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2013-02-11 02:38:07 PM  
President Madagascar now in process of shutting... down... everything.
 
2013-02-11 03:01:17 PM  
My mom's health department has been dealing with this for 3 years, submitter. It's already here.
 
2013-02-11 05:07:42 PM  
3.bp.blogspot.com

Why Johnny Ringo. You look like someone just walked over your grave.
 
2013-02-11 05:28:43 PM  
Time to bring back the sanatoriums.
 
2013-02-11 05:59:16 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: My mom's health department has been dealing with this for 3 years, submitter. It's already here.


Going to say it's been here for a long time.

XDR-MDR TB is one of the few reasons in a modern age someone can get an involuntary quarantine order placed upon them by a court.
 
2013-02-11 06:02:37 PM  
Hey uh.

Maybe we start treating antibacterial misuse as mass murder.

Because it is.
 
2013-02-11 06:05:41 PM  

BronyMedic: ecmoRandomNumbers: My mom's health department has been dealing with this for 3 years, submitter. It's already here.

Going to say it's been here for a long time.

XDR-MDR TB is one of the few reasons in a modern age someone can get an involuntary quarantine order placed upon them by a court.


And medical science hasn't created any fundamentally new antibiotics in decades.  It's why so many viruses are adapting to basically everything, on top of bad treatment regimens and failures to finish taking full doses.
 
2013-02-11 06:09:20 PM  
This is why I don't wash my hands with soap when I pee.  I will outlive you all.
 
2013-02-11 06:09:29 PM  
Baby, can you dig your man?
 
2013-02-11 06:09:39 PM  
This article plus the news of Maker's Mark lowering its proof to 84% are clearly signs of the end times!
 
2013-02-11 06:09:55 PM  

GAT_00: BronyMedic: ecmoRandomNumbers: My mom's health department has been dealing with this for 3 years, submitter. It's already here.

Going to say it's been here for a long time.

XDR-MDR TB is one of the few reasons in a modern age someone can get an involuntary quarantine order placed upon them by a court.

And medical science hasn't created any fundamentally new antibiotics in decades.  It's why so many viruses are adapting to basically everything, on top of bad treatment regimens and failures to finish taking full doses.


Oh please regale us with your knowledge.
 
2013-02-11 06:13:37 PM  

GAT_00: And medical science hasn't created any fundamentally new antibiotics in decades.  It's why so many viruses are adapting to basically everything, on top of bad treatment regimens and failures to finish taking full doses.


www.theappleclan.com
 
2013-02-11 06:14:46 PM  
New opportunities for the brave and adventurous.
 
2013-02-11 06:14:52 PM  
You're no daisy, you're no daisy at all.
 
2013-02-11 06:15:12 PM  

Yogimus: GAT_00: BronyMedic: ecmoRandomNumbers: My mom's health department has been dealing with this for 3 years, submitter. It's already here.

Going to say it's been here for a long time.

XDR-MDR TB is one of the few reasons in a modern age someone can get an involuntary quarantine order placed upon them by a court.

And medical science hasn't created any fundamentally new antibiotics in decades.  It's why so many viruses are adapting to basically everything, on top of bad treatment regimens and failures to finish taking full doses.

Oh please regale us with your knowledge.


LOLs
 
2013-02-11 06:15:37 PM  

GAT_00: And medical science hasn't created any fundamentally new antibiotics in decades.  It's why so many viruses are adapting to basically everything, on top of bad treatment regimens and failures to finish taking full doses.


Oh wow. That's... That's something special.
 
2013-02-11 06:16:32 PM  

Yogimus: GAT_00: BronyMedic: ecmoRandomNumbers: My mom's health department has been dealing with this for 3 years, submitter. It's already here.

Going to say it's been here for a long time.

XDR-MDR TB is one of the few reasons in a modern age someone can get an involuntary quarantine order placed upon them by a court.

And medical science hasn't created any fundamentally new antibiotics in decades.  It's why so many viruses are adapting to basically everything, on top of bad treatment regimens and failures to finish taking full doses.

Oh please regale us with your knowledge.


I'm fixing popcorn in my reverse airflow sterile germicule free condo, would you like some for this thread?
 
2013-02-11 06:16:42 PM  
But by all means, let's keep ignoring the developing nations where these diseases are developing. Let's keep allowing their antibiotic supplies to be cut off by lack of funding or political strife. That will never come back and bite us in the ass. And only private industry should be developing pills; that way we won't develop new, nonprofitable antibiotics in lieu of more psychotropics for compulsive shopping and other first world problems.
 
2013-02-11 06:16:56 PM  
Sometimes I wonder if I'll see a real deal plague in my lifetime.
/scary shiat
 
2013-02-11 06:16:59 PM  
Hey Lunger!
 
2013-02-11 06:17:18 PM  
I'm your huckleberry
 
MFK
2013-02-11 06:18:27 PM  
please. There's no profit margin in treating common killer diseases. All of big pharma's R&D has been sunk into "treatments" instead of "cures" anyway. You "cure" a patient, and you'll never see them again, but if you "treat" a disease, well... you've got yourself a customer who is totally dependent on your wares.
 
2013-02-11 06:19:55 PM  
Pig pile on GAT_00!

Yes, that was pretty stupid, even for you.
 
2013-02-11 06:19:58 PM  

MFK: please. There's no profit margin in treating common killer diseases. All of big pharma's R&D has been sunk into "treatments" instead of "cures" anyway. You "cure" a patient, and you'll never see them again, but if you "treat" a disease, well... you've got yourself a customer who is totally dependent on your wares.


You missed your turnoff to NaturalNews.com. Since you're willing to demonstrate your obvious ignorance of how difficult TB is to treat, or how easy it is to garner resistance to the antibiotics used to treat it combined with poor regiment compliance by patients,  we're just going to point and laugh at you instead.
 
2013-02-11 06:20:21 PM  

MFK: to "treatments" instead of "cures" anyway. You "cure" a patient, and you'll never see them again, but if you "treat" a disease, well... you've got yourself a customer who is totally de


^ and then comes this guy.
 
2013-02-11 06:21:13 PM  
...scribbles on bucket list, "Do... not... go... to... South Africa... ever..."
 
2013-02-11 06:21:15 PM  

MFK: please. There's no profit margin in treating common killer diseases. All of big pharma's R&D has been sunk into "treatments" instead of "cures" anyway. You "cure" a patient, and you'll never see them again, but if you "treat" a disease, well... you've got yourself a customer who is totally dependent on your wares.


Wait, is your alt the word for "a priest's whore?"
 
2013-02-11 06:21:17 PM  
...And a hearty FU to all those morons who've used anti-biotics when they didn't need to.

/should never have been available over the counter, anywhere
//grumble
 
2013-02-11 06:21:25 PM  

Moonfisher: But by all means, let's keep ignoring the developing nations where these diseases are developing. Let's keep allowing their antibiotic supplies to be cut off by lack of funding or political strife. That will never come back and bite us in the ass. And only private industry should be developing pills; that way we won't develop new, nonprofitable antibiotics in lieu of more psychotropics for compulsive shopping and other first world problems.


The problem is not that they can't get antibiotics. The problem is that there is poor compliance with TB antibiotic therapy, which allows drug resistance to form. TB is not something you take a two week course of antibiotics for, and it's not a big deal if you stop at day 8 instead of day 10. It's a six month to a year course of antibiotics, and Mycobacterium Tuberculosis rapidly develops resistance to antibiotics when taken improperly.
 
2013-02-11 06:21:43 PM  

BumpInTheNight: This is why I don't wash my hands with soap when I pee.  I will outlive you all.


Everyone knows to pee directly on your hands. Right?
 
2013-02-11 06:23:10 PM  

GAT_00: BronyMedic: ecmoRandomNumbers: My mom's health department has been dealing with this for 3 years, submitter. It's already here.

Going to say it's been here for a long time.

XDR-MDR TB is one of the few reasons in a modern age someone can get an involuntary quarantine order placed upon them by a court.

And medical science hasn't created any fundamentally new antibiotics in decades.  It's why so many viruses are adapting to basically everything, on top of bad treatment regimens and failures to finish taking full doses.


?
 
2013-02-11 06:23:14 PM  
oh whatever, it's just a passing phage...
 
2013-02-11 06:23:45 PM  
So many songs to be sung, subby.
 
2013-02-11 06:24:12 PM  
Has there been any work on phage therapy and TB? I don't know much about it but I remeber a few years back there was talk about using it on resistant MRSA
 
2013-02-11 06:24:21 PM  

BronyMedic: The problem is not that they can't get antibiotics. The problem is that there is poor compliance with TB antibiotic therapy, which allows drug resistance to form. TB is not something you take a two week course of antibiotics for, and it's not a big deal if you stop at day 8 instead of day 10. It's a six month to a year course of antibiotics, and Mycobacterium Tuberculosis rapidly develops resistance to antibiotics when taken improperly.


polymer release? in my subdermal?!... it's more common than you think!
 
2013-02-11 06:24:41 PM  
....totally untreatable tubercu-

cdn.uproxx.com
 
2013-02-11 06:27:01 PM  

BronyMedic: GAT_00: And medical science hasn't created any fundamentally new antibiotics in decades.  It's why so many viruses are adapting to basically everything, on top of bad treatment regimens and failures to finish taking full doses.

[www.theappleclan.com image 610x250]


Yes, I misused a word.  My bad.
 
2013-02-11 06:27:40 PM  
upload.wikimedia.org

No??
 
2013-02-11 06:28:07 PM  

BumpInTheNight: This is why I don't wash my hands with soap when
I pee.  I will outlive you all.


It's harder than it sounds too.

I have a friend who is never sick and attributes it to never washing his hands after taking a leak or a crap.

At first I thought, "B.S.", but OTOH, knowing your fingers are teaming with bacteria is a good incentive to keep them the hell out of your mouth, nose, etc.
 
2013-02-11 06:28:44 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Hey uh.

Maybe we start treating antibacterial misuse as mass murder.

Because it is.


But I'm sick and need pills.
 
2013-02-11 06:28:46 PM  
Welp, it's been a good go.  See you all in hell, I'll be by the Faygo stand.
 
2013-02-11 06:29:37 PM  

GAT_00: BronyMedic: GAT_00: And medical science hasn't created any fundamentally new antibiotics in decades.  It's why so many viruses are adapting to basically everything, on top of bad treatment regimens and failures to finish taking full doses.

[www.theappleclan.com image 610x250]

Yes, I misused a word.  My bad.


To be fair, I sometimes think I'm one drunken post from a "Nixon, you dolt" moment.
 
2013-02-11 06:29:39 PM  
It's a reckoning.
 
2013-02-11 06:29:50 PM  

BronyMedic: Moonfisher: But by all means, let's keep ignoring the developing nations where these diseases are developing. Let's keep allowing their antibiotic supplies to be cut off by lack of funding or political strife. That will never come back and bite us in the ass. And only private industry should be developing pills; that way we won't develop new, nonprofitable antibiotics in lieu of more psychotropics for compulsive shopping and other first world problems.

The problem is not that they can't get antibiotics. The problem is that there is poor compliance with TB antibiotic therapy, which allows drug resistance to form. TB is not something you take a two week course of antibiotics for, and it's not a big deal if you stop at day 8 instead of day 10. It's a six month to a year course of antibiotics, and Mycobacterium Tuberculosis rapidly develops resistance to antibiotics when taken improperly.


In America, you are correct. In a developing nation, however, what you call noncompliance is a euphemism that shifts the blame to the patient when said patient lacks the agency to comply. Many of the poor and ill in these nations have to travel miles and miles to access a clinic, do not have access to clean water or proper nutr
 
2013-02-11 06:31:28 PM  

GAT_00: BronyMedic: GAT_00: And medical science hasn't created any fundamentally new antibiotics in decades.  It's why so many viruses are adapting to basically everything, on top of bad treatment regimens and failures to finish taking full doses.

[www.theappleclan.com image 610x250]

Yes, I misused a word.  My bad.


You didn't just misuse a word...

img209.imageshack.us
 
2013-02-11 06:32:56 PM  

Moonfisher: BronyMedic: Moonfisher: But by all means, let's keep ignoring the developing nations where these diseases are developing. Let's keep allowing their antibiotic supplies to be cut off by lack of funding or political strife. That will never come back and bite us in the ass. And only private industry should be developing pills; that way we won't develop new, nonprofitable antibiotics in lieu of more psychotropics for compulsive shopping and other first world problems.

The problem is not that they can't get antibiotics. The problem is that there is poor compliance with TB antibiotic therapy, which allows drug resistance to form. TB is not something you take a two week course of antibiotics for, and it's not a big deal if you stop at day 8 instead of day 10. It's a six month to a year course of antibiotics, and Mycobacterium Tuberculosis rapidly develops resistance to antibiotics when taken improperly.

In America, you are correct. In a developing nation, however, what you call noncompliance is a euphemism that shifts the blame to the patient when said patient lacks the agency to comply. Many of the poor and ill in these nations have to travel miles and miles to access a clinic, do not have access to clean water or proper nutr


Lol, kids ran into me and made me bump submit button. Anyway... They do not have access to clean water or proper nutrition and social/political upheaval can interrupt their supplies. I highly recommend Paul Farmer's "Infections and Inequalities" for some insight into how these things are developing and why they are so hard to treat.
 
2013-02-11 06:34:31 PM  

Moonfisher: BronyMedic: Moonfisher: But by all means, let's keep ignoring the developing nations where these diseases are developing. Let's keep allowing their antibiotic supplies to be cut off by lack of funding or political strife. That will never come back and bite us in the ass. And only private industry should be developing pills; that way we won't develop new, nonprofitable antibiotics in lieu of more psychotropics for compulsive shopping and other first world problems.

The problem is not that they can't get antibiotics. The problem is that there is poor compliance with TB antibiotic therapy, which allows drug resistance to form. TB is not something you take a two week course of antibiotics for, and it's not a big deal if you stop at day 8 instead of day 10. It's a six month to a year course of antibiotics, and Mycobacterium Tuberculosis rapidly develops resistance to antibiotics when taken improperly.

In America, you are correct. In a developing nation, however, what you call noncompliance is a euphemism that shifts the blame to the patient when said patient lacks the agency to comply. Many of the poor and ill in these nations have to travel miles and miles to access a clinic, do not have access to clean water or proper nutr


So. Let. Them. Die.  Or did we as humanity forget that purging is also a way to stop a disease?
 
2013-02-11 06:34:58 PM  

Moonfisher: I highly recommend Paul Farmer's "Infections and Inequalities" for some insight into how these things are developing and why they are so hard to treat.


I'll go look up the book, thanks!
 
2013-02-11 06:37:43 PM  

BronyMedic: GAT_00: BronyMedic: GAT_00: And medical science hasn't created any fundamentally new antibiotics in decades.  It's why so many viruses are adapting to basically everything, on top of bad treatment regimens and failures to finish taking full doses.

[www.theappleclan.com image 610x250]

Yes, I misused a word.  My bad.

You didn't just misuse a word...

[img209.imageshack.us image 400x256]


But you knew what I meant, you knew what I should have said.
 
2013-02-11 06:38:41 PM  

basemetal: Time to bring back the sanatoriums.


bossip.files.wordpress.com

/Not sure how it'll help, but there you go.
 
2013-02-11 06:38:50 PM  

basemetal: Time to bring back the sanatoriums.


upload.wikimedia.org
Dammit, Jim, I'm a failed Presidential candidate, not a doctor.
 
2013-02-11 06:41:27 PM  

stuhayes2010: But I'm sick and need pills.


vstatic.doldigital.net
Here, I have modified this tricorder to emit a transtachyon metabaryonic waveform pulse. You'll be cured instantly.

It is only logical for me to warn you, if you move you will be vaporized.
 
2013-02-11 06:42:30 PM  

Moonfisher: In America, you are correct. In a developing nation, however, what you call noncompliance is a euphemism that shifts the blame to the patient when said patient lacks the agency to comply. Many of the poor and ill in these nations have to travel miles and miles to access a clinic, do not have access to clean water or proper nutr


There is also the problem that any long term antibiotics will be sold of given to someone else as they appear to have a more urgent need of them.  So if your happen to be a mother with TB and your kid has an infected scratch, the kid gets the antibiotics (and the TB too!)
 
2013-02-11 06:42:34 PM  

BronyMedic: You didn't just misuse a word...


Reminds me of the whole "clip vs magazine" thing that we saw so much a while back.  GAT_00 can no longer have an opinion on medicine, bacteria, or disease.
 
2013-02-11 06:44:51 PM  
sucks. my grandmother in puerto rico died in the 50's from TB.
 
2013-02-11 06:45:11 PM  

GAT_00: BronyMedic: ecmoRandomNumbers: My mom's health department has been dealing with this for 3 years, submitter. It's already here.

Going to say it's been here for a long time.

XDR-MDR TB is one of the few reasons in a modern age someone can get an involuntary quarantine order placed upon them by a court.

And medical science hasn't created any fundamentally new antibiotics in decades.  It's why so many viruses are adapting to basically everything, on top of bad treatment regimens and failures to finish taking full doses.


Paging Doctor Morbo, paging Doctor Morbo
 
2013-02-11 06:45:17 PM  

KrispyKritter: BumpInTheNight: This is why I don't wash my hands with soap when I pee.  I will outlive you all.

Everyone knows to pee directly on your hands. Right?


Its nature's antiseptic!
 
2013-02-11 06:46:14 PM  
Like many bacterial diseases, tuberculosis has been evolving

HERESY!
 
2013-02-11 06:47:09 PM  

stevenboof: BronyMedic: You didn't just misuse a word...

Reminds me of the whole "clip vs magazine" thing that we saw so much a while back.  GAT_00 can no longer have an opinion on medicine, bacteria, or disease.


www.johnnythefool.com
 
2013-02-11 06:47:44 PM  

GAT_00: BronyMedic: GAT_00: BronyMedic: GAT_00: And medical science hasn't created any fundamentally new antibiotics in decades.  It's why so many viruses are adapting to basically everything, on top of bad treatment regimens and failures to finish taking full doses.

[www.theappleclan.com image 610x250]

Yes, I misused a word.  My bad.

You didn't just misuse a word...

[img209.imageshack.us image 400x256]

But you knew what I meant, you knew what I should have said.


There are mistakes and then there are mistakes.

There's sweeping your teamate with barrel of a painball gun in the heat of a match, and then there's pointing a loaded .50 cal turret at a school with children inside. Totally different orders of magnitude.
 
2013-02-11 06:49:20 PM  

Snarfangel: basemetal: Time to bring back the sanatoriums.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x278]
Dammit, Jim, I'm a failed Presidential candidate, not a doctor.


9 seconds buddy.

9 seconds.

/High-five anyway, for the near simul-post.
 
2013-02-11 06:50:50 PM  
I think I read about this in a Peter Watts novel.
 
2013-02-11 06:50:56 PM  
Okay, GAT_00's utter screw up aside, the future probably is going to call for selective or engineered viruses that love the bacterium we want to wage war on.

Of course, I can start the conspiracy theories already. "Virus-based-antibiotics are a known cause of various cancers and these new cures for bacterial infections is just a scheme to increase the incidence of cancer which they make more money treating". See, the treatment isn't even outta the labs and I already have the Alex Jones take on it.

/If I weren't trying to fight it I'd write it.
 
2013-02-11 06:51:02 PM  

GAT_00: BronyMedic: GAT_00: BronyMedic: GAT_00: And medical science hasn't created any fundamentally new antibiotics in decades.  It's why so many viruses are adapting to basically everything, on top of bad treatment regimens and failures to finish taking full doses.

[www.theappleclan.com image 610x250]

Yes, I misused a word.  My bad.

You didn't just misuse a word...

[img209.imageshack.us image 400x256]

But you knew what I meant, you knew what I should have said.


Now would be a good time to get a laugh, admit you screwed the pooch and move on.  Blame it on global warming or boss induced involuntary sobriety
 
2013-02-11 06:51:13 PM  

doglover: There's sweeping your teamate with barrel of a painball gun in the heat of a match, and then there's pointing a loaded .50 cal turret at a school with children inside. Totally different orders of magnitude.


You're assuming I accidentally shot James in the balls in the "heat of the match", and not because I found out he was hitting on my wife.
 
2013-02-11 06:51:47 PM  

iron de havilland: Snarfangel: basemetal: Time to bring back the sanatoriums.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x278]
Dammit, Jim, I'm a failed Presidential candidate, not a doctor.

9 seconds buddy.

9 seconds.

/High-five anyway, for the near simul-post.


There was Santorum everywhere. :D
 
2013-02-11 06:52:41 PM  

BronyMedic: doglover: There's sweeping your teamate with barrel of a painball gun in the heat of a match, and then there's pointing a loaded .50 cal turret at a school with children inside. Totally different orders of magnitude.

You're assuming I accidentally shot James in the balls in the "heat of the match", and not because I found out he was hitting on my wife.


In his defense, your wife DID make the first move.
 
2013-02-11 06:53:04 PM  

BronyMedic: doglover: There's sweeping your teamate with barrel of a painball gun in the heat of a match, and then there's pointing a loaded .50 cal turret at a school with children inside. Totally different orders of magnitude.

You're assuming I accidentally shot James in the balls in the "heat of the match", and not because I found out he was hitting on my wife.


I didn't say shoot. Just where the barrels are pointed.
 
2013-02-11 06:54:23 PM  

wildcardjack: Okay, GAT_00's utter screw up aside, the future probably is going to call for selective or engineered viruses that love the bacterium we want to wage war on.

Of course, I can start the conspiracy theories already. "Virus-based-antibiotics are a known cause of various cancers and these new cures for bacterial infections is just a scheme to increase the incidence of cancer which they make more money treating". See, the treatment isn't even outta the labs and I already have the Alex Jones take on it.

/If I weren't trying to fight it I'd write it.


Phage therapy was investigated in the USSR during the cold war, when antibiotics were not easy for the communists to come by. The problem with phages, however, is that each phage is specific to the bacterium which it attacks and kills, meaning that multiorganism infections, or unknown infections, would render it useless. So if you had a patient in sepsis or in a situation where time was critical, you're pretty much screwed. In addition, you have the problem of phages sometimes imparting factors which increase the virulence or lethality of bacteria as well. Take Enterohemorrhagic E. Coli - it requires a gene imparted by a phage before it produces the EH toxin. Then you have the problem of your patient's own immune system. Things like stomach acid, and the general density of white blood cells in the GI tract were designed to kill foreign antigens, and you risk provoking an immune response by bloodstream administration.
 
2013-02-11 07:01:21 PM  
Can't believe so many are sick in Tampa Bay.
 
2013-02-11 07:02:28 PM  

Deep Contact: Can't believe so many are sick in Tampa Bay.


Really? It's Florida. That's like God's waiting room.
 
2013-02-11 07:04:17 PM  

Yogimus: MFK: to "treatments" instead of "cures" anyway. You "cure" a patient, and you'll never see them again, but if you "treat" a disease, well... you've got yourself a customer who is totally de

^ and then comes this guy.


He's got a point, though.
 
2013-02-11 07:06:27 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Hey uh.

Maybe we start treating antibacterial misuse as mass murder.

Because it is.


Ok, can we deal with the anti vaxers in the same manner?
 
2013-02-11 07:06:56 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: GAT_00: BronyMedic: GAT_00: BronyMedic: GAT_00: And medical science hasn't created any fundamentally new antibiotics in decades.  It's why so many viruses are adapting to basically everything, on top of bad treatment regimens and failures to finish taking full doses.

[www.theappleclan.com image 610x250]

Yes, I misused a word.  My bad.

You didn't just misuse a word...

[img209.imageshack.us image 400x256]

But you knew what I meant, you knew what I should have said.

Now would be a good time to get a laugh, admit you screwed the pooch and move on.  Blame it on global warming or boss induced involuntary sobriety


I'm not pretending that I didn't screw up.  That would be stupid.
 
2013-02-11 07:10:20 PM  

angrymacface: Yogimus: MFK: to "treatments" instead of "cures" anyway. You "cure" a patient, and you'll never see them again, but if you "treat" a disease, well... you've got yourself a customer who is totally de

^ and then comes this guy.

He's got a point, though.


No, he doesn't.
 
2013-02-11 07:12:17 PM  

BronyMedic: angrymacface: Yogimus: MFK: to "treatments" instead of "cures" anyway. You "cure" a patient, and you'll never see them again, but if you "treat" a disease, well... you've got yourself a customer who is totally de

^ and then comes this guy.

He's got a point, though.

No, he doesn't.


He most certainly does.
 
2013-02-11 07:12:24 PM  
If raping a virgin cures AIDS, what will be the African cure for this TB?
 
2013-02-11 07:15:56 PM  
Growing up In Australia we never heard of TB. Nevarr. In fact, we got taught that it Australia had "defeated" it, so I'm not imagining this.

 
Now ya regularly hear about cases.

 
The re emergence of TB sorta, kinda, coincidentally started with the craze of letting shiateloads of African immigrants into the country.


But we better not discuss it. Feelings might get hurt.
 
2013-02-11 07:16:55 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: .

 boss induced involuntary sobriety


All kidding aside, I'm totally stealing this and plan to use it as often as possible
 
xcv
2013-02-11 07:17:17 PM  
~30 years ago when my mom was in med school the instructor told the students to get a look at TB cases while they were rotating through a clinic in rural Central America, but they'd 'never see a TB patient back in the US.'
 
2013-02-11 07:17:44 PM  

angrymacface: He most certainly does.


upload.wikimedia.org

No, he doesn't. It's an inane conspiracy theory passed around by people who like to sound intellectually superior to the masses of sheeple they regard everyone else as. In reality, it requires a complete suspension of knowledge in the human factor of any conspiracy theory, namely that no one is motivated by anything other than money, and that everyone's silence is able to be bought off. Even assuming the above two are true, it requires such human competence as for there to be no evidence, at all, of the conspiracy occuring, and no evidence of the supposed "cures" being suppressed.

In this case, most cases of TB are highly curable using either a single drug, or combination of drugs. However, M. Tuberculosis also RAPIDLY develops drug resistance when those drugs are taken improperly.

You shouldn't attribute conspiracy to what is explainable by evolution. You look like a dipshiat.
 
2013-02-11 07:17:51 PM  

Vectron: If raping a virgin cures AIDS, what will be the African cure for this TB?


Probably raping a virgin.

You're all missing the point here.  It's Africa.  Nobody has cared about Africa since Live Aid.
 
2013-02-11 07:17:59 PM  
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2013-02-11 07:18:13 PM  

BronyMedic: angrymacface: Yogimus: MFK: to "treatments" instead of "cures" anyway. You "cure" a patient, and you'll never see them again, but if you "treat" a disease, well... you've got yourself a customer who is totally de

^ and then comes this guy.

He's got a point, though.

No, he doesn't.

~
Fark's resident big mouth left wing moron is in da house!
 
2013-02-11 07:19:04 PM  
Isn't the goddamned nano technology supposed to be curing us ... of ... everything? Maybe I should start taking some personal responsibility for my girth instead of awaiting the nano fat eaters.
 
2013-02-11 07:20:39 PM  

Big Ramifications: Fark's resident big mouth left wing moron is in da house!


Your right wing tears are delicious.

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2013-02-11 07:21:03 PM  
TB ain't good, but it's not contagious enough to be a global killer. Europe lived with TB (consumption) for centuries with no cure or treatment.
 
2013-02-11 07:23:56 PM  

GAT_00: Smeggy Smurf: GAT_00: BronyMedic: GAT_00: BronyMedic: GAT_00: And medical science hasn't created any fundamentally new antibiotics in decades.  It's why so many viruses are adapting to basically everything, on top of bad treatment regimens and failures to finish taking full doses.

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Yes, I misused a word.  My bad.

You didn't just misuse a word...

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But you knew what I meant, you knew what I should have said.

Now would be a good time to get a laugh, admit you screwed the pooch and move on.  Blame it on global warming or boss induced involuntary sobriety

I'm not pretending that I didn't screw up.  That would be stupid.


Man, you had them going. You should have kept it up.

This thread has been another GAT classic. Nobody baits the hook with concentrated derp and derails a thread like you do. Since it is impossible to be 100% wrong 100% of the time I have decided that you are actually a genius who belongs in the club with greats like spentmiles and pocket_ninja. I salute you sir.
 
2013-02-11 07:24:33 PM  

Virtuoso80: TB ain't good, but it's not contagious enough to be a global killer. Europe lived with TB (consumption) for centuries with no cure or treatment.


Some of us don't long for the days of feudalism to return.
 
2013-02-11 07:25:38 PM  

umad: Man, you had them going. You should have kept it up.

This thread has been another GAT classic. Nobody baits the hook with concentrated derp and derails a thread like you do. Since it is impossible to be 100% wrong 100% of the time I have decided that you are actually a genius who belongs in the club with greats like spentmiles and pocket_ninja. I salute you sir.


And you're just nuts.  I just screwed up.  But please, continue your constructed narrative.
 
2013-02-11 07:26:41 PM  

angrymacface: Whatever. You're probably a paid shill. We know the truth and you people won't be able to hide it forever.


Riiiiiiiight. Well, I guess you can go that route when you have no other response that's possible.

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2013-02-11 07:27:42 PM  

TomD9938: BumpInTheNight: This is why I don't wash my hands with soap when
I pee.  I will outlive you all.

It's harder than it sounds too.

I have a friend who is never sick and attributes it to never washing his hands after taking a leak or a crap.

At first I thought, "B.S.", but OTOH, knowing your fingers are teaming with bacteria is a good incentive to keep them the hell out of your mouth, nose, etc.


Well, I wash my hands frequently and don't ever get sick.  I also have kids which are notorious for spreading germs.

Moral of the story, your friend is simply nasty and not doing himself any favors.
 
2013-02-11 07:27:55 PM  
Tuberculosis is a man-made virus. Everyone up to the President is at UNATCO's mercy as long as UNATCO controls the supply of Ambrosia.
 
2013-02-11 07:27:58 PM  

GAT_00: umad: Man, you had them going. You should have kept it up.

This thread has been another GAT classic. Nobody baits the hook with concentrated derp and derails a thread like you do. Since it is impossible to be 100% wrong 100% of the time I have decided that you are actually a genius who belongs in the club with greats like spentmiles and pocket_ninja. I salute you sir.

And you're just nuts.  I just screwed up.  But please, continue your constructed narrative.


You "screwed up" and started a shiatstorm. You are awesome at this. I'm being completely serious.
 
2013-02-11 07:28:07 PM  

Loki009: Has there been any work on phage therapy and TB? I don't know much about it but I remeber a few years back there was talk about using it on resistant MRSA

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2013-02-11 07:31:08 PM  

GAT_00: Virtuoso80: TB ain't good, but it's not contagious enough to be a global killer. Europe lived with TB (consumption) for centuries with no cure or treatment.

Some of us don't long for the days of feudalism to return.


But ergot poisoning gets you sooooo high. Yeah, you die as your limbs rot off snd it's treatable with basic sanitation and some pills. But soooo high.
 
2013-02-11 07:31:10 PM  
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2013-02-11 07:33:41 PM  

angrymacface: BronyMedic: angrymacface: Yogimus: MFK: to "treatments" instead of "cures" anyway. You "cure" a patient, and you'll never see them again, but if you "treat" a disease, well... you've got yourself a customer who is totally de

^ and then comes this guy.

He's got a point, though.

No, he doesn't.

He most certainly does.


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2013-02-11 07:34:20 PM  

GAT_00: d medical science hasn't created any fundamentally new antibiotics in decades. It's why so many viruses are adapting to basically everything, on top of bad treatment regimens and failures to finish taking full doses.


heh - you said antibiotics treating viruses.  That's funny.

But yeah, just lectured by dad the other day about this, when he offered to let me have some of his "left over" antibiotics to treat my arm after a bit of a mishap I had.  After questioning, turns out he's one of THEM who stop taking antibiotics once the problem "goes away" per his perspective.  Boo.  Told him that if he didn't think the doctor knew what they were talking about when they told him how many to take, then he shouldn't take the pills at all; take all or none, people.  Don't just take some of them.
 
2013-02-11 07:34:50 PM  
Quote from article: "which can't be said for some more innocuous bacteria that have developed drug resistances, such as gonorrhea.

Anyone imagine an explanation about giving their other half the clap containing the phrase: "but don't worry, it's innocuous."

Seriously whilst it's an African problem at present, it's just a hop, skip and a plane ride to the rest of the world.  I know because when I first came to the U.S. I did not have any type of TB.  Now I likely have latent TB, thanks to some tosser walking around coughing & hacking all over the place.

/ Thanking the Big Pharma gods, taking meds and the bug shouldn't harm me - so all will be well.
 
2013-02-11 07:37:42 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: stuhayes2010: But I'm sick and need pills.

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Here, I have modified this tricorder to emit a transtachyon metabaryonic waveform pulse. You'll be cured instantly.

It is only logical for me to warn you, if you move you will be vaporized.


That's got to be one of the strangest pick-up lines I've ever heard.
 
2013-02-11 07:39:18 PM  
FTFA, regarding side effects of treating drug-resistant TB: Stevens-Johnson syndrome in which layers of skin separate ...

OK don't google that. Look I warned you. Don't even click on the Wikipedia page.That clam-tongue will haunt your dreams forever.
 
2013-02-11 07:42:02 PM  

Egalitarian: OK don't google that.


Good advice, never google any condition involving the skin
 
2013-02-11 07:42:34 PM  
Meanwhile, they've created crops that are Roundup-resistant, and so now there are weeds that are Roundup-resistant.

So now they're creating crops that are Agent Orange-resistant and they're spraying crops with Agent Orange.
 
2013-02-11 07:43:36 PM  

Moonfisher: But by all means, let's keep ignoring the developing nations where these diseases are developing. Let's keep allowing their antibiotic supplies to be cut off by lack of funding or political strife. That will never come back and bite us in the ass. And only private industry should be developing pills; that way we won't develop new, nonprofitable antibiotics in lieu of more psychotropics for compulsive shopping and other first world problems.


how else are you supposed to develop new and interesting viruses, bacteria, and fungi to use i mean study?
 
2013-02-11 07:45:53 PM  

stappawho: Moral of the story, your friend is simply nasty and not doing himself any favors.


He works in education, has four kids of his own and for a time his wife ran day-care out of their house. He basically lives in a petri dish.

The strangest part is he has mild OCD and still isnt a hand-washer.
 
2013-02-11 07:50:50 PM  

KrispyKritter: BumpInTheNight: This is why I don't wash my hands with soap when I pee.  I will outlive you all.

Everyone knows to pee directly on your hands. Right?


Bah.  Amateurs.

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2013-02-11 07:52:57 PM  
Guess it's not a good time for Tampa Bay.
 
2013-02-11 07:55:43 PM  
something like 60% of the world's population has antibodies to TB, and a fairly small percentage get sick. Drug resistant TB will put us back where we were a hundred years ago, but it won't wipe us out.  The TB bacterium has been hanging around humanity like a screwed up relative probably since the first city was founded.
 
2013-02-11 08:07:32 PM  

Uncle Tractor: ...And a hearty FU to all those morons who've used anti-biotics when they didn't need to.

/should never have been available over the counter, anywhere
//grumble


Even worse is those who did need antibiotics but did not finish taking the full course - usually 2 weeks worth.
 
2013-02-11 08:08:31 PM  
And yet the population of India still exists
 
2013-02-11 08:09:21 PM  
Doctor: "We'll put you on a diet of flounder and pancakes."

Patient: "Will that cure me."

Doctor: "No, but that's all we'll be able to slide under the door."
 
2013-02-11 08:19:42 PM  

kg2095: Uncle Tractor: ...And a hearty FU to all those morons who've used anti-biotics when they didn't need to.

/should never have been available over the counter, anywhere
//grumble

Even worse is those who did need antibiotics but did not finish taking the full course - usually 2 weeks worth.


To be so sure of something so wrong...
 
2013-02-11 08:24:37 PM  

Fano: MFK: please. There's no profit margin in treating common killer diseases. All of big pharma's R&D has been sunk into "treatments" instead of "cures" anyway. You "cure" a patient, and you'll never see them again, but if you "treat" a disease, well... you've got yourself a customer who is totally dependent on your wares.

Wait, is your alt the word for "a priest's whore?"


Choirboy?
 
2013-02-11 08:24:58 PM  
regimen
1 a : a systematic plan (as of diet, therapy, or medication) especially when designed to improve and maintain the health of a patient
b : a regular course of action and especially of strenuous training

regiment
1 archaic : governmental rule
2 : a military unit consisting usually of a number of battalions

/that is all
 
2013-02-11 08:34:19 PM  

basemetal: Time to bring back the sanatoriums.


No.  Nothing's worse than Santorum.
 
2013-02-11 08:36:12 PM  

The Grinch: Baby, can you dig your man?


My life for you!
 
2013-02-11 08:37:47 PM  

basemetal: Time to bring back the sanatoriums.


Metallica sold out.  Its gone man, its gone.
 
2013-02-11 08:47:18 PM  
Meh, humans are pretty terrible.  Just desserts I guess.
 
2013-02-11 08:52:13 PM  
Lost Thought 00:   And yet the population of India still exists

Or pretty much any country in East Asia.  You haven't seen human population density, until you've visited over there.  Other than SARS killing a few dozen people at best, why hasn't there been any much nastier epidemic killing tens of hundreds of thousands of folks over there?

Actually, that would suck... got relatives there.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-11 09:02:24 PM  
"Doctors struggle with "totally untreatable" tuberculosis in South Africa."
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2013-02-11 09:04:02 PM  
ecx.images-amazon.com

/thread needs more [bacterial] culture
 
2013-02-11 09:04:18 PM  
Poor soul, you was just too high strung...
 
2013-02-11 09:09:44 PM  

Fano: GAT_00: BronyMedic: GAT_00: And medical science hasn't created any fundamentally new antibiotics in decades.  It's why so many viruses are adapting to basically everything, on top of bad treatment regimens and failures to finish taking full doses.

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Yes, I misused a word.  My bad.

To be fair, I sometimes think I'm one drunken post from a "Nixon, you dolt" moment.


I had mine Saturday night. That'll teach me to edit a sentence at 3 AM after wine...

/not
 
2013-02-11 09:10:09 PM  

SirEattonHogg: Lost Thought 00:   And yet the population of India still exists

Or pretty much any country in East Asia.  You haven't seen human population density, until you've visited over there.  Other than SARS killing a few dozen people at best, why hasn't there been any much nastier epidemic killing tens of hundreds of thousands of folks over there?

Actually, that would suck... got relatives there.


I also like the ability to purchase cheap goods manufactured there.  Stay healthy East Asia and keep the cost of my living down.
 
2013-02-11 09:17:28 PM  
I don't believe in evolution, so it'll be ok.
 
2013-02-11 09:19:42 PM  
Three years of painful skin delamination as a side effect of drug regimen? I think I'd rather take the sweet, sweet kiss of death.
 
2013-02-11 09:23:55 PM  

Macular Degenerate: Three years of painful skin delamination as a side effect of drug regimen? I think I'd rather take the sweet, sweet kiss of death.


SJS and TEN are pretty rare, I think the rate is like 1 in 1,000,000 Doses.

You're more likely to get struck by lightning, to be honest.
 
2013-02-11 09:29:17 PM  
Big Ramifications:Fark's resident big mouth left wing moron is in da house!

What are you talking about?  I hadn't even posted in this thread ONCE!
 
2013-02-11 09:32:08 PM  
I thought we killed the risk by getting rid of those syphilitic, tuberculin public pay phones?
 
2013-02-11 09:35:24 PM  

Yogimus: kg2095: Uncle Tractor: ...And a hearty FU to all those morons who've used anti-biotics when they didn't need to.

/should never have been available over the counter, anywhere
//grumble

Even worse is those who did need antibiotics but did not finish taking the full course - usually 2 weeks worth.

To be so sure of something so wrong...


It's not enough to say I'm wrong without explaining why.

Usually when I'm prescribed antibiotics I am given two scripts - one for the first week and the other for the next week. Not finishing the course allows some bacteria to have been exposed to the antibiotic but still survive, giving them resistance.

If I'm wrong then tell me why.
 
2013-02-11 09:41:24 PM  

Yogimus: To be so sure of something so wrong...


Uh, what? 10 to 14 days for most antibiotics is the usual prescribing range. Very few conditions, usually sexually transmitted diseases, can be treated by a single dose of antibiotics orally, and at the very least most require 7 days. One to two weeks is a good bet for any course.

And yes. Stopping taking the course when you "feel better" is a recipe for promoting the development of resistant strains of bacteria.
 
2013-02-11 10:28:39 PM  
anal bacteria
 
2013-02-11 10:30:56 PM  

GAT_00: BronyMedic: ecmoRandomNumbers: My mom's health department has been dealing with this for 3 years, submitter. It's already here.

Going to say it's been here for a long time.

XDR-MDR TB is one of the few reasons in a modern age someone can get an involuntary quarantine order placed upon them by a court.

And medical science hasn't created any fundamentally new antibiotics in decades.  It's why so many viruses are adapting to basically everything, on top of bad treatment regimens and failures to finish taking full doses.


And people running to the doctor for every little thing and those doctors prescribing antibiotics for every little thing.
 
2013-02-11 10:39:43 PM  

BronyMedic: Yogimus: To be so sure of something so wrong...

Uh, what? 10 to 14 days for most antibiotics is the usual prescribing range. Very few conditions, usually sexually transmitted diseases, can be treated by a single dose of antibiotics orally, and at the very least most require 7 days. One to two weeks is a good bet for any course.

And yes. Stopping taking the course when you "feel better" is a recipe for promoting the development of resistant strains of bacteria.


A doomsday cult could do that on purpose.
 
2013-02-11 10:41:21 PM  
i46.tinypic.com
 
2013-02-11 10:45:15 PM  

Kibbler: Meanwhile, they've created crops that are Roundup-resistant, and so now there are weeds that are Roundup-resistant.

So now they're creating crops that are Agent Orange-resistant and they're spraying crops with Agent Orange.


Roundup was a god-send to cotton farmers here in the late 90s. Now morning glory is completely resistant to it in some places in the South and the resistance is actually moving westward to here. You can only spray so much chemical on a field before it becomes futile and prohibitive in cost. Looks like they're going to have to start hiring Mexicans and teenagers again to pull out morning glory.
 
2013-02-11 10:52:42 PM  

Big Ramifications: Growing up In Australia we never heard of TB. Nevarr. In fact, we got taught that it Australia had "defeated" it, so I'm not imagining this.

 
Now ya regularly hear about cases.

 
The re emergence of TB sorta, kinda, coincidentally started with the craze of letting shiateloads of African immigrants into the country.


But we better not discuss it. Feelings might get hurt.


When I apply for my work visa, the first thing I have to do is get a TB test, they really don't want to bring it in, but based on what you're saying it's region specific.

/I though they were shipping everyone off to a small island first.
 
2013-02-11 11:15:47 PM  

BronyMedic: tics orally, and at the very least most require 7 days. One to two weeks is a good bet for any course.


Tuberculosis requires a 6 month regimen, up to a year depending on the tracking and the liver health of the patient.  Since we are talking about TB, well, there ya go.
 
2013-02-12 12:11:00 AM  
As someone who had to chug down isoniazid for 10 months after a deployment to the middle east, I'm getting a kick.
 
2013-02-12 12:15:20 AM  
Reverend J: When I apply for my work visa, the first thing I have to do is get a TB test, they really don't want to bring it in, but based on what you're saying it's region specific.
~

I had to get the all clear when I went to America. The effrontery of that nation!


And when I went to the chest clinic it was full of fricken darkies. I've never felt so humiliated.

Reverend J:

/I thought they were shipping everyone off to a small island first.

 
Classic! Not sure if serious.


The island[s] is part of "The Pacific Solution," where the Oz government ships off all the queue-jumping economic refugees aka "boat people" to a tropical island to await processing.

 
But it's kind of a political hot potato on again off again situation. Islands in foreign countries are chosen, deals made, shouty protests staged, minds changed, other island[s] chosen. Hard to keep track of what's going on. The current left wing government has been FEASTING on humble pie these last 6 months or more with their shameless flip-flopping on this issue.

 
One of the pillars of their pre election promises was to be extra extra nice [awwww] to anyone arriving illegally by boat. Surprise! Their  kindness stupidity got gamed, and the situation got so out of hand that they had to copy the previous big bad mean government's policy.


In summary. The "island" you mention is only used for illegal immigrants, not for all immigrants. Currently it is Christams Island, which is part of Australia.
 
2013-02-12 05:03:53 AM  

medius: [ecx.images-amazon.com image 300x300]

/thread needs more [bacterial] culture


She had opera TB. Which means you sing, and sing, and sing- then, after your last solo, cough twice and croak.
 
2013-02-12 07:15:53 AM  

GAT_00: BronyMedic: ecmoRandomNumbers: My mom's health department has been dealing with this for 3 years, submitter. It's already here.

Going to say it's been here for a long time.

XDR-MDR TB is one of the few reasons in a modern age someone can get an involuntary quarantine order placed upon them by a court.

And medical science hasn't created any fundamentally new antibiotics in decades.  It's why so many viruses are adapting to basically everything, on top of bad treatment regimens and failures to finish taking full doses.



So wrong, viruses are not treated by antibiotics, bacteria are......
 
2013-02-12 07:24:36 AM  
Sorry for the attack, GAT_00, but I didnt read the rest of the post where you got butthurt. We all make mistakes.

In light of that, it has to do with people not sticking with a difficult treatment course, that is why DOT (direct observed therapy) is one of the most effective tools to treating this. That is where the Dept of Health actually watches you take the pills, and if you dont comply you get quarantine. This problem is most prevalent in the US in transients, drug users, and the homeless, because you cant track them.
 
2013-02-12 07:39:27 AM  

BronyMedic: wildcardjack: Okay, GAT_00's utter screw up aside, the future probably is going to call for selective or engineered viruses that love the bacterium we want to wage war on.

Of course, I can start the conspiracy theories already. "Virus-based-antibiotics are a known cause of various cancers and these new cures for bacterial infections is just a scheme to increase the incidence of cancer which they make more money treating". See, the treatment isn't even outta the labs and I already have the Alex Jones take on it.

/If I weren't trying to fight it I'd write it.

Phage therapy was investigated in the USSR during the cold war, when antibiotics were not easy for the communists to come by. The problem with phages, however, is that each phage is specific to the bacterium which it attacks and kills, meaning that multiorganism infections, or unknown infections, would render it useless. So if you had a patient in sepsis or in a situation where time was critical, you're pretty much screwed. In addition, you have the problem of phages sometimes imparting factors which increase the virulence or lethality of bacteria as well. Take Enterohemorrhagic E. Coli - it requires a gene imparted by a phage before it produces the EH toxin. Then you have the problem of your patient's own immune system. Things like stomach acid, and the general density of white blood cells in the GI tract were designed to kill foreign antigens, and you risk provoking an immune response by bloodstream administration.


Oh, this is even better to work with.

In an Alex Jones tirade, "These new phage therapies are part of the communist rule from the Obama administration to infect the population with mind altering viruses.The comissars worked on them for decades during the cold war and managed to develop them to a high degree. Your COMMUNIST CDC has been LYING TO YOU about disease resistant bacteria in order to prepare you for this!"
 
2013-02-12 08:42:36 AM  

Yogimus: BronyMedic: tics orally, and at the very least most require 7 days. One to two weeks is a good bet for any course.

Tuberculosis requires a 6 month regimen, up to a year depending on the tracking and the liver health of the patient.  Since we are talking about TB, well, there ya go.


I actually said that up thread.

But, the same principles apply with TB. Stopping antibiotic therapy prematurely promotes resistance, and so does improper dosing.
 
2013-02-12 01:57:28 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Hey uh.

Maybe we start treating antibacterial misuse as mass murder.

Because it is.



Bacteria love sharing antibiotic-resistance-conferring plasmids under stressful environments. Most people don't realize just how easily they do so--especially when exposed to conditions that weaken their cell membranes.

...but if you're looking for the Real(tm) culprits, look no further than the agricultural industry, which is allowed to feed unlimited amounts of antibiotics to livestock whenever they want--without a prescription of any sort. We'd like to blame sick people who take antibiotics for colds, but in reality, it's daily antibiotic supplementation of livestock that's probably the real problem.
 
2013-02-13 12:18:57 AM  
For anyboy who might by hanging around in this thread still, I asked my mom about her department's TB scare. She told me about a drug that they give little kids now in Mexico, (can't remember what it's called, but she knows the name and initials of it.) but when you come here from Mexico and get a TB skin test, it shows up positiive. The County sas paying a fortune for chest x-rays, but the treatment was apparently pretty effective. None of the kids who had been treated in Mexico came up positive, and there were actually right-wingers trying to scare the shiat out of everybody else. That was almost 10 years ago, I think. Nobody came up positive in my mom's 20 years working with TB patients who showed a mark on their skin test, if they'd been treated in Mexico as kids. She said where they were getting really scared were the most remote parts of the Navajo Nation. Her health department is now in charge of making sure anybody with TB does a complete regimen of I think it's called Info-something. Infoziaid? But that's like 8 months to a year. I can't take gummy vitamins for more than a week because I get sick of them. They have like itinerant travel nurses go around the Reservation to MAKE SURE people are taking their meds. It costs the county a fortune, but it's better than quarantines and drug-resistant TB.

Its been a real trial. She's been working her ass off for 2 decades here to prevent a pandemic. She says it's so hard. You should see the frustration. She once joked how The Zombie Epocolypse will be easier to treat than this crap because of the beaureaucracy and budget cuts they run into every year.
 
2013-02-13 02:38:13 PM  

ecmoRandomNumbers: when you come here from Mexico and get a TB skin test, it shows up positiive.


I had a positive skin test in Florida because of the vaccine I got in Hungary.

An aside: Funny, when I was a young child, I didn't cry when I got shots, but when I had to get shots because of my positive TB hit, I friggin' wailed--I think I started even before the needle went in.  I was "too old" for that kind of histrionics, being 12.  But it wasn't the shots, I don't think. It was some existential angst--hey, it was the 90s. And I guess I just wasn't ready for my teens yet.  (22 years later, I think I may finally have the emotional maturity of a 13-year old.)
 
2013-02-13 06:29:31 PM  

medius: ecmoRandomNumbers: when you come here from Mexico and get a TB skin test, it shows up positiive.

I had a positive skin test in Florida because of the vaccine I got in Hungary.

An aside: Funny, when I was a young child, I didn't cry when I got shots, but when I had to get shots because of my positive TB hit, I friggin' wailed--I think I started even before the needle went in.  I was "too old" for that kind of histrionics, being 12.  But it wasn't the shots, I don't think. It was some existential angst--hey, it was the 90s. And I guess I just wasn't ready for my teens yet.  (22 years later, I think I may finally have the emotional maturity of a 13-year old.)


Look, I´m not a wuss. I thought I used to be, but not anymore. I've had pancreatitis, full nephrological fail, and liver fail from a drug called "Effexor.¨ I was also in a car accident where I broke my C'6 vertabra -- all within 3 years. I used to think that something was ready to get me. So Let's just put it out there that I'm not a wuss and I can deal with pain... I just got a "transdemal" flu shot. I almost slapped the nurse. "You couldn´t stick that needle in a muscle and push the plunger? No, It doesnt' work like that. I was massaging my arm all day. The fun part was when I got a strain of flu the vaccine didn't recognize. Spent 2 weeks in bed with that one.

Can we please, get some better virologists, or get the pharmaceutical companies out of the "this won't be an ouchie" business? If it´s a needle, it´s going to have to either go in A) A vein, which sucks, but is awesome when the Propafol gets to your brain in about 2.5 seconds. "OK, count down with me, 10, 9... Who the hell am I?¨or B) You just took an Ativan 45 minutes ago and you guys just put intravenous benadryl in my line 30 seconds ago. I've never felt the urge NOT to sneeze so bad in my life, you f***ers. Is it 11:00 already. Do I have a ride home? Did I poop myself? "Yes, Yes, and a little, Mr. Castillo. Or lets get in into the muscle. The "sub-demal" little tiny needle I had hurt like a bee-sting for a day.

I'm just saying. I'd rather have inter-musculal injection, of anything, unless it's Propafol, because that stuff burns like fire for about seconds in your arm., while you pass out. You sort of pick your arm up from the table and look and the anesthesiologist. This hurts like a biatch! Did you just set my arm on fire. Goddammit, that stuff is fantastic. It's like liquid mind-eraser, but you don't wake up with a hangover. You just go... "so what did I miss, and why is my ass still hanging out of this gown?? You want to ask him for a dosage for "personal" reasons, but he won't give it unless you're Michael Jackson, and that is PREJUDICED!
 
2013-02-14 01:13:45 AM  
OH, and that flu hit me so hard in January, my kidneys stopped working. I had to go on a drug called "Spironolactone" to make me pee again. Basically, my nephrologist said, we either shock your kidneys or you do dialysis. The kidney shock was a hoot. That flu hit he mard. You never want the skitching that starts happening when your kidneys can't get rid of the toxins, so they just get deposited under your skin. There is not enough oatmeal bath in the world for it. There is no lotion. There is no relief.
 
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