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(NPR)   Sorry, hippie, but that "certified sustainable" seafood you're spending twice as much to buy at the grocery store is no better for the planet than any other seafood. In fact, it might be worse   (npr.org) divider line 22
    More: Dumbass, Carrie Brownstein, global ocean, ranking system, Filet-O-Fish, Marine Stewardship Council, sustainable seafood, Pew Environment Group, World Wildlife Fund  
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2013-02-11 09:25:26 PM
3 votes:
If conservatives had their way food labeling would be illegal, and we'd still be buying bread that was 15% sawdust.
2013-02-11 08:24:01 PM
3 votes:
Marketing lies and tries to take advantage of people trying to be better? color me shocked!
2013-02-11 09:36:58 PM
2 votes:
From the article:

"...almost 80 percent of the people who eat seafood regularly said it is "important" or "very important" that their seafood is sustainably caught."

So 80% of people are hippies, submitter? That's a strange definition.
2013-02-11 09:08:25 PM
2 votes:
A large corporate entity known as Whole Foods that is run by a union busting libertarian CEO is lying about it's products? Color me shocked!
2013-02-12 07:51:22 AM
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: Huggermugger: If conservatives had their way food labeling would be illegal, and we'd still be buying bread that was 15% sawdust.

The obesity problem in the U.S. would probably be solved, though.


Fun fact:  it's possible to be both obese AND malnourished.

/micronutrients ftw
2013-02-12 12:48:37 AM
1 votes:
This is poor coverage of fisheries problems. They exist (like Chesapeake menhaden), but this isn't one of them.

MSC requires third-party auditors to go down a checklist and compile all the relevant data. If a fishery passes, it then goes out for public review where anyone (e.g. the scientists in the article who say that there is too much shark bycatch) can provide additional information which must be resolved before certification. Now, some may quibble with some of the standards and there may be instances where more data would help better inform whether a fishery was sustainable or not, but to say that MSC is "on the take" because they are in bed with Wal-Mart is not backed by the facts. MSC helped build the sustainable fisheries movement which is growing exponentially and they have found a market to put those fish into. It's not a conspiracy - the rules are published, then verified on a regular basis. If you don't think their rules lead to sustainability, then point out those problems. This story just posits that big business = evil (yes it all too frequently does, but it's no excuse for lazy journalism) and then presents us with he said/she said.
2013-02-12 12:08:58 AM
1 votes:

Farxist Marxist: Her told me that most of the scallops sold are actually manta ray fins, cut out with a sort of cookie-cutter type thingie.


I suppose it's possible, but really, if you can't tell the difference, you probably shouldn't be spending $16/lb on anything you eat. The grain of the muscle would run the wrong direction, across the face instead of up and down. It would be instantly obvious to anybody who had ever eaten a scallop before.

Not saying that they don't do it anyway, but I'd be surprised if they could get away with it twice.
2013-02-11 10:48:57 PM
1 votes:
Monterey Bay Aquarium is way better anyway. They don't certify companies, they certify methods, fish and location.
2013-02-11 10:44:55 PM
1 votes:
A co-orker hails from Newfoundland, use to commercial fish with his father for some years prior to becoming a tech-weenie. Her told me that most of the scallops sold are actually manta ray fins, cut out with a sort of cookie-cutter type thingie. At least it's from the sea.
2013-02-11 10:23:12 PM
1 votes:

iheartscotch: I watched a documentary about over-fishing the other day.

Basically, we should be fishing x to allow fish populations to bounce back. The U.N. set International quotas at 2x after 6 months of non-stop arguing. What we actually bring in is 8x. Even the countries that agreed to the quota are ignoring it.

/ about the only place that abides by any of the quotas is Alaska


Humans can't help themselves. Governments can't do it and markets are corrupt to the point of being ineffective.

The fish are doomed.
2013-02-11 10:21:39 PM
1 votes:
To be sustainable using Open Blue's model, we would need 320,000 Open Blue operations world wide (160 Million Tons (2000 lbs per ton) of fish, currently being harvested annually combined open water and close to shore aquaculture, divided by 1 million lbs of Open Blue 2012 fish production).

So 320,000 x 2400 square feet per operation, or approximately 27.54 square miles of Open Blue type operations spread across the deep waters along the atlantic and pacific 200 mile terrritorial waters of the US coastline and we could have essentially an unlimited fishery, (maybe not the variety that we have now, but certainly the same quantity) produced in a sustainable manner.
2013-02-11 10:02:49 PM
1 votes:
Sorry, hippie yuppie, but that "certified sustainable" seafood you're spending twice as much to buy at the grocery store is no better for the planet than any other seafood. In fact, it might be worse
Fixed that for you, subby!

Us "hippies" have known all along that there is no such thing as sustainable seafood. Maybe there could be, but it hasn't happened yet and before it could even begin we'd need decades of no commercial fishing at all just to get back to a good starting point.

It's the yuppies who shop at Whole Paycheck Market who are buying into the marketing BS of so-called sustainable seafood.

/Also, do you really think that hippies have enough money to shop at WFM? Ha!
2013-02-11 09:56:49 PM
1 votes:

karmaceutical: iheartscotch: I watched a documentary about over-fishing the other day.

Basically, we should be fishing x to allow fish populations to bounce back. The U.N. set International quotas at 2x after 6 months of non-stop arguing. What we actually bring in is 8x. Even the countries that agreed to the quota are ignoring it.

/ about the only place that abides by any of the quotas is Alaska

Don't you get it man... the damn gubbermint is trying to take away your recreational fishing rights.  Pew research is just making stuff up, at the behest of Al Gore... and the American Red Snapper is a fish that is essential for liberty.


Yeah; mr. Gore got a Nobel for a PowerPoint presentation.

It's pretty obvious to anyone in the industry that we can't keep fishing the way we have been. If i remember right; our fishing capacity could pick the ocean clean in a year.

/ basically we'd need about 20 carrier groups to enforce a world wide quota
2013-02-11 09:42:54 PM
1 votes:
Not gonna lie, I didn't read the entire article. Can someone with a longer attention span point out where the article states that MSC labeling could actually be worse for the environment.
2013-02-11 09:41:25 PM
1 votes:

rankled: From the article:

"...almost 80 percent of the people who eat seafood regularly said it is "important" or "very important" that their seafood is sustainably caught."

So 80% of people are hippies, submitter? That's a strange definition.


No, 80% of people who eat seafood regularly are hippies.
2013-02-11 09:30:51 PM
1 votes:
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2013-02-11 09:29:18 PM
1 votes:

Huggermugger: If conservatives had their way food labeling would be illegal, and we'd still be buying bread that was 15% sawdust.


Making up stuff is fun.  I do it sometimes, to pass the time.
2013-02-11 09:28:06 PM
1 votes:

neongoats: Well, food that comes from the sea is grody.

I pee in the sea when I swim there, and so do you. Then you go eat it.


And the farm fields are all sprayed with cow shiat, what's your point?
2013-02-11 09:26:53 PM
1 votes:
Well, food that comes from the sea is grody.

I pee in the sea when I swim there, and so do you. Then you go eat it.
2013-02-11 09:22:31 PM
1 votes:

brap: I first heard the word "greenwashing" when I was at a friend's wedding in Northern California years ago.

I thought it was rather clever, the fact that I told them so and they thanked me with a bag of organic peaches and herb the size of Guam is another story which quite frankly, I would rather not discuss.


If that herb was from our near-legendary Emerald Triangle,you don't have to discuss the story. I can make a pretty safe bet most of those peaches did not make it home anywhere but your belly.

/wait until you meet people who want to know how many miles from your home your food is produced
//they're called "locavores" and it's been a big, trendy, but I'm sure heartfelt, kinda thing in NorCal for nearly 10 years now
2013-02-11 09:15:41 PM
1 votes:
Whole Foods?  [checks article]  Yep, Whole Foods.

In other news, f*ck Whole Foods.
2013-02-11 09:06:12 PM
1 votes:
But free market would never screw the consumer.
 
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