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(Bloomberg)   Huntsman calls Rove's primary plan "yesterday's ballgame", last week's world cup, last decade's superbowl, last century's shell game. It's a tired and useless thing, is what he's getting at, I guess   (bloomberg.com) divider line 39
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2013-02-11 05:12:34 PM  
FTFA: Former Republican presidential candidate Jon Huntsman called strategist Karl Rove "yesterday's ballgame" as he urged his party to shun political tactics in favor of ideas on improving government.

That would be great advice, provided they had any ideas on improving government.

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2013-02-11 05:15:42 PM  
I appreciate what Huntsman is saying, but he's not entirely right.  You have to get a seat at the table to influence policy and the Christine O'Donnells of the world will never get that seat.  I agree that Republicans need better ideas too, but those ideas will never get a fair hearing unless they come from reasonable candidates.
 
2013-02-11 05:15:52 PM  
Oh my god, it's like he has half a brain and some sort of moral compass. This is why he lost in the primaries.
 
2013-02-11 05:17:43 PM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: Oh my god, it's like he has half a brain and some sort of moral compass. This is why he lost in the primaries.


That and he believes in science.

HERETIC!!!
 
2013-02-11 05:20:37 PM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: Oh my god, it's like he has half a brain and some sort of moral compass. This is why he lost in the primaries.


He'd convince me a lot more if he became and Independent and ran as one.
 
2013-02-11 05:21:59 PM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: Oh my god, it's like he has half a brain and some sort of moral compass. This is why he lost in the primaries.


Now that's just not fair. The Republicans do have a moral compass.

It always points to : STONE THE SLUT!
 
2013-02-11 05:22:16 PM  
Checkmate.
 
2013-02-11 05:22:29 PM  
He wants Republicans to come up with plans?  Who the hell does he think he is?
 
2013-02-11 05:24:24 PM  
If republicans were more like Huntsman, I could at least respect them... even when I do not agree with them.
 
2013-02-11 05:28:01 PM  
Those ideas should include changing the way government works, such as restrictions on campaign spending, limiting congressional terms, requiring nonpartisan redistricting, and taking on banks deemed too big to fail, Huntsman said.


Oh god yes. I hope he keeps banging these drums and I really hope he's successful moving political discourse in this direction. I'm convinced that three of these ideas are excellent ones and while I'm skeptical that term limits are some sort of panacaea I'm open to hearing further discussion...
 
2013-02-11 05:28:24 PM  
"Politics isn't going to win the elections for us. It's not about people. It's about ideas. And the ideas are going to drive people to victory."

Republican ideas?

Are driving the GOP into a nationally unelectable party and driving sane people to drink. So there's that.

"Protect the rich and fark over the poor" is about the only consistent idea I've seen from them recently unless obstructing and trying to overturn everything done to date also qualifies as an idea.

Huntsman is too bright to be a GOP and not progressive enough to switch.

That said I do appreciate his efforts towards greater bipartisanship in DC as doomed as they may be.
 
2013-02-11 05:29:50 PM  

Surool: If republicans were more like Huntsman, I could at least respect them... even when I do not agree with them.


Agreed.
 
2013-02-11 05:31:46 PM  
So Huntsman is essentially telling his repub compatriots to fight fair? shiat, they can't even win when they fight dirty.

The repubs have gone completely off the rails and the Democrats have moved in to appropriate the centrist positions that once typified moderate Republicanism. At this point I simply don't see what they can do to regain their previous role. They have no one to blame but themselves--they saw what they thought was the opportunity to establish a permanent majority through a combination of extremist ideology, bait and switch, pandering, and vote manipulation (both through suppression and gerrymandering), and have instead destroyed any hope of regaining the trust of the American people. They're history.
 
2013-02-11 05:32:45 PM  
FTFA: Huntsman, a former Utah governor, and Senator Joe Manchin, a West Virginia Democrat, are the national leaders of No Labels, a group urging representatives of both parties to reach bipartisan solutions.

This should tell you a lot about how serious Huntsman is about making substantive changes to the culture of the Republican Party.  Even the name of his organization screams "rebranding," and the fact that it's doing so through negation isn't fooling anybody.
 
2013-02-11 05:37:49 PM  

quatchi: Huntsman is too bright to be a GOP and not progressive enough to switch.


That's probably the best summary I've seen of Huntsman.
 
2013-02-11 05:39:17 PM  
"The next big thing for Republicans is going to be how you make the system work, which is reforming government," he said. "There's a mood change in this country that says, 'All right, you've blown up the system, now you've got to make it work.'"


Well, yeah, but many of us won't trust y'all until you beg for forgiveness for what you've been doing for decades. I'll need to see many, many broken and contrite hearts and a lot of groveling before I ever consider voting for a Republican again during my lifetime.

I'll be amazed if that happens, though. We'll be lucky if we hear an "oopsie, my bad, let's not dwell on the past let's just move on" from a frightened born-again moderate about to lose his job.
 
2013-02-11 05:58:27 PM  

phaseolus: Those ideas should include changing the way government works, such as restrictions on campaign spending, limiting congressional terms, requiring nonpartisan redistricting, and taking on banks deemed too big to fail, Huntsman said.

Oh god yes. I hope he keeps banging these drums and I really hope he's successful moving political discourse in this direction. I'm convinced that three of these ideas are excellent ones and while I'm skeptical that term limits are some sort of panacaea I'm open to hearing further discussion...


I was surprised by a recent editorial by George Will that recommended breaking up banks that were "Too Big to Fail". Though I couldn't be entirely sure he wasn't just being sarcastic.
 
2013-02-11 06:08:17 PM  
He's saying Karl Rove's ideas are outdated and obsolete!



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2013-02-11 06:14:59 PM  

phaseolus: Those ideas should include changing the way government works, such as restrictions on campaign spending, limiting congressional terms, requiring nonpartisan redistricting, and taking on banks deemed too big to fail, Huntsman said.


3 out of 4 of those are actually good ideas. Has he been curbstomped by the party yet?
 
2013-02-11 06:20:35 PM  

Evil High Priest: 3 out of 4 of those are actually good ideas. Has he been curbstomped by the party yet?


to be fair, he was running on those ideas in the primary, which is why he failed, probably.

/what was the one that isn't a good idea?
 
2013-02-11 06:23:08 PM  

dallylamma: He's saying Karl Rove's ideas are outdated and obsolete!


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2013-02-11 06:50:07 PM  

somedude210: Evil High Priest: 3 out of 4 of those are actually good ideas. Has he been curbstomped by the party yet?

to be fair, he was running on those ideas in the primary, which is why he failed, probably.

/what was the one that isn't a good idea?


Term limits. It's one that sounds good, but really it would just make matters even worse.
 
2013-02-11 06:57:25 PM  

Evil High Priest: Term limits. It's one that sounds good, but really it would just make matters even worse.


true. but wouldn't, in theory, term limits not be necessary for the presidency either? What makes legislators so special?
 
2013-02-11 07:36:51 PM  
The party of Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower and Ronald Reagan has "a whole vast literature of things we've done to shape this country into what it is today," Huntsman said.

Yeah, but all those guys are way too liberal to be a Republican these days.
 
2013-02-11 07:43:14 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: The party of Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt, Dwight Eisenhower and Ronald Reagan has "a whole vast literature of things we've done to shape this country into what it is today," Huntsman said.

Yeah, but all those guys are way too liberal to be a Republican these days.


All but Reagan are too far to the left to be a Democrat these days.
 
2013-02-11 07:58:04 PM  

Evil High Priest: somedude210: Evil High Priest: 3 out of 4 of those are actually good ideas. Has he been curbstomped by the party yet?

to be fair, he was running on those ideas in the primary, which is why he failed, probably.

/what was the one that isn't a good idea?

Term limits. It's one that sounds good, but really it would just make matters even worse.


Yeah, I can't really reach a decision on that. I'd give Clinton a 3rd term if given the choice, but McCain has been my Senator since I was in 6th grade. I'm almost 40 years old, FFS. His predecessor, Barry Goldwater was a senator for most of my dad's life. FIVE TERMS! We made a presidential term limit in the 30s. I don't know why we don't have a congressional one.
 
2013-02-11 08:02:04 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: Yeah, I can't really reach a decision on that. I'd give Clinton a 3rd term if given the choice, but McCain has been my Senator since I was in 6th grade. I'm almost 40 years old, FFS. His predecessor, Barry Goldwater was a senator for most of my dad's life. FIVE TERMS! We made a presidential term limit in the 30s. I don't know why we don't have a congressional one.


I believe Clinton would've gotten a 3rd term without limits but the congress critters, governors, and the house of representin' need to be limited IMHO; I think they are more worried about the next election than they are about getting actual important shiat done.
 
2013-02-11 08:19:09 PM  
You want some credibility, lose the R in front of your name, Hunsty.
 
2013-02-11 08:54:45 PM  
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2013-02-11 09:15:48 PM  
Huntsman, who is as liberal as any Democrat, is right on this one.  Rove is yesterdays news...and just rallies up the conservative base against the same Liberals Rove wants to lead the GOP.   Huntsman is probably aware of this.

Huntsman's daughter on HuffPoLive is hot, also
 
2013-02-11 10:23:50 PM  

DancingElkCondor: Huntsman, who is as liberal as any Democrat, is right on this one.  Rove is yesterdays news...and just rallies up the conservative base against the same Liberals Rove wants to lead the GOP.   Huntsman is probably aware of this.

Huntsman's daughter on HuffPoLive is hot, also


As long as Rove still controls the purse strings over at Crossroad etc he's still a player, unfortunately.
 
2013-02-11 10:56:16 PM  
"Politics isn't going to win the elections for us. It's not about people. It's about ideas. And the ideas are going to drive people to victory."
Those ideas should include changing the way government works, such as restrictions on campaign spending, limiting congressional terms, requiring nonpartisan redistricting, and taking on banks deemed too big to fail, Huntsman said.


Forget ideas - it's about actions.  Make some actual progress on one or more of those issues, then talk.  Too much in politics is all rhetoric and no action to back any of it up.
 
2013-02-11 11:10:42 PM  

Rwa2play: antidisestablishmentarianism: Oh my god, it's like he has half a brain and some sort of moral compass. This is why he lost in the primaries.

He'd convince me a lot more if he became and Independent and ran as one.


This. He is entirely too intelligent to be associated with the republican party.
 
2013-02-11 11:26:34 PM  

DancingElkCondor: Huntsman, who is as liberal as any Democrat, is right on this one.  Rove is yesterdays news...and just rallies up the conservative base against the same Liberals Rove wants to lead the GOP.   Huntsman is probably aware of this.


Ha. Uh, no. He's just not completely batshiat insane is all. Refreshing for a republican, I know!
 
2013-02-11 11:31:53 PM  
Ok, I take it back. He is pretty much a modern Democrat.
http://www.ontheissues.org/Jon_Huntsman.htm

I wonder why he hasn't abandoned his batshiat crazy party?
 
2013-02-12 02:42:04 AM  
The Huntsman is needed?  Sound the Horn of Urgency!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73Wb14NZ01E
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2013-02-12 06:34:04 AM  

somedude210: Evil High Priest: Term limits. It's one that sounds good, but really it would just make matters even worse.

true. but wouldn't, in theory, term limits not be necessary for the presidency either? What makes legislators so special?


Term limits on the Presidency aren't a good idea either, but the President is very public, so can't afford to abuse the position too much because it hurts his party. Less visible positions having term limits would just increase the abuse at their end of their terms, and as it became normal to do so, it would barely even be commented on and just seen as partisan hackery to even complain about the abuse (see gerrymandering and lobbying for how unethical behaviour becomes normalized and expected if it becomes widespread).
 
2013-02-12 07:36:51 AM  

Evil High Priest: DancingElkCondor: Huntsman, who is as liberal as any Democrat, is right on this one.  Rove is yesterdays news...and just rallies up the conservative base against the same Liberals Rove wants to lead the GOP.   Huntsman is probably aware of this.

Ha. Uh, no. He's just not completely batshiat insane is all. Refreshing for a republican, I know!


Not being batshiat insane is enough to qualifiy people as DemocRat libby-lib-libs or at least RINOs to Repubs these days.
 
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2013-02-12 03:22:29 PM  

Rwa2play: antidisestablishmentarianism: Oh my god, it's like he has half a brain and some sort of moral compass. This is why he lost in the primaries.

He'd convince me a lot more if he became and Independent and ran as one.


Why?

Let's put aside the partisan "my team vs your team" bickering for a second. The Republican party  in theory stands for limited government, personal freedoms, and entrepreneurship. Now  in practice it stands for the opposite -- Big Government, personal surveillance, and crony capitalism. But being a Republican doesn't make someone a bad person, or a stupid person, or any of that. That's really belittling. There are plenty of Republicans either in office or running for office that want to align the practice with the theory. Some of them ran under the Tea Party banner, before it was co-opted by the establishment. That's really the problem: the Republican establishment. How this gets changed is good candidates winning primaries and elections.

The reason Huntsman (and everybody else who wasn't Romney, for that matter) lost the primaries is because Romney was the establishment pick, and it fulfilled the media narrative. The media demanded a story about a race between Obama and a rich establishment white guy -- if you don't believe me, go look up youtube videos from before the Republican primaries where talking heads on every channel from Fox to MSNBC had already began to treat Romney as the "real" the winner.

The truth is, part of the problem is voters have been fooled into the "the other side is evil" meme, and nominees have become basically caricatures -- mascots if you will -- for each team.
 
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