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(Irish Central)   And the next most powerful man in the world is ... Cardinal Timothy Dolan from New York. Nuff said   (irishcentral.com) divider line 194
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2013-02-11 02:30:10 PM  

Ponzholio: xanadian: They're betting on who will be the next Pope.  Actual odds and everything.

And me with no bookie nearby. :/

The contenders in line for Pope

Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga (Honduras) +700
Francis Arinze (Nigeria) +1000
Angelo Scola (Venice) +600
Jorge Mario Bergoglio (Argentina) +900
Cristoph Von Schoenborn (Austria) +700
Tarcisio Bertone (Italy) +1000
Dionigi Tettamanzi (Italy) +1000
Claudio Hummes (Brazil) +1200
Francisco Javier Errazuriz (Chile) +1400
Karl Lehmann (Germany) +1600
Cardiani Ruini (Italy) +2000
Attilio Cardinal Nicora (Roman Curia) +2000
Norberto Rivera Carrera (Mexico) +2000
Wilfred Napier (South Africa) +2000
Jose Da Cruz Policar (Portugal) +2000
Jaime Lucas Ortega y Alamino (Cuba) +2000
Renato Martino (Italy) +2000
Ivan Dias (India) +2500
Angelo Sodano (Italy) +2500
Antonio Maria Rouco Var (Spain) +3000
Phillippe Barbarin (France) +3000
Giacomo Biffi (Italy) +4000
Cormac Murphy O'Connor (United Kingdom) +4000
Giovanni Battista Re (Italy) +4000
Godfried Danneels (Belgium) +4000
Geraldo Majella Agnelo (Brazil) +4000
Dario Castrillon Hoyos (Colombia) +3000
Walter Kasper (Germany) +5000
Lopez Rodriguez (Dominican Republic) +5000
Keith O Brien (Scotland) +5000
Jean Marie Lustiger (France) +5000
George Pell (Australia) +5000
Amigo Vallejo (Spain) +5000
Francis George (USA) +5000
Carlo Maria Matini (Italy) +3000
Silvano Piovanelli (Italy) +4000


Nobody from Israel? I smell discrimination.
 
2013-02-11 02:30:18 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: pkellmey: Truther: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Dolan?!  Pssh, please.  He wore out his welcome in Milwaukee, then got all but run out of St. Louis after the St. Stanislaus fiasco.  and don't even get STL folks started on the other mess he got caught in - redirecting weekly donations to fund Prop 8 fights in CA and anti-gay measures in Maine.

He may not have worn out his welcome yet in NYC, but there are whole swaths of the Midwest that wouldn't give him the time of day.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.  He was perhaps the most loved bishop of all time in Milwaukee (or a close second).

Yep, as someone from St. Louis, I know very few active Catholics in the area who did not like the man. The local media didn't like his stance on interviews which is why they even admitted to going after him on a lot of topics, but their views never matter.

Well, I will say that at least out by me in the suburbs, there was plenty of grumbling about the donations being sent out of state.  Maybe it wasn't reflected across the entire area, but it was definitely a talked about issue out here in suburbia.  Also, I'll concede that I don't have first hand knowledge, but I'm pretty sure they screwed the pooch on the St. Stanislaus issue.


The St. Stanislaus issue is/was a very complicated issue, but yeah, the Archdiocese of St. Louis and Burke and Rigalli all did a terrible job at handling it.

I think they finally broke away from the Catholic Church into some other religion or something.

But the Archdiocese here has some terrible PR.
 
2013-02-11 02:30:22 PM  

NeoCortex42: The big shock is that he's choosing to resign (during Lent of all times), instead of dying in office.


Gotta give up something for Lent.  Why not the papacy?
 
2013-02-11 02:31:17 PM  

SkunkWerks: I love how the press keeps reporting on this whole "Pope tenders resignation" thing as a "biiiiig shock".


No one has done it in 600 years, even the ones who probably should have. This also comes more or less out of the blue. I'd say that these factors together qualify to make it shocking.
 
2013-02-11 02:36:03 PM  
Grand_Moff_Joseph: Also, I'll concede that I don't have first hand knowledge, but I'm pretty sure they screwed the pooch on the St. Stanislaus issue.

Also, off-base. Even before Christmas, the older, active Catholics had fled the parish to stay away from the coming and well-documented ex-communications even as non-Catholics who supported their cause replaced them nearly overnight. By the end of the month, most of the protesting parish members had not been active parish members the previous month. Per total membership counts in the diocese, there was no affect on overall attendance numbers in the diocese.
 
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2013-02-11 02:38:26 PM  

I should be in the kitchen: On the one hand, I'm not Catholic, so I really don't care who's Pope.

On the other hand, there are Catholics all over the world who believe what the Pope says is infallible, and so he influences public policy and laws that do affect me.

Picking a conservative Pope could really set back progress in some parts of the world and be the beginning of the end of Catholicism in the US, or at least cause a split within the church (which may not be a bad thing; most Catholics I know are quite liberal and don't follow all of their church's dogma.)


Same position, not Christian but would like to see them pick one of those priests that actually follow Christian values on redistribution of wealth, helping the poor and curbing abuses of power by the elite. One of those liberal South American social advocate priests ideally.

But if the Church is more concerned about growing its numbers in Africa (a primary battleground for the Church as I understand) and holding ground against Islamic and Protestant rivals they're going to go with a conservative that supports the African culture of killing gays and telling young men what they want to hear about not having to use condoms ever.
 
2013-02-11 02:42:19 PM  

Millennium: This also comes more or less out of the blue.


Less, much less.  They elected him because he lacked that strength of mind and body.  Because he'd keep the status quo and not exert any extra papal effort to do much of, well, anything.  And- short of the occasional gaffe here or there, he's delivered on those intentions masterfully.

Millennium: No one has done it in 600 years, even the ones who probably should have.


Tell you what?  How about "unprecedented"?  Shocking?  Not really.  Maybe he realized he's the butt of one enormous Cardinal joke?  Maybe he'd like to live out the last of his final days actually doing something meaningful?

I know I would.
 
2013-02-11 02:44:06 PM  

I should be in the kitchen: On the one hand, I'm not Catholic, so I really don't care who's Pope.

On the other hand, there are Catholics all over the world who believe what the Pope says is infallible, and so he influences public policy and laws that do affect me.


Not a practicing Catholic any more, but this lack of understanding about infallibility still bugs me.

The Pope is not infallible in every single thing he says. He speaks ex cathedra (i.e., invoking infallibility) only on specific occasions, as when he defines points of church doctrine (see point #9 here:  http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Councils/ecum20.htm#Chapter%204.%20On % 20the%20infallible%20teaching%20authority%20of%20the%20Roman%20pontiff ).

Otherwise, he'd be able to jokingly declare that Jesus meant for lutefisk to be part of the sacraments, or something, and the world would have to live with the fallout.
 
2013-02-11 02:59:52 PM  

Lydia_C: The Pope is not infallible in every single thing he says. He speaks ex cathedra (i.e., invoking infallibility) only on specific occasions, as when he defines points of church doctrine


And only then ever twice before (once dealing with the Immaculate Conception and once dealing with the Assumption of Mary), IIRC.
 
2013-02-11 03:04:16 PM  
Fancy hats with matching color shoes? lots of gold? tricked out hats? giant posse? gaudy decorations at home? fear of getting shot in the street?

Come on. Its gotta be a black guy.
 
2013-02-11 03:06:24 PM  
Would someone please shoop Cleavon Little's head onto the pope's body please?

/shoop skillz, I has none
//a couple of stampeding cattle would be a nice touch too
 
2013-02-11 03:11:07 PM  
You utter boob. It's Timothy  CardinalDolan. At least get the honorific right.
 
2013-02-11 03:16:43 PM  
isn't it sad that I only came in here to see comics of Dolan?

gooby please...
 
2013-02-11 03:18:32 PM  

willfullyobscure: You utter boob. It's Timothy  CardinalDolan. At least get the honorific right.


Dolan is not a cardinal.  He's a duck.  Get the species right and we'll talk.
 
2013-02-11 03:25:09 PM  

FlashHarry: nekom: I don't know, but that was something they were REALLY talking about last time, after JP2 died. They wound up going with a pretty bland and generic choice, many thought the decision was largely based on the fact that he wouldn't be pope too long. Maybe now they'll try their hip new pope strategy.

could be. though, from what i understand, an african or south american pope is likely to be a conservative. if the church is to grow, it likely needs a liberal reformer.


Considering how Benedict packed the College of Cardinals, both as Pope and as JPII's advisor in his later
years, you won't see any boat rockers in the Church for at least another generation.

Personally, I'm hoping this guy finally gets his due:

upload.wikimedia.org

But the Catholic Church is not noted for its sense of humour.
 
2013-02-11 03:25:48 PM  

EngineerAU: At the risk of being that guy who injects politics in every thread, a black pope would be yet another nail in the Republican coffin. Having grown up in the South, I can tell your first hand that Catholics are not well liked down here. But due to abortion, there is an uneasy religious alliance between Catholics and the quirky southern flavored Protestant churches. A black pope would make the southern wing of the party go absolutely bonkers. Many Catholics are already uneasy about being involved with Republicans because other than sex and family matters, most Republican policies are contrary to Catholic (and should also be Christian) beliefs. The Catholic bashing from the southern Republicans would be of epic proportions.

I'm not sure which group would end up keeping the GOP and which would wander off to form their own party but it's very unlikely that the election of an African pope would be without consequences to this unholy holy alliance of southern Protestants and northeastern Catholics.


I would not be so sure that the Southern flank of the GOP would be quick to abandon its alliance on account of race.  The only thing taking down 9-9-9 Herman Cain was his inability to keep his zipper up.  Most of them realize that nominating a President and selecting a son-in-law are two different operations.
 
2013-02-11 03:27:17 PM  

Supes: I'm betting we get our first Canadian Pope in the form of Marc Ouellet. Lots of pressure to choose a non-European, and this is a way for them to keep the papacy white and still give a nod to the rest of the world (without worrying about the anti-American sentiment surrounding Dolan).

I'd love to see the first black Pope though.


I think that or a Hispanic dude that looks pretty damn white.  He'd have the name of a minority, but not look scary to the conservatives in his pictures.
 
2013-02-11 03:39:21 PM  
Timothy Dalton wouldn't make a bad Pope.  But, Sean Connery would kick ass.
 
2013-02-11 03:44:55 PM  

Teknowaffle: thepeterd: Badda bing, badda boom, the fix is in.
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I don't know how many people have read the Hyperion Cantos, but that guy looks like what I imagined the fat, evil cardinal Lourdusamy who was pulling the strings behind the evil incarnation of the Catholic church of the future to look like.


2.bp.blogspot.com
Would like a word.
 
2013-02-11 03:45:37 PM  
dedroidify.com

Hail Eris!
 
2013-02-11 03:47:39 PM  

traylor: You are all talking about this like it was important.


Um, because this is a thread about the pope?

Hey, maybe next week you can go to a LARP and taunt the silly people for pretending to be elves.
 
2013-02-11 03:53:50 PM  

cashman: Why is it that when I see the word "papabile" in that story, I'm reading "pedophile"?


Perhaps because "palpable"  means, "capable of being touched or felt."
 
2013-02-11 04:00:20 PM  
Is it hoping for too much to want them to pick someone that's actually interested in hunting down the culture of pederasts and making them homeless and jobless and shiat?

That would be great.
 
2013-02-11 04:12:57 PM  

traylor: You are all talking about this like it was important. Why should I (or anyone) care about who will be the next Pope? Does it change anything?


There exists an office in this world that effectively defines the finer points of right and wrong for about a billion people, and carries considerable weight on these matters with another billion or so. That office is changing hands. The implications for these people should be pretty obvious, but there are also indirect implications for those who deal with these people. That makes this kind of a big deal.
 
2013-02-11 04:19:31 PM  
Pope RuPaul would be fabulous.
 
2013-02-11 04:29:54 PM  

SkunkWerks: willfullyobscure: You utter boob. It's Timothy  Cardinal Dolan. At least get the honorific right.

Dolan is not a cardinal.  He's a duck.  Get the species right and we'll talk.


He's a witch! Burn 'im!
 
2013-02-11 04:34:52 PM  
There was a prophesy that covered all of the popes up to that time a few hundred years ago.Then it gave descriptions of the upcoming popes which could be interpreted as describing each following popes. According to the prophesy,Benedict was the last of the line. So, Dolen can't be pope. If the prophesy is wrong the Kenyan will be the front runner, as usual.
 
2013-02-11 04:38:40 PM  
It's been done before:

submiturpics.com
 
2013-02-11 04:43:51 PM  

Adjudicator: There was a prophesy that covered all of the popes up to that time a few hundred years ago.Then it gave descriptions of the upcoming popes which could be interpreted as describing each following popes. According to the prophesy,Benedict was the last of the line. So, Dolen can't be pope. If the prophesy is wrong the Kenyan will be the front runner, as usual.


Benedict was the last in the list, but one more was mentioned afterward: "Peter the Roman." He's supposed to be the last of the line.

But it doesn't really matter, because no matter who gets picked, I guarantee you that acually is Dolan.
 
2013-02-11 04:44:51 PM  

SkunkWerks: I love how the press keeps reporting on this whole "Pope tenders resignation" thing as a "biiiiig shock".

The Pope says something on the order that he lacks the strength of mind and body to be Pope any longer.  Back when the Cardinals picked him, they did so precisely for this reason- he was unlikely to rock the boat.

Shocking indeed.


I'd say that the first pope resigning since 1415 is a shock.
 
2013-02-11 04:54:40 PM  

ArgusRun: I'm calling it for Central or South America.  They can pick a conservative, which is in keeping with their recent history, but show some progressive thought by aiming a little darker.  Not BLACK darker, mind you.  Just a little tanner than the current Sith lord.


Yeah, I'm thinking someone Hispanic.  Of course, I thought that last time, and they went with the whitest of the white.
 
2013-02-11 04:58:26 PM  
Isn't this the guy who hosted Tales from the Road?  Oh - that was his brother Tommy.
 
2013-02-11 05:01:56 PM  
Maybe it's time for Pope Paul VII

wideandslim.com
 
2013-02-11 05:42:01 PM  
There's some "prophecy" about a finite number fo popes.  This new guy is supposed to be the last pope.

"In extreme persecution, the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep through many tribulations, at the term of which the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the formidable Judge will judge his people."

This would make Cardinal Scola the choice?
 
2013-02-11 05:58:29 PM  

Supes: I understand what you're saying, but I think the percentage of Catholics is so small in most southern states that a disintegration of the alliance wouldn't lead to a destruction of the GOP stronghold in any of states. Except for Texas, I bet Catholics don't make up more than 4 or 5 percent of the electorate, way too little to interrupt the Republican stronghold.

Texas itself might be an interesting case, but it's already well on its way towards becoming a blue state.


I was thinking more of the Catholics in the rest of the country. Many are uneasy Republicans. Birthers and Tea Partiers going ape poopy over a black Pope might be the final straw for those who already are turned off by the "screw the poor, greed is good" and "hate anyone different than you" themes in the modern GOP.

Texas is an interesting situation but Hispanic Catholics tend to already be Democrats. More race baiting by the Republicans though could ensure that they remain Democrats.
 
2013-02-11 06:36:32 PM  

Grand PBUH: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Ponzholio: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Ponzholio: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: walkerhound: Barfmaker: nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.

Perhaps someone from Kenya...

Can a saint be a pope, or does it only work the other way 'round?

You gotta be dead to be a Saint.

And shot out of a canon or something...

No, canon law forbids it.

I was just going for a little canon fodder.

Wouldn't a missal attack be more appropriate?

You mitre be on to something here.


You are all cruisering for a bruisering.
 
2013-02-11 07:22:50 PM  
according to the link, its Timothy Patrick Dolan, false, its actually Timothy Michael Dolan, was former Archbishop of milwaukee prior to New York
 
2013-02-11 07:27:50 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: kevinatilusa: Pennsylvania Dutch Oven: Only the Canadian media is touting Ouellet as a frontrunner. Frankly, RuPaul has a better chance of being elected than Ouellet. The inability to grow the church in North America pretty much kills any chance of the NA cardinals from being elected - whether they covered up molestation or not. Add in the very liberal bent of catholics in Quebec, which the Vatican sees as Ouellet's inability to influence his own flock. The smart money is on a pontif from South America or Africa.

He's currently #2 on Paddy Power's odds, though he's down to 7-2 from the 3-1 he was at 20 minutes ago.

You know, the irony meter would implode if the next pope came from Africa, and then he proceeded to tell us all that condoms were still evil.  In fact, the Vatican's refusal to encourage proper condom usage has killed tens of thousands throughout Africa over the years, and any African pope would have stood by silently the entire time this was going on.


Um; the pope has nothing to do with condom trouble in Africa.

Africa has condom trouble in Africa.

It's a function of believing all sorts of screwy stuff; not limited to: sleeping with a virgin will cure aids; condoms are magical sheilds and must be worn at all times and used several times; you can get aids cured by fasting and donating to a certain Nigerian prince.

/ when they believe that a woman can steal a man's essence; and they put her on trial for such; there's not much you can do about it
 
2013-02-11 07:53:38 PM  
i.qkme.me
 
2013-02-11 08:21:14 PM  
I'll just leave this here. >.>

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2013-02-11 08:28:31 PM  

Sword and Shield: I'd say that the first pope resigning since 1415 is a shock.


The word you're looking for is "unprecedented".  A decided lack of shock is what he was selected for.
 
2013-02-12 07:51:39 AM  

iheartscotch: Um; the pope has nothing to do with condom trouble in Africa.


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2013-02-12 10:04:27 AM  

SkunkWerks: Sword and Shield: I'd say that the first pope resigning since 1415 is a shock.

The word you're looking for is "unprecedented".


I think the "since 1415" part removes the "un" from that word.
 
2013-02-12 10:09:21 AM  

pkellmey: I think the "since 1415" part removes the "un" from that word.


Quit hogging all the Un.  Save some for Kim.
 
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