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(BBC)   Scientists who obviously never had a dog before surprised by experiments that show that dogs are more likely to disobey their masters when they think humans are not watching   ( divider line
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2013-02-12 06:02:31 AM  

akula: Dogs are pack animals with an instinctive understanding of hierarchy within the pack. So yeah, if they know the alpha is somebody else then they know to disobey the alpha means bad things. If the alpha isn't around, well, one can get away with more stuff.

My dog doesn't try to get away with anything when I'm around. When it's just my wife at home, well, she might push the limits a bit (she = the dog and not the wife, you morons). I guess the dog remembers who picked her up from the shelter and brought her home.

You need to read "In Defense of Dogs" by John Bradshaw. He points out that the "alpha" theory is based on observations of wolves in captivity, arguing that this behavior is unnatural in the first place (wolves act very differently in the wild), and that dogs have very different brja
2013-02-12 08:13:26 AM  

doglover: HairBolus: Knowing that your image in a mirror is actually you is the common test for this ability

One that's got some fundamental flaws when you consider the differences in human and animal sensory abilities.

ummm, Dogs can recognize other dog and human individuals visually so a claim like dogs are smell oriented doesn't work - a dog can't recognize the dog in the mirror as itself because its butt doesn't smell right?

MarkEC: Dogs and cats tend to ignore mirrors. That alone seems to me to be that they recognize themselves in the mirror. ... Contrast that with the way birds react to mirrors. Male cardinals will attack the other male cardinal they see in the mirror, and repeat this action daily all summer long until you cover your car side mirrors.

Dogs and cats will eventually learn to ignore their mirror images but I don't think it is because they recognize themselves, more like they learn that attacking that recognized individual in the mirror is pointless. I have yet to see a dog or cat that doesn't initially respond to its mirror image.

An animal like a dolphin quickly learns that the mirror image is itself and uses it to do things like look inside its mouth.'
2013-02-12 09:12:24 AM  

jaylectricity: I know we're getting WAY off topic, but I recently discovered I can give my cat raw chicken breast and it doesn't bother her in the least. This is a cat that occasionally throws up a can of Friskies.

Why do people always assume that packaged dog or cat food is better for pets than actual meat?

Because they have pictures of carrots and stuff on the bag?

It's filler and crap.

/my dog wants steak
//gets meatballs and eggs
2013-02-12 10:03:53 AM  

sandi_fish: I have seen my dog tippy toe, trying not to make noise.  She'll do this when she thinks I am not looking and wants to go to a place where she is not supposed to be.  I locked eyes with my daughter and I said "Did you see that?".  My daughter recognize the different walking pattern too and we spent some time trying to get it on video, but the dog wasn't falling for it.  Damn dog.  It was one of the funniest things I have ever seen.

One of mine does this all the time. It's pretty impressive; he will only move one foot at a time and he sets it down very quietly, shifts his weight and lifts another. If you happen to look at him when he's doing it he does the shifty-eyes thing and occasionally backs out of the room in the same fashion.

In his case it's a breed thing. Example here: The only difference is he uses it to sneak around the house instead of sneaking up on small, furry edibles.
2013-02-12 10:10:31 AM  
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2013-02-12 11:16:03 AM  

Antimatter: jehovahs witness protection: My dog is ALWAYS surprised by "experiments"

I'd be pretty surprised if my dog was running experiments as well.  I mean, how do you hold the beakers with paws and such?

I think you may wish to re-read that comment. Think "I'll be in my Lab"
2013-02-13 03:40:33 PM  
It has always been assumed that only humans could drive.

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