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2013-02-11 03:16:04 PM
makes as much sense as blaming the gun.


What do you say we blame the crazy guy for once?!
 
2013-02-11 03:17:35 PM
The coverage of this rampage is probably fueling the probability of the next one, not the current one.

I think there is probably a way of covering this without coming off like Richard Dawson in Running Man if they made a little effort.  If they could hold-back the hype and salivation over this story and just report the facts, they would be super.
 
2013-02-11 03:23:21 PM

mrshowrules: The coverage of this rampage is probably fueling the probability of the next one, not the current one.

I think there is probably a way of covering this without coming off like Richard Dawson in Running Man if they made a little effort.  If they could hold-back the hype and salivation over this story and just report the facts, they would be super.


And keep it more local.  I'm on the East Coast--what does a modern-day Rambo have to do with us out here?  The media's just glorifying him at this point.
 
2013-02-11 03:27:41 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: makes as much sense as blaming the gun.


What do you say we blame the crazy guy for once?!


I don't think I've seen anyone blame anything BUT the crazy guy in this case.  The gun is a pretty insignificant thing in this story, and it's taken a back seat to a crazy person and even crazier, more corrupt police.

But hey!  You keep on with that gun-persecution.  I'm sure someone will bite.
 
2013-02-11 03:38:52 PM
It's a shame that damnatio memoriae never took hold, but there's always some knucklehead who thinks that they're doing the world a favor by immortalizing the psycho rather than denying him what he's looking for.
 
2013-02-11 03:42:53 PM
"This is very telling that you've got a direct association of liberal luminaries with this killer," Brent Bozell, president of the conservative Media Research Center, told Fox's Sean Hannity.

There are not enough faces on earth to palm in reaction to this "observation."

The Stealth Hippopotamus: makes as much sense as blaming the gun.


Yes, yes...boo-hoo...gun-grabbers...yadda-yadda-yadda
 
2013-02-11 03:54:29 PM

brigid_fitch: mrshowrules: The coverage of this rampage is probably fueling the probability of the next one, not the current one.

I think there is probably a way of covering this without coming off like Richard Dawson in Running Man if they made a little effort.  If they could hold-back the hype and salivation over this story and just report the facts, they would be super.

And keep it more local.  I'm on the East Coast--what does a modern-day Rambo have to do with us out here?  The media's just glorifying him at this point.


Despite myself, these stories interest met.  I hope they catch/kill him with no more loss of life.  The fact that websites track these guys with statistics comparable to baseball cards, is disconcerting because of the young and upcoming rookies who want to die famous.
 
2013-02-11 03:56:05 PM

Vodka Zombie: I don't think I've seen anyone blame anything BUT the crazy guy in this case. The gun is a pretty insignificant thing in this story, and it's taken a back seat to a crazy person and even crazier, more corrupt police.

But hey! You keep on with that gun-persecution. I'm sure someone will bite.



And that's the way it should be. We should only blame the crazy guy in every case. The gun is pretty insignificant thing in every story. Don't blame the media! Don't blame the video games! And don't blame the gun! Do want we are doing (until this article which I think we can all agree is an outlier) in this case. Focus on and blame the person we need to blame.
 
2013-02-11 03:57:31 PM
An ex-cop targeting cops. Cops response: Shoot civilians. I love it!
 
2013-02-11 03:59:26 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: makes as much sense as blaming the gun.


What do you say we blame the crazy guy for once?!


Hey, I read his manifesto.  He didn't go crazy until page two.  Page one was pure sanity.  And at about page 17 when he started praising Charlie Sheen...cuckoo!
 
2013-02-11 04:00:38 PM
 
2013-02-11 04:01:53 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: makes as much sense as blaming the gun.


What do you say we blame the crazy guy for once?!


Why, what did you do this time?
 
2013-02-11 04:02:23 PM
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/oblig
 
2013-02-11 04:03:29 PM
Why don't conservatives want to talk about all the other mass murderer's political leanings?  Why just this one?  Funny how that want to pick and choose.
 
2013-02-11 04:04:34 PM

mrshowrules: The coverage of this rampage is probably fueling the probability of the next one, not the current one.

I think there is probably a way of covering this without coming off like Richard Dawson in Running Man if they made a little effort.  If they could hold-back the hype and salivation over this story and just report the facts, they would be super.


I would love to hear on of the talking heads start a show with, "Who loves you and who do you love"
 
2013-02-11 04:05:18 PM

mrshowrules: The coverage of this rampage is probably fueling the probability of the next one, not the current one.

I think there is probably a way of covering this without coming off like Richard Dawson in Running Man if they made a little effort.  If they could hold-back the hype and salivation over this story and just report the facts, they would be super.


Ironically, in both cases if the media'd do their damned jobs and INVESTIGATE, rather than dutifully report whatever BS they're spoon-fed, the "hype and fear" part of the story might take a decidedly different tone.

// speaking of the movie version of TRM
 
2013-02-11 04:08:46 PM

mrshowrules: brigid_fitch: mrshowrules: The coverage of this rampage is probably fueling the probability of the next one, not the current one.

I think there is probably a way of covering this without coming off like Richard Dawson in Running Man if they made a little effort.  If they could hold-back the hype and salivation over this story and just report the facts, they would be super.

And keep it more local.  I'm on the East Coast--what does a modern-day Rambo have to do with us out here?  The media's just glorifying him at this point.

Despite myself, these stories interest met.  I hope they catch/kill him with no more loss of life.  The fact that websites track these guys with statistics comparable to baseball cards, is disconcerting because of the young and upcoming rookies who want to die famous.


And that's really the point I was trying to make but had to cut it short (at work).  Local coverage makes sense but this 24/7 stream of constant updates on a national scale is insane.  How many times do psychologists have to say over and over again that this is exactly what causes copycats?  The media makes serial killers and mass murderers famous and some other nutjob decides going out in a blaze of glory is WAY cooler than just hanging himself in the shower.  Give it a few months and we'll have someone else w/a grudge penning a manifesto & going on a killing spree.
 
2013-02-11 04:09:00 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: FarkedOver: Cops response: Shoot civilians. I love it!

The first forty-five were mistakes, the forty-sixth an accident


Heh.  I can't believe we allow police to carry magazines capable of holding 46 bullets.
 
2013-02-11 04:09:13 PM

spiderpaz: Why don't conservatives want to talk about all the other mass murderer's political leanings?  Why just this one?  Funny how that want to pick and choose.


For the same reason that Democrats want to address the failures of people who have different ideologies from them. It's nothing more than a question of whose ox is being gored. Truth is, it doesn't matter. A killer is a killer.
 
2013-02-11 04:09:25 PM

Saiga410: mrshowrules: The coverage of this rampage is probably fueling the probability of the next one, not the current one.

I think there is probably a way of covering this without coming off like Richard Dawson in Running Man if they made a little effort.  If they could hold-back the hype and salivation over this story and just report the facts, they would be super.

I would love to hear on of the talking heads start a show with, "Who loves you and who do you love"


Only if it kicks off a full length playing of "21st Century Jesus" by Messiah.
 
2013-02-11 04:10:40 PM
Tying this guy to one particular ideology makes as much sense as with Jared Loughner - sometimes, these people are just way too farking crazy to be able to fit a predetermined template.
 
2013-02-11 04:12:59 PM
Sometimes you feel like a nut...sometimes you don't.


/California - land of fruits & nuts...
 
2013-02-11 04:18:48 PM
What are we blaming the media for? I was unaware the media had been blamed and needed a defense.
 
2013-02-11 04:19:19 PM
How about we blame the cops? Cops across the country are steeped in an environment where they are accountable to no one and no law applies to them. It's the snake eating its own tail and I shed no tears for any of Dorner's "victims".
 
2013-02-11 04:19:55 PM
And yet blaming Call of Duty for Sandy Hook is just fine and dandy.
 
2013-02-11 04:20:00 PM
In fact, blaming media is silly.  Media cures all ills, it makes you better at daily tasks and keeps you informed about everything important.  Trust media always.
 
2013-02-11 04:20:23 PM
media.knoxnews.com


"Liberals are a pest like termites, millions of them ... the only way we can rid ourselves of this evil is kill them in the streets, kill them where they gather."



Remember how much the mainstream media covered this guy's motivations when he killed a woman and a child in a church in Knoxville? Yeah, me neither...
 
2013-02-11 04:21:13 PM

CPennypacker: Why, what did you do this time?


As much as you can prove, which is nothing! Absolutely nothing!!
 
2013-02-11 04:23:45 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: makes as much sense as blaming the gun.


Well, that gun sure does make it easier to go on a killing rampage though, right?
 
2013-02-11 04:27:54 PM
I blame the LAPD, not the media.
 
2013-02-11 04:28:24 PM

spiderpaz: Why don't conservatives want to talk about all the other mass murderer's political leanings?  Why just this one?  Funny how that want to pick and choose.


To be fair, when Gabby Giffords was shot, the media originally speculated about the guy being a Tea Partier or at least Republican.  Again for the guy who shot up the Sikh temple.  Hell, even the guy who rammed the IRS building w/his Piper a few years ago.  Turned out, they were all merely crazy.

This guy specifically praises Biden, Hillary, Chris Matthews, Colin Powell, & Ellen Degeneres.  Mind you, he also praises George HW Bush but you won't hear about that part on Fox.  The right-wingers are absolutely salivating about the fact there's an (apparent) honest-to-God liberal on a killing spree.  This way, when another Eric Rudolph, McVeigh, or Nichols sprouts up, they can turn around and go, "Oh, yeah--well what about Dorner?  HUH?  What about him??"

/Yeah, I don't understand it, either.
 
2013-02-11 04:29:41 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: How about we blame the cops? Cops across the country are steeped in an environment where they are accountable to no one and no law applies to them. It's the snake eating its own tail and I shed no tears for any of Dorner's "victims".


Including the cop's daughter and her fiance?
 
2013-02-11 04:31:11 PM
I keep hearing the word "crazy" get thrown around. I don't like it. For one, its a way to marginalize people who say things that you don't like, or don't want to digest. I bet the first person to try to expose the Tuskeegee Experiments was viewed as crazy. Same with the guy who would have tried to expose Operation Northwoods. You were crazy to believe that there was more than one shooter involved in JFK's assasination. You're crazy if you don't believe every word of the 9/11 Commission. Its used as an argument ender. Its a way to win a debate without presenting any facts. We say that this guy MUST be crazy because he killed a police officer, but none of us accuses the police officer or the soldier of being crazy when they kill.


Disclaimer: This guy may very well be crazy. Everything in his manifesto could be made up garbage. He could just be a severely disgruntled, maniacal, lazy POS who is blaming the world for his failure to handle the responsibilities of his job.

My point is just that I don't like how easily we dismiss people as crazy in this country. Most of you don't even know the facts of the case and you're just repeating what you've heard.
 
2013-02-11 04:33:13 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: He could just be a severely disgruntled, maniacal, lazy POS who is blaming the world for his failure to handle the responsibilities of his job


I wonder what his fark handle is?
 
2013-02-11 04:34:05 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: And that's the way it should be. We should only blame the crazy guy in every case.


What percentage of gun crimes do you think involve a "crazy" person?

And would you approve or not approve of the use of "innocent by reason of insanity" in those cases?
 
2013-02-11 04:34:46 PM

brigid_fitch: To be fair, when Gabby Giffords was shot, the media originally speculated about the guy being a Tea Partier or at least Republican. Again for the guy who shot up the Sikh temple. Hell, even the guy who rammed the IRS building w/his Piper a few years ago. Turned out, they were all merely crazy.


There's a difference though - since Gabby Giffords is a Democrat, it wasn't altogether unreasonable to believe it could have been an extreme right-winger.  Yes, Jared Loughner is just way too crazy to have a coherent ideology, but I sort of understand why that assumption was made at first.

The Sikh temple guy on the other hand was an avowed white supremacist.  He did belong to an extreme right-wing ideology.  When I read the news that a bald, tattooed white guy walked into a Sikh temple and shot up a bunch of people, I thought it was a deranged redneck who shot Sikhs mistaking them for Muslims.  A lot of people right here on FARK made that assumption.  Turns out it wasn't far from the truth.
 
2013-02-11 04:40:32 PM
The LAPD is underestimating the extend to which this guy is becoming lionized by the public. They really ought to hold a press conference where they present, in detail, who this guy is and why he was fired. If they can't show anything worse than apolitical behavior regarding whistle-blowing regarding brutality, then this guy will not only be regarded as a folk hero, he stands a real chance of being aided and abetted by any people who happen to see him.
 
2013-02-11 04:40:48 PM
I hope they find a Dorner Popsicle up in Big Bear Mtn.

/brrrr it's cold.
//not comparatively.
 
2013-02-11 04:41:29 PM

EyeballKid: [media.knoxnews.com image 607x404]


"Liberals are a pest like termites, millions of them ... the only way we can rid ourselves of this evil is kill them in the streets, kill them where they gather."


Remember how much the mainstream media covered this guy's motivations when he killed a woman and a child in a church in Knoxville? Yeah, me neither...


No, I'm pretty sure they kept saying that he had Billow's, Beck's, and Savage's books on his bookshelf...
 
2013-02-11 04:41:46 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: I keep hearing the word "crazy" get thrown around. I don't like it. For one, its a way to marginalize people who say things that you don't like, or don't want to digest. I bet the first person to try to expose the Tuskeegee Experiments was viewed as crazy. Same with the guy who would have tried to expose Operation Northwoods. You were crazy to believe that there was more than one shooter involved in JFK's assasination. You're crazy if you don't believe every word of the 9/11 Commission. Its used as an argument ender. Its a way to win a debate without presenting any facts. We say that this guy MUST be crazy because he killed a police officer, but none of us accuses the police officer or the soldier of being crazy when they kill.


Disclaimer: This guy may very well be crazy. Everything in his manifesto could be made up garbage. He could just be a severely disgruntled, maniacal, lazy POS who is blaming the world for his failure to handle the responsibilities of his job.

My point is just that I don't like how easily we dismiss people as crazy in this country. Most of you don't even know the facts of the case and you're just repeating what you've heard.


I read the manifesto; it certainly doesn't have the obvious shiat smearing shens that you would expect from a legitimately crazy guy.
 
2013-02-11 04:42:10 PM

Saiga410: mrshowrules: The coverage of this rampage is probably fueling the probability of the next one, not the current one.

I think there is probably a way of covering this without coming off like Richard Dawson in Running Man if they made a little effort.  If they could hold-back the hype and salivation over this story and just report the facts, they would be super.

I would love to hear on of the talking heads start a show with, "Who loves you and who do you love"


And this can be the theme song...
 
2013-02-11 04:43:49 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: And that's the way it should be. We should only blame the crazy guy in every case. The gun is pretty insignificant thing in every story.


It's true.  On the same day a crazy guy went on a rampage in a kindergarten killing 27 people at Sandy Hook, another crazy guy went on a rampage in a school in China with a knife stabbing 22.  Now granted, the rampage in China every single person survived but you get the point.  The gun is insignificant and blameless.
 
2013-02-11 04:49:15 PM
2 women, gunman killed in Delaware courthouse shooting

Three people are dead, including a gunman who opened fire in a courthouse in Wilmington, Delaware, Monday morning, Delaware State Police said.

and the beat goes on...
 
2013-02-11 04:49:15 PM

Lionel Mandrake: The Stealth Hippopotamus: And that's the way it should be. We should only blame the crazy guy in every case.

What percentage of gun crimes do you think involve a "crazy" person?

And would you approve or not approve of the use of "innocent by reason of insanity" in those cases?


Depends - can they pass the McNaughton test? Are they literally unable to distinguish right from wrong? Are they unable to appreciate the nature and quality of their acts? If the answer to either of these questions is yes, then they are not guilty - they are incapable of forming the necessary mental state to invite criminal liability. In Dorner's case, the weight of the evidence appears to be otherwise.
 
2013-02-11 04:51:23 PM

lennavan: The Stealth Hippopotamus: And that's the way it should be. We should only blame the crazy guy in every case. The gun is pretty insignificant thing in every story.

It's true.  On the same day a crazy guy went on a rampage in a kindergarten killing 27 people at Sandy Hook, another crazy guy went on a rampage in a school in China with a knife stabbing 22.  Now granted, the rampage in China every single person survived but you get the point.  The gun is insignificant and blameless.


The magazine didn't load itself, and the trigger didn't pull itself. It is both insignificant and blameless. An inanimate object cannot bear responsibility for an action.

But hey, let's not turn this into gun thread number 8675309.
 
2013-02-11 04:51:44 PM
People who commit mass murder don't have good motives?  Shocking.
 
2013-02-11 04:52:18 PM

Tommy Moo: The LAPD is underestimating the extend to which this guy is becoming lionized by the public. They really ought to hold a press conference where they present, in detail, who this guy is and why he was fired. If they can't show anything worse than apolitical behavior regarding whistle-blowing regarding brutality, then this guy will not only be regarded as a folk hero, he stands a real chance of being aided and abetted by any people who happen to see him.


Right now the whole "shoot a truck that might be his, repeatedly, from behind" nature of the story makes me think of one thing.

Is he being framed with a cover story we can't very well verify?

Whether it's fact or fiction examples:  Nixon framing a general for 'unauthorized bombing missions' or cops framing a woman after they rear-ended her car or Wikus Van Der Merwe framed because MNU wanted his DNA to operate alien artifacts or this group framed for a crime they didn't commit... there are plenty of instances, both in fact and fiction, of people being framed by people in power.

And the Dorners story reeks of it.
 
2013-02-11 04:55:51 PM

Vodka Zombie: The Stealth Hippopotamus: makes as much sense as blaming the gun.


What do you say we blame the crazy guy for once?!

I don't think I've seen anyone blame anything BUT the crazy guy in this case.  The gun is a pretty insignificant thing in this story, and it's taken a back seat to a crazy person and even crazier, more corrupt police.

But hey!  You keep on with that gun-persecution.  I'm sure someone will bite.


Well, the  media has taken the opportunity, many times, to point out that Dorner supported an assault weapons ban.

At this point, every new report is mostly old stuff, with just a paragraph or two of new sound bites from cop officials.  I'm bored.
 
2013-02-11 04:56:06 PM

Adolf Oliver Nipples: The magazine didn't load itself, and the trigger didn't pull itself. It is both insignificant and blameless. An inanimate object cannot bear responsibility for an action.


This is so true it's not funny.  Guns don't kill people, people kill people.  The gun is insignificant and irrelevant.  Except when we're talking about defending our homes, then we need a gun because it is significant.
 
2013-02-11 04:58:02 PM

spiderpaz: Why don't conservatives want to talk about all the other mass murderer's political leanings?  Why just this one?  Funny how that want to pick and choose.


Why did the media jump all over Loughner's political interests, but now that the political interests on the left are in the spotlight, the rules get changed?
 
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