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2013-02-11 05:11:45 PM  
I thought Oregon was full of gay people. Or is that something that happened in the last ten years?
 
2013-02-11 05:19:58 PM  
I see what you did there, subby, and it was very, very bad.
 
2013-02-11 05:56:35 PM  

jaylectricity: I thought Oregon was full of gay people. Or is that something that happened in the last ten years?


Oregon is heavily divided, a lot like Washington and California.  Portland, Salem, and Eugene are very solidly blue, but when you get on the other side of the Cascades, you may as well be in Idaho or Utah.
 
2013-02-11 06:01:42 PM  
It was just the tip, people. Just the tip.
 
2013-02-11 06:21:29 PM  

BronyMedic: It was just the tip, people. Just the tip.


Like I haven't heard that line before...

/wait what?
 
2013-02-11 06:22:04 PM  

FloydA: jaylectricity: I thought Oregon was full of gay people. Or is that something that happened in the last ten years?

Oregon is heavily divided, a lot like Washington and California.  Portland, Salem, and Eugene are very solidly blue, but when you get on the other side of the Cascades, you may as well be in Idaho or Utah.


Pretty much this - high desert sheep farkers vote red
 
2013-02-11 06:23:40 PM  
put it in, pull it out, slap your tender, lithe belly with it, and then slowly stick it back in?

Oregon, you sick farks.
 
2013-02-11 06:26:57 PM  
But I don't want to be gay married!
 
2013-02-11 06:28:44 PM  
By Teresa Harke

In a recent column, Steve Duin announced that future generations will embrace same-sex marriage as his generation of "dinosaurs" dies off, making same-sex marriage a non-issue ().

With all due respect to my elders, the "dinosaurs": not so fast. I'm the 25-year-old spokesperson for, an organization committed to keeping the value of marriage between one man and one woman. The head of our organization just barely grazed his 33rd birthday. We are the next generation, and we see exactly what happens when the older generation devalues the family and we are here to stop it.

The last time we redefined marriage was when we removed "till death do us part" and introduced no-fault divorce. At that time, our parents' generation was told that it wouldn't do any harm. Now we know better. As the product of the largest divorce generation, roughly 50 percent of our friends come from broken homes. We have held their hands and heard the pain that divorce and one-parent families have caused. Seeing firsthand how redefining marriage affected my generation, I'm not so keen to have us experiment with children again.

While I know and love many gays and lesbians, it has never changed my opinion on the family. Gays and lesbians deserve love and respect, but I don't believe my friends' sexual orientation should dictate what marriage is, should be, or its importance and value. Marriage is a unique relationship between a man and a woman meant to unite them, and any children they may create. It isn't about who has the "right" to marry; you either fit the definition or not. The definition doesn't discriminate. Everyone must fit the qualifications equally. If you are already married, if you are under 18, if you are closely related, if you are not one man and one woman, you don't fit the qualifications and cannot marry.

The last generation broke down the family, split it up and devalued it. I want a better generation for my kids. I want them to grow up in a world that values marriage and families while respecting people. Let's put the focus of marriage back on what is best for children, not on our own desires for recognition and what is best for "me." That kind of thinking is what got us to generation divorcé. That didn't work out well.

My generation might see value in an alternative for those who don't qualify to marry, allowing them to share benefits, but that doesn't mean we will just roll over and redefine marriage. After all, do we not change and evolve as we age? When my parents were 18- or 20-somethings, it was the 1970s. Do you think my mother is still a hippie with long hair marching in protests and majoring in women's studies? Nope. She's living in the burbs, hair-dyed, make-upped and American flag flying. If my fellow 20-something Occupiers are still sleeping in a park in downtown Portland in 30 years and decrying the "bourgeoisie," I guess they will have proved me wrong on that.
 
2013-02-11 06:29:03 PM  
Mama's got her squeezebox....

/No YouTube @ work
 
2013-02-11 06:33:47 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: By Teresa Harke

In a recent column, Steve Duin announced that future generations will embrace same-sex marriage as his generation of "dinosaurs" dies off, making same-sex marriage a non-issue ().

With all due respect to my elders, the "dinosaurs": not so fast. I'm the 25-year-old spokesperson for, an organization committed to keeping the value of marriage between one man and one woman. The head of our organization just barely grazed his 33rd birthday. We are the next generation, and we see exactly what happens when the older generation devalues the family and we are here to stop it.

The last time we redefined marriage was when we removed "till death do us part" and introduced no-fault divorce. At that time, our parents' generation was told that it wouldn't do any harm. Now we know better. As the product of the largest divorce generation, roughly 50 percent of our friends come from broken homes. We have held their hands and heard the pain that divorce and one-parent families have caused. Seeing firsthand how redefining marriage affected my generation, I'm not so keen to have us experiment with children again.

While I know and love many gays and lesbians, it has never changed my opinion on the family. Gays and lesbians deserve love and respect, but I don't believe my friends' sexual orientation should dictate what marriage is, should be, or its importance and value. Marriage is a unique relationship between a man and a woman meant to unite them, and any children they may create. It isn't about who has the "right" to marry; you either fit the definition or not. The definition doesn't discriminate. Everyone must fit the qualifications equally. If you are already married, if you are under 18, if you are closely related, if you are not one man and one woman, you don't fit the qualifications and cannot marry.

The last generation broke down the family, split it up and devalued it. I want a better generation for my kids. I want them to grow up in a world that values mar ...


"We only care about the kids untill they turn into gay adults"
 
2013-02-11 06:34:47 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: While I know and love many gays and lesbians


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-11 06:36:05 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: While I know and love many gays and lesbians


And there it is. "Some of my best friends are gay!"
 
2013-02-11 06:42:26 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: By Teresa Harke


I'm guessing this is the new face of the Oregon Citizens Alliance?

Meeting one of OCA's reps on campus 20-some years ago was literally the exact point I stopped identifying as a Republican.
 
2013-02-11 06:43:02 PM  

FloydA: Oregon is heavily divided, a lot like Washington and California.  Portland, Salem, and Eugene are very solidly blue, but when you get on the other side of the Cascades, you may as well be in Idaho or Utah.


Yup.  I live in Eugene, bastion of hippies, anarchists, and "alternative lifestyles", but if you drive an hour outside of the city it's redder than Texas.  Makes for some crazy politics.
 
2013-02-11 06:46:42 PM  

Hickory-smoked: I'm guessing this is the new face of the Oregon Citizens Alliance?


Oh.  I see that my linking it caused it to chuck this bit out of the original article:

With all due respect to my elders, the "dinosaurs": not so fast. I'm the 25-year-old spokesperson for Oregon Family Council  , an organization committed to keeping the value of marriage between one man and one woman.
 
2013-02-11 06:50:23 PM  
My area (southern Yamhill) is so messed up, that people were trying to ban giving teenage girls who had already given birth once contraceptives, because "they might be encouraged to have sex".

Someone else stood up and said, "I don't think that in a high school of 400 kids we had 14 virgin births in one year."
 
2013-02-11 06:56:36 PM  
It's the changing demographics, innit?

The reason the GOP have spent so much time and energy amending State constitutions in order to make marriage equality illegal is because the numbers were still in their favor in some states (albeit barely)  but the brighter ones knew full well they were slipping away from them.

Eventually all of these unjust/unconstitutional laws will go the way of the dodo.

All these anti gay marriage amendments of the last few years will be looked upon in the future with the same distaste and moral abhorrence as the vast majority view the anti-miscegenation laws of the 40s and 50s today.
 
2013-02-11 06:57:14 PM  
So, if no-fault divorce is clearly recognized as a major societal blight, I'm sure you have no problem drumming up support to overturn those laws, right?

Oh, what's that? Nobody is seriously trying to change that? Perhaps single-parent households and "broken" families are preferable to the alternative of legally entangling two people who might no longer be compatible or happy together.

So then your solution based on this information is to create a climate where fewer people who might choose to pair together and raise a family are encouraged to do so?

/what is this i dont even...
 
2013-02-11 07:11:49 PM  

HortusMatris: Yup. I live in Eugene, bastion of hippies, anarchists, and "alternative lifestyles", but if you drive an hour outside of the city it's redder than Texas. Makes for some crazy politics.


Lane County is a farked up place, man. Eugene is pretty much a functioning city, but leave the city limits and you're in Lane County jurisdiction. They don't even have money to run their jail. And the county government is dominated by Tea Baggers.
 
2013-02-11 07:13:34 PM  

quatchi: It's the changing demographics, innit?

The reason the GOP have spent so much time and energy amending State constitutions in order to make marriage equality illegal is because the numbers were still in their favor in some states (albeit barely)  but the brighter ones knew full well they were slipping away from them.

Eventually all of these unjust/unconstitutional laws will go the way of the dodo.

All these anti gay marriage amendments of the last few years will be looked upon in the future with the same distaste and moral abhorrence as the vast majority view the anti-miscegenation laws of the 40s and 50s today.


You are correct.

The relatively recent advocacy of a federal "marriage amendment" is based upon similar motives. Knowing that they would soon be in the minority, same-sex marriage opponents were desperate to write a same-sex marriage prohibition into the United States Constitution, so that legalizing same-sex marriage in the United States would be difficult even when a majority of the populace inevitably supported it.
 
2013-02-11 07:27:40 PM  
Springfield was the first city in the US to add anti-gay verbiage to the town charter. In the 90s. Luckily it has since been removed.

Oregon includes orientation *and* gender expression in their anti-discrimination laws. It still baffles me that they can have both these laws and a constitutional amendment that does what the law ostensibly precludes them from doing.
 
2013-02-11 07:40:05 PM  

Hickory-smoked: Soup4Bonnie: By Teresa Harke

I'm guessing this is the new face of the Oregon Citizens Alliance?

Meeting one of OCA's reps on campus 20-some years ago was literally the exact point I stopped identifying as a Republican.


One of Lon Mabon's old cronies is back in the news.

Former Oregon Citizens Alliance official Scott Lively still voices dislike for gays

On Monday, Springfield, Mass., saw the opening of the first trial under the new Alien Tort Statute, allowing citizens of other countries to sue Americans for violations of human rights. The defendant is a local minister, Scott Lively, being sued for his active support of proposed Ugandan laws against homosexuals, including lengthy jail terms -- although the current version of the bill does drop the death penalty.
 
2013-02-11 07:59:19 PM  

jaylectricity: I thought Oregon was full of gay people. Or is that something that happened in the last ten years?


Portland was the largest city on the planet with an openly gay mayor.  But when get outside of the Portland-Eugene corridor, you start seeing more banjos than teeth.
 
2013-02-11 08:00:33 PM  
Well I guess its a start, nice of our southern neighbors to get all caught up I suppose. Hope they don't fark up that vote like they did the whole legalization of pot. -Smug Washington citizen.
 
2013-02-11 08:06:45 PM  
Well, thank you for the education, Oregonians. Pretty weird state you got there, but then again, I live in New England.
 
2013-02-11 08:09:58 PM  

fusillade762: Hickory-smoked: Soup4Bonnie: By Teresa Harke

I'm guessing this is the new face of the Oregon Citizens Alliance?

Meeting one of OCA's reps on campus 20-some years ago was literally the exact point I stopped identifying as a Republican.

One of Lon Mabon's old cronies is back in the news.

Former Oregon Citizens Alliance official Scott Lively still voices dislike for gays

On Monday, Springfield, Mass., saw the opening of the first trial under the new Alien Tort Statute, allowing citizens of other countries to sue Americans for violations of human rights. The defendant is a local minister, Scott Lively, being sued for his active support of proposed Ugandan laws against homosexuals, including lengthy jail terms -- although the current version of the bill does drop the death penalty.


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An' den dey eat da poo poo!  Dey eat da poo poo!
 
2013-02-11 08:22:45 PM  
Where will it end.

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2013-02-11 08:37:45 PM  
I love living in Oregon (born and raised here) but this whole one man/one woman thing we voted into our Constitution is definitely a black eye on the state.  I mean, when Washington is making us look bad then we know we have a problem.
 
2013-02-11 09:03:35 PM  

Pincy: I love living in Oregon (born and raised here) but this whole one man/one woman thing we voted into our Constitution is definitely a black eye on the state.  I mean, when Washington is making us look bad then we know we have a problem.


I loved living in Eugene for many years, but Seattle is not making Eugene, Oregon look bad, Trust me on this, Eugene, Oregon is actually bad.
 
2013-02-11 09:05:28 PM  
Well, I guess they are trying to get it right, but equality should never be put up to popular vote.
 
2013-02-11 09:18:42 PM  
Oregon headed to become the first state to put insert a ban on gay marriage into its constitution and then pull it back out

FTFY
 
2013-02-11 09:29:00 PM  

Glancing Blow: Where will it end.

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The story, if it's the one I'm thinking of, behind that picture is actually rather heartwarming. And it goes to show you that animals have a lot more intelligence than people realize.
 
2013-02-11 09:47:56 PM  

BronyMedic: Glancing Blow: Where will it end.

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The story, if it's the one I'm thinking of, behind that picture is actually rather heartwarming. And it goes to show you that animals have a lot more intelligence than people realize.


Dude, people know exactly how smart tigers are, they've got a running battle of wits with them in the areas they still live in the wild that does not end well for them on the occasions the humans lose.
 
2013-02-11 09:59:14 PM  

moops: HortusMatris: Yup. I live in Eugene, bastion of hippies, anarchists, and "alternative lifestyles", but if you drive an hour outside of the city it's redder than Texas. Makes for some crazy politics.

Lane County is a farked up place, man. Eugene is pretty much a functioning city, but leave the city limits and you're in Lane County jurisdiction. They don't even have money to run their jail. And the county government is dominated by Tea Baggers.


Even Eugene ain't all that blue. Have you seen the derp signs on W 7th, and 11th? The argument against public transportation expansion to meet growth is rather frothy.

On that same note our beloved 'progressive' mayor Piercy gives a 9.8 million dollar property tax exemption to Capstone; a large corporation based in Birmingham Alabama.

This at the same time that she makes the public panic over lack of education funding. (yes, they have cut funding every year for a decade now.) She seems to expect the public to not know that in Oregon, education is funded through property taxes.
 
2013-02-11 10:00:11 PM  

quatchi: Eventually all of these unjust/unconstitutional laws will go the way of the dodo.


a.imageshack.us


When you break the trends down by US census region, it seems about 2035 is the latest it will be, if a Federal "ALL STATES WILL ALLOW GAY MARRIAGE YOU BIGOTS" Amendment is needed. More likely, it's going to effectively be killed once Nevada adds gay weddings to the Reno/Vegas mainstay, and a Federal law requires states recognize gay marriages from other states. I expect both of those by 2020.

Still no GSS-2012 data release....

carryabigsticker.com
 
2013-02-11 10:01:18 PM  

Delay: Pincy: I love living in Oregon (born and raised here) but this whole one man/one woman thing we voted into our Constitution is definitely a black eye on the state.  I mean, when Washington is making us look bad then we know we have a problem.

I loved living in Eugene for many years, but Seattle is not making Eugene, Oregon look bad, Trust me on this, Eugene, Oregon is actually bad.


Grew up in Eugene but moved to Portland after graduating from the U of 0.  Agreed, I would probably never willingly move  back down there.  Eugene just has too much of that small town run-down feel to it now.  Although I do miss having access to the Willamette and McKenzie rivers.
 
2013-02-11 10:01:46 PM  

Soup4Bonnie: Hickory-smoked: I'm guessing this is the new face of the Oregon Citizens Alliance?

Oh.  I see that my linking it caused it to chuck this bit out of the original article:


No, I noticed it was a new group, I was just assuming it was more or less the same people behind it.
 
2013-02-11 10:15:50 PM  
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Good job, Oregon!
 
2013-02-11 10:20:20 PM  
Pretty soon, America will be like a big, gay sandwich. The west and east coasts will be the buns, and the middle of the country will be the meat.
 
2013-02-11 10:51:21 PM  

Serious Black: Pretty soon, America will be like a big, gay sandwich. The west and east coasts will be the buns, and the middle of the country will be the meat.


"Big Gay Sandwich" is a GREAT name for a band.
 
2013-02-11 11:12:13 PM  

Skwach: moops: HortusMatris: Yup. I live in Eugene, bastion of hippies, anarchists, and "alternative lifestyles", but if you drive an hour outside of the city it's redder than Texas. Makes for some crazy politics.

Lane County is a farked up place, man. Eugene is pretty much a functioning city, but leave the city limits and you're in Lane County jurisdiction. They don't even have money to run their jail. And the county government is dominated by Tea Baggers.

Even Eugene ain't all that blue. Have you seen the derp signs on W 7th, and 11th? The argument against public transportation expansion to meet growth is rather frothy.

On that same note our beloved 'progressive' mayor Piercy gives a 9.8 million dollar property tax exemption to Capstone; a large corporation based in Birmingham Alabama.

This at the same time that she makes the public panic over lack of education funding. (yes, they have cut funding every year for a decade now.) She seems to expect the public to not know that in Oregon, education is funded through property taxes.


The bulk of education funding is through the Oregon state general fund.  Has been since Prop 5 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Ballot_Measure_5_%281990%29.  Local bonds can pay for things like facilities improvements and textbooks*.

Many of Oregon's cities and counties money woes are tied to that, as well as the restricted federal timber sales.

Giving them a property tax break won't help city funds directly, but the increase in the tax base (if the jobs materialize) will help the city and the state overall.

//Waiting to see what Bethel chooses for their textbooks, and can't wait to see the new schools at Fairfield and Malabon.
 
2013-02-11 11:38:46 PM  
As a Washington resident all I can do is wish you guys luck. Here's hoping like us, the population on the west coast is big enough to overcome the derp from the eastern half.
 
2013-02-11 11:49:33 PM  

BronyMedic: It was just the tip, people. Just the tip.


You're pretty gay for a medic.
NTTAWWT
 
2013-02-11 11:55:38 PM  

Delay: Pincy: I love living in Oregon (born and raised here) but this whole one man/one woman thing we voted into our Constitution is definitely a black eye on the state.  I mean, when Washington is making us look bad then we know we have a problem.

I loved living in Eugene for many years, but Seattle is not making Eugene, Oregon look bad, Trust me on this, Eugene, Oregon is actually bad.


Very true.

/Moved from Eugene to Seattle in October
//I'm considering recording a Youtube "ad" discussing the issues with transgender people and marriage in Oregon.
///As a transgender individual, my gay marriage is considered "straight".
 
2013-02-12 12:03:44 AM  
Soup4Bonnie:

Shorter Teresa Harke: "We don't understand what makes marriage marriage, so we'll treat the whole thing as a completely indivisible unit without making the slightest effort to tell functional bits (e.g. commitment to relationship) from arbitrary bits (e.g. gender of the participants)."
 
2013-02-12 12:27:20 AM  

meat0918: Skwach: moops: HortusMatris: Yup. I live in Eugene, bastion of hippies, anarchists, and "alternative lifestyles", but if you drive an hour outside of the city it's redder than Texas. Makes for some crazy politics.

Lane County is a farked up place, man. Eugene is pretty much a functioning city, but leave the city limits and you're in Lane County jurisdiction. They don't even have money to run their jail. And the county government is dominated by Tea Baggers.

Even Eugene ain't all that blue. Have you seen the derp signs on W 7th, and 11th? The argument against public transportation expansion to meet growth is rather frothy.

On that same note our beloved 'progressive' mayor Piercy gives a 9.8 million dollar property tax exemption to Capstone; a large corporation based in Birmingham Alabama.

This at the same time that she makes the public panic over lack of education funding. (yes, they have cut funding every year for a decade now.) She seems to expect the public to not know that in Oregon, education is funded through property taxes.

The bulk of education funding is through the Oregon state general fund.  Has been since Prop 5 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Ballot_Measure_5_%281990%29.  Local bonds can pay for things like facilities improvements and textbooks*.

Many of Oregon's cities and counties money woes are tied to that, as well as the restricted federal timber sales.

Giving them a property tax break won't help city funds directly, but the increase in the tax base (if the jobs materialize) will help the city and the state overall.

//Waiting to see what Bethel chooses for their textbooks, and can't wait to see the new schools at Fairfield and Malabon.



Yeah, I know.
My point was that most of the powers that be in Oregon have been chipping away at education funding with the very argument you just made about 'job creation' and 'increasing the tax base' and what-not, for many years.
Has it worked yet?
No.
The funding crises keeps getting worse.
But go ahead, keep funding education with tax cuts.

By the way, the bulk of Capstone's sub-contracts are going to other out-of-state contractors. Not to local contracters as promised in public debate.
 
2013-02-12 02:03:32 AM  
You know, this really is an exciting time to be alive. There's definitely still a ton left to be done, but to watch the dominoes fall one by one and to see the country change before our eyes is pretty amazing.
 
2013-02-12 02:31:20 AM  
Oregon puts gay marriage in
Oregon pulls gay marriage out
Oregon puts gay marriage in
And Oregon shakes it all about
 
2013-02-12 02:51:02 AM  

Sgt Otter: jaylectricity: I thought Oregon was full of gay people. Or is that something that happened in the last ten years?

Portland was the largest city on the planet with an openly gay mayor.  But when get outside of the Portland-Eugene corridor, you start seeing more banjos than teeth.


Berlin has had an openly gay mayor for quite some time, longer than Portland, and it's much larger. Houston too.
 
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