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2013-02-11 07:45:40 PM

thebaconmaster: Blame Canada budy


I'm not your buddy, friend.
 
2013-02-11 07:48:47 PM

shortymac: Anyone needing Cheese Curds, here's a recipe, you need to buy cultures but other than that it's fairly simple:

http://www.cheesemaking.com/Recipe_CheeseCurds.html

Even in Ontario it's a bit of a pain to find cheese curds and they can be expensive. Damn Quebecois eat them up.


You come into Wisconsin and they're around every corner. We've got a nice little cheese pantry in my neighborhood with all sorts of the good stuff (not that you see any curds on the website, but they're in the store). There are similar pantries all over the state, to say nothing of the curds available in pretty much any dairy section in any grocery store.
 
2013-02-11 07:49:44 PM
www.kcet.org
Jesús Salvador Treviño

They should get this guy. He's non-european, he directed a sci-fi TV episode about cosmic prophecy fulfillment, and how could they not let him keep his own name?
 
2013-02-11 07:49:46 PM
According to Malachi Martin, the next pope will be an antipope,  Haven't seen one of those since Felix V.
 
2013-02-11 07:51:21 PM

brantgoose: Don't be surprised if a dark horse is elected Pope. Or a red, white, or yellow horse. We've only got a couple of Popes left in Saint Malachy's list, although he may have missed a few. The last Pope is supposed to be a Peter, just like the first one. Maybe he'll be Jewish.


The guy who is frontrunner (the only person ahead of this Canadian in the betting) is Cardinal Peter Turkson from Ghana.
 
2013-02-11 07:52:55 PM

StrikitRich: According to Malachi Martin, the next pope will be an antipope,  Haven't seen one of those since Felix V.


Oh, good. Don't worry, Vatican, the cure is on its way. We'll flush that Ratzingitis out of your system in no time.
 
2013-02-11 07:53:05 PM
pope pimpdawg worldstar xxx
 
2013-02-11 07:53:18 PM
i277.photobucket.com

One of these guys?
 
2013-02-11 07:54:22 PM

StrikitRich: According to Malachi Martin, the next pope will be an antipope,  Haven't seen one of those since Felix V.


Depends on how you define "antipope". There are several antipopes as it is now... all laying claim to the See of Rome, and really... all of them make Ol' Benny 16 look lke an all-around reasonable guy.
 
2013-02-11 07:55:38 PM
And Jesus said "Get behind me Satan" and lo, did he then jersey Lucifer, who in his arrogance had not worn tie downs.
 
2013-02-11 07:56:58 PM

Marine1: thebaconmaster: Blame Canada budy

I'm not your buddy, friend.


You're not my buddy, guy!
 
2013-02-11 07:57:22 PM
The fact that he doesn't seem to really want the job is probably the best sign he should get it.
 
2013-02-11 07:58:15 PM
They really need a younger, more vigorous guy to drag the Church back into the 19th century.
 
2013-02-11 07:58:19 PM
i1182.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-11 07:59:22 PM

Flappyhead: And Jesus said "Get behind me Satan" and lo, did he then jersey Lucifer, who in his arrogance had not worn tie downs.


Jesus saves! Rebound, Gretzky scores!
 
2013-02-11 07:59:43 PM

Digitalstrange: The fact that he doesn't seem to really want the job is probably the best sign he should get it.


Tried that with Celestine V. He ended up asking the King of Sicily what to do all the time, got denounced as a pawn, resigned 5 months afterwards, and his successor threw him into a dungeon to die as part of a display of power.

Good times were had by all.
 
2013-02-11 08:01:07 PM

Fano: Flappyhead: And Jesus said "Get behind me Satan" and lo, did he then jersey Lucifer, who in his arrogance had not worn tie downs.

Jesus saves! Rebound, Gretzky scores!


I would have also accepted Esposito, Ciccarelli and Robitaille.
 
2013-02-11 08:01:29 PM
I hope it's Arinze. If only because the idea of a black pope will really, really disturb the minds of a lot of old white people.


Also, because even though he has terrible views on women and gay people, he believes priests should live humble lives and serve the poor. Which is a huge improvement over the last guy who had terrible views on women, gay people, AND poor people.
 
2013-02-11 08:03:54 PM

reillan: brantgoose: Don't be surprised if a dark horse is elected Pope. Or a red, white, or yellow horse. We've only got a couple of Popes left in Saint Malachy's list, although he may have missed a few. The last Pope is supposed to be a Peter, just like the first one. Maybe he'll be Jewish.

The guy who is frontrunner (the only person ahead of this Canadian in the betting) is Cardinal Peter Turkson from Ghana.


The Canadian led all day, not sure where this Ghana fella came from all of a sudden--he wasn't even top 3 in the UK bookies' lists this morning.
 
2013-02-11 08:04:59 PM

Supes: Gosling: Huron77: The next pope will be an Obama recess appointment...

If it's Arinze, my God, the derp we're going to hear.

Though realistically, the papacy has followed the following nationality:

217- Italy
17- France
13- Greece
8- Germany
6- Syria
3- Indeterminate locations in Roman Africa (along the Mediterranean, most likely Algeria, Tunisia or Libya)
2- Portugal
2- Spain
1- Netherlands
1- Palestine
1- Poland
1- United Kingdom

Count on it staying in Europe.

The trend is towards more worldliness though. 80%+ of the popes have been Italian, but neither of the past 2 have been Italian. I actually expect them to leave Europe for this selection. Lots of pressure for the Cardinals to leave their little European bubble.

Anyone have guesses for the papal name?


Petrus Romanus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes
 
2013-02-11 08:05:14 PM
Too bad the vote doesn't use an electoral college or something like that... wait... what color is that smoke again?
 
2013-02-11 08:07:21 PM
This is the last pope they ever get, so it had better be a good one.
 
2013-02-11 08:08:31 PM

Digitalstrange: The fact that he doesn't seem to really want the job is probably the best sign he should get it.


Benedict never wanted to be elected. The pattern is, after a long papacy, they pick a "transitional pope" that won't be around forever. The idea being, they find a good candidate for pope during the lifetime of the transitional pope. In a transitional pope, they don't want a revolutionary; they want a guy that's going to stay the course.

/ despite a lot of flak about clothes, nazis and coverups; Benedict isn't even close to the worst pope ever. He's always said that he'd rather go back to being a regular priest than go on popeing

// popeing ain't easy yo
 
2013-02-11 08:10:16 PM

iheartscotch: Marine1: thebaconmaster: Blame Canada budy

I'm not your buddy, friend.

You're not my buddy, guy!


HE'S NOT YOUR GUY, BUDDY!
 
2013-02-11 08:10:49 PM

Genevieve Marie: I hope it's Arinze. If only because the idea of a black pope will really, really disturb the minds of a lot of old white people.


Also, because even though he has terrible views on women and gay people, he believes priests should live humble lives and serve the poor. Which is a huge improvement over the last guy who had terrible views on women, gay people, AND poor people.


Wouldn't be surprised that the Nigerian has some crappy views on women.

You know. Considering.how 'nigeria baby factory' returns 1.3 million Google results, populated with stories like this.
 
2013-02-11 08:12:18 PM
if that clown can become Pope
then i can become a bishop
 
2013-02-11 08:13:02 PM
Take off, Heathen!
 
2013-02-11 08:14:05 PM
Imagine if he was french Canadien...

POPE PIERRE CANNOT SMOKE IN ZEE CHURCH?! TABERNAQUE! IL LUI A POGNÉ LES BOULES!!!!
 
2013-02-11 08:15:20 PM
Nope. No f-ing way.
 
2013-02-11 08:16:45 PM

puckrock2000: Really? The Italians haven't had a Pope in 35 years; do you think they're gonna let a third non-Italian in a row get elected?


Are they going to retroactively drug test JP and Emperor Palpatine?
 
2013-02-11 08:27:03 PM
LMAO! A French Canadian pope Is just what the Catholics need. He'll fark things up in no time.
As for a name: Jean Paul D'pope
 
2013-02-11 08:29:26 PM

lolpix: It's weird that they put such elderly people in these positions of power. A person starts to fall out of sync with society as the years go on. Which isn't necessarily terrible, but I don't know that you should be running the show after a late age.


As a bonus, the older he is the sooner he croaks, the sooner they can replace him if he does something stupid. And by selecting a Canadien you know he is going to croak the first time he talks.

frestcrallen: lolpix: It's weird that they put such elderly people in these positions of power. A person starts to fall out of sync with society as the years go on. Which isn't necessarily terrible, but I don't know that you should be running the show after a late age.

Don't get me started on the Canadian Senate.


What, that is where we put old people so they have no say in actually running anything.

puckrock2000: Really? The Italians haven't had a Pope in 35 years; do you think they're gonna let a third non-Italian in a row get elected?


A couple of reasons that isn't the case: Politics and wanting to reinforce the religion elsewhere will push for a pope from outside Italy, this will particularly lead to a push for someone from Africa or Latin America, the two largest strongholds of the church (news stories about Oullet are sure to mention his time in South America). Next, historically most of the electors were Italian, but that is no longer the case as a greater proportion of the Church moves away from Europe (and the high ranking church members are more local  than in the past), which along with modern transportation has put more foreigners working with the in the church in Rome and allowing cardinals from all over the world to quickly and easily get to Rome for the election. So, while Italians are the largest group of electors, they are far from the majority they used to have, with just 28 of 118 electors and requiring 79 for election.
I wouldn't rule it out, but there in't any big force to make them pick an Italian.
 
2013-02-11 08:31:51 PM
FTFA: News of Pope Benedict's surprise retirement rekindled speculation that high-ranking Canadian Marc Cardinal Ouellet could be named the first-ever pope from the Western Hemisphere.

Nope.  There have been at least four popes from the Western Hemisphere

Pope Damasus I
Pope John XXI
Pope Adrian IV
Pope Alexander VI

There are probably a couple more.
 
2013-02-11 08:38:49 PM

Marine1: iheartscotch: Marine1: thebaconmaster: Blame Canada budy

I'm not your buddy, friend.

You're not my buddy, guy!

HE'S NOT YOUR GUY, BUDDY!


I'm not your buddy, pal.
 
2013-02-11 08:40:11 PM

Gosling: Huron77: The next pope will be an Obama recess appointment...

If it's Arinze, my God, the derp we're going to hear.

Though realistically, the papacy has followed the following nationality:

217- Italy
17- France
13- Greece
8- Germany
6- Syria
3- Indeterminate locations in Roman Africa (along the Mediterranean, most likely Algeria, Tunisia or Libya)
2- Portugal
2- Spain
1- Netherlands
1- Palestine
1- Poland
1- United Kingdom

Count on it staying in Europe.


The problem is that the Catholic Church, the College of Cardinals, the Papacy, and the Conclave are very different from what they were 100 years ago, let alone 500. Such history is meaningless. In the past the conclave was full of Italians and the Pope was the monarch of a large portion of Italy. Neither is the case any more.
 
2013-02-11 08:41:01 PM

aerojockey: FTFA: News of Pope Benedict's surprise retirement rekindled speculation that high-ranking Canadian Marc Cardinal Ouellet could be named the first-ever pope from the Western Hemisphere.

Nope.  There have been at least four popes from the Western Hemisphere

Pope Damasus I
Pope John XXI
Pope Adrian IV
Pope Alexander VI

There are probably a couple more.


Do you know the definition of "Western Hemisphere" ?  I'm guessing no.
 
2013-02-11 08:41:42 PM
i1164.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-11 08:43:47 PM
Strikitrich According to Malachi Martin, the next pope will be an antipope,  Haven't seen one of those since Felix V.


That was a very entertaining Art Bell interview.
 
2013-02-11 08:45:00 PM

OgreMagi: Do you know the definition of "Western Hemisphere" ? I'm guessing no.


Yep.
 
2013-02-11 08:48:09 PM
I haven't filled in the middle steps from his father, Pierre, and his mother, Graziella Michaud, but Marc-Armand Ouellet is descended from François Ouellet, who was a tax-farmer of the five man tax-farms of France, basically the Finance Minister of France (in other words, a very, very rich man). It's a mystery why his son, René, would immigrate to America to become a simple farmer unless there is some error in the link. René worked under a number of assumed names so he might have been a bit of con artist or something although everybody changed their names quite freely in those days, picking up surnames or assuming a new name when they became a soldier or what not. He was apparently charged with murder shortly after the death of his first wife, but got off and went on to father eight more children by a second wife.

This René Ouellet(te) dit Auclair (also spelled Houalet) is my seventh great grandfather.

The Ouellet-te Family Association website names some notable family members, including the Cardinal, an Arch-Bishop (Gilles), and an American-born Bishop (André, born in Salam, MA). About par for the course in a big religious Catholic family, I'd say. I mean a really big one, capable of raising an army of military age men or manning a small national church.

If he becomes Pope, there will be a lot of happy and proud Roman Catholics in the USA and Canada to claim him as their very own Papal Collectible. He could out rank a Kennedy in the genealogical league tables. Well, almost. Maybe Frank Sinatra.
 
2013-02-11 08:50:51 PM

OgreMagi: aerojockey: FTFA: News of Pope Benedict's surprise retirement rekindled speculation that high-ranking Canadian Marc Cardinal Ouellet could be named the first-ever pope from the Western Hemisphere.

Nope.  There have been at least four popes from the Western Hemisphere

Pope Damasus I
Pope John XXI
Pope Adrian IV
Pope Alexander VI

There are probably a couple more.

Do you know the definition of "Western Hemisphere" ?  I'm guessing no.


I think he means "Western Europe". I know that Pope Adrian IV was English without looking at Wikipedia.
 
2013-02-11 08:53:23 PM

OgreMagi: Do you know the definition of "Western Hemisphere" ?  I'm guessing no.


The half of the world West of the Greenwich meridian extending to the 180 degree meridian, including all of Ireland, Scotland, and Purtugal, the vast majority of Spain and England, and a significant chunk of France. As well as a large swatch of northwest Africa and a bit of Russia as well as all of the Americas and a bunch of islands.

Apparently you don't, though.
 
2013-02-11 08:54:24 PM

brantgoose: I think he means "Western Europe". I know that Pope Adrian IV was English without looking at Wikipedia.


I think someone's being pedantic, defining "Western Hemisphere" as anything West of Greenwich.
 
2013-02-11 08:56:38 PM

brantgoose: I think he means "Western Europe". I know that Pope Adrian IV was English without looking at Wikipedia.


He was English, from an area West of London. The first two were from modern Portugal, and the last from Spain (and not the north eastern tip). So, all from the western hemisphere.
 
2013-02-11 08:58:05 PM

semiotix: brantgoose: I wonder if the current Pope gets to vote? They don't often have a live Pope when the next one is elected. He could still be a Cardinal unless he resigns that office as well.

I thought so too, but according to the papal scholars over at slate.com, one leaves the College of Cardinals in order to become pope.

Even if he were a cardinal, he's over the maximum conclave voting age. Once you turn 80, they don't give your wrinkly ass a say anymore.


Probably because they don't want them dying in the conclave because there's no way to get them out before the next Pope is elected. The stove used to send the message that a Pope is elected is too small to cremate a Cardinal and it would just send the wrong message. In the past, Cardinals have died in lengthy Conclaves and they had to stack the bodies at the back of the room. Bad enough to be put on a bread and water diet if the vote runs into too many ballots.

Thanks for clearing up my questions. I've been busy with the genealogical side of things.
 
2013-02-11 09:01:25 PM
I just did a GIS for "Bacon Pope." It was a lot more disturbing than I expected.
 
2013-02-11 09:03:39 PM

brantgoose: Bad enough to be put on a bread and water diet if the vote runs into too many ballots.


Well, the two problems solve each other.
 
2013-02-11 09:03:58 PM

iheartscotch: Digitalstrange: The fact that he doesn't seem to really want the job is probably the best sign he should get it.

Benedict never wanted to be elected. The pattern is, after a long papacy, they pick a "transitional pope" that won't be around forever. The idea being, they find a good candidate for pope during the lifetime of the transitional pope. In a transitional pope, they don't want a revolutionary; they want a guy that's going to stay the course.

/ despite a lot of flak about clothes, nazis and coverups; Benedict isn't even close to the worst pope ever. He's always said that he'd rather go back to being a regular priest than go on popeing

// popeing ain't easy yo



It is if you keep your Popehand strong
 
2013-02-11 09:07:56 PM
Well if its Peter of Rome, say your prayers
 
2013-02-11 09:08:11 PM
Pope Bubbles I
 
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