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(Huffington Post)   The Mississippi Supreme Court would like to apologize for flying a huge Confederate flag over the building on Friday and promise to never again confuse it with the smaller Confederate flag they typically use   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 171
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2013-02-11 04:04:51 PM
Calling the incident, "highly unusual," Wiggins explained to the paper that a local vendor was tasked with the job of purchasing new state flags to replace the one that was torn. Wiggins claims they were given two boxes labeled "Mississippi State Flag," but the boxes actually contained Confederate naval battle flags. After a maintenance worker raised the flag, the mistake went unnoticed for a couple of hours.

Unnoticed?

According to The Associated Press, Mississippi is the last state with a flag that includes the Confederate battle emblem -- a symbol that has been on the state flag since 1894 -- and it's a symbol Mississippi voters fought to keep. In a 2001 statewide election, voters decided nearly 2-to-1 to keep the emblem.

Oh. I see.
 
2013-02-11 04:09:20 PM
so the south lost?
we should send some people down from the north to point this out
again
 
2013-02-11 04:11:11 PM
Mistake......right.
 
2013-02-11 04:12:34 PM
You've heard of Trickle Down Economics. This is Trickle Down Scalia.

/I'm sure many former SCOTUS clerks are familiar with the term
 
2013-02-11 04:13:16 PM
since when is the loser allowed to fly their flag??
 
2013-02-11 04:17:07 PM
"Oops - we accidentally flew that symbol of racism rather than the representation of that symbol of racism that's in our state flag.

We are taking steps to ensure we will only fly our state flag that pays homage to that racist symbol, rather than the actual racist symbol itself."
 
2013-02-11 04:17:46 PM

Linux_Yes: since when is the loser allowed to fly their flag??


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-11 04:18:16 PM
Hate, not heritage!

Or do I have that backwards?
 
2013-02-11 04:19:45 PM
www.cognitivedissident.org
 
2013-02-11 04:20:05 PM
Never been a side, in war, who was more proud of losing it.
 
2013-02-11 04:20:44 PM
i48.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-11 04:21:33 PM

namatad: so the south lost?
we should send some people down from the north to point this out
again



Cheer up. Republicans are gradually Confederizing the entire country.
 
2013-02-11 04:22:05 PM

LarryDan43: Hate, not heritage!

Or do I have that backwards?


I love this argument. It's like 'Oh, your heritage is hatred and slavery then?' Ranks right up there with "The war was about States' Rights!" Yeah....states' rights to own slaves.

Even here in Florida if I drive 20 mins on the freeway I can see a huge Confederate flag that's bigger than my car, up on its flagpole right next to the freeway. It's like nature's warning colors, telling you you're about to confront epic levels of douchebaggery.

I'm not sure why we as a people tolerate these relics of the War of Southern Treason but it really needs to stop.
 
2013-02-11 04:22:52 PM

Linux_Yes: since when is the loser allowed to fly their flag??


Hawaii's flag contains the union jack you know the losers of the revolutionary war.

Did you forget about Maryland's flag
http://www.netstate.com/states/symb/flags/md_flag.htm
 
2013-02-11 04:23:23 PM
Until they are allowed to fly whatever flag they want, I will be flying my Confederate flag upside down as a sign of distress.
 
2013-02-11 04:23:24 PM
youknowyourfrommerthyrwhen.files.wordpress.com

Hurrrrrrrrrrr Durrrrrrrrrrrr!
 
2013-02-11 04:23:37 PM
Should've secretly replaced it with a Penn State flag
 
2013-02-11 04:24:27 PM

namatad: so the south lost?
we should send some people down from the north to point this out
again


We need more funding for cloning research.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-02-11 04:24:29 PM
Had a super-derper family member from Louisiana (shocker) who made a point to tell me, his yankee family,  that LA never surrendered in the civil war (not even sure of the accuracy, doesn't matter/don't care). I said something like, "Is that right? what do you fellas call your currency down there?" ...crickets

later the same day he referred to MLK day as Robert E. Lee day...I said, "I've never heard of that, what do MLK and Robert E. Lee have to do with each other?"...crickets, guess he thought thinly veiled racism was more acceptable than the blatant overt racism required to explain his "joke".


/I always refer to the confederate flag as the traitor flag around the kind of hicks who like to fly it while pretending they're more American than thou.
//Loser flag also acceptable
///no I don't care about your shiatty heritage.
 
2013-02-11 04:26:03 PM
"Confederate flag" my ass. There's no argument for this because that is not a "Confederate flag". The modern "rebel flag" never represented the Confederacy in any capacity; it's either the Confederate navy jack or an emblem used by some Confederate army divisions. There is no way to argue that it's a "heritage flag"; it is explicitly either, a) a banner expressing military intent against the US, or b) recuperated symbolism that only represents a legacy of racism and violence.
 
2013-02-11 04:26:28 PM

rufus-t-firefly: i48.photobucket.com


Yeah, I'm pretty sure the people defending using the Confederate flag are actually proud of the treason in defense of slavery thing.
 
2013-02-11 04:27:54 PM

LarryDan43: Hate, not heritage!

Or do I have that backwards?


Curious why Southerners insist on flying the battle flag.  That has to do with overthrowing the government, and not about their cherished heritage.  I guess they want to be a bunch of treasonous scum.
 
2013-02-11 04:28:06 PM

Lost Thought 00: Should've secretly replaced it with a Penn State flag


bossip.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-11 04:30:11 PM

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: LarryDan43: Hate, not heritage!

Or do I have that backwards?

I love this argument. It's like 'Oh, your heritage is hatred and slavery then?' Ranks right up there with "The war was about States' Rights!" Yeah....states' rights to own slaves.

Even here in Florida if I drive 20 mins on the freeway I can see a huge Confederate flag that's bigger than my car, up on its flagpole right next to the freeway. It's like nature's warning colors, telling you you're about to confront epic levels of douchebaggery.

I'm not sure why we as a people tolerate these relics of the War of Southern Treason but it really needs to stop.


Might you be better off looking at the positives of the war. It was a family feud, growing pains if you will and a whole lot of American's lost family on both sides.  The reason you don't see the pride on the Northern side is they were supposed to win the war and it took them 4 years.
 
2013-02-11 04:30:30 PM

unexplained bacon: later the same day he referred to MLK day as Robert E. Lee day...I said, "I've never heard of that, what do MLK and Robert E. Lee have to do with each other?"...crickets, guess he thought thinly veiled racism was more acceptable than the blatant overt racism required to explain his "joke".


The kind of shiat you hear in the South when around other white people and they deem you 'safe' to be racist around is farking astounding.
 
2013-02-11 04:30:51 PM

unexplained bacon: Had a super-derper family member from Louisiana (shocker) who made a point to tell me, his yankee family,  that LA never surrendered in the civil war (not even sure of the accuracy, doesn't matter/don't care). I said something like, "Is that right? what do you fellas call your currency down there?" ...crickets


Surrender isn't quite so important when your government has collapsed.

The Army of Northern Virginia surrendered on April 9 around noon followed by General St. John Richardson Liddell's troops some 6 hours later. Mosby's raiders disbanded on April 21, General Joseph E. Johnston and his various armies surrendered on April 26, the Confederate departments of Alabama, Mississippi and East Louisiana surrendered on May 4, and the Confederate District of the Gulf, commanded by Major General Dabney Herndon Maury, surrendered on May 5.
...
General Kirby Smith tried to send reinforcements from his Army of the Trans-Mississippi east of the Mississippi River to relieve Vicksburg, Mississippi, in the spring of 1864 following the Battle of Mansfield and the Battle of Pleasant Hill. This was not practicable due to the Union naval control of the Mississippi River. Smith instead dispatched Major General Sterling Price and his cavalry on an invasion of Missouri that was ultimately not successful. Thereafter the war west of the Mississippi River was principally one of small raids. By May 26 a representative of Smith's negotiated and signed surrender documents with a representative of Major General Edward Canby. Canby in Shreveport, Louisiana, then took custody of Smith's force of 43,000 soldiers when they surrendered, by then the only significant Confederate forces left west of the Mississippi River. With this ended all organized Southern military resistance to the Union forces. Smith signed the surrender papers on June 2 on board the U.S.S. Fort Jackson just outside Galveston Harbor.
 
2013-02-11 04:31:59 PM

Waldo Pepper: The reason you don't see the pride on the Northern side is they were supposed to win the war and it took them 4 years.


It's more likely because the war was 1. farking dumb 2. An unnecessary waste of life 3. Nothing to celebrate about considering points one and two
 
2013-02-11 04:33:15 PM

unexplained bacon: later the same day he referred to MLK day as Robert E. Lee day...I said, "I've never heard of that, what do MLK and Robert E. Lee have to do with each other?"...crickets, guess he thought thinly veiled racism was more acceptable than the blatant overt racism required to explain his "joke".


That was actually a thing in Virginia. Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson Day were on the same day as MLK day until 2001 when they moved Lee-Jackson day to the previous Friday. In 1997, Virginia finally retired the state song which is literally about a darkey who loves picking cotten for massa.
 
2013-02-11 04:34:38 PM

Waldo Pepper: Linux_Yes: since when is the loser allowed to fly their flag??

Hawaii's flag contains the union jack you know the losers of the revolutionary war.</i>


That was Hawaii's flag at the time of annexation.

We didn't defeat the British to annex Hawaii, you know.

Did you forget about Maryland's flag
http://www.netstate.com/states/symb/flags/md_flag.htm


From your link:

A new symbol began to emerge displayed at public events across the state. A flag displaying the colors, that had once symbolized the divisions between the citizens of Maryland, came to represent the reconciliation and reunion of all of the citizens in the state. The designer and the date of origin of the current state flag incorporating four quadrants alternating between the yellow and black of the Calvert arms and the red and white of the Crossland arms is unknown. The design derived from the Calvert coat of arms was flown October 11, 1880, in Baltimore, at a parade celebrating the 150th anniversary of the founding of the city. It was also flown October 25, 1888 at the Gettysburg battlefield, in a ceremony dedicating monuments to members of the Maryland regiments of the Army of the Potomac.

It's a flag of unity and reconciliation.

Which is precisely the opposite of the intent of the people pining for the "good old days."
 
2013-02-11 04:36:49 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: "Confederate flag" my ass. There's no argument for this because that is not a "Confederate flag". The modern "rebel flag" never represented the Confederacy in any capacity; it's either the Confederate navy jack or an emblem used by some Confederate army divisions. There is no way to argue that it's a "heritage flag"; it is explicitly either, a) a banner expressing military intent against the US, or b) recuperated symbolism that only represents a legacy of racism and violence.


Courtesy of elchip:

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If you looked at this picture and the first phrase that came to mind was something along the lines of "The Confederate Flag," you would be wrong. This was never the Flag of the Confederate States of America. Furthermore, this flag is not nicknamed Stars and Bars. It was neither the Battle Flag of the Confederacy, nor was it the Confederate Navy Jack (although it's close to both).

The Confederacy actually went through three official flags during its short life. The first such flag looked like this:

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When the Confederate Congress got around to the business of creating a flag for themselves, public opinion was in the favor of modeling it after the American flag. This flag was what came out of their efforts.

The first version of the flag had seven stars, representing the seven states that had seceded by the time of the flag's creation: South Carolina, Mississippi, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, Louisiana and Texas. The remaining stars were added with the secession of Virginia, Arkansas, Tennessee and North Carolina, and the pseudo-secession of Missouri and Kentucky. (I say "pseudo-secession" because they each had two governments, one claiming to represent their state in the Confederacy and one claiming to represent it in the Union.)

This, by the way, is the flag that is properly referred to as Stars and Bars.

Now, during the First Battle of Bull Run (that's the First Battle of Manassas for you southerners), the Stars and Bars caused a bit of confusion thanks to its resemblance to the Stars and Stripes.

One of the Confederate commanders at the battle, Brigadier General Pierre Gustave Toutant Beauregard expressed his frustration to his personal aide, a man by the name of William Porcher Miles.

When not hanging around with Beauregard, Miles was a member of the Confederate Congress. In fact, he had been on the committee that approved the Stars and Bars flag. He wasn't a fan of the Stars and Bars for the same reason that most people at the time were for it: It was similar to the American flag.

He told Beauregard that when they were debating the matter of the flag, he had designed an alternative flag of his own, which was rejected:

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Beauregard liked it so much, that he petitioned the Congress to make it the official flag of the Confederacy.

Congress said no.

Beauregard sought a compromise: He suggested that the Confederacy fly the Stars and Bars as its official flag, but adopt Miles' flag as their Battle Flag -- something that could be flown on the battlefield without generating confusion.

Congress didn't say anything.

Well, they didn't say anything because he didn't ask them: They were adjourned at the time. He took up the issue with the War Department, and they approved of his idea.

Later, the Confederate Navy decided to use a modified version of the flag as their Jack -- that's the flag flown on the front of a ship, usually for ceremonial reasons.

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The popularity of the Battle Flag convinced the government of the Confederacy to eventually incorporate it when they redesigned the official flag, nicknamed the Stainless Banner:

Over time, a clamor grew about the fact that the flag might be confused for a white flag of surrender when the wind was just right. So, it was slightly modified into what is called the Blood-Stained Banner:

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The concern about surrender is rather ironic, because the Confederacy surrendered about a month after adopting the Blood-Stained Banner.

The flag that most people think of as the Confederate Flag was never flown by the Confederacy at all -- it was invented by southerners in the 20th century and, depending on who you ask, symbolizes anything ranging from white power to southern pride.

But whatever you think of the flag, one thing is certain: It was never flown by the Confederate States of America. It uses the colors of the Battle Flag and the shape of the Navy Jack, but it's not exactly either one.

To conclude, this symbolizes treason:
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And this symbolizes racism:
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2013-02-11 04:38:52 PM
i301.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-11 04:40:09 PM

Disposable Rob: unexplained bacon: later the same day he referred to MLK day as Robert E. Lee day...I said, "I've never heard of that, what do MLK and Robert E. Lee have to do with each other?"...crickets, guess he thought thinly veiled racism was more acceptable than the blatant overt racism required to explain his "joke".

That was actually a thing in Virginia. Robert E. Lee and Stonewall Jackson Day were on the same day as MLK day until 2001 when they moved Lee-Jackson day to the previous Friday. In 1997, Virginia finally retired the state song which is literally about a darkey who loves picking cotten for massa.


How about MLK Day 2013?

http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/01/virginia-republicans-g iv e-blacks-finger-mlk-day

The Virginia state senate is evenly divided between Democrats and Republicans, 20-20. Republicans really hate this, but what can they do? Answer: wait for a Democratic state senator to be absent and jam through a mid-decade redistricting plan that switches one seat from D to R by creating a new pack-and-crack majority black district just south of Richmond. The vote was 20-19.

But wait! That's not all. The deed was done on Martin Luther King Jr. Day, and at the end of the session Republicans adjourned in memory of Confederate general Stonewall Jackson, whose birthday is today.
 
2013-02-11 04:44:01 PM

Waldo Pepper: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: LarryDan43: Hate, not heritage!

Or do I have that backwards?

I love this argument. It's like 'Oh, your heritage is hatred and slavery then?' Ranks right up there with "The war was about States' Rights!" Yeah....states' rights to own slaves.

Even here in Florida if I drive 20 mins on the freeway I can see a huge Confederate flag that's bigger than my car, up on its flagpole right next to the freeway. It's like nature's warning colors, telling you you're about to confront epic levels of douchebaggery.

I'm not sure why we as a people tolerate these relics of the War of Southern Treason but it really needs to stop.

Might you be better off looking at the positives of the war. It was a family feud, growing pains if you will and a whole lot of American's lost family on both sides.  The reason you don't see the pride on the Northern side is they were supposed to win the war and it took them 4 years.


The positive side of the war being the destruction of the southern planter class and the elimination of the vicious system of slave labor that class went to war to protect.
 
2013-02-11 04:44:26 PM

Waldo Pepper: The reason you don't see the pride on the Northern side is they were supposed to win the war and it took them 4 years.


I can't really take pride in something I didn't do and was conferred on me at birth.  I fail to see why I should be proud that I fell out of my mother's vag on a certain piece of dirt vs. another piece of dirt.

I suppose if I hadn't accomplished any of my own things then I would be proud to a Hoosier (that sounds so weird), but I've done enough that I don't need the free stuff.  I'm pretty sure life would be the same if I was from Iowa.
 
2013-02-11 04:47:30 PM
rufus-t-firefly: [...]  Mosby's raiders disbanded on April 21 [...]


Is that so?
 
2013-02-11 04:48:22 PM
Apparently my picture didn't work. It's supposed to be Ted Mosby :(
 
2013-02-11 04:49:13 PM
Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong:

The kind of shiat you hear in the South when around other white people and they deem you 'safe' to be racist around is farking astounding.


It's absurd.
I tried telling my black friends this and I'm pretty sure they took it as half a joke and half serious. As a straight, white, male ... the things I've heard come from people's lips would astound you.
 
2013-02-11 04:50:50 PM

Ctrl-Alt-Del: *historical snip* ...


That was actually an interesting read, as I had no knowledge of any of that. Kind of reminds me of just how much was left out of my grade school history classes. Thank you for learning me something!
 
2013-02-11 04:51:17 PM
So, I watched The Help last night, and now this.

Mississippi, you are on my shiat list.
 
2013-02-11 04:52:02 PM
Nice to see they're celebrating Black History Month in that special, southern way.
 
2013-02-11 04:52:07 PM

Rapmaster2000: I fail to see why I should be proud that I fell out of my mother's vag on a certain piece of dirt vs. another piece of dirt.


You fell?  I had to rappel out of your mom's cavern.
 
2013-02-11 04:53:15 PM
On that note, I am originally from Kentucky, where people still refer to the Civil War as "the war of northern aggression".

shiat, the sheer mention of Obama makes people uncomfortable in most KY counties.
 
2013-02-11 04:54:12 PM

Nadie_AZ: Calling the incident, "highly unusual," Wiggins explained to the paper that a local vendor was tasked with the job of purchasing new state flags to replace the one that was torn. Wiggins claims they were given two boxes labeled "Mississippi State Flag," but the boxes actually contained Confederate naval battle flags. After a maintenance worker raised the flag, the mistake went unnoticed for a couple of hours.



The people who sell candy bars at the state capitol are all blind.  I guess the maintenance workers are too.
 
2013-02-11 04:54:33 PM

rufus-t-firefly: Waldo Pepper: Linux_Yes: since when is the loser allowed to fly their flag??

Hawaii's flag contains the union jack you know the losers of the revolutionary war.</i>

That was Hawaii's flag at the time of annexation.

We didn't defeat the British to annex Hawaii, you know.

Did you forget about Maryland's flag
http://www.netstate.com/states/symb/flags/md_flag.htm

From your link:

A new symbol began to emerge displayed at public events across the state. A flag displaying the colors, that had once symbolized the divisions between the citizens of Maryland, came to represent the reconciliation and reunion of all of the citizens in the state. The designer and the date of origin of the current state flag incorporating four quadrants alternating between the yellow and black of the Calvert arms and the red and white of the Crossland arms is unknown. The design derived from the Calvert coat of arms was flown October 11, 1880, in Baltimore, at a parade celebrating the 150th anniversary of the founding of the city. It was also flown October 25, 1888 at the Gettysburg battlefield, in a ceremony dedicating monuments to members of the Maryland regiments of the Army of the Potomac.

It's a flag of unity and reconciliation.

Which is precisely the opposite of the intent of the people pining for the "good old days."


BS. it was a way appeasing those who sided with the south.
 
2013-02-11 04:54:58 PM

A Dark Evil Omen: "Confederate flag" my ass. There's no argument for this because that is not a "Confederate flag". The modern "rebel flag" never represented the Confederacy in any capacity; it's either the Confederate navy jack or an emblem used by some Confederate army divisions. There is no way to argue that it's a "heritage flag"; it is explicitly either, a) a banner expressing military intent against the US, or b) recuperated symbolism that only represents a legacy of racism and violence.


99.99 percent of these idiots will insist that the Confederate navy battle flag was the official flag of the Confederacy.  But remember, it's about heritage and history, not racist crackers being racist crackers.
 
2013-02-11 04:57:57 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: Waldo Pepper: Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: LarryDan43: Hate, not heritage!

Or do I have that backwards?

I love this argument. It's like 'Oh, your heritage is hatred and slavery then?' Ranks right up there with "The war was about States' Rights!" Yeah....states' rights to own slaves.

Even here in Florida if I drive 20 mins on the freeway I can see a huge Confederate flag that's bigger than my car, up on its flagpole right next to the freeway. It's like nature's warning colors, telling you you're about to confront epic levels of douchebaggery.

I'm not sure why we as a people tolerate these relics of the War of Southern Treason but it really needs to stop.

Might you be better off looking at the positives of the war. It was a family feud, growing pains if you will and a whole lot of American's lost family on both sides.  The reason you don't see the pride on the Northern side is they were supposed to win the war and it took them 4 years.

The positive side of the war being the destruction of the southern planter class and the elimination of the vicious system of slave labor that class went to war to protect.


and the north inviting all those former slaves to live up north in the getto and work for next to no pay under the banner of so called freedom.  both greedy sides abused the blacks the only difference was the south was honest about it.

Lee/Jackson day was a holiday in Virginia before MLK day and when MLK day became a national holiday it fell on the same day it took a few years for it to be separate.
 
2013-02-11 04:59:10 PM
I can't understand why people are upset that certain states venerate a traitorous, terroristic, white supremacist rebellion. It's tradition!
 
2013-02-11 04:59:16 PM

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: unexplained bacon: later the same day he referred to MLK day as Robert E. Lee day...I said, "I've never heard of that, what do MLK and Robert E. Lee have to do with each other?"...crickets, guess he thought thinly veiled racism was more acceptable than the blatant overt racism required to explain his "joke".

The kind of shiat you hear in the South when around other white people and they deem you 'safe' to be racist around is farking astounding.


I'd like to be a white fly on the wall in one of those rooms one day.

/then again, ignorance is probably bliss.
 
2013-02-11 05:00:25 PM
According to The Associated Press, Mississippi is the last state with a flag that includes the Confederate battle emblem -- a symbol that has been on the state flag since 1894 -- and it's a symbol Mississippi voters fought to keep. In a 2001 statewide election, voters decided nearly 2-to-1 to keep the emblem.

Funnily enough, that's also roughly Mississippi's demographics breakdown between whites and blacks.

/everybody in Mississippi is racist
//EVERYBODY
 
2013-02-11 05:01:39 PM

Jackpot777: [i301.photobucket.com image 640x393]


You leave the LA Raiders out of this!
 
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