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(Yahoo)   Here he is on a silver platter, GOP: A black, Christian neurosurgeon who hates Obamacare, was born into poverty, is against Affirmative Action, and graduated top of his class from Johns Hopkins. Now don't fark it up   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 338
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2013-02-11 09:49:40 PM

DamnYankees: Has anyone ever been elected president without having either previously held some form of elected office or been a great military leader?


Hoover had never been elected to anything. Fortunately, nothing bad happened on his watch.
 
2013-02-11 09:51:43 PM
I've had the unfortunate experience of spending time around a good many of the more prominent neurosurgeons in the mid-Atlantic. Carson is probably the least impressive, and I'm not just saying that because I'm a democrat.
 
2013-02-11 09:53:50 PM

the biggest redneck here: I've had the unfortunate experience of spending time around a good many of the more prominent neurosurgeons in the mid-Atlantic. Carson is probably the least impressive, and I'm not just saying that because I'm a democrat.


You can't possibly be the biggest redneck, then.
 
2013-02-11 09:54:54 PM

Sergeant Grumbles: the biggest redneck here: I've had the unfortunate experience of spending time around a good many of the more prominent neurosurgeons in the mid-Atlantic. Carson is probably the least impressive, and I'm not just saying that because I'm a democrat.

You can't possibly be the biggest redneck, then.


The bar here is pretty low.
 
2013-02-11 10:14:37 PM

DamnYankees: Has anyone ever been elected president without having either previously held some form of elected office or been a great military leader?


Herbert Hoover, maybe?  I am not sure, and too lazy to look it up.
 
2013-02-11 10:14:43 PM
This was more a northern dig at southern-style racism while also haw-hawing the plight of blacks, but circa 1975 college aged a friend riddled "What do they call a black neurosurgeon in Alabama?" The answer of course was "Ni##er". Anyway, now we've got a black neurosurgeon to find out.
 
2013-02-11 10:21:18 PM

ImpendingCynic: DamnYankees: Has anyone ever been elected president without having either previously held some form of elected office or been a great military leader?

Hoover had never been elected to anything. Fortunately, nothing bad happened on his watch.


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Sees what you did there.
 
2013-02-11 10:23:18 PM

the biggest redneck here: Sergeant Grumbles: the biggest redneck here: I've had the unfortunate experience of spending time around a good many of the more prominent neurosurgeons in the mid-Atlantic. Carson is probably the least impressive, and I'm not just saying that because I'm a democrat.

You can't possibly be the biggest redneck, then.

The bar here is pretty low.


In the past month or so, I've collected and washed eggs, killed a chicken, milked a cow, skinned and processed a deer, and helped repair a fuel line leak in a 2002 Ford F-350 dooley.

I've also listened to more country music than I ever want to hear again in my life. I'll put my redneck creds against anyone else here any day of the week, and I don't even call myself a redneck. I just have redneck family that I do redneck things with when I visit them, then I go back to my place and listen to Pink Floyd and work on VoIP and VPN's and do my best to not sound like I was raised in the South when I talk to people on the phone.
 
2013-02-11 10:30:13 PM

stevetherobot: When it comes to taxes, Carson pushed for a flat income tax by citing the biblical concept of tithing. "Some people say, 'Well that's not fair because it doesn't hurt the guy who made $10 billion as much as the guy who made 10.' Where does it say you've got to hurt the guy? He just put a billion dollars in the pot. We don't need to hurt him,"

Except that people aren't complaining about not hurting the guy who made $10 billion. They are pointing out that a flat tax hurts the guy who made $10, while not significantly affecting the guy who made $10 billion.


His argument isn't even internally consistent. He's basically saying "We don't need to hurt the rich guy, so let's arbitrarily implement a system that hurts the poor guy more."
 
2013-02-11 10:30:41 PM

ox45tallboy: the biggest redneck here: Sergeant Grumbles: the biggest redneck here: I've had the unfortunate experience of spending time around a good many of the more prominent neurosurgeons in the mid-Atlantic. Carson is probably the least impressive, and I'm not just saying that because I'm a democrat.

You can't possibly be the biggest redneck, then.

The bar here is pretty low.

In the past month or so, I've collected and washed eggs, killed a chicken, milked a cow, skinned and processed a deer, and helped repair a fuel line leak in a 2002 Ford F-350 dooley.

I've also listened to more country music than I ever want to hear again in my life. I'll put my redneck creds against anyone else here any day of the week, and I don't even call myself a redneck. I just have redneck family that I do redneck things with when I visit them, then I go back to my place and listen to Pink Floyd and work on VoIP and VPN's and do my best to not sound like I was raised in the South when I talk to people on the phone.


That fuel leak, what did you use to fix it - duct tape, or grits?
 
2013-02-11 10:32:59 PM
Overheard at GOP HQ:
"This is a great opportunity to showcase the new GOP!  Somebody get that n****r on the line!"
 
2013-02-11 10:38:25 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Hannity tells a neurosurgeon he would vote for him in a heartbeat?!

Did he think the guy was also a cardiologist?
Shouldn't he have said something about the time it takes a synapse to fire?

WTF is Hannity thinking?


He knew he couldn't say "vote for you in a brainwave."  It sounds bad and Hannity knows he doesn't have any.
 
2013-02-11 10:38:50 PM

Biological Ali: His argument isn't even internally consistent. He's basically saying "We don't need to hurt the rich guy, so let's arbitrarily implement a system that hurts the poor guy more."


It's perfectly consistent if you remember that Republicans think the rich will work harder if you give them more, and the poor will work harder if you give them less. Any tax on the rich is punishing success, but the poor must be punished for their failure or they'll never learn to succeed. If it's as simple as working hard, why won't they?
They seem to ignore that the successful are bringing the ladder up behind them... or accept that as the benefit of success, "I got mine, fark you."

I like how he brings up Cayman Island bank accounts, as if we haven't tried to get that money back with tax holidays...
I don't remember that working out very well, do you?
 
2013-02-11 10:39:21 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: so much typical hatred and racism from the left.


It's pretty easy to find racism when you make up your own definition of what it is.

You probably think I'm a racist for saying that.
 
2013-02-11 10:47:14 PM
Dr. Ben Carson of may be an Oncological neurosurgeon,but he cured his own cancer with Glyconutrients!
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Available from your wife's friend who sells Mary Kay and colloidal minerals. Ask about the Multi-leval Marketing opportunies!
 
2013-02-11 10:57:01 PM
Any medical doctor who opposes universal healthcare should be taken out and beaten with a caduceus.

/also, he's going to be too "sciencey" to make it past the GOP primary-by-derp.
 
2013-02-11 10:58:12 PM

Lionel Mandrake: Why a Johns Hopkins Neurosurgeon Is Getting 2016 Presidential Buzz

Because look at the GOP.

At this point, a moldy, half-eaten ham sandwich would generate 2016 presidential buzz.


No! Mr. Moldy, Half-Eaten Ham Sandwich has not expressed interest in running, so calm down, Republicans!


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Not amused.
 
2013-02-11 11:03:43 PM
When a black guy shows up who agrees with the GOP, they fall all over themselves trying to prove they're not racist ("I would vote for you in a heartbeat") but their racism is in not realizing that most minorities don't vote against the GOP because there aren't enough brown Republicans, but rather there aren't enough brown Republicans because minorities don't like the GOP, because GOP policies suck for them. Change your stupid-ass policies which only support rich, white men (and a token few rich, brown men) and you might see some new support... but then you'd basically be Democrats.
 
2013-02-11 11:08:11 PM
Other republicans "God" told to run for POTUS:
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Oh yeah, and this guy:
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God has a track record of having a great sense of humor.
 
2013-02-11 11:15:37 PM

DrRatchet: Dr. Ben Carson of may be an Oncological neurosurgeon,but he cured his own cancer with Glyconutrients!


Oh, he's a complete farking quack, too? This just keeps getting better and better.
 
2013-02-11 11:18:09 PM

DamnYankees: Has anyone ever been elected president without having either previously held some form of elected office or been a great military leader?


Cleveland came closest, with only about two years as a governor; then maybe Lincoln, who'd one session in the House and another 8 years in state legislature (but losing most of the offices he ran for).

On the other hand, the least experienced tend to be some of the best presidents, and the most experienced arguably some of the worst. Maybe we should throw out the electoral and popular votes and just do President by lottery?
 
2013-02-11 11:28:43 PM

drhansenej: Wow, a doctor who doean't believe in evolution. What a complete f*cktard. I'd get a second opinion.


Even George W. Bush knew better than to play the young earth creationist game. He may have hedged his language so as not to alienate the tards, but he never said that evolution is a satanic plot to destroy faith.
 
2013-02-11 11:28:48 PM
A) It's Johns Hopkins.
B) Carson did his undergrad at Yale and his med school at Michigan.  He did his residency at Hopkins.
C) This headline is all sorts of farked up.
 
2013-02-11 11:29:56 PM
Yes, we'll need to protect this man and his reputation from the most insidious destructive force in America.

Liberals. Liberals who will stoop to any low and do anything to destroy any minority who disagrees with them. If you want to see racism, be a minority that disagrees with a liberal.
 
2013-02-11 11:33:03 PM
ok, I see, the guy is an idiot. Flat tax and HSA's. Good jorb.
 
2013-02-11 11:36:24 PM

Uzzah: 2. What steps are in place to make sure that insurance companies are offering coverage that will be affordable for those who have no resources other than the government subsidy? If the subsidy doesn't cover the cost of coverage, what good is it? If it does, but there's only one available option, how is that any different than the current Medicaid model?


You insert a private sector middle man into the equation... by design.
 
2013-02-11 11:42:10 PM
He's Black AND a conservative!

It's crazy man!
 
2013-02-11 11:45:02 PM

Mrtraveler01: He's Black AND a conservative!

It's crazy man!


I'm sure there were Jews in Germany in the 30s who hated communism. I doubt many rushed to join the Yahtzee Party.
 
2013-02-12 12:00:55 AM

SlothB77: The difference is in 2016 it isn't gonna be a black republican against a black democrat.  It would be a black republican against a white democrat.  Are those districts in Philadelphia gonna vote 100% democrat in that scenario?


Are you suggesting the only reason they voted for Obama is black?
 
2013-02-12 12:05:24 AM
The GOP put up a respectable war veteran and a pretty housewife against a black guy whose middle name is "Hussein" and they LOST.

The GOP put up a clueless repressed rich guy and a pretty gym rat against a black guy whose middle name is "Hussein" and they LOST AGAIN.

Putting a new mannequin in the window ain't gonna help, you dumb goobers. You need a new product line.
 
2013-02-12 12:06:33 AM
Difficulty:
Chris O'donnel questioning his blackness
Cornell West calling him a house negro
Al Sharpton saying his entire career is some token gesture.
 
2013-02-12 12:08:15 AM

Felgraf: SlothB77: The difference is in 2016 it isn't gonna be a black republican against a black democrat.  It would be a black republican against a white democrat.  Are those districts in Philadelphia gonna vote 100% democrat in that scenario?

Are you suggesting the only reason they voted for Obama is black?


Of course, black people would vote for a Republican if he was black too.

Just ask PA Governor Lynn Swann.

http://www.electionreturns.state.pa.us/ElectionsInformation.aspx?Fun ct ionID=12&ElectionID=24#C2-0

Oh wait...
 
2013-02-12 12:13:14 AM

randomjsa: Yes, we'll need to protect this man and his reputation from the most insidious destructive force in America.


Termites?  Is it termites?  No, no.  Rust!  That shiat ruins everything!  No, wait, water!  Rain, floods, broken levies, it even causes rust!  It's got to be water, right?

Liberals.

Oh, right!  Liberals!!

Well, they did free the slaves, give women the vote, stop child labor, end Jim Crow...

Boy, you're right, those liberals f*cked everything up!
 
2013-02-12 12:14:34 AM

Lionel Mandrake: randomjsa: Yes, we'll need to protect this man and his reputation from the most insidious destructive force in America.

Termites?  Is it termites?  No, no.  Rust!  That shiat ruins everything!  No, wait, water!  Rain, floods, broken levies, it even causes rust!  It's got to be water, right?

Liberals.

Oh, right!  Liberals!!

Well, they did free the slaves, give women the vote, stop child labor, end Jim Crow...

Boy, you're right, those liberals f*cked everything up!


I agree. Us White Straight Christian Males sure had it real good until liberals farked it all up for us.

Thanks a lot liberals!
 
2013-02-12 12:18:12 AM

lennavan: I would trust these 10 major medical groups representing hundreds of thousands of doctors over a wide variety of sub-specialties over his one guy.


Because it ins't as though any of those organizations or the people that represent them stand to benefit in any way from mandating that people purchase their products.  In other news, GM, AAA, goodyear tire and Exxon are pleased over the new government mandate that everyone purchase a car

.

born_yesterday: Ummm...if you're choosing to die because you have six diseases and need to pass what little money you have left to your children, isn't that kinda sorta a little like facing a "death panel".  Or is it somehow better to force a person to choose to die (and then deny them the legal right to do so in the manner of their choosing)?


No.  you're allowing an 85 year old who has terminal pancreatic cancer to pass on to their kids and grandkids the property that they acquired after a lifetime of work and paying into a system.  You know who else argued people shouldn't be allowed to pass property onto their relatives?
 
2013-02-12 12:26:49 AM

Lawnchair: hackalope: So HSAs have been working in Singapore for a while now. I personally worry about consumer fraud, failures of long term personal planning, and how the finical apparatus to actually save the money would work. That being said it's one of the more viable ways to address heath care problems, it a legitimate view.

A few things.  First, Singapore doctors (who accept the national insurance anyway) are strictly limited in what they can charge for any given procedure.  Hear a lot of support for price controls here?

Beyond that, fully half the working-age population of Singapore are 'guest workers', who get shipped back to Bangladesh or the Philippines when they hit 55 or start having medical issues, whichever comes first.   They do pay into the social insurance systems they don't stand a chance of getting anything out of though.  So that's nice.


The shiatty treatment of guest workers is a matter of how much savings is put away, and the price of care is a general problem. It's not that I think HSAs are the only way to go, but every solution we have breaks down somewhere. I like the idea of a single payer, but it's got it's got cost of care and availability problems. The plan McCain had of stopping the healthcare tax subsidy, but continuing the private insurance might have helped a bit in the short term but doesn't deal with the primary problems with cost of care other than letting insurance companies deny people. The ACA was mostly about getting everyone on some private insurance, with parts trying to deal with profiteering and bringing down the cost of care. The fundamental idea of HSAs are to have people have responsibility for their own cost of care, and as an effect of that provides price sensitivity to a system that currently lacks it. There are a lot of problems with it, some of which I listed, and you mentioned a few specific to Singapore (which I need to do more reading on, because I wasn't aware of the guest worker issue), but I think my point stands that it's not bug nuts crazy.
 
2013-02-12 12:28:11 AM

o5iiawah: No.  you're allowing an 85 year old who has terminal pancreatic cancer to pass on to their kids and grandkids the property that they acquired after a lifetime of work and paying into a system.  You know who else argued people shouldn't be allowed to pass property onto their relatives?


HSA MONEY IS ALREADY INHERITABLE!!!

It has been since the day the HSA program dribbled out of Ws drawers.

It is taxable at ordinary income rates for the inheritor, mind you, but it was put in pre-tax (just like a 401k/trad-IRA).  No extra penalties at all.

The only way your theory makes sense is if pancreatic-cancer-Joe says, "well, I could pass this to my kids, but my son is in the 25% bracket.  So, I guess I'll go ahead and have some extra painful and useless chemo to use up the rest of my HSA money so nobody has to pay any tax on it".

/ This is how Republicans believe people make decisions.
 
2013-02-12 12:33:03 AM
Mrtraveler01: Lionel Mandrake: randomjsa: Yes, we'll need to protect this man and his reputation from the most insidious destructive force in America.

Termites?  Is it termites?  No, no.  Rust!  That shiat ruins everything!  No, wait, water!  Rain, floods, broken levies, it even causes rust!  It's got to be water, right?

Liberals.

Oh, right!  Liberals!!

Well, they did free the slaves, give women the vote, stop child labor, end Jim Crow...

Boy, you're right, those liberals f*cked everything up!

I agree. Us White Straight Christian Males sure had it real good until liberals farked it all up for us.


Thanks a lot liberals!


Before liberals:

2.bp.blogspot.com

After:

i.imgflip.com
 
2013-02-12 12:34:22 AM

k1j2b3: MacEnvy: So all the GOP needs to do to win is "black it up" a little? You morons, this is why you will continue to lose. You honestly think it's about race and not about policy. You epic failures of human beings.

No, we need to choose candidates like Dr. Carson, who can clearly state the conservative position and give simple, thought-provoking solutions to our problems. Also, I love how he pointed out how political correctness keeps good ideas out of the mix.

I am looking for a smart candidate with the ability to explain conservative ideas to Americans in plain English. I couldn't care less if he was white, black, hispanic or asian. Dr. Carson was a breath of fresh air.


...well, then, the problem isn't your candidate. It's your platform.
 
2013-02-12 12:35:36 AM
That's great and all, but I want to see a birth certificate and college transcripts.
 
2013-02-12 12:36:41 AM

hackalope: The fundamental idea of HSAs are to have people have responsibility for their own cost of care, and as an effect of that provides price sensitivity to a system that currently lacks it. There are a lot of problems with it, some of which I listed, and you mentioned a few specific to Singapore


The biggest difference with Singapore isn't just the rarity of sick people (because they are sent home), it's that you *always* know the cost of a medical procedure.  Because the extreme-nanny-state (remember, this is the same place that basically bans chewing gum because it's a nuisance) declares that procedure X  will cost $Y.  Unlike US health care where most doctors couldn't quote you a price on anything if you held a gun to their head.

Of course, the fiat-set prices largely take away the 'comparison shopping' aspect of HSAs.  The Singaporean system does benefit a bit from the other half of the HSA equation (the people who shut up and suffer with ailments x and y, because they don't want to spend money).

Now, why do so many uber-libertarians who've never been there go all moon-eyed over an extreme near-totalitarian Bloomberg's-wet-dream nanny-state? That I'll never really understand.
 
2013-02-12 12:38:18 AM
Also, congrats to the GOP on having a black guy.  Very exciting times.  It's almost as exciting as the Hispanic guy in the Senate.
 
2013-02-12 12:41:43 AM
When you die, you can pass it on to your family members, so that when you're 85 years old and you got six diseases, you're not trying to spend up everything. You're happy to pass it on and there's nobody talking about 'death panels.'

A family will never say "pull the plug before the HSA is empty".  Never.  Or wait...always.  Always.  Now the death panels can be staffed by your own kin!
 
2013-02-12 12:54:03 AM

Felgraf: SlothB77: The difference is in 2016 it isn't gonna be a black republican against a black democrat.  It would be a black republican against a white democrat.  Are those districts in Philadelphia gonna vote 100% democrat in that scenario?

Are you suggesting the only reason they voted for Obama is black?


Sloth is a moron if he thinks North Philly, Southwest and the blacker parts of West Philly voted Democratic in 2008 and 2012 because the candidate was black; they've been voting solidly Democratic since (and even though) FDR redlined their asses.

However, I can tell you for a fact that the older, whiter parts of South Philly voted for McCain and maybe for Romney because Obama is an "eggplant".
 
2013-02-12 01:19:21 AM

slayer199: Still a member of the GOP and I didn't see him say much about his social policies.  If he's a social moderate, the GOP establishment won't give him a shot...if he's a wacky social conservative, the electorate won't give him a shot.


LOL, good succinct summary of why (R) will have a hard time with its current demographic makeup.
 
2013-02-12 02:09:05 AM

Karac: That fuel leak, what did you use to fix it - duct tape, or grits?


Baby powder and a dental mirror. I wish I was joking.

Actually we sprayed down the whole area with baby powder and looked at what was wet using the mirror to see underneath the fuel lines, then wound up replacing a sensor seal.

I wonder if that neurosurgeon dude has ever done any of that stuff.
 
2013-02-12 02:17:41 AM

abb3w: Maybe we should throw out the electoral and popular votes and just do President by lottery?


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"Gambling for the presidency? I like it!"

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"You see, the house always wins..."

www.theblaze.com
",,,And I own the house."
 
2013-02-12 02:26:16 AM
So when this guy gets the nomination in 2016 and loses, will the gop admit that Obama didn't win because he was black? They won't? Well, will they at least stop concentrating on race and just run on the issues in 2020? No, they'll double down on the same thing that lost them the previous election, even though they were running against the same person and should've learned from it? Well, are they at least going to change things up in 2024? They won't be around in 2024? That's a shame.
 
2013-02-12 02:27:37 AM

slayer199: Still a member of the GOP and I didn't see him say much about his social policies.  If he's a social moderate, the GOP establishment won't give him a shot...if he's a wacky social conservative, the electorate won't give him a shot.


He's also a creationist.  Does that help?
 
2013-02-12 02:29:21 AM

you are a puppet: Well, are they at least going to change things up in 2024?


Sure they will. They'll change districting lines again and modify the Electoral College if that's what it takes. Their platform is their platform! It cannot possible be wrong because Jesus!
 
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