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(WCPO Cincinnati)   Indiana church wants high school to have a 'traditional prom' & ban gays & lesbians. Special Ed teacher contributes to the rational discussion by declaring that "Gays have no purpose in life" & then pretty much compares them to her special needs kids   (wcpo.com) divider line 377
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2013-02-12 08:52:04 AM
Are they going to go entirely traditional, and ban blacks as well?  Racial integration was a break from "tradition" in Indiana in 1949.  And the argument they are using to ban gays is a carbon-copy of the one they used pre-1949 to ban blacks.
 
2013-02-12 08:52:51 AM

Somacandra: Earpj: My son might wear a dress to such a prom. He's straight, but outspoken.

Cool. Also, chicks in tuxes are HOT.


Guy and gal both dressed like guys is a nono, however. Anything goes but that.
 
2013-02-12 08:52:56 AM

Thunderpipes: Opinions are evil, and only the left should be allowed to have them.


ThunderDerp strikes again!
 
2013-02-12 08:54:28 AM
Christian groups minister to people in prison all the time. They know the inmates have committed crimes but they still care about their welfare, without accepting or condoning the crimes they committed.
They don't agree with their lifestyle but they love them anyway. These are good Christian values. And yet still people have a problem
 
2013-02-12 08:54:28 AM

Point02GPA: I responded to "what they do with their private

parts".


...in the "restroom thingee"

Like I said, unless they've got completely different ways of relieving themselves, I'm fairly sure gay folk use their privates in restroom thingees exactly the same way we do.

So why does "not worrying about what people do with their privates" stop working out well once you've gone to the loo?
 
2013-02-12 08:56:14 AM

doubled99: Christian groups minister to people in prison all the time. They know the inmates have committed crimes but they still care about their welfare, without accepting or condoning the crimes they committed.
They don't agree with their lifestyle but they love them anyway. These are good Christian values. And yet still people have a problem


Moral of this story: Gay People = Convicted Criminals.

You're right.  No idea why people might take issue with that at all.
 
2013-02-12 08:56:33 AM
I was not allowed to take my much-older boyfriend to the prom, so I didn't go. Came out as gay 11 years later.
 
2013-02-12 08:56:56 AM
They're banning those smelly Muslims too, aren't they?

and, I'd give serious consideration on whether or not they want to associate with Hindus, Buddhists, or those holier-than-thou Jews.
 
2013-02-12 08:56:57 AM

SkunkWerks: Point02GPA: I responded to "what they do with their private

parts".

...in the "restroom thingee"

Like I said, unless they've got completely different ways of relieving themselves, I'm fairly sure gay folk use their privates in restroom thingees exactly the same way we do.

So why does "not worrying about what people do with their privates" stop working out well once you've gone to the loo?


Gay men use the womens loo?
 
2013-02-12 08:58:05 AM

Point02GPA: Gay men use the womens loo?


*blink*
 
2013-02-12 08:59:23 AM

doubled99: Christian groups minister to people in prison all the time. They know the inmates have committed crimes but they still care about their welfare, without accepting or condoning the crimes they committed.
They don't agree with their lifestyle but they love them anyway. These are good Christian values. And yet still people have a problem


I don't think anyone has a problem with groups of people who actually do their best to live up to the values Jesus Christ expected from his followers.  do unto others as you would have them do unto you.  love thy neighbor.  feed the hungry.  heal the sick.  all good stuff, nobody has any problem with people who go out and try to do that each and ever day.

the problem is when you run into people who decide to lump in the old testament with the new.  then you've got problems.  Christ himself said the old testament was done and over with.  if you wanted to be his follower, you had to put the old testament away and only follow the new book(s) written by and/or christ approved.  Evangelicals tho...they really REALLY like that old time religion.
 
2013-02-12 08:59:25 AM

Earpj: My son might wear a dress to such a prom. He's straight, but outspoken.

We live in Middle of Nowhere, Texas. Oddly enough, our high school is very accepting.


My male friend wore a dress to our prom about 17 years ago. Nobody cared.
 
2013-02-12 08:59:42 AM

Thunderpipes: Opinions are evil, and only the left should be allowed to have them.

I disagree with them, but still, who really cares?


Look at how stupid this stupid guy is.
 
2013-02-12 08:59:56 AM

SkunkWerks: Point02GPA: Gay men use the womens loo?

*blink*


Wink!
 
2013-02-12 09:00:20 AM

NOLA_farkette: *sigh*
Farking Indiana.
This is why you are the Mississippi of the north.


Again, you all are making the classic "Star Trek Convention" mistake. Local media covers nerd convention, shows the only 300 lb kid wearing Spock ears and working communicator pin.

Just because the one you see making an ass of themselves on TV is X, does *not* mean all of 'em are.

\assholes are equal opportunity, and thanks to open state borders are now *everywhere*
\\ I still want to know WTH happened to Indiana lately
\\\If you're in Louisiana, you *might not* want to throw all those stones
 
2013-02-12 09:01:59 AM

Point02GPA: The Envoy: Point02GPA: The Envoy: What's with having to identify themselves?  LGBT?  Here's an idea: let's call everybody "people" and stop fixating on what they do with their private parts.

That works well until you get into the "restroom" thingee.

Interesting that you immediately think of restrooms when we're talking about sex and sexual orientation which have nothing to do with going to the toilet.  I understand that it's a fetish for some but it's not what I'm talking about.


I beg your pardon...you mentioned sex in a restroom, not me. I responded to "what they do with their private

 parts".


Interesting that you are now thinking about "sex in restrooms" when I made no such connection beyond noting that you think about restrooms when the subject of sex, sexual orientation and private parts is the topic under discussion.  I was talking explicitly about sexual orientation and how we should just call people "people", regardless of how they utilise their private parts and with whom.  Your response was to imply that this would somehow cause a problem when it comes to people going to the toilet when the two are separate - except, apparently, in your mind.
 
2013-02-12 09:02:53 AM
Well her life is pretty much over. Pray hard, lady.
 
2013-02-12 09:03:52 AM
Sterelize the teacher - leave the gays and Spec Ed folks alone.
 
2013-02-12 09:04:04 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Iamwrong: I think that having a separate prom for bigoted people is a great idea, if that's what they want. At one time in history they might have forced out gay couples, but now a minority of bigoted are self-segregating.

Besides, where would you rather go to prom-- with a large group of normal people, liberal minded people, gays and lesbians? or a much smaller group of christian conservatives?

Like separate but equal? Hmmm I wonder if someone tried that at some point in history........


If I was throwing a party at my house and someone said "kick out that gay couple or I'm leaving," then that person is going to leave. Nobody is forcing them to leave the real prom. If they want to have their own "Christian values" prom to ease the butthurt, go ahead.
 
2013-02-12 09:06:07 AM

soporific: I would argue that the concept of "being gay" didn't really exist when the Bible was written.


You would be wrong.  At the time Paul was writing, "androkoites" was the common term for homosexual.  When Jesus spoke of "eunuchs who were born so from their mother's womb" (Matthew 19:12 Lamsa), that was the term of the day for what we would today call a "homosexual or asexual" man, who who from bith had no sexual attraction towards women.

The people living in Biblical times were not stupid or naive.  They understood that there were men who had never had any sexual attraction towards women, and they had words for such people.  And yes, they also had the concept that some people are born gay.
 
2013-02-12 09:06:50 AM

The Envoy: Point02GPA: The Envoy: Point02GPA: The Envoy: What's with having to identify themselves?  LGBT?  Here's an idea: let's call everybody "people" and stop fixating on what they do with their private parts.

That works well until you get into the "restroom" thingee.

Interesting that you immediately think of restrooms when we're talking about sex and sexual orientation which have nothing to do with going to the toilet.  I understand that it's a fetish for some but it's not what I'm talking about.


I beg your pardon...you mentioned sex in a restroom, not me. I responded to "what they do with their private

 parts".

Interesting that you are now thinking about "sex in restrooms" when I made no such connection beyond noting that you think about restrooms when the subject of sex, sexual orientation and private parts is the topic under discussion.  I was talking explicitly about sexual orientation and how we should just call people "people", regardless of how they utilise their private parts and with whom.  Your response was to imply that this would somehow cause a problem when it comes to people going to the toilet when the two are separate - except, apparently, in your mind.


It's cool calling people people. Men normally take their "private parts" to men's restrooms...women normally take their privet parts to "women's restrooms".
 
2013-02-12 09:08:00 AM

Point02GPA: It's cool calling people people. Men normally take their "private parts" to men's restrooms...women normally take their privet parts to "women's restrooms".


i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-12 09:09:30 AM

SkunkWerks: Point02GPA: It's cool calling people people. Men normally take their "private parts" to men's restrooms...women normally take their privet parts to "women's restrooms".

[i.imgur.com image 100x100]


It is getting good watching you too.
 
2013-02-12 09:10:34 AM

Point02GPA: It's cool calling people people. Men normally take their "private parts" to men's restrooms...women normally take their privet parts to "women's restrooms".


What privet parts may look like:

www.dpi.nsw.gov.au
Not sure why you'd make a point of taking them to a restroom, though.
 
2013-02-12 09:10:36 AM
I can remember when the prom was for the students not for a bunch of screaming right wing bigots.
 
2013-02-12 09:11:58 AM

Earpj: My son might wear a dress to such a prom. He's straight, but outspoken.

We live in Middle of Nowhere, Texas. Oddly enough, our high school is very accepting.


He sounds Hot.
 
2013-02-12 09:11:59 AM

The Envoy: Point02GPA: The Envoy: Point02GPA: The Envoy: What's with having to identify themselves?  LGBT?  Here's an idea: let's call everybody "people" and stop fixating on what they do with their private parts.

That works well until you get into the "restroom" thingee.

Interesting that you immediately think of restrooms when we're talking about sex and sexual orientation which have nothing to do with going to the toilet.  I understand that it's a fetish for some but it's not what I'm talking about.


I beg your pardon...you mentioned sex in a restroom, not me. I responded to "what they do with their private

 parts".

Interesting that you are now thinking about "sex in restrooms" when I made no such connection beyond noting that you think about restrooms when the subject of sex, sexual orientation and private parts is the topic under discussion.  I was talking explicitly about sexual orientation and how we should just call people "people", regardless of how they utilise their private parts and with whom.  Your response was to imply that this would somehow cause a problem when it comes to people going to the toilet when the two are separate - except, apparently, in your mind.


You're changing your words around. Point02GPA was merely saying that we can't just call people "people" when it comes to public restrooms. Unless you are suggesting that men and women can use the same restroom.

Private parts aren't merely sexual organs, they are also waste elimination organs. Point02 pointed out that "people" need separate bathrooms and you jumped all over his shiat screaming about how he was thinking about sexual organs when he said no such thing.
 
2013-02-12 09:14:25 AM

purdeyisa10: I can remember when the prom was for the students not for a bunch of screaming right wing bigots.


They're fighting a culture war, you see. Local loudmouths like the women in the article enjoy some small victories, but in general culture is completely unfazed and is well positioned to humble anyone dumb enough to think they can stop the tide.
 
2013-02-12 09:14:30 AM

Lionel Mandrake: "We want to make the public see that we love the homosexuals, but we don't think it's right nor should it be accepted," a student told WTWO.

"You're very existence is wrong and we do not accept who you are.  But we love you!♥!♥!♥!♥!!"

Only a person blinded by religion could find sense in this.





With Love like this, who needs HATE?!?!


Seriously, it just sounds like a bunch of pious asshats who found a way to spew hate while pretending to love one another as their sky wizard demands.

I guess they think their god is dumb since they think this will fool him. Any god worth his sacrificial virgins would see through this ruse in a second.
 
2013-02-12 09:14:54 AM

WhyteRaven74: Recoil Therapy: This country was founded (according to the history beat into everyone's head in school) by Puritans & they've had a death grip on policy ever since....

Yeah about that. The Puritans weren't who they're often portrayed as.....


Oh, I agree with you (thus the 'according to the history...' disclaimer), it's just that there have been several generations/centuries of people in positions to do so creating an alternate viewpoint of history that more conforms to their beliefs.  It may just be slight changes each time/generation but over time, as more & more people who were actually there die off & can't refute it any longer, it becomes the accepted reality.  Over enough time though those changes add up to become the new reality.  Factor in as well that up until just a little while ago (a few decades at most), information counter to what was being taught was hard to come by.  With no internet information was primarily available through schools & libraries.  It wasn't too hard for those with an agenda to push (especially in rural areas) to limit what was taught/what books were purchased.

Just imagine what the Special Ed teacher in this story is telling the kids in her classes what 'reality' is.  If many other people in similar positions hold the same views & tell their classes the same things it becomes easy to see how something completely wrong can become the accepted reality over time.
 
2013-02-12 09:15:44 AM
Look out, the church will want stonings and genocide, next thing you know.
 
2013-02-12 09:17:08 AM

serial_crusher: To be fair, anybody who thinks they do have a purpose in life is full of shiat.  You're not as special as you think, snowflake.


Pfft.  I have a purpose in life - to enjoy myself.

\one's life can have whatever purpose one chooses
\\or none at all
 
2013-02-12 09:17:29 AM

doubled99: Christian groups minister to people in prison all the time. They know the inmates have committed crimes but they still care about their welfare, without accepting or condoning the crimes they committed.
They don't agree with their lifestyle but they love them anyway. These are good Christian values. And yet still people have a problem



This is about discrimination. I'm not going to try and guess you motivations for trying to frame it as a mere difference of opinion but that doesn't mean I will let your comment slide either. If you are a public school teacher you need to at  a minimum keep your hurtful opinions private and out of the public light.
 
2013-02-12 09:18:35 AM

soporific: So that could be an additional argument you could make, that these verses encourage monogamy, and in this day and age, whether gay or straight, monogamy is still a good thing. This is why I, as a Christian, am in favor of gay marriage. I like monogamy. Monogamy builds and sustains communities, and when you look at these versus from the perspective of preserving monogamy, they stop being hateful and are no longer tools used to bludgeon gays.


I think you could make an even stronger argument that the Old Testament encourages polygamy far more than it encourages monogamy.

As for Leviticus, I don't see how anyone can take anything from that specific book seriously. There are entire chapters and verses on how to properly sacrifice an animal and talks about masturbation and how women are essentially unclean while on their periods and after childbirth. It's ludicrous.
 
2013-02-12 09:18:43 AM

miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?


They're afraid that homosexuality is going to sneak in the back door.

\apparently, there's no armor back there...
 
2013-02-12 09:19:37 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Not sure why you'd make a point of taking them to a restroom, though.


Might make it smell better?

*shrug*

Still trying to wrap my head around someone who apparently believes that sexual orientation dictates which restroom people use.
 
2013-02-12 09:20:19 AM

ristst: I would like to point out that Indiana is NOT a southern state.

Nice to see someone else get derpy for a change.


Yeah, but it is pretty southern in mentality.  Southern Indiana had a lot of volunteers for the Confederacy during the Civil War, and it was also a huge center for the rise of the modern KKK.

I live in Louisville, on the IN/KY border, and a few years ago I went to play paint ball in southern Indiana, and they had posted a large Confederate flag with "The South Will Rise Again" on it.  The irony was tough to get out of my head the rest of the day.
 
2013-02-12 09:24:22 AM
Hey churchies, why don't you keep yourselves busy with your  church instead of making demands for the local high school to conform to what your church wants?  This is why everyone treats you like a pack of busy bodies with nothing productive to do.
 
2013-02-12 09:25:34 AM
jdhj2:
He sounds Hot.

Ewww..he's 14.

Tho, the little girls seem to like him. He is, of course, oblivious.
 
2013-02-12 09:26:05 AM
Aw man...Sullivan, IN? That's where my father was born and raised. My grandfather owned the news stand in the town square. Spent some time there growing up, but hadn't been back for almost 30 years.  When I was very young, I remember it having that wholesome small town feel. When I was there 2 years ago for my grandfather's funeral, it looked like the poster child of the dying American Main Street. And apparently it's a white trash shiat-hole as well.
 
2013-02-12 09:27:37 AM
As a heterosexual man and a Hoosier who lives very close to Sullivan I am a little ashamed but not surprised by this. I for one love BLTG's. I mean bacon makes everything better.
 
2013-02-12 09:27:48 AM

SkunkWerks: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Not sure why you'd make a point of taking them to a restroom, though.

Might make it smell better?

*shrug*

Still trying to wrap my head around someone who apparently believes that sexual orientation dictates which restroom people use.


"shoulder roll"
 
2013-02-12 09:28:05 AM

ultraholland: GAT_00: I should start a clothing company and market assed chaps.

There are many good companies that already make pants. You should market frontless shirts.


Or just asses for chaps.  Call em ChapFlaps.
 
2013-02-12 09:29:29 AM

Point02GPA: "shoulder roll"


"halter top"
 
2013-02-12 09:30:14 AM

Qaiwolf: Call em ChapButtFlaps.


FIFTY.
 
2013-02-12 09:31:07 AM

SkunkWerks: Point02GPA: "shoulder roll"

"halter top"


"assed chaps"
 
2013-02-12 09:31:09 AM

Point02GPA: It's cool calling people people. Men normally take their "private parts" to men's restrooms...women normally take their privet parts to "women's restrooms".


Exactly.  It's interesting that you apparently now feel ashamed of your fetishistic feelings.  I apologise for making you feel that way, that was not my intention.  So, we are in agreement then?  We can ditch all nomenclature around orientation because people are just people regardless of what they do with their private parts (and now their garden shrubbery - my what a diverse range of fetishes you have!) and to whom they do it to.

Excellent!
 
2013-02-12 09:31:14 AM

Point02GPA: SkunkWerks: Point02GPA: I responded to "what they do with their private

parts".

...in the "restroom thingee"

Like I said, unless they've got completely different ways of relieving themselves, I'm fairly sure gay folk use their privates in restroom thingees exactly the same way we do.

So why does "not worrying about what people do with their privates" stop working out well once you've gone to the loo?

Gay men use the womens loo?


I'm a straight woman and I've used the men's loo plenty of times. The lines are much shorter, if they exist at all. Never had a problem, either. Also, no one asks if they can "borrow" my lip gloss, so that's a huge bonus right there.
 
2013-02-12 09:32:20 AM

miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?


I believe there exists a core group of self-loathing repressed gays in Christianity. They focus their conflict externally to avoid facing their true nature. This is seen as pious and devout and which leads more church members to follow their lead. They seem SO sure that teh gheys are evil that their confidence inspires followers.

The self-loathers then receive positive attention for their efforts and double down. A positive feedback loop is formed. Soon you have "good christian folks" taking their hate and disguising it as "tough love".
 
2013-02-12 09:32:32 AM

The Envoy: Point02GPA: It's cool calling people people. Men normally take their "private parts" to men's restrooms...women normally take their privet parts to "women's restrooms".

Exactly.  It's interesting that you apparently now feel ashamed of your fetishistic feelings.  I apologise for making you feel that way, that was not my intention.  So, we are in agreement then?  We can ditch all nomenclature around orientation because people are just people regardless of what they do with their private parts (and now their garden shrubbery - my what a diverse range of fetishes you have!) and to whom they do it to.

Excellent!


About par for you.
 
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