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(Yahoo)   Here he is on a silver platter, GOP: A black, Christian neurosurgeon who hates Obamacare, was born into poverty, is against Affirmative Action, and graduated top of his class from Johns Hopkins. Now don't fark it up   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 338
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2013-02-11 03:50:20 PM  
O fark. As soon as I say Hannitys name I said.... FARK YOUOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
 
2013-02-11 03:56:37 PM  
I didn't see where he feels Benghazi is a scandal.  He's not a team player; can't use him.
 
2013-02-11 04:02:24 PM  
Difficulty: Since he is a christian, he also secretly loves the cock.
 
2013-02-11 04:02:31 PM  
Carson told Sean Hannity on Fox News, "If the Lord grabbed me by the collar and made me do it, I would. It's not my intention." Hannity replied, "I would vote for you in a heartbeat."

Strike one:  Hannity
Strike two: Believes God could tell him personally to be president
Strike three: Hannity
 
2013-02-11 04:02:42 PM  
He won't even make it past Iowa. You know why? Because about 60% of Americans don't share his values. It's not the color of his skin. We just proved that in the last election.
 
2013-02-11 04:03:29 PM  
What the shiat?  This guy is just Michael Steele with a scalpel.  He's a cookie cutter republican bozo who has no concept of progressive taxation or proper methods to ensure the health of the nation.

Being from poverty you would think he'd be more aware or the asinine nature of modern conservatism, but hey he's rich now.  He really is the epitome of GOP candidacy - a purebred first generation "fark you, I got mine".
 
2013-02-11 04:04:07 PM  
When it comes to taxes, Carson pushed for a flat income tax by citing the biblical concept of tithing. "Some people say, 'Well that's not fair because it doesn't hurt the guy who made $10 billion as much as the guy who made 10.' Where does it say you've got to hurt the guy? He just put a billion dollars in the pot. We don't need to hurt him,"

Except that people aren't complaining about not hurting the guy who made $10 billion. They are pointing out that a flat tax hurts the guy who made $10, while not significantly affecting the guy who made $10 billion.
 
2013-02-11 04:10:13 PM  
More whitey keeping the black man down.
 
2013-02-11 04:10:31 PM  

stevetherobot: When it comes to taxes, Carson pushed for a flat income tax by citing the biblical concept of tithing. "Some people say, 'Well that's not fair because it doesn't hurt the guy who made $10 billion as much as the guy who made 10.' Where does it say you've got to hurt the guy? He just put a billion dollars in the pot. We don't need to hurt him,"

Except that people aren't complaining about not hurting the guy who made $10 billion. They are pointing out that a flat tax hurts the guy who made $10, while not significantly affecting the guy who made $10 billion.



Mark 12:41-44
American Standard Version (ASV)

41 And he sat down over against the treasury, and beheld how the multitude cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.

42 And there came a poor widow, and she cast in two mites, which make a farthing.
43 And he called unto him his disciples, and said unto them, Verily I say unto you, This poor widow cast in more than all they that are casting into the treasury:
44 for they all did cast in of their superfluity; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living.
 
2013-02-11 04:15:22 PM  

WTFDYW: O fark. As soon as I say saw Hannitys name I said.... FARK YOUOOOOOOOOO!!!!!


FTFM
 
2013-02-11 04:19:02 PM  
I think he'll find out that running for the GOP nomination ain't brain surgery. It's much more difficult.

Especially if your main qualifications are being bootstrapy and having God personally tell you to run for President. Those are a dime a dozen.
 
2013-02-11 04:30:28 PM  
Carson told Sean Hannity on Fox News, "If the Lord grabbed me by the collar and made me do it, I would. It's not my intention." Hannity replied, "I would vote for you in a heartbeat."

That right there completely disqualifies him.
 
2013-02-11 04:34:25 PM  
So all the GOP needs to do to win is "black it up" a little? You morons, this is why you will continue to lose. You honestly think it's about race and not about policy. You epic failures of human beings.
 
2013-02-11 04:34:55 PM  
Has anyone ever been elected president without having either previously held some form of elected office or been a great military leader?
 
2013-02-11 04:37:41 PM  

DamnYankees: Has anyone ever been elected president without having either previously held some form of elected office or been a great military leader?


Dubya was The Governor of Texas.  I think that counts (in the sense that it doesn't)
 
2013-02-11 04:37:41 PM  
watching him on Cavuto right now... not inspiring.  Can't win.

we're at his 14th minute.
 
2013-02-11 04:50:15 PM  
At a Baltimore Comedy Club:

Comic (to group of girls): Y'all from John Hopkins?
Girls: Johns!!!
Comic:  Man, and you wonder why we hate y'all.

/CSB
//But seriously, subby: Johns.
 
2013-02-11 05:01:02 PM  
Don't worry. We will.
 
2013-02-11 05:08:28 PM  
I was hoping for Herman Cain in a wig passionately quoting Pokemon.
 
2013-02-11 05:09:53 PM  
Nope, sorry...put up a female contender and we'll talk.
 
2013-02-11 05:23:52 PM  
We like the hell out of him, but people on the left HATE him because he isn't their expectations of what a black man should be. They are the racists. Anyone who disagrees with Obama is racist in liberals' eyes...even if they back another black person.
 
2013-02-11 05:25:54 PM  
Still a member of the GOP and I didn't see him say much about his social policies.  If he's a social moderate, the GOP establishment won't give him a shot...if he's a wacky social conservative, the electorate won't give him a shot.
 
2013-02-11 05:49:05 PM  
"It's that kind of thinking that has resulted in 602 banks in the Cayman Islands. That money needs to be back here building our infrastructure and creating jobs."

The US system of investment taxation can never compete with no investment taxation.
 
2013-02-11 05:53:19 PM  

MacEnvy: So all the GOP needs to do to win is "black it up" a little?


See Michael Steele.  Yes they do in fact think that is the solution.  Also note he was summarily fired after one of the biggest electoral victories in the history of the House, and his white replacement was not despite failing to take back he Senate when the deck was ridiculously stacked in their favor.
 
2013-02-11 05:53:49 PM  
Why a Johns Hopkins Neurosurgeon Is Getting 2016 Presidential Buzz

Because look at the GOP.

At this point, a moldy, half-eaten ham sandwich would generate 2016 presidential buzz.


No! Mr. Moldy, Half-Eaten Ham Sandwich has not expressed interest in running, so calm down, Republicans!
 
2013-02-11 05:55:58 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: We like the hell out of him, but people on the left HATE him because he isn't their expectations of what a black man should be. They are the racists. Anyone who disagrees with Obama is racist in liberals' eyes...even if they back another black person.


Oh, thanks for telling me that. I wasn't sure how I felt about the guy, beyond not caring for people who think God talks to them. I'm glad you're here to tell me what I think of him and why. That's very convenient.
 
2013-02-11 05:57:01 PM  
Hannity tells a neurosurgeon he would vote for him in a heartbeat?!

Did he think the guy was also a cardiologist?
Shouldn't he have said something about the time it takes a synapse to fire?

WTF is Hannity thinking?
 
2013-02-11 06:03:48 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: We like the hell out of him, but people on the left HATE him because he isn't their expectations of what a black man should be. They are the racists. Anyone who disagrees with Obama is racist in liberals' eyes...even if they back another black person.


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NFA [TotalFark]
2013-02-11 06:05:02 PM  
I watched the video and I don't see any of the claimed "stuck to Obama" statements.  In fact he said Americans desperately need healthcare.
 
2013-02-11 06:12:19 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: We like the hell out of him, but people on the left HATE him because he isn't their expectations of what a black man should be. They are the racists. Anyone who disagrees with Obama is racist in liberals' eyes...even if they back another black person.


Nah, we hate him because he's GOP ignorant conservative - nothing to do with him being black.

Colin Powell had potential- then he screwed up with the Iraq war.
 
2013-02-11 06:13:17 PM  
Sure, but where was he born?  I'm going to need to see a birth certificate.  I hear he as African family members, and prays to a radical christian preacher.
 
2013-02-11 06:13:19 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: We like the hell out of him, but people on the left HATE him because he isn't their expectations of what a black man should be. They are the racists. Anyone who disagrees with Obama is racist in liberals' eyes...even if they back another black person.



Please tell me more what my expectations of what a black male should be, should be.
 
2013-02-11 06:13:30 PM  
Why would I want someone as egotistical as a neurosurgeon to be my President?  How does that make them a good President?  Is his qualification that he's black .... and that's it? 
So I guess the GOP still just doesn't get it and they're going to shoot themselves in the foot AGAIN.
 
2013-02-11 06:13:51 PM  
Someone tell this tom that going on Hannity isn't going to make racist white people respect him.
 
2013-02-11 06:16:07 PM  
FTFA: When it comes to taxes, Carson pushed for a flat income tax by citing the biblical concept of tithing.

OH YES, pleeeasssse, GOP, give this guy all the 2016 presidential buzz you can.  Here, I'll loan you some buzz at zero interest.
 
2013-02-11 06:16:13 PM  

NFA: In fact he said Americans desperately need healthcare.


But he said the best way to do that was with HSA's that could be passed on via inheritance, and that the government would still pay for the indigent. That sounds worse than what we already have. We need to get the free market as far away from healthcare as possible.
 
2013-02-11 06:16:36 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: We like the hell out of him, but people on the left HATE him because he isn't their expectations of what a black man should be. They are the racists. Anyone who disagrees with Obama is racist in liberals' eyes...even if they back another black person.


I feel like you're kind of mailing this in. Are you feeling depressed or something?
 
2013-02-11 06:17:31 PM  
When it comes to taxes, Carson pushed for a flat income tax by citing the biblical concept of tithing.

Not very bright for a neurosurgeon.

HSAs could be a workable concept if done right.
 
2013-02-11 06:19:15 PM  

Elandriel: What the shiat?  This guy is just Michael Steele with a scalpel.  He's a cookie cutter republican bozo who has no concept of progressive taxation or proper methods to ensure the health of the nation.

Being from poverty you would think he'd be more aware or the asinine nature of modern conservatism, but hey he's rich now.  He really is the epitome of GOP candidacy - a purebred first generation "fark you, I got mine".


Nailed it.
 
2013-02-11 06:19:36 PM  

spiderpaz: Why would I want someone as egotistical as a neurosurgeon to be my President?  How does that make them a good President?  Is his qualification that he's black .... and that's it? 
So I guess the GOP still just doesn't get it and they're going to shoot themselves in the foot AGAIN.


Gais... Gais... Guess what.. Gaissssss. GAIS! WE GOT A BLACK GUY!

That means we're not racist cause we have a black friend now!

Gais, Gais, This is sweet we are so not racist now. We got Herman Cain, this dude, and Marco Rubio! That's like three! Gais! THREE!!

We are SO not racist.  We love minorities so much they make up .000000000001% of the party and we'll talk about them for like 10 whole minutes before stuffing them into their minority cage until the next election cycle.

Gais. Now let's call the democrats racist cause we have a black gai.  Yeah.. That's the ticket.  That's why everyone hates us, not enough black gais.
 
2013-02-11 06:19:42 PM  

jehovahs completely witless protection: [redacted]


I have no idea why I've still kept you off ignore. I'm tired of your shtick.

/plonk.
 
2013-02-11 06:20:21 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: NFA: In fact he said Americans desperately need healthcare.

But he said the best way to do that was with HSA's that could be passed on via inheritance, and that the government would still pay for the indigent. That sounds worse than what we already have. We need to get the free market as far away from healthcare as possible.


HSA's are worthless.

I'm in my mid-20's and even I don't have one because I'd rather have comprehensive insurance  instead of taking a chance and having to pay out of pocket for my medical expenses if something bad were to happen to me.
 
2013-02-11 06:20:27 PM  

quatchi: HSAs could be a workable concept if done right.


Bullocks.
 
2013-02-11 06:22:08 PM  
His life story inspired a 2009 movie starring Cuba Gooding, Jr.

Snow Dogs or Boat Trip?
 
2013-02-11 06:23:39 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: quatchi: HSAs could be a workable concept if done right.

Bullocks.


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2013-02-11 06:24:18 PM  

spiderpaz: Why would I want someone as egotistical as a neurosurgeon to be my President?  How does that make them a good President?  Is his qualification that he's black .... and that's it? 
So I guess the GOP still just doesn't get it and they're going to shoot themselves in the foot AGAIN.


The average neurosurgeon is much less egotistical than the most humble president. That being said, there are plenty of reasons why a certain level of narcissism is a necessary trait in either position.
 
2013-02-11 06:24:19 PM  

Mrtraveler01: HSA's are worthless.

I'm in my mid-20's and even I don't have one because I'd rather have comprehensive insurance instead of taking a chance and having to pay out of pocket for my medical expenses if something bad were to happen to me.


But this guy's plan is worse.
Inheritable HSA's? I mean.... what the holy fark. Let's just drop the pretense that this is anything else but a way for the wealthy to further segregate themselves from those wretched poors.
 
2013-02-11 06:25:39 PM  
Here he is on a silver platter, GOP: A black, Christian neurosurgeon who hates Obamacare, was born into poverty, will say things for money is against Affirmative Action, and graduated top of his class from John Hopkins. Now don't fark it up

FTFY

/I would not want a guy cutting my head open if his basis for acceptance of failure was it being god's will.
 
2013-02-11 06:26:04 PM  
Are USA ready for Seventh-Day Adventist President?
 
2013-02-11 06:26:54 PM  

MacEnvy: So all the GOP needs to do to win is "black it up" a little? You morons, this is why you will continue to lose. You honestly think it's about race and not about policy. You epic failures of human beings.


No, we need to choose candidates like Dr. Carson, who can clearly state the conservative position and give simple, thought-provoking solutions to our problems. Also, I love how he pointed out how political correctness keeps good ideas out of the mix.

I am looking for a smart candidate with the ability to explain conservative ideas to Americans in plain English. I couldn't care less if he was white, black, hispanic or asian. Dr. Carson was a breath of fresh air.
 
2013-02-11 06:27:08 PM  
Remember successful businessman and liberals' worst nightmare Herman Cain?
 
2013-02-11 06:29:05 PM  

k1j2b3: MacEnvy: So all the GOP needs to do to win is "black it up" a little? You morons, this is why you will continue to lose. You honestly think it's about race and not about policy. You epic failures of human beings.

No, we need to choose candidates like Dr. Carson, who can clearly state the conservative position and give simple, thought-provoking solutions to our problems. Also, I love how he pointed out how political correctness keeps good ideas out of the mix.

I am looking for a smart candidate with the ability to explain conservative ideas to Americans in plain English. I couldn't care less if he was white, black, hispanic or asian. Dr. Carson was a breath of fresh air.


Too bad those ideas suck no matter how articulately they're explained.  Of course you can't explain them too articulately, otherwise the proletariat will get mad at you: 
http://livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com/entry/gop-pollster-frank-luntz -a mericans-dont-care-what
 
2013-02-11 06:29:11 PM  

k1j2b3: Also, I love how he pointed out how political correctness keeps good ideas out of the mix.


What good idea do you feel is not in the mix do to political correctness?
 
2013-02-11 06:29:24 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Mrtraveler01: HSA's are worthless.

I'm in my mid-20's and even I don't have one because I'd rather have comprehensive insurance instead of taking a chance and having to pay out of pocket for my medical expenses if something bad were to happen to me.

But this guy's plan is worse.
Inheritable HSA's? I mean.... what the holy fark. Let's just drop the pretense that this is anything else but a way for the wealthy to further segregate themselves from those wretched poors.


I don't even get the inheritable part.

What exactly does that mean?
 
2013-02-11 06:29:52 PM  
As textbook a case of  'I have mine fark you' as could ever be found.
 
2013-02-11 06:30:05 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: NFA: In fact he said Americans desperately need healthcare.

But he said the best way to do that was with HSA's that could be passed on via inheritance, and that the government would still pay for the indigent. That sounds worse than what we already have. We need to get the free market as far away from healthcare as possible.


You know I usually agree with at least SOMETHING the right has to say.  There wasn't a thing in that article that I didn't cringe at the small possibility of happening.

"We can make contributions for people who are indigent," Carson said. "Instead of sending all this money to some bureaucracy, let's put it in their HSAs. Now they have some control over their own health care. And very quickly they're going to learn how to be responsible."

Stood right the fark out.  Health care isn't like budgeting or deciding when you can afford a new car.  No one sits around, has a family meeting and says 'well now, little billy broke his arm this year, and I fell off a ladder and needed that expensive back surgery, so mom is just going to have to wait until next year to that those chemo treatments for her cancer'.
 
2013-02-11 06:30:47 PM  
"Instead of sending all this money to some bureaucracy, let's put it in their HSAs. Now they have some control over their own health care. And very quickly they're going to learn how to be responsible."

People will just choose not to get sick, and certainly not to develop long term chronic illnesses that require years of expensive care.
 
2013-02-11 06:31:13 PM  

k1j2b3: MacEnvy: So all the GOP needs to do to win is "black it up" a little? You morons, this is why you will continue to lose. You honestly think it's about race and not about policy. You epic failures of human beings.

No, we need to choose candidates like Dr. Carson, who can clearly state the conservative position and give simple, thought-provoking solutions to our problems. Also, I love how he pointed out how political correctness keeps good ideas out of the mix.

I am looking for a smart candidate with the ability to explain conservative ideas to Americans in plain English. I couldn't care less if he was white, black, hispanic or asian. Dr. Carson was a breath of fresh air.


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2013-02-11 06:32:23 PM  

quatchi: HSAs could be a workable concept if done right.


They're utterly irrelevant.  They're a way to control the costs of sniffle-n-backache vists (by making generally healthy people avoid going to the doctor for anything).  Sadly, all the cases where HSAs/HDHPs have much effect add up to a rounding error in the 80% of health spending that's on cancer, heart attacks, strokes, major trauma, and end-stage kidney/cardio-pulmonary/etc.  Things that are 'catastrophes' even with deductibles of $10,000 or more.
 
2013-02-11 06:32:41 PM  
So...black guy, doesn't want to pay his fair share, and is handy with a knife.  Am I missing something particularly special here?

/that'll do it
 
2013-02-11 06:32:54 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Sergeant Grumbles: NFA: In fact he said Americans desperately need healthcare.

But he said the best way to do that was with HSA's that could be passed on via inheritance, and that the government would still pay for the indigent. That sounds worse than what we already have. We need to get the free market as far away from healthcare as possible.

HSA's are worthless.

I'm in my mid-20's and even I don't have one because I'd rather have comprehensive insurance  instead of taking a chance and having to pay out of pocket for my medical expenses if something bad were to happen to me.


Get a less expensive high-deductible plan and put the money you save into the HSA.  Then if you have a good year where you don't get sick or see a dr more than a time or two, you're way ahead.
 
2013-02-11 06:33:36 PM  
Carson told Sean Hannity on Fox News, "If the Lord grabbed me by the collar and made me do it, I would. It's not my intention."

Ahhhh, gotta love that good 'ol fashioned feigned humility.


MacEnvy: So all the GOP needs to do to win is "black it up" a little? You morons, this is why you will continue to lose. You honestly think it's about race and not about policy. You epic failures of human beings.


Annnnd THIS.

Likewise the GOP has a problem with the latino vote... so their solution is to make some noise about fixing our illegal/legal immigration mess with confidence that's going to get the latino votes. They don't even realize how condescending that sounds or how incomplete it is. They can only insist so many times that they're not racist before the denials start wearing thin - and that time was some time ago.
 
2013-02-11 06:34:54 PM  
hiphopwired.com
 
2013-02-11 06:35:06 PM  
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This is America. Theoretically, anyone's got a chance. Let him run. I don't think he'll get past the primaries, but who knows? Give it a shot.

[checks Wiki....]

Oh shiat....he's a Seventh-Day Adventist? Good luck with that. I would be very very surprised if he gets the Fundie nod. Then again, then held their noses for Romney and Joseph Smith. They might hold their nose for Carson and Ellen G. White.
 
2013-02-11 06:35:14 PM  

DarwiOdrade: Bullocks.


  Yeah, yeah.  I saw it right after I posted.  The real shame is I used to own that album by the Sex Pistols.   I blame television.
 
2013-02-11 06:35:17 PM  
Seems he went in to medicine because he's a complete retard on domestic policy.

"Instead of sending all this money to some bureaucracy, let's put it in their HSAs. Now they have some control over their own health care. And very quickly they're going to learn how to be responsible."

No, they'll learn what a con medical pricing is and their HSA will be wiped out by one trip to the doctor.

Anyone advocating HSA's as some magic responsibility creating vehicle just isn't very smart about people. Plus there are the optics of "my plan revolves around the idea that people need tax relief to afford Advil, and they should be happy with that" to consider.
 
2013-02-11 06:36:18 PM  

colon_pow: Mrtraveler01: Sergeant Grumbles: NFA: In fact he said Americans desperately need healthcare.

But he said the best way to do that was with HSA's that could be passed on via inheritance, and that the government would still pay for the indigent. That sounds worse than what we already have. We need to get the free market as far away from healthcare as possible.

HSA's are worthless.

I'm in my mid-20's and even I don't have one because I'd rather have comprehensive insurance  instead of taking a chance and having to pay out of pocket for my medical expenses if something bad were to happen to me.

Get a less expensive high-deductible plan and put the money you save into the HSA.  Then if you have a good year where you don't get sick or see a dr more than a time or two, you're way ahead.


Where I work, it's either the comprehensive plan or an HSA.

I avoid the HSA's like the plague.
 
2013-02-11 06:36:36 PM  

Masso: Are USA ready for Seventh-Day Adventist President?


I have no idea where they fit on the evangelical scale.
 
2013-02-11 06:37:59 PM  

Mrtraveler01: I don't even get the inheritable part.

What exactly does that mean?


The money in your HSA can be passed on to your children's HSA.
 
2013-02-11 06:38:22 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: But this guy's plan is worse.
Inheritable HSA's? I mean.... what the holy fark. Let's just drop the pretense that this is anything else but a way for the wealthy to further segregate themselves from those wretched poors.


It's a terrible idea for several reasons:

1. Doesn't do anything to require people to have healthcare. Half the population can't go without raiding their 401(k)s to buy flat-screen t.v.s and iPhones. What makes anybody think that the low-income people won't fund/borrow from (if possible) their HSAs, and choose to go without health insurance ... the same way they do now.

2. What steps are in place to make sure that insurance companies are offering coverage that will be affordable for those who have no resources other than the government subsidy? If the subsidy doesn't cover the cost of coverage, what good is it? If it does, but there's only one available option, how is that any different than the current Medicaid model?

3. "Personal responsibility" when it comes to healthcare is a largely bullshiat idea. If you give them the ability not to have insurance, some won't, whether it's out of income difficulties, disinterest, ennui, or whatever. But they'll still get sick/hurt anyway, and show up at the emergency room, just as they do now. Are we going to turn them away now because they've made bad choices to not have insurance that might have otherwise been available to them? How is this system really any different than what we have now, except that we're diverting more taxpayer dollars into private insurance companies?
 
2013-02-11 06:38:59 PM  

SomeoneDumb: I have no idea where they fit on the evangelical scale.


they're on the batshiat crazy side
 
2013-02-11 06:39:14 PM  
Did someone in the GOP heirarchy just say "goddammit, people. Find me a black. But not an idiot like Herman Cain"? I just feel like this guy is being toured around because he let someone check off a line of boxes.
 
2013-02-11 06:40:12 PM  

Mrtraveler01: colon_pow: Mrtraveler01: Sergeant Grumbles: NFA: In fact he said Americans desperately need healthcare.

But he said the best way to do that was with HSA's that could be passed on via inheritance, and that the government would still pay for the indigent. That sounds worse than what we already have. We need to get the free market as far away from healthcare as possible.

HSA's are worthless.

I'm in my mid-20's and even I don't have one because I'd rather have comprehensive insurance  instead of taking a chance and having to pay out of pocket for my medical expenses if something bad were to happen to me.

Get a less expensive high-deductible plan and put the money you save into the HSA.  Then if you have a good year where you don't get sick or see a dr more than a time or two, you're way ahead.

Where I work, it's either the comprehensive plan or an HSA.

I avoid the HSA's like the plague.


so you're paying $2500-3000 per year for insurance whether you get sick or not.
i pay about $35/month for a $6000 deductible, put $300/month in the HSA and pay all my medical bills out of that.  I've been coming out ahead for the past 2 years i've been doing it that way.
 
2013-02-11 06:40:12 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Mrtraveler01: I don't even get the inheritable part.

What exactly does that mean?

The money in your HSA can be passed on to your children's HSA.


That's what I thought.

What difference would that possibly make?
 
2013-02-11 06:40:38 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: NFA: In fact he said Americans desperately need healthcare.

But he said the best way to do that was with HSA's that could be passed on via inheritance, and that the government would still pay for the indigent. That sounds worse than what we already have. We need to get the free market as far away from healthcare as possible.


The only way any HSA money is passed on via inheritance is if the donor dies quickly. As with a bullet to the head. By an heir, perhaps. Really, most of the time, any amount of money devoted to healthcare at the end-of-life stage of a person will be used up.
 
2013-02-11 06:40:47 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Seems he went in to medicine because he's a complete retard on domestic policy.

"Instead of sending all this money to some bureaucracy, let's put it in their HSAs. Now they have some control over their own health care. And very quickly they're going to learn how to be responsible."

No, they'll learn what a con medical pricing is and their HSA will be wiped out by one trip to the doctor.

Anyone advocating HSA's as some magic responsibility creating vehicle just isn't very smart about people. Plus there are the optics of "my plan revolves around the idea that people need tax relief to afford Advil, and they should be happy with that" to consider.


HSA's are a good idea in theory in that they will force people to shop around and increase pricing pressure/competition.  In reality most docters/medical providers can't even give you a straight answer on what something will cost until after the fact so the entire point of this is defeated.

If they want to lower medical costs a good start would be requiring all patients to preapprove charges in any non life threatening situations.  Costs for common medical procedures must be disclosed on demand too.  If I want to get an mri let me call every mri place in my city.  None of this 'well our office works with this clinic, oh they can't tell you the cost until it goes through billing and billing can't tell you until they get the info from the doc after it is done?  Good luck with your mystery bill' shiat.
 
2013-02-11 06:41:46 PM  

colon_pow: Mrtraveler01: colon_pow: Mrtraveler01: Sergeant Grumbles: NFA: In fact he said Americans desperately need healthcare.

But he said the best way to do that was with HSA's that could be passed on via inheritance, and that the government would still pay for the indigent. That sounds worse than what we already have. We need to get the free market as far away from healthcare as possible.

HSA's are worthless.

I'm in my mid-20's and even I don't have one because I'd rather have comprehensive insurance  instead of taking a chance and having to pay out of pocket for my medical expenses if something bad were to happen to me.

Get a less expensive high-deductible plan and put the money you save into the HSA.  Then if you have a good year where you don't get sick or see a dr more than a time or two, you're way ahead.

Where I work, it's either the comprehensive plan or an HSA.

I avoid the HSA's like the plague.

so you're paying $2500-3000 per year for insurance whether you get sick or not.
i pay about $35/month for a $6000 deductible, put $300/month in the HSA and pay all my medical bills out of that.  I've been coming out ahead for the past 2 years i've been doing it that way.


Like I said, it's all about risk and that's one thing I don't like to play with.

Basically, I'm gambling my life saying "I'm going to be healthy this year". Otherwise if something were to happen to be and my HSA wouldn't cover it, I'd be screwed.

No thanks.
 
2013-02-11 06:42:01 PM  

Lawnchair: quatchi: HSAs could be a workable concept if done right.

They're utterly irrelevant.  They're a way to control the costs of sniffle-n-backache vists (by making generally healthy people avoid going to the doctor for anything).  Sadly, all the cases where HSAs/HDHPs have much effect add up to a rounding error in the 80% of health spending that's on cancer, heart attacks, strokes, major trauma, and end-stage kidney/cardio-pulmonary/etc.  Things that are 'catastrophes' even with deductibles of $10,000 or more.


A'ight. You've convinced me. HSAs suck.

I see America as inevitably moving towards a single payer non employer based system in the long run and sorta thought of HSAs as a potentially helpful stop gap measure in that evolution but after further reflection it would most likely be a failed experiment that would ultimately hinder rather than help in that evolution.
 
2013-02-11 06:42:08 PM  

k1j2b3: MacEnvy: So all the GOP needs to do to win is "black it up" a little? You morons, this is why you will continue to lose. You honestly think it's about race and not about policy. You epic failures of human beings.

No, we need to choose candidates like Dr. Carson, who can clearly state the conservative position and give simple, thought-provoking solutions to our problems. Also, I love how he pointed out how political correctness keeps good ideas out of the mix.

I am looking for a smart candidate with the ability to explain conservative ideas to Americans in plain English. I couldn't care less if he was white, black, hispanic or asian. Dr. Carson was a breath of fresh air.



Seriously, you do not want someone to explain conservative ideas in plain English.  If people find out what conservatives actually espouse (I have no idea what they believe, I often suspect very little is the correct answer), it could be generations before you see another R in the big chair.

Fortunately for you, conservative media provides a pretty good filter.

Cheers

//Please don't bother blathering about liberal media, I'm not in the mood for bald assertions of bullshiat
 
2013-02-11 06:43:11 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: jehovahs witness protection: We like the hell out of him, but people on the left HATE him because he isn't their expectations of what a black man should be. They are the racists. Anyone who disagrees with Obama is racist in liberals' eyes...even if they back another black person.

Nah, we hate him because he's GOP ignorant conservative - nothing to do with him being black.

Colin Powell had potential- then he screwed up with the Iraq war.


There was a time when I was sure Powell would be the first black president. Heck, I might have even voted for him.
 
2013-02-11 06:43:45 PM  

SomeoneDumb: Masso: Are USA ready for Seventh-Day Adventist President?

I have no idea where they fit on the evangelical scale.


To give you an idea, an SDA church I pass by on my way to & from work has this on their sign: If evolution were true, mothers would have four arms.

By the way, Ben Carson doesn't believe in, or seem to understand, evolution either: "I don't believe in evolution...evolution says that because there are these similarities, even though we can't specifically connect them, it proves that this is what happened."
 
2013-02-11 06:44:20 PM  
For those of you without the time to read the article I summarized it for you:

A black guy born into poverty said "Fark you, I got mine."
 
2013-02-11 06:44:25 PM  

slayer199: Still a member of the GOP and I didn't see him say much about his social policies. If he's a social moderate, the GOP establishment won't give him a shot...if he's a wacky social conservative, the electorate won't give him a shot.


If he is a devout Seventh-Day Adventist, he's probably a strong social conservative and creationist--coupled with vegetarianism. Would probably be our first vegetarian POTUS.
 
2013-02-11 06:44:33 PM  
There is no way HSA can "work right". There is no way to properly price medical services. It just can't. When you're at death's door and there is a way to bring you back to full health, wouldn't you take it, regardless of the cost? What if it costs you $10,000 a month for medicine that you have to take for the rest of your life? What if it is $100,000? $1,000,000? Basically, there's no max because people don't have an alternative.

Insurance is one way to mitigate this by spreading the cost to various people as opposed to lumping all the cost on the individual. But that still doesn't prevent ballooning prices for medical services. This is why all of healthcare must be a non-profit driven industry and must be heavily regulated.
 
2013-02-11 06:45:17 PM  

Mrtraveler01: What difference would that possibly make?


Perhaps I am overblowing it, but my thoughts go immediately to extravagantly wealthy individuals having yet another low-tax way to bequeath wealth to their progeny, the idea having zero other merits beyond "I've got mine, fark you."
 
2013-02-11 06:47:08 PM  

WhyteRaven74: SomeoneDumb: I have no idea where they fit on the evangelical scale.

they're on the batshiat crazy side


While often not being accepted by Protestant Evangelicals as true Christians, because of their additional prophetic and inspirational works produced by their prophet Ellen G. White. They recently came around to Trinitarianism, but that's still controversial among some.
 
2013-02-11 06:47:22 PM  
mongbiohazard:
Likewise the GOP has a problem with the latino vote... so their solution is to make some noise about fixing our illegal/legal immigration mess with confidence that's going to get the latino votes. They don't even realize how condescending that sounds or how incomplete it is. They can only insist so many times that they're not racist before the denials start wearing thin - and that time was some time ago.

So apparently when actual hispanics decide to talk about immigration (Rubio, e.g.) it is still racist...if you are a conservative hispanic. I get it. Only liberal hispanics are 'real' hispanics.
 
2013-02-11 06:47:32 PM  

WhyteRaven74: SomeoneDumb: I have no idea where they fit on the evangelical scale.

they're on the batshiat crazy side


That's a pretty crowded locale.
 
2013-02-11 06:48:38 PM  

k1j2b3: So apparently when actual hispanics decide to talk about immigration (Rubio, e.g.) it is still racist...if you are a conservative hispanic.


Actually, the real funny thing is that the right disagrees with Rubio's stance on immigration.

Thanks for making me laugh!
 
2013-02-11 06:48:53 PM  
dericwater:

Insurance is one way to mitigate this by spreading the cost to various people as opposed to lumping all the cost on the individual. But that still doesn't prevent ballooning prices for medical services. This is why all of healthcare must be a non-profit driven industry and must be heavily regulated.


Out of curiosity, can anyone think of any other heavily regulated and non-profit industry that isn't socialized (hate to break out the dirty word)?  Or can anyone make an argument why a non-profit that has to be heavily regulated shouldn't be? I really hope I see single pay or socialized hc in my life time.
 
2013-02-11 06:49:05 PM  

SomeoneDumb: That's a pretty crowded locale.


Yeah it's gotten rather crowded over the last 40 years
 
2013-02-11 06:49:49 PM  
Chalk one up to the "well, them Democrats want a nibong, we'll give them a nibong" with no understanding of why someone would vote for anyone that was black if that reason wasn't "skin color".
 
2013-02-11 06:51:28 PM  

quatchi: A'ight. You've convinced me. HSAs suck.

I see America as inevitably moving towards a single payer non employer based system in the long run and sorta thought of HSAs as a potentially helpful stop gap measure in that evolution but after further reflection it would most likely be a failed experiment that would ultimately hinder rather than help in that evolution.


They're a mix of suck and meh.  Individually, they might be right for you.  At my workplace, they offer a standard PPO and an HSA plan.  With the hefty employer HSA funding, the HSA plan is  alwayscomes out mathematically in your favor... whether you have ten forms of cancer or don't see a doc at all.  Comes out really well in the latter case.  Strangely, even though it's  always better, 85% of employees stick with the standard plan.

So, I evangelize it in the concrete case.  But, in the broad scope? It's not good. It doesn't bend the cost curve much, and tends to break down the "pooling" aspect that makes health insurance work at all.
 
2013-02-11 06:51:31 PM  

Uzzah: Sergeant Grumbles: But this guy's plan is worse.
Inheritable HSA's? I mean.... what the holy fark. Let's just drop the pretense that this is anything else but a way for the wealthy to further segregate themselves from those wretched poors.

It's a terrible idea for several reasons:

1. Doesn't do anything to require people to have healthcare. Half the population can't go without raiding their 401(k)s to buy flat-screen t.v.s and iPhones. What makes anybody think that the low-income people won't fund/borrow from (if possible) their HSAs, and choose to go without health insurance ... the same way they do now.

2. What steps are in place to make sure that insurance companies are offering coverage that will be affordable for those who have no resources other than the government subsidy? If the subsidy doesn't cover the cost of coverage, what good is it? If it does, but there's only one available option, how is that any different than the current Medicaid model?

3. "Personal responsibility" when it comes to healthcare is a largely bullshiat idea. If you give them the ability not to have insurance, some won't, whether it's out of income difficulties, disinterest, ennui, or whatever. But they'll still get sick/hurt anyway, and show up at the emergency room, just as they do now. Are we going to turn them away now because they've made bad choices to not have insurance that might have otherwise been available to them? How is this system really any different than what we have now, except that we're diverting more taxpayer dollars into private insurance companies?


Hmmm.... why would republicans push something like this? I'm almost there....

Plus any savings corporations would get from reduced health care benefits. FSMdamned corporations just don't care about people.
 
2013-02-11 06:51:34 PM  

k1j2b3: mongbiohazard:
Likewise the GOP has a problem with the latino vote... so their solution is to make some noise about fixing our illegal/legal immigration mess with confidence that's going to get the latino votes. They don't even realize how condescending that sounds or how incomplete it is. They can only insist so many times that they're not racist before the denials start wearing thin - and that time was some time ago.

So apparently when actual hispanics decide to talk about immigration (Rubio, e.g.) it is still racist...if you are a conservative hispanic. I get it. Only liberal hispanics are 'real' hispanics.


Rubio probably isn't a racist, but his party and their financial backers are. He's a marketing gimmick.

Plus you need to consider how everyone that isn't Cuban feels about the sweetheart treatment that Cubans get in terms of immigration.
 
2013-02-11 06:52:40 PM  
So HSAs have been working in Singapore for a while now. I personally worry about consumer fraud, failures of long term personal planning, and how the finical apparatus to actually save the money would work. That being said it's one of the more viable ways to address heath care problems, it a legitimate view.

A flat tax generally sucks, but he may have meant, or might be amenable to a consumption tax. Again there are some problems with a consumption tax, it's regressive at the very lowest income levels, but there are a few ways to address them - at least in theory. If he's for a consumption tax, that's also a viable view.

As long as he doesn't say anything about limiting contraception, a gold standard, or eliminating Social Security within the next 20 years, I'll listen. Nothing there is completely, irrevocably stupid.

That being said, I want to know about his plans for military spending, abortion, privacy and intellectual property. I want to know about his plans for immigration, torture, and long term energy. Since he doesn't have a policy background, I want to know who's on his team.
 
2013-02-11 06:52:46 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: We like the hell out of him, but people on the left HATE him because he isn't their expectations of what a black man should be. They are the racists. Anyone who disagrees with Obama is racist in liberals' eyes...even if they back another black person.


Yep, liberals should support ALL black people BECAUSE they're black, even if they hear voices and cling to outdated Republican ideology.
 
2013-02-11 06:52:57 PM  

Somacandra: SomeoneDumb: I have no idea where they fit on the evangelical scale.

While often not being accepted by Protestant Evangelicals as true Christians, because of their additional prophetic and inspirational works produced by their prophet Ellen G. White. They recently came around to Trinitarianism, but that's still controversial among some.


Thx.
 
2013-02-11 06:53:25 PM  

lennavan: For those of you without the time to read the article I summarized it for you:

A black guy born into poverty said "Fark you, I got mine."


www.biography.com

Approves
 
2013-02-11 06:53:36 PM  
I think you all missed what the HSA idea was about. Instead of paying into Medicare our whole lives, that would be put into a personal HSA account. At least, that was the basic idea. Dr. Carson said that there was more detail to it than that, so he was just throwing out an idea.

I think this makes sense. It would be in lieu of health insurance. You spend in on medical needs as necessary throughout life. It would be up to the elderly person with a lot to spend in his HSA account, if he wanted that knee replacement at 90 or a quadruple bypass at 85, or if he'd rather not spend that money and pass it on to his family.

Now, I see do see a problem with this simplified explanation. What happens to the baby at 2 years old that needs heart surgery and doesn't have enough money in an HSA?  I'd be curious to hear more about the whole idea.

People on this commenting board seem to think that if we do a new idea like this, that the system we have today will be the same one we are dealing with.  The whole point is to create cheaper and smarter healthcare. I think I would trust a neurosurgeon who has spent more than 35 years in healthcare and insurance to know more than 99% of the commenters.
 
2013-02-11 06:54:11 PM  
The GOP thinks they need to close the successful-black-man gap to have a successful candidate. They are ignoring the honesty gap and empathy gap to do so. That is why they'll lose.

This guy does nothing to close the empathy gap. He's so absurdly self-made I doubt he could empathize with anyone's plight, except for the rich boot-strappers who never needed help from no one.

Maybe he could win some honesty points, but nobody has asked him the tough questions that fall outside his wheel house, like how he'll win the right in the primaries without losing the moderates for the general election.
 
2013-02-11 06:54:25 PM  

DarwiOdrade: By the way, Ben Carson doesn't believe in, or seem to understand, evolution either: "I don't believe in evolution...evolution says that because there are these similarities, even though we can't specifically connect them, it proves that this is what happened."


The SDA church provided additional legal council to WIlliam Jennings Bryan in the Scopes trial. Their beef is not with evolutionary biology per se, but with geologic uniformitarianism (links to PDF) and its challenge to the Biblical Flood narrative. They see evobio as a consequence of unigeo.
 
2013-02-11 06:55:34 PM  

WhyteRaven74: SomeoneDumb: That's a pretty crowded locale.

Yeah it's gotten rather crowded over the last 40 years


They've been there for a while though.  They've probably got a nice section staked out.
 
2013-02-11 06:56:29 PM  

Mrtraveler01: k1j2b3: So apparently when actual hispanics decide to talk about immigration (Rubio, e.g.) it is still racist...if you are a conservative hispanic.

Actually, the real funny thing is that the right disagrees with Rubio's stance on immigration.

Thanks for making me laugh!


Your comment was about Republicans being racist for even talking about immigration, as if we are pandering to latinos. What does it matter who agrees with Rubio's ideas or not? He is a conservative latino talking about flipping immigration and throwing ideas out there...but still conservatives are racist?  You are insane.
 
2013-02-11 07:00:52 PM  

k1j2b3: I think you all missed what the HSA idea was about. Instead of paying into Medicare our whole lives, that would be put into a personal HSA account. At least, that was the basic idea. Dr. Carson said that there was more detail to it than that, so he was just throwing out an idea.

I think this makes sense. It would be in lieu of health insurance. You spend in on medical needs as necessary throughout life. It would be up to the elderly person with a lot to spend in his HSA account, if he wanted that knee replacement at 90 or a quadruple bypass at 85, or if he'd rather not spend that money and pass it on to his family.

Now, I see do see a problem with this simplified explanation. What happens to the baby at 2 years old that needs heart surgery and doesn't have enough money in an HSA?  I'd be curious to hear more about the whole idea.


Or you know, ANYONE that needs major medical care. Do you have any concept of what the average income is in this nation?

People on this commenting board seem to think that if we do a new idea like this, that the system we have today will be the same one we are dealing with.  The whole point is to create cheaper and smarter healthcare. I think I would trust a neurosurgeon who has spent more than 35 years in healthcare and insurance to know more than 99% of the commenters.

Do you think he's doing accounting or something? Because he isn't. Being smart or capable at something doesn't mean you're smart and capable in all things.
 
2013-02-11 07:01:23 PM  

hackalope: So HSAs have been working in Singapore for a while now. I personally worry about consumer fraud, failures of long term personal planning, and how the finical apparatus to actually save the money would work. That being said it's one of the more viable ways to address heath care problems, it a legitimate view.


A few things.  First, Singapore doctors (who accept the national insurance anyway) are strictly limited in what they can charge for any given procedure.  Hear a lot of support for price controls here?

Beyond that, fully half the working-age population of Singapore are 'guest workers', who get shipped back to Bangladesh or the Philippines when they hit 55 or start having medical issues, whichever comes first.   They do pay into the social insurance systems they don't stand a chance of getting anything out of though.  So that's nice.
 
2013-02-11 07:03:44 PM  
I hope he gets skewered in the primaries. Lots of ego driven crazy in that small blurb
 
2013-02-11 07:04:57 PM  
so much typical hatred and racism from the left.
 
2013-02-11 07:06:07 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: We like the hell out of him


I say this to you and I'm completely serious: If you truly like him you will have to fight tooth and nail for him. If he seriously throws his hat in the ring there will be a fierce pushback from many of the Fundamentalists that are still so powerful in the Republican Party. They were willing to hold their nose once for Romney---they will not abide being shut out two elections in a row, and especially not for guy who's modern prophet is a woman.
 
2013-02-11 07:06:48 PM  

DarwiOdrade: SomeoneDumb: Masso: Are USA ready for Seventh-Day Adventist President?

I have no idea where they fit on the evangelical scale.

To give you an idea, an SDA church I pass by on my way to & from work has this on their sign: If evolution were true, mothers would have four arms.


That sounds pretty standard for American Christians in general, actually.
 
2013-02-11 07:08:37 PM  

WhyteRaven74: SomeoneDumb: I have no idea where they fit on the evangelical scale.

they're on the batshiat crazy side


Their stance on Creationism is amusing:
"Universe? Could be billions of years old. Who knows. Our Earth? 6000 years old."


And how does one become a doctor without believing in embryology?
 
2013-02-11 07:08:55 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: so much typical hatred and racism from the left.


What I said to JWP goes for you too. Serious reactionary pushback to his candidacy will come both from racists and evangelicals in the Republican Party
 
2013-02-11 07:11:07 PM  
Moldy, Half-Eaten Ham Sandwich / Palin 2016!
 
2013-02-11 07:12:47 PM  

Mrtraveler01: Sergeant Grumbles: Mrtraveler01: HSA's are worthless.

I'm in my mid-20's and even I don't have one because I'd rather have comprehensive insurance instead of taking a chance and having to pay out of pocket for my medical expenses if something bad were to happen to me.

But this guy's plan is worse.
Inheritable HSA's? I mean.... what the holy fark. Let's just drop the pretense that this is anything else but a way for the wealthy to further segregate themselves from those wretched poors.

I don't even get the inheritable part.

What exactly does that mean?


I guess it means if you have any money left in your HSA after you get done paying for dying (an expensive thing to do in this country) you can will it to your kids.
 
2013-02-11 07:13:15 PM  

k1j2b3: I think I would trust a neurosurgeon who has spent more than 35 years in healthcare and insurance to know more than 99% of the commenters.


The American Medical Association, the American College of Physicians, the American Academy of Family Physicians, the American College of Surgeons, the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Congress of Obstetricians and Gynecologists, the American Society of Anesthesiologists, the American Osteopathic Association, the American Psychiatric Association, and the American College of Cardiology all support Obamacare.

But this one dude at Hopkins is against ObamaCare.

I would trust these 10 major medical groups representing hundreds of thousands of doctors over a wide variety of sub-specialties over his one guy.  But you wouldn't.  Hey, it is what it is.
 
2013-02-11 07:14:30 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: k1j2b3: mongbiohazard:
Likewise the GOP has a problem with the latino vote... so their solution is to make some noise about fixing our illegal/legal immigration mess with confidence that's going to get the latino votes. They don't even realize how condescending that sounds or how incomplete it is. They can only insist so many times that they're not racist before the denials start wearing thin - and that time was some time ago.

So apparently when actual hispanics decide to talk about immigration (Rubio, e.g.) it is still racist...if you are a conservative hispanic. I get it. Only liberal hispanics are 'real' hispanics.

Rubio probably isn't a racist, but his party and their financial backers are. He's a marketing gimmick.

Plus you need to consider how everyone that isn't Cuban feels about the sweetheart treatment that Cubans get in terms of immigration.


Being a naturalized Latino immigrant, allow me to break down the two reasons why I think the GOP's "softened" stance on immigration isn't going to work.

1.) Because even though they are now making a lot of noise about a path to citizenship, they are still very much adamant about slashing the safety net down to nothing, which a disproportionately poor demographic such as Hispanics still benefits greatly from.  This is why Marco Rubio isn't going to do shiat for them in securing the Latino vote in the end; because he is yet another "fark you I got mine" conservative who just knows how to roll his Rs.

It's not just the inherent racism and xenophobia; it's the fact that "job creator" fellators like Rubio are all too happy to eliminate pell grants, student loans, and other vital forms of government assistance that help us Latinos to get ahead, so they can provide yet another corporate tax break.

2.) Because the GOP still has a HUGE problem renouncing their kooks.  Whenever one of these assholes says something stupid, the GOP reaction at large is usually half-assed and contrived, and does not address the problem at large.  They usually say something along the lines of "that's not the language I would have used" instead of fully repudiating the mentality behind said statement; it's always just "I'm sorry you were offended" bullshiat.

And, as pointed out, Rubio is Cuban.  He has had a completely different experience than the rest of us immigrants.  I don't resent him for it, but I do resent the fact that there is perceived notion that just because we're both Latino, we're going to relate.  He did not experience the trials and tribulations the majority of us have to go through to obtain citizenship, and while he does have a more evolved position than the rest of his party when he comes to immigration, he still refuses to publicly acknowledge that his own party has alienated Latinos to an immeasurable degree.

His interview with Stewart was direct evidence.  Stewart flat out told him the GOP needs to soften its rhetoric towards Latinos, and Rubio basically said "No, I don't see that".  He was either oblivious to it (unlikely) or was pretending to be, which is worse.
 
2013-02-11 07:15:29 PM  
He has a lot of quick, pat answers on some big issues.

Interesting, but let's see how this plays out.
 
2013-02-11 07:21:09 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: NFA: In fact he said Americans desperately need healthcare.

But he said the best way to do that was with HSA's that could be passed on via inheritance, and that the government would still pay for the indigent. That sounds worse than what we already have. We need to get the free market as far away from healthcare as possible.


I had a professor like this in when I was in college back in 2009. He was a genius guy, but that whole idea astounds me just from a policy perspective. He basically said "look, if the problem is people unable to get insurance, than the least invasive solution is for the government to back private pre-existing condition insurance plans like they do student loans! Once the free market knows there is profit to be made, we can have universal coverage if people want it while leaving people free to not buy insurance if they want!"

He was also someone who complained about both parties pursuing rent-seeking policy, and I can't think of anything more rent-seeking than the government agreeing to cover any losses if someone gets sick but in return the person has to pay a private company to get that government care. There's a reason we stopped doing the student loan thing he mentioned: it makes no sense to have a middleman who exists entirely to profit from the deal. Add in the fact that so much of the safety net is on the chopping block because it's obviously full of lazy abusers, and that tells me his solution would end up casting everyone who has ever gotten cancer and then had their policy lapse is now one of those selfish takers who are scamming the system.
 
2013-02-11 07:25:53 PM  

MacEnvy: So all the GOP needs to do to win is "black it up" a little? You morons, this is why you will continue to lose. You honestly think it's about race and not about policy. You epic failures of human beings.


Not to mention the Republicans are playing the Long Primary that caused Romney to implode.  Why the fark are they running for 2016, again?  2014 is right around the corner and a lot of people are realizing the Republican Congress is doing a lot of shiatty things right now.  Not to mention it's quite pointless to start looking for someone to run against a President who won't even be able to run in 2016.  Why are they choose an Obamabuster now?

The Republicans are trying their hardest to paste their shiatty viewpoints on someone who isn't an old white asshole and it simply is not working.  Not only are they still pulling their same old tired shiat, they're still fighting against a president that kicked their asses twice who has basically won against them.  Yet notice they're still farking that chicken as well.
 
2013-02-11 07:27:28 PM  
Well he did have to practice on his own brain first...
 
2013-02-11 07:27:57 PM  

Grungehamster: Add in the fact that so much of the safety net is on the chopping block because it's obviously full of lazy abusers, and that tells me his solution would end up casting everyone who has ever gotten cancer and then had their policy lapse is now one of those selfish takers who are scamming the system.


It says it on the tin. "Government pays for the indigent."
One guess what the right's new talking point will be.
 
2013-02-11 07:29:02 PM  

Guntram Shatterhand: MacEnvy: So all the GOP needs to do to win is "black it up" a little? You morons, this is why you will continue to lose. You honestly think it's about race and not about policy. You epic failures of human beings.

Not to mention the Republicans are playing the Long Primary that caused Romney to implode.  Why the fark are they running for 2016, again?  2014 is right around the corner and a lot of people are realizing the Republican Congress is doing a lot of shiatty things right now.  Not to mention it's quite pointless to start looking for someone to run against a President who won't even be able to run in 2016.  Why are they choose an Obamabuster now?

The Republicans are trying their hardest to paste their shiatty viewpoints on someone who isn't an old white asshole and it simply is not working.  Not only are they still pulling their same old tired shiat, they're still fighting against a president that kicked their asses twice who has basically won against them.  Yet notice they're still farking that chicken as well.


They're honestly just desperate.  It's like they're a shiatty real estate agent trying to sell a house with serious foundation issues.  They're trying to play every possible angle making sure the buyer doesn't notice the goddamn house is farking falling apart.
 
2013-02-11 07:29:32 PM  
What, Ben Carson made it to FARK?

*checks link*

Holy molly, Ben Carson! That guy gets:

BATMAN RESPECT KNUCKLES
www.personal.psu.edu
 
2013-02-11 07:29:53 PM  

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: I guess it means if you have any money left in your HSA after you get done paying for dying (an expensive thing to do in this country) you can will it to your kids.


Which you already can do.  However, unless the balance is going to your spouse (where it can roll into their HSA), the transfer is treated as taxable income, just like inheriting a traditional IRA (because it was tax-exempt when it was contributed).

What the Romneys and other GOP millionaires just cannot get is that the majority of Americans (in the zero, 10% or 15% brackets) simply aren't highly motivated by and don't go around planning their lives around tax shelters and exemptions.  I guess it's a bigger deal to people who might be in the 38% bracket and worried that they might pay lots on an inherited HSA. Tiny, tiny violin time.
 
2013-02-11 07:32:24 PM  
images.businessweek.com
"I like the cut of your jib. Though, uh, you've kept away from the white women, right?"
 
2013-02-11 07:32:50 PM  
Ben Carson?  The knife-wielding street fighter who became master of the scalpel?
 
2013-02-11 07:33:07 PM  
One more guy who's really good at one thing so he thinks he knows everything about everything?  Have we seen this before?

///this problem comes up a lot with doctors in particular
//though they're not the only ones
 
2013-02-11 07:33:46 PM  
Ben Carson comes out in favor of Health Savings Accounts and a flat tax and suddenly he vaults into the lead for the Republican nomination.  if that's the case it speaks volumes to the low quality of Republican candidates.  Just because Carson believes these things doesn't make them any more or less valid.  A flat tax is regressive plain and simple.  HSA's for everyone may sound good but how much can the average and below average worker put into an HSA to cover himself and the family.  The government will help but how much will that cost?  "The devil is in the details" may sound cliched but Carson will soon learn that things are not as simple as they appear.
 
2013-02-11 07:35:43 PM  

Somacandra: [upload.wikimedia.org image 198x202]

This is America. Theoretically, anyone's got a chance. Let him run. I don't think he'll get past the primaries, but who knows? Give it a shot.

[checks Wiki....]

Oh shiat....he's a Seventh-Day Adventist? Good luck with that. I would be very very surprised if he gets the Fundie nod. Then again, then held their noses for Romney and Joseph Smith. They might hold their nose for Carson and Ellen G. White.


Some Fundamentalist sects are more or less inclusive. Such as the Mormons. Adventists are not at all inclusive. Their religious snobbery knows no bounds. They alienate other Fundies too.
 
2013-02-11 07:37:22 PM  
"We can make contributions for people who are indigent," Carson said. "Instead of sending all this money to some bureaucracy, let's put it in their HSAs.

Indigent people have HSAs?

Seriously can we stop acting like an HSA does anything at all to cover health care costs? HSA is a tax cut for people who already have health insurance.
 
2013-02-11 07:37:47 PM  

runwiz: HSA's for everyone may sound good but how much can the average and below average worker put into an HSA to cover himself and the family.


Considering my current employer isn't doing 401K matching again this year, I'm going to guess the answer is none of them, and the right's solution will be something something bootstraps, something something I got mine.
 
2013-02-11 07:38:28 PM  

homelessdude: He has a lot of quick, pat answers on some big issues.

Interesting, but let's see how this plays out.


Does he have any long, thoughtful answers?
 
2013-02-11 07:38:36 PM  
When it comes to taxes, Carson pushed for a flat income tax by citing the biblical concept of tithing.

This alone suggests the man may be a deep well of weapons-grade derp.
 
2013-02-11 07:40:01 PM  

what_now: "We can make contributions for people who are indigent," Carson said. "Instead of sending all this money to some bureaucracy, let's put it in their HSAs.

Indigent people have HSAs?

Seriously can we stop acting like an HSA does anything at all to cover health care costs? HSA is a tax cut for people who already have health insurance.


They would if they stopped wasting their money on refrigerators and shiat.
 
2013-02-11 07:41:30 PM  
It's only 2013. We don't have to come up with candidates to be Not Mitt Romney for another year, at least.

Well, Not Whoever The Owners Of The GOP Decide Is Electable, I guess. Although I'd leave to see Captain Mitthab take another run at the big seat in 2016.
 
2013-02-11 07:44:05 PM  

Grungehamster: Sergeant Grumbles: NFA: In fact he said Americans desperately need healthcare.

But he said the best way to do that was with HSA's that could be passed on via inheritance, and that the government would still pay for the indigent. That sounds worse than what we already have. We need to get the free market as far away from healthcare as possible.

I had a professor like this in when I was in college back in 2009. He was a genius guy, but that whole idea astounds me just from a policy perspective. He basically said "look, if the problem is people unable to get insurance, than the least invasive solution is for the government to back private pre-existing condition insurance plans like they do student loans! Once the free market knows there is profit to be made, we can have universal coverage if people want it while leaving people free to not buy insurance if they want!"


Wait a minute there.
You can a college professor, a theoretically well-education man - who thinks the free market hasn't already realized there's a shiat-ton of profit to be made in health care?

I'd ask for a refund of the money you spent to sit in his class.
 
2013-02-11 07:44:16 PM  

slayer199: Still a member of the GOP and I didn't see him say much about his social policies.  If he's a social moderate, the GOP establishment won't give him a shot...if he's a wacky social conservative, the electorate won't give him a shot.


Creationist.
 
2013-02-11 07:46:04 PM  
Just another rich asshole.

And fark the GOP.  They literally think that they can win with this rich fark who just happens to be black.  Racists.
 
2013-02-11 07:46:37 PM  

colon_pow: so you're paying $2500-3000 per year for insurance whether you get sick or not.
i pay about $35/month for a $6000 deductible, put $300/month in the HSA and pay all my medical bills out of that.  I've been coming out ahead for the past 2 years i've been doing it that way.


That's the thing about HSAs; they're great just so long as you don't get sick or injured.
 
2013-02-11 07:48:08 PM  
It's like bizzaro candidates;

"Oh, you have Hillary Clinton...Well...uh...We have...a woman too. Somewhere, uh yeah here's...Sarah Palin! So all you womans can totally vote for us! Oh, uh, a black guy? Yeah we've got...uh, black guys. So, you know. Vote Republican...uh...dawg."
 
2013-02-11 07:49:06 PM  
He wants to base our tax policy on the bible. The tax policy influencing the biggest economy in the world based on guidance regarding payments to a church written in a book by desert nomads thousands of years ago when people sacrificed animals to please the gods and thought a magical sky person told them not to eat bacon.

 I don't care how many degrees he has, he's an idiot.
 
2013-02-11 07:50:32 PM  
When it comes to taxes, Carson pushed for a flat income tax by citing the biblical concept of tithing.

Because law should be based on religion? Really the reason why Republicans like him is because he is black? But they are against affirmative action right?
 
2013-02-11 07:51:01 PM  

Infernalist: Just another rich asshole.



And you know this... how?

Read his autobiography first, then you can judge:

cdn-parable.com
 
2013-02-11 07:52:36 PM  
"We can make contributions for people who are indigent," Carson said. "Instead of sending all this money to some bureaucracy, let's put it in their HSAs. Now they have some control over their own health care. And very quickly they're going to learn how to be responsible."

OK, I see how you can do some things to be responsible for your own health. Work out, eat right, stop smoking, slap on some suntan lotion when you go to the beach, so on and so forth.

But take just my family for example. How's my dad supposed to responsibly avoid having the diabetes he's had since birth? How about the uncle who got prostate cancer - how's he supposed to cut down the odds of that happening? My mom's breast cancer scare - what'd she do wrong? My brother that got run over by a drunk driver while walking to work one morning - what's Carson's plan to not have that happen?

I suppose a HSA could work for regularly expected things. Twice yearly dental checkups, new glasses, maybe some kind of cheapish regular allergy or birth control meds. But I'm pretty sure the first time you have to actually go into a hospital, that thing'll disappear like a fart in high wind.

If his plan is to take all the money we're currently spending and redirect it to HSA - then why don't we just take all the money we're spending and redirect it to single payer?
 
2013-02-11 07:53:29 PM  
Good point subby a black guy who believes normal GOP dogma how could he ever lose???

upload.wikimedia.org

Oh yeah, that's how!!!
 
2013-02-11 07:55:11 PM  

Doktor_Zhivago: spiderpaz: Why would I want someone as egotistical as a neurosurgeon to be my President?  How does that make them a good President?  Is his qualification that he's black .... and that's it? 
So I guess the GOP still just doesn't get it and they're going to shoot themselves in the foot AGAIN.

Gais... Gais... Guess what.. Gaissssss. GAIS! WE GOT A BLACK GUY!

That means we're not racist cause we have a black friend now!

Gais, Gais, This is sweet we are so not racist now. We got Herman Cain, this dude, and Marco Rubio! That's like three! Gais! THREE!!

We are SO not racist.  We love minorities so much they make up .000000000001% of the party and we'll talk about them for like 10 whole minutes before stuffing them into their minority cage until the next election cycle.

Gais. Now let's call the democrats racist cause we have a black gai.  Yeah.. That's the ticket.  That's why everyone hates us, not enough black gais.


And women! We have women! Look at all these women on Fox News! And Palin!

WHY DON'T PEOPLE LOVE US YEEEEEETTTTT?!!!?!
 
2013-02-11 07:58:01 PM  
Stupid Republicans, People didn't vote for Obama just because he was black like you idiots think. You thinking you can run ANOTHER black Republicans saying the same BS is not going to everyone voting for them. It's failed every time you have tried.

It's WHAT these people say not what color they are you idiots. But you guys are so racist and think people can only vote for someone like Obama because he is black because you are superficial idiots.
 
2013-02-11 07:58:12 PM  
s1.hubimg.com
 
2013-02-11 08:00:27 PM  

GilRuiz1: Infernalist: Just another rich asshole.


And you know this... how?

Read his autobiography first, then you can judge:

[cdn-parable.com image 249x400]


I don't need to read a book to know he's an asshole who got the nod because he's rich, black and hates taxes.

He's Herman Cain, minus the stupid.
 
2013-02-11 08:02:58 PM  

GilRuiz1: Read his autobiography first, then you can judge


I love how the GOP primaries are a glorified book tour where they try to rake in as much cash as possible while simultaneously trying like hell to avoid the nomination. Looks like Dr. Carson is off to a good start.
 
2013-02-11 08:05:52 PM  
So my understanding this guy has NO political experience, and they want him to be president?

I remembered when they used to attack Obama for not having enough political experience (heck they were even doing it last election after he was president for 4 years) when he had around 10 years of political experience when he first ran.
 
2013-02-11 08:07:02 PM  
Typical GOP logic. Find someone black to say that Obama care sucks. Suddenly everyone black will vote GOP.
 
2013-02-11 08:08:13 PM  

thornhill: Typical GOP logic. Find someone black to say that Obama care sucks. Suddenly everyone black will vote GOP.


They think everyone else is as racist as them.
 
2013-02-11 08:08:50 PM  

Karac: "We can make contributions for people who are indigent," Carson said. "Instead of sending all this money to some bureaucracy, let's put it in their HSAs. Now they have some control over their own health care. And very quickly they're going to learn how to be responsible."

OK, I see how you can do some things to be responsible for your own health. Work out, eat right, stop smoking, slap on some suntan lotion when you go to the beach, so on and so forth.

But take just my family for example. How's my dad supposed to responsibly avoid having the diabetes he's had since birth? How about the uncle who got prostate cancer - how's he supposed to cut down the odds of that happening? My mom's breast cancer scare - what'd she do wrong? My brother that got run over by a drunk driver while walking to work one morning - what's Carson's plan to not have that happen?

I suppose a HSA could work for regularly expected things. Twice yearly dental checkups, new glasses, maybe some kind of cheapish regular allergy or birth control meds. But I'm pretty sure the first time you have to actually go into a hospital, that thing'll disappear like a fart in high wind.

If his plan is to take all the money we're currently spending and redirect it to HSA - then why don't we just take all the money we're spending and redirect it to single payer?


Because somehow people think the reason healthcare is so damn expensive in America is that it's too easy to obtain and so people are abusing all that free healthcare emergency rooms, Medicaid, and Medicare provide. Once you make it difficult, people will start living better lives to avoid being financially ruined by a bad case of influenza.

I just can't fathom how people honestly believe healthcare, one of the most inelastic markets on the planet, is brimming with moral hazard if it's treated as a public utility.
 
2013-02-11 08:08:55 PM  

GilRuiz1: BATMAN RESPECT KNUCKLES


So we've heard from the 12 year olds.  Nice to have their position out there.  Good.  Good.  Glad to have that over with.
 
2013-02-11 08:09:47 PM  
Take a close look at the math for this guy's plan.
1) You'll be able to sock away pre-tax money into a HSA.
2) Which your heirs can inherit tax free.

Since the estate tax doesn't kick in unless your kids inherit more than 5 million, then we can all agree that that second part is completely farking worthless to the vast majority of Americans.

Now lets take a look at the first part.  Pretend you got cancer today - could you afford to get cured with the money you have in your bank account?  Could you afford to get cured if you had never paid income taxes on ANYTHING, and your bank account was ~20% higher than it is now?  If you answered no, then this guy's plan probably isn't the best idea for you.
 
2013-02-11 08:12:47 PM  
www.institutcoppet.org
 
2013-02-11 08:12:52 PM  
I wish the GOP would just stop with these pathetic attempts to attract me. They put up these assholes like Ben Carson who are an insult to decent people everywhere. I'm really glad that his mom taught him to value education and reading. Too bad she didn't teach him how to be a caring human being.

Seriously, fark that guy AND his autobiography.

On another note, fark the GOP, which is pretty much filled with racist douchetools. There was probably a time that I would consider voting for Republicans, but as I learned more about the history of the GOP, I realized that such a time ended once Eisenhower left office.
 
2013-02-11 08:15:01 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: so much typical hatred and racism from the left.


So much shilling from the partisan troll.
 
2013-02-11 08:17:48 PM  

Raharu: tenpoundsofcheese: so much typical hatred and racism from the left.

So much shilling from the partisan troll.


You're not partisan though.
 
2013-02-11 08:17:55 PM  

Grungehamster: Because somehow people think the reason healthcare is so damn expensive in America is that it's too easy to obtain and so people are abusing all that free healthcare emergency rooms, Medicaid, and Medicare provide. Once you make it difficult, people will start living better lives to avoid being financially ruined by a bad case of influenza.

I just can't fathom how people honestly believe healthcare, one of the most inelastic markets on the planet, is brimming with moral hazard if it's treated as a public utility.


It's a lot easier to believe that if you steadfastly refuse to look  anywhere else in the world.  There's already nowhere else in the world where needing medical care is more financially 'invisible hand' punished than in the ante-PPACA USA.  There is also nowhere else where health care is as expensive.  Some countries do have slightly higher rates of doctor's office visits for minor conditions than us (the French do apparently just love going in and getting pills), but they still manage to be much, much, much cheaper than the US system.
 
2013-02-11 08:18:10 PM  

MacEnvy: So all the GOP needs to do to win is "black it up" a little? You morons, this is why you will continue to lose. You honestly think it's about race and not about policy. You epic failures of human beings.


No, to them it's about the 'message'.  Doing the right thing be damned, and all that.
 
2013-02-11 08:19:47 PM  

Elandriel: What the shiat?  This guy is just Michael Steele with a scalpel.  He's a cookie cutter republican bozo who has no concept of progressive taxation or proper methods to ensure the health of the nation.

Being from poverty you would think he'd be more aware or the asinine nature of modern conservatism, but hey he's rich now.  He really is the epitome of GOP candidacy - a purebred first generation "fark you, I got mine".


That's a lot of wasted characters. Next time shorten it to, "His opinions differ from mine."
 
2013-02-11 08:20:27 PM  
He's a neurosurgeon?  I wonder how much compassion and intelligence he's surreptitiously cut out of patients' brains.
 
2013-02-11 08:21:17 PM  
It's things like this that really bring home the painful truth:

They really do believe that people voted for BO because he's black.

Screw the whole 'hope and change' thing, and how charismatic the man is, or his intellect or ability to try and work with both sides...

Nevermind all that 'political' stuff.  They sincerely believe that he won because he's black.
 
2013-02-11 08:24:20 PM  

jigger: Raharu: tenpoundsofcheese: so much typical hatred and racism from the left.

So much shilling from the partisan troll.

You're not partisan though.


I'm not. I can acknowledge my own failings and mistakes, and those of people in power regardless of political affiliation.
 
2013-02-11 08:24:33 PM  

Infernalist: It's things like this that really bring home the painful truth:

They really do believe that people voted for BO because he's black.

Screw the whole 'hope and change' thing, and how charismatic the man is, or his intellect or ability to try and work with both sides...

Nevermind all that 'political' stuff.  They sincerely believe that he won because he's black.


You're forgetting that each and every one of his supporters ("worshippers"--that'll teach those libtards) is a freeloader looking for a handout, or just ignorant about how bad he is for the nation.
 
2013-02-11 08:24:57 PM  
The cost of medical care will be solved by free-market solutions the same day that the recording industry stamps out piracy.

When you give someone both the power to choose your product and its cost, you lose.
 
2013-02-11 08:28:38 PM  

k1j2b3: What happens to the baby at 2 years old that needs heart surgery and doesn't have enough money in an HSA?  I'd be curious to hear more about the whole idea


What do you mean, more? With HSAs, there is no more. Either the money is there or it isn't. If baby needs surgery and the account is empty, then the family has to pay for that surgery out of pocket.

That's the whole story. There is no "more" that magically makes it all a better idea.

Now HSAs aren't completely evil. They have a place. For example, I don't have vision coverage though my job, so I put a few hundred dollars into my HSA every year and use that for my eye exam and a pair of glasses, and I don't have to pay taxes on that money.

But as a replacement for insurance? No way.
 
2013-02-11 08:33:04 PM  
 "If the Lord grabbed me by the collar and made me do it, I would. It's not my intention."
When it comes to taxes, Carson pushed for a flat income tax by citing the biblical concept of tithing.


Farking religious whack-job.
 
2013-02-11 08:34:40 PM  

jjorsett: That's a lot of wasted characters. Next time shorten it to, "His opinions differ from mine."


Holier than thou only works if you're actually holier. Republicans are not holier.

Let's play a game. You make a list of all the mean names the bad Liberals called this man. I'll make a list of mean names Conservatives call President Obama on a regular basis. We'll see who has the worse list. Hint: it won't be you.
 
2013-02-11 08:37:19 PM  
So... They asked a medical specialist about health care, and his response was "Whichever option gives me the most money"? Colour me shocked.

Of course, this guy's obviously an unelectable loon anyway.
 
2013-02-11 08:41:38 PM  
Ha, the guy thinks that HSA's are going to solve our health care problems.
 
2013-02-11 08:43:02 PM  

Pincy: Ha, the guy thinks that HSA's are going to solve our health care problems.


Yep.  He might as well have said, "Why don't the poors just get more money when they need heath care?"
 
2013-02-11 08:43:42 PM  
A black

C'mon, guys.  We already know this isn't going to work.
 
2013-02-11 08:44:26 PM  

Karac: Grungehamster: Sergeant Grumbles: NFA: In fact he said Americans desperately need healthcare.

But he said the best way to do that was with HSA's that could be passed on via inheritance, and that the government would still pay for the indigent. That sounds worse than what we already have. We need to get the free market as far away from healthcare as possible.

I had a professor like this in when I was in college back in 2009. He was a genius guy, but that whole idea astounds me just from a policy perspective. He basically said "look, if the problem is people unable to get insurance, than the least invasive solution is for the government to back private pre-existing condition insurance plans like they do student loans! Once the free market knows there is profit to be made, we can have universal coverage if people want it while leaving people free to not buy insurance if they want!"

Wait a minute there.
You can a college professor, a theoretically well-education man - who thinks the free market hasn't already realized there's a shiat-ton of profit to be made in health care?

I'd ask for a refund of the money you spent to sit in his class.


He's honestly a really smart and respected guy in the field (here is where I share entirely too much personal information on the interwebs: it was Richard Cebula, who is currently ranked 123 on the list of most published economists in the country, and a look through his papers should show he's not exactly someone overly partisan: http://ideas.repec.org/e/pce99.html). Dude is damn smart, it just seemed like he was offering policy just as flawed if not moreso than the one he was rejecting in that particular case.

He wasn't talking about healthcare in general, he was saying this about there being no market for people deemed too high risk to be insured by private companies. He was saying "look, you shouldn't be affecting every American's healthcare options to deal with this matter. All you have to do is to set up a high risk category of insurance where private insurers will provide these people insurance with an above average but still reasonable premium, and in exchange the government will guarantee that if the person ends up costing more than they paid in the insurer will be reimbursed for the loss." It just seemed like you would be creating a moral hazard for insurers to push as many people onto the high-risk list, and then we'd essentially have single payer for all the worst off people (elderly, poor, and sickly), but with any savings of such a system skimmed off the top by firms who have not actually borne any of the risk involved.

Maybe I just misunderstood him, but that's what I got out of our discussion of the PPACA and his alternative suggestion.
 
2013-02-11 08:44:57 PM  

born_yesterday: Pincy: Ha, the guy thinks that HSA's are going to solve our health care problems.

Yep.  He might as well have said, "Why don't the poors just get more money when they need heath care?"


Or better yet, why can't everybody just become a neurosurgeon and be rich like me.
 
2013-02-11 08:51:44 PM  
What a black christian neurosurgeon might look like, as depicted by Cuba Gooding Jr.: ecx.images-amazon.com
Seriously, this whole thing screams "Christian book tour."
 
2013-02-11 08:53:19 PM  

Zmog: homelessdude: He has a lot of quick, pat answers on some big issues.

Interesting, but let's see how this plays out.
---
Does he have any long, thoughtful answers?



Well, he is at that point where as a maybe, if-it-happens, i-might-begin-to-think-about-it, possible, pre-pre-pre-candidate, he is not going to give out too much in the way of specifics. He's got the book, obivously the smarts and a nice ease in front of people. Somebody to keep an eye out for, but he is just dipping his toe in the water at this time, if that.

Or more likely, at this time it is a lot of other people hoping he jumps in as opposed to him making any moves himself.

We shall see.
 
2013-02-11 08:55:42 PM  
Here's Dr. Carson with his solution to the health care crisis in this country.

CARSON:  Here's my solution: When a person is born, give him a birth certificate, an electronic medical record, and a health savings account to which money can be contributed -- pretax -- from the time you're born 'til the time you die.  When you die, you can pass it on to your family members, so that when you're 85 years old and you got six diseases, you're not trying to spend up everything. You're happy to pass it on and there's nobody talking about 'death panels.'  Number one.  And also, for the people who were indigent who don't have any money, we can make contributions to their HSA each month because we already have this huge pot of money. Instead of sending it to some bureaucracy, let's put it in their HSAs.  Now they have some control over their own health care.
 
2013-02-11 08:56:12 PM  

phritz: What a black christian neurosurgeon might look like, as depicted by Cuba Gooding Jr.: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]
Seriously, this whole thing screams "Christian book tour."


Maybe Fox News can book Cuba Gooding Jr. as an impersonator and Ron Paul can debate him.
 
2013-02-11 09:00:55 PM  

SlothB77: Here's Dr. Carson with his solution to the health care crisis in this country.

CARSON:  Here's my solution: When a person is born, give him a birth certificate, an electronic medical record, and a health savings account to which money can be contributed -- pretax -- from the time you're born 'til the time you die.  When you die, you can pass it on to your family members, so that when you're 85 years old and you got six diseases, you're not trying to spend up everything. You're happy to pass it on and there's nobody talking about 'death panels.'  Number one.  And also, for the people who were indigent who don't have any money, we can make contributions to their HSA each month because we already have this huge pot of money. Instead of sending it to some bureaucracy, let's put it in their HSAs.  Now they have some control over their own health care.


That is quite possibly the dumbest and most back-asswards idea for "health care reform" I have ever heard.
 
2013-02-11 09:02:26 PM  

SlothB77: Here's Dr. Carson with his solution to the health care crisis in this country.

CARSON:  Here's my solution: When a person is born, give him a birth certificate, an electronic medical record, and a health savings account to which money can be contributed -- pretax -- from the time you're born 'til the time you die.  When you die, you can pass it on to your family members, so that when you're 85 years old and you got six diseases, you're not trying to spend up everything. You're happy to pass it on and there's nobody talking about 'death panels.'  Number one.  And also, for the people who were indigent who don't have any money, we can make contributions to their HSA each month because we already have this huge pot of money. Instead of sending it to some bureaucracy, let's put it in their HSAs.  Now they have some control over their own health care.


Translation: "You're old and sick? Then just die already, or your kids suffer."  He's not making it past Iowa.
 
2013-02-11 09:03:03 PM  
The difference is in 2016 it isn't gonna be a black republican against a black democrat.  It would be a black republican against a white democrat.  Are those districts in Philadelphia gonna vote 100% democrat in that scenario?
 
2013-02-11 09:05:00 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: SlothB77: Here's Dr. Carson with his solution to the health care crisis in this country.

CARSON:  Here's my solution: When a person is born, give him a birth certificate, an electronic medical record, and a health savings account to which money can be contributed -- pretax -- from the time you're born 'til the time you die.  When you die, you can pass it on to your family members, so that when you're 85 years old and you got six diseases, you're not trying to spend up everything. You're happy to pass it on and there's nobody talking about 'death panels.'  Number one.  And also, for the people who were indigent who don't have any money, we can make contributions to their HSA each month because we already have this huge pot of money. Instead of sending it to some bureaucracy, let's put it in their HSAs.  Now they have some control over their own health care.

Translation: "You're old and sick? Then just die already, or your kids suffer."  He's not making it past Iowa.


Ummm...if you're choosing to die because you have six diseases and need to pass what little money you have left to your children, isn't that kinda sorta a little like facing a "death panel".  Or is it somehow better to force a person to choose to die (and then deny them the legal right to do so in the manner of their choosing)?
 
2013-02-11 09:05:15 PM  

k1j2b3: I think you all missed what the HSA idea was about. Instead of paying into Medicare our whole lives, that would be put into a personal HSA account. At least, that was the basic idea. Dr. Carson said that there was more detail to it than that, so he was just throwing out an idea.

I think this makes sense. It would be in lieu of health insurance. You spend in on medical needs as necessary throughout life. It would be up to the elderly person with a lot to spend in his HSA account, if he wanted that knee replacement at 90 or a quadruple bypass at 85, or if he'd rather not spend that money and pass it on to his family.

Now, I see do see a problem with this simplified explanation. What happens to the baby at 2 years old that needs heart surgery and doesn't have enough money in an HSA?  I'd be curious to hear more about the whole idea.

People on this commenting board seem to think that if we do a new idea like this, that the system we have today will be the same one we are dealing with.  The whole point is to create cheaper and smarter healthcare. I think I would trust a neurosurgeon who has spent more than 35 years in healthcare and insurance to know more than 99% of the commenters.


Unless he's working with hospital billing, he has minimal problems other than making sure he keeps his ICD codes straight. His billing staff knows about it, not him.

Seriously, MDs don't know much about insurance unless they're rattling around in a small private practice.
 
2013-02-11 09:07:32 PM  
The real litmus test will be if he can deliver a campaign commercial tour de force that will get everyone involved.

Because together, we can do this,. we can take this country back . (yt)
 
2013-02-11 09:07:58 PM  

Grungehamster: He wasn't talking about healthcare in general, he was saying this about there being no market for people deemed too high risk to be insured by private companies. He was saying "look, you shouldn't be affecting every American's healthcare options to deal with this matter. All you have to do is to set up a high risk category of insurance where private insurers will provide these people insurance with an above average but still reasonable premium, and in exchange the government will guarantee that if the person ends up costing more than they paid in the insurer will be reimbursed for the loss." It just seemed like you would be creating a moral hazard for insurers to push as many people onto the high-risk list, and then we'd essentially have single payer for all the worst off people (elderly, poor, and sickly), but with any savings of such a system skimmed off the top by firms who have not actually borne any of the risk involved.

Maybe I just misunderstood him, but that's what I got out of our discussion of the PPACA and his alternative suggestion.


Obviously, the 'privatize the profitable parts, socialize the expenses' bothers you like me.  There's also a lot of non-ivory-tower realities that go beyond questions of 'right'.

First, even for relatively healthy people, the status-quo-ante health insurance system is hated, not something they want preserved.

Second, there isn't some miniscule portion of the country who would need 'high risk' insurance.  Over a third of people who currently seek private health insurance are excluded due to risks.  If you merged Medicare and Medicaid (poor people have high comorbidities), you're  way over half the nation falling into the 'high risk pool'.

Third, if you managed to restrict things down to where only 20% or so of the population were in 'high risk pools' (force the insurers to take on more risk?), funding for those pools would be politically targeted every single year.
 
2013-02-11 09:08:15 PM  

SlothB77: The difference is in 2016 it isn't gonna be a black republican against a black democrat.  It would be a black republican against a white democrat.  Are those districts in Philadelphia gonna vote 100% democrat in that scenario?


arolemodel.com
 
2013-02-11 09:18:11 PM  

Lawnchair: Grungehamster: He wasn't talking about healthcare in general, he was saying this about there being no market for people deemed too high risk to be insured by private companies. He was saying "look, you shouldn't be affecting every American's healthcare options to deal with this matter. All you have to do is to set up a high risk category of insurance where private insurers will provide these people insurance with an above average but still reasonable premium, and in exchange the government will guarantee that if the person ends up costing more than they paid in the insurer will be reimbursed for the loss." It just seemed like you would be creating a moral hazard for insurers to push as many people onto the high-risk list, and then we'd essentially have single payer for all the worst off people (elderly, poor, and sickly), but with any savings of such a system skimmed off the top by firms who have not actually borne any of the risk involved.

Maybe I just misunderstood him, but that's what I got out of our discussion of the PPACA and his alternative suggestion.

Obviously, the 'privatize the profitable parts, socialize the expenses' bothers you like me.  There's also a lot of non-ivory-tower realities that go beyond questions of 'right'.

First, even for relatively healthy people, the status-quo-ante health insurance system is hated, not something they want preserved.

Second, there isn't some miniscule portion of the country who would need 'high risk' insurance.  Over a third of people who currently seek private health insurance are excluded due to risks.  If you merged Medicare and Medicaid (poor people have high comorbidities), you're  way over half the nation falling into the 'high risk pool'.

Third, if you managed to restrict things down to where only 20% or so of the population were in 'high risk pools' (force the insurers to take on more risk?), funding for those pools would be politically targeted every single year.


Yeah; I don't know why I didn't think of it, but I stumbled across this Megan McArdle article on the concept of reinsurance a couple days after he brought it up and forwarded it along to him (since he was saying why wasn't it even being discussed in the media, and I wanted to show him that it was addressed somewhere): http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2009/08/why-not-try-healt h -care-reinsurance/23514/

There, now I don't have to feel quite as bad trash-talking a guy I genuinely respect even when I severely disagree with his points. Check McArdle and her links if anyone is worried I am misrepresenting the idea.
 
2013-02-11 09:20:33 PM  

born_yesterday: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: SlothB77: Here's Dr. Carson with his solution to the health care crisis in this country.

CARSON:  Here's my solution: When a person is born, give him a birth certificate, an electronic medical record, and a health savings account to which money can be contributed -- pretax -- from the time you're born 'til the time you die.  When you die, you can pass it on to your family members, so that when you're 85 years old and you got six diseases, you're not trying to spend up everything. You're happy to pass it on and there's nobody talking about 'death panels.'  Number one.  And also, for the people who were indigent who don't have any money, we can make contributions to their HSA each month because we already have this huge pot of money. Instead of sending it to some bureaucracy, let's put it in their HSAs.  Now they have some control over their own health care.

Translation: "You're old and sick? Then just die already, or your kids suffer."  He's not making it past Iowa.

Ummm...if you're choosing to die because you have six diseases and need to pass what little money you have left to your children, isn't that kinda sorta a little like facing a "death panel".  Or is it somehow better to force a person to choose to die (and then deny them the legal right to do so in the manner of their choosing)?


No, that is NOT a death panel.  Choosing to die because you want to send your kids money - even though you have the money to get yourself fixed - is euthanasia.

Which means that even if this guy became president, and even if this plan became law, that part of it would get erased.  The first time someone decided to take advantage of that option you'd see a handful of senators get together on a federal holiday to pass a law requiring the courts to tell this guy to go back to the doctor.
 
2013-02-11 09:28:20 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: We like the hell out of him, but people on the left HATE him because he isn't their expectations of what a black man should be. They are the racists. Anyone who disagrees with Obama is racist in liberals' eyes...even if they back another black person.


Come back and say that  when the GOP actually nominates a black person for President.

(Psst: They will never nominate a black person for President).
 
2013-02-11 09:29:41 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: He won't even make it past Iowa. You know why? Because about 60% of Americans don't share his values. It's not the color of his skin. We just proved that in the last election.


It is in the Republican primaries. If I've learned anything in the last 4 years, it's that most staunch Republicans (the kind that go to primaries) left after the Bush abortion are foam-at-the-mouth racists.
 
2013-02-11 09:32:17 PM  

BSABSVR: Remember successful businessman and liberals' worst nightmare Herman Cain?


My parents actually liked the guy because they thought his 9-9-9 plan would lower their sales tax from 9.75% to 9% (TN residents). They didn't believe me when I explained it would mean paying an additional 9% Federal sales tax on everything.
 
2013-02-11 09:34:32 PM  

Smelly McUgly: There was probably a time that I would consider voting for Republicans, but as I learned more about the history of the GOP, I realized that such a time ended once Eisenhower left office.


That f*cking RINO?
 
2013-02-11 09:38:09 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: He's a neurosurgeon?  I wonder how much compassion and intelligence he's surreptitiously cut out of patients' brains.


www.iwatchstuff.com
 
2013-02-11 09:42:17 PM  

phritz: What a black christian neurosurgeon might look like, as depicted by Cuba Gooding Jr.: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]
Seriously, this whole thing screams "Christian book tour."


What a modern Republican might look like, coincidentally also depicted by Cuba Gooding, Jr:

content9.flixster.com
"Show me the money!"
 
2013-02-11 09:44:26 PM  
The only thing worse than a rich Republican saying "screw you, I got mine", is a rich Republican who used to be poor saying "screw you, I got mine".
 
2013-02-11 09:45:14 PM  
Wow, a doctor who doean't believe in evolution. What a complete f*cktard. I'd get a second opinion.
 
2013-02-11 09:49:11 PM  

SlothB77: Here's Dr. Carson with his solution to the health care crisis in this country.

CARSON:  Here's my solution: When a person is born, give him a birth certificate, an electronic medical record, and a health savings account to which money can be contributed -- pretax -- from the time you're born 'til the time you die.  When you die, you can pass it on to your family members, so that when you're 85 years old and you got six diseases, you're not trying to spend up everything. You're happy to pass it on and there's nobody talking about 'death panels.'  Number one.  And also, for the people who were indigent who don't have any money, we can make contributions to their HSA each month because we already have this huge pot of money. Instead of sending it to some bureaucracy, let's put it in their HSAs.  Now they have some control over their own health care.


For someone who makes a living providing medical care, this guy seems pretty ignorant of the fact that Medicare is far more efficient (in regards to the amount of money taken in that actually goes towards providing care) than any private health insurance company has ever been, mainly because they exist to provide medical treatment to people, not to make a profit. He probably doesn't like Medicare because they don't pay as much as the insurance companies for the same treatment, nor does Medicare agree to give certain doctors monopolies on providing treatment to those they cover in their area (a.k.a. "in network" doctors).
 
2013-02-11 09:49:40 PM  

DamnYankees: Has anyone ever been elected president without having either previously held some form of elected office or been a great military leader?


Hoover had never been elected to anything. Fortunately, nothing bad happened on his watch.
 
2013-02-11 09:51:43 PM  
I've had the unfortunate experience of spending time around a good many of the more prominent neurosurgeons in the mid-Atlantic. Carson is probably the least impressive, and I'm not just saying that because I'm a democrat.
 
2013-02-11 09:53:50 PM  

the biggest redneck here: I've had the unfortunate experience of spending time around a good many of the more prominent neurosurgeons in the mid-Atlantic. Carson is probably the least impressive, and I'm not just saying that because I'm a democrat.


You can't possibly be the biggest redneck, then.
 
2013-02-11 09:54:54 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: the biggest redneck here: I've had the unfortunate experience of spending time around a good many of the more prominent neurosurgeons in the mid-Atlantic. Carson is probably the least impressive, and I'm not just saying that because I'm a democrat.

You can't possibly be the biggest redneck, then.


The bar here is pretty low.
 
2013-02-11 10:14:37 PM  

DamnYankees: Has anyone ever been elected president without having either previously held some form of elected office or been a great military leader?


Herbert Hoover, maybe?  I am not sure, and too lazy to look it up.
 
2013-02-11 10:14:43 PM  
This was more a northern dig at southern-style racism while also haw-hawing the plight of blacks, but circa 1975 college aged a friend riddled "What do they call a black neurosurgeon in Alabama?" The answer of course was "Ni##er". Anyway, now we've got a black neurosurgeon to find out.
 
2013-02-11 10:21:18 PM  

ImpendingCynic: DamnYankees: Has anyone ever been elected president without having either previously held some form of elected office or been a great military leader?

Hoover had never been elected to anything. Fortunately, nothing bad happened on his watch.


lcweb2.loc.gov

Sees what you did there.
 
2013-02-11 10:23:18 PM  

the biggest redneck here: Sergeant Grumbles: the biggest redneck here: I've had the unfortunate experience of spending time around a good many of the more prominent neurosurgeons in the mid-Atlantic. Carson is probably the least impressive, and I'm not just saying that because I'm a democrat.

You can't possibly be the biggest redneck, then.

The bar here is pretty low.


In the past month or so, I've collected and washed eggs, killed a chicken, milked a cow, skinned and processed a deer, and helped repair a fuel line leak in a 2002 Ford F-350 dooley.

I've also listened to more country music than I ever want to hear again in my life. I'll put my redneck creds against anyone else here any day of the week, and I don't even call myself a redneck. I just have redneck family that I do redneck things with when I visit them, then I go back to my place and listen to Pink Floyd and work on VoIP and VPN's and do my best to not sound like I was raised in the South when I talk to people on the phone.
 
2013-02-11 10:30:13 PM  

stevetherobot: When it comes to taxes, Carson pushed for a flat income tax by citing the biblical concept of tithing. "Some people say, 'Well that's not fair because it doesn't hurt the guy who made $10 billion as much as the guy who made 10.' Where does it say you've got to hurt the guy? He just put a billion dollars in the pot. We don't need to hurt him,"

Except that people aren't complaining about not hurting the guy who made $10 billion. They are pointing out that a flat tax hurts the guy who made $10, while not significantly affecting the guy who made $10 billion.


His argument isn't even internally consistent. He's basically saying "We don't need to hurt the rich guy, so let's arbitrarily implement a system that hurts the poor guy more."
 
2013-02-11 10:30:41 PM  

ox45tallboy: the biggest redneck here: Sergeant Grumbles: the biggest redneck here: I've had the unfortunate experience of spending time around a good many of the more prominent neurosurgeons in the mid-Atlantic. Carson is probably the least impressive, and I'm not just saying that because I'm a democrat.

You can't possibly be the biggest redneck, then.

The bar here is pretty low.

In the past month or so, I've collected and washed eggs, killed a chicken, milked a cow, skinned and processed a deer, and helped repair a fuel line leak in a 2002 Ford F-350 dooley.

I've also listened to more country music than I ever want to hear again in my life. I'll put my redneck creds against anyone else here any day of the week, and I don't even call myself a redneck. I just have redneck family that I do redneck things with when I visit them, then I go back to my place and listen to Pink Floyd and work on VoIP and VPN's and do my best to not sound like I was raised in the South when I talk to people on the phone.


That fuel leak, what did you use to fix it - duct tape, or grits?
 
2013-02-11 10:32:59 PM  
Overheard at GOP HQ:
"This is a great opportunity to showcase the new GOP!  Somebody get that n****r on the line!"
 
2013-02-11 10:38:25 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Hannity tells a neurosurgeon he would vote for him in a heartbeat?!

Did he think the guy was also a cardiologist?
Shouldn't he have said something about the time it takes a synapse to fire?

WTF is Hannity thinking?


He knew he couldn't say "vote for you in a brainwave."  It sounds bad and Hannity knows he doesn't have any.
 
2013-02-11 10:38:50 PM  

Biological Ali: His argument isn't even internally consistent. He's basically saying "We don't need to hurt the rich guy, so let's arbitrarily implement a system that hurts the poor guy more."


It's perfectly consistent if you remember that Republicans think the rich will work harder if you give them more, and the poor will work harder if you give them less. Any tax on the rich is punishing success, but the poor must be punished for their failure or they'll never learn to succeed. If it's as simple as working hard, why won't they?
They seem to ignore that the successful are bringing the ladder up behind them... or accept that as the benefit of success, "I got mine, fark you."

I like how he brings up Cayman Island bank accounts, as if we haven't tried to get that money back with tax holidays...
I don't remember that working out very well, do you?
 
2013-02-11 10:39:21 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: so much typical hatred and racism from the left.


It's pretty easy to find racism when you make up your own definition of what it is.

You probably think I'm a racist for saying that.
 
2013-02-11 10:47:14 PM  
Dr. Ben Carson of may be an Oncological neurosurgeon,but he cured his own cancer with Glyconutrients!
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Available from your wife's friend who sells Mary Kay and colloidal minerals. Ask about the Multi-leval Marketing opportunies!
 
2013-02-11 10:57:01 PM  
Any medical doctor who opposes universal healthcare should be taken out and beaten with a caduceus.

/also, he's going to be too "sciencey" to make it past the GOP primary-by-derp.
 
2013-02-11 10:58:12 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Why a Johns Hopkins Neurosurgeon Is Getting 2016 Presidential Buzz

Because look at the GOP.

At this point, a moldy, half-eaten ham sandwich would generate 2016 presidential buzz.


No! Mr. Moldy, Half-Eaten Ham Sandwich has not expressed interest in running, so calm down, Republicans!


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Not amused.
 
2013-02-11 11:03:43 PM  
When a black guy shows up who agrees with the GOP, they fall all over themselves trying to prove they're not racist ("I would vote for you in a heartbeat") but their racism is in not realizing that most minorities don't vote against the GOP because there aren't enough brown Republicans, but rather there aren't enough brown Republicans because minorities don't like the GOP, because GOP policies suck for them. Change your stupid-ass policies which only support rich, white men (and a token few rich, brown men) and you might see some new support... but then you'd basically be Democrats.
 
2013-02-11 11:08:11 PM  
Other republicans "God" told to run for POTUS:
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Oh yeah, and this guy:
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God has a track record of having a great sense of humor.
 
2013-02-11 11:15:37 PM  

DrRatchet: Dr. Ben Carson of may be an Oncological neurosurgeon,but he cured his own cancer with Glyconutrients!


Oh, he's a complete farking quack, too? This just keeps getting better and better.
 
2013-02-11 11:18:09 PM  

DamnYankees: Has anyone ever been elected president without having either previously held some form of elected office or been a great military leader?


Cleveland came closest, with only about two years as a governor; then maybe Lincoln, who'd one session in the House and another 8 years in state legislature (but losing most of the offices he ran for).

On the other hand, the least experienced tend to be some of the best presidents, and the most experienced arguably some of the worst. Maybe we should throw out the electoral and popular votes and just do President by lottery?
 
2013-02-11 11:28:43 PM  

drhansenej: Wow, a doctor who doean't believe in evolution. What a complete f*cktard. I'd get a second opinion.


Even George W. Bush knew better than to play the young earth creationist game. He may have hedged his language so as not to alienate the tards, but he never said that evolution is a satanic plot to destroy faith.
 
2013-02-11 11:28:48 PM  
A) It's Johns Hopkins.
B) Carson did his undergrad at Yale and his med school at Michigan.  He did his residency at Hopkins.
C) This headline is all sorts of farked up.
 
2013-02-11 11:29:56 PM  
Yes, we'll need to protect this man and his reputation from the most insidious destructive force in America.

Liberals. Liberals who will stoop to any low and do anything to destroy any minority who disagrees with them. If you want to see racism, be a minority that disagrees with a liberal.
 
2013-02-11 11:33:03 PM  
ok, I see, the guy is an idiot. Flat tax and HSA's. Good jorb.
 
2013-02-11 11:36:24 PM  

Uzzah: 2. What steps are in place to make sure that insurance companies are offering coverage that will be affordable for those who have no resources other than the government subsidy? If the subsidy doesn't cover the cost of coverage, what good is it? If it does, but there's only one available option, how is that any different than the current Medicaid model?


You insert a private sector middle man into the equation... by design.
 
2013-02-11 11:42:10 PM  
He's Black AND a conservative!

It's crazy man!
 
2013-02-11 11:45:02 PM  

Mrtraveler01: He's Black AND a conservative!

It's crazy man!


I'm sure there were Jews in Germany in the 30s who hated communism. I doubt many rushed to join the Yahtzee Party.
 
2013-02-12 12:00:55 AM  

SlothB77: The difference is in 2016 it isn't gonna be a black republican against a black democrat.  It would be a black republican against a white democrat.  Are those districts in Philadelphia gonna vote 100% democrat in that scenario?


Are you suggesting the only reason they voted for Obama is black?
 
2013-02-12 12:05:24 AM  
The GOP put up a respectable war veteran and a pretty housewife against a black guy whose middle name is "Hussein" and they LOST.

The GOP put up a clueless repressed rich guy and a pretty gym rat against a black guy whose middle name is "Hussein" and they LOST AGAIN.

Putting a new mannequin in the window ain't gonna help, you dumb goobers. You need a new product line.
 
2013-02-12 12:06:33 AM  
Difficulty:
Chris O'donnel questioning his blackness
Cornell West calling him a house negro
Al Sharpton saying his entire career is some token gesture.
 
2013-02-12 12:08:15 AM  

Felgraf: SlothB77: The difference is in 2016 it isn't gonna be a black republican against a black democrat.  It would be a black republican against a white democrat.  Are those districts in Philadelphia gonna vote 100% democrat in that scenario?

Are you suggesting the only reason they voted for Obama is black?


Of course, black people would vote for a Republican if he was black too.

Just ask PA Governor Lynn Swann.

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/ElectionsInformation.aspx?Fun ct ionID=12&ElectionID=24#C2-0

Oh wait...
 
2013-02-12 12:13:14 AM  

randomjsa: Yes, we'll need to protect this man and his reputation from the most insidious destructive force in America.


Termites?  Is it termites?  No, no.  Rust!  That shiat ruins everything!  No, wait, water!  Rain, floods, broken levies, it even causes rust!  It's got to be water, right?

Liberals.

Oh, right!  Liberals!!

Well, they did free the slaves, give women the vote, stop child labor, end Jim Crow...

Boy, you're right, those liberals f*cked everything up!
 
2013-02-12 12:14:34 AM  

Lionel Mandrake: randomjsa: Yes, we'll need to protect this man and his reputation from the most insidious destructive force in America.

Termites?  Is it termites?  No, no.  Rust!  That shiat ruins everything!  No, wait, water!  Rain, floods, broken levies, it even causes rust!  It's got to be water, right?

Liberals.

Oh, right!  Liberals!!

Well, they did free the slaves, give women the vote, stop child labor, end Jim Crow...

Boy, you're right, those liberals f*cked everything up!


I agree. Us White Straight Christian Males sure had it real good until liberals farked it all up for us.

Thanks a lot liberals!
 
2013-02-12 12:18:12 AM  

lennavan: I would trust these 10 major medical groups representing hundreds of thousands of doctors over a wide variety of sub-specialties over his one guy.


Because it ins't as though any of those organizations or the people that represent them stand to benefit in any way from mandating that people purchase their products.  In other news, GM, AAA, goodyear tire and Exxon are pleased over the new government mandate that everyone purchase a car

.

born_yesterday: Ummm...if you're choosing to die because you have six diseases and need to pass what little money you have left to your children, isn't that kinda sorta a little like facing a "death panel".  Or is it somehow better to force a person to choose to die (and then deny them the legal right to do so in the manner of their choosing)?


No.  you're allowing an 85 year old who has terminal pancreatic cancer to pass on to their kids and grandkids the property that they acquired after a lifetime of work and paying into a system.  You know who else argued people shouldn't be allowed to pass property onto their relatives?
 
2013-02-12 12:26:49 AM  

Lawnchair: hackalope: So HSAs have been working in Singapore for a while now. I personally worry about consumer fraud, failures of long term personal planning, and how the finical apparatus to actually save the money would work. That being said it's one of the more viable ways to address heath care problems, it a legitimate view.

A few things.  First, Singapore doctors (who accept the national insurance anyway) are strictly limited in what they can charge for any given procedure.  Hear a lot of support for price controls here?

Beyond that, fully half the working-age population of Singapore are 'guest workers', who get shipped back to Bangladesh or the Philippines when they hit 55 or start having medical issues, whichever comes first.   They do pay into the social insurance systems they don't stand a chance of getting anything out of though.  So that's nice.


The shiatty treatment of guest workers is a matter of how much savings is put away, and the price of care is a general problem. It's not that I think HSAs are the only way to go, but every solution we have breaks down somewhere. I like the idea of a single payer, but it's got it's got cost of care and availability problems. The plan McCain had of stopping the healthcare tax subsidy, but continuing the private insurance might have helped a bit in the short term but doesn't deal with the primary problems with cost of care other than letting insurance companies deny people. The ACA was mostly about getting everyone on some private insurance, with parts trying to deal with profiteering and bringing down the cost of care. The fundamental idea of HSAs are to have people have responsibility for their own cost of care, and as an effect of that provides price sensitivity to a system that currently lacks it. There are a lot of problems with it, some of which I listed, and you mentioned a few specific to Singapore (which I need to do more reading on, because I wasn't aware of the guest worker issue), but I think my point stands that it's not bug nuts crazy.
 
2013-02-12 12:28:11 AM  

o5iiawah: No.  you're allowing an 85 year old who has terminal pancreatic cancer to pass on to their kids and grandkids the property that they acquired after a lifetime of work and paying into a system.  You know who else argued people shouldn't be allowed to pass property onto their relatives?


HSA MONEY IS ALREADY INHERITABLE!!!

It has been since the day the HSA program dribbled out of Ws drawers.

It is taxable at ordinary income rates for the inheritor, mind you, but it was put in pre-tax (just like a 401k/trad-IRA).  No extra penalties at all.

The only way your theory makes sense is if pancreatic-cancer-Joe says, "well, I could pass this to my kids, but my son is in the 25% bracket.  So, I guess I'll go ahead and have some extra painful and useless chemo to use up the rest of my HSA money so nobody has to pay any tax on it".

/ This is how Republicans believe people make decisions.
 
2013-02-12 12:33:03 AM  
Mrtraveler01: Lionel Mandrake: randomjsa: Yes, we'll need to protect this man and his reputation from the most insidious destructive force in America.

Termites?  Is it termites?  No, no.  Rust!  That shiat ruins everything!  No, wait, water!  Rain, floods, broken levies, it even causes rust!  It's got to be water, right?

Liberals.

Oh, right!  Liberals!!

Well, they did free the slaves, give women the vote, stop child labor, end Jim Crow...

Boy, you're right, those liberals f*cked everything up!

I agree. Us White Straight Christian Males sure had it real good until liberals farked it all up for us.


Thanks a lot liberals!


Before liberals:

2.bp.blogspot.com

After:

i.imgflip.com
 
2013-02-12 12:34:22 AM  

k1j2b3: MacEnvy: So all the GOP needs to do to win is "black it up" a little? You morons, this is why you will continue to lose. You honestly think it's about race and not about policy. You epic failures of human beings.

No, we need to choose candidates like Dr. Carson, who can clearly state the conservative position and give simple, thought-provoking solutions to our problems. Also, I love how he pointed out how political correctness keeps good ideas out of the mix.

I am looking for a smart candidate with the ability to explain conservative ideas to Americans in plain English. I couldn't care less if he was white, black, hispanic or asian. Dr. Carson was a breath of fresh air.


...well, then, the problem isn't your candidate. It's your platform.
 
2013-02-12 12:35:36 AM  
That's great and all, but I want to see a birth certificate and college transcripts.
 
2013-02-12 12:36:41 AM  

hackalope: The fundamental idea of HSAs are to have people have responsibility for their own cost of care, and as an effect of that provides price sensitivity to a system that currently lacks it. There are a lot of problems with it, some of which I listed, and you mentioned a few specific to Singapore


The biggest difference with Singapore isn't just the rarity of sick people (because they are sent home), it's that you *always* know the cost of a medical procedure.  Because the extreme-nanny-state (remember, this is the same place that basically bans chewing gum because it's a nuisance) declares that procedure X  will cost $Y.  Unlike US health care where most doctors couldn't quote you a price on anything if you held a gun to their head.

Of course, the fiat-set prices largely take away the 'comparison shopping' aspect of HSAs.  The Singaporean system does benefit a bit from the other half of the HSA equation (the people who shut up and suffer with ailments x and y, because they don't want to spend money).

Now, why do so many uber-libertarians who've never been there go all moon-eyed over an extreme near-totalitarian Bloomberg's-wet-dream nanny-state? That I'll never really understand.
 
2013-02-12 12:38:18 AM  
Also, congrats to the GOP on having a black guy.  Very exciting times.  It's almost as exciting as the Hispanic guy in the Senate.
 
2013-02-12 12:41:43 AM  
When you die, you can pass it on to your family members, so that when you're 85 years old and you got six diseases, you're not trying to spend up everything. You're happy to pass it on and there's nobody talking about 'death panels.'

A family will never say "pull the plug before the HSA is empty".  Never.  Or wait...always.  Always.  Now the death panels can be staffed by your own kin!
 
2013-02-12 12:54:03 AM  

Felgraf: SlothB77: The difference is in 2016 it isn't gonna be a black republican against a black democrat.  It would be a black republican against a white democrat.  Are those districts in Philadelphia gonna vote 100% democrat in that scenario?

Are you suggesting the only reason they voted for Obama is black?


Sloth is a moron if he thinks North Philly, Southwest and the blacker parts of West Philly voted Democratic in 2008 and 2012 because the candidate was black; they've been voting solidly Democratic since (and even though) FDR redlined their asses.

However, I can tell you for a fact that the older, whiter parts of South Philly voted for McCain and maybe for Romney because Obama is an "eggplant".
 
2013-02-12 01:19:21 AM  

slayer199: Still a member of the GOP and I didn't see him say much about his social policies.  If he's a social moderate, the GOP establishment won't give him a shot...if he's a wacky social conservative, the electorate won't give him a shot.


LOL, good succinct summary of why (R) will have a hard time with its current demographic makeup.
 
2013-02-12 02:09:05 AM  

Karac: That fuel leak, what did you use to fix it - duct tape, or grits?


Baby powder and a dental mirror. I wish I was joking.

Actually we sprayed down the whole area with baby powder and looked at what was wet using the mirror to see underneath the fuel lines, then wound up replacing a sensor seal.

I wonder if that neurosurgeon dude has ever done any of that stuff.
 
2013-02-12 02:17:41 AM  

abb3w: Maybe we should throw out the electoral and popular votes and just do President by lottery?


a.abcnews.com
"Gambling for the presidency? I like it!"

i2.cdn.turner.com
"You see, the house always wins..."

www.theblaze.com
",,,And I own the house."
 
2013-02-12 02:26:16 AM  
So when this guy gets the nomination in 2016 and loses, will the gop admit that Obama didn't win because he was black? They won't? Well, will they at least stop concentrating on race and just run on the issues in 2020? No, they'll double down on the same thing that lost them the previous election, even though they were running against the same person and should've learned from it? Well, are they at least going to change things up in 2024? They won't be around in 2024? That's a shame.
 
2013-02-12 02:27:37 AM  

slayer199: Still a member of the GOP and I didn't see him say much about his social policies.  If he's a social moderate, the GOP establishment won't give him a shot...if he's a wacky social conservative, the electorate won't give him a shot.


He's also a creationist.  Does that help?
 
2013-02-12 02:29:21 AM  

you are a puppet: Well, are they at least going to change things up in 2024?


Sure they will. They'll change districting lines again and modify the Electoral College if that's what it takes. Their platform is their platform! It cannot possible be wrong because Jesus!
 
2013-02-12 02:32:23 AM  

Lawnchair: The biggest difference with Singapore isn't just the rarity of sick people (because they are sent home), it's that you *always* know the cost of a medical procedure.


It's not just Singapore. When I needed cancer surgery in 2004 I tried to get quotes from two Urologists in the Northwest. Not a word. I got a quote from a medical tourism operator in Germany and went there. They can do that because although most insurance in Germany is tied to employment like it is here, the insurers and providers negotiate prices every year or two.

The medical tourism operator can get the hospital's price, add a profit margin, and extras such as transportation and the use of an interpretor when needed, and come up with a firm price.
 
2013-02-12 02:52:30 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: jehovahs witness protection: We like the hell out of him, but people on the left HATE him because he isn't their expectations of what a black man should be. They are the racists. Anyone who disagrees with Obama is racist in liberals' eyes...even if they back another black person.

Nah, we hate him because he's GOP ignorant conservative - nothing to do with him being black.

Colin Powell had potential- then he screwed up with the Iraq war.


We get it, farklibtards. He's black.
 
2013-02-12 02:59:15 AM  

dahmers love zombie: So...black guy, doesn't want to pay his fair share, and is handy with a knife.  Am I missing something particularly special here?

/that'll do it


assets.nydailynews.com
 
2013-02-12 03:23:22 AM  
Libs will just call him an Uncle Tom.
 
2013-02-12 04:05:23 AM  

SlothB77: The difference is in 2016 it isn't gonna be a black republican against a black democrat.  It would be a black republican against a white democrat.  Are those districts in Philadelphia gonna vote 100% democrat in that scenario?


dafuq?
 
2013-02-12 04:09:50 AM  
yeah nice try GOP.   but no dice.
 
2013-02-12 04:23:04 AM  

Kevin72: This was more a northern dig at southern-style racism while also haw-hawing the plight of blacks, but circa 1975 college aged a friend riddled "What do they call a black neurosurgeon in Alabama?" The answer of course was "Ni##er". Anyway, now we've got a black neurosurgeon to find out.


The correct answer is "boy". It makes the joke-teller seem less racist, and it's slightly subtler, making it funnier. Add to it that calling a black male "boy" in the south just might be more offensive than calling him a n*gg*r.
 
2013-02-12 04:54:03 AM  
The bible talks about tithing, yes. But doesn't Jesus kinda rail on the rich for either not giving enough to the Church, or having too much money to begin with?\

Kinda RTFA.
 
2013-02-12 04:59:07 AM  

Darth_Lukecash: jehovahs witness protection: We like the hell out of him, but people on the left HATE him because he isn't their expectations of what a black man should be. They are the racists. Anyone who disagrees with Obama is racist in liberals' eyes...even if they back another black person.

Nah, we hate him because he's GOP ignorant conservative - nothing to do with him being black.

Colin Powell had potential- then he screwed up with the Iraq war.


Liberals believe in everyone having the freedom to believe exactly the way they do.
 
2013-02-12 05:57:55 AM  
He's a Republican?

Then fark him. No one associated with that party of proudly ignorant scum bags and plutocrats deserves to be in charge of anything more complicated than a church bake sale.
 
2013-02-12 06:10:46 AM  

GilRuiz1: What, Ben Carson made it to FARK?

*checks link*

Holy molly, Ben Carson! That guy gets:

BATMAN RESPECT KNUCKLES
[www.personal.psu.edu image 254x374]


Let me guess. It's because he's a dumbass creationist like you?
 
2013-02-12 06:11:39 AM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Carson told Sean Hannity on Fox News, "If the Lord grabbed me by the collar and made me do it, I would. It's not my intention." Hannity replied, "I would vote for you in a heartbeat."

Strike one:  Hannity
Strike two: Believes God could tell him personally to be president
Strike three: Hannity


Strike 4: another flat tax retard.

"Some people say, 'Well that's not fair because it doesn't hurt the guy who made $10 billion as much as the guy who made 10.' Where does it say you've got to hurt the guy? He just put a billion dollars in the pot. We don't need to hurt him," Carson said.

We don't want to hurt the top guy, you idiot.  The point of a progressive tax is to NOT hurt the small guy, not to hurt the top guy.  The top guy, having to spend a little more in taxes, is not hurt because  he can still live a high quality of life while the little guy can still put food on the table.
 
2013-02-12 07:00:08 AM  

randomjsa: Yes, we'll need to protect this man and his reputation from the most insidious destructive force in America.

Liberals. Liberals who will stoop to any low and do anything to destroy any minority who disagrees with them. If you want to see racism, be a minority that disagrees with a liberal.


Ah, I see you have gone with the Rove project your own worst personal flaws on to your enemy method here.

2/10 while it can still work, it was overused last election cycle. I expect more from you, try something fresh.
See me after class and we can sign you up for a mentor program.
 
2013-02-12 07:08:27 AM  

ps69: He wants to base our tax policy on the bible.


I'll bet that doesn't include forgiveness of debt and re-division of land every 50 years.

"This fiftieth year is sacred-it is a time of freedom and of celebration when everyone will receive back their original property, and slaves will return home to their families. "
 
2013-02-12 07:35:20 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: Any medical doctor who opposes universal healthcare should be taken out and beaten with a caduceus.


So, most of them? Here's an idea, if you want doctors to support universal health care.

1) become a doctor
2) continue supporting universal health care
 
2013-02-12 07:36:44 AM  

stevetherobot: When it comes to taxes, Carson pushed for a flat income tax by citing the biblical concept of tithing. "Some people say, 'Well that's not fair because it doesn't hurt the guy who made $10 billion as much as the guy who made 10.' Where does it say you've got to hurt the guy? He just put a billion dollars in the pot. We don't need to hurt him,"

Except that people aren't complaining about not hurting the guy who made $10 billion. They are pointing out that a flat tax hurts the guy who made $10, while not significantly affecting the guy who made $10 billion.




Lol because taxes are all about hurting people.....fing clown
 
2013-02-12 07:54:01 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: However, I can tell you for a fact that the older, whiter parts of South Philly voted for McCain and maybe for Romney because Obama is an "eggplant".


... that is not a euphemism I have ever heard before. I can guess at its meaning due to the context, but... wha?

/Also I suspect you are right about Sloth, I suppose I just wanted to hear it from his mouth. After all! Pointing out any perceived racism means YOU'RE the real racist! That's how it works, right?
 
2013-02-12 07:57:08 AM  

Felgraf: Dwight_Yeast: However, I can tell you for a fact that the older, whiter parts of South Philly voted for McCain and maybe for Romney because Obama is an "eggplant".

... that is not a euphemism I have ever heard before. I can guess at its meaning due to the context, but... wha?


You generally hear that slur from older Italians... I don't know the specific origins, myself.
 
2013-02-12 07:59:50 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: k1j2b3: I think you all missed what the HSA idea was about. Instead of paying into Medicare our whole lives, that would be put into a personal HSA account. At least, that was the basic idea. Dr. Carson said that there was more detail to it than that, so he was just throwing out an idea.

I think this makes sense. It would be in lieu of health insurance. You spend in on medical needs as necessary throughout life. It would be up to the elderly person with a lot to spend in his HSA account, if he wanted that knee replacement at 90 or a quadruple bypass at 85, or if he'd rather not spend that money and pass it on to his family.

Now, I see do see a problem with this simplified explanation. What happens to the baby at 2 years old that needs heart surgery and doesn't have enough money in an HSA?  I'd be curious to hear more about the whole idea.

Or you know, ANYONE that needs major medical care. Do you have any concept of what the average income is in this nation?

People on this commenting board seem to think that if we do a new idea like this, that the system we have today will be the same one we are dealing with.  The whole point is to create cheaper and smarter healthcare. I think I would trust a neurosurgeon who has spent more than 35 years in healthcare and insurance to know more than 99% of the commenters.

Do you think he's doing accounting or something? Because he isn't. Being smart or capable at something doesn't mean you're smart and capable in all things.


This.
Also consider that he made himself rich with the status quo.  He has no real interest in changing the system.  It works great- for him.
 
2013-02-12 08:02:51 AM  
A little late to this party but holy fark aahhahahahahah is this guy for real

"Some people say, 'Well that's not fair because it doesn't hurt the guy who made $10 billion as much as the guy who made 10.' Where does it say you've got to hurt the guy? He just put a billion dollars in the pot. We don't need to hurt him," Carson said. "It's that kind of thinking that has resulted in 602 banks in the Cayman Islands. That money needs to be back here building our infrastructure and creating jobs."
 
2013-02-12 08:13:22 AM  
Whats going to bother most liberals is the notion that that turning off the TV and reading to your kids is somehow related to their success in the world.  Bill Cosby was excoriated by the radical black left a few years ago for suggesting that absentee fathers and a low literacy rate are related to the problems in the black community.
 
2013-02-12 08:16:17 AM  

o5iiawah: Whats going to bother most liberals is the notion that that turning off the TV and reading to your kids is somehow related to their success in the world. Bill Cosby was excoriated by the radical black left a few years ago for suggesting that absentee fathers and a low literacy rate are related to the problems in the black community.


Wow you are like the Energizer bunny of trolls
 
2013-02-12 08:16:34 AM  
A black, Christian neurosurgeon who hates Obamacare, was born into poverty, is against Affirmative Action, and graduated top of his class from John Hopkins.

So a beneficiary of affirmative action is going to tell the rest of us how it can't possibly do any good?
 
2013-02-12 08:17:32 AM  

Jackson Herring: A little late to this party but holy fark aahhahahahahah is this guy for real

"Some people say, 'Well that's not fair because it doesn't hurt the guy who made $10 billion as much as the guy who made 10.' Where does it say you've got to hurt the guy? He just put a billion dollars in the pot. We don't need to hurt him," Carson said. "It's that kind of thinking that has resulted in 602 banks in the Cayman Islands. That money needs to be back here building our infrastructure and creating jobs."


Because if we didn't tax that money, they would use it to help build the country and create jobs...rather than put it into an American bank instead of a Cayman Islands bank...Kind of like how they're not being taxed now, and can't stop themselves from creating jobs wherever they go.
 
2013-02-12 08:20:08 AM  

Wooly Bully: o5iiawah: Whats going to bother most liberals is the notion that that turning off the TV and reading to your kids is somehow related to their success in the world. Bill Cosby was excoriated by the radical black left a few years ago for suggesting that absentee fathers and a low literacy rate are related to the problems in the black community.

Wow you are like the Energizer bunny of trolls


So what I've said is completely made up?  Cosby wasn't attacked for his statements about never hearing engineers and doctors speak in Ebonics?
 
2013-02-12 08:21:56 AM  
It's Joe the Plumber, the "Black Friend" edition!
 
2013-02-12 08:23:13 AM  
I can't imagine letting someone who believes in magic operate on my brain.
 
2013-02-12 08:24:56 AM  

o5iiawah: Whats going to bother most liberals is the notion that that turning off the TV and reading to your kids is somehow related to their success in the world.


And yet in my family, the liberals are the ones who would rather read than watch TV. Or even own one.
 
2013-02-12 08:26:24 AM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Don't worry. We will.


Is that self-deprecating humor that I spy?  I think Stealthy is learning!
 
2013-02-12 08:26:44 AM  

o5iiawah: Cosby wasn't attacked for his statements about never hearing engineers and doctors speak in Ebonics?


I see your problem here. You lump every idiot that you have heard into a group with every liberal.
Sure, it's easy to do. But it's stupid.
 
2013-02-12 08:29:03 AM  

o5iiawah: Wooly Bully: o5iiawah: Whats going to bother most liberals is the notion that that turning off the TV and reading to your kids is somehow related to their success in the world. Bill Cosby was excoriated by the radical black left a few years ago for suggesting that absentee fathers and a low literacy rate are related to the problems in the black community.

Wow you are like the Energizer bunny of trolls

So what I've said is completely made up? Cosby wasn't attacked for his statements about never hearing engineers and doctors speak in Ebonics?


I didn't say you were good at this. I just commented on your tirelessness.
 
2013-02-12 08:42:30 AM  

GilRuiz1: Infernalist: Just another rich asshole.


And you know this... how?

Read his autobiography first, then you can judge:

[cdn-parable.com image 249x400]


You know what other asshole wrote an autobiography?

/I'm not saying it'shiatler
//It'shiatler
 
2013-02-12 08:58:16 AM  

colon_pow: Mrtraveler01: colon_pow: Mrtraveler01: Sergeant Grumbles: NFA: In fact he said Americans desperately need healthcare.

But he said the best way to do that was with HSA's that could be passed on via inheritance, and that the government would still pay for the indigent. That sounds worse than what we already have. We need to get the free market as far away from healthcare as possible.

HSA's are worthless.

I'm in my mid-20's and even I don't have one because I'd rather have comprehensive insurance  instead of taking a chance and having to pay out of pocket for my medical expenses if something bad were to happen to me.

Get a less expensive high-deductible plan and put the money you save into the HSA.  Then if you have a good year where you don't get sick or see a dr more than a time or two, you're way ahead.

Where I work, it's either the comprehensive plan or an HSA.

I avoid the HSA's like the plague.

so you're paying $2500-3000 per year for insurance whether you get sick or not.
i pay about $35/month for a $6000 deductible, put $300/month in the HSA and pay all my medical bills out of that.  I've been coming out ahead for the past 2 years i've been doing it that way.


What sort of bills do you get?  Mine say something like:
Office Consult, Level 3   $331.00
Anthem Adjustment       -$249.71
Anthem Payment            $61.29
Balance due                   $20.00

Anthem is my insurance, and they get this "adjustment" that significantly reduces the bill.  When you are paying out-of-pocket, do you get such an adjustment?

From what I can tell, the doctor received $81.29 for a service that was originally billed out as $331.00.  Without insurance, I would expect to be billed for the whole $331.00
 
2013-02-12 08:59:46 AM  

Halli: GilRuiz1: What, Ben Carson made it to FARK?

*checks link*

Holy molly, Ben Carson! That guy gets:

BATMAN RESPECT KNUCKLES
[www.personal.psu.edu image 254x374]

Let me guess. It's because he's a dumbass creationist like you?



Ah, FARK liberals.  Such wonderful, prejudiced people.

Ben Carson's story is a lot like my dad's, actually.  Born dirt poor, and taught from an early age that the only way to get ahead was to study hard and work even harder.  After a lifetime of toil, they both achieved success.  That dedication to schooling and work is what got them ahead.  If Ben Carson can get that idea across to more people, I say more power to him.
 
2013-02-12 09:00:21 AM  

k1j2b3: I am looking for a smart candidate with the ability to explain conservative ideas to Americans in plain English.


The problem with the Republican party is not a failure to communicate ideas. They've already got half the country voting against their interests because "small government" and "lower taxes" sound like good ideas to people who are ignorant of history and don't want to think too hard about economics and governance. Frank Lutz has practically invented a new language to sell the Republican snake oil to the masses. The Supreme Court has opened the flood gates for crazy casino moguls and libertarian trust fund brats to bombard the airwaves with their propoganda. "Think tanks" are given millions and millions of dollars to come up with new ways to rationalize the wretched GOP philosophy. Communication is not the problem. The ideas are the problem.

Americans want good wages. Americans want their parents and themselves and their children to be able to retire. Americans want everyone to have access to quality healthcare and education. But Republican policy aims to drive down labor costs, remove what little social insurance we have, and privatize everything to ensure that only the rich can afford it.
 
2013-02-12 09:10:17 AM  

GilRuiz1: After a lifetime of toil, they both achieved success. That dedication to schooling and work is what got them ahead. If Ben Carson can get that idea across to more people, I say more power to him


Guess what? A lot of people go through a lifetime of toil and DON'T.

Sucks to be them, huh? Let's just grind them further into the dirt.
 
2013-02-12 09:10:53 AM  

GilRuiz1: Ben Carson's story is a lot like my dad's, actually.  Born dirt poor, and taught from an early age that the only way to get ahead was to study hard and work even harder.  After a lifetime of toil, they both achieved success.  That dedication to schooling and work is what got them ahead.  If Ben Carson can get that idea across to more people, I say more power to him.


How hard can he have studied if he ended up a creationist?
 
2013-02-12 09:11:51 AM  
"Compassionate Conservative" became the "Tea Party" and now that that's out of favor their looking for a new name.  Marco Rubio, Bobby Jindal, Michael Steele, Sarah Palin now this guy.

With Republicans it's never about introspection, it's only about rebranding.
 
2013-02-12 09:18:10 AM  

0Icky0: o5iiawah: Whats going to bother most liberals is the notion that that turning off the TV and reading to your kids is somehow related to their success in the world.

And yet in my family, the liberals are the ones who would rather read than watch TV. Or even own one.


My thoughts as well, but I didn't want to feed it.  All the "conservatives" in my family watch FOX for several hours every day, no exaggeration.  I've had a number of them chide me for not owning a TV, reading all my news through various sources online, riding my bike 9 miles to work, and spending a lot of my free time outside.

Of course these are the same relatives that like to say stupid shiat to me about how I must be a hippie because I eat tons of veges and unprocessed grains from the farmers' markets and local food co-ops, and of course for working out on a regular basis.  Why yes, they'll all obese or morbidly obese and I'm at a healthy weight with no major health issues, how'd you know?  Oh yeah, Moochelle comments often somehow work their way into the insults as well, even when the conversation has nothing to do with politics.
 
2013-02-12 09:18:17 AM  

GilRuiz1: If Ben Carson can get that idea across to more people, I say more power to him.


Yeah, because "Do well in school and work hard" is clearly such a novel and unintuitive notion that people won't realize it unless this doofus goes and says a bunch of stupid shiat on Fox News.
 
2013-02-12 09:20:57 AM  

Blathering Idjut: "Compassionate Conservative" became the "Tea Party" and now that that's out of favor their looking for a new name.  Marco Rubio, Bobby Jindal, Michael Steele, Sarah Palin now this guy.

With Republicans it's never about introspection, it's only about rebranding.


Seriously... They think by wrapping their regressive, plutocratic nonsense up in a prettier package and having it voiced by non-white people, they will somehow get voters to come back to them.

*shrug* Maybe they're right.
 
2013-02-12 09:23:13 AM  

Biological Ali: Yeah, because "Do well in school and work hard" is clearly such a novel and unintuitive notion that people won't realize it



My wife's a schoolteacher; you'd be surprised how novel and unintuitive she's found that notion to be among both students and parents.
 
2013-02-12 09:28:58 AM  

GilRuiz1: My wife's a schoolteacher; you'd be surprised how novel and unintuitive she's found that notion to be among both students and parents.


Because these days, it's not exactly true anymore?

There's a crap ton of people who work hard and get *shafted* because, well, it's more profitable *to* shaft them.
 
2013-02-12 09:30:54 AM  
The GOP thinks a token minority is all they need to win over the minority votes........this is why they can't get the minority votes.
 
2013-02-12 09:39:05 AM  

GilRuiz1: My wife's a schoolteacher; you'd be surprised how novel and unintuitive she's found that notion to be among both students and parents.


I'm sure.

But even if all you did care about is people getting on television and spouting trite "ideas" like "Do well in school and work hard" (that barely even rise to a bumper-sticker level quality of discourse), that's not what you're getting from this guy. All he's doing is acting as a mouthpiece for a specific political agenda that, among other assorted idiocy, wants to make life even harder for the poor than it already is.
 
2013-02-12 09:53:36 AM  

GilRuiz1: Halli: GilRuiz1: What, Ben Carson made it to FARK?

*checks link*

Holy molly, Ben Carson! That guy gets:

BATMAN RESPECT KNUCKLES
[www.personal.psu.edu image 254x374]

Let me guess. It's because he's a dumbass creationist like you?


Ah, FARK liberals.  Such wonderful, prejudiced people.

Ben Carson's story is a lot like my dad's, actually.  Born dirt poor, and taught from an early age that the only way to get ahead was to study hard and work even harder.  After a lifetime of toil, they both achieved success.  That dedication to schooling and work is what got them ahead.  If Ben Carson can get that idea across to more people, I say more power to him.


Tha'ts great. He's still a dumbass creationist.
 
2013-02-12 09:53:47 AM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Biological Ali: His argument isn't even internally consistent. He's basically saying "We don't need to hurt the rich guy, so let's arbitrarily implement a system that hurts the poor guy more."

It's perfectly consistent if you remember that Republicans think the rich will work harder if you give them more, and the poor will work harder if you give them less. Any tax on the rich is punishing success, but the poor must be punished for their failure or they'll never learn to succeed. If it's as simple as working hard, why won't they?
They seem to ignore that the successful are bringing the ladder up behind them... or accept that as the benefit of success, "I got mine, fark you."

I like how he brings up Cayman Island bank accounts, as if we haven't tried to get that money back with tax holidays...
I don't remember that working out very well, do you?


See, the poor don't pay taxes. By reducing what you are giving them, they aren't being "punished", you're just giving them less.

The rich, on the other hand, do pay taxes. By cutting their taxes, you aren't giving them anything, you are just taking less from them.

You can be for or against more or less progressive tax and spending policies, for various reasons. But quoting or paraphrasing that idiotic EJ Dionne line just makes you look stupid.
 
2013-02-12 09:54:55 AM  

Citrate1007: The GOP thinks a token minority is all they need to win over the minority votes........this is why they can't get the minority votes.


media1.policymic.com

Hey, if you don't mind, Tokeno Nuevo (or, as he's known to insiders, "El Palin") up here is trying to seal a '16 nomination. So keep it down!
 
2013-02-12 10:00:20 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: See, the poor don't pay taxes. By reducing what you are giving them, they aren't being "punished", you're just giving them less.

The rich, on the other hand, do pay taxes. By cutting their taxes, you aren't giving them anything, you are just taking less from them.


Income taxes are the only taxes around!

That's the only way that post makes sense.
 
2013-02-12 10:18:27 AM  

jehovahs witness protection: We like the hell out of him, but people on the left HATE him because he isn't their expectations of what a black man should be. They are the racists. Anyone who disagrees with Obama is racist in liberals' eyes...even if they back another black person.


You're not really that pathetic.  Stop it.
 
2013-02-12 10:20:09 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: See, the poor don't pay taxes.


The trick is to slip obvious absurdities like that at the end of a post, not the beginning. That way you'd actually stand a chance of getting someone to take you seriously.
 
2013-02-12 10:34:36 AM  
Here he is on a silver platter, GOP: A black, Christian neurosurgeon who hates Obamacare, was born into poverty, is against Affirmative Action, and graduated top of his class from John Hopkins. Now don't fark it upan attention whore.
 
2013-02-12 10:46:44 AM  
I thought the flat tax was a bad idea when Steve Forbes proposed it in '96.  Why should I like the idea now, just because a fellow blah person is pushing it?
 
2013-02-12 10:48:27 AM  

HighOnCraic: I thought the flat tax was a bad idea when Steve Forbes proposed it in '96.  Why should I like the idea now, just because a fellow blah person is pushing it?


First, he's different. He's one of the good ones. Secondly, Republicans are always steadfast in promoting their works. Remember how much Republicans rallied behind Obama's proposal of Bob Dole's health care reform?
 
2013-02-12 10:54:37 AM  

EyeballKid: HighOnCraic: I thought the flat tax was a bad idea when Steve Forbes proposed it in '96.  Why should I like the idea now, just because a fellow blah person is pushing it?

First, he's different. He's one of the good ones. Secondly, Republicans are always steadfast in promoting their works. Remember how much Republicans rallied behind Obama's proposal of Bob Dole's health care reform?


I lol'd!

I expect Republicans to point to Ben Carson as the type of black person they'd love to see as their president.  I also expect him to get the same 5% of votes in the primaries that Alan Keyes got in his numerous runs back when he was the Republicans' favorite black candidate.

Carson's "10" plan sounds a lot like Cain's "9-9-9" plan.
 
2013-02-12 11:02:04 AM  

randomjsa: Yes, we'll need to protect this man and his reputation from the most insidious destructive force in America.

Liberals. Liberals who will stoop to any low and do anything to destroy any minority who disagrees with them. If you want to see racism, be a minority that disagrees with a liberal.


So you think that liberals should suddenly agree with conservative ideas (even bad ones, like the flat tax) if they're presented by a minority, no matter how liberals feel about the actual ideas?
 
2013-02-12 11:23:26 AM  

Debeo Summa Credo: But quoting or paraphrasing that idiotic EJ Dionne line just makes you look stupid.


But that's exactly what you're doing. It's not stupid, is basic observable fact.
 
2013-02-12 11:29:10 AM  

Tumunga: Darth_Lukecash: jehovahs witness protection: We like the hell out of him, but people on the left HATE him because he isn't their expectations of what a black man should be. They are the racists. Anyone who disagrees with Obama is racist in liberals' eyes...even if they back another black person.

Nah, we hate him because he's GOP ignorant conservative - nothing to do with him being black.

Colin Powell had potential- then he screwed up with the Iraq war.

We get it, farklibtards. He's black.


I was angry at all the people who led us into the Iraq War by lying about Saddam Hussein's massive stash of weapons of mass destruction and his involvement in the 9/11 attacks.  Why should Powell get a pass for being among those liars, considering his testimony before the UN?  Were his lies any different from the lies told by the white guys in the Bush Administration?
 
2013-02-12 01:07:28 PM  
I have MS. My medication costs $6000+ per month - which is covered by my insurance.

With only an HSA, I would spend ALL of my salary on medical costs. I would have no additional cash for anything. No mortgage, no food, no transportation to and from work, no fun to take my mind off the fact that I have MS. Anyone who makes less than me - such as someone just entering the job market and just over the limit to be covered by thier parent's insurance - would be farked.

HSAs have thier uses, but they are not a comprehensive solution by any stretch of the imagination.
 
2013-02-12 01:13:54 PM  

Chewbacca_Defense: I have MS. My medication costs $6000+ per month - which is covered by my insurance.

With only an HSA, I would spend ALL of my salary on medical costs. I would have no additional cash for anything. No mortgage, no food, no transportation to and from work, no fun to take my mind off the fact that I have MS. Anyone who makes less than me - such as someone just entering the job market and just over the limit to be covered by thier parent's insurance - would be farked.

HSAs have thier uses, but they are not a comprehensive solution by any stretch of the imagination.


Well, it is your fault for getting MS, though. Why didn't you just choose to not get it?
 
2013-02-12 01:17:58 PM  

EyeballKid: Chewbacca_Defense: Well, it is your fault for getting MS, though. Why didn't you just choose to not get it?


After I chose not to be gay, they told me I was out of choices.
 
2013-02-12 01:29:03 PM  

Chewbacca_Defense: After I chose not to be gay, they told me I was out of choices.


Did you at least try to haggle?
You can usually get away with being effeminate and bi for something like MS, but if you can work in a peanut allergy you have a little bit more wiggle room.
 
2013-02-12 01:31:45 PM  

Elandriel: What the shiat?  This guy is just Michael Steele with a scalpel.  He's a cookie cutter republican bozo who has no concept of progressive taxation or proper methods to ensure the health of the nation.

Being from poverty you would think he'd be more aware or the asinine nature of modern conservatism, but hey he's rich now.  He really is the epitome of GOP candidacy - a purebred first generation "fark you, I got mine".


Yes, how dare he work his way out of poverty and expect others to do the same.
 
2013-02-12 01:35:42 PM  

0Icky0: o5iiawah: Cosby wasn't attacked for his statements about never hearing engineers and doctors speak in Ebonics?

I see your problem here. You lump every idiot that you have heard into a group with every liberal.
Sure, it's easy to do. But it's stupid.


No, i'm lumping the militant black left, who calls their own sellouts, house negros, tokens and uncle toms with other black militant leftists who call their own sellouts, house negros, tokens and uncle toms.  Let me put it to you this way.  Robert Byrd had an "A" rating from the NAACP.  Tim Scott has an F.
 
2013-02-12 01:37:35 PM  

GAT_00: e Michael Steele. Yes they do in fact think that is the solution. Also note he was summarily fired after one of the biggest electoral victories in the history of the House, and his white replacement was not despite failing to take back he Senate when the deck was ridiculously stacked in their favor.


Well.. there was also the little issue of Steeleallegedly leading the RNC into nearly financial ruin, and the new guy actually correcting and then increasing the finances, as well as the fact that Steele was notoriously a poor manager and didn't work well with others (and still doesn't) , but let's not get sidetracked by details.

I actually like Michael Steele, but I'm not a Republican, so my opinion doesn't matter much on the topic, but talking with some RNC people and some GOP fundraisers I've run across, there appears to be some outright anger toward him for doing a botch-up job of actually running the business of the RNC.
 
2013-02-12 01:38:11 PM  

HighOnCraic: Tumunga: Darth_Lukecash: jehovahs witness protection: We like the hell out of him, but people on the left HATE him because he isn't their expectations of what a black man should be. They are the racists. Anyone who disagrees with Obama is racist in liberals' eyes...even if they back another black person.

Nah, we hate him because he's GOP ignorant conservative - nothing to do with him being black.

Colin Powell had potential- then he screwed up with the Iraq war.

We get it, farklibtards. He's black.

I was angry at all the people who led us into the Iraq War by lying about Saddam Hussein's massive stash of weapons of mass destruction and his involvement in the 9/11 attacks.  Why should Powell get a pass for being among those liars, considering his testimony before the UN?  Were his lies any different from the lies told by the white guys in the Bush Administration?


Or the lies told by pretty much anyone and everyone in the Clinton administration about Iraq's WMDs?
 
2013-02-12 01:44:35 PM  

Raoul Eaton: One more guy who's really good at one thing so he thinks he knows everything about everything?  Have we seen this before?

///this problem comes up a lot with doctors in particular
//though they're not the only ones


As someone who works IT at a hospital, this. Though, it's usually the highest level surgeons who see most insufferable to me, most GPs and surgeons in general are generally pretty cool, smart people.

Lawyers tend to fall into this attitude sometimes as well.
 
2013-02-12 01:48:30 PM  

Brubold: Or the lies told by pretty much anyone and everyone in the Clinton administration about Iraq's WMDs?


Hmm yes that was pre Operation Desert Fox. Derpers tend to leave that detail out.
 
2013-02-12 01:50:57 PM  

o5iiawah: No, i'm lumping the militant black left, who calls their own sellouts, house negros, tokens and uncle toms with other black militant leftists who call their own sellouts, house negros, tokens and uncle toms. Let me put it to you this way. Robert Byrd had an "A" rating from the NAACP. Tim Scott has an F.


Well maybe Tim Scott shouldn't vote against civil rights and then cry about it.
 
2013-02-12 02:05:09 PM  

keylock71: You generally hear that slur from older Italians... I don't know the specific origins, myself.


www.sabotagetimes.com
 
2013-02-12 02:10:09 PM  

Graffito: What sort of bills do you get? Mine say something like:
Office Consult, Level 3 $331.00
Anthem Adjustment -$249.71
Anthem Payment $61.29
Balance due $20.00

Anthem is my insurance, and they get this "adjustment" that significantly reduces the bill. When you are paying out-of-pocket, do you get such an adjustment?

From what I can tell, the doctor received $81.29 for a service that was originally billed out as $331.00. Without insurance, I would expect to be billed for the whole $331.00


Normally, this is a result of your "in network" doctor having a mutually beneficial financial relationship with gives him an effective monopoly on treating all patients within his field in a given geographic location who have your particular insurance coverage, as other doctors who are every bit as good, maybe even better at their particular field, are considered "out of network" and you're stuck paying a far higher portion of the bill.

I love it when people say "I don't want the gubbmint telling what doctor I can go to!" (when a single-payer system wouldn't do this) but then they let a profit-minded insurance company do exactly that.
 
2013-02-12 02:22:45 PM  

ox45tallboy: keylock71: You generally hear that slur from older Italians... I don't know the specific origins, myself.

[www.sabotagetimes.com image 500x212]


Lol... Nice. Haven't seen that in ages.

I do remember the slur being used in The Jerk. It's the scene where Navin takes on "Iron Balls" McGinty.

One of the mobsters offers to "keep the eggplants" out of Navin's new housing development.
 
2013-02-12 02:27:36 PM  

Brubold: Or the lies told by pretty much anyone and everyone in the Clinton administration about Iraq's WMDs?


Yeah I remember when Clinton used it as a justification to start a land war.
 
2013-02-12 02:48:00 PM  

o5iiawah: No, i'm lumping the militant black left, who calls their own sellouts, house negros, tokens and uncle toms with other black militant leftists who call their own sellouts, house negros, tokens and uncle toms. Let me put it to you this way. Robert Byrd had an "A" rating from the NAACP. Tim Scott has an F.


You mean to tell me they're judging them by the content of their character, and not by the color of their skin?! Boy, whoever decided on stupid decision making like that...
 
2013-02-12 03:10:39 PM  

TopoGigo: Kevin72: This was more a northern dig at southern-style racism while also haw-hawing the plight of blacks, but circa 1975 college aged a friend riddled "What do they call a black neurosurgeon in Alabama?" The answer of course was "Ni##er". Anyway, now we've got a black neurosurgeon to find out.

The correct answer is "boy". It makes the joke-teller seem less racist, and it's slightly subtler, making it funnier. Add to it that calling a black male "boy" in the south just might be more offensive than calling him a n*gg*r.


Like I say, that was the northern version, specifically Michigan. I never heard of the "boy" routine until long after moving out of state.
 
2013-02-12 03:23:08 PM  

o5iiawah: lennavan: I would trust these 10 major medical groups representing hundreds of thousands of doctors over a wide variety of sub-specialties over his one guy.

Because it ins't as though any of those organizations or the people that represent them stand to benefit in any way from mandating that people purchase their products. In other news, GM, AAA, goodyear tire and Exxon are pleased over the new government mandate that everyone purchase a car


One of those organizations is the American College of Cardiology.  What product are we all forced to purchase from Cardiologists?

Clearly no one is stupid enough to suggests we have a mandate that everyone buy a car.  Was this supposed to be a joke?
 
2013-02-12 03:56:30 PM  

EyeballKid: Citrate1007: The GOP thinks a token minority is all they need to win over the minority votes........this is why they can't get the minority votes.

[media1.policymic.com image 420x265]

Hey, if you don't mind, Tokeno Nuevo (or, as he's known to insiders, "El Palin") up here is trying to seal a '16 nomination. So keep it down!


Cruz? Senator Cruz? He's born in Calgary, Alberthacertificate.
 
2013-02-12 04:04:13 PM  

Kevin72: EyeballKid: Citrate1007: The GOP thinks a token minority is all they need to win over the minority votes........this is why they can't get the minority votes.

[media1.policymic.com image 420x265]

Hey, if you don't mind, Tokeno Nuevo (or, as he's known to insiders, "El Palin") up here is trying to seal a '16 nomination. So keep it down!

Cruz? Senator Cruz? He's born in Calgary, Alberthacertificate.



Cruz?! I'll have you know that's Marco Rubio, whose father fled the oncoming wave of totalitarianistic communist fascism of Cuba by stowing on board the HMS Pinafore to serve under the tutlage of Captain Jean Luc Picard and his busty wife, Morgan Fairchild.
 
2013-02-12 06:26:09 PM  

EyeballKid: Kevin72: EyeballKid: Citrate1007: The GOP thinks a token minority is all they need to win over the minority votes........this is why they can't get the minority votes.

[media1.policymic.com image 420x265]

Hey, if you don't mind, Tokeno Nuevo (or, as he's known to insiders, "El Palin") up here is trying to seal a '16 nomination. So keep it down!

Cruz? Senator Cruz? He's born in Calgary, Alberthacertificate.


Cruz?! I'll have you know that's Marco Rubio, whose father fled the oncoming wave of totalitarianistic communist fascism of Cuba by stowing on board the HMS Pinafore to serve under the tutlage of Captain Jean Luc Picard and his busty wife, Morgan Fairchild.


Oh Fark. Two Republican Latino superstars and they both look alike to me.
 
2013-02-12 08:09:12 PM  

o5iiawah: Robert Byrd had an "A" rating from the NAACP.  Tim Scott has an F.


Would that be because Byrd grew into a fine, progressive man and repudiated his former beliefs?

Now it's Scott's turn.
 
2013-02-13 02:46:48 AM  
After tonight's SOTU rebuttal, the least interesting man in the world will be lucky to get a job on a floundering cable news network.

/stay thirsty, my friends
 
2013-02-13 06:37:54 AM  

HighOnCraic: I thought the flat tax was a bad idea when Steve Forbes proposed it in '96. Why should I like the idea now, just because a fellow blah person is pushing it?


Because statistically, the older people are, the more likely they are to approve of a flat tax.
 
2013-02-13 08:44:53 AM  

HighOnCraic: EyeballKid: HighOnCraic: I thought the flat tax was a bad idea when Steve Forbes proposed it in '96.  Why should I like the idea now, just because a fellow blah person is pushing it?

First, he's different. He's one of the good ones. Secondly, Republicans are always steadfast in promoting their works. Remember how much Republicans rallied behind Obama's proposal of Bob Dole's health care reform?

I lol'd!

I expect Republicans to point to Ben Carson as the type of black person they'd love to see as their president.  I also expect him to get the same 5% of votes in the primaries that Alan Keyes got in his numerous runs back when he was the Republicans' favorite black candidate.

Carson's "10" plan sounds a lot like Cain's "9-9-9" plan.


Give him some credit.  He's not stuttering and it's at least one better.
 
2013-02-13 11:09:19 AM  

o5iiawah: 0Icky0: o5iiawah: Cosby wasn't attacked for his statements about never hearing engineers and doctors speak in Ebonics?

I see your problem here. You lump every idiot that you have heard into a group with every liberal.
Sure, it's easy to do. But it's stupid.

No, i'm lumping the militant black left, who calls their own sellouts, house negros, tokens and uncle toms with other black militant leftists who call their own sellouts, house negros, tokens and uncle toms.  Let me put it to you this way.  Robert Byrd had an "A" rating from the NAACP.  Tim Scott has an F.


Here's what the far right thinks of Tim Scott:

The Anti-white fashion sweeps on: South Carolina governor names Rep. Scott to succeed DeMint in Senate FoxNews.com December 17, 2012.
In the first instance, of course, naming this profoundly under qualified one-term Black Congressman to be Senator is an exploitation of yearning for the "Magical Negro" phenomenon - the product of the endless Hollywood/MSM evocation of brilliant Black Heroes/Geniuses/Mentors who simply do not exist in real life.
The GOP Establishment - and some of the electorate - appears very susceptible to this ridiculous infatuation - as seen the Michael Steele fiasco, the Colin Powell humiliation and the Herman Cain crush. Also, in of course, the protracted campaign to exclude white men from the RNC Chairmanship- until needed to cover up.
Unfortunately Negromania not actually the real explanation. Governor Nikki Hailey is a non-white Neocon Protégé. So was Tim Scott: according to Wikipedia (until they change it). Scott was endorsed by the anti-tax National Club for Growth and Republican House Whip Eric Cantor.The Club For Growth is a Die-Hard NeoCon Front. Cantor is simply bad news.
Naturally, this abrasive rejection of the Affirmative Action issue will simply drive away white voters more. The sad reality is that the South Carolina GOP apparatus has been taken over - or bought. How else to explain Lindsay Graham (RINO-MSM)?

http://www.vdare.com/posts/senator-tim-scott-magic-negro-mania-give s-s c-two-rino-senators-1

That's a terrible problem for the GOP; whenever they try to show that their being more inclusive, some of their most passionate supporters get pissed off.
 
2013-02-13 11:11:47 AM  

proteus_b: HighOnCraic: I thought the flat tax was a bad idea when Steve Forbes proposed it in '96. Why should I like the idea now, just because a fellow blah person is pushing it?

Because statistically, the older people are, the more likely they are to approve of a flat tax.


It will still be a bad idea, no matter how old I get.
 
2013-02-13 11:13:32 AM  

BeesNuts: HighOnCraic: EyeballKid: HighOnCraic: I thought the flat tax was a bad idea when Steve Forbes proposed it in '96.  Why should I like the idea now, just because a fellow blah person is pushing it?

First, he's different. He's one of the good ones. Secondly, Republicans are always steadfast in promoting their works. Remember how much Republicans rallied behind Obama's proposal of Bob Dole's health care reform?

I lol'd!

I expect Republicans to point to Ben Carson as the type of black person they'd love to see as their president.  I also expect him to get the same 5% of votes in the primaries that Alan Keyes got in his numerous runs back when he was the Republicans' favorite black candidate.

Carson's "10" plan sounds a lot like Cain's "9-9-9" plan.

Give him some credit.  He's not stuttering and it's at least one better.


www.founditemclothing.com

"11-11-11!"
 
2013-02-13 01:11:26 PM  

lennavan: o5iiawah: lennavan: I would trust these 10 major medical groups representing hundreds of thousands of doctors over a wide variety of sub-specialties over his one guy.

Because it ins't as though any of those organizations or the people that represent them stand to benefit in any way from mandating that people purchase their products. In other news, GM, AAA, goodyear tire and Exxon are pleased over the new government mandate that everyone purchase a car

One of those organizations is the American College of Cardiology.  What product are we all forced to purchase from Cardiologists?

Clearly no one is stupid enough to suggests we have a mandate that everyone buy a car.  Was this supposed to be a joke?


The point was to suggest that industries and organizations which stand to benefit from government mandating people but their products will likely be in favor of said programs.

EyeballKid: You mean to tell me they're judging them by the content of their character, and not by the color of their skin?! Boy, whoever decided on stupid decision making like that...


Clearly, filibustering the civil rights act and being a dragon in the Klan has nothing to do with the content of his character.  I heard for 6 months how much of a bigot Mitt Romney was because he may have bullied a kid at age 16, yet Byrd as a salient, rational adult chose to be a part of the Klan.

Man, if there werent double standards, progressives wouldn't have any.
 
2013-02-14 08:53:04 AM  

DamnYankees: k1j2b3: Also, I love how he pointed out how political correctness keeps good ideas out of the mix.

What good idea do you feel is not in the mix do to political correctness?


He can't tell you because the evil PC police would immediately kick in his door and revoke his right to speak derp to power.

/or some such inane self-contradicting BS
//I'm pretty sure his definition of "PC" the unmitigated right to say really really stupid shiat without anyone anywhere pointing out how stupid that shiat he's saying actually is
///oh the humanity
 
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