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(Irish Central)   And the next most powerful man in the world is ... Cardinal Timothy Dolan from New York. Nuff said   (irishcentral.com) divider line 29
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2013-02-11 11:59:46 AM  
3 votes:
Dolan should be on trial for child abuse.
2013-02-11 11:39:18 AM  
3 votes:
Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.
2013-02-11 11:30:54 AM  
3 votes:
Yeah. That'll happen in a predominantly anti-American climate such as Europe. It's about as likely as a Nazi becoming pope. And that'll never happen either, right?
2013-02-11 01:06:02 PM  
2 votes:
I don't know the name, but I'm going to go way out on a limb here and predict that the next pope will be an archconservative who thinks that stopping gay marriage, birth control, and uppity nuns is WAY more important than feeding the hungry and nursing the sick. Or, god forbid, ensuring that child molesters get kicked out of the priesthood.

I know, call me crazy.
2013-02-11 12:59:21 PM  
2 votes:
Unless they elect somebody that is going to start hanging motherfarkers by the neck until dead for molesting children, the Catholic Boy Molestation Society can go straight to hell as far as I'm concerned.


But that's not going to happen because the leadership in that organization is corrupt and straight up EVIL.
2013-02-11 12:45:03 PM  
2 votes:

Stone Meadow: "And the next most powerful man in the world is..."

The Pope? How many divisions does he have?

/hopefully not obscure


Move along.  You're Stalin' the thread.
2013-02-11 12:37:35 PM  
2 votes:

HotWingConspiracy: His hands are brown with boy sex cover ups, no American is ever going to be Pope.


Yeah, the boy sex coverup has nothing to do with no American ever becoming pope.  The Europeans just won't allow it on principle alone.
2013-02-11 12:36:30 PM  
2 votes:
I'm calling it for Central or South America.  They can pick a conservative, which is in keeping with their recent history, but show some progressive thought by aiming a little darker.  Not BLACK darker, mind you.  Just a little tanner than the current Sith lord.
2013-02-11 12:00:41 PM  
2 votes:
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2013-02-11 12:00:17 PM  
2 votes:

nekom: I don't know, but that was something they were REALLY talking about last time, after JP2 died. They wound up going with a pretty bland and generic choice, many thought the decision was largely based on the fact that he wouldn't be pope too long. Maybe now they'll try their hip new pope strategy.


could be. though, from what i understand, an african or south american pope is likely to be a conservative. if the church is to grow, it likely needs a liberal reformer.
2013-02-11 03:44:55 PM  
1 votes:

Teknowaffle: thepeterd: Badda bing, badda boom, the fix is in.
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I don't know how many people have read the Hyperion Cantos, but that guy looks like what I imagined the fat, evil cardinal Lourdusamy who was pulling the strings behind the evil incarnation of the Catholic church of the future to look like.


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Would like a word.
2013-02-11 03:11:07 PM  
1 votes:
You utter boob. It's Timothy  CardinalDolan. At least get the honorific right.
2013-02-11 02:44:06 PM  
1 votes:

I should be in the kitchen: On the one hand, I'm not Catholic, so I really don't care who's Pope.

On the other hand, there are Catholics all over the world who believe what the Pope says is infallible, and so he influences public policy and laws that do affect me.


Not a practicing Catholic any more, but this lack of understanding about infallibility still bugs me.

The Pope is not infallible in every single thing he says. He speaks ex cathedra (i.e., invoking infallibility) only on specific occasions, as when he defines points of church doctrine (see point #9 here:  http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Councils/ecum20.htm#Chapter%204.%20On % 20the%20infallible%20teaching%20authority%20of%20the%20Roman%20pontiff ).

Otherwise, he'd be able to jokingly declare that Jesus meant for lutefisk to be part of the sacraments, or something, and the world would have to live with the fallout.
2013-02-11 02:30:04 PM  
1 votes:
The Church will NOT elect a Pope from a Super Power.  No way, no how.  Not gonna happen.
2013-02-11 01:44:51 PM  
1 votes:
"Deteriorating strength" must be latin for "Getting out of Dodge before everyone finds out what the church has done this time"
2013-02-11 01:43:51 PM  
1 votes:

traylor: You are all talking about this like it was important. Why should I (or anyone) care about who will be the next Pope? Does it change anything?


The hell else are we supposed to discuss here? lolcats?
2013-02-11 01:05:58 PM  
1 votes:
Dolan?!  Pssh, please.  He wore out his welcome in Milwaukee, then got all but run out of St. Louis after the St. Stanislaus fiasco.  and don't even get STL folks started on the other mess he got caught in - redirecting weekly donations to fund Prop 8 fights in CA and anti-gay measures in Maine.

He may not have worn out his welcome yet in NYC, but there are whole swaths of the Midwest that wouldn't give him the time of day.
2013-02-11 01:02:23 PM  
1 votes:

Huck And Molly Ziegler: So why IS the pope resigning?


Honestly, I think the reason given (failing health) is probably true.  He took the job, but he later admitted that he prayed that God wouldn't let him be elected.  He's indicated in the past that he thinks that Popes should be able to resign for health reasons.  The guy is 85 and there are reports that he has some sort of neurological disease. I can't imagine the kind of stresses he must be under, but it's probably less than the POTUS, but more than the Queen of England.

If there's some connection to the pedophilia scandal, it's probably that he's not physically strong enough to deal with it effectively as a leader and that younger(!) blood needs to be brought in.
2013-02-11 12:44:19 PM  
1 votes:
"And the next most powerful man in the world is..."

The Pope? How many divisions does he have?

/hopefully not obscure
2013-02-11 12:40:52 PM  
1 votes:

walkerhound: Barfmaker: nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.

Perhaps someone from Kenya...

Can a saint be a pope, or does it only work the other way 'round?


You gotta be dead to be a Saint.
2013-02-11 12:39:56 PM  
1 votes:

Kurmudgeon: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Here's your list of electors

Whoa, I haven't seen that many born in the 30s and 40s since my last car show.


And that's just all the Electors.  There are plenty more Cardinals that were born in the '10s, '20s, & '30s that are just ineligible to vote (but who could still become Pope).
2013-02-11 12:39:53 PM  
1 votes:

timswar: I've never thought of the Cardinals as the brightest group on the planet, but surely they wouldn't be dumb enough to put an asshole like Dolan in charge...

Right?


Why is he an asshole? pls cite examples when laying such a charge on a holy man.
2013-02-11 12:38:27 PM  
1 votes:

GAT_00: nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.

I really don't see the cardinals doing that.  I can't imagine any of the European or North American popes voting for an African pope.  The voting still is biased towards Europe and NA despite populations if memory serves.


and most living Americans just a few years ago would never have imagined a black POTUS in their lifetime either.
2013-02-11 12:38:09 PM  
1 votes:

nekom: FlashHarry: nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.

i wonder how that will play in new york and boston.

I don't know, but that was something they were REALLY talking about last time, after JP2 died. They wound up going with a pretty bland and generic choice, many thought the decision was largely based on the fact that he wouldn't be pope too long. Maybe now they'll try their hip new pope strategy.

/or South American, maybe


Yup. Like I was saying late in the other thread: The next pope will be from the southern hemisphere. I'd bet my first communion money on it. The Church has no more ground to gain in Europe or anywhere else in the West.
2013-02-11 12:35:58 PM  
1 votes:
Gooby pls
2013-02-11 12:34:20 PM  
1 votes:
His hands are brown with boy sex cover ups, no American is ever going to be Pope.
2013-02-11 12:25:09 PM  
1 votes:
Here's your list of electors (Cardinals under the age of 80):

Cardinals of the Order of Bishops

Titular Bishops of Seven Suburbicarian Sees
• Giovanni Battista Re (Italy) - born 30 January 1934 - Prefect Emeritus of the Congregation for Bishops, Cardinal 21 February 2001, Cardinal Bishop of Sabina-Poggio Mirteto since October 2002
• Tarcisio Bertone (Italy) - born 2 December 1934 - Cardinal Secretary of State and Camerlengo of the Holy Roman Church, Cardinal 21 October 2003, Cardinal Bishop of Frascati since May 2008
Patriarchs of Eastern Catholic Churches
• Antonios Naguib (Egypt) - born 7 March 1935 - Patriarch Emeritus of Alexandria (Coptic Catholic Church), Cardinal 20 November 2010
• Bechara Boutros al-Rahi (Lebanon) - born 25 February 1940 - Patriarch of Antioch (Maronite Catholic Church), Cardinal 24 November 2012

Cardinals of the Order of Priests

Appointed by Pope Paul VI - None

Appointed by Pope John Paul II

Consistory of 2 February 1983
• Godfried Danneels (Belgium) - born 5 June 1933 - Archbishop Emeritus of Mechelen-Brussels
• Joachim Meisner (Germany) - born 25 December 1933 - Archbishop of Cologne
Consistory of 28 June 1991
• Nicolás de Jesús López Rodríguez (Dominican Republic) - born 31 October 1936 - Archbishop of Santo Domingo
• Roger Mahony (United States) - born 27 February 1936 - Archbishop Emeritus of Los Angeles
Consistory of 26 November 1994
• Julius Riyadi Darmaatmadja (Indonesia) - born 20 December 1934 - Archbishop Emeritus of Jakarta
• Jaime Lucas Ortega y Alamino (Cuba) - born 18 October 1936 - Archbishop of San Cristóbal de la Habana
• Jean-Claude Turcotte (Canada) - born 26 June 1936 - Archbishop Emeritus of Montreal
• Vinko Puljić (Bosnia and Herzegovina) - born 8 September 1945 - Archbishop of Vrhbosna (Sarajevo)
• Juan Sandoval Íñiguez (Mexico) - born 28 March 1933 - Archbishop Emeritus of Guadalajara
Consistory of 21 February 1998
• Antonio María Rouco Varela (Spain) - born 24 August 1936 - Archbishop of Madrid
• Dionigi Tettamanzi (Italy) - born 14 March 1934 - Archbishop Emeritus of Milan
• Polycarp Pengo (Tanzania) - born 5 August 1944 - Archbishop of Dar-es-Salaam
• Christoph Schönborn; OP (Austria) - born 22 January 1945 - Archbishop of Vienna
• Norberto Rivera Carrera (Mexico) - born 6 June 1942 - Archbishop of Mexico
• Francis Eugene George (United States) - born 16 January 1937 - Archbishop of Chicago
Consistory of 21 February 2001
• Zenon Grocholewski (Poland) - born 11 October 1939 - Prefect of the Congregation for Catholic Education
• Crescenzio Sepe (Italy) - born 2 June 1943 - Archbishop of Naples
• Walter Kasper (Germany) - born 5 March 1933 - President Emeritus of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity
• Ivan Dias (India) - born 14 April 1936 - Prefect Emeritus of the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples
• Geraldo Majella Agnelo (Brazil) - born 19 October 1933 - Archbishop Emeritus of São Salvador da Bahia
• Audrys Juozas Bačkis (Lithuania) - born 1 February 1937 - Archbishop of Vilnius
• Francisco Javier Errázuriz Ossa (Chile) - born 5 September 1933 - Archbishop Emeritus of Santiago de Chile
• Julio Terrazas Sandoval (Bolivia) - born 7 March 1936 - Archbishop of Santa Cruz de la Sierra
• Wilfrid Fox Napier (South Africa) - born 8 March 1941 - Archbishop of Durban
• Oscar Andrés Rodríguez Maradiaga; SDB (Honduras) - born 29 December 1942 - Archbishop of Tegucigalpa
• Juan Luis Cipriani Thorne (Peru) - born 28 December 1943 - Archbishop of Lima
• Cláudio Hummes (Brazil) - born 8 August 1934 - Prefect Emeritus of the Congregation for the Clergy
• Jorge Mario Bergoglio; SJ (Argentina) - born 17 December 1936 - Archbishop of Buenos Aires
• José IV Policarpo (Portugal) - born 26 February 1936 - Patriarch of Lisbon
• Severino Poletto (Italy) - born 18 March 1933 - Archbishop Emeritus of Turin
• Lubomyr Husar (Ukraine) - born 26 February 1933 - Major Archbishop Emeritus of Kyiv-Halych (Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church)
• Karl Lehmann (Germany) - born 16 May 1936 - Bishop of Mainz
Consistory of 21 October 2003[8]
• Angelo Scola (Italy) - born 7 November 1941 - Archbishop of Milan
• Anthony Olubumni Okogie (Nigeria) - born 16 June 1936 - Archbishop Emeritus of Lagos
• Gabriel Zubeir Wako (Sudan) - born 27 February 1939 - Archbishop of Khartoum
• Carlos Amigo Vallejo (Spain) - born 23 August 1934 - Archbishop Emeritus of Seville
• Justin Francis Rigali (United States) - born 19 April 1935 - Archbishop Emeritus of Philadelphia
• Keith Michael Patrick O'Brien (Scotland) - born 17 March 1938 - Archbishop of Saint Andrews and Edinburgh
• Ennio Antonelli (Italy) - born 18 November 1936 - President Emeritus of the Pontifical Council for the Family
• Peter Kodwo Appiah Turkson (Ghana) - born 11 October 1948 - President of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace
• Telesphore Placidus Toppo (India) - born 13 October 1939 - Archbishop of Ranchi
• George Pell (Australia) - born 8 April 1941 - Archbishop of Sydney
• Josip Bozanić (Croatia) - born 20 March 1949 - Archbishop of Zagreb
• Jean-Baptiste Phạm Minh Mẫn (Vietnam) - born 5 March 1934[9] - Archbishop of Ho Chi Minh City
• Philippe Barbarin (France) - born 17 October 1950 - Archbishop of Lyon
• Péter Erdő (Hungary) - born 25 June 1952 - Archbishop of Esztergom-Budapest
• Marc Ouellet (Canada) - born 8 June 1944 - Prefect of the Congregation for Bishops

Appointed by Pope Benedict XVI

Consistory of 24 March 2006
• Agostino Vallini (Italy) - born 17 April 1940 - Vicar General for the Diocese of Rome
• Jorge Urosa (Venezuela) - born 28 August 1942 - Archbishop of Caracas
• Gaudencio Borbon Rosales* (Philippines) - born 10 August 1932 - Archbishop Emeritus of Manila
• Jean-Pierre Ricard (France) - born 25 September 1944 - Archbishop of Bordeaux
• Antonio Cañizares Llovera (Spain) - born 15 October 1945 - Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments
• Seán Patrick O'Malley (United States) - born 29 June 1944 - Archbishop of Boston
• Stanisław Dziwisz (Poland) - born 27 April 1939 - Archbishop of Kraków
• Carlo Caffarra (Italy) - born 1 June 1938 - Archbishop of Bologna

Consistory of 24 November 2007
• Seán Brady (Ireland) - born 16 August 1939 - Archbishop of Armagh
• Lluís Martínez Sistach (Spain) - born 29 April 1937 - Archbishop of Barcelona
• André Armand Vingt-Trois (France) - born 7 November 1942 - Archbishop of Paris
• Angelo Bagnasco (Italy) - born 14 January 1943 - Archbishop of Genoa
• Théodore-Adrien Sarr (Senegal) - born 28 November 1936 - Archbishop of Dakar
• Oswald Gracias (India) - born 24 December 1944 - Archbishop of Bombay
• Francisco Robles Ortega (Mexico) - born 2 March 1949 - Archbishop of Guadalajara
• Daniel DiNardo (United States) - born 23 May 1949 - Archbishop of Galveston-Houston
• Odilo Pedro Scherer (Brazil) - born 21 September 1949 - Archbishop of São Paulo
• John Njue (Kenya) - born 1944 - Archbishop of Nairobi

Consistory of 20 November 2010
• Raúl Eduardo Vela Chiriboga (Ecuador) - born 1 January 1934 - Archbishop Emeritus of Quito
• Laurent Monsengwo Pasinya (Democratic Republic of the Congo) - born 7 October 1939 - Archbishop of Kinshasa
• Paolo Romeo (Italy) - born 20 February 1938 - Archbishop of Palermo
• Donald William Wuerl (United States) - born 12 November 1940 - Archbishop of Washington
• Raymundo Damasceno Assis (Brazil) - born 15 February 1937 - Archbishop of Aparecida
• Kazimierz Nycz (Poland) - born 1 February 1950 - Archbishop of Warsaw
• Patabendige Don Albert Malcolm Ranjith (Sri Lanka) - born 15 November 1947 - Archbishop of Colombo
• Reinhard Marx (Germany) - born 21 September 1953 - Archbishop of Munich and Freising
Consistory of 18 February 2012
• George Alencherry (India) - born 19 April 1945 - Major Archbishop of Ernakulam-Angamaly (Syro-Malabar Catholic Church)
• Thomas Christopher Collins (Canada) - born 16 January 1947 - Archbishop of Toronto
• Dominik Duka; OP (Czech Republic) - born 26 April 1943 - Archbishop of Prague
• Willem Jacobus Eijk (Netherlands) - born 22 June 1953 - Archbishop of Utrecht
• Giuseppe Betori (Italy) - born 25 February 1947 - Archbishop of Florence
• Timothy M. Dolan (United States) - born 6 February 1950 - Archbishop of New York
• Rainer Maria Woelki (Germany) - born 18 August 1956 - Archbishop of Berlin
• John Tong Hon (Hong Kong) - born 31 July 1939 - Bishop of Hong Kong

Consistory of 24 November 2012
• Baselios Cleemis (India) - born 15 June 1959 - Major Archbishop of Trivandrum (Syro-Malankara Catholic Church)
• John Onaiyekan (Nigeria) - born 29 January 1944 - Archbishop of Abuja
• Rubén Salazar Gómez (Colombia) - born 22 September 1942 - Archbishop of Bogotá
• Luis Antonio Tagle (Philippines) - born 21 June 1957 - Archbishop of Manila

Cardinals of the Order of Deacons

Appointed by Pope John Paul II

Consistory of 21 October 2003

• Jean-Louis Tauran (France) - born 3 April 1943 - President of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue, Cardinal Protodeacon since February 2011
• Attilio Nicora (Italy) - born 16 March 1937 - President of the Financial Information Authority
Appointed by Pope Benedict XVI

Consistory of 24 March 2006
• William Joseph Levada (United States) - born 15 June 1936 - Prefect Emeritus of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
• Franc Rodé (Slovenia) - born 23 September 1934 - Prefect Emeritus of the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life
Consistory of 24 November 2007
• Leonardo Sandri (Argentina) - born 18 November 1943 - Prefect of the Congregation for the Oriental Churches
• Giovanni Lajolo (Italy) - born 3 January 1935 - President Emeritus of the Governorate of Vatican City State
• Paul Josef Cordes (Germany) - born 5 September 1934 - President Emeritus of the Pontifical Council Cor Unum
• Angelo Comastri (Italy) - born 17 September 1943 - Archpriest of St. Peter's Basilica, Vicar General for the Vatican City State, and President of the Fabric of St. Peter
• Stanisław Ryłko (Poland) - born 4 July 1945 - President of the Pontifical Council for the Laity

Consistory of 20 November 2010
• Angelo Amato (Italy) - born 8 June 1938 - Prefect of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints
• Robert Sarah (Guinea) - born 15 June 1945 - President of the Pontifical Council Cor Unum
• Francesco Monterisi (Italy) - born 28 May 1934 - Archpriest Emeritus of the Basilica of Saint Paul Outside the Walls
• Raymond Leo Burke (United States) - born 30 June 1948 - Prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura
• Kurt Koch (Switzerland) - born 15 March 1950 - President of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity
• Paolo Sardi (Italy) - born 1 September 1934 - Patron of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta
• Mauro Piacenza (Italy) - born 15 September 1944 - Prefect of the Congregation for the Clergy
• Velasio de Paolis (Italy) - born 19 September 1935 - President Emeritus of the Prefecture for the Economic Affairs of the Holy See
• Gianfranco Ravasi (Italy) - born 18 October 1942 - President of the Pontifical Council for Culture
Consistory of 18 February 2012
• Fernando Filoni (Italy) - born 15 April 1946 - Prefect of the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples
• Manuel Monteiro de Castro (Portugal) - born 29 March 1938 - Major Penitentiary
• Santos Abril y Castelló (Spain) - born 21 September 1935 - Archpriest of the Basilica di Santa Maria Maggiore
• Antonio Maria Vegliò (Italy) - born 3 February 1938 - President of the Pontifical Council for the Pastoral Care of Migrants and Itinerants
• Giuseppe Bertello (Italy) - born 1 October 1942 - President of the Pontifical Commission for Vatican City State
• Francesco Coccopalmerio (Italy) - born 6 March 1938 - President of the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts
• João Braz de Aviz (Brazil) - born 24 April 1947 - Prefect of the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life
• Edwin Frederick O'Brien (United States) - born 8 April 1939 - Grand Master of the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem
• Domenico Calcagno (Italy) - born 3 February 1943 - President of the Administration of the Patrimony of the Apostolic See
• Giuseppe Versaldi (Italy) - born 30 July 1943 - President of the Prefecture for the Economic Affairs of the Holy See

Consistory of 24 November 2012
• James Michael Harvey (United States) - born 20 October 1949 - Archpriest of the Basilica of Saint Paul Outside the Walls
2013-02-11 11:59:24 AM  
1 votes:
They're betting on who will be the next Pope.  Actual odds and everything.

And me with no bookie nearby. :/
2013-02-11 11:58:19 AM  
1 votes:
Seriously though no one really knows.  The old saying is "Go in the conclave a Pope; come out a cardinal."
 
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