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(WCPO Cincinnati)   Indiana church wants high school to have a 'traditional prom' & ban gays & lesbians. Special Ed teacher contributes to the rational discussion by declaring that "Gays have no purpose in life" & then pretty much compares them to her special needs kids   (wcpo.com) divider line 377
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2013-02-11 08:25:08 PM
We had a traditional prom.  And as tradition dictates, everyone that hadn't already figured shiate out came out of closet when they felt comfortable with doing so.
 
2013-02-11 08:25:21 PM
"We want to make the public see that we love the homosexuals, but we don't think it's right nor should it be accepted," a student told WTWO.

"You're very existence is wrong and we do not accept who you are.  But we love you!♥!♥!♥!♥!!"

Only a person blinded by religion could find sense in this.
 
2013-02-11 08:28:23 PM
SULLIVAN, Ind. - Some parents, students and clergy in an eastern Indiana city want a separate high school prom banning gay and lesbian students.

upload.wikimedia.org
I guess it is East of something in Indiana.
 
2013-02-11 08:32:41 PM
Of all the F'd up things you (America, collective) do, this, above all else, is why you can't have nice things.

/and the special ed teacher needs to be forced to find a new line of work more in keeping with her opinions and apparent lack of ability... I just can't think of anything that skill set is actually suited to...
 
2013-02-11 08:34:15 PM

sno man: Of all the F'd up things you (America, collective) do, this, above all else, is why you can't have nice things.

/and the special ed teacher needs to be forced to find a new line of work more in keeping with her opinions and apparent lack of ability... I just can't think of anything that skill set is actually suited to...


Gas pump jockey.
 
2013-02-11 08:35:30 PM
I wonder how many gay students there are in that pissant town of less than 5,000 people.
 
2013-02-11 08:41:02 PM

BarkingUnicorn: I wonder how many gay students there are in that pissant town of less than 5,000 people.


As of 2007, the school has an enrollment of approximately 600 students

If you go by the various "estimates" of gays in society in general, you are looking at 30-60.

In a town like that, my guess is you can count the number that are actually "out" on your hand.
 
2013-02-11 08:50:55 PM

brap: We had a traditional prom.  And as tradition dictates, everyone that hadn't already figured shiate out came out of closet when they felt comfortable with doing so.


A thousand years ago at my prom two guys came out after a few too many hits of the punch...  EVERYONE was "Yea and?" The drama queen got all whiny... The other guy went home with a new friend.  Actually three guys came out that night, anyway, they are still together 28 years later.
 
2013-02-11 08:53:24 PM
That woman illustrates the difference between mentally handicapped and retarded.
Her kids are mentally handicapped.
She's retarded.
 
2013-02-11 08:53:46 PM
This teacher puts the "special" in special education.  She is extremely special.  She went full special.

/Never go full special
 
2013-02-11 08:54:46 PM
This is my home county. I moved away from there. Wonder why?

This is so embarrassing and pathetic.

it's bad enough being gay in that county without having your teachers come out against you in the media.
 
2013-02-11 08:56:33 PM
There is a petition out against her, by the way, at Change.org.
 
2013-02-11 08:56:37 PM
My kids will not be going to a discriminatory Prom. ALL the students should be allowed to go.
 
2013-02-11 08:59:50 PM
If there was any sense in the world, that teacher would be banned from their job.  They clearly aren't fit to interact with children.
 
2013-02-11 08:59:53 PM
"Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back."

Why is it the asshole Christians who most often make comments that sound so, well, gay?
 
2013-02-11 09:00:27 PM
"Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back. We're not running anymore," Bill Phegley, with Carlisle Church, told WTWO.
Giggity.
 
2013-02-11 09:01:59 PM
My son might wear a dress to such a prom. He's straight, but outspoken.

We live in Middle of Nowhere, Texas. Oddly enough, our high school is very accepting.
 
2013-02-11 09:03:44 PM

BarkingUnicorn: I wonder how many gay students there are in that pissant town of less than 5,000 people.


Statistically, there should be about 250 homosexuals in a town that size based on the fairly standard 5%, and age bracketing, for high school age, there should be about 12 in high school at any given time...  I'm not sure I knew 12 in my high school, and IT was about a third the population of this town...
 
2013-02-11 09:06:26 PM
Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back.

Someone's a catcher.

/At least he uses protection.
 
2013-02-11 09:08:38 PM
We need to stop letting people cloak their ignorance and bigotry in the word "traditional."

Like "patriot," when you hear it, you know that there's going to be a whole heap of stupid coming.
 
2013-02-11 09:12:25 PM

kimwim: sno man: Of all the F'd up things you (America, collective) do, this, above all else, is why you can't have nice things.

/and the special ed teacher needs to be forced to find a new line of work more in keeping with her opinions and apparent lack of ability... I just can't think of anything that skill set is actually suited to...

Gas pump jockey.


See now that's insulting to pumpers of gas everywhere, especially the ones that get paid to...
 
2013-02-11 09:14:26 PM

BarkingUnicorn: I wonder how many gay students there are in that pissant town of less than 5,000 people.


I went to the another high school in the county (there only about 19,000 in the entire county). In the early 90s there were 82 people who graduated in my class. Out of those 82, there are now 3 openly out gay males that I can think of. There are at least 2 openly out lesbians. There was at least one woman who dated women for awhile but last I knew married a man. Then there were the guys who "did things" with other guys who are now married with children (I know some of them from personal experience).
 
2013-02-11 09:15:19 PM
Vodka Zombie: We need to stop letting people cloak their ignorance and bigotry in the word "traditional."

They should advocate a separate yet equal prom for the negroes. You know, traditional.
 
2013-02-11 09:18:39 PM
I, for one, am glad that times and attitudes are changing.

Not as fast as I'd like to see them change, mind you, but we have come a L-O-N-G way as a society compared to when I was in high school.


/Old fart
 
2013-02-11 09:20:45 PM

ultraholland: Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back.

Someone's a catcher.

/At least he uses protection.


Jesus said he loves me, but I think he was just trying to get me in bed.
 
2013-02-11 09:21:06 PM

Vodka Zombie: We need to stop letting people cloak their ignorance and bigotry in the word "traditional."



How might we do that?
 
2013-02-11 09:24:23 PM

dahmers love zombie: "Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back. We're not running anymore," Bill Phegley, with Carlisle Church, told WTWO.
Giggity.


So...assless chaps?

/Yes, I know it's redundant.
 
2013-02-11 09:31:23 PM

davidphogan: ultraholland: Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back.

Someone's a catcher.

/At least he uses protection.

Jesus said he loves me, but I think he was just trying to get me in bed.


it's the turning the other cheek thing you gotta watch out for...
 
2013-02-11 09:38:19 PM

Amos Quito: Vodka Zombie: We need to stop letting people cloak their ignorance and bigotry in the word "traditional."


How might we do that?


I don't really know. Eventually, they will realize that traditional is synonymous with hatred and bigotry.
 
2013-02-11 09:40:20 PM

Sgt Otter: dahmers love zombie: "Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back. We're not running anymore," Bill Phegley, with Carlisle Church, told WTWO.
Giggity.

So...assless chaps?

/Yes, I know it's redundant.


I should start a clothing company and market assed chaps.
 
2013-02-11 09:40:28 PM
Someone with so little compassion shouldn't be allowed to teach special needs children who may not be able to report abuse. I bet she duct tapes their mouths shut.
 
2013-02-11 09:42:17 PM

Lionel Mandrake: "We want to make the public see that we love the homosexuals, but we don't think it's right nor should it be accepted," a student told WTWO.

"You're very existence is wrong and we do not accept who you are.  But we love you!♥!♥!♥!♥!!"

Only a person blinded by religion could find sense in this.


It depends on how you act towards them. I happen to have several very good friends who are LGBTQwhateverletterstheykeepaddingontothis. They know I'm a Christian and think it's a sin, but I don't mention it, don't treat them any different, and don't reject them in any way. Of the people in my current Pathfinder game, only one other person besides me isn't on the acronym list.
 
2013-02-11 09:46:53 PM
I think if I was a young woman going to a prom, I would want my date to be a homosexual.

He most likely not ruin my life by getting me teen pregnant.
 
2013-02-11 09:47:48 PM

SilentStrider: That woman illustrates the difference between mentally handicapped and retarded.
Her kids are mentally handicapped.
She's retarded.


This.
 
2013-02-11 09:50:26 PM

Vodka Zombie: Amos Quito: Vodka Zombie: We need to stop letting people cloak their ignorance and bigotry in the word "traditional."


How might we do that?

I don't really know. Eventually, they will realize that traditional is synonymous with hatred and bigotry.



I look forward to the day when we all look back and laugh at the days when the use of the word "traditional" was customary.


/Trendy
 
2013-02-11 09:56:48 PM
They can go, they just can't tell anybody that they're romantically involved with their same-sex guest.
 
2013-02-11 10:01:17 PM
"Gays have no purpose in life"

Well, they make you feel pretty superior...you'd probably have a pretty tough time with that if they weren't around.

Dipshiat.
 
2013-02-11 10:05:32 PM
... in related news, Indiana is a redneck shiathole.
 
2013-02-11 10:08:59 PM
FTA: "There's no way to stop the haters at Sullivan High School from holding an independent prom for the special bigoted kids," he wrote. "But here's what we can do: we can make a noise so loud enough that all the queer kids at Sullivan High School hear it. Those kids need to know that there are people -- a lot of people -- who think this (expletive) is wrong."

Well, the first sentence sums up the real issue. Those who hate gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgenders are going to hold a private party someplace because they hate anyone that's different. Their churches, parents and friends support and enable their hatred.

/I am SO embarrassed by some Christians.
//I am SO happy I'm Episcopalian and that we accept GLBTs as Jesus' children too.
 
2013-02-11 10:11:35 PM
Ouch!
 
2013-02-11 10:13:21 PM
"Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back."

Fat lot of good that did Joan of Arc
 
2013-02-11 10:15:17 PM

AirForceVet: /I am SO embarrassed by some Christians.
//I am SO happy I'm Episcopalian and that we accept GLBTs as Jesus' children too.


As I often point out, and as seems to be true here as well, these people are speaking for the majority, not the minority.  This is the Christian majority speaking proudly about how they think the world should look.
 
2013-02-11 10:18:46 PM

AirForceVet: FTA: "There's no way to stop the haters at Sullivan High School from holding an independent prom for the special bigoted kids," he wrote. "But here's what we can do: we can make a noise so loud enough that all the queer kids at Sullivan High School hear it. Those kids need to know that there are people -- a lot of people -- who think this (expletive) is wrong."

Well, the first sentence sums up the real issue. Those who hate gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgenders are going to hold a private party someplace because they hate anyone that's different. Their churches, parents and friends support and enable their hatred.

/I am SO embarrassed by some Christians.
//I am SO happy I'm Episcopalian and that we accept GLBTs as Jesus' children too.


"You're the REAL bigot!"

It's so weird seeing a Fark cliche' in real life.  Like the bizarre, "hilarious" insulting names for Barack Obama that merely aren't funny, they make absolutely no farking sense.

I guess "O'Berri" is the new hotness in Freeperville.
 
2013-02-11 10:19:01 PM

bronyaur1: ... in related news, Indiana is a redneck shiathole.


I've heard "Alabama of the Midwest", but I think that is doing a disservice to Alabama.


/still no liquor stores open on Sunday
//hopes this ignorant biatch loses her job
 
2013-02-11 10:20:42 PM

bronyaur1: ... in related news, Indiana is a redneck shiathole.


It has its spots for sure, but the under 40 people arent generally as ignorant as the assholes in TFA. To the subject of TFA-- downtown Indy has a very large and very active gay community that takes in a lot of these kids who are sorta cultural refugees from the smaller rural areas. My high school (actually in Eastern IN) was 120 square miles and I graduated with 92 in 85'. There wasnt one person out then and there, but I've seen 5 or so classmates in the Mass Ave district through the years. Also, our valedictorian is a married lesbian with a PhD living in northern CA.
 
2013-02-11 10:25:39 PM

dugitman: bronyaur1: ... in related news, Indiana is a redneck shiathole.

It has its spots for sure, but the under 40 people arent generally as ignorant as the assholes in TFA. To the subject of TFA-- downtown Indy has a very large and very active gay community that takes in a lot of these kids who are sorta cultural refugees from the smaller rural areas. My high school (actually in Eastern IN) was 120 square miles and I graduated with 92 in 85'. There wasnt one person out then and there, but I've seen 5 or so classmates in the Mass Ave district through the years. Also, our valedictorian is a married lesbian with a PhD living in northern CA.


Well, and Bloomington (home of Indiana University) where I live which is a very blue, liberal, over educated enclave in southern Indiana.
 
2013-02-11 10:30:47 PM
Keep it up. You'll be back when you need cater waiters and home decorators...
 
2013-02-11 10:35:04 PM

WorldCitizen: Well, and Bloomington (home of Indiana University) where I live which is a very blue, liberal, over educated enclave in southern Indiana.


Yep. Southern Indiana is a weird one. You have Bloomington and rural artsy pockets just north (Nashville, Bean Blossom) surrounded by a whole lot of ... well... hillfolk.
 
2013-02-11 10:35:12 PM

ArkAngel: Lionel Mandrake: "We want to make the public see that we love the homosexuals, but we don't think it's right nor should it be accepted," a student told WTWO.

"You're very existence is wrong and we do not accept who you are.  But we love you!♥!♥!♥!♥!!"

Only a person blinded by religion could find sense in this.

It depends on how you act towards them. I happen to have several very good friends who are LGBTQwhateverletterstheykeepaddingontothis. They know I'm a Christian and think it's a sin, but I don't mention it, don't treat them any different, and don't reject them in any way. Of the people in my current Pathfinder game, only one other person besides me isn't on the acronym list.


Then you are clearly different, and better, than the people I am talking about.
 
2013-02-11 10:39:47 PM
GAT_00: I should start a clothing company and market assed chaps.

There are many good companies that already make pants. You should market frontless shirts.
 
2013-02-11 10:49:31 PM
I met a teenager from Indiana on AOL once. He was a nice kid. He was pretending he was a girl, but whatever, I could see past that.

Kept talking about moving away from that place. He also said I had a "cool" voice. Last I talked to him, I wrote to him on AIM and somebody wrote, "Who is this?" I already forgot what I wrote back, but I've never contacted that screen name again. And trust me, I really tried to remember how I worded it. It was something like, "Somebody who enjoys talking to whoever uses this screen name."
 
2013-02-11 10:57:47 PM
"Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back."

Wait. Are we talking about Christians, or Sontarans? Or are they the same.
If so, can we whack Christians in the back of the neck to disable them?
 
2013-02-11 11:01:50 PM
I hope this goes national. Colbert would have a field day with this one. Writes itself.
 
2013-02-11 11:15:46 PM
"Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back. We're not running anymore," Bill Phegley, with Carlisle Church, told WTWO.

Because if there's one thing the god of peace and love wanted, it was his followers to beat peace and harmony into people's skulls at with a warhammer.

BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!  SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE!

Jesus cares not from whence the blood flows, he cares only that it should flow.  Know too that there is a place for YOUR skull at the foot of his throne of brass.
 
2013-02-11 11:19:31 PM

Weaver95: Because if there's one thing the god of peace and love wanted, it was his followers to beat peace and harmony into people's skulls at with a warhammer.


These people believe that it's every other religion that is robbing them of peace. So if they can just get rid of the other religion, they can have peace.
 
2013-02-11 11:20:38 PM

Majick Thise: My kids will not be going to a discriminatory Prom. ALL the students should be allowed to go.


Well, they are all allowed to go to the official prom.

"That's not your business to question whether or not two girls can go to the prom together," Sullivan High School Principal David Springer said.

"It was or is a tradition here in the past that a boy and a girl always walked out to Grand March but it's never been questioned whether or not two girls can walk out and it's questioned this year and we said of course you can walk out," Principal Springer said.

I think there will be an opening for a special ed teacher at that school soon.
 
2013-02-11 11:22:57 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: "Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back."

Why is it the asshole Christians who most often make comments that sound so, well, gay?


Does the Jesus armor have nipples?
 
2013-02-11 11:27:13 PM

Vodka Zombie: Amos Quito: Vodka Zombie: We need to stop letting people cloak their ignorance and bigotry in the word "traditional."


How might we do that?

I don't really know. Eventually, they will realize that traditional is synonymous with hatred and bigotry.


All you can do is trot out the truth and make them look foolish.  Eventually, everyone else will mutter "Meh!" and keep moving when they speak.

Even the church at which  they held their little press opp distanced itself from their views.
 
2013-02-11 11:34:16 PM

ArkAngel: I happen to have several very good friends who are LGBTQwhateverletterstheykeepaddingontothis.


That is getting rather tedious and cumbersome.  LGTBTQIA is the latest version, I think.  And it doesn't even spell a word.  I wish they would just go with "OTHER" "MISC" to keep things simple and clear.
 
2013-02-11 11:47:20 PM

Dallymo: "Gays have no purpose in life"

Well, they make you feel pretty superior...you'd probably have a pretty tough time with that if they weren't around.

Dipshiat.


Egocentric.  The woman says God puts people in her life for a purpose.  I've no doubt the purpose  is to help her qualify for Heaven. The special ed kids serve her purpose. Gays do not. Other people's purposes don't matter.  It's all about her.
 
2013-02-12 12:14:43 AM

ultraholland: GAT_00: I should start a clothing company and market assed chaps.

There are many good companies that already make pants. You should market frontless shirts.


That's besides the point.  I bet they'd still sell.
 
2013-02-12 12:27:27 AM

SilentStrider: "Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back."

Wait. Are we talking about Christians, or Sontarans? Or are they the same.
If so, can we whack Christians in the back of the neck to disable them?


You just wait until the Christians get it in their head that the Moon is an enemy, or gay, or something, and has been watching us for far too long. You won't be laughing then.
 
2013-02-12 12:28:53 AM

BarkingUnicorn: ArkAngel: I happen to have several very good friends who are LGBTQwhateverletterstheykeepaddingontothis.

That is getting rather tedious and cumbersome.  LGTBTQIA is the latest version, I think.  And it doesn't even spell a word.  I wish they would just go with "OTHER" "MISC" to keep things simple and clear.


I say it should be LGTBBQ, because everyone loves a good BBQ.
 
2013-02-12 12:43:19 AM
If the group is already meeting at a church to plan a separate prom--why not have their own prom at the church? The people who want that one can go to that one and the public one will be open for all registered students and their dates. I don't see why this has to be some Hugh Jass deal. But you sure can't tell a kid in a public taxpayer-supported high school s/he's not allowed to attend his or her own high school prom.
 
2013-02-12 12:45:06 AM

Earpj: My son might wear a dress to such a prom. He's straight, but outspoken.


Cool. Also, chicks in tuxes are HOT.
 
2013-02-12 12:49:56 AM

brap: He most likely not ruin my life by getting me teen pregnant.


i.imgur.com

/oblig
 
2013-02-12 12:53:23 AM

PreMortem: I hope this goes national. Colbert would have a field day with this one. Writes itself.


Its already on HuffPo. The FB page has 14,000 likes in a day or so. The page admin is already asking people not to leave vulgar messages on the church's phone or send pornographic faxes to the church.

Of course, my first thought was "People fax porn?
 
2013-02-12 12:59:19 AM

GAT_00: ultraholland: GAT_00: I should start a clothing company and market assed chaps.

There are many good companies that already make pants. You should market frontless shirts.

That's besides the point.  I bet they'd still sell.


The world needs more tabards.
 
2013-02-12 01:00:37 AM
"Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back," [...] Bill Phegley, with Carlisle Church, told WTWO.

I seriously cannot stop laughing at this. Every time I re-read it I can't help my smirk from turning into an all-out cackle.
 
2013-02-12 01:00:48 AM

FirstNationalBastard: BarkingUnicorn: ArkAngel: I happen to have several very good friends who are LGBTQwhateverletterstheykeepaddingontothis.

That is getting rather tedious and cumbersome.  LGTBTQIA is the latest version, I think.  And it doesn't even spell a word.  I wish they would just go with "OTHER" "MISC" to keep things simple and clear.

I say it should be LGTBBQ, because everyone loves a good BBQ.


That's too close to LGTBBW for my tastes.
 
2013-02-12 01:01:53 AM

BarkingUnicorn: That's too close to LGTBBW for my tastes.


Nobody likes a Bright Wizard. Damn gingers.
 
2013-02-12 01:16:10 AM
To be fair, anybody who thinks they do have a purpose in life is full of shiat.  You're not as special as you think, snowflake.
 
2013-02-12 04:58:20 AM
BTW the federal courts ruled that you can't exclude gay students from prom way back in 1980. So trying to pull any shenanigans is going to make a federal judge very ill tempered.
 
2013-02-12 05:21:43 AM

WorldCitizen: dugitman: bronyaur1: ... in related news, Indiana is a redneck shiathole.

It has its spots for sure, but the under 40 people arent generally as ignorant as the assholes in TFA. To the subject of TFA-- downtown Indy has a very large and very active gay community that takes in a lot of these kids who are sorta cultural refugees from the smaller rural areas. My high school (actually in Eastern IN) was 120 square miles and I graduated with 92 in 85'. There wasnt one person out then and there, but I've seen 5 or so classmates in the Mass Ave district through the years. Also, our valedictorian is a married lesbian with a PhD living in northern CA.

Well, and Bloomington (home of Indiana University) where I live which is a very blue, liberal, over educated enclave in southern Indiana.


Only when compared to the rest of Indiana.
 
2013-02-12 05:28:13 AM
mimg.ugo.com
 
2013-02-12 06:35:12 AM
Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?
 
2013-02-12 06:56:10 AM

miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?


www.bbc.co.uk

Because it's easier to loathe someone else than to loathe yourself.
 
2013-02-12 07:04:59 AM

Somacandra: If the group is already meeting at a church to plan a separate prom--why not have their own prom at the church? The people who want that one can go to that one and the public one will be open for all registered students and their dates. I don't see why this has to be some Hugh Jass deal. But you sure can't tell a kid in a public taxpayer-supported high school s/he's not allowed to attend his or her own high school prom.


*Gasp* How dare you suggest that the Christian students be  persecuted in such an obvious and blatant way!
 
2013-02-12 07:05:02 AM
The difference being that if you left a group of homosexuals in the wilderness they'd eventually know how to get back to civilization. Your average high school paste eater would perish and improve society.
 
2013-02-12 07:05:41 AM

PreMortem: miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?

[www.bbc.co.uk image 288x291]

Because it's easier to loathe someone else than to loathe yourself.


I'm sure a small percentage of Christians who are against gays are gay themselves and are trapped in some kind of cycle of self loathing, but that doesn't explain the vast majority of them who honestly believe that being gay is some kind of abomination because their contradictory and ludicrously outdated holy book mentions it a few times.

If they're going by Old Testament standards why aren't they for polygamy and stoning thieves and adulterers?
 
2013-02-12 07:07:28 AM

PreMortem: miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?


Because it's easier to loathe someone else than to loathe yourself.


Bingo.  They see it (and are terrified of it) in themselves & they assume that everyone MUST be like them (same feelings, same thoughts, etc) so if they don't like the way it makes them feel everyone else must feel the same.  It's stupid really but sadly enters into far too many areas of life with far too many different types of people (same disease, different symptoms)
 
2013-02-12 07:07:56 AM

BarkingUnicorn: ArkAngel: I happen to have several very good friends who are LGBTQwhateverletterstheykeepaddingontothis.

That is getting rather tedious and cumbersome.  LGTBTQIA is the latest version, I think.  And it doesn't even spell a word.  I wish they would just go with "OTHER" "MISC" to keep things simple and clear.


QUILTBAG. Queer, Uncertain, Intergender, Lesbian, Transgender, Bisexual, Asexual, Gay. (I think I got the definition of the acronym right)

Also, have these kids not heard of what happened to that school in Mississippi that tried to have a "no homos allowed" prom?
 
2013-02-12 07:09:06 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: "Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back."

Why is it the asshole Christians who most often make comments that sound so, well, gay?


they are not Christians, they are christians...
the biblical truth on the issue...
which is why they are not Christian.
 
2013-02-12 07:09:27 AM
ah, another case where the faithful completely ignore what their savior says and treat their religion like it's a buffet and we're supposed to respect whatever they put on their plates as excuses for their behavior.
 
2013-02-12 07:12:45 AM
These people are farked in the head...

We had a couple of gay couples and one trans-gendered student, who attended the prom alone, at my Senior Prom and no one batted an eye... And this was back in farking 1989.
 
2013-02-12 07:15:11 AM
Well, she's made an excellent argument of why homosexuality is wrong. I am turning in my at athiest card, handing over my dildo and putting on my pearl necklace for Jesus.
 
2013-02-12 07:15:29 AM
The happy ending to this story would be of NONE of the kids go to this "traditional" prom and instead show these upright assholes their indignation by holding an all-inclusive rave at the local lake.

Somehow, I think the ending is going to involve lawsuits and such.
 
2013-02-12 07:15:51 AM

FirstNationalBastard: BarkingUnicorn: ArkAngel: I happen to have several very good friends who are LGBTQwhateverletterstheykeepaddingontothis.

That is getting rather tedious and cumbersome.  LGTBTQIA is the latest version, I think.  And it doesn't even spell a word.  I wish they would just go with "OTHER" "MISC" to keep things simple and clear.

I say it should be LGTBBQ, because everyone loves a good BBQ.


I actually met one person who didn't like BBQ... only one.

/yes I thought they were weird too.
 
2013-02-12 07:15:51 AM
FTFA: We want to make the public see that we love the homosexuals

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.

i249.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-12 07:16:59 AM
I find it particularly distressing that this woman is involved in special education.

To start with, she has no place educating children.  And then I find myself wondering what sort of patronising schtick she regards her students with.
 
2013-02-12 07:17:47 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: I actually met one person who didn't like BBQ... only one.


Damn hippie vegans.  See, if we're gonna hate on anybody, it should be THESE "people."

:/
 
2013-02-12 07:18:45 AM
<i>A group of supporters met Sunday at the Sullivan First Christian Church, in Sullivan County, to plan a separate "traditional prom" for Sullivan High School students that would prohibit gays from attending,WTWO reported .</i>

And now any effort for this to appear school sanctioned will allow a court to quickly dismember this event based on obvious discriminatory intent and religious motivation.

Oh, and who asks a question such as "Do gays have a purpose in life?" Never heard such an argument about homosexuality and purpose... not sure why this would occur to anyone to ask and to anyone to answer in the negative.
 
2013-02-12 07:18:57 AM

WorldCitizen: Well, and Bloomington (home of Indiana University) where I live which is a very blue, liberal, over educated enclave in southern Indiana.


And it has a pretty respectable LGBT community. I recall seeing an article recently about the mayor of Bloomington officiating same-sex marriages at the end of last month contrary to IN state law. I was tempted to swing by and check out the inevitable protests/counter-protests.
 
2013-02-12 07:19:41 AM

miss diminutive: PreMortem: miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?

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Because it's easier to loathe someone else than to loathe yourself.

I'm sure a small percentage of Christians who are against gays are gay themselves and are trapped in some kind of cycle of self loathing, but that doesn't explain the vast majority of them who honestly believe that being gay is some kind of abomination because their contradictory and ludicrously outdated holy book mentions it a few times.

If they're going by Old Testament standards why aren't they for polygamy and stoning thieves and adulterers?


because they don't want anyone to get stoned.... geeze, i thought that was obvious.
 
2013-02-12 07:19:59 AM

SkunkWerks: And then I find myself wondering what sort of patronising schtick she regards her students with.


cdn.stripersonline.com

"I love those little retards!"
 
2013-02-12 07:21:09 AM

Vangor: Oh, and who asks a question such as "Do gays have a purpose in life?"


People who believe the only valid purpose in life is to squirt out babies.

Because "traditional" parents just love it when Karen comes home from the prom teen-pregnant.
 
2013-02-12 07:22:04 AM

xanadian: HindiDiscoMonster: I actually met one person who didn't like BBQ... only one.

Damn hippie vegans.  See, if we're gonna hate on anybody, it should be THESE "people."

:/


something we can all agree on... oh and bbq porn time...

cullmanbbqchallenge.com
 
2013-02-12 07:22:44 AM
OMG some people don't like gays and the spreading of aids!?! Whatever will we do? Oh, the horror.
 
2013-02-12 07:22:46 AM

Sgt Otter: "You're the REAL bigot!" It's so weird seeing a Fark cliche' in real life.  Like the bizarre, "hilarious" insulting names for Barack Obama that merely aren't funny, they make absolutely no farking sense.


You may have misread that - the quote was Dan Savage calling the hobophobic shiatweasels "Bigots," not the other way around.

FTFA: Among the supporters is Diana Medley, a special education teacher at nearby North Central Jr./Sr. High School in the Northeast School Corporation, who told WTWO she doesn't believe anyone is born gay.

If you were to chart "People who loudly and publicly insist that homosexuality is a choice" and "Straight people" as a Venn diagram, the two circles wouldn't even be on the same blackboard. Just another self-hating gay Christian.
 
2013-02-12 07:24:18 AM
As I recall, prom was a place to hang for an hour, maybe two then take your respective date somewhere much more fun and comfortable.  There were even carpools to get people back to the school if they had a curfew or their parents were picking them up.  No one actually stayed for the prom.  What I'm saying is, that whole step is expendable.
 
2013-02-12 07:24:27 AM
Sounds like a horny, ugly teacher that got turned down by a student, using a version of the 'it's not you, it's me' excuse.
 
2013-02-12 07:25:24 AM

cherryl taggart: Sounds like a horny, ugly teacher that got turned down by a student, using a version of the 'it's not you, it's me' excuse.




Wat?
 
2013-02-12 07:25:40 AM
what if you put your sperm in a sperm bank for later fertizilation purposes.  then do you have a purpose in life?
 
2013-02-12 07:25:44 AM

miss diminutive: PreMortem: miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?

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Because it's easier to loathe someone else than to loathe yourself.

I'm sure a small percentage of Christians who are against gays are gay themselves and are trapped in some kind of cycle of self loathing, but that doesn't explain the vast majority of them who honestly believe that being gay is some kind of abomination because their contradictory and ludicrously outdated holy book mentions it a few times.

If they're going by Old Testament standards why aren't they for polygamy and stoning thieves and adulterers?


This country was founded (according to the history beat into everyone's head in school) by Puritans & they've had a death grip on policy ever since....

I think that both you & PreMortem are hitting on it.  A lot of it probably has to do with generations of people being told over & over again that "good people just don't do that" by..... church leaders.  Up until very recently being a pastor, preacher, etc was one of the few socially acceptable ways for a man to remain unmarried for life & thus tended to attract both the people who did actually have a calling but also homosexuals (of course I'm painting in VERY wide brushes here but more to make a point than to debate details) who could then hide not wanting to be with a woman.  Recently (past couple of decades) it has become much more socially acceptable to 'come out' & live your life in the open.  In the same time frame there has also been a SIGNIFICANT reduction in the number of young men wanting to enter the priesthood/church.  Now it may not be 1+1=2 straight line reasoning but I feel that it is a large part of why the church ('church' as in all religions of different flavors that don't allow their priests to marry) has had such a hard time recently recruiting the next generation of priests - they don't have to go there to live a 'normal' life any longer.

/sorry for the disjointed thoughts
//hard to distill a complex issue down to a few pithy points
///especially when the coffee is brewing behind me & not IN me....
 
2013-02-12 07:26:22 AM

miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?


I'm going to guess it has a lot to do with the fact that they generally have very fearful views in general of human sexuality. It's easy for them to ignore it in the context of normal heterosexual relationships (so long as they are chaste, they don't have to think about it) but when confronted with a homosexual probably all they can think about is dirty dirty homo-sex.

Which is obviously the gays fault for being all gay and stuff.

All kidding aside - who knows?
 
2013-02-12 07:27:31 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: what if you put your sperm in a sperm bank for later fertizilation purposes.  then do you have a purpose in life?


more importantly.... does it gain interest?
 
2013-02-12 07:29:17 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: does it gain interest?


That depends.  Can you wheel it to the Prom with you?
 
2013-02-12 07:33:19 AM
FTFA: We want to make the public see that we love the homosexuals

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2013-02-12 07:33:30 AM
Wow, my f*cking head hurt reading that
 
2013-02-12 07:35:07 AM

Vodka Zombie: We need to stop letting people cloak their ignorance and bigotry in the word "traditional."

Like "patriot," when you hear it, you know that there's going to be a whole heap of stupid coming.


OMG  so very much THIS!!

/don't get me started on "family values"
 
2013-02-12 07:35:15 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Wow, my f*cking head hurt reading that


you sick bastard
 
2013-02-12 07:37:42 AM
I stopped reading articles like this, because of this one

http://jezebel.com/5975192/get-out-of-my-gay-bar-straight-girl
 
2013-02-12 07:37:46 AM
21st-century America: when the word "traditional" came to mean "homophobic."
 
2013-02-12 07:39:26 AM
As a Christian who works with young people, I want to give that church a good swift kick in the nards. I live in the Maryland/DC area, so we're pushing the envelope as it were in getting churches on board with tolerance towards the LGBT community.

It saddens me when my friends and family don't get how important this is.
 
2013-02-12 07:39:43 AM

miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?


Amen. I have been trying to figure that out for years, and can't believe the level of derp that surrounds the issue. I have lost parishioners by saying from the pulpit that the very human writers of the Bible got that wrong, and being gay is not a sin.

/tilting at windmills.
 
2013-02-12 07:40:18 AM

miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?


I think there's two main reasons:
First, there's the closet cases who are in denial about their own attractions, and rage in self-delusion.
Second and more commonly, people like to see the flaws in others rather than examine their own. Fretting about greed and envy and the like? Uhh, let's hate on other people instead.
 
2013-02-12 07:43:09 AM
www.thestranger.com

U MAD?

/mad, no
//disgusted, yes
 
2013-02-12 07:43:40 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: the biblical truth on the issue...


I've said it before, and I'll probably say it again, but I love that website... I'm a staunch atheist, but it makes me happy that at least some self-identified Christians are actually paying attention to what Christ actually said and did... If more of them did that, the world would be a whole lot better place!
 
2013-02-12 07:44:35 AM

serial_crusher: To be fair, anybody who thinks they do have a purpose in life is full of shiat.  You're not as special as you think, snowflake.


I am. My mother told me so.
 
2013-02-12 07:44:54 AM
FTFA: When asked if she thinks gays have a purpose in life, Medley said, "No I honestly don't. Sorry, but I don't. I don't understand it."

wiki.kgpi.ruestergoldberg.typepad.com

udziewczyn.pllh6.googleusercontent.com

res.ent.ifeng.comext.pimg.tw

/What people with no purpose in life might look like.
 
2013-02-12 07:47:40 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: FTFA: When asked if she thinks gays have a purpose in life, Medley said, "No I honestly don't. Sorry, but I don't. I don't understand it."


www.tugentelatina.com
 
2013-02-12 07:48:30 AM

wildcardjack: The difference being that if you left a group of homosexuals in the wilderness they'd eventually know how to get back to civilization. Your average high school paste eater would perish and improve society.


Being able to not get lost is inherent to sexual preference? I had no idea.
 
2013-02-12 07:51:05 AM

ArkAngel: They know I'm a Christian and think it's a sin, but I don't mention it, don't treat them any different, and don't reject them in any way.


Well, except for thinking they live in sin and lying to them about it, yeah. Not disingenuous at all.
 
2013-02-12 07:52:23 AM

GAT_00: Sgt Otter: dahmers love zombie: "Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back. We're not running anymore," Bill Phegley, with Carlisle Church, told WTWO.
Giggity.

So...assless chaps?

/Yes, I know it's redundant.

I should start a clothing company and market assed chaps.


They already made that movie.
 
2013-02-12 07:53:48 AM
Fluorescent Testicle: FTFA: When asked if she thinks gays have a purpose in life, Medley said, "No I honestly don't. Sorry, but I don't. I don't understand it."

Ok, what's so hard to understand? Instead of being attracted to the opposite sex, they're attracted to the same. How is this such a hard concept to grasp?
 
2013-02-12 07:54:03 AM

zombat: I stopped reading articles like this, because of this one

http://jezebel.com/5975192/get-out-of-my-gay-bar-straight-girl


So, you stopped reading because of Jezebel, eh?  Not built for endurance, are you?
 
2013-02-12 07:54:29 AM

miss diminutive: Fluorescent Testicle: FTFA: When asked if she thinks gays have a purpose in life, Medley said, "No I honestly don't. Sorry, but I don't. I don't understand it."

Ok, what's so hard to understand? Instead of being attracted to the opposite sex, they're attracted to the same. How is this such a hard concept to grasp?


"But they've never tried  my vagina!"
 
2013-02-12 07:54:50 AM

sno man: Of all the F'd up things you (America, collective) do, this, above all else, is why you can't have nice things.

/and the special ed teacher needs to be forced to find a new line of work more in keeping with her opinions and apparent lack of ability... I just can't think of anything that skill set is actually suited to...


she's already a boil on the ass of humanity.  .  .
 
2013-02-12 07:55:06 AM

Sass-O-Rev: I have lost parishioners by saying from the pulpit that the very human writers of the Bible got that wrong, and being gay is not a sin.


It's not even so much that they were necessarily wrong, but rather they were talking about something else entirely... To steal HDM's link from earlier: both Leviticus and Romans, the two most commonly cited "anti-gay" passages, are actually talking about cultic idol worship, and not condemning all homosexual relations outside of those practices...
 
2013-02-12 07:56:26 AM

macadamnut: ArkAngel: They know I'm a Christian and think it's a sin, but I don't mention it, don't treat them any different, and don't reject them in any way.

Well, except for thinking they live in sin and lying to them about it, yeah. Not disingenuous at all.


Who cares? He thinks they're sinners but doesn't treat them badly. Christianity says everyone's a sinner and don't judge. This guy's doing it right.

/not Christian
 
2013-02-12 07:58:28 AM
I met a fellow about a month and a half ago. Biblical literalist. Say's there is a prophecy involving David and the planet Mercury and a bunch of other weird stuff. Got on the subject of gays. He pointed me to Matthew 19:12 "For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother's womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven's sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it." His interpretation? This referred to gays, and he took the last sentence to mean they will be accepted into heaven, and we should accept them too. Not hate and "tolerate", but full blown accept.

Again, a BIBLICAL LITERALIST (and self described evangelist apologist) who reads this and says God was cool with gays. Nice guy. Not dangerous kooky with regard to the prophecy stuff, he seemed well intentioned.  Seemed like one of a kind though...
 
2013-02-12 08:00:51 AM

RobSeace: HindiDiscoMonster: the biblical truth on the issue...

I've said it before, and I'll probably say it again, but I love that website... I'm a staunch atheist, but it makes me happy that at least some self-identified Christians are actually paying attention to what Christ actually said and did... If more of them did that, the world would be a whole lot better place!


agreed.... it's all about context... and most don't give a shiat and cherry pick.
 
2013-02-12 08:01:16 AM

Sass-O-Rev: miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?

Amen. I have been trying to figure that out for years, and can't believe the level of derp that surrounds the issue. I have lost parishioners by saying from the pulpit that the very human writers of the Bible got that wrong, and being gay is not a sin.

/tilting at windmills.


The thing is, even if you accept it as a sin, there is no evidence that it is one of the important ones, certainly compared to things that are hammered on about for most of the new testament like helping the poor and needy, and loving thy neighbor (which Jesus basically explains means everyone else, rather than everyone like you). Of course paying attention to the actually core messages of Christ would be difficult when your basic policies are that the best way to help poor people is to take all their stuff to motivate them to not be poor, and that everyone not like you will burn in hell and deserves hate and scorn poured upon them.

If you believed in the anti-christ, it would be hard not to see right wing evangelicals as the ultimate incarnation given how they manage to claim to be Christian while being almost diametrically opposed to his positions on everything.
 
2013-02-12 08:01:40 AM

LDM90: He thinks they're sinners but doesn't treat them badly.


It's hard for most people to believe that a person who is more than happy to publicly confess that they think of gay people as "subhuman" doesn't devote at least some amount of their time in life to treating them as such.  Our actions tend to follow our thoughts.

Now, as to the matter of "can we change what this person thinks?"  No, I don't think we can.  Fortunately people like this tend to be their own worst enemy, as demonstrated here.

LDM90: This guy's doing it right.


He's a she, by the by.
 
2013-02-12 08:01:53 AM

xanadian: HindiDiscoMonster: I actually met one person who didn't like BBQ... only one.

Damn hippie vegans.  See, if we're gonna hate on anybody, it should be THESE "people."

:/


Veganism is a Learned Behavior.
 
2013-02-12 08:03:00 AM
And why is it that we consistently discount anything that comes out of "Flyover Territory?"

Because when you open your mouths you say something so incredibly ignorant and stupid it begs the question as to whether you should be allowed the weighty responsibility of telling the host at Chili's how many are in your party.
 
2013-02-12 08:03:56 AM
Some parents, students and clergy in an eastern Indiana city want a separate high school prom banning gay and lesbian students.

So go have one. I'm sure the local hotel would love to have your money.

Oh. That's not what you really want. You mean you want the community's tax dollars to be used to press your personal agenda.

Go eat a hot iron, farkwits.
 
2013-02-12 08:05:28 AM

NarrMaster: Again, a BIBLICAL LITERALIST


He didn't walk into a bar at any point in this story.  I am disappoint.

And also I lack shock that the bible can be "literally" interpreted in a plethora of different ways.  For one thing, not a lot of folk of that stripe seem to have a good grasp on what the term "literal" really means as an adjective..

4206e9.medialib.glogster.com
 
2013-02-12 08:05:37 AM
Gay dudes and gals are like special needs kids- that can get awesome drugs and into the best parties. Homosexuality- it's a choice but the toughest, sexiest choice you'll ever love.
 
2013-02-12 08:05:47 AM
Seems like this is just one group of asshole church fundies (plus the special ed lady) doing this while the school itself is being supportive and inclusive of everyone being welcome at the official prom.

For what it's worth, I knew several people from Sullivan in college and their response to this on Facebook has been a collective facepalm and "Not this shiat again."
 
2013-02-12 08:05:59 AM

dletter: As of 2007, the school has an enrollment of approximately 600 students

If you go by the various "estimates" of gays in society in general, you are looking at 30-60.


The classic 10% number was later found to be erroneously high due to sampling errors and in any case includes bisexuals, at least some of whom could be expected to be dating someone of the opposite gender at any given time, and thus would not likely be recognized as "gay" by any busybodies keeping track at the prom.
 
2013-02-12 08:06:21 AM

xria: The thing is, even if you accept it as a sin, there is no evidence that it is one of the important ones, certainly compared to things that are hammered on about for most of the new testament like helping the poor and needy, and loving thy neighbor (which Jesus basically explains means everyone else, rather than everyone like you).


25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-12 08:08:00 AM
A "traditional" prom? So, little Susie loses her virginity under the bleachers, multiple someones smuggle in booze, pot and party drugs and there are at least four fights, maybe even a drive-by on someone's house afterward?
 
2013-02-12 08:08:17 AM
Aren't all teachers in Indiana special education teachers?
 
2013-02-12 08:08:32 AM
This is an area sent volunteers that fought for the Confederacy. I'm originally from Indiana, so I'm not surprised at any backward statement that comes out of there.
 
2013-02-12 08:09:45 AM
Huh, the special ed teacher is from the same area, and has the same last name, as my wife's side of the family. These kooks might be my in-laws... damn I'm going to have to make some calls today.
 
2013-02-12 08:10:02 AM

SkunkWerks: zombat: I stopped reading articles like this, because of this one

http://jezebel.com/5975192/get-out-of-my-gay-bar-straight-girl

So, you stopped reading because of Jezebel, eh?  Not built for endurance, are you?


I can't help but agree with that article.
 
2013-02-12 08:11:45 AM

SilentStrider: "Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back."

Wait. Are we talking about Christians, or Sontarans? Or are they the same.
If so, can we whack Christians in the back of the neck to disable them?


Nope. Sontarans work with married lesbian couples.
 
2013-02-12 08:12:44 AM

KellyKellyKelly: "But they've never tried  my vagina!"


I think I love you.
 
2013-02-12 08:13:18 AM
This is going to make a great episode of Parks n Rec.
 
2013-02-12 08:13:50 AM

ArkAngel: Lionel Mandrake: "We want to make the public see that we love the homosexuals, but we don't think it's right nor should it be accepted," a student told WTWO.

"You're very existence is wrong and we do not accept who you are.  But we love you!♥!♥!♥!♥!!"

Only a person blinded by religion could find sense in this.

It depends on how you act towards them. I happen to have several very good friends who are LGBTQwhateverletterstheykeepaddingontothis. They know I'm a Christian and think it's a sin, but I don't mention it, don't treat them any different, and don't reject them in any way. Of the people in my current Pathfinder game, only one other person besides me isn't on the acronym list.


It's amazing how willful sinfulness can do amazing things like change the physical structure of the brain.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14146-gay-brains-structured-li ke -those-of-the-opposite-sex.html
 
2013-02-12 08:14:16 AM

sloshed_again: KellyKellyKelly: "But they've never tried  my vagina!"

I think I love you.


Turn back now.  No good can come of this.
 
2013-02-12 08:15:26 AM
There's a reason why Sullivan County's population has been steadily dropping for the past century.

Well, several I'm sure, but I can't imagine this is helping.
 
2013-02-12 08:15:32 AM

serial_crusher: To be fair, anybody who thinks they do have a purpose in life is full of shiat.  You're not as special as you think, snowflake.


that's one of the saddest things i've ever read. you have my sympathy.
 
2013-02-12 08:19:43 AM
cdn.ebaumsworld.com

Keep that long tradition of Prom wholesomeness.
 
2013-02-12 08:20:48 AM
death to christians

tastes like hate
 
2013-02-12 08:20:52 AM

sloshed_again: KellyKellyKelly: "But they've never tried  my vagina!"

I think I love you.


But do you love her vagina?
 
2013-02-12 08:22:09 AM

davidphogan: ultraholland: Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back.

Someone's a catcher.

/At least he uses protection.

Jesus said he loves me, but I think he was just trying to get me in bed.



The only time you really have to worry about the love Jesus offers you is if you are in a Mexican prison.
 
2013-02-12 08:23:04 AM

OtherLittleGuy: SilentStrider: "Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back."

Wait. Are we talking about Christians, or Sontarans? Or are they the same.
If so, can we whack Christians in the back of the neck to disable them?

Nope. Sontarans work with married lesbian couples.


primetime.unrealitytv.co.uk
The Sontaran Community frowns on your shenanigans.
 
2013-02-12 08:23:06 AM

serial_crusher: To be fair, anybody who thinks they do have a purpose in life is full of shiat.  You're not as special as you think, snowflake.


You can have a purpose in life, and it just does not have to be to reproduce. If you feel life is meaningless and has no purpose, then you may as well off yourself now, and save yourself years of meaningless pain
 
2013-02-12 08:23:13 AM
Just some of the idiocy from the article:

When asked if she thinks gays have a purpose in life, Medley said, "No I honestly don't. Sorry, but I don't. I don't understand it."

and

"A gay person isn't going to come up and make some change unless it's to realize that it was a choice and they're choosing God," Medley told WTWO.

Bollocks.

Gays don't have a purpose in life??? Really???

Alright class, let's review:

a. Oliver Sipple - a gay former marine who in all probability saved Pres. Gerald Ford's life
b. Alan Turing - a gay mathematician who broke one of the Nazi's most important secret codes.
c. Baynard Rustin - a gay man who organized the 1963 march on DC (where MLK made his I Have A Dream speech)
d. Desiderius Erasmus - a gay priest who was instrumental in the first publication of the New Testament (suck it, you homophobes who hide behind religion to excuse your ignorance)

and lets not even START on homosexual contributions to music, literature, and theater!

So in summary, Ms. Medley, get your head out of your ass.
 
2013-02-12 08:23:39 AM

ciberido: sloshed_again: KellyKellyKelly: "But they've never tried  my vagina!"

I think I love you.

But do you love her vagina?


wmst100fall09.files.wordpress.com

Again, this would not end well.
 
2013-02-12 08:23:58 AM

Lionel Mandrake: "We want to make the public see that we love the homosexuals, but we don't think it's right nor should it be accepted," a student told WTWO.

"You're very existence is wrong and we do not accept who you are.  But we love you!♥!♥!♥!♥!!"

Only a person blinded by religion could find sense in this.



I'm very devout...and that whole statement makes no goddamn sense to me.
 
2013-02-12 08:25:12 AM
What's with having to identify themselves?  LGBT?  Here's an idea: let's call everybody "people" and stop fixating on what they do with their private parts.
 
2013-02-12 08:25:13 AM
I would like to point out that Indiana is NOT a southern state.

Nice to see someone else get derpy for a change.
 
2013-02-12 08:25:21 AM

digitalrain: Gays don't have a purpose in life??? Really???


As a gay nihilist, I agree with the sentiment expressed by the bigoted imbecile in the article.
 
2013-02-12 08:25:23 AM
I think that having a separate prom for bigoted people is a great idea, if that's what they want. At one time in history they might have forced out gay couples, but now a minority of bigoted are self-segregating.

Besides, where would you rather go to prom-- with a large group of normal people, liberal minded people, gays and lesbians? or a much smaller group of christian conservatives?
 
2013-02-12 08:25:41 AM

KellyKellyKelly: Turn back now.  No good can come of this.


ciberido: But do you love her vagina?


Yes but don't know where to find it.
 
2013-02-12 08:26:10 AM

AdolfOliverPanties: "Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back."

Why is it the asshole Christians who most often make comments that sound so, well, gay?


It's a reference to Paul's metaphor about the Armor of God. In sermons about the Armor of God, it's very common for pastors to claim that there's no armor on there covering your back, because God never wants you to retreat. I'm not really sure about that, because that would require a study of the cultural context of the word Paul used for "breastplate," and we can't have textual criticism in church...

(It may actually refer to a bare-bones breastplate, for all I know. It may also be that Paul wasn't trying to make the metaphor that deep.)

miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?


Well, in the 2-3 places in the New Testament where it is mentioned (sort of,) it's called either a shameful symptom of human nature, or a sin on par with murder. But anyway, my understanding is that homosexuality is the designated whipping boy for Christians (yes, giggity) because if they stopped getting outraged about homosexuality, they might start having to preach sermons on the passages that talk about charity, economic justice, and self-sacrifice, and that's a tougher sell.

(Although, I have met Christians who embrace charity, economic justice, self-sacrifice, and outraged homophobia simultaneously, so it is possible.)
 
2013-02-12 08:27:25 AM

The Envoy: What's with having to identify themselves?  LGBT?  Here's an idea: let's call everybody "people" and stop fixating on what they do with their private parts.


That works well until you get into the "restroom" thingee.
 
2013-02-12 08:28:04 AM

Iamwrong: I think that having a separate prom for bigoted people is a great idea, if that's what they want. At one time in history they might have forced out gay couples, but now a minority of bigoted are self-segregating.

Besides, where would you rather go to prom-- with a large group of normal people, liberal minded people, gays and lesbians? or a much smaller group of christian conservatives?


Like separate but equal? Hmmm I wonder if someone tried that at some point in history........
 
2013-02-12 08:28:20 AM

PonceAlyosha: digitalrain: Gays don't have a purpose in life??? Really???

As a gay nihilist, I agree with the sentiment expressed by the bigoted imbecile in the article.


Say what you will about the tenets of imbecilic bigotry, at least it's an ethos.
 
2013-02-12 08:30:32 AM

Martian_Astronomer: Well, in the 2-3 places in the New Testament where it is mentioned (sort of,) it's called either a shameful symptom of human nature, or a sin on par with murder. But anyway, my understanding is that homosexuality is the designated whipping boy for Christians (yes, giggity) because if they stopped getting outraged about homosexuality, they might start having to preach sermons on the passages that talk about charity, economic justice, and self-sacrifice, and that's a tougher sell.Many people think gaysex is gross therefore it must be inherently wrong in the universe.


There we go...

Occam's Razor suggests it's nothing more complicated than that, like most people, Christians are pompous jerkwads who think their personal beliefs and tastes are more equal than anyone else's.
 
2013-02-12 08:30:59 AM
we should have a traditional prom and feed the christians to the lions, and ban racist bigots that spread hate speech for being heterosexual

religious people have no purpose in life and are retarded, kinda like many special needs children, and christians are the worst of that group, they are the special retards among the retarded

killing them is the only logical and rational choice, FOR SCIENCE!
 
2013-02-12 08:31:17 AM

EyeballKid: PonceAlyosha: digitalrain: Gays don't have a purpose in life??? Really???

As a gay nihilist, I agree with the sentiment expressed by the bigoted imbecile in the article.

Say what you will about the tenets of imbecilic bigotry, at least it's an ethos.


More of a reflex, really.

/he treats objects like men, man
 
2013-02-12 08:31:43 AM

Sass-O-Rev: miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?

Amen. I have been trying to figure that out for years, and can't believe the level of derp that surrounds the issue. I have lost parishioners by saying from the pulpit that the very human writers of the Bible got that wrong, and being gay is not a sin.

/tilting at windmills.


I would argue that the concept of "being gay" didn't really exist when the Bible was written. The Bible, particularly the Old Testament, doesn't address orientation, but behavior. Christians love to cite that ONE verse from Leviticus, but they forget about all the other verses in that chapter that talk about the same-sex behaviors that are also frowned upon. The main message of Leviticus 18 is not "gays are bad" it's "Hey men, stop screwing anything that moves and be faithful to your wives!" It gets pretty specific about not sleeping with one's mother in law, daughter in law, sister in law, or any other female you encounter. It makes sense, because that kind of behavior would destroy a community and ones marriage. The verse about same-sex relations is put at the end, meant to close a loophole by saying that sleeping with other dudes also counts as cheating.

Many of the other same-sex versus seem to be about NAMBLA type relationships that were common back then, or were again meant to counter the "it's not adultary if it's another dude" argument. Again, it wasn't targeting orientation, because that was an alien concept. Instead, it was against promiscuity and in favor of monogamy.

The way I see it, according to the Bible, being gay is no more or less sinful than being straight. It's not orientation that's the issue, but behavior.

So that could be an additional argument you could make, that these verses encourage monogamy, and in this day and age, whether gay or straight, monogamy is still a good thing. This is why I, as a Christian, am in favor of gay marriage. I like monogamy. Monogamy builds and sustains communities, and when you look at these versus from the perspective of preserving monogamy, they stop being hateful and are no longer tools used to bludgeon gays.
 
2013-02-12 08:34:42 AM

Majick Thise: My kids will not be going to a discriminatory Prom. ALL the students should be allowed to go.


My youngest son (he's 11) thinks that 'gay' is a bad word. There are kids at school who pick on him  and
ask him if he's gay and when he tells me about it, he always *bleeps* out the word 'gay'. I keeptelling him
that it isn't a bad word, that there is nothing wrong with being gay, that it's just anotherpart of who a
person is - like having brown hair or blue eyes.

It's not easy raising a tolerant kid - especially when my husband is so homophobic. Except for lesbians. He
likes lesbians. But homosexual males? Abomination.

It's one of the few areas where our beliefs are at opposition. My oh-so-old-school-Catholic husband is very
firmly in the marriage-is-one-man-one-woman camp. I believe that folks should be free to love and commit
to whom they will regardless of gender.
 
2013-02-12 08:36:57 AM

miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?


because christians are retarded and are a burden on any society, they should be removed like a cancer

diagoras.files.wordpress.com

they are just jealous because they don't have traditional gender roles like we do, and i know how this stuff really gets your motor running, :D lulz

www.fashionindie.comencrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
 
2013-02-12 08:36:59 AM

KrispyKritter: serial_crusher: To be fair, anybody who thinks they do have a purpose in life is full of shiat.  You're not as special as you think, snowflake.

that's one of the saddest things i've ever read. you have my sympathy.


In a way, Krispy is right. You don't have a purpose until you create one for yourself. There is no one-size-fits-all purpose in life we are all born into, though. All those "why are we here?" questions some people ask are pretty easy to answer if you look at it that way. "Well, why do you want to be here? Do that. That's why you're here." So yes, we all have a purpose. It just takes a while to settle on one for yourself sometimes. YMMV on that viewpoint, of course.

/my purpose is to make others happy with my culinary artwork
//and to drink as much Akvavit as possible before my liver runs away from home
///and throw the "Metallica isn't metal" grenade in metal forums
*feels special now*
 
2013-02-12 08:37:44 AM

digitalrain: my husband is so homophobic. Except for lesbians. He likes lesbians.


Well who doesn't?
 
2013-02-12 08:39:20 AM
Opinions are evil, and only the left should be allowed to have them.

I disagree with them, but still, who really cares?
 
2013-02-12 08:39:49 AM
*sigh*
Farking Indiana.
This is why you are the Mississippi of the north.
 
2013-02-12 08:40:23 AM
If you believe in evolution, then gays have no purpose in life.

If you're a creationist, then gays are fine.

The purpose of life (if you aren't religious) is procreation. Passing on superior genetic material to the next generation. If you're not going to have kids and don't believe in God, then there is no purpose for your life.
 
2013-02-12 08:41:25 AM

Thunderpipes: Opinions are evil, and only the left should be allowed to have them.

I disagree with them, but still, who really cares?


i'm not sure what you mean by any of this....
 
2013-02-12 08:41:46 AM

Point02GPA: The Envoy: What's with having to identify themselves?  LGBT?  Here's an idea: let's call everybody "people" and stop fixating on what they do with their private parts.

That works well until you get into the "restroom" thingee.


Interesting that you immediately think of restrooms when we're talking about sex and sexual orientation which have nothing to do with going to the toilet.  I understand that it's a fetish for some but it's not what I'm talking about.
 
2013-02-12 08:42:08 AM

Bullseyed: If you believe in evolution, then gays have no purpose in life.


If you believe evolution has a purpose, then you don't understand evolution very well.
 
2013-02-12 08:42:42 AM

bronyaur1: ... in related news, Indiana is a redneck shiathole.


Fark you!
 
2013-02-12 08:42:44 AM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: *feels special now*


And you should.
 
2013-02-12 08:42:50 AM
Bullseyed:
The purpose of life (if you aren't religious) is procreation. Passing on superior genetic material to the next generation. If you're not going to have kids and don't believe in God, then there is no purpose for your life.

but my raid guild needs a healer...
 
2013-02-12 08:43:31 AM

The Envoy: Point02GPA: The Envoy: What's with having to identify themselves?  LGBT?  Here's an idea: let's call everybody "people" and stop fixating on what they do with their private parts.

That works well until you get into the "restroom" thingee.

Interesting that you immediately think of restrooms when we're talking about sex and sexual orientation which have nothing to do with going to the toilet.  I understand that it's a fetish for some but it's not what I'm talking about.


I don't know what he's talking about either.  I'm fairly sure everyone uses their privates in restrooms more or less exactly the same way.
 
2013-02-12 08:43:42 AM

Recoil Therapy: This country was founded (according to the history beat into everyone's head in school) by Puritans & they've had a death grip on policy ever since....


Yeah about that. The Puritans weren't who they're often portrayed as. If you want back to the Pilgrims and those who came right after you'd have found people who loved their beer, loved to sing and yeah they liked their dancing. The anti-fun brigade didn't come til later. It was in part the work of men like Jonathan Edwards and others who lead the Great Revival. They, as many since, portrayed the present as spoiled and those who came before as the ideal. Keep in mind in the Massachusetts Bay Colony you could find tons of premarital sex and no one cared. If a woman got pregnant as long as she was married before she gave birth the child was not considered a bastard and there was no social stigma to her pregnancy. And this is how it had been for a while, certainly well before Edwards showed up. Of course then you flash forward to the 1800s and you get another revival, which again declares those who came in the past as morally superior. Along the way you get this stuff being written into folk lore and what's called common wisdom. Thing is, if you'd have walked up to someone in Plymouth in 1640 and railed against alcohol, they'd have thought you were touched in the head. The evils of dancing? Hope you enjoy your social ostracism. And as for the founding fathers, they loved their booze, their dancing and teh sexing. Hell Benjamin Franklin belonged to a sex club, and this wasn't exactly a secret.
 
2013-02-12 08:43:44 AM
The best thing about that article is that it actually told you where the story came from - SULLIVAN, Ind
more internet articles need to do that.
 
2013-02-12 08:44:10 AM

I drunk what: miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?

because christians are retarded and are a burden on any society, they should be removed like a cancer

they are just jealous because they don't have traditional gender roles like we do, and i know how this stuff really gets your motor running, :D lulz


i50.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-12 08:44:42 AM
I went to school at Indiana State.  Sullivan is about as rural as it gets in Indiana.  This doesn't surprise me in the least.
When the only thing your county is known for is the biggest speed trap on Highway 41, it should tell you that this part of the Hoosier State isn't know for intelligence or culture.
 
2013-02-12 08:45:00 AM
Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back.

So if you disagree with a hateful christian asshole, just stab him in the face with a butcher knife then?

/So many xians, so few lions
 
2013-02-12 08:46:48 AM
I certainly hope that the "good" prom also excludes people who eat shellfish and wear mixed fibers.

Because if I recall correctly, the Bible forbids those just as strongly (if not more so) as it does homosexuality.
 
2013-02-12 08:47:30 AM

Zeno-25: ArkAngel: Lionel Mandrake: "We want to make the public see that we love the homosexuals, but we don't think it's right nor should it be accepted," a student told WTWO.

"You're very existence is wrong and we do not accept who you are.  But we love you!♥!♥!♥!♥!!"

Only a person blinded by religion could find sense in this.

It depends on how you act towards them. I happen to have several very good friends who are LGBTQwhateverletterstheykeepaddingontothis. They know I'm a Christian and think it's a sin, but I don't mention it, don't treat them any different, and don't reject them in any way. Of the people in my current Pathfinder game, only one other person besides me isn't on the acronym list.

It's amazing how willful sinfulness can do amazing things like change the physical structure of the brain.

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn14146-gay-brains-structured-li ke -those-of-the-opposite-sex.html


Thanks for the article link.  I sent it to the special ed teacher via her email, which Dan Savage provided in his blog.  You saved me having to hunt for something.  Farkers rock.
 
2013-02-12 08:48:55 AM

Thunderpipes: who really cares?


nobody does, you've already lost
 
2013-02-12 08:49:14 AM
"We don't agree with [homosexuality], and it's offensive to us," she said

So how fat is she?  She has to be at least two people's worth of mass to use the royal "we", at least in Indiana.
 
2013-02-12 08:51:12 AM

The Envoy: Point02GPA: The Envoy: What's with having to identify themselves?  LGBT?  Here's an idea: let's call everybody "people" and stop fixating on what they do with their private parts.

That works well until you get into the "restroom" thingee.

Interesting that you immediately think of restrooms when we're talking about sex and sexual orientation which have nothing to do with going to the toilet.  I understand that it's a fetish for some but it's not what I'm talking about.



I beg your pardon...you mentioned sex in a restroom, not me. I responded to "what they do with their private

 parts".
 
2013-02-12 08:52:04 AM
Are they going to go entirely traditional, and ban blacks as well?  Racial integration was a break from "tradition" in Indiana in 1949.  And the argument they are using to ban gays is a carbon-copy of the one they used pre-1949 to ban blacks.
 
2013-02-12 08:52:51 AM

Somacandra: Earpj: My son might wear a dress to such a prom. He's straight, but outspoken.

Cool. Also, chicks in tuxes are HOT.


Guy and gal both dressed like guys is a nono, however. Anything goes but that.
 
2013-02-12 08:52:56 AM

Thunderpipes: Opinions are evil, and only the left should be allowed to have them.


ThunderDerp strikes again!
 
2013-02-12 08:54:28 AM
Christian groups minister to people in prison all the time. They know the inmates have committed crimes but they still care about their welfare, without accepting or condoning the crimes they committed.
They don't agree with their lifestyle but they love them anyway. These are good Christian values. And yet still people have a problem
 
2013-02-12 08:54:28 AM

Point02GPA: I responded to "what they do with their private

parts".


...in the "restroom thingee"

Like I said, unless they've got completely different ways of relieving themselves, I'm fairly sure gay folk use their privates in restroom thingees exactly the same way we do.

So why does "not worrying about what people do with their privates" stop working out well once you've gone to the loo?
 
2013-02-12 08:56:14 AM

doubled99: Christian groups minister to people in prison all the time. They know the inmates have committed crimes but they still care about their welfare, without accepting or condoning the crimes they committed.
They don't agree with their lifestyle but they love them anyway. These are good Christian values. And yet still people have a problem


Moral of this story: Gay People = Convicted Criminals.

You're right.  No idea why people might take issue with that at all.
 
2013-02-12 08:56:33 AM
I was not allowed to take my much-older boyfriend to the prom, so I didn't go. Came out as gay 11 years later.
 
2013-02-12 08:56:56 AM
They're banning those smelly Muslims too, aren't they?

and, I'd give serious consideration on whether or not they want to associate with Hindus, Buddhists, or those holier-than-thou Jews.
 
2013-02-12 08:56:57 AM

SkunkWerks: Point02GPA: I responded to "what they do with their private

parts".

...in the "restroom thingee"

Like I said, unless they've got completely different ways of relieving themselves, I'm fairly sure gay folk use their privates in restroom thingees exactly the same way we do.

So why does "not worrying about what people do with their privates" stop working out well once you've gone to the loo?


Gay men use the womens loo?
 
2013-02-12 08:58:05 AM

Point02GPA: Gay men use the womens loo?


*blink*
 
2013-02-12 08:59:23 AM

doubled99: Christian groups minister to people in prison all the time. They know the inmates have committed crimes but they still care about their welfare, without accepting or condoning the crimes they committed.
They don't agree with their lifestyle but they love them anyway. These are good Christian values. And yet still people have a problem


I don't think anyone has a problem with groups of people who actually do their best to live up to the values Jesus Christ expected from his followers.  do unto others as you would have them do unto you.  love thy neighbor.  feed the hungry.  heal the sick.  all good stuff, nobody has any problem with people who go out and try to do that each and ever day.

the problem is when you run into people who decide to lump in the old testament with the new.  then you've got problems.  Christ himself said the old testament was done and over with.  if you wanted to be his follower, you had to put the old testament away and only follow the new book(s) written by and/or christ approved.  Evangelicals tho...they really REALLY like that old time religion.
 
2013-02-12 08:59:25 AM

Earpj: My son might wear a dress to such a prom. He's straight, but outspoken.

We live in Middle of Nowhere, Texas. Oddly enough, our high school is very accepting.


My male friend wore a dress to our prom about 17 years ago. Nobody cared.
 
2013-02-12 08:59:42 AM

Thunderpipes: Opinions are evil, and only the left should be allowed to have them.

I disagree with them, but still, who really cares?


Look at how stupid this stupid guy is.
 
2013-02-12 08:59:56 AM

SkunkWerks: Point02GPA: Gay men use the womens loo?

*blink*


Wink!
 
2013-02-12 09:00:20 AM

NOLA_farkette: *sigh*
Farking Indiana.
This is why you are the Mississippi of the north.


Again, you all are making the classic "Star Trek Convention" mistake. Local media covers nerd convention, shows the only 300 lb kid wearing Spock ears and working communicator pin.

Just because the one you see making an ass of themselves on TV is X, does *not* mean all of 'em are.

\assholes are equal opportunity, and thanks to open state borders are now *everywhere*
\\ I still want to know WTH happened to Indiana lately
\\\If you're in Louisiana, you *might not* want to throw all those stones
 
2013-02-12 09:01:59 AM

Point02GPA: The Envoy: Point02GPA: The Envoy: What's with having to identify themselves?  LGBT?  Here's an idea: let's call everybody "people" and stop fixating on what they do with their private parts.

That works well until you get into the "restroom" thingee.

Interesting that you immediately think of restrooms when we're talking about sex and sexual orientation which have nothing to do with going to the toilet.  I understand that it's a fetish for some but it's not what I'm talking about.


I beg your pardon...you mentioned sex in a restroom, not me. I responded to "what they do with their private

 parts".


Interesting that you are now thinking about "sex in restrooms" when I made no such connection beyond noting that you think about restrooms when the subject of sex, sexual orientation and private parts is the topic under discussion.  I was talking explicitly about sexual orientation and how we should just call people "people", regardless of how they utilise their private parts and with whom.  Your response was to imply that this would somehow cause a problem when it comes to people going to the toilet when the two are separate - except, apparently, in your mind.
 
2013-02-12 09:02:53 AM
Well her life is pretty much over. Pray hard, lady.
 
2013-02-12 09:03:52 AM
Sterelize the teacher - leave the gays and Spec Ed folks alone.
 
2013-02-12 09:04:04 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Iamwrong: I think that having a separate prom for bigoted people is a great idea, if that's what they want. At one time in history they might have forced out gay couples, but now a minority of bigoted are self-segregating.

Besides, where would you rather go to prom-- with a large group of normal people, liberal minded people, gays and lesbians? or a much smaller group of christian conservatives?

Like separate but equal? Hmmm I wonder if someone tried that at some point in history........


If I was throwing a party at my house and someone said "kick out that gay couple or I'm leaving," then that person is going to leave. Nobody is forcing them to leave the real prom. If they want to have their own "Christian values" prom to ease the butthurt, go ahead.
 
2013-02-12 09:06:07 AM

soporific: I would argue that the concept of "being gay" didn't really exist when the Bible was written.


You would be wrong.  At the time Paul was writing, "androkoites" was the common term for homosexual.  When Jesus spoke of "eunuchs who were born so from their mother's womb" (Matthew 19:12 Lamsa), that was the term of the day for what we would today call a "homosexual or asexual" man, who who from bith had no sexual attraction towards women.

The people living in Biblical times were not stupid or naive.  They understood that there were men who had never had any sexual attraction towards women, and they had words for such people.  And yes, they also had the concept that some people are born gay.
 
2013-02-12 09:06:50 AM

The Envoy: Point02GPA: The Envoy: Point02GPA: The Envoy: What's with having to identify themselves?  LGBT?  Here's an idea: let's call everybody "people" and stop fixating on what they do with their private parts.

That works well until you get into the "restroom" thingee.

Interesting that you immediately think of restrooms when we're talking about sex and sexual orientation which have nothing to do with going to the toilet.  I understand that it's a fetish for some but it's not what I'm talking about.


I beg your pardon...you mentioned sex in a restroom, not me. I responded to "what they do with their private

 parts".

Interesting that you are now thinking about "sex in restrooms" when I made no such connection beyond noting that you think about restrooms when the subject of sex, sexual orientation and private parts is the topic under discussion.  I was talking explicitly about sexual orientation and how we should just call people "people", regardless of how they utilise their private parts and with whom.  Your response was to imply that this would somehow cause a problem when it comes to people going to the toilet when the two are separate - except, apparently, in your mind.


It's cool calling people people. Men normally take their "private parts" to men's restrooms...women normally take their privet parts to "women's restrooms".
 
2013-02-12 09:08:00 AM

Point02GPA: It's cool calling people people. Men normally take their "private parts" to men's restrooms...women normally take their privet parts to "women's restrooms".


i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-12 09:09:30 AM

SkunkWerks: Point02GPA: It's cool calling people people. Men normally take their "private parts" to men's restrooms...women normally take their privet parts to "women's restrooms".

[i.imgur.com image 100x100]


It is getting good watching you too.
 
2013-02-12 09:10:34 AM

Point02GPA: It's cool calling people people. Men normally take their "private parts" to men's restrooms...women normally take their privet parts to "women's restrooms".


What privet parts may look like:

www.dpi.nsw.gov.au
Not sure why you'd make a point of taking them to a restroom, though.
 
2013-02-12 09:10:36 AM
I can remember when the prom was for the students not for a bunch of screaming right wing bigots.
 
2013-02-12 09:11:58 AM

Earpj: My son might wear a dress to such a prom. He's straight, but outspoken.

We live in Middle of Nowhere, Texas. Oddly enough, our high school is very accepting.


He sounds Hot.
 
2013-02-12 09:11:59 AM

The Envoy: Point02GPA: The Envoy: Point02GPA: The Envoy: What's with having to identify themselves?  LGBT?  Here's an idea: let's call everybody "people" and stop fixating on what they do with their private parts.

That works well until you get into the "restroom" thingee.

Interesting that you immediately think of restrooms when we're talking about sex and sexual orientation which have nothing to do with going to the toilet.  I understand that it's a fetish for some but it's not what I'm talking about.


I beg your pardon...you mentioned sex in a restroom, not me. I responded to "what they do with their private

 parts".

Interesting that you are now thinking about "sex in restrooms" when I made no such connection beyond noting that you think about restrooms when the subject of sex, sexual orientation and private parts is the topic under discussion.  I was talking explicitly about sexual orientation and how we should just call people "people", regardless of how they utilise their private parts and with whom.  Your response was to imply that this would somehow cause a problem when it comes to people going to the toilet when the two are separate - except, apparently, in your mind.


You're changing your words around. Point02GPA was merely saying that we can't just call people "people" when it comes to public restrooms. Unless you are suggesting that men and women can use the same restroom.

Private parts aren't merely sexual organs, they are also waste elimination organs. Point02 pointed out that "people" need separate bathrooms and you jumped all over his shiat screaming about how he was thinking about sexual organs when he said no such thing.
 
2013-02-12 09:14:25 AM

purdeyisa10: I can remember when the prom was for the students not for a bunch of screaming right wing bigots.


They're fighting a culture war, you see. Local loudmouths like the women in the article enjoy some small victories, but in general culture is completely unfazed and is well positioned to humble anyone dumb enough to think they can stop the tide.
 
2013-02-12 09:14:30 AM

Lionel Mandrake: "We want to make the public see that we love the homosexuals, but we don't think it's right nor should it be accepted," a student told WTWO.

"You're very existence is wrong and we do not accept who you are.  But we love you!♥!♥!♥!♥!!"

Only a person blinded by religion could find sense in this.





With Love like this, who needs HATE?!?!


Seriously, it just sounds like a bunch of pious asshats who found a way to spew hate while pretending to love one another as their sky wizard demands.

I guess they think their god is dumb since they think this will fool him. Any god worth his sacrificial virgins would see through this ruse in a second.
 
2013-02-12 09:14:54 AM

WhyteRaven74: Recoil Therapy: This country was founded (according to the history beat into everyone's head in school) by Puritans & they've had a death grip on policy ever since....

Yeah about that. The Puritans weren't who they're often portrayed as.....


Oh, I agree with you (thus the 'according to the history...' disclaimer), it's just that there have been several generations/centuries of people in positions to do so creating an alternate viewpoint of history that more conforms to their beliefs.  It may just be slight changes each time/generation but over time, as more & more people who were actually there die off & can't refute it any longer, it becomes the accepted reality.  Over enough time though those changes add up to become the new reality.  Factor in as well that up until just a little while ago (a few decades at most), information counter to what was being taught was hard to come by.  With no internet information was primarily available through schools & libraries.  It wasn't too hard for those with an agenda to push (especially in rural areas) to limit what was taught/what books were purchased.

Just imagine what the Special Ed teacher in this story is telling the kids in her classes what 'reality' is.  If many other people in similar positions hold the same views & tell their classes the same things it becomes easy to see how something completely wrong can become the accepted reality over time.
 
2013-02-12 09:15:44 AM
Look out, the church will want stonings and genocide, next thing you know.
 
2013-02-12 09:17:08 AM

serial_crusher: To be fair, anybody who thinks they do have a purpose in life is full of shiat.  You're not as special as you think, snowflake.


Pfft.  I have a purpose in life - to enjoy myself.

\one's life can have whatever purpose one chooses
\\or none at all
 
2013-02-12 09:17:29 AM

doubled99: Christian groups minister to people in prison all the time. They know the inmates have committed crimes but they still care about their welfare, without accepting or condoning the crimes they committed.
They don't agree with their lifestyle but they love them anyway. These are good Christian values. And yet still people have a problem



This is about discrimination. I'm not going to try and guess you motivations for trying to frame it as a mere difference of opinion but that doesn't mean I will let your comment slide either. If you are a public school teacher you need to at  a minimum keep your hurtful opinions private and out of the public light.
 
2013-02-12 09:18:35 AM

soporific: So that could be an additional argument you could make, that these verses encourage monogamy, and in this day and age, whether gay or straight, monogamy is still a good thing. This is why I, as a Christian, am in favor of gay marriage. I like monogamy. Monogamy builds and sustains communities, and when you look at these versus from the perspective of preserving monogamy, they stop being hateful and are no longer tools used to bludgeon gays.


I think you could make an even stronger argument that the Old Testament encourages polygamy far more than it encourages monogamy.

As for Leviticus, I don't see how anyone can take anything from that specific book seriously. There are entire chapters and verses on how to properly sacrifice an animal and talks about masturbation and how women are essentially unclean while on their periods and after childbirth. It's ludicrous.
 
2013-02-12 09:18:43 AM

miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?


They're afraid that homosexuality is going to sneak in the back door.

\apparently, there's no armor back there...
 
2013-02-12 09:19:37 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Not sure why you'd make a point of taking them to a restroom, though.


Might make it smell better?

*shrug*

Still trying to wrap my head around someone who apparently believes that sexual orientation dictates which restroom people use.
 
2013-02-12 09:20:19 AM

ristst: I would like to point out that Indiana is NOT a southern state.

Nice to see someone else get derpy for a change.


Yeah, but it is pretty southern in mentality.  Southern Indiana had a lot of volunteers for the Confederacy during the Civil War, and it was also a huge center for the rise of the modern KKK.

I live in Louisville, on the IN/KY border, and a few years ago I went to play paint ball in southern Indiana, and they had posted a large Confederate flag with "The South Will Rise Again" on it.  The irony was tough to get out of my head the rest of the day.
 
2013-02-12 09:24:22 AM
Hey churchies, why don't you keep yourselves busy with your  church instead of making demands for the local high school to conform to what your church wants?  This is why everyone treats you like a pack of busy bodies with nothing productive to do.
 
2013-02-12 09:25:34 AM
jdhj2:
He sounds Hot.

Ewww..he's 14.

Tho, the little girls seem to like him. He is, of course, oblivious.
 
2013-02-12 09:26:05 AM
Aw man...Sullivan, IN? That's where my father was born and raised. My grandfather owned the news stand in the town square. Spent some time there growing up, but hadn't been back for almost 30 years.  When I was very young, I remember it having that wholesome small town feel. When I was there 2 years ago for my grandfather's funeral, it looked like the poster child of the dying American Main Street. And apparently it's a white trash shiat-hole as well.
 
2013-02-12 09:27:37 AM
As a heterosexual man and a Hoosier who lives very close to Sullivan I am a little ashamed but not surprised by this. I for one love BLTG's. I mean bacon makes everything better.
 
2013-02-12 09:27:48 AM

SkunkWerks: Vegan Meat Popsicle: Not sure why you'd make a point of taking them to a restroom, though.

Might make it smell better?

*shrug*

Still trying to wrap my head around someone who apparently believes that sexual orientation dictates which restroom people use.


"shoulder roll"
 
2013-02-12 09:28:05 AM

ultraholland: GAT_00: I should start a clothing company and market assed chaps.

There are many good companies that already make pants. You should market frontless shirts.


Or just asses for chaps.  Call em ChapFlaps.
 
2013-02-12 09:29:29 AM

Point02GPA: "shoulder roll"


"halter top"
 
2013-02-12 09:30:14 AM

Qaiwolf: Call em ChapButtFlaps.


FIFTY.
 
2013-02-12 09:31:07 AM

SkunkWerks: Point02GPA: "shoulder roll"

"halter top"


"assed chaps"
 
2013-02-12 09:31:09 AM

Point02GPA: It's cool calling people people. Men normally take their "private parts" to men's restrooms...women normally take their privet parts to "women's restrooms".


Exactly.  It's interesting that you apparently now feel ashamed of your fetishistic feelings.  I apologise for making you feel that way, that was not my intention.  So, we are in agreement then?  We can ditch all nomenclature around orientation because people are just people regardless of what they do with their private parts (and now their garden shrubbery - my what a diverse range of fetishes you have!) and to whom they do it to.

Excellent!
 
2013-02-12 09:31:14 AM

Point02GPA: SkunkWerks: Point02GPA: I responded to "what they do with their private

parts".

...in the "restroom thingee"

Like I said, unless they've got completely different ways of relieving themselves, I'm fairly sure gay folk use their privates in restroom thingees exactly the same way we do.

So why does "not worrying about what people do with their privates" stop working out well once you've gone to the loo?

Gay men use the womens loo?


I'm a straight woman and I've used the men's loo plenty of times. The lines are much shorter, if they exist at all. Never had a problem, either. Also, no one asks if they can "borrow" my lip gloss, so that's a huge bonus right there.
 
2013-02-12 09:32:20 AM

miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?


I believe there exists a core group of self-loathing repressed gays in Christianity. They focus their conflict externally to avoid facing their true nature. This is seen as pious and devout and which leads more church members to follow their lead. They seem SO sure that teh gheys are evil that their confidence inspires followers.

The self-loathers then receive positive attention for their efforts and double down. A positive feedback loop is formed. Soon you have "good christian folks" taking their hate and disguising it as "tough love".
 
2013-02-12 09:32:32 AM

The Envoy: Point02GPA: It's cool calling people people. Men normally take their "private parts" to men's restrooms...women normally take their privet parts to "women's restrooms".

Exactly.  It's interesting that you apparently now feel ashamed of your fetishistic feelings.  I apologise for making you feel that way, that was not my intention.  So, we are in agreement then?  We can ditch all nomenclature around orientation because people are just people regardless of what they do with their private parts (and now their garden shrubbery - my what a diverse range of fetishes you have!) and to whom they do it to.

Excellent!


About par for you.
 
2013-02-12 09:32:47 AM

Point02GPA: SkunkWerks: Point02GPA: "shoulder roll"

"halter top"

"assed chaps"


"bushy mustache"
 
2013-02-12 09:34:50 AM

SkunkWerks: Point02GPA: SkunkWerks: Point02GPA: "shoulder roll"

"halter top"

"assed chaps"

"bushy mustache"


"lip gloss"
 
2013-02-12 09:39:58 AM

Point02GPA: The Envoy: Point02GPA: The Envoy: Point02GPA: The Envoy: What's with having to identify themselves?  LGBT?  Here's an idea: let's call everybody "people" and stop fixating on what they do with their private parts.

That works well until you get into the "restroom" thingee.

Interesting that you immediately think of restrooms when we're talking about sex and sexual orientation which have nothing to do with going to the toilet.  I understand that it's a fetish for some but it's not what I'm talking about.


I beg your pardon...you mentioned sex in a restroom, not me. I responded to "what they do with their private

 parts".

Interesting that you are now thinking about "sex in restrooms" when I made no such connection beyond noting that you think about restrooms when the subject of sex, sexual orientation and private parts is the topic under discussion.  I was talking explicitly about sexual orientation and how we should just call people "people", regardless of how they utilise their private parts and with whom.  Your response was to imply that this would somehow cause a problem when it comes to people going to the toilet when the two are separate - except, apparently, in your mind.

It's cool calling people people. Men normally take their "private parts" to men's restrooms...women normally take their privet parts to "women's restrooms".


that's sexual discrimination! why don't you take your racist bigotry somewhere else, your posts taste like hate

you are exactly the reason why we must slaughter all the christians republican tea baggers

vote democrat, FOR SCIENCE!

it's the only logical rational moral natural choice
 
2013-02-12 09:40:59 AM
Christian groups minister to people in prison all the time. They know the inmates have committed crimes but they still care about their welfare, without accepting or condoning the crimes they committed.
They don't agree with their lifestyle but they love them anyway. These are good Christian values. And yet still people have a problem


This is about discrimination. I'm not going to try and guess you motivations for trying to frame it as a mere difference of opinion but that doesn't mean I will let your comment slide either. If you are a public school teacher you need to at  a minimum keep your hurtful opinions private and out of the public light.



So any opinions that might "hurt" others should be kept to yourself? Okay.
 
2013-02-12 09:42:03 AM

miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?


Reposted for relevance...

Top Ten Reasons to Make Gay Marriage Illegal

01) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.

02) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

03) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

04) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all like many of the principles on which this great country was founded; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.

05) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of marriages like Britney Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.

06) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.

07) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

08) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.

09) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.

10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; we could never adapt to new social norms. Just like we haven't adapted to cars, the service-sector economy, or longer life spans.

Leviticus 19:10 And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the LORD your God.


Which seems to point to Yahweh being down with welfare and assisting folks in need.

Leviticus 19:14 Thou shalt not curse the deaf, nor put a stumblingblock before the blind, but shalt fear thy God: I am the LORD.

Yahweh seems to be down with helping the handicapped too.

Leviticus 19:16 Thou shalt not go up and down as a talebearer among thy people: neither shalt thou stand against the blood of thy neighbour; I am the LORD.

So, apparently, lying and telling tales is not approved of, and that communities should stand together. Not just the pale people or the brown people, but all y'all's people...

Leviticus 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.

Guess wishing death and terribleness on your neighbors is out too. How many Democrats or Libertarians or Scientologist you think live in your neighborhoods?

Leviticus 19:18 Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Gee. Love thy neighbor. Nor on the children of your people. Whuddathunkit?

And, of course, there is something about immigrants that is completely ignored by the rabid Christian nationalists...

Leviticus 19:33 And if a stranger sojourn with thee in your land, ye shall not vex him.

Leviticus 19:34 But the stranger that dwelleth with you shall be unto you as one born among you, and thou shalt love him as thyself; for ye were strangers in the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.

Does that mean we can end this ridiculousness about trying to repeal the 14th Amendment, since Leviticus was down with that sort of thing LONG before the Founding Fathers or Lincoln?

Or if we have to throw out Leviticus as being outdated, does this mean we can toss out the whole hating the gheys thing too?

You can almost hear the gears grinding and popping in the audience...

Gay Lib. Now interestingly, here is an attempt by a hooked down and kind of persecuted minority to insist on their place rightfully, and their treatment rightfully, without it having anything to do with ethnic or religion or anything! It's really an exciting separate part of liberation. ...Sometimes we, if we're younger, we react to that in a way that we've been schooled. Then you kinda get your chops, and you get things okay and you understand and it's all right to be able to talk about that. Here's what I mean. The word "homosexual," many people who aren't in the position to having to decide this, they wonder:

"Is homosexuality... Is it normal? Is it natural? I ask you. Is it normal or natural? Is it unnatural and abnormal?"

Now those two words seem to revolve around it. Now let's look at those words for what they are...

"Natural." Hey. Means "according to nature." Is it according to nature? Well...probably not in the strictest sense because nature didn't presuppose it. Nature only gave us one set of sexual apparatus. A girl's got something for the guys, a guy's got something for the girls. As it is now, a homosexual is forced to "share" the apparatus that the opposite sex is using on this person. Certainly if nature was in command there'd have two sets of goodies. So nature was not ready. We leaped past nature again in our sociological development, way down the road ahead of nature.

Is it normal? Normal? Well what's "normal?" Well, let's see.. if you're standing in a room, stripped, and it's dark, and you're hugging a person and loving them and rubbing them up and down, and they're rubbing you, and you're rubbing together and suddenly the light goes on and it's the same sex, you've been trained to go

"AAIIIAUUGGGAIIIAEAAHHHHHHHH!"

But if felt okayy.... So maybe it was normal without being natural..."

Ultimately, it's an issue that gets folks press. It gets dollars in hands, but it is a short term gain. It is about stunting, and in party a martyr complex that NEEDS to be fed. Folks feel "persecuted" feel special. It is a kind of attention getting that isn't real healthy, but then again basing "hate" for folks on the basis of who they aren't sleeping with isn't exactly sensical...
 
2013-02-12 09:42:42 AM

Fluorescent Testicle: Sgt Otter: "You're the REAL bigot!" It's so weird seeing a Fark cliche' in real life.  Like the bizarre, "hilarious" insulting names for Barack Obama that merely aren't funny, they make absolutely no farking sense.

You may have misread that - the quote was Dan Savage calling the hobophobic shiatweasels "Bigots," not the other way around.

FTFA: Among the supporters is Diana Medley, a special education teacher at nearby North Central Jr./Sr. High School in the Northeast School Corporation, who told WTWO she doesn't believe anyone is born gay.

If you were to chart "People who loudly and publicly insist that homosexuality is a choice" and "Straight people" as a Venn diagram, the two circles wouldn't even be on the same blackboard. Just another self-hating gay Christian.


If you think being gay is a choice obviously you think you could wake one morning and think "Well, that's enough vagina for a bit. Let's try penis for a bit"

/not you you
/the indefinate you
 
2013-02-12 09:42:45 AM

miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?


Because they're envious of those who had the courage to get out of the closet.
 
2013-02-12 09:44:42 AM

SkunkWerks: Point02GPA: It's cool calling people people. Men normally take their "private parts" to men's restrooms...women normally take their privet parts to "women's restrooms".

[i.imgur.com image 100x100]


I know that without a little attention to grooming, a woman's pubic hair can get a bit bushy, but likening it to a hedge is a bit much.
 
2013-02-12 09:45:03 AM

Point02GPA: SkunkWerks: Point02GPA: SkunkWerks: Point02GPA: "shoulder roll"

"halter top"

"assed chaps"

"bushy mustache"

"lip gloss"


"monk's crown"
 
2013-02-12 09:45:16 AM
I drunk what

If your first stupid comment didn't get any bites, the dignified thing (well, relatively speaking) would be to just let it go and take a break from the thread. Nobody likes a desperate troll.
 
2013-02-12 09:46:12 AM

doubled99: Christian groups minister to people in prison all the time. They know the inmates have committed crimes but they still care about their welfare, without accepting or condoning the crimes they committed.
They don't agree with their lifestyle but they love them anyway. These are good Christian values. And yet still people have a problem


This is about discrimination. I'm not going to try and guess you motivations for trying to frame it as a mere difference of opinion but that doesn't mean I will let your comment slide either. If you are a public school teacher you need to at  a minimum keep your hurtful opinions private and out of the public light.


So any opinions that might "hurt" others should be kept to yourself? Okay.


Yes, if you work in a school you are expected to be respectful to the students.
 
2013-02-12 09:47:03 AM

Point02GPA: The Envoy: Point02GPA: The Envoy: What's with having to identify themselves?  LGBT?  Here's an idea: let's call everybody "people" and stop fixating on what they do with their private parts.

That works well until you get into the "restroom" thingee.

Interesting that you immediately think of restrooms when we're talking about sex and sexual orientation which have nothing to do with going to the toilet.  I understand that it's a fetish for some but it's not what I'm talking about.


I beg your pardon...you mentioned sex in a restroom, not me. I responded to "what they do with their private

 parts".


And that's why you're being questioned.  Last time I checked, everyone - regardless of sexual orientation - defecates out of their anus, and urinates from their urethra.  That fact that you think 'teh gheys' are doing something different makes you a tard.
 
2013-02-12 09:48:38 AM

Biological Ali: the dignified thing


IDW does not do the dignified thing.

IDW likes to refer to himself in the third person.
 
2013-02-12 09:49:15 AM
"Gays have no purpose in life"  upload.wikimedia.org

Well, apparently other than defeating the Nazis and saving thousands if not millions of lives, but don't let facts stand in the way of your ideological ranting, ma'am.
(Pic- Alan Turing)
 
2013-02-12 09:49:20 AM

miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?



They believe homosexuality is a sin
They believe you will burn in hell for being a homosexual
They believe homosexuality is a choice
They are worried that the prevelance of gay people is society will make their own children more likley to be homosexual
They are terrified that their own kids will become homosexuals and burn in hell for all of eternity
 
2013-02-12 09:53:44 AM

jaylectricity: You're changing your words around. Point02GPA was merely saying that we can't just call people "people" when it comes to public restrooms. Unless you are suggesting that men and women can use the same restroom.


Heaven forbid.  I'm pretty happy not having to wait in that long line at the women's restroom...
 
2013-02-12 09:55:26 AM

Biological Ali: I drunk what

If your first stupid comment didn't get any bites, the dignified thing (well, relatively speaking) would be to just let it go and take a break from the thread. Nobody likes a desperate troll.


which comment are you referring to as "stupid"? since the only stupid comments i see in this thread that aren't getting any responses are yours :D

i guess you have an irrational fear of homosexuality and that is the reason why you need to insult those of us that care about civil rights, do you also hate colored too? or just the LBGT ones?

take your republican christian trolling somewhere else we don't like bigoted hate speech here
 
2013-02-12 09:56:40 AM
Bullseyed: If you believe in evolution, then gays have no purpose in life.

Really? Did it ever occur to you that homosexuality might be an evolved trait? Even though homosexuals might not pass on their own genes (which they often do), they might help others with very similar genes (siblings, for instance) pass on theirs.

Sometimes, kids need foster parents.

If you're a creationist, then gays are fine.

The purpose of life (if you aren't religious) is procreation. Passing on superior genetic material to the next generation. If you're not going to have kids and don't believe in God, then there is no purpose for your life.


Several trillion ants, bees, and termites disagree with you.
 
2013-02-12 09:57:31 AM

jaylectricity: You're changing your words around. Point02GPA was merely saying that we can't just call people "people" when it comes to public restrooms. Unless you are suggesting that men and women can use the same restroom.


No, I'm not.  My entire point, from inception up until now, has been around sexual orientation (and how we label it), the acceptance of which is the very subject of TFA and TFT, yes?  Toilet habits have nothing to do with sexual orientation.  You both have read what I typed and understandably, given your apparent similarity in the fetish department, have conflated the two.  It's not a problem my friend.  To reiterate, what people do with their privates and with whom is simply irrelevant.  I will add a caveat here to avoid any further misunderstandings:  I am of course talking about sex among consenting adults.

I am not "suggesting" anything dear boy, men and women, CAN and DO use the same restrooms everywhere in the word:

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=clubs+with+unisex+bathrooms+lo nd on&fb=1&gl=uk&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=clubs+unisex+bathrooms+nyc&ie= UT F-8&ei=4FMaUa3oMuOK0AWf94CoBg&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAg

http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&sugexp=les%3B&gs_rn=2&gs_ri=serp &t ok=Q9-BQRhBC0yz53HSc9S1wA&pq=clubs+unisex+bathrooms+nyc&cp=34&gs_id=15 0&xhr=t&q=clubs+unisex+bathrooms+Los+Angeles&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_q f.&bvm=bv.42261806,d.d2k&biw=1600&bih=754&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl

Sadly, your incredulousness about this can only signify that you're ashamed of yourself and/or your body's natural functions to such a degree that sharing a bathroom seems to be such a crazy idea.  Maybe this is why you're single?  I only assume you are because any couple that's been together for a period of time shares the bathroom.  If you're not then kudos to your partner for helping you try to overcome your shame.  It will all be ok in the end.

Private parts aren't merely sexual organs, they are also waste elimination organs. Point02 pointed out that "people" need separate bathrooms and you jumped all over his shiat screaming about how he was thinking about sexual organs when he said no such thing.

I'm afraid I can't see any hint of "jumping on shiat" (although I consider myself very broad-minded, the jumping aspect of the coprophilia scene remains unknown to me) or even "screaming".  Where do you get this impression from?  I merely stated that his linking of the two was interesting.  You're understandably very defensive.  I'm not here to judge.
 
2013-02-12 09:58:40 AM

SkunkWerks: Biological Ali: the dignified thing

IDW does not do the dignified thing.

IDW likes to refer to himself in the third person.


i don't who this "IDW" is but i heard we booted his arse out a long time ago, so if you have a beef with that person maybe you should try and find someone else that gives a fark, because i disagree with anything that moran says, which is why i got this free TF membership, (and a cool  white shiny plastic helmet, though i can't see anything in this thing)
 
2013-02-12 10:01:03 AM

I drunk what: i don't who this "IDW" is


IDW accidentally the whole IDW.
 
2013-02-12 10:01:03 AM
Point02GPA:  About par for you.

Somebody's a little bit sensitive!  Look, I was clearly talking about sexual orientation and you start chucking about "restrooms" chat.  It's irrelevant and incorrect: unisex bathrooms are commonplace.  I poke a little bit of fun and you get all pissy about it.  Maybe all those late nights hanging around in restrooms have made you cranky?
 
2013-02-12 10:03:40 AM

The Envoy: Point02GPA:  About par for you.

Somebody's a little bit sensitive!  Look, I was clearly talking about sexual orientation and you start chucking about "restrooms" chat.  It's irrelevant and incorrect: unisex bathrooms are commonplace.  I poke a little bit of fun and you get all pissy about it.  Maybe all those late nights hanging around in restrooms have made you cranky?


Why would your hanging around in restrooms make me cranky?
 
2013-02-12 10:05:30 AM
I drunk what

You really need to take some pointers from some of this site's regular trolls - show up in a thread early (if possible, before it's even posted to the main site), make one concise comment, and then leave.

I mean, ideally you shouldn't be trolling at all, but if you're intent on wasting your time on it anyway, at least do it right.
 
2013-02-12 10:07:33 AM
I keep hoping that by the time I have kids and they're old enough to run into this sort of thing, that the bigots will all have died off, or been put in nursing homes or whatnot... but unfortunately, they seem to be raising their children to be the same way. :-/
 
2013-02-12 10:08:00 AM

Point02GPA: Why would your hanging around in restrooms make me cranky?


Because I keep turning you down.
 
2013-02-12 10:08:33 AM
What, no LeTrole yet? Somebody call the fire dept. up to his place, probably got stuck to the toilet seat again.
 
2013-02-12 10:09:13 AM

Robert Farker: miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?


They believe homosexuality is a sin
They believe you will burn in hell for being a homosexual
They believe homosexuality is a choice
They are worried that the prevelance of gay people is society will make their own children more likley to be homosexual
They are terrified that their own kids will become homosexuals and burn in hell for all of eternity


You have to understand that they MUST believe that homosexuality is a choice IF they believe that it condemns you to hell.  No testimony or science will be allowed in their minds other than a gay person CHOOSES to be gay.

Otherwise God is condemning someone for being the way He created them, which would make God a dick.

So the choice fundamentalists like this face is to reject everything that queers and scientists tell them about sexuality or reject what their churches are telling them, or realize that they are worshiping an asshole.

It is much easier to hang on to the "gays are choosing to sin" argument than to turn over all your belief structures - especially when your family and community as a whole are backing up the church arguments.
 
2013-02-12 10:11:57 AM

FoxKelfonne: I keep hoping that by the time I have kids and they're old enough to run into this sort of thing, that the bigots will all have died off, or been put in nursing homes or whatnot... but unfortunately, they seem to be raising their children to be the same way. :-/


Actually they haven't very successful at that. Most young folks these days do not hate 'teh gheys'. Actually it's getting to the point that if the bigots would just turn around and notice that nobody is behind them anymore this would all go away pretty quickly.
 
2013-02-12 10:12:00 AM

The Envoy: Point02GPA: Why would your hanging around in restrooms make me cranky?

Because I keep turning you down.



I poke a little bit of fun and you get all pissy about it.
 
2013-02-12 10:16:11 AM

Point02GPA: The Envoy: Point02GPA: Why would your hanging around in restrooms make me cranky?

Because I keep turning you down.

I poke a little bit of fun and you get all pissy about it.


Sorry, I thought watersports were your thing!  Am I ever embarrassed.
 
2013-02-12 10:16:13 AM

Biological Ali: I drunk what

You really need to take some pointers from some of this site's regular trolls - show up in a thread early (if possible, before it's even posted to the main site), make one concise comment, and then leave.

I mean, ideally you shouldn't be trolling at all, but if you're intent on wasting your time on it anyway, at least do it right.


i can't believe you are being serious?  are you ACTUALLY saying that someone who stands up for LGBT rights is TROLL?!? do you realize where you are posting at???

next thing you know, you're gunna try and say that not believing in invisible sky wizards is "trolling" :D lulz, you are a sad sad troll

encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com

anyways, thanks for your tips on how to be troll, since you are obviously very good at it, but no thanks i'm not a troll, i'm the genuine article, i'm just sorry to see that people like you don't take civil rights as seriously as the rest of us do, good luck with your hate speech crusade

maybe someday you can overcome your irrational fear of things you don't understand

get a science book and educate yourself
 
2013-02-12 10:17:05 AM
We love you but we don't want you at our prom - go away? You decided to be gay? Really? Does that mean that all straight people have gay feelings but decide to be straight? Christians are wearing armor and fighting? Wow, when did Jesus do THAT? I better go re-read my new testament...
 
2013-02-12 10:17:43 AM

roadmarks: Robert Farker: miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?


They believe homosexuality is a sin
They believe you will burn in hell for being a homosexual
They believe homosexuality is a choice
They are worried that the prevelance of gay people is society will make their own children more likley to be homosexual
They are terrified that their own kids will become homosexuals and burn in hell for all of eternity

You have to understand that they MUST believe that homosexuality is a choice IF they believe that it condemns you to hell.  No testimony or science will be allowed in their minds other than a gay person CHOOSES to be gay.

Otherwise God is condemning someone for being the way He created them, which would make God a dick.

So the choice fundamentalists like this face is to reject everything that queers and scientists tell them about sexuality or reject what their churches are telling them, or realize that they are worshiping an asshole.

It is much easier to hang on to the "gays are choosing to sin" argument than to turn over all your belief structures - especially when your family and community as a whole are backing up the church arguments.



That is an important point.
One thing that is a choice, is what parts of the Bible, if any, to follow. I hold each Christian personally responsable for their own opinions. It is their choice and I refuse to let them hide behind what is in the Bible because they are the ones who chose what parts to follow.
 
2013-02-12 10:19:59 AM

I drunk what: i can't believe you are being serious?


Seriously.
 
2013-02-12 10:26:53 AM

GAT_00: AirForceVet: /I am SO embarrassed by some Christians.
//I am SO happy I'm Episcopalian and that we accept GLBTs as Jesus' children too.

As I often point out, and as seems to be true here as well, these people are speaking for the majority, not the minority.  This is the Christian majority speaking proudly about how they think the world should look.


THIS cannot be overstated.
 
2013-02-12 10:27:39 AM
Well, I believe subby may be a special needs kid.  Why ampersands in sentences?  Why?
 
2013-02-12 10:32:26 AM

jaylectricity: I met a teenager from Indiana on AOL once. He was a nice kid. He was pretending he was a girl, but whatever, I could see past that.

Kept talking about moving away from that place. He also said I had a "cool" voice. Last I talked to him, I wrote to him on AIM and somebody wrote, "Who is this?" I already forgot what I wrote back, but I've never contacted that screen name again. And trust me, I really tried to remember how I worded it. It was something like, "Somebody who enjoys talking to whoever uses this screen name."



2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-12 10:39:22 AM
Sigh. What ever happened to the teaching of the verse "judge not, lest ye be judged"

I believe that free will is a gift from our creator. Weather it be the big bang, Jesus, or the FSM. It is not our place to dictate how others live their life. But what is mandated is that Christians seek to be Christlike. Following the tenants of love peace patience kindness self controll etc regardless of which set of genitals someone prefers.

Bigotry, hatred, intolerance, and ignorance are far more harmful than a couple dudes or chicks going to a dance together.
 
2013-02-12 10:47:07 AM

GAT_00: Sgt Otter: dahmers love zombie: "Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back. We're not running anymore," Bill Phegley, with Carlisle Church, told WTWO.
Giggity.

So...assless chaps?

/Yes, I know it's redundant.

I should start a clothing company and market assed chaps.


I believe those are called "pants"
 
2013-02-12 10:54:35 AM
 I drunk what

Look, I realize that you're being ignored in this thread and that I'm pretty much the only poster to have even tangentially acknowledged your existence, but responding to me (or, in general, anybody who knows better than to take you seriously) is just poor form. Even the other trolls on this website won't stoop so low as to respond to people who know they're trolling.

But I can see that even posts like these may be giving you a false sense of encouragement, as you seem to be responding to them as though they were "bites", so I'll stop. I certainly hope you will too.
 
2013-02-12 10:55:54 AM

cynicalbastard: Well, apparently other than defeating the Nazis and saving thousands if not millions of lives, but don't let facts stand in the way of your ideological ranting, ma'am.


The invocation of "facts" implies that she was lying.

I would like to propose an alternative explanation.

She may simply be a barely literate, ill-educated land cow who confuses her personal biases and intentionally narrow understanding of the world around her with a sensible ethos.
 
2013-02-12 10:57:35 AM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: land cow


As opposed to, say, a manatee?
 
2013-02-12 10:59:16 AM

fknra: GAT_00: Sgt Otter: dahmers love zombie: "Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back. We're not running anymore," Bill Phegley, with Carlisle Church, told WTWO.
Giggity.

So...assless chaps?

/Yes, I know it's redundant.

I should start a clothing company and market assed chaps.

I believe those are called "pants"


Ya think?!
 
2013-02-12 11:10:25 AM

WhyteRaven74: BTW the federal courts ruled that you can't exclude gay students from prom way back in 1980. So trying to pull any shenanigans is going to make a federal judge very ill tempered.


That ruling applies to public high schools, not churches.
 
2013-02-12 11:14:38 AM
Christian groups minister to people in prison all the time. They know the inmates have committed crimes but they still care about their welfare, without accepting or condoning the crimes they committed.
They don't agree with their lifestyle but they love them anyway. These are good Christian values. And yet still people have a problem


This is about discrimination. I'm not going to try and guess you motivations for trying to frame it as a mere difference of opinion but that doesn't mean I will let your comment slide either. If you are a public school teacher you need to at  a minimum keep your hurtful opinions private and out of the public light.


So any opinions that might "hurt" others should be kept to yourself? Okay.

Yes, if you work in a school you are expected to be respectful to the students.



Then how will they ever get help for their problem?
 
2013-02-12 11:17:31 AM

doubled99: Christian groups minister to people in prison all the time. They know the inmates have committed crimes but they still care about their welfare, without accepting or condoning the crimes they committed.
They don't agree with their lifestyle but they love them anyway. These are good Christian values. And yet still people have a problem


This is about discrimination. I'm not going to try and guess you motivations for trying to frame it as a mere difference of opinion but that doesn't mean I will let your comment slide either. If you are a public school teacher you need to at  a minimum keep your hurtful opinions private and out of the public light.


So any opinions that might "hurt" others should be kept to yourself? Okay.

Yes, if you work in a school you are expected to be respectful to the students.


Then how will they ever get help for their problem?



They can only help themselves by being more open mined about people with different sexual orientations.
 
2013-02-12 11:21:22 AM

doubled99: Then how will they ever get help for their problem?


Dunno, ask Alan Turing.
 
2013-02-12 11:27:28 AM

The Envoy: Point02GPA: The Envoy: Point02GPA: Why would your hanging around in restrooms make me cranky?

Because I keep turning you down.

I poke a little bit of fun and you get all pissy about it.

Sorry, I thought watersports were your thing!  Am I ever embarrassed.


With your perverted personality, I can understand why you're always embarrassed.
 
2013-02-12 11:27:31 AM

Earpj: My son might wear a dress to such a prom. He's straight, but outspoken.

We live in Middle of Nowhere, Texas. Oddly enough, our high school is very accepting.


I'm a first generation Texan who grew up in small town Texas.  The funny thing about Texas is that they get a bad wrap for being fundie bigots.  Honestly most of the people in the town I grew up that were that way were transplants from the North that considered themselves Texans.  My family as well.  The most racist, homophobic people I know are my relatives in Pennsylvania.

The true Texans are much more libertarian than anything.  They have the attitude "Don't tell me how to live my live and I won't tell you how to live yours".  They don't care if you are gay, straight, black, white, or green.
 
2013-02-12 11:31:02 AM

Point02GPA: With your my perverted personality, I can understand why you're always embarrassed.


FTFY.
 
2013-02-12 11:41:50 AM
k4mi:
The true Texans are much more libertarian than anything.  They have the attitude "Don't tell me how to live my live and I won't tell you how to live yours".  They don't care if you are gay, straight, black, white, or green.

True. My friends who grew up here, are very liberal Democrats.
 
2013-02-12 11:54:28 AM

The Envoy: Point02GPA: With your my perverted personality, I can understand why you're always embarrassed.

FTFY.


I poke a little fun at you, and you get all word changing.
 
2013-02-12 11:59:22 AM

Point02GPA: I poke a little fun at you, and you get all word changing awesome.


Thanks man, that's sweet of you.
 
2013-02-12 12:06:20 PM

zombat: I stopped reading articles like this, because of this one

http://jezebel.com/5975192/get-out-of-my-gay-bar-straight-girl


Wow.  If that had been "Get out of my straight bar, lesbo", Fark would have been all up in arms.
 
2013-02-12 12:20:50 PM
Dear christians: You are more than welcome to put on your hate prom at your church without using any public funds. You do not get to dictate public school policy.
 
2013-02-12 12:28:13 PM
The Envoy    I poke a little fun at you, and you get all word changing awesome.

Thanks man, that's sweet of you.


The bar for lame posts has been raised, I see.
 
2013-02-12 12:28:39 PM

The Envoy: Point02GPA: I poke a little fun at you, and you get all word changing awesome.

Thanks man, that's sweet of you.


Nice of you to notice.
 
2013-02-12 12:32:11 PM

AirForceVet: FTA: "There's no way to stop the haters at Sullivan High School from holding an independent prom for the special bigoted kids," he wrote. "But here's what we can do: we can make a noise so loud enough that all the queer kids at Sullivan High School hear it. Those kids need to know that there are people -- a lot of people -- who think this (expletive) is wrong."

Well, the first sentence sums up the real issue. Those who hate gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgenders are going to hold a private party someplace because they hate anyone that's different. Their churches, parents and friends support and enable their hatred.

/I am SO embarrassed by some Christians.
//I am SO happy I'm Episcopalian and that we accept GLBTs as Jesus' children too.


I'm ok you're ok
 
2013-02-12 12:40:44 PM
I went to high school in Mississippi. I am a girl and I went to prom with a lesbian. I'm not a lesbian. So...if you carry the two and square it and solve for x...does that count as gehys going to prom? Or 1/2 gays? I'm terrible at maths.

So wth IN??? Mississippi didn't give one flying fark that day.

/no, I unfortunately didn't get any that night
//kidding
///kidding?
 
2013-02-12 12:47:04 PM

megarian: I went to high school in Mississippi. I am a girl and I went to prom with a lesbian. I'm not a lesbian. So...if you carry the two and square it and solve for x...does that count as gehys going to prom? Or 1/2 gays? I'm terrible at maths.

So wth IN??? Mississippi didn't give one flying fark that day.

/no, I unfortunately didn't get any that night
//kidding
///kidding?


what a coincidence, i'm not gay either, but my boyfriend is a flaming queen

who has fabulous style, btw, and a cute butt
 
2013-02-12 12:49:28 PM

I drunk what: megarian: I went to high school in Mississippi. I am a girl and I went to prom with a lesbian. I'm not a lesbian. So...if you carry the two and square it and solve for x...does that count as gehys going to prom? Or 1/2 gays? I'm terrible at maths.

So wth IN??? Mississippi didn't give one flying fark that day.

/no, I unfortunately didn't get any that night
//kidding
///kidding?

what a coincidence, i'm not gay either, but my boyfriend is a flaming queen

who has fabulous style, btw, and a cute butt


My girlfriend has a great rack.

...I forgot where I was going with this.
 
2013-02-12 12:51:04 PM

SkunkWerks: As opposed to, say, a manatee?


No, as opposed to a sea whale.

Du-uh.
 
2013-02-12 12:55:03 PM
I am a lesbian, trapped in a robot, trapped in a man-boys body. So prom wasn't an issue.
 
2013-02-12 12:57:45 PM

jdredd: I am a lesbian, trapped in a robot, trapped in a man-boys body. So prom wasn't an issue.


That's a shame. You for sure would have been the best dancer at the prom.
 
2013-02-12 01:01:44 PM

hubiestubert: miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?

Reposted for relevance...

Top Ten Reasons to Make Gay Marriage Illegal

01) Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.

02) Gay marriage will encourage people to be gay, in the same way that hanging around tall people will make you tall.

03) Legalizing gay marriage will open the door to all kinds of crazy behavior. People may even wish to marry their pets because a dog has legal standing and can sign a marriage contract.

04) Straight marriage has been around a long time and hasn't changed at all like many of the principles on which this great country was founded; women are still property, blacks still can't marry whites, and divorce is still illegal.

05) Straight marriage will be less meaningful if gay marriage were allowed; the sanctity of marriages like Britney Spears' 55-hour just-for-fun marriage would be destroyed.

06) Straight marriages are valid because they produce children. Gay couples, infertile couples, and old people shouldn't be allowed to marry because our orphanages aren't full yet, and the world needs more children.

07) Obviously gay parents will raise gay children, since straight parents only raise straight children.

08) Gay marriage is not supported by religion. In a theocracy like ours, the values of one religion are imposed on the entire country. That's why we have only one religion in America.

09) Children can never succeed without a male and a female role model at home. That's why we as a society expressly forbid single parents to raise children.

10) Gay marriage will change the foundation of society; ...


tl;dr

christians are retarded racist bigots

autostraddle.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com
 
2013-02-12 01:08:13 PM
megarian:That's a shame. You for sure would have been the best dancer at the prom.

No one did appreciate my interpretation of the Butt Scootin' Boogie.
 
2013-02-12 01:13:01 PM
I drunk what


You're a  bigot as well, just with a more socially acceptable target.
 
2013-02-12 01:13:27 PM

jdredd: megarian:That's a shame. You for sure would have been the best dancer at the prom.

No one did appreciate my interpretation of the Butt Scootin' Boogie.


I just spit vodka coffee on my phone.

Thanks for the sticky touchscreen*, jerk.

*giggidy
 
2013-02-12 01:16:31 PM

doubled99: I drunk what


You're a  bigot as well, just with a more socially acceptable target.


i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-12 01:18:05 PM

Generation_D: WorldCitizen: dugitman: bronyaur1: ... in related news, Indiana is a redneck shiathole.

Well, and Bloomington (home of Indiana University) where I live which is a very blue, liberal, over educated enclave in southern Indiana.

Only when compared to the rest of Indiana.


Very blue but, we've got loads of Tea-tards, too.  This is Shower's Plaza, right?  Great to be part of a meme.

farm4.staticflickr.com
 
2013-02-12 01:20:39 PM

doubled99: I drunk what


You're a  bigot as well, just with a more socially acceptable target.


I'm OK you're OK

/except that i'm less retarded
//cause i understand Science
 
2013-02-12 01:26:06 PM
/except that i'm less retarded
//cause i understand Science



heh.
I'm sure you do. And math and history, too. but isn't it recess for you right now?
 
2013-02-12 01:31:30 PM
SkunkWerks:
i.imgur.com

sure are a lot of butt hurt republican christians teabaggers out today, i wish they would take their hate speech somewhere else, i like coming to fark to hear what intelligent FREE THINKERS have to say, and not have to listen to the bigotry dogma from the conservative fundamentalist creationists

the least they could do is not be hyporcrites, didn't "Jesus" say not to judge people?  if you are going to create an imaginary prophet, the least you could do is pretend to actually follow the rules YOU made up *rolls eyes*

special needs children
 
2013-02-12 01:32:23 PM

doubled99: /except that i'm less retarded
//cause i understand Science


heh.
I'm sure you do. And math and history, too. but isn't it recess for you right now?


Hmmm *clicks IDW's profile*

doubled99 you may have a point....
 
2013-02-12 01:36:27 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Dallymo: "Gays have no purpose in life"

Well, they make you feel pretty superior...you'd probably have a pretty tough time with that if they weren't around.

Dipshiat.

Egocentric.  The woman says God puts people in her life for a purpose.  I've no doubt the purpose  is to help her qualify for Heaven. The special ed kids serve her purpose. Gays do not. Other people's purposes don't matter.  It's all about her.


Maybe the gay kids were put in her life to help her understand what a coont she is. She should pay closer attention.
 
2013-02-12 01:38:24 PM

Nurglitch: SkunkWerks: zombat: I stopped reading articles like this, because of this one

http://jezebel.com/5975192/get-out-of-my-gay-bar-straight-girl

So, you stopped reading because of Jezebel, eh?  Not built for endurance, are you?

I can't help but agree with that article.


The public accommodation laws apply to people you don't like.  They even apply to the Irish!
 
2013-02-12 01:39:03 PM

megarian: I drunk what: megarian: I went to high school in Mississippi. I am a girl and I went to prom with a lesbian. I'm not a lesbian. So...if you carry the two and square it and solve for x...does that count as gehys going to prom? Or 1/2 gays? I'm terrible at maths.

So wth IN??? Mississippi didn't give one flying fark that day.

/no, I unfortunately didn't get any that night
//kidding
///kidding?

what a coincidence, i'm not gay either, but my boyfriend is a flaming queen

who has fabulous style, btw, and a cute butt

My girlfriend has a great rack.

...I forgot where I was going with this.


d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net
 
2013-02-12 01:40:04 PM

megarian: doubled99: /except that i'm less retarded
//cause i understand Science


heh.
I'm sure you do. And math and history, too. but isn't it recess for you right now?

Hmmm *clicks IDW's profile*

doubled99 you may have a point....


Naturally
 
2013-02-12 01:44:07 PM

CheapEngineer: megarian: I drunk what: megarian: I went to high school in Mississippi. I am a girl and I went to prom with a lesbian. I'm not a lesbian. So...if you carry the two and square it and solve for x...does that count as gehys going to prom? Or 1/2 gays? I'm terrible at maths.

So wth IN??? Mississippi didn't give one flying fark that day.

/no, I unfortunately didn't get any that night
//kidding
///kidding?

what a coincidence, i'm not gay either, but my boyfriend is a flaming queen

who has fabulous style, btw, and a cute butt

My girlfriend has a great rack.

...I forgot where I was going with this.


Okay.

http://mobile.alternet.org/alternet/#!/entry/the-science-behind-why-e v erybody-loves-them,507f6177d7fc7b56701ec34e

Btw that was a great google search.
 
2013-02-12 01:45:13 PM

I drunk what: megarian: doubled99: /except that i'm less retarded
//cause i understand Science


heh.
I'm sure you do. And math and history, too. but isn't it recess for you right now?

Hmmm *clicks IDW's profile*

doubled99 you may have a point....

Naturally


No hate on you. Your profile gives me lulz. No snark intended.
 
2013-02-12 01:54:29 PM

dahmers love zombie: "Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back. We're not running anymore," Bill Phegley, with Carlisle Church, told WTWO.
Giggity.


... WHAT FIGHT?!?!? Gay and lesbian couples just want to be able to enjoy the prom without being singled out and persecuted!

And how did I know the Christian church was involved?
 
2013-02-12 01:59:21 PM

megarian: No hate on you.


i'm ok you're ok :D

megarian: Your profile gives me lulz.


i'm glad somebody gets the joke, i just wish the trolls like Biological Ali would find something better to do with their time :(

megarian: No snark intended.


welcometofark.jpg ;)
 
2013-02-12 02:03:28 PM

I drunk what: megarian: No hate on you.

i'm ok you're ok :D

megarian: Your profile gives me lulz.

i'm glad somebody gets the joke, i just wish the trolls like Biological Ali would find something better to do with their time :(

megarian: No snark intended.

welcometofark.jpg ;)


I just te'heed IRL.
 
2013-02-12 02:05:21 PM

metal_gear: dahmers love zombie: "Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back. We're not running anymore," Bill Phegley, with Carlisle Church, told WTWO.
Giggity.

... WHAT FIGHT?!?!? Gay and lesbian couples just want to be able to enjoy the prom without being singled out and persecuted!

And how did I know the Christian church was involved?


How do you know it's raining when drops of water are falling from the sky?
 
2013-02-12 02:15:14 PM

I drunk what: killing them is the only logical and rational choice, FOR SCIENCE!


Whenever you post like this, you force my brain to read everything you write in Cave Johnson's voice...

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"Science isn't about why, it's about why not. You ask: why is so much of our science dangerous? I say: why not marry safe science if you love it so much! In fact, why not invent a special safety door that won't hit you in the butt on the way out, because you are fired!"
 
2013-02-12 02:23:15 PM
megarian:That's a shame. You for sure would have been the best dancer at the prom.
jdredd: No one did appreciate my interpretation of the Butt Scootin' Boogie.
megarian: I just spit vodka coffee on my phone.
Thanks for the sticky touchscreen*, jerk.
*giggidy


If I only had such sticky skills in other areas. But alas, my robot spirit forbids it.
 
2013-02-12 02:24:46 PM
I sincerely hope that a group of students and parents protest this shiat very farking loudly. Make it so damn uncomfortable that these shiatstains can never pull something like this again. Godfarkingdamn. If I lived there I think I'd go hand out 'how to not be an asshole' posters in the parking lot or something.
 
2013-02-12 02:25:59 PM

RobSeace: Whenever you post like this


shouldn't you have me on your ignore list? i coulda swore you were warned

but hey, it's a free country, feel free to debate me if you want

just bear in mind that we are borg The Intelligent Brigade, resistance is futile you will be assimilated

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of course if you start pointing out what complete idiots we are we'll have your ass censored-banned, your choice pal
 
2013-02-12 02:43:10 PM

ciberido: OtherLittleGuy: SilentStrider: "Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back."

Wait. Are we talking about Christians, or Sontarans? Or are they the same.
If so, can we whack Christians in the back of the neck to disable them?

Nope. Sontarans work with married lesbian couples.

[primetime.unrealitytv.co.uk image 450x253]
The Sontaran Community frowns on your shenanigans.


Unimpressed by your frowing:

static.hypable.com
 
2013-02-12 03:19:20 PM
Christians have always been prepared for a fight. Jesus gave us armor for the front, not the back.
I've spent five years of my life trying to invent an anal bum cover, failing to do so is my greatest regret.
 
2013-02-12 03:45:12 PM

megarian: CheapEngineer: megarian: I drunk what: megarian: I went to high school in Mississippi. I am a girl and I went to prom with a lesbian. I'm not a lesbian. So...if you carry the two and square it and solve for x...does that count as gehys going to prom? Or 1/2 gays? I'm terrible at maths.

So wth IN??? Mississippi didn't give one flying fark that day.

/no, I unfortunately didn't get any that night
//kidding
///kidding?

what a coincidence, i'm not gay either, but my boyfriend is a flaming queen

who has fabulous style, btw, and a cute butt

My girlfriend has a great rack.

...I forgot where I was going with this.

Okay.

http://mobile.alternet.org/alternet/#!/entry/the-science-behind-why-e v erybody-loves-them,507f6177d7fc7b56701ec34e

Btw that was a great google search.


people.csail.mit.edu
 
2013-02-12 04:13:37 PM

Surool: Dear christians: You are more than welcome to put on your hate prom at your church without using any public funds. You do not get to dictate public school policy.


That's exactly what they want to do. Rtfa
 
2013-02-12 04:22:20 PM

THX 1138: I certainly hope that the "good" prom also excludes people who eat shellfish and wear mixed fibers.

Because if I recall correctly, the Bible forbids those just as strongly (if not more so) as it does homosexuality.


I only eat gay shellfish while wearing mixed fibers.  Just to be safe.
 
2013-02-12 04:22:48 PM

doubled99: The Envoy    I poke a little fun at you, and you get all word changing awesome.

Thanks man, that's sweet of you.

The bar for lame posts has been raised, I see.


Don't worry, I'm nowhere near challenging you yet.  As an aside, I find it hilarious that someone so vehemently homophobic is so butt-hurt all the time!
 
2013-02-12 04:25:43 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Point02GPA: SkunkWerks: Point02GPA: I responded to "what they do with their private

parts".

...in the "restroom thingee"

Like I said, unless they've got completely different ways of relieving themselves, I'm fairly sure gay folk use their privates in restroom thingees exactly the same way we do.

So why does "not worrying about what people do with their privates" stop working out well once you've gone to the loo?

Gay men use the womens loo?

I'm a straight woman and I've used the men's loo plenty of times. The lines are much shorter, if they exist at all. Never had a problem, either. Also, no one asks if they can "borrow" my lip gloss, so that's a huge bonus right there.


Hey, can I borrow your lip gloss?
 
2013-02-12 04:28:54 PM

ciberido: THX 1138: I certainly hope that the "good" prom also excludes people who eat shellfish and wear mixed fibers.

Because if I recall correctly, the Bible forbids those just as strongly (if not more so) as it does homosexuality.

I only eat gay shellfish while wearing mixed fibers.  Just to be safe.


c11045744.r44.cf2.rackcdn.com
God hates Shrimp !!

I shall smite these sinners with my tongue.  And there shall be much wailing and gnashing of teeth, well.... cries of "yummy!" and chewing, at least.
 
2013-02-12 04:33:41 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Surool: Dear christians: You are more than welcome to put on your hate prom at your church without using any public funds. You do not get to dictate public school policy.

That's exactly what they want to do. Rtfa


At no point in the article (or the source article) does it state the Bigot's Ball would definitely be held off-campus, and that they'd fund it 100% privately. Also absent is any reference to this being a prom for bigoted sh*tbags.
 
2013-02-12 04:42:02 PM

THX 1138: I certainly hope that the "good" prom also excludes people who eat shellfish and wear mixed fibers.

Because if I recall correctly, the Bible forbids those just as strongly (if not more so) as it does homosexuality.


You recall incorrectly.  Old Testament God says male-on-male homosexuality is punishable by death (Leviticus 20:13), whereas shellfish are considered unclean (Leviticus 11:10) but there's no prescribed punishment for eating them.
 
2013-02-12 04:52:45 PM

Zarquon's Flat Tire: If you think being gay is a choice obviously you think you could wake one morning and think "Well, that's enough vagina for a bit. Let's try penis for a bit"

/not you you
/the indefinate you


Dan Savage has a standing offer to prove homosexuality is a choice.
 
2013-02-12 04:59:55 PM

RobSeace: I drunk what: killing them is the only logical and rational choice, FOR SCIENCE!

Whenever you post like this, you force my brain to read everything you write in Cave Johnson's voice...

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"Science isn't about why, it's about why not. You ask: why is so much of our science dangerous? I say: why not marry safe science if you love it so much! In fact, why not invent a special safety door that won't hit you in the butt on the way out, because you are fired!"


Just don't mention the lemons.
 
2013-02-12 05:04:55 PM

ciberido: Zarquon's Flat Tire: If you think being gay is a choice obviously you think you could wake one morning and think "Well, that's enough vagina for a bit. Let's try penis for a bit"

/not you you
/the indefinate you

Dan Savage has a standing offer to prove homosexuality is a choice.


Isn't there a big market for "gay for pay" porn? (Look, I just know about it because they mentioned it on Law and Order once, okay?)
I'd say that counts as proof.  I agree that it would be more entertaining if it starred Herman Cain, but I wouldn't hold my breath on him ever releasing those tapes.
 
2013-02-12 05:05:30 PM

ciberido: Zarquon's Flat Tire: If you think being gay is a choice obviously you think you could wake one morning and think "Well, that's enough vagina for a bit. Let's try penis for a bit"

/not you you
/the indefinate you

Dan Savage has a standing offer to prove homosexuality is a choice.


THIS^

yuuuup  and James Randi has an offer to prove the existence of supernatural

but i wouldn't hold my breath, lulz religious people are so stupid

everyone knows that homosexuality is natural and that free will is an illusion so they have no choice in the matter

but it is morally good and natural to be gay, so there's that

haters gunna hate.jpg
 
2013-02-12 05:14:55 PM

miss diminutive: Honestly, I don't understand the reasoning behind the hatred many Christians hold towards the gay community. Why do they take this one issue, which is hardly mentioned outside the Old Testament, and make it into a rallying point? They already dismiss and disregard so much of what's written in the bible, why does homosexuality take front seat?


Because it's the only sin they're unlikely to commit.
 
2013-02-12 05:40:11 PM

pciszek: The classic 10% number was later found to be erroneously high due to sampling errors and in any case includes bisexuals...


So that figure couldn't possibly be erroneously LOW since in 1948 an admission of homosexuality commonly lead to your life being utterly destroyed, or even incarceration?

Yeah, that 10% figure is Kinsey's and it dates to 1948.

Perspective.
 
2013-02-12 05:48:55 PM
On the evening of the prom, when the haters show up, bar them from entry on the basis you're having a Nonbigoted Prom.

When they complain about discrimination, concede you ARE discriminating, but remind them that your discrimination is legally permissible because gay-haters, like gays, are not a protected class.

Wish them a good evening.
 
2013-02-12 06:13:59 PM

tekmo: On the evening of the prom, when the haters show up, bar them from entry on the basis you're having a Nonbigoted Prom.

When they complain about discrimination, concede you ARE discriminating, but remind them that your discrimination is legally permissible because gay-haters, like gays, are not a protected class.


Couldn't they claim that their gay hatin' is a manifestation of their religion, therefore IS a protected class?

/But they might opt to strategically lose that battle, lets the gays get wind of it and start their own religion.
 
2013-02-12 06:44:33 PM

I drunk what: ciberido: Zarquon's Flat Tire: If you think being gay is a choice obviously you think you could wake one morning and think "Well, that's enough vagina for a bit. Let's try penis for a bit"

/not you you
/the indefinate you

Dan Savage has a standing offer to prove homosexuality is a choice.

THIS^

yuuuup  and James Randi has an offer to prove the existence of supernatural

but i wouldn't hold my breath, lulz religious people are so stupid

everyone knows that homosexuality is natural and that free will is an illusion so they have no choice in the matter

but it is morally good and natural to be gay, so there's that

haters gunna hate.jpg


Hate is also natural and if free will is an illusion.....?
 
2013-02-12 06:46:07 PM

serial_crusher: Couldn't they claim that their gay hatin' is a manifestation of their religion, therefore IS a protected class?


"Our antibigot policy applies to all bigots equally, regardless of the reason behind their contempt of gays. We refuse to make any distinction between religiously motivated antigay bigotry and non-religious motivations, assuming such a thing exists."
 
2013-02-12 07:35:36 PM
Why yes, yes she does have a FB page:  https://www.facebook.com/#!/diana.medley.58">https://www.facebook.com /#!/diana.medley.58

Be sure and drop her a note when you get a chance.
 
2013-02-12 07:35:55 PM

Point02GPA: The Envoy: What's with having to identify themselves?  LGBT?  Here's an idea: let's call everybody "people" and stop fixating on what they do with their private parts.

That works well until you get into the "restroom" thingee.


*taps his foot* on the floor next to you

that means i want SEX right??
 
2013-02-12 07:50:18 PM

I drunk what: but i wouldn't hold my breath, lulz religious people are so stupid

everyone knows that homosexuality is natural and that free will is an illusion so they have no choice in the matter

but it is morally good and natural to be gay, so there's that

haters gunna hate.jpg


Are you ok?  You seem a little ... more ... um ... than usual.

Look, really, this threads happen every week on Fark if not every day.  Relax.  I made popcorn.
 
2013-02-12 08:28:15 PM

Sass-O-Rev: Vodka Zombie: We need to stop letting people cloak their ignorance and bigotry in the word "traditional."

Like "patriot," when you hear it, you know that there's going to be a whole heap of stupid coming.

OMG  so very much THIS!!

/don't get me started on "family values"


A friend's mom made a Facebook page called "Traditional Values" that was naturally an anti-marriage-equality thing. My friend and I made sockpuppet accounts and trolled them with "supportive" comments. We ultimately got the mom to say that black people are fine, "in their place". Many, many lulz were had.
 
2013-02-12 08:45:39 PM

ciberido: I drunk what: but i wouldn't hold my breath, lulz religious people are so stupid

everyone knows that homosexuality is natural and that free will is an illusion so they have no choice in the matter

but it is morally good and natural to be gay, so there's that

haters gunna hate.jpg

Are you ok?  You seem a little ... more ... um ... than usual.

Look, really, this threads happen every week on Fark if not every day.  Relax.  I made popcorn.


i got your back, aint gunna let no bigots rain on our parade

i'm ok you're ok
 
2013-02-12 11:47:28 PM
I wish I could believe that that AlanRoberts in the comments under the article was a troll, but I don't think he is ... just an ignorant bigot.
 
2013-02-13 12:01:59 AM

ciberido: Are you ok?


What a tempting straight line.
 
2013-02-13 02:30:54 AM

keylock71: These people are farked in the head...

We had a couple of gay couples and one trans-gendered student, who attended the prom alone, at my Senior Prom and no one batted an eye... And this was back in farking 1989.


Ditto, from my 1989 & 1990 proms. In North Carolina, back when Jesse Helms was our senator - so not exactly a mecca of progressive thought. But I don't recall anyone at all having a problem with it - even from the strong Christians at my school, who had the sense to know that, even if they disagreed, acting like a crazy bigoted nutcase doesn't really win a lot of converts. The only griping about the prom I remember is about the prom committee choosing a cheesy Kenny G instrumental (Silhouette) for our prom theme.

I've lived in Indiana before. This sort of stuff is why their economic development people lament "brain drain" - unless they have really strong ties to the area, the best and brightest frequently go elsewhere, as soon as they're done with college or even high school. Even the straight ones.
 
2013-02-13 03:04:10 AM

Nytfall: zombat: I stopped reading articles like this, because of this one

http://jezebel.com/5975192/get-out-of-my-gay-bar-straight-girl

Wow.  If that had been "Get out of my straight bar, lesbo", Fark would have been all up in arms.


But obviously LGBTs don't discriminate hence they get a free pass on Fark no matter what they espouse.
 
2013-02-13 05:21:16 AM

zombat: Nytfall: zombat: I stopped reading articles like this, because of this one

http://jezebel.com/5975192/get-out-of-my-gay-bar-straight-girl

Wow.  If that had been "Get out of my straight bar, lesbo", Fark would have been all up in arms.

But obviously LGBTs don't discriminate hence they get a free pass on Fark no matter what they espouse.


Ever been savagely beaten for being straight?
 
2013-02-13 06:11:24 AM

thamike: Ever been savagely beaten for being straight?


I guess i misread TFA completely,here i thought it was about gays not being welcome at a prom same as TFA i linked to where straight people were asked to fark off from a gay bar,but clearly it was about a savage beating,oh please do tell more
 
2013-02-13 06:04:22 PM

zombat: thamike: Ever been savagely beaten for being straight?

I guess i misread TFA completely,here i thought it was about gays not being welcome at a prom same as TFA i linked to where straight people were asked to fark off from a gay bar,but clearly it was about a savage beating,oh please do tell more


You missed the point by even more this time around.  But oh please do tell how your microcosm is unfairly tilted against heterosexual men.
 
2013-02-14 03:52:19 AM

zombat: i linked to where straight people were asked to fark off from a gay bar


No, you linked to a pseudo-militant opinion piece about how some types of women are not welcome all of the time, namely those who are looking to be entertained by the gay scene and those who participate in it as if they were some sort of act.  I'll point out something relevant that you seem to have missed in your rush to feel persecuted:  "I'm not here to argue for a ban on straight people in gay clubs; that's discrimination, and clearly wrong. However I will ask you to a) rethink the entitlement you feel to occupy every space and b) respect that no matter how much you "love the gays," sometimes gay people need to be amongst their peers and therefore apart from you.".  That's direct from your FA by the way.

The glaringly obvious difference between the two is that yours is an opinion piece whereas TFA is a news report about an organised attempt to exclude gay people from an event which they have every right to attend.  So you can stop feeling persecuted now!  Isn't that nice?
 
2013-02-14 04:22:13 AM
Bigotry is the same no matter who advocates it,its time you apologist admitted that.

Being ok with statements like these just shows your own double standards:

The Envoy: sometimes gay people need to be amongst their peers and therefore apart from you.


Because if you are ok with that then you should be ok with the prom, I find both equally reprehensible.
 
2013-02-14 05:49:13 AM

zombat: Bigotry is the same no matter who advocates it,its time you apologist admitted that.


It actually isn't.  Established bigotry, legal and institutional, are much more powerful than individual bias.  For example, racial segregation as a law versus a bunch of black dudes wondering what the f*ck you're doing in their barbershop.

zombat: Because if you are ok with that then you should be ok with the prom, I find both equally reprehensible.


Prom is for the high school, gay bar is a private business.  And I would bet that if this was about a business with a "Reserve the right to not serve anybody we choose" policy not serving a homosexual, you would be piping up in favor of the rights of business owners.  It's not because you're biased or anything, it's just because you'd rather scramble in the mud looking for a point, instead of picking one from the branches, because you have a lazy mind.
 
2013-02-14 07:25:02 AM

sloshed_again: KellyKellyKelly: Turn back now.  No good can come of this.

ciberido: But do you love her vagina?

Yes but don't know where to find it.


There's flour for that.

/self-deprecaters gonna self-deprecate
 
2013-02-14 08:33:05 AM

genner: I drunk what: ciberido: Zarquon's Flat Tire: If you think being gay is a choice obviously you think you could wake one morning and think "Well, that's enough vagina for a bit. Let's try penis for a bit"

/not you you
/the indefinate you

Dan Savage has a standing offer to prove homosexuality is a choice.

THIS^

yuuuup  and James Randi has an offer to prove the existence of supernatural

but i wouldn't hold my breath, lulz religious people are so stupid

everyone knows that homosexuality is natural and that free will is an illusion so they have no choice in the matter

but it is morally good and natural to be gay, so there's that

haters gunna hate.jpg

Hate is also natural and if free will is an illusion.....?


then you are a racist bigot

abb3w: ciberido: Are you ok?

What a tempting straight line.


i'm better than ok, i'm fabulous

death to christians, i'm ok you're ok

it's the only logical rational choice, Q > P

0.999 = 1.000
 
2013-02-14 12:24:12 PM

zombat: The Envoy: sometimes gay people need to be amongst their peers and therefore apart from you.

Because if you are ok with that then you should be ok with the prom, I find both equally reprehensible.


You what?  The two are entirely different.  That's not an opinion, it's a plain fact.  You seem to be the only one who doesn't understand this.  So tell us again how one person's opinion (and let's be totally honest here: this is 1 person and there's NO evidence that the opinion or the feelings that engendered it are a) real and b) were ever acted on) is the same as an organisation and its supporters actually attempting to exclude people based on their orientation.

Because guess what?  They're not the same thing at all.
 
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