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(Yahoo)   Here he is on a silver platter, GOP: A black, Christian neurosurgeon who hates Obamacare, was born into poverty, is against Affirmative Action, and graduated top of his class from Johns Hopkins. Now don't fark it up   (news.yahoo.com) divider line 338
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2013-02-11 08:05:52 PM  
So my understanding this guy has NO political experience, and they want him to be president?

I remembered when they used to attack Obama for not having enough political experience (heck they were even doing it last election after he was president for 4 years) when he had around 10 years of political experience when he first ran.
 
2013-02-11 08:07:02 PM  
Typical GOP logic. Find someone black to say that Obama care sucks. Suddenly everyone black will vote GOP.
 
2013-02-11 08:08:13 PM  

thornhill: Typical GOP logic. Find someone black to say that Obama care sucks. Suddenly everyone black will vote GOP.


They think everyone else is as racist as them.
 
2013-02-11 08:08:50 PM  

Karac: "We can make contributions for people who are indigent," Carson said. "Instead of sending all this money to some bureaucracy, let's put it in their HSAs. Now they have some control over their own health care. And very quickly they're going to learn how to be responsible."

OK, I see how you can do some things to be responsible for your own health. Work out, eat right, stop smoking, slap on some suntan lotion when you go to the beach, so on and so forth.

But take just my family for example. How's my dad supposed to responsibly avoid having the diabetes he's had since birth? How about the uncle who got prostate cancer - how's he supposed to cut down the odds of that happening? My mom's breast cancer scare - what'd she do wrong? My brother that got run over by a drunk driver while walking to work one morning - what's Carson's plan to not have that happen?

I suppose a HSA could work for regularly expected things. Twice yearly dental checkups, new glasses, maybe some kind of cheapish regular allergy or birth control meds. But I'm pretty sure the first time you have to actually go into a hospital, that thing'll disappear like a fart in high wind.

If his plan is to take all the money we're currently spending and redirect it to HSA - then why don't we just take all the money we're spending and redirect it to single payer?


Because somehow people think the reason healthcare is so damn expensive in America is that it's too easy to obtain and so people are abusing all that free healthcare emergency rooms, Medicaid, and Medicare provide. Once you make it difficult, people will start living better lives to avoid being financially ruined by a bad case of influenza.

I just can't fathom how people honestly believe healthcare, one of the most inelastic markets on the planet, is brimming with moral hazard if it's treated as a public utility.
 
2013-02-11 08:08:55 PM  

GilRuiz1: BATMAN RESPECT KNUCKLES


So we've heard from the 12 year olds.  Nice to have their position out there.  Good.  Good.  Glad to have that over with.
 
2013-02-11 08:09:47 PM  
Take a close look at the math for this guy's plan.
1) You'll be able to sock away pre-tax money into a HSA.
2) Which your heirs can inherit tax free.

Since the estate tax doesn't kick in unless your kids inherit more than 5 million, then we can all agree that that second part is completely farking worthless to the vast majority of Americans.

Now lets take a look at the first part.  Pretend you got cancer today - could you afford to get cured with the money you have in your bank account?  Could you afford to get cured if you had never paid income taxes on ANYTHING, and your bank account was ~20% higher than it is now?  If you answered no, then this guy's plan probably isn't the best idea for you.
 
2013-02-11 08:12:47 PM  
www.institutcoppet.org
 
2013-02-11 08:12:52 PM  
I wish the GOP would just stop with these pathetic attempts to attract me. They put up these assholes like Ben Carson who are an insult to decent people everywhere. I'm really glad that his mom taught him to value education and reading. Too bad she didn't teach him how to be a caring human being.

Seriously, fark that guy AND his autobiography.

On another note, fark the GOP, which is pretty much filled with racist douchetools. There was probably a time that I would consider voting for Republicans, but as I learned more about the history of the GOP, I realized that such a time ended once Eisenhower left office.
 
2013-02-11 08:15:01 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: so much typical hatred and racism from the left.


So much shilling from the partisan troll.
 
2013-02-11 08:17:48 PM  

Raharu: tenpoundsofcheese: so much typical hatred and racism from the left.

So much shilling from the partisan troll.


You're not partisan though.
 
2013-02-11 08:17:55 PM  

Grungehamster: Because somehow people think the reason healthcare is so damn expensive in America is that it's too easy to obtain and so people are abusing all that free healthcare emergency rooms, Medicaid, and Medicare provide. Once you make it difficult, people will start living better lives to avoid being financially ruined by a bad case of influenza.

I just can't fathom how people honestly believe healthcare, one of the most inelastic markets on the planet, is brimming with moral hazard if it's treated as a public utility.


It's a lot easier to believe that if you steadfastly refuse to look  anywhere else in the world.  There's already nowhere else in the world where needing medical care is more financially 'invisible hand' punished than in the ante-PPACA USA.  There is also nowhere else where health care is as expensive.  Some countries do have slightly higher rates of doctor's office visits for minor conditions than us (the French do apparently just love going in and getting pills), but they still manage to be much, much, much cheaper than the US system.
 
2013-02-11 08:18:10 PM  

MacEnvy: So all the GOP needs to do to win is "black it up" a little? You morons, this is why you will continue to lose. You honestly think it's about race and not about policy. You epic failures of human beings.


No, to them it's about the 'message'.  Doing the right thing be damned, and all that.
 
2013-02-11 08:19:47 PM  

Elandriel: What the shiat?  This guy is just Michael Steele with a scalpel.  He's a cookie cutter republican bozo who has no concept of progressive taxation or proper methods to ensure the health of the nation.

Being from poverty you would think he'd be more aware or the asinine nature of modern conservatism, but hey he's rich now.  He really is the epitome of GOP candidacy - a purebred first generation "fark you, I got mine".


That's a lot of wasted characters. Next time shorten it to, "His opinions differ from mine."
 
2013-02-11 08:20:27 PM  
He's a neurosurgeon?  I wonder how much compassion and intelligence he's surreptitiously cut out of patients' brains.
 
2013-02-11 08:21:17 PM  
It's things like this that really bring home the painful truth:

They really do believe that people voted for BO because he's black.

Screw the whole 'hope and change' thing, and how charismatic the man is, or his intellect or ability to try and work with both sides...

Nevermind all that 'political' stuff.  They sincerely believe that he won because he's black.
 
2013-02-11 08:24:20 PM  

jigger: Raharu: tenpoundsofcheese: so much typical hatred and racism from the left.

So much shilling from the partisan troll.

You're not partisan though.


I'm not. I can acknowledge my own failings and mistakes, and those of people in power regardless of political affiliation.
 
2013-02-11 08:24:33 PM  

Infernalist: It's things like this that really bring home the painful truth:

They really do believe that people voted for BO because he's black.

Screw the whole 'hope and change' thing, and how charismatic the man is, or his intellect or ability to try and work with both sides...

Nevermind all that 'political' stuff.  They sincerely believe that he won because he's black.


You're forgetting that each and every one of his supporters ("worshippers"--that'll teach those libtards) is a freeloader looking for a handout, or just ignorant about how bad he is for the nation.
 
2013-02-11 08:24:57 PM  
The cost of medical care will be solved by free-market solutions the same day that the recording industry stamps out piracy.

When you give someone both the power to choose your product and its cost, you lose.
 
2013-02-11 08:28:38 PM  

k1j2b3: What happens to the baby at 2 years old that needs heart surgery and doesn't have enough money in an HSA?  I'd be curious to hear more about the whole idea


What do you mean, more? With HSAs, there is no more. Either the money is there or it isn't. If baby needs surgery and the account is empty, then the family has to pay for that surgery out of pocket.

That's the whole story. There is no "more" that magically makes it all a better idea.

Now HSAs aren't completely evil. They have a place. For example, I don't have vision coverage though my job, so I put a few hundred dollars into my HSA every year and use that for my eye exam and a pair of glasses, and I don't have to pay taxes on that money.

But as a replacement for insurance? No way.
 
2013-02-11 08:33:04 PM  
 "If the Lord grabbed me by the collar and made me do it, I would. It's not my intention."
When it comes to taxes, Carson pushed for a flat income tax by citing the biblical concept of tithing.


Farking religious whack-job.
 
2013-02-11 08:34:40 PM  

jjorsett: That's a lot of wasted characters. Next time shorten it to, "His opinions differ from mine."


Holier than thou only works if you're actually holier. Republicans are not holier.

Let's play a game. You make a list of all the mean names the bad Liberals called this man. I'll make a list of mean names Conservatives call President Obama on a regular basis. We'll see who has the worse list. Hint: it won't be you.
 
2013-02-11 08:37:19 PM  
So... They asked a medical specialist about health care, and his response was "Whichever option gives me the most money"? Colour me shocked.

Of course, this guy's obviously an unelectable loon anyway.
 
2013-02-11 08:41:38 PM  
Ha, the guy thinks that HSA's are going to solve our health care problems.
 
2013-02-11 08:43:02 PM  

Pincy: Ha, the guy thinks that HSA's are going to solve our health care problems.


Yep.  He might as well have said, "Why don't the poors just get more money when they need heath care?"
 
2013-02-11 08:43:42 PM  
A black

C'mon, guys.  We already know this isn't going to work.
 
2013-02-11 08:44:26 PM  

Karac: Grungehamster: Sergeant Grumbles: NFA: In fact he said Americans desperately need healthcare.

But he said the best way to do that was with HSA's that could be passed on via inheritance, and that the government would still pay for the indigent. That sounds worse than what we already have. We need to get the free market as far away from healthcare as possible.

I had a professor like this in when I was in college back in 2009. He was a genius guy, but that whole idea astounds me just from a policy perspective. He basically said "look, if the problem is people unable to get insurance, than the least invasive solution is for the government to back private pre-existing condition insurance plans like they do student loans! Once the free market knows there is profit to be made, we can have universal coverage if people want it while leaving people free to not buy insurance if they want!"

Wait a minute there.
You can a college professor, a theoretically well-education man - who thinks the free market hasn't already realized there's a shiat-ton of profit to be made in health care?

I'd ask for a refund of the money you spent to sit in his class.


He's honestly a really smart and respected guy in the field (here is where I share entirely too much personal information on the interwebs: it was Richard Cebula, who is currently ranked 123 on the list of most published economists in the country, and a look through his papers should show he's not exactly someone overly partisan: http://ideas.repec.org/e/pce99.html). Dude is damn smart, it just seemed like he was offering policy just as flawed if not moreso than the one he was rejecting in that particular case.

He wasn't talking about healthcare in general, he was saying this about there being no market for people deemed too high risk to be insured by private companies. He was saying "look, you shouldn't be affecting every American's healthcare options to deal with this matter. All you have to do is to set up a high risk category of insurance where private insurers will provide these people insurance with an above average but still reasonable premium, and in exchange the government will guarantee that if the person ends up costing more than they paid in the insurer will be reimbursed for the loss." It just seemed like you would be creating a moral hazard for insurers to push as many people onto the high-risk list, and then we'd essentially have single payer for all the worst off people (elderly, poor, and sickly), but with any savings of such a system skimmed off the top by firms who have not actually borne any of the risk involved.

Maybe I just misunderstood him, but that's what I got out of our discussion of the PPACA and his alternative suggestion.
 
2013-02-11 08:44:57 PM  

born_yesterday: Pincy: Ha, the guy thinks that HSA's are going to solve our health care problems.

Yep.  He might as well have said, "Why don't the poors just get more money when they need heath care?"


Or better yet, why can't everybody just become a neurosurgeon and be rich like me.
 
2013-02-11 08:51:44 PM  
What a black christian neurosurgeon might look like, as depicted by Cuba Gooding Jr.: ecx.images-amazon.com
Seriously, this whole thing screams "Christian book tour."
 
2013-02-11 08:53:19 PM  

Zmog: homelessdude: He has a lot of quick, pat answers on some big issues.

Interesting, but let's see how this plays out.
---
Does he have any long, thoughtful answers?



Well, he is at that point where as a maybe, if-it-happens, i-might-begin-to-think-about-it, possible, pre-pre-pre-candidate, he is not going to give out too much in the way of specifics. He's got the book, obivously the smarts and a nice ease in front of people. Somebody to keep an eye out for, but he is just dipping his toe in the water at this time, if that.

Or more likely, at this time it is a lot of other people hoping he jumps in as opposed to him making any moves himself.

We shall see.
 
2013-02-11 08:55:42 PM  
Here's Dr. Carson with his solution to the health care crisis in this country.

CARSON:  Here's my solution: When a person is born, give him a birth certificate, an electronic medical record, and a health savings account to which money can be contributed -- pretax -- from the time you're born 'til the time you die.  When you die, you can pass it on to your family members, so that when you're 85 years old and you got six diseases, you're not trying to spend up everything. You're happy to pass it on and there's nobody talking about 'death panels.'  Number one.  And also, for the people who were indigent who don't have any money, we can make contributions to their HSA each month because we already have this huge pot of money. Instead of sending it to some bureaucracy, let's put it in their HSAs.  Now they have some control over their own health care.
 
2013-02-11 08:56:12 PM  

phritz: What a black christian neurosurgeon might look like, as depicted by Cuba Gooding Jr.: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]
Seriously, this whole thing screams "Christian book tour."


Maybe Fox News can book Cuba Gooding Jr. as an impersonator and Ron Paul can debate him.
 
2013-02-11 09:00:55 PM  

SlothB77: Here's Dr. Carson with his solution to the health care crisis in this country.

CARSON:  Here's my solution: When a person is born, give him a birth certificate, an electronic medical record, and a health savings account to which money can be contributed -- pretax -- from the time you're born 'til the time you die.  When you die, you can pass it on to your family members, so that when you're 85 years old and you got six diseases, you're not trying to spend up everything. You're happy to pass it on and there's nobody talking about 'death panels.'  Number one.  And also, for the people who were indigent who don't have any money, we can make contributions to their HSA each month because we already have this huge pot of money. Instead of sending it to some bureaucracy, let's put it in their HSAs.  Now they have some control over their own health care.


That is quite possibly the dumbest and most back-asswards idea for "health care reform" I have ever heard.
 
2013-02-11 09:02:26 PM  

SlothB77: Here's Dr. Carson with his solution to the health care crisis in this country.

CARSON:  Here's my solution: When a person is born, give him a birth certificate, an electronic medical record, and a health savings account to which money can be contributed -- pretax -- from the time you're born 'til the time you die.  When you die, you can pass it on to your family members, so that when you're 85 years old and you got six diseases, you're not trying to spend up everything. You're happy to pass it on and there's nobody talking about 'death panels.'  Number one.  And also, for the people who were indigent who don't have any money, we can make contributions to their HSA each month because we already have this huge pot of money. Instead of sending it to some bureaucracy, let's put it in their HSAs.  Now they have some control over their own health care.


Translation: "You're old and sick? Then just die already, or your kids suffer."  He's not making it past Iowa.
 
2013-02-11 09:03:03 PM  
The difference is in 2016 it isn't gonna be a black republican against a black democrat.  It would be a black republican against a white democrat.  Are those districts in Philadelphia gonna vote 100% democrat in that scenario?
 
2013-02-11 09:05:00 PM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: SlothB77: Here's Dr. Carson with his solution to the health care crisis in this country.

CARSON:  Here's my solution: When a person is born, give him a birth certificate, an electronic medical record, and a health savings account to which money can be contributed -- pretax -- from the time you're born 'til the time you die.  When you die, you can pass it on to your family members, so that when you're 85 years old and you got six diseases, you're not trying to spend up everything. You're happy to pass it on and there's nobody talking about 'death panels.'  Number one.  And also, for the people who were indigent who don't have any money, we can make contributions to their HSA each month because we already have this huge pot of money. Instead of sending it to some bureaucracy, let's put it in their HSAs.  Now they have some control over their own health care.

Translation: "You're old and sick? Then just die already, or your kids suffer."  He's not making it past Iowa.


Ummm...if you're choosing to die because you have six diseases and need to pass what little money you have left to your children, isn't that kinda sorta a little like facing a "death panel".  Or is it somehow better to force a person to choose to die (and then deny them the legal right to do so in the manner of their choosing)?
 
2013-02-11 09:05:15 PM  

k1j2b3: I think you all missed what the HSA idea was about. Instead of paying into Medicare our whole lives, that would be put into a personal HSA account. At least, that was the basic idea. Dr. Carson said that there was more detail to it than that, so he was just throwing out an idea.

I think this makes sense. It would be in lieu of health insurance. You spend in on medical needs as necessary throughout life. It would be up to the elderly person with a lot to spend in his HSA account, if he wanted that knee replacement at 90 or a quadruple bypass at 85, or if he'd rather not spend that money and pass it on to his family.

Now, I see do see a problem with this simplified explanation. What happens to the baby at 2 years old that needs heart surgery and doesn't have enough money in an HSA?  I'd be curious to hear more about the whole idea.

People on this commenting board seem to think that if we do a new idea like this, that the system we have today will be the same one we are dealing with.  The whole point is to create cheaper and smarter healthcare. I think I would trust a neurosurgeon who has spent more than 35 years in healthcare and insurance to know more than 99% of the commenters.


Unless he's working with hospital billing, he has minimal problems other than making sure he keeps his ICD codes straight. His billing staff knows about it, not him.

Seriously, MDs don't know much about insurance unless they're rattling around in a small private practice.
 
2013-02-11 09:07:32 PM  
The real litmus test will be if he can deliver a campaign commercial tour de force that will get everyone involved.

Because together, we can do this,. we can take this country back . (yt)
 
2013-02-11 09:07:58 PM  

Grungehamster: He wasn't talking about healthcare in general, he was saying this about there being no market for people deemed too high risk to be insured by private companies. He was saying "look, you shouldn't be affecting every American's healthcare options to deal with this matter. All you have to do is to set up a high risk category of insurance where private insurers will provide these people insurance with an above average but still reasonable premium, and in exchange the government will guarantee that if the person ends up costing more than they paid in the insurer will be reimbursed for the loss." It just seemed like you would be creating a moral hazard for insurers to push as many people onto the high-risk list, and then we'd essentially have single payer for all the worst off people (elderly, poor, and sickly), but with any savings of such a system skimmed off the top by firms who have not actually borne any of the risk involved.

Maybe I just misunderstood him, but that's what I got out of our discussion of the PPACA and his alternative suggestion.


Obviously, the 'privatize the profitable parts, socialize the expenses' bothers you like me.  There's also a lot of non-ivory-tower realities that go beyond questions of 'right'.

First, even for relatively healthy people, the status-quo-ante health insurance system is hated, not something they want preserved.

Second, there isn't some miniscule portion of the country who would need 'high risk' insurance.  Over a third of people who currently seek private health insurance are excluded due to risks.  If you merged Medicare and Medicaid (poor people have high comorbidities), you're  way over half the nation falling into the 'high risk pool'.

Third, if you managed to restrict things down to where only 20% or so of the population were in 'high risk pools' (force the insurers to take on more risk?), funding for those pools would be politically targeted every single year.
 
2013-02-11 09:08:15 PM  

SlothB77: The difference is in 2016 it isn't gonna be a black republican against a black democrat.  It would be a black republican against a white democrat.  Are those districts in Philadelphia gonna vote 100% democrat in that scenario?


arolemodel.com
 
2013-02-11 09:18:11 PM  

Lawnchair: Grungehamster: He wasn't talking about healthcare in general, he was saying this about there being no market for people deemed too high risk to be insured by private companies. He was saying "look, you shouldn't be affecting every American's healthcare options to deal with this matter. All you have to do is to set up a high risk category of insurance where private insurers will provide these people insurance with an above average but still reasonable premium, and in exchange the government will guarantee that if the person ends up costing more than they paid in the insurer will be reimbursed for the loss." It just seemed like you would be creating a moral hazard for insurers to push as many people onto the high-risk list, and then we'd essentially have single payer for all the worst off people (elderly, poor, and sickly), but with any savings of such a system skimmed off the top by firms who have not actually borne any of the risk involved.

Maybe I just misunderstood him, but that's what I got out of our discussion of the PPACA and his alternative suggestion.

Obviously, the 'privatize the profitable parts, socialize the expenses' bothers you like me.  There's also a lot of non-ivory-tower realities that go beyond questions of 'right'.

First, even for relatively healthy people, the status-quo-ante health insurance system is hated, not something they want preserved.

Second, there isn't some miniscule portion of the country who would need 'high risk' insurance.  Over a third of people who currently seek private health insurance are excluded due to risks.  If you merged Medicare and Medicaid (poor people have high comorbidities), you're  way over half the nation falling into the 'high risk pool'.

Third, if you managed to restrict things down to where only 20% or so of the population were in 'high risk pools' (force the insurers to take on more risk?), funding for those pools would be politically targeted every single year.


Yeah; I don't know why I didn't think of it, but I stumbled across this Megan McArdle article on the concept of reinsurance a couple days after he brought it up and forwarded it along to him (since he was saying why wasn't it even being discussed in the media, and I wanted to show him that it was addressed somewhere): http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2009/08/why-not-try-healt h -care-reinsurance/23514/

There, now I don't have to feel quite as bad trash-talking a guy I genuinely respect even when I severely disagree with his points. Check McArdle and her links if anyone is worried I am misrepresenting the idea.
 
2013-02-11 09:20:33 PM  

born_yesterday: Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: SlothB77: Here's Dr. Carson with his solution to the health care crisis in this country.

CARSON:  Here's my solution: When a person is born, give him a birth certificate, an electronic medical record, and a health savings account to which money can be contributed -- pretax -- from the time you're born 'til the time you die.  When you die, you can pass it on to your family members, so that when you're 85 years old and you got six diseases, you're not trying to spend up everything. You're happy to pass it on and there's nobody talking about 'death panels.'  Number one.  And also, for the people who were indigent who don't have any money, we can make contributions to their HSA each month because we already have this huge pot of money. Instead of sending it to some bureaucracy, let's put it in their HSAs.  Now they have some control over their own health care.

Translation: "You're old and sick? Then just die already, or your kids suffer."  He's not making it past Iowa.

Ummm...if you're choosing to die because you have six diseases and need to pass what little money you have left to your children, isn't that kinda sorta a little like facing a "death panel".  Or is it somehow better to force a person to choose to die (and then deny them the legal right to do so in the manner of their choosing)?


No, that is NOT a death panel.  Choosing to die because you want to send your kids money - even though you have the money to get yourself fixed - is euthanasia.

Which means that even if this guy became president, and even if this plan became law, that part of it would get erased.  The first time someone decided to take advantage of that option you'd see a handful of senators get together on a federal holiday to pass a law requiring the courts to tell this guy to go back to the doctor.
 
2013-02-11 09:28:20 PM  

jehovahs witness protection: We like the hell out of him, but people on the left HATE him because he isn't their expectations of what a black man should be. They are the racists. Anyone who disagrees with Obama is racist in liberals' eyes...even if they back another black person.


Come back and say that  when the GOP actually nominates a black person for President.

(Psst: They will never nominate a black person for President).
 
2013-02-11 09:29:41 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: He won't even make it past Iowa. You know why? Because about 60% of Americans don't share his values. It's not the color of his skin. We just proved that in the last election.


It is in the Republican primaries. If I've learned anything in the last 4 years, it's that most staunch Republicans (the kind that go to primaries) left after the Bush abortion are foam-at-the-mouth racists.
 
2013-02-11 09:32:17 PM  

BSABSVR: Remember successful businessman and liberals' worst nightmare Herman Cain?


My parents actually liked the guy because they thought his 9-9-9 plan would lower their sales tax from 9.75% to 9% (TN residents). They didn't believe me when I explained it would mean paying an additional 9% Federal sales tax on everything.
 
2013-02-11 09:34:32 PM  

Smelly McUgly: There was probably a time that I would consider voting for Republicans, but as I learned more about the history of the GOP, I realized that such a time ended once Eisenhower left office.


That f*cking RINO?
 
2013-02-11 09:38:09 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: He's a neurosurgeon?  I wonder how much compassion and intelligence he's surreptitiously cut out of patients' brains.


www.iwatchstuff.com
 
2013-02-11 09:42:17 PM  

phritz: What a black christian neurosurgeon might look like, as depicted by Cuba Gooding Jr.: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]
Seriously, this whole thing screams "Christian book tour."


What a modern Republican might look like, coincidentally also depicted by Cuba Gooding, Jr:

content9.flixster.com
"Show me the money!"
 
2013-02-11 09:44:26 PM  
The only thing worse than a rich Republican saying "screw you, I got mine", is a rich Republican who used to be poor saying "screw you, I got mine".
 
2013-02-11 09:45:14 PM  
Wow, a doctor who doean't believe in evolution. What a complete f*cktard. I'd get a second opinion.
 
2013-02-11 09:49:11 PM  

SlothB77: Here's Dr. Carson with his solution to the health care crisis in this country.

CARSON:  Here's my solution: When a person is born, give him a birth certificate, an electronic medical record, and a health savings account to which money can be contributed -- pretax -- from the time you're born 'til the time you die.  When you die, you can pass it on to your family members, so that when you're 85 years old and you got six diseases, you're not trying to spend up everything. You're happy to pass it on and there's nobody talking about 'death panels.'  Number one.  And also, for the people who were indigent who don't have any money, we can make contributions to their HSA each month because we already have this huge pot of money. Instead of sending it to some bureaucracy, let's put it in their HSAs.  Now they have some control over their own health care.


For someone who makes a living providing medical care, this guy seems pretty ignorant of the fact that Medicare is far more efficient (in regards to the amount of money taken in that actually goes towards providing care) than any private health insurance company has ever been, mainly because they exist to provide medical treatment to people, not to make a profit. He probably doesn't like Medicare because they don't pay as much as the insurance companies for the same treatment, nor does Medicare agree to give certain doctors monopolies on providing treatment to those they cover in their area (a.k.a. "in network" doctors).
 
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