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(Irish Central)   And the next most powerful man in the world is ... Cardinal Timothy Dolan from New York. Nuff said   (irishcentral.com) divider line 194
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2013-02-11 01:07:58 PM  

GAT_00: Because there are a large number of progressive Catholic electors.


By "progressive" you mean African electors who call for the execution of homoqueers, right? ;)
 
2013-02-11 01:08:18 PM  

Pennsylvania Dutch Oven: Only the Canadian media is touting Ouellet as a frontrunner. Frankly, RuPaul has a better chance of being elected than Ouellet. The inability to grow the church in North America pretty much kills any chance of the NA cardinals from being elected - whether they covered up molestation or not. Add in the very liberal bent of catholics in Quebec, which the Vatican sees as Ouellet's inability to influence his own flock. The smart money is on a pontif from South America or Africa.


He's currently #2 on Paddy Power's odds, though he's down to 7-2 from the 3-1 he was at 20 minutes ago.
 
2013-02-11 01:08:40 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Huck And Molly Ziegler: So why IS the pope resigning?

Honestly, I think the reason given (failing health) is probably true.  He took the job, but he later admitted that he prayed that God wouldn't let him be elected.  He's indicated in the past that he thinks that Popes should be able to resign for health reasons.  The guy is 85 and there are reports that he has some sort of neurological disease. I can't imagine the kind of stresses he must be under, but it's probably less than the POTUS, but more than the Queen of England.

If there's some connection to the pedophilia scandal, it's probably that he's not physically strong enough to deal with it effectively as a leader and that younger(!) blood needs to be brought in.

yeah, the stress of what to do when the child abuse and financial scandals finally blow up in the Vatican's faces.


I'm not trying not to assign judgement, but yeah, that would do it.
 
2013-02-11 01:09:41 PM  

Stone Meadow: GAT_00: Because there are a large number of progressive Catholic electors.

By "progressive" you mean African electors who call for the execution of homoqueers, right? ;)


media.skateboard.com.au
 
2013-02-11 01:10:03 PM  
On a different note, on Paddy Power you can also bet on the next pope being Richard Dawkins.

They've put the odds at 666:1.
 
2013-02-11 01:11:50 PM  

gestug: Why hasn't there been a black Pope yet? Was it Gods will?


You forgot about the Superior General of the Society of Jesus?
 
2013-02-11 01:12:21 PM  

mbillips: Stone Meadow: GAT_00: Because there are a large number of progressive Catholic electors.

By "progressive" you mean African electors who call for the execution of homoqueers, right? ;)

[media.skateboard.com.au image 452x339]


Hey, you can never tell with GAT. ;)
 
2013-02-11 01:13:00 PM  

kevinatilusa: Pennsylvania Dutch Oven: Only the Canadian media is touting Ouellet as a frontrunner. Frankly, RuPaul has a better chance of being elected than Ouellet. The inability to grow the church in North America pretty much kills any chance of the NA cardinals from being elected - whether they covered up molestation or not. Add in the very liberal bent of catholics in Quebec, which the Vatican sees as Ouellet's inability to influence his own flock. The smart money is on a pontif from South America or Africa.

He's currently #2 on Paddy Power's odds, though he's down to 7-2 from the 3-1 he was at 20 minutes ago.


You know, the irony meter would implode if the next pope came from Africa, and then he proceeded to tell us all that condoms were still evil.  In fact, the Vatican's refusal to encourage proper condom usage has killed tens of thousands throughout Africa over the years, and any African pope would have stood by silently the entire time this was going on.
 
2013-02-11 01:13:56 PM  

Contrabulous Flabtraption: You heard it hear first - they will elect the first She-Pope, or Popestress, as is tradition.


You're too late:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Joan

There's a reason why Jeremy Irons had to sit on a fake toilet and have his junk grabbed in 'The Borgias'...
 
2013-02-11 01:15:24 PM  

kevinatilusa: On a different note, on Paddy Power you can also bet on the next pope being Richard Dawkins.

They've put the odds at 666:1.


I have ten dollars on Doogle McGuire (Ireland)
 
2013-02-11 01:18:44 PM  
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2013-02-11 01:22:02 PM  
Did anyone else read the headline as Timothy Dalton at first?
 
2013-02-11 01:22:49 PM  

kombat_unit: Gooby pls

 
2013-02-11 01:25:03 PM  

Last Man on Earth: Did anyone else read the headline as Timothy Dalton at first?


Would he get to keep his Time Lord powers and outfit?
www.slantmagazine.com
 
2013-02-11 01:27:45 PM  

RminusQ: There's not a Pope-damned chance that there's going to be a black/African pope in my lifetime.


We said that with the Presidency. And yet Arinze is sitting there at some of the lowest odds on the board. Remember, there is no Tea Party faction in the College of Cardinals.
 
2013-02-11 01:30:49 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Huck And Molly Ziegler: So why IS the pope resigning?

Honestly, I think the reason given (failing health) is probably true.  He took the job, but he later admitted that he prayed that God wouldn't let him be elected.  He's indicated in the past that he thinks that Popes should be able to resign for health reasons.  The guy is 85 and there are reports that he has some sort of neurological disease. I can't imagine the kind of stresses he must be under, but it's probably less than the POTUS, but more than the Queen of England.

If there's some connection to the pedophilia scandal, it's probably that he's not physically strong enough to deal with it effectively as a leader and that younger(!) blood needs to be brought in.


Sometimes people just know when to quit. The Queen of the Netherlands recently abdicated to her son because of her age. Now true neither the pope nor a European Queen have the same pressures as actual world leaders, but being pope would be a tall order for an older person. Lots of masses, lots of good will visits, etc.

The kiddy diddling scandal certainly predates him, but it still hasn't been properly addressed in my opinion. By properly addressed I mean a full public apology, followed by forwarding any and all incriminating evidence against child molesters to the proper authorities. It's just like the Penn State scandal, child rape is NOT something to be "handled internally". Maybe the new pope man will address it better.
 
2013-02-11 01:31:44 PM  
You are all talking about this like it was important. Why should I (or anyone) care about who will be the next Pope? Does it change anything?
 
2013-02-11 01:36:53 PM  

Gosling: RminusQ: There's not a Pope-damned chance that there's going to be a black/African pope in my lifetime.

We said that with the Presidency. And yet Arinze is sitting there at some of the lowest odds on the board. Remember, there is no Tea Party faction in the College of Cardinals.


Except that the College of Cardinals are even more self-interested than American voters.

The Italian/European Cardinals are afraid that a South American or African Pope would decentralize the bureaucracy, grant Cardinals more autonomy, ultimately taking a lot of power away from Rome.
 
2013-02-11 01:37:35 PM  
That guy should just give himself the best odds, then we can have Pope Power! Pope Paddy Power!
/yeah I know that's not how it works.
 
2013-02-11 01:38:09 PM  

Stone Meadow: "And the next most powerful man in the world is..."

The Pope? How many divisions does he have?

/hopefully not obscure


From a (possibly) more obscure game: "  A hundred years before, Stalin had asked derisively "How many divisions does the Pope have?" In 2045, Rome housed three, including Magna Veritas, acknowledged as the continent's elite. The battalion-strength Vatican Guard was the best of the best, each member individually drawn from across the Federation, with selection based on both combat skill and the strength of their religious devotion."
 
2013-02-11 01:38:39 PM  

Stone Meadow: mbillips: Stone Meadow: GAT_00: Because there are a large number of progressive Catholic electors.

By "progressive" you mean African electors who call for the execution of homoqueers, right? ;)

[media.skateboard.com.au image 452x339]

Hey, you can never tell with GAT. ;)


Thanks for slandering me with utter bullshiat because you can't grasp sarcasm.
 
2013-02-11 01:42:55 PM  

nekom: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Huck And Molly Ziegler: So why IS the pope resigning?

Honestly, I think the reason given (failing health) is probably true.  He took the job, but he later admitted that he prayed that God wouldn't let him be elected.  He's indicated in the past that he thinks that Popes should be able to resign for health reasons.  The guy is 85 and there are reports that he has some sort of neurological disease. I can't imagine the kind of stresses he must be under, but it's probably less than the POTUS, but more than the Queen of England.

If there's some connection to the pedophilia scandal, it's probably that he's not physically strong enough to deal with it effectively as a leader and that younger(!) blood needs to be brought in.

Sometimes people just know when to quit. The Queen of the Netherlands recently abdicated to her son because of her age. Now true neither the pope nor a European Queen have the same pressures as actual world leaders, but being pope would be a tall order for an older person. Lots of masses, lots of good will visits, etc.


His doctors just recently recommended that he no longer make long distance flights, either over the Atlantic or the Pacific. Considering his past remarks, it would appear that once he was limited in what he could do in his office, he knew he needed to step down.
 
2013-02-11 01:43:05 PM  

vernonFL: Dolan should be on trial for child abuse.


Wha?
 
2013-02-11 01:43:37 PM  

traylor: You are all talking about this like it was important. Why should I (or anyone) care about who will be the next Pope? Does it change anything?


It potentially could.  Another old-school conservative pope like Benedict would really change nothing, but if a more progressive pope was elected, it could have some effects.  Imagine the current birth control debate in America if Dolan had been told by his superior to back off a bit.  I don't see anyone even moderately progressive being elected, but it would be nice.
 
2013-02-11 01:43:51 PM  

traylor: You are all talking about this like it was important. Why should I (or anyone) care about who will be the next Pope? Does it change anything?


The hell else are we supposed to discuss here? lolcats?
 
2013-02-11 01:44:51 PM  
"Deteriorating strength" must be latin for "Getting out of Dodge before everyone finds out what the church has done this time"
 
2013-02-11 01:45:07 PM  

pkellmey: His doctors just recently recommended that he no longer make long distance flights, either over the Atlantic or the Pacific. Considering his past remarks, it would appear that once he was limited in what he could do in his office, he knew he needed to step down.


And honestly this is great precedent to set. There's absolutely no reason a pope should have to serve up until his death.
 
2013-02-11 01:45:41 PM  

GAT_00: Stone Meadow: mbillips: Stone Meadow: GAT_00: Because there are a large number of progressive Catholic electors.

By "progressive" you mean African electors who call for the execution of homoqueers, right? ;)

[media.skateboard.com.au image 452x339]

Hey, you can never tell with GAT. ;)

Thanks for slandering me with utter bullshiat because you can't grasp sarcasm.


See...whu'd I tell ya? ;^)
 
2013-02-11 01:46:41 PM  

NeoCortex42: Would he get to keep his Time Lord powers and outfit?


4.bp.blogspot.com

He's the hero we need. Not the hero we want. And he can take him.
 
2013-02-11 01:48:18 PM  
So when the Pope resigns, can he be arrested and charged with child abuse?
 
2013-02-11 01:49:38 PM  

BronyMedic: NeoCortex42: Would he get to keep his Time Lord powers and outfit?

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 500x475]

He's the hero we need. Not the hero we want. And he can take him.


I don't know if it's the camera angle or what, but it looks like he's got a Flock of Seagulls thing going on there.
 
2013-02-11 01:51:48 PM  

NeoCortex42: I don't know if it's the camera angle or what, but it looks like he's got a Flock of Seagulls thing going on there.


And the weird thing is that Matt Smith pulls it off well.
 
2013-02-11 01:54:06 PM  
At the risk of being that guy who injects politics in every thread, a black pope would be yet another nail in the Republican coffin. Having grown up in the South, I can tell your first hand that Catholics are not well liked down here. But due to abortion, there is an uneasy religious alliance between Catholics and the quirky southern flavored Protestant churches. A black pope would make the southern wing of the party go absolutely bonkers. Many Catholics are already uneasy about being involved with Republicans because other than sex and family matters, most Republican policies are contrary to Catholic (and should also be Christian) beliefs. The Catholic bashing from the southern Republicans would be of epic proportions.

I'm not sure which group would end up keeping the GOP and which would wander off to form their own party but it's very unlikely that the election of an African pope would be without consequences to this unholy holy alliance of southern Protestants and northeastern Catholics.
 
2013-02-11 01:56:54 PM  

nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.



Nah... Then the Vatican would war with Gwar and Oderus would have to kill him.
 
2013-02-11 01:57:43 PM  
I love how the press keeps reporting on this whole "Pope tenders resignation" thing as a "biiiiig shock".

The Pope says something on the order that he lacks the strength of mind and body to be Pope any longer.  Back when the Cardinals picked him, they did so precisely for this reason- he was unlikely to rock the boat.

Shocking indeed.
 
2013-02-11 01:58:41 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Dolan?!  Pssh, please.  He wore out his welcome in Milwaukee, then got all but run out of St. Louis after the St. Stanislaus fiasco.  and don't even get STL folks started on the other mess he got caught in - redirecting weekly donations to fund Prop 8 fights in CA and anti-gay measures in Maine.

He may not have worn out his welcome yet in NYC, but there are whole swaths of the Midwest that wouldn't give him the time of day.


You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.  He was perhaps the most loved bishop of all time in Milwaukee (or a close second).
 
2013-02-11 02:01:37 PM  

SkunkWerks: I love how the press keeps reporting on this whole "Pope tenders resignation" thing as a "biiiiig shock".


The big shock is that he's choosing to resign (during Lent of all times), instead of dying in office.
 
2013-02-11 02:05:51 PM  
Put me down for someone from Latin America.
 
2013-02-11 02:06:53 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Dolan?!  Pssh, please.  He wore out his welcome in Milwaukee, then got all but run out of St. Louis after the St. Stanislaus fiasco.  and don't even get STL folks started on the other mess he got caught in - redirecting weekly donations to fund Prop 8 fights in CA and anti-gay measures in Maine.


Not sure if you're getting him confused with this guy who also was a massive douche:

 • Raymond Leo Burke (United States) - born 30 June 1948 - Prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura

Yep..he gets a say in who the next pope is.

The same guy that refused to attend a fundraiser for a local hospital because the entertainment was Sheryl Crow who just happens to be Pro-Choice.

He had a large part in helping me become apathetic about my Catholic faith.
 
2013-02-11 02:07:43 PM  

Truther: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Dolan?!  Pssh, please.  He wore out his welcome in Milwaukee, then got all but run out of St. Louis after the St. Stanislaus fiasco.  and don't even get STL folks started on the other mess he got caught in - redirecting weekly donations to fund Prop 8 fights in CA and anti-gay measures in Maine.

He may not have worn out his welcome yet in NYC, but there are whole swaths of the Midwest that wouldn't give him the time of day.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.  He was perhaps the most loved bishop of all time in Milwaukee (or a close second).


Yep, as someone from St. Louis, I know very few active Catholics in the area who did not like the man. The local media didn't like his stance on interviews which is why they even admitted to going after him on a lot of topics, but their views never matter.
 
2013-02-11 02:07:58 PM  

SuperNinjaToad: timswar: I've never thought of the Cardinals as the brightest group on the planet, but surely they wouldn't be dumb enough to put an asshole like Dolan in charge...

Right?

Why is he an asshole? pls cite examples when laying such a charge on a holy man.


He's one of those "The only way to get into heaven is to vote Republican" *wink wink nudge nudge* types.

Same as Burke.
 
2013-02-11 02:08:53 PM  

EngineerAU: At the risk of being that guy who injects politics in every thread, a black pope would be yet another nail in the Republican coffin. Having grown up in the South, I can tell your first hand that Catholics are not well liked down here. But due to abortion, there is an uneasy religious alliance between Catholics and the quirky southern flavored Protestant churches. A black pope would make the southern wing of the party go absolutely bonkers. Many Catholics are already uneasy about being involved with Republicans because other than sex and family matters, most Republican policies are contrary to Catholic (and should also be Christian) beliefs. The Catholic bashing from the southern Republicans would be of epic proportions.

I'm not sure which group would end up keeping the GOP and which would wander off to form their own party but it's very unlikely that the election of an African pope would be without consequences to this unholy holy alliance of southern Protestants and northeastern Catholics.


I understand what you're saying, but I think the percentage of Catholics is so small in most southern states that a disintegration of the alliance wouldn't lead to a destruction of the GOP stronghold in any of states. Except for Texas, I bet Catholics don't make up more than 4 or 5 percent of the electorate, way too little to interrupt the Republican stronghold.

Texas itself might be an interesting case, but it's already well on its way towards becoming a blue state.
 
2013-02-11 02:13:09 PM  

Supes: I understand what you're saying, but I think the percentage of Catholics is so small in most southern states that a disintegration of the alliance wouldn't lead to a destruction of the GOP stronghold in any of states. Except for Texas, I bet Catholics don't make up more than 4 or 5 percent of the electorate, way too little to interrupt the Republican stronghold.


I see you've never been to Louisiana.

The Southern half, especially by New Orleans is VERY Catholic.

Mardi Gras stems from Catholic traditions.
 
2013-02-11 02:17:26 PM  
On the one hand, I'm not Catholic, so I really don't care who's Pope.

On the other hand, there are Catholics all over the world who believe what the Pope says is infallible, and so he influences public policy and laws that do affect me.

Picking a conservative Pope could really set back progress in some parts of the world and be the beginning of the end of Catholicism in the US, or at least cause a split within the church (which may not be a bad thing; most Catholics I know are quite liberal and don't follow all of their church's dogma.)
 
2013-02-11 02:18:10 PM  

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Ponzholio: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Ponzholio: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: walkerhound: Barfmaker: nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.

Perhaps someone from Kenya...

Can a saint be a pope, or does it only work the other way 'round?

You gotta be dead to be a Saint.

And shot out of a canon or something...

No, canon law forbids it.

I was just going for a little canon fodder.

Wouldn't a missal attack be more appropriate?


You mitre be on to something here.
 
2013-02-11 02:19:07 PM  

Last Man on Earth: Did anyone else read the headline as Timothy Dalton at first?


Actually just came here to post that very thing...
 
2013-02-11 02:19:59 PM  

Mrtraveler01: I see you've never been to Louisiana.

The Southern half, especially by New Orleans is VERY Catholic.

Mardi Gras stems from Catholic traditions.


Been to Louisiana, never New Orleans. But I looked it up, and you're completely right, LA is about 25% Catholic.
 
2013-02-11 02:22:37 PM  

pkellmey: Truther: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Dolan?!  Pssh, please.  He wore out his welcome in Milwaukee, then got all but run out of St. Louis after the St. Stanislaus fiasco.  and don't even get STL folks started on the other mess he got caught in - redirecting weekly donations to fund Prop 8 fights in CA and anti-gay measures in Maine.

He may not have worn out his welcome yet in NYC, but there are whole swaths of the Midwest that wouldn't give him the time of day.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.  He was perhaps the most loved bishop of all time in Milwaukee (or a close second).

Yep, as someone from St. Louis, I know very few active Catholics in the area who did not like the man. The local media didn't like his stance on interviews which is why they even admitted to going after him on a lot of topics, but their views never matter.


Well, I will say that at least out by me in the suburbs, there was plenty of grumbling about the donations being sent out of state.  Maybe it wasn't reflected across the entire area, but it was definitely a talked about issue out here in suburbia.  Also, I'll concede that I don't have first hand knowledge, but I'm pretty sure they screwed the pooch on the St. Stanislaus issue.
 
2013-02-11 02:27:39 PM  

NeoCortex42: The big shock is that he's choosing to resign (during Lent of all times), instead of dying in office.


This sounds like splitting hairs to me.
 
2013-02-11 02:30:04 PM  
The Church will NOT elect a Pope from a Super Power.  No way, no how.  Not gonna happen.
 
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