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(WCPO Cincinnati)   Indiana church wants high school to have a 'traditional prom' & ban gays & lesbians. Special Ed teacher contributes to the rational discussion by declaring that "Gays have no purpose in life" & then pretty much compares them to her special needs kids   (wcpo.com) divider line 370
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2013-02-11 10:49:31 PM  
I met a teenager from Indiana on AOL once. He was a nice kid. He was pretending he was a girl, but whatever, I could see past that.

Kept talking about moving away from that place. He also said I had a "cool" voice. Last I talked to him, I wrote to him on AIM and somebody wrote, "Who is this?" I already forgot what I wrote back, but I've never contacted that screen name again. And trust me, I really tried to remember how I worded it. It was something like, "Somebody who enjoys talking to whoever uses this screen name."
 
2013-02-11 10:57:47 PM  
"Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back."

Wait. Are we talking about Christians, or Sontarans? Or are they the same.
If so, can we whack Christians in the back of the neck to disable them?
 
2013-02-11 11:01:50 PM  
I hope this goes national. Colbert would have a field day with this one. Writes itself.
 
2013-02-11 11:15:46 PM  
"Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back. We're not running anymore," Bill Phegley, with Carlisle Church, told WTWO.

Because if there's one thing the god of peace and love wanted, it was his followers to beat peace and harmony into people's skulls at with a warhammer.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!  SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

Jesus cares not from whence the blood flows, he cares only that it should flow.  Know too that there is a place for YOUR skull at the foot of his throne of brass.
 
2013-02-11 11:19:31 PM  

Weaver95: Because if there's one thing the god of peace and love wanted, it was his followers to beat peace and harmony into people's skulls at with a warhammer.


These people believe that it's every other religion that is robbing them of peace. So if they can just get rid of the other religion, they can have peace.
 
2013-02-11 11:20:38 PM  

Majick Thise: My kids will not be going to a discriminatory Prom. ALL the students should be allowed to go.


Well, they are all allowed to go to the official prom.

"That's not your business to question whether or not two girls can go to the prom together," Sullivan High School Principal David Springer said.

"It was or is a tradition here in the past that a boy and a girl always walked out to Grand March but it's never been questioned whether or not two girls can walk out and it's questioned this year and we said of course you can walk out," Principal Springer said.

I think there will be an opening for a special ed teacher at that school soon.
 
2013-02-11 11:22:57 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: "Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back."

Why is it the asshole Christians who most often make comments that sound so, well, gay?


Does the Jesus armor have nipples?
 
2013-02-11 11:27:13 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Amos Quito: Vodka Zombie: We need to stop letting people cloak their ignorance and bigotry in the word "traditional."


How might we do that?

I don't really know. Eventually, they will realize that traditional is synonymous with hatred and bigotry.


All you can do is trot out the truth and make them look foolish.  Eventually, everyone else will mutter "Meh!" and keep moving when they speak.

Even the church at which  they held their little press opp distanced itself from their views.
 
2013-02-11 11:34:16 PM  

ArkAngel: I happen to have several very good friends who are LGBTQwhateverletterstheykeepaddingontothis.


That is getting rather tedious and cumbersome.  LGTBTQIA is the latest version, I think.  And it doesn't even spell a word.  I wish they would just go with "OTHER" "MISC" to keep things simple and clear.
 
2013-02-11 11:47:20 PM  

Dallymo: "Gays have no purpose in life"

Well, they make you feel pretty superior...you'd probably have a pretty tough time with that if they weren't around.

Dipshiat.


Egocentric.  The woman says God puts people in her life for a purpose.  I've no doubt the purpose  is to help her qualify for Heaven. The special ed kids serve her purpose. Gays do not. Other people's purposes don't matter.  It's all about her.
 
2013-02-12 12:14:43 AM  

ultraholland: GAT_00: I should start a clothing company and market assed chaps.

There are many good companies that already make pants. You should market frontless shirts.


That's besides the point.  I bet they'd still sell.
 
2013-02-12 12:27:27 AM  

SilentStrider: "Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back."

Wait. Are we talking about Christians, or Sontarans? Or are they the same.
If so, can we whack Christians in the back of the neck to disable them?


You just wait until the Christians get it in their head that the Moon is an enemy, or gay, or something, and has been watching us for far too long. You won't be laughing then.
 
2013-02-12 12:28:53 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: ArkAngel: I happen to have several very good friends who are LGBTQwhateverletterstheykeepaddingontothis.

That is getting rather tedious and cumbersome.  LGTBTQIA is the latest version, I think.  And it doesn't even spell a word.  I wish they would just go with "OTHER" "MISC" to keep things simple and clear.


I say it should be LGTBBQ, because everyone loves a good BBQ.
 
2013-02-12 12:43:19 AM  
If the group is already meeting at a church to plan a separate prom--why not have their own prom at the church? The people who want that one can go to that one and the public one will be open for all registered students and their dates. I don't see why this has to be some Hugh Jass deal. But you sure can't tell a kid in a public taxpayer-supported high school s/he's not allowed to attend his or her own high school prom.
 
2013-02-12 12:45:06 AM  

Earpj: My son might wear a dress to such a prom. He's straight, but outspoken.


Cool. Also, chicks in tuxes are HOT.
 
2013-02-12 12:49:56 AM  

brap: He most likely not ruin my life by getting me teen pregnant.


i.imgur.com

/oblig
 
2013-02-12 12:53:23 AM  

PreMortem: I hope this goes national. Colbert would have a field day with this one. Writes itself.


Its already on HuffPo. The FB page has 14,000 likes in a day or so. The page admin is already asking people not to leave vulgar messages on the church's phone or send pornographic faxes to the church.

Of course, my first thought was "People fax porn?
 
2013-02-12 12:59:19 AM  

GAT_00: ultraholland: GAT_00: I should start a clothing company and market assed chaps.

There are many good companies that already make pants. You should market frontless shirts.

That's besides the point.  I bet they'd still sell.


The world needs more tabards.
 
2013-02-12 01:00:37 AM  
"Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back," [...] Bill Phegley, with Carlisle Church, told WTWO.

I seriously cannot stop laughing at this. Every time I re-read it I can't help my smirk from turning into an all-out cackle.
 
2013-02-12 01:00:48 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: BarkingUnicorn: ArkAngel: I happen to have several very good friends who are LGBTQwhateverletterstheykeepaddingontothis.

That is getting rather tedious and cumbersome.  LGTBTQIA is the latest version, I think.  And it doesn't even spell a word.  I wish they would just go with "OTHER" "MISC" to keep things simple and clear.

I say it should be LGTBBQ, because everyone loves a good BBQ.


That's too close to LGTBBW for my tastes.
 
2013-02-12 01:01:53 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: That's too close to LGTBBW for my tastes.


Nobody likes a Bright Wizard. Damn gingers.
 
2013-02-12 01:16:10 AM  
To be fair, anybody who thinks they do have a purpose in life is full of shiat.  You're not as special as you think, snowflake.
 
2013-02-12 04:58:20 AM  
BTW the federal courts ruled that you can't exclude gay students from prom way back in 1980. So trying to pull any shenanigans is going to make a federal judge very ill tempered.
 
2013-02-12 05:21:43 AM  

WorldCitizen: dugitman: bronyaur1: ... in related news, Indiana is a redneck shiathole.

It has its spots for sure, but the under 40 people arent generally as ignorant as the assholes in TFA. To the subject of TFA-- downtown Indy has a very large and very active gay community that takes in a lot of these kids who are sorta cultural refugees from the smaller rural areas. My high school (actually in Eastern IN) was 120 square miles and I graduated with 92 in 85'. There wasnt one person out then and there, but I've seen 5 or so classmates in the Mass Ave district through the years. Also, our valedictorian is a married lesbian with a PhD living in northern CA.

Well, and Bloomington (home of Indiana University) where I live which is a very blue, liberal, over educated enclave in southern Indiana.


Only when compared to the rest of Indiana.
 
2013-02-12 05:28:13 AM  
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2013-02-12 06:35:12 AM  
Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?
 
2013-02-12 06:56:10 AM  

miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?


www.bbc.co.uk

Because it's easier to loathe someone else than to loathe yourself.
 
2013-02-12 07:04:59 AM  

Somacandra: If the group is already meeting at a church to plan a separate prom--why not have their own prom at the church? The people who want that one can go to that one and the public one will be open for all registered students and their dates. I don't see why this has to be some Hugh Jass deal. But you sure can't tell a kid in a public taxpayer-supported high school s/he's not allowed to attend his or her own high school prom.


*Gasp* How dare you suggest that the Christian students be  persecuted in such an obvious and blatant way!
 
2013-02-12 07:05:02 AM  
The difference being that if you left a group of homosexuals in the wilderness they'd eventually know how to get back to civilization. Your average high school paste eater would perish and improve society.
 
2013-02-12 07:05:41 AM  

PreMortem: miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?

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Because it's easier to loathe someone else than to loathe yourself.


I'm sure a small percentage of Christians who are against gays are gay themselves and are trapped in some kind of cycle of self loathing, but that doesn't explain the vast majority of them who honestly believe that being gay is some kind of abomination because their contradictory and ludicrously outdated holy book mentions it a few times.

If they're going by Old Testament standards why aren't they for polygamy and stoning thieves and adulterers?
 
2013-02-12 07:07:28 AM  

PreMortem: miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?


Because it's easier to loathe someone else than to loathe yourself.


Bingo.  They see it (and are terrified of it) in themselves & they assume that everyone MUST be like them (same feelings, same thoughts, etc) so if they don't like the way it makes them feel everyone else must feel the same.  It's stupid really but sadly enters into far too many areas of life with far too many different types of people (same disease, different symptoms)
 
2013-02-12 07:07:56 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: ArkAngel: I happen to have several very good friends who are LGBTQwhateverletterstheykeepaddingontothis.

That is getting rather tedious and cumbersome.  LGTBTQIA is the latest version, I think.  And it doesn't even spell a word.  I wish they would just go with "OTHER" "MISC" to keep things simple and clear.


QUILTBAG. Queer, Uncertain, Intergender, Lesbian, Transgender, Bisexual, Asexual, Gay. (I think I got the definition of the acronym right)

Also, have these kids not heard of what happened to that school in Mississippi that tried to have a "no homos allowed" prom?
 
2013-02-12 07:09:27 AM  
ah, another case where the faithful completely ignore what their savior says and treat their religion like it's a buffet and we're supposed to respect whatever they put on their plates as excuses for their behavior.
 
2013-02-12 07:12:45 AM  
These people are farked in the head...

We had a couple of gay couples and one trans-gendered student, who attended the prom alone, at my Senior Prom and no one batted an eye... And this was back in farking 1989.
 
2013-02-12 07:15:11 AM  
Well, she's made an excellent argument of why homosexuality is wrong. I am turning in my at athiest card, handing over my dildo and putting on my pearl necklace for Jesus.
 
2013-02-12 07:15:29 AM  
The happy ending to this story would be of NONE of the kids go to this "traditional" prom and instead show these upright assholes their indignation by holding an all-inclusive rave at the local lake.

Somehow, I think the ending is going to involve lawsuits and such.
 
2013-02-12 07:15:51 AM  
FTFA: We want to make the public see that we love the homosexuals

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

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2013-02-12 07:16:59 AM  
I find it particularly distressing that this woman is involved in special education.

To start with, she has no place educating children.  And then I find myself wondering what sort of patronising schtick she regards her students with.
 
2013-02-12 07:17:47 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: I actually met one person who didn't like BBQ... only one.


Damn hippie vegans.  See, if we're gonna hate on anybody, it should be THESE "people."

:/
 
2013-02-12 07:18:45 AM  
<i>A group of supporters met Sunday at the Sullivan First Christian Church, in Sullivan County, to plan a separate "traditional prom" for Sullivan High School students that would prohibit gays from attending,WTWO reported .</i>

And now any effort for this to appear school sanctioned will allow a court to quickly dismember this event based on obvious discriminatory intent and religious motivation.

Oh, and who asks a question such as "Do gays have a purpose in life?" Never heard such an argument about homosexuality and purpose... not sure why this would occur to anyone to ask and to anyone to answer in the negative.
 
2013-02-12 07:18:57 AM  

WorldCitizen: Well, and Bloomington (home of Indiana University) where I live which is a very blue, liberal, over educated enclave in southern Indiana.


And it has a pretty respectable LGBT community. I recall seeing an article recently about the mayor of Bloomington officiating same-sex marriages at the end of last month contrary to IN state law. I was tempted to swing by and check out the inevitable protests/counter-protests.
 
2013-02-12 07:19:59 AM  

SkunkWerks: And then I find myself wondering what sort of patronising schtick she regards her students with.


cdn.stripersonline.com

"I love those little retards!"
 
2013-02-12 07:21:09 AM  

Vangor: Oh, and who asks a question such as "Do gays have a purpose in life?"


People who believe the only valid purpose in life is to squirt out babies.

Because "traditional" parents just love it when Karen comes home from the prom teen-pregnant.
 
2013-02-12 07:22:44 AM  
OMG some people don't like gays and the spreading of aids!?! Whatever will we do? Oh, the horror.
 
2013-02-12 07:22:46 AM  

Sgt Otter: "You're the REAL bigot!" It's so weird seeing a Fark cliche' in real life.  Like the bizarre, "hilarious" insulting names for Barack Obama that merely aren't funny, they make absolutely no farking sense.


You may have misread that - the quote was Dan Savage calling the hobophobic shiatweasels "Bigots," not the other way around.

FTFA: Among the supporters is Diana Medley, a special education teacher at nearby North Central Jr./Sr. High School in the Northeast School Corporation, who told WTWO she doesn't believe anyone is born gay.

If you were to chart "People who loudly and publicly insist that homosexuality is a choice" and "Straight people" as a Venn diagram, the two circles wouldn't even be on the same blackboard. Just another self-hating gay Christian.
 
2013-02-12 07:24:18 AM  
As I recall, prom was a place to hang for an hour, maybe two then take your respective date somewhere much more fun and comfortable.  There were even carpools to get people back to the school if they had a curfew or their parents were picking them up.  No one actually stayed for the prom.  What I'm saying is, that whole step is expendable.
 
2013-02-12 07:24:27 AM  
Sounds like a horny, ugly teacher that got turned down by a student, using a version of the 'it's not you, it's me' excuse.
 
2013-02-12 07:25:24 AM  

cherryl taggart: Sounds like a horny, ugly teacher that got turned down by a student, using a version of the 'it's not you, it's me' excuse.




Wat?
 
2013-02-12 07:25:40 AM  
what if you put your sperm in a sperm bank for later fertizilation purposes.  then do you have a purpose in life?
 
2013-02-12 07:25:44 AM  

miss diminutive: PreMortem: miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?

[www.bbc.co.uk image 288x291]

Because it's easier to loathe someone else than to loathe yourself.

I'm sure a small percentage of Christians who are against gays are gay themselves and are trapped in some kind of cycle of self loathing, but that doesn't explain the vast majority of them who honestly believe that being gay is some kind of abomination because their contradictory and ludicrously outdated holy book mentions it a few times.

If they're going by Old Testament standards why aren't they for polygamy and stoning thieves and adulterers?


This country was founded (according to the history beat into everyone's head in school) by Puritans & they've had a death grip on policy ever since....

I think that both you & PreMortem are hitting on it.  A lot of it probably has to do with generations of people being told over & over again that "good people just don't do that" by..... church leaders.  Up until very recently being a pastor, preacher, etc was one of the few socially acceptable ways for a man to remain unmarried for life & thus tended to attract both the people who did actually have a calling but also homosexuals (of course I'm painting in VERY wide brushes here but more to make a point than to debate details) who could then hide not wanting to be with a woman.  Recently (past couple of decades) it has become much more socially acceptable to 'come out' & live your life in the open.  In the same time frame there has also been a SIGNIFICANT reduction in the number of young men wanting to enter the priesthood/church.  Now it may not be 1+1=2 straight line reasoning but I feel that it is a large part of why the church ('church' as in all religions of different flavors that don't allow their priests to marry) has had such a hard time recently recruiting the next generation of priests - they don't have to go there to live a 'normal' life any longer.

/sorry for the disjointed thoughts
//hard to distill a complex issue down to a few pithy points
///especially when the coffee is brewing behind me & not IN me....
 
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