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(WCPO Cincinnati)   Indiana church wants high school to have a 'traditional prom' & ban gays & lesbians. Special Ed teacher contributes to the rational discussion by declaring that "Gays have no purpose in life" & then pretty much compares them to her special needs kids   (wcpo.com) divider line 93
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2013-02-11 08:53:24 PM
24 votes:
That woman illustrates the difference between mentally handicapped and retarded.
Her kids are mentally handicapped.
She's retarded.
2013-02-11 09:08:38 PM
7 votes:
We need to stop letting people cloak their ignorance and bigotry in the word "traditional."

Like "patriot," when you hear it, you know that there's going to be a whole heap of stupid coming.
2013-02-12 08:06:21 AM
6 votes:

xria: The thing is, even if you accept it as a sin, there is no evidence that it is one of the important ones, certainly compared to things that are hammered on about for most of the new testament like helping the poor and needy, and loving thy neighbor (which Jesus basically explains means everyone else, rather than everyone like you).


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2013-02-12 06:35:12 AM
5 votes:
Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?
2013-02-11 08:25:21 PM
5 votes:
"We want to make the public see that we love the homosexuals, but we don't think it's right nor should it be accepted," a student told WTWO.

"You're very existence is wrong and we do not accept who you are.  But we love you!♥!♥!♥!♥!!"

Only a person blinded by religion could find sense in this.
2013-02-12 08:42:08 AM
4 votes:

Bullseyed: If you believe in evolution, then gays have no purpose in life.


If you believe evolution has a purpose, then you don't understand evolution very well.
2013-02-12 07:16:59 AM
3 votes:
I find it particularly distressing that this woman is involved in special education.

To start with, she has no place educating children.  And then I find myself wondering what sort of patronising schtick she regards her students with.
2013-02-12 06:56:10 AM
3 votes:

miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?


www.bbc.co.uk

Because it's easier to loathe someone else than to loathe yourself.
2013-02-11 11:47:20 PM
3 votes:

Dallymo: "Gays have no purpose in life"

Well, they make you feel pretty superior...you'd probably have a pretty tough time with that if they weren't around.

Dipshiat.


Egocentric.  The woman says God puts people in her life for a purpose.  I've no doubt the purpose  is to help her qualify for Heaven. The special ed kids serve her purpose. Gays do not. Other people's purposes don't matter.  It's all about her.
2013-02-11 11:15:46 PM
3 votes:
"Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back. We're not running anymore," Bill Phegley, with Carlisle Church, told WTWO.

Because if there's one thing the god of peace and love wanted, it was his followers to beat peace and harmony into people's skulls at with a warhammer.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!  SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

Jesus cares not from whence the blood flows, he cares only that it should flow.  Know too that there is a place for YOUR skull at the foot of his throne of brass.
2013-02-11 10:01:17 PM
3 votes:
"Gays have no purpose in life"

Well, they make you feel pretty superior...you'd probably have a pretty tough time with that if they weren't around.

Dipshiat.
2013-02-11 08:54:46 PM
3 votes:
This is my home county. I moved away from there. Wonder why?

This is so embarrassing and pathetic.

it's bad enough being gay in that county without having your teachers come out against you in the media.
2013-02-11 08:53:46 PM
3 votes:
This teacher puts the "special" in special education.  She is extremely special.  She went full special.

/Never go full special
2013-02-11 08:32:41 PM
3 votes:
Of all the F'd up things you (America, collective) do, this, above all else, is why you can't have nice things.

/and the special ed teacher needs to be forced to find a new line of work more in keeping with her opinions and apparent lack of ability... I just can't think of anything that skill set is actually suited to...
2013-02-12 08:13:50 AM
2 votes:

ArkAngel: Lionel Mandrake: "We want to make the public see that we love the homosexuals, but we don't think it's right nor should it be accepted," a student told WTWO.

"You're very existence is wrong and we do not accept who you are.  But we love you!♥!♥!♥!♥!!"

Only a person blinded by religion could find sense in this.

It depends on how you act towards them. I happen to have several very good friends who are LGBTQwhateverletterstheykeepaddingontothis. They know I'm a Christian and think it's a sin, but I don't mention it, don't treat them any different, and don't reject them in any way. Of the people in my current Pathfinder game, only one other person besides me isn't on the acronym list.


It's amazing how willful sinfulness can do amazing things like change the physical structure of the brain.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14146-gay-brains-structured-li ke -those-of-the-opposite-sex.html
2013-02-12 08:03:00 AM
2 votes:
And why is it that we consistently discount anything that comes out of "Flyover Territory?"

Because when you open your mouths you say something so incredibly ignorant and stupid it begs the question as to whether you should be allowed the weighty responsibility of telling the host at Chili's how many are in your party.
2013-02-12 08:01:16 AM
2 votes:

Sass-O-Rev: miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?

Amen. I have been trying to figure that out for years, and can't believe the level of derp that surrounds the issue. I have lost parishioners by saying from the pulpit that the very human writers of the Bible got that wrong, and being gay is not a sin.

/tilting at windmills.


The thing is, even if you accept it as a sin, there is no evidence that it is one of the important ones, certainly compared to things that are hammered on about for most of the new testament like helping the poor and needy, and loving thy neighbor (which Jesus basically explains means everyone else, rather than everyone like you). Of course paying attention to the actually core messages of Christ would be difficult when your basic policies are that the best way to help poor people is to take all their stuff to motivate them to not be poor, and that everyone not like you will burn in hell and deserves hate and scorn poured upon them.

If you believed in the anti-christ, it would be hard not to see right wing evangelicals as the ultimate incarnation given how they manage to claim to be Christian while being almost diametrically opposed to his positions on everything.
2013-02-12 07:58:28 AM
2 votes:
I met a fellow about a month and a half ago. Biblical literalist. Say's there is a prophecy involving David and the planet Mercury and a bunch of other weird stuff. Got on the subject of gays. He pointed me to Matthew 19:12 "For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." His interpretation? This referred to gays, and he took the last sentence to mean they will be accepted into heaven, and we should accept them too. Not hate and "tolerate", but full blown accept.

Again, a BIBLICAL LITERALIST (and self described evangelist apologist) who reads this and says God was cool with gays. Nice guy. Not dangerous kooky with regard to the prophecy stuff, he seemed well intentioned.  Seemed like one of a kind though...
2013-02-12 07:39:26 AM
2 votes:
As a Christian who works with young people, I want to give that church a good swift kick in the nards. I live in the Maryland/DC area, so we're pushing the envelope as it were in getting churches on board with tolerance towards the LGBT community.

It saddens me when my friends and family don't get how important this is.
2013-02-12 07:24:18 AM
2 votes:
As I recall, prom was a place to hang for an hour, maybe two then take your respective date somewhere much more fun and comfortable.  There were even carpools to get people back to the school if they had a curfew or their parents were picking them up.  No one actually stayed for the prom.  What I'm saying is, that whole step is expendable.
2013-02-12 07:12:45 AM
2 votes:
These people are farked in the head...

We had a couple of gay couples and one trans-gendered student, who attended the prom alone, at my Senior Prom and no one batted an eye... And this was back in farking 1989.
2013-02-12 07:09:27 AM
2 votes:
ah, another case where the faithful completely ignore what their savior says and treat their religion like it's a buffet and we're supposed to respect whatever they put on their plates as excuses for their behavior.
2013-02-12 07:05:02 AM
2 votes:
The difference being that if you left a group of homosexuals in the wilderness they'd eventually know how to get back to civilization. Your average high school paste eater would perish and improve society.
2013-02-12 04:58:20 AM
2 votes:
BTW the federal courts ruled that you can't exclude gay students from prom way back in 1980. So trying to pull any shenanigans is going to make a federal judge very ill tempered.
2013-02-11 11:20:38 PM
2 votes:

Majick Thise: My kids will not be going to a discriminatory Prom. ALL the students should be allowed to go.


Well, they are all allowed to go to the official prom.

"That's not your business to question whether or not two girls can go to the prom together," Sullivan High School Principal David Springer said.

"It was or is a tradition here in the past that a boy and a girl always walked out to Grand March but it's never been questioned whether or not two girls can walk out and it's questioned this year and we said of course you can walk out," Principal Springer said.

I think there will be an opening for a special ed teacher at that school soon.
2013-02-11 11:19:31 PM
2 votes:

Weaver95: Because if there's one thing the god of peace and love wanted, it was his followers to beat peace and harmony into people's skulls at with a warhammer.


These people believe that it's every other religion that is robbing them of peace. So if they can just get rid of the other religion, they can have peace.
2013-02-11 10:08:59 PM
2 votes:
FTA: "There's no way to stop the haters at Sullivan High School from holding an independent prom for the special bigoted kids," he wrote. "But here's what we can do: we can make a noise so loud enough that all the queer kids at Sullivan High School hear it. Those kids need to know that there are people -- a lot of people -- who think this (expletive) is wrong."

Well, the first sentence sums up the real issue. Those who hate gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgenders are going to hold a private party someplace because they hate anyone that's different. Their churches, parents and friends support and enable their hatred.

/I am SO embarrassed by some Christians.
//I am SO happy I'm Episcopalian and that we accept GLBTs as Jesus' children too.
2013-02-11 09:46:53 PM
2 votes:
I think if I was a young woman going to a prom, I would want my date to be a homosexual.

He most likely not ruin my life by getting me teen pregnant.
2013-02-11 09:40:28 PM
2 votes:
Someone with so little compassion shouldn't be allowed to teach special needs children who may not be able to report abuse. I bet she duct tapes their mouths shut.
2013-02-11 08:59:50 PM
2 votes:
If there was any sense in the world, that teacher would be banned from their job.  They clearly aren't fit to interact with children.
2013-02-11 08:50:55 PM
2 votes:

brap: We had a traditional prom.  And as tradition dictates, everyone that hadn't already figured shiate out came out of closet when they felt comfortable with doing so.


A thousand years ago at my prom two guys came out after a few too many hits of the punch...  EVERYONE was "Yea and?" The drama queen got all whiny... The other guy went home with a new friend.  Actually three guys came out that night, anyway, they are still together 28 years later.
2013-02-11 08:41:02 PM
2 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: I wonder how many gay students there are in that pissant town of less than 5,000 people.


As of 2007, the school has an enrollment of approximately 600 students

If you go by the various "estimates" of gays in society in general, you are looking at 30-60.

In a town like that, my guess is you can count the number that are actually "out" on your hand.
2013-02-12 09:49:15 AM
1 votes:
"Gays have no purpose in life"  upload.wikimedia.org

Well, apparently other than defeating the Nazis and saving thousands if not millions of lives, but don't let facts stand in the way of your ideological ranting, ma'am.
(Pic- Alan Turing)
2013-02-12 09:45:03 AM
1 votes:

Point02GPA: SkunkWerks: Point02GPA: SkunkWerks: Point02GPA: "shoulder roll"

"halter top"

"assed chaps"

"bushy mustache"

"lip gloss"


"monk's crown"
2013-02-12 09:32:20 AM
1 votes:

miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?


I believe there exists a core group of self-loathing repressed gays in Christianity. They focus their conflict externally to avoid facing their true nature. This is seen as pious and devout and which leads more church members to follow their lead. They seem SO sure that teh gheys are evil that their confidence inspires followers.

The self-loathers then receive positive attention for their efforts and double down. A positive feedback loop is formed. Soon you have "good christian folks" taking their hate and disguising it as "tough love".
2013-02-12 09:24:22 AM
1 votes:
Hey churchies, why don't you keep yourselves busy with your  church instead of making demands for the local high school to conform to what your church wants?  This is why everyone treats you like a pack of busy bodies with nothing productive to do.
2013-02-12 09:20:19 AM
1 votes:

ristst: I would like to point out that Indiana is NOT a southern state.

Nice to see someone else get derpy for a change.


Yeah, but it is pretty southern in mentality.  Southern Indiana had a lot of volunteers for the Confederacy during the Civil War, and it was also a huge center for the rise of the modern KKK.

I live in Louisville, on the IN/KY border, and a few years ago I went to play paint ball in southern Indiana, and they had posted a large Confederate flag with "The South Will Rise Again" on it.  The irony was tough to get out of my head the rest of the day.
2013-02-12 09:01:59 AM
1 votes:

Point02GPA: The Envoy: Point02GPA: The Envoy: What's with having to identify themselves?  LGBT?  Here's an idea: let's call everybody "people" and stop fixating on what they do with their private parts.

That works well until you get into the "restroom" thingee.

Interesting that you immediately think of restrooms when we're talking about sex and sexual orientation which have nothing to do with going to the toilet.  I understand that it's a fetish for some but it's not what I'm talking about.


I beg your pardon...you mentioned sex in a restroom, not me. I responded to "what they do with their private

 parts".


Interesting that you are now thinking about "sex in restrooms" when I made no such connection beyond noting that you think about restrooms when the subject of sex, sexual orientation and private parts is the topic under discussion.  I was talking explicitly about sexual orientation and how we should just call people "people", regardless of how they utilise their private parts and with whom.  Your response was to imply that this would somehow cause a problem when it comes to people going to the toilet when the two are separate - except, apparently, in your mind.
2013-02-12 08:54:28 AM
1 votes:

Point02GPA: I responded to "what they do with their private

parts".


...in the "restroom thingee"

Like I said, unless they've got completely different ways of relieving themselves, I'm fairly sure gay folk use their privates in restroom thingees exactly the same way we do.

So why does "not worrying about what people do with their privates" stop working out well once you've gone to the loo?
2013-02-12 08:44:10 AM
1 votes:

I drunk what: miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?

because christians are retarded and are a burden on any society, they should be removed like a cancer

they are just jealous because they don't have traditional gender roles like we do, and i know how this stuff really gets your motor running, :D lulz


i50.tinypic.com
2013-02-12 08:43:42 AM
1 votes:

Recoil Therapy: This country was founded (according to the history beat into everyone's head in school) by Puritans & they've had a death grip on policy ever since....


Yeah about that. The Puritans weren't who they're often portrayed as. If you want back to the Pilgrims and those who came right after you'd have found people who loved their beer, loved to sing and yeah they liked their dancing. The anti-fun brigade didn't come til later. It was in part the work of men like Jonathan Edwards and others who lead the Great Revival. They, as many since, portrayed the present as spoiled and those who came before as the ideal. Keep in mind in the Massachusetts Bay Colony you could find tons of premarital sex and no one cared. If a woman got pregnant as long as she was married before she gave birth the child was not considered a bastard and there was no social stigma to her pregnancy. And this is how it had been for a while, certainly well before Edwards showed up. Of course then you flash forward to the 1800s and you get another revival, which again declares those who came in the past as morally superior. Along the way you get this stuff being written into folk lore and what's called common wisdom. Thing is, if you'd have walked up to someone in Plymouth in 1640 and railed against alcohol, they'd have thought you were touched in the head. The evils of dancing? Hope you enjoy your social ostracism. And as for the founding fathers, they loved their booze, their dancing and teh sexing. Hell Benjamin Franklin belonged to a sex club, and this wasn't exactly a secret.
2013-02-12 08:41:46 AM
1 votes:

Point02GPA: The Envoy: What's with having to identify themselves?  LGBT?  Here's an idea: let's call everybody "people" and stop fixating on what they do with their private parts.

That works well until you get into the "restroom" thingee.


Interesting that you immediately think of restrooms when we're talking about sex and sexual orientation which have nothing to do with going to the toilet.  I understand that it's a fetish for some but it's not what I'm talking about.
2013-02-12 08:31:43 AM
1 votes:

Sass-O-Rev: miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?

Amen. I have been trying to figure that out for years, and can't believe the level of derp that surrounds the issue. I have lost parishioners by saying from the pulpit that the very human writers of the Bible got that wrong, and being gay is not a sin.

/tilting at windmills.


I would argue that the concept of "being gay" didn't really exist when the Bible was written. The Bible, particularly the Old Testament, doesn't address orientation, but behavior. Christians love to cite that ONE verse from Leviticus, but they forget about all the other verses in that chapter that talk about the same-sex behaviors that are also frowned upon. The main message of Leviticus 18 is not "gays are bad" it's "Hey men, stop screwing anything that moves and be faithful to your wives!" It gets pretty specific about not sleeping with one's mother in law, daughter in law, sister in law, or any other female you encounter. It makes sense, because that kind of behavior would destroy a community and ones marriage. The verse about same-sex relations is put at the end, meant to close a loophole by saying that sleeping with other dudes also counts as cheating.

Many of the other same-sex versus seem to be about NAMBLA type relationships that were common back then, or were again meant to counter the "it's not adultary if it's another dude" argument. Again, it wasn't targeting orientation, because that was an alien concept. Instead, it was against promiscuity and in favor of monogamy.

The way I see it, according to the Bible, being gay is no more or less sinful than being straight. It's not orientation that's the issue, but behavior.

So that could be an additional argument you could make, that these verses encourage monogamy, and in this day and age, whether gay or straight, monogamy is still a good thing. This is why I, as a Christian, am in favor of gay marriage. I like monogamy. Monogamy builds and sustains communities, and when you look at these versus from the perspective of preserving monogamy, they stop being hateful and are no longer tools used to bludgeon gays.
2013-02-12 08:26:10 AM
1 votes:

AdolfOliverPanties: "Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back."

Why is it the asshole Christians who most often make comments that sound so, well, gay?


It's a reference to Paul's metaphor about the Armor of God. In sermons about the Armor of God, it's very common for pastors to claim that there's no armor on there covering your back, because God never wants you to retreat. I'm not really sure about that, because that would require a study of the cultural context of the word Paul used for "breastplate," and we can't have textual criticism in church...

(It may actually refer to a bare-bones breastplate, for all I know. It may also be that Paul wasn't trying to make the metaphor that deep.)

miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?


Well, in the 2-3 places in the New Testament where it is mentioned (sort of,) it's called either a shameful symptom of human nature, or a sin on par with murder. But anyway, my understanding is that homosexuality is the designated whipping boy for Christians (yes, giggity) because if they stopped getting outraged about homosexuality, they might start having to preach sermons on the passages that talk about charity, economic justice, and self-sacrifice, and that's a tougher sell.

(Although, I have met Christians who embrace charity, economic justice, self-sacrifice, and outraged homophobia simultaneously, so it is possible.)
2013-02-12 08:25:12 AM
1 votes:
What's with having to identify themselves?  LGBT?  Here's an idea: let's call everybody "people" and stop fixating on what they do with their private parts.
2013-02-12 08:23:58 AM
1 votes:

Lionel Mandrake: "We want to make the public see that we love the homosexuals, but we don't think it's right nor should it be accepted," a student told WTWO.

"You're very existence is wrong and we do not accept who you are.  But we love you!♥!♥!♥!♥!!"

Only a person blinded by religion could find sense in this.



I'm very devout...and that whole statement makes no goddamn sense to me.
2013-02-12 08:15:26 AM
1 votes:
There's a reason why Sullivan County's population has been steadily dropping for the past century.

Well, several I'm sure, but I can't imagine this is helping.
2013-02-12 08:11:45 AM
1 votes:

SilentStrider: "Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back."

Wait. Are we talking about Christians, or Sontarans? Or are they the same.
If so, can we whack Christians in the back of the neck to disable them?


Nope. Sontarans work with married lesbian couples.
2013-02-12 08:10:02 AM
1 votes:

SkunkWerks: zombat: I stopped reading articles like this, because of this one

http://jezebel.com/5975192/get-out-of-my-gay-bar-straight-girl

So, you stopped reading because of Jezebel, eh?  Not built for endurance, are you?


I can't help but agree with that article.
2013-02-12 08:09:45 AM
1 votes:
Huh, the special ed teacher is from the same area, and has the same last name, as my wife's side of the family. These kooks might be my in-laws... damn I'm going to have to make some calls today.
2013-02-12 08:05:59 AM
1 votes:

dletter: As of 2007, the school has an enrollment of approximately 600 students

If you go by the various "estimates" of gays in society in general, you are looking at 30-60.


The classic 10% number was later found to be erroneously high due to sampling errors and in any case includes bisexuals, at least some of whom could be expected to be dating someone of the opposite gender at any given time, and thus would not likely be recognized as "gay" by any busybodies keeping track at the prom.
2013-02-12 08:05:47 AM
1 votes:
Seems like this is just one group of asshole church fundies (plus the special ed lady) doing this while the school itself is being supportive and inclusive of everyone being welcome at the official prom.

For what it's worth, I knew several people from Sullivan in college and their response to this on Facebook has been a collective facepalm and "Not this shiat again."
2013-02-12 08:05:28 AM
1 votes:

NarrMaster: Again, a BIBLICAL LITERALIST


He didn't walk into a bar at any point in this story.  I am disappoint.

And also I lack shock that the bible can be "literally" interpreted in a plethora of different ways.  For one thing, not a lot of folk of that stripe seem to have a good grasp on what the term "literal" really means as an adjective..

4206e9.medialib.glogster.com
2013-02-12 08:03:56 AM
1 votes:
Some parents, students and clergy in an eastern Indiana city want a separate high school prom banning gay and lesbian students.

So go have one. I'm sure the local hotel would love to have your money.

Oh. That's not what you really want. You mean you want the community's tax dollars to be used to press your personal agenda.

Go eat a hot iron, farkwits.
2013-02-12 08:00:51 AM
1 votes:

RobSeace: HindiDiscoMonster: the biblical truth on the issue...

I've said it before, and I'll probably say it again, but I love that website... I'm a staunch atheist, but it makes me happy that at least some self-identified Christians are actually paying attention to what Christ actually said and did... If more of them did that, the world would be a whole lot better place!


agreed.... it's all about context... and most don't give a shiat and cherry pick.
2013-02-12 07:56:26 AM
1 votes:

macadamnut: ArkAngel: They know I'm a Christian and think it's a sin, but I don't mention it, don't treat them any different, and don't reject them in any way.

Well, except for thinking they live in sin and lying to them about it, yeah. Not disingenuous at all.


Who cares? He thinks they're sinners but doesn't treat them badly. Christianity says everyone's a sinner and don't judge. This guy's doing it right.

/not Christian
2013-02-12 07:55:06 AM
1 votes:

Sass-O-Rev: I have lost parishioners by saying from the pulpit that the very human writers of the Bible got that wrong, and being gay is not a sin.


It's not even so much that they were necessarily wrong, but rather they were talking about something else entirely... To steal HDM's link from earlier: both Leviticus and Romans, the two most commonly cited "anti-gay" passages, are actually talking about cultic idol worship, and not condemning all homosexual relations outside of those practices...
2013-02-12 07:53:48 AM
1 votes:
Fluorescent Testicle: FTFA: When asked if she thinks gays have a purpose in life, Medley said, "No I honestly don't. Sorry, but I don't. I don't understand it."

Ok, what's so hard to understand? Instead of being attracted to the opposite sex, they're attracted to the same. How is this such a hard concept to grasp?
2013-02-12 07:51:05 AM
1 votes:

ArkAngel: They know I'm a Christian and think it's a sin, but I don't mention it, don't treat them any different, and don't reject them in any way.


Well, except for thinking they live in sin and lying to them about it, yeah. Not disingenuous at all.
2013-02-12 07:44:54 AM
1 votes:
FTFA: When asked if she thinks gays have a purpose in life, Medley said, "No I honestly don't. Sorry, but I don't. I don't understand it."

wiki.kgpi.ruestergoldberg.typepad.com

udziewczyn.pllh6.googleusercontent.com

res.ent.ifeng.comext.pimg.tw

/What people with no purpose in life might look like.
2013-02-12 07:40:18 AM
1 votes:

miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?


I think there's two main reasons:
First, there's the closet cases who are in denial about their own attractions, and rage in self-delusion.
Second and more commonly, people like to see the flaws in others rather than examine their own. Fretting about greed and envy and the like? Uhh, let's hate on other people instead.
2013-02-12 07:39:43 AM
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miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?


Amen. I have been trying to figure that out for years, and can't believe the level of derp that surrounds the issue. I have lost parishioners by saying from the pulpit that the very human writers of the Bible got that wrong, and being gay is not a sin.

/tilting at windmills.
2013-02-12 07:25:44 AM
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miss diminutive: PreMortem: miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?

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Because it's easier to loathe someone else than to loathe yourself.

I'm sure a small percentage of Christians who are against gays are gay themselves and are trapped in some kind of cycle of self loathing, but that doesn't explain the vast majority of them who honestly believe that being gay is some kind of abomination because their contradictory and ludicrously outdated holy book mentions it a few times.

If they're going by Old Testament standards why aren't they for polygamy and stoning thieves and adulterers?


This country was founded (according to the history beat into everyone's head in school) by Puritans & they've had a death grip on policy ever since....

I think that both you & PreMortem are hitting on it.  A lot of it probably has to do with generations of people being told over & over again that "good people just don't do that" by..... church leaders.  Up until very recently being a pastor, preacher, etc was one of the few socially acceptable ways for a man to remain unmarried for life & thus tended to attract both the people who did actually have a calling but also homosexuals (of course I'm painting in VERY wide brushes here but more to make a point than to debate details) who could then hide not wanting to be with a woman.  Recently (past couple of decades) it has become much more socially acceptable to 'come out' & live your life in the open.  In the same time frame there has also been a SIGNIFICANT reduction in the number of young men wanting to enter the priesthood/church.  Now it may not be 1+1=2 straight line reasoning but I feel that it is a large part of why the church ('church' as in all religions of different flavors that don't allow their priests to marry) has had such a hard time recently recruiting the next generation of priests - they don't have to go there to live a 'normal' life any longer.

/sorry for the disjointed thoughts
//hard to distill a complex issue down to a few pithy points
///especially when the coffee is brewing behind me & not IN me....
2013-02-12 07:22:04 AM
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xanadian: HindiDiscoMonster: I actually met one person who didn't like BBQ... only one.

Damn hippie vegans.  See, if we're gonna hate on anybody, it should be THESE "people."

:/


something we can all agree on... oh and bbq porn time...

cullmanbbqchallenge.com
2013-02-12 07:21:09 AM
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Vangor: Oh, and who asks a question such as "Do gays have a purpose in life?"


People who believe the only valid purpose in life is to squirt out babies.

Because "traditional" parents just love it when Karen comes home from the prom teen-pregnant.
2013-02-12 07:19:59 AM
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SkunkWerks: And then I find myself wondering what sort of patronising schtick she regards her students with.


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"I love those little retards!"
2013-02-12 07:18:57 AM
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WorldCitizen: Well, and Bloomington (home of Indiana University) where I live which is a very blue, liberal, over educated enclave in southern Indiana.


And it has a pretty respectable LGBT community. I recall seeing an article recently about the mayor of Bloomington officiating same-sex marriages at the end of last month contrary to IN state law. I was tempted to swing by and check out the inevitable protests/counter-protests.
2013-02-12 07:18:45 AM
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<i>A group of supporters met Sunday at the Sullivan First Christian Church, in Sullivan County, to plan a separate "traditional prom" for Sullivan High School students that would prohibit gays from attending,WTWO reported .</i>

And now any effort for this to appear school sanctioned will allow a court to quickly dismember this event based on obvious discriminatory intent and religious motivation.

Oh, and who asks a question such as "Do gays have a purpose in life?" Never heard such an argument about homosexuality and purpose... not sure why this would occur to anyone to ask and to anyone to answer in the negative.
2013-02-12 07:15:51 AM
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FTFA: We want to make the public see that we love the homosexuals

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

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2013-02-12 07:15:29 AM
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The happy ending to this story would be of NONE of the kids go to this "traditional" prom and instead show these upright assholes their indignation by holding an all-inclusive rave at the local lake.

Somehow, I think the ending is going to involve lawsuits and such.
2013-02-12 07:07:56 AM
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BarkingUnicorn: ArkAngel: I happen to have several very good friends who are LGBTQwhateverletterstheykeepaddingontothis.

That is getting rather tedious and cumbersome.  LGTBTQIA is the latest version, I think.  And it doesn't even spell a word.  I wish they would just go with "OTHER" "MISC" to keep things simple and clear.


QUILTBAG. Queer, Uncertain, Intergender, Lesbian, Transgender, Bisexual, Asexual, Gay. (I think I got the definition of the acronym right)

Also, have these kids not heard of what happened to that school in Mississippi that tried to have a "no homos allowed" prom?
2013-02-12 07:07:28 AM
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PreMortem: miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?


Because it's easier to loathe someone else than to loathe yourself.


Bingo.  They see it (and are terrified of it) in themselves & they assume that everyone MUST be like them (same feelings, same thoughts, etc) so if they don't like the way it makes them feel everyone else must feel the same.  It's stupid really but sadly enters into far too many areas of life with far too many different types of people (same disease, different symptoms)
2013-02-12 07:05:41 AM
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PreMortem: miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?

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Because it's easier to loathe someone else than to loathe yourself.


I'm sure a small percentage of Christians who are against gays are gay themselves and are trapped in some kind of cycle of self loathing, but that doesn't explain the vast majority of them who honestly believe that being gay is some kind of abomination because their contradictory and ludicrously outdated holy book mentions it a few times.

If they're going by Old Testament standards why aren't they for polygamy and stoning thieves and adulterers?
2013-02-12 05:21:43 AM
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WorldCitizen: dugitman: bronyaur1: ... in related news, Indiana is a redneck shiathole.

It has its spots for sure, but the under 40 people arent generally as ignorant as the assholes in TFA. To the subject of TFA-- downtown Indy has a very large and very active gay community that takes in a lot of these kids who are sorta cultural refugees from the smaller rural areas. My high school (actually in Eastern IN) was 120 square miles and I graduated with 92 in 85'. There wasnt one person out then and there, but I've seen 5 or so classmates in the Mass Ave district through the years. Also, our valedictorian is a married lesbian with a PhD living in northern CA.

Well, and Bloomington (home of Indiana University) where I live which is a very blue, liberal, over educated enclave in southern Indiana.


Only when compared to the rest of Indiana.
2013-02-12 01:16:10 AM
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To be fair, anybody who thinks they do have a purpose in life is full of shiat.  You're not as special as you think, snowflake.
2013-02-12 12:43:19 AM
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If the group is already meeting at a church to plan a separate prom--why not have their own prom at the church? The people who want that one can go to that one and the public one will be open for all registered students and their dates. I don't see why this has to be some Hugh Jass deal. But you sure can't tell a kid in a public taxpayer-supported high school s/he's not allowed to attend his or her own high school prom.
2013-02-12 12:28:53 AM
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BarkingUnicorn: ArkAngel: I happen to have several very good friends who are LGBTQwhateverletterstheykeepaddingontothis.

That is getting rather tedious and cumbersome.  LGTBTQIA is the latest version, I think.  And it doesn't even spell a word.  I wish they would just go with "OTHER" "MISC" to keep things simple and clear.


I say it should be LGTBBQ, because everyone loves a good BBQ.
2013-02-11 10:57:47 PM
1 votes:
"Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back."

Wait. Are we talking about Christians, or Sontarans? Or are they the same.
If so, can we whack Christians in the back of the neck to disable them?
2013-02-11 10:49:31 PM
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I met a teenager from Indiana on AOL once. He was a nice kid. He was pretending he was a girl, but whatever, I could see past that.

Kept talking about moving away from that place. He also said I had a "cool" voice. Last I talked to him, I wrote to him on AIM and somebody wrote, "Who is this?" I already forgot what I wrote back, but I've never contacted that screen name again. And trust me, I really tried to remember how I worded it. It was something like, "Somebody who enjoys talking to whoever uses this screen name."
2013-02-11 10:39:47 PM
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GAT_00: I should start a clothing company and market assed chaps.

There are many good companies that already make pants. You should market frontless shirts.
2013-02-11 10:35:04 PM
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WorldCitizen: Well, and Bloomington (home of Indiana University) where I live which is a very blue, liberal, over educated enclave in southern Indiana.


Yep. Southern Indiana is a weird one. You have Bloomington and rural artsy pockets just north (Nashville, Bean Blossom) surrounded by a whole lot of ... well... hillfolk.
2013-02-11 10:20:42 PM
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bronyaur1: ... in related news, Indiana is a redneck shiathole.


It has its spots for sure, but the under 40 people arent generally as ignorant as the assholes in TFA. To the subject of TFA-- downtown Indy has a very large and very active gay community that takes in a lot of these kids who are sorta cultural refugees from the smaller rural areas. My high school (actually in Eastern IN) was 120 square miles and I graduated with 92 in 85'. There wasnt one person out then and there, but I've seen 5 or so classmates in the Mass Ave district through the years. Also, our valedictorian is a married lesbian with a PhD living in northern CA.
2013-02-11 10:19:01 PM
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bronyaur1: ... in related news, Indiana is a redneck shiathole.


I've heard "Alabama of the Midwest", but I think that is doing a disservice to Alabama.


/still no liquor stores open on Sunday
//hopes this ignorant biatch loses her job
2013-02-11 10:05:32 PM
1 votes:
... in related news, Indiana is a redneck shiathole.
2013-02-11 09:50:26 PM
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Vodka Zombie: Amos Quito: Vodka Zombie: We need to stop letting people cloak their ignorance and bigotry in the word "traditional."


How might we do that?

I don't really know. Eventually, they will realize that traditional is synonymous with hatred and bigotry.



I look forward to the day when we all look back and laugh at the days when the use of the word "traditional" was customary.


/Trendy
2013-02-11 09:40:20 PM
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Sgt Otter: dahmers love zombie: "Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back. We're not running anymore," Bill Phegley, with Carlisle Church, told WTWO.
Giggity.

So...assless chaps?

/Yes, I know it's redundant.


I should start a clothing company and market assed chaps.
2013-02-11 09:18:39 PM
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I, for one, am glad that times and attitudes are changing.

Not as fast as I'd like to see them change, mind you, but we have come a L-O-N-G way as a society compared to when I was in high school.


/Old fart
2013-02-11 09:15:19 PM
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Vodka Zombie: We need to stop letting people cloak their ignorance and bigotry in the word "traditional."

They should advocate a separate yet equal prom for the negroes. You know, traditional.
2013-02-11 09:03:44 PM
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BarkingUnicorn: I wonder how many gay students there are in that pissant town of less than 5,000 people.


Statistically, there should be about 250 homosexuals in a town that size based on the fairly standard 5%, and age bracketing, for high school age, there should be about 12 in high school at any given time...  I'm not sure I knew 12 in my high school, and IT was about a third the population of this town...
2013-02-11 09:01:59 PM
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My son might wear a dress to such a prom. He's straight, but outspoken.

We live in Middle of Nowhere, Texas. Oddly enough, our high school is very accepting.
2013-02-11 09:00:27 PM
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"Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back. We're not running anymore," Bill Phegley, with Carlisle Church, told WTWO.
Giggity.
2013-02-11 08:56:37 PM
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My kids will not be going to a discriminatory Prom. ALL the students should be allowed to go.
2013-02-11 08:56:33 PM
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There is a petition out against her, by the way, at Change.org.
 
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