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(Irish Central)   And the next most powerful man in the world is ... Cardinal Timothy Dolan from New York. Nuff said   (irishcentral.com) divider line 194
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2013-02-11 11:30:54 AM
Yeah. That'll happen in a predominantly anti-American climate such as Europe. It's about as likely as a Nazi becoming pope. And that'll never happen either, right?
 
2013-02-11 11:39:18 AM
Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.
 
2013-02-11 11:43:51 AM

nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.


i wonder how that will play in new york and boston.
 
2013-02-11 11:46:30 AM

FlashHarry: nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.

i wonder how that will play in new york and boston.


I don't know, but that was something they were REALLY talking about last time, after JP2 died. They wound up going with a pretty bland and generic choice, many thought the decision was largely based on the fact that he wouldn't be pope too long. Maybe now they'll try their hip new pope strategy.

/or South American, maybe
 
2013-02-11 11:56:23 AM

nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.


Perhaps someone from Kenya...
 
2013-02-11 11:56:40 AM

nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.


Imma goin' Italian.  I use up alla my English!
 
2013-02-11 11:58:19 AM
Seriously though no one really knows.  The old saying is "Go in the conclave a Pope; come out a cardinal."
 
2013-02-11 11:59:24 AM
They're betting on who will be the next Pope.  Actual odds and everything.

And me with no bookie nearby. :/
 
2013-02-11 11:59:46 AM
Dolan should be on trial for child abuse.
 
2013-02-11 12:00:17 PM

nekom: I don't know, but that was something they were REALLY talking about last time, after JP2 died. They wound up going with a pretty bland and generic choice, many thought the decision was largely based on the fact that he wouldn't be pope too long. Maybe now they'll try their hip new pope strategy.


could be. though, from what i understand, an african or south american pope is likely to be a conservative. if the church is to grow, it likely needs a liberal reformer.
 
2013-02-11 12:00:41 PM
i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-02-11 12:02:40 PM
He's the Nicholas Breakspear of his time.

/don't you dare tell me that isn't obscure
 
2013-02-11 12:07:27 PM

xanadian: They're betting on who will be the next Pope. Actual odds and everything.


Which makes me wonder if Benny timed it so that a certain Cardinal (or Cardinals)  would still be eligible to vote in March before they turned 80.
 
2013-02-11 12:08:22 PM

nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.


I really don't see the cardinals doing that.  I can't imagine any of the European or North American popes voting for an African pope.  The voting still is biased towards Europe and NA despite populations if memory serves.
 
2013-02-11 12:12:46 PM

FlashHarry: nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.

i wonder how that will play in new york and boston.


x1d.xanga.com 

"WE DON'T NEED ROME TELLING US WHAT TO DO IN AMERICA!"

/fignuts.
 
2013-02-11 12:19:34 PM

Barfmaker: nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.

Perhaps someone from Kenya...


WHAR BAPTISM CERTIFICATE? WHAR?
 
2013-02-11 12:25:09 PM
Here's your list of electors (Cardinals under the age of 80):

Cardinals of the Order of Bishops

Titular Bishops of Seven Suburbicarian Sees
• Giovanni Battista Re (Italy) - born 30 January 1934 - Prefect Emeritus of the Congregation for Bishops, Cardinal 21 February 2001, Cardinal Bishop of Sabina-Poggio Mirteto since October 2002
• Tarcisio Bertone (Italy) - born 2 December 1934 - Cardinal Secretary of State and Camerlengo of the Holy Roman Church, Cardinal 21 October 2003, Cardinal Bishop of Frascati since May 2008
Patriarchs of Eastern Catholic Churches
• Antonios Naguib (Egypt) - born 7 March 1935 - Patriarch Emeritus of Alexandria (Coptic Catholic Church), Cardinal 20 November 2010
• Bechara Boutros al-Rahi (Lebanon) - born 25 February 1940 - Patriarch of Antioch (Maronite Catholic Church), Cardinal 24 November 2012

Cardinals of the Order of Priests

Appointed by Pope Paul VI - None

Appointed by Pope John Paul II

Consistory of 2 February 1983
• Godfried Danneels (Belgium) - born 5 June 1933 - Archbishop Emeritus of Mechelen-Brussels
• Joachim Meisner (Germany) - born 25 December 1933 - Archbishop of Cologne
Consistory of 28 June 1991
• Nicolás de Jesús López Rodríguez (Dominican Republic) - born 31 October 1936 - Archbishop of Santo Domingo
• Roger Mahony (United States) - born 27 February 1936 - Archbishop Emeritus of Los Angeles
Consistory of 26 November 1994
• Julius Riyadi Darmaatmadja (Indonesia) - born 20 December 1934 - Archbishop Emeritus of Jakarta
• Jaime Lucas Ortega y Alamino (Cuba) - born 18 October 1936 - Archbishop of San Cristóbal de la Habana
• Jean-Claude Turcotte (Canada) - born 26 June 1936 - Archbishop Emeritus of Montreal
• Vinko Puljić (Bosnia and Herzegovina) - born 8 September 1945 - Archbishop of Vrhbosna (Sarajevo)
• Juan Sandoval Íñiguez (Mexico) - born 28 March 1933 - Archbishop Emeritus of Guadalajara
Consistory of 21 February 1998
• Antonio María Rouco Varela (Spain) - born 24 August 1936 - Archbishop of Madrid
• Dionigi Tettamanzi (Italy) - born 14 March 1934 - Archbishop Emeritus of Milan
• Polycarp Pengo (Tanzania) - born 5 August 1944 - Archbishop of Dar-es-Salaam
• Christoph Schönborn; OP (Austria) - born 22 January 1945 - Archbishop of Vienna
• Norberto Rivera Carrera (Mexico) - born 6 June 1942 - Archbishop of Mexico
• Francis Eugene George (United States) - born 16 January 1937 - Archbishop of Chicago
Consistory of 21 February 2001
• Zenon Grocholewski (Poland) - born 11 October 1939 - Prefect of the Congregation for Catholic Education
• Crescenzio Sepe (Italy) - born 2 June 1943 - Archbishop of Naples
• Walter Kasper (Germany) - born 5 March 1933 - President Emeritus of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity
• Ivan Dias (India) - born 14 April 1936 - Prefect Emeritus of the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples
• Geraldo Majella Agnelo (Brazil) - born 19 October 1933 - Archbishop Emeritus of São Salvador da Bahia
• Audrys Juozas Bačkis (Lithuania) - born 1 February 1937 - Archbishop of Vilnius
• Francisco Javier Errázuriz Ossa (Chile) - born 5 September 1933 - Archbishop Emeritus of Santiago de Chile
• Julio Terrazas Sandoval (Bolivia) - born 7 March 1936 - Archbishop of Santa Cruz de la Sierra
• Wilfrid Fox Napier (South Africa) - born 8 March 1941 - Archbishop of Durban
• Oscar Andrés Rodríguez Maradiaga; SDB (Honduras) - born 29 December 1942 - Archbishop of Tegucigalpa
• Juan Luis Cipriani Thorne (Peru) - born 28 December 1943 - Archbishop of Lima
• Cláudio Hummes (Brazil) - born 8 August 1934 - Prefect Emeritus of the Congregation for the Clergy
• Jorge Mario Bergoglio; SJ (Argentina) - born 17 December 1936 - Archbishop of Buenos Aires
• José IV Policarpo (Portugal) - born 26 February 1936 - Patriarch of Lisbon
• Severino Poletto (Italy) - born 18 March 1933 - Archbishop Emeritus of Turin
• Lubomyr Husar (Ukraine) - born 26 February 1933 - Major Archbishop Emeritus of Kyiv-Halych (Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church)
• Karl Lehmann (Germany) - born 16 May 1936 - Bishop of Mainz
Consistory of 21 October 2003[8]
• Angelo Scola (Italy) - born 7 November 1941 - Archbishop of Milan
• Anthony Olubumni Okogie (Nigeria) - born 16 June 1936 - Archbishop Emeritus of Lagos
• Gabriel Zubeir Wako (Sudan) - born 27 February 1939 - Archbishop of Khartoum
• Carlos Amigo Vallejo (Spain) - born 23 August 1934 - Archbishop Emeritus of Seville
• Justin Francis Rigali (United States) - born 19 April 1935 - Archbishop Emeritus of Philadelphia
• Keith Michael Patrick O'Brien (Scotland) - born 17 March 1938 - Archbishop of Saint Andrews and Edinburgh
• Ennio Antonelli (Italy) - born 18 November 1936 - President Emeritus of the Pontifical Council for the Family
• Peter Kodwo Appiah Turkson (Ghana) - born 11 October 1948 - President of the Pontifical Council for Justice and Peace
• Telesphore Placidus Toppo (India) - born 13 October 1939 - Archbishop of Ranchi
• George Pell (Australia) - born 8 April 1941 - Archbishop of Sydney
• Josip Bozanić (Croatia) - born 20 March 1949 - Archbishop of Zagreb
• Jean-Baptiste Phạm Minh Mẫn (Vietnam) - born 5 March 1934[9] - Archbishop of Ho Chi Minh City
• Philippe Barbarin (France) - born 17 October 1950 - Archbishop of Lyon
• Péter Erdő (Hungary) - born 25 June 1952 - Archbishop of Esztergom-Budapest
• Marc Ouellet (Canada) - born 8 June 1944 - Prefect of the Congregation for Bishops

Appointed by Pope Benedict XVI

Consistory of 24 March 2006
• Agostino Vallini (Italy) - born 17 April 1940 - Vicar General for the Diocese of Rome
• Jorge Urosa (Venezuela) - born 28 August 1942 - Archbishop of Caracas
• Gaudencio Borbon Rosales* (Philippines) - born 10 August 1932 - Archbishop Emeritus of Manila
• Jean-Pierre Ricard (France) - born 25 September 1944 - Archbishop of Bordeaux
• Antonio Cañizares Llovera (Spain) - born 15 October 1945 - Prefect of the Congregation for Divine Worship and the Discipline of the Sacraments
• Seán Patrick O'Malley (United States) - born 29 June 1944 - Archbishop of Boston
• Stanisław Dziwisz (Poland) - born 27 April 1939 - Archbishop of Kraków
• Carlo Caffarra (Italy) - born 1 June 1938 - Archbishop of Bologna

Consistory of 24 November 2007
• Seán Brady (Ireland) - born 16 August 1939 - Archbishop of Armagh
• Lluís Martínez Sistach (Spain) - born 29 April 1937 - Archbishop of Barcelona
• André Armand Vingt-Trois (France) - born 7 November 1942 - Archbishop of Paris
• Angelo Bagnasco (Italy) - born 14 January 1943 - Archbishop of Genoa
• Théodore-Adrien Sarr (Senegal) - born 28 November 1936 - Archbishop of Dakar
• Oswald Gracias (India) - born 24 December 1944 - Archbishop of Bombay
• Francisco Robles Ortega (Mexico) - born 2 March 1949 - Archbishop of Guadalajara
• Daniel DiNardo (United States) - born 23 May 1949 - Archbishop of Galveston-Houston
• Odilo Pedro Scherer (Brazil) - born 21 September 1949 - Archbishop of São Paulo
• John Njue (Kenya) - born 1944 - Archbishop of Nairobi

Consistory of 20 November 2010
• Raúl Eduardo Vela Chiriboga (Ecuador) - born 1 January 1934 - Archbishop Emeritus of Quito
• Laurent Monsengwo Pasinya (Democratic Republic of the Congo) - born 7 October 1939 - Archbishop of Kinshasa
• Paolo Romeo (Italy) - born 20 February 1938 - Archbishop of Palermo
• Donald William Wuerl (United States) - born 12 November 1940 - Archbishop of Washington
• Raymundo Damasceno Assis (Brazil) - born 15 February 1937 - Archbishop of Aparecida
• Kazimierz Nycz (Poland) - born 1 February 1950 - Archbishop of Warsaw
• Patabendige Don Albert Malcolm Ranjith (Sri Lanka) - born 15 November 1947 - Archbishop of Colombo
• Reinhard Marx (Germany) - born 21 September 1953 - Archbishop of Munich and Freising
Consistory of 18 February 2012
• George Alencherry (India) - born 19 April 1945 - Major Archbishop of Ernakulam-Angamaly (Syro-Malabar Catholic Church)
• Thomas Christopher Collins (Canada) - born 16 January 1947 - Archbishop of Toronto
• Dominik Duka; OP (Czech Republic) - born 26 April 1943 - Archbishop of Prague
• Willem Jacobus Eijk (Netherlands) - born 22 June 1953 - Archbishop of Utrecht
• Giuseppe Betori (Italy) - born 25 February 1947 - Archbishop of Florence
• Timothy M. Dolan (United States) - born 6 February 1950 - Archbishop of New York
• Rainer Maria Woelki (Germany) - born 18 August 1956 - Archbishop of Berlin
• John Tong Hon (Hong Kong) - born 31 July 1939 - Bishop of Hong Kong

Consistory of 24 November 2012
• Baselios Cleemis (India) - born 15 June 1959 - Major Archbishop of Trivandrum (Syro-Malankara Catholic Church)
• John Onaiyekan (Nigeria) - born 29 January 1944 - Archbishop of Abuja
• Rubén Salazar Gómez (Colombia) - born 22 September 1942 - Archbishop of Bogotá
• Luis Antonio Tagle (Philippines) - born 21 June 1957 - Archbishop of Manila

Cardinals of the Order of Deacons

Appointed by Pope John Paul II

Consistory of 21 October 2003

• Jean-Louis Tauran (France) - born 3 April 1943 - President of the Pontifical Council for Interreligious Dialogue, Cardinal Protodeacon since February 2011
• Attilio Nicora (Italy) - born 16 March 1937 - President of the Financial Information Authority
Appointed by Pope Benedict XVI

Consistory of 24 March 2006
• William Joseph Levada (United States) - born 15 June 1936 - Prefect Emeritus of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith
• Franc Rodé (Slovenia) - born 23 September 1934 - Prefect Emeritus of the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life
Consistory of 24 November 2007
• Leonardo Sandri (Argentina) - born 18 November 1943 - Prefect of the Congregation for the Oriental Churches
• Giovanni Lajolo (Italy) - born 3 January 1935 - President Emeritus of the Governorate of Vatican City State
• Paul Josef Cordes (Germany) - born 5 September 1934 - President Emeritus of the Pontifical Council Cor Unum
• Angelo Comastri (Italy) - born 17 September 1943 - Archpriest of St. Peter's Basilica, Vicar General for the Vatican City State, and President of the Fabric of St. Peter
• Stanisław Ryłko (Poland) - born 4 July 1945 - President of the Pontifical Council for the Laity

Consistory of 20 November 2010
• Angelo Amato (Italy) - born 8 June 1938 - Prefect of the Congregation for the Causes of Saints
• Robert Sarah (Guinea) - born 15 June 1945 - President of the Pontifical Council Cor Unum
• Francesco Monterisi (Italy) - born 28 May 1934 - Archpriest Emeritus of the Basilica of Saint Paul Outside the Walls
• Raymond Leo Burke (United States) - born 30 June 1948 - Prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura
• Kurt Koch (Switzerland) - born 15 March 1950 - President of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity
• Paolo Sardi (Italy) - born 1 September 1934 - Patron of the Sovereign Military Order of Malta
• Mauro Piacenza (Italy) - born 15 September 1944 - Prefect of the Congregation for the Clergy
• Velasio de Paolis (Italy) - born 19 September 1935 - President Emeritus of the Prefecture for the Economic Affairs of the Holy See
• Gianfranco Ravasi (Italy) - born 18 October 1942 - President of the Pontifical Council for Culture
Consistory of 18 February 2012
• Fernando Filoni (Italy) - born 15 April 1946 - Prefect of the Congregation for the Evangelization of Peoples
• Manuel Monteiro de Castro (Portugal) - born 29 March 1938 - Major Penitentiary
• Santos Abril y Castelló (Spain) - born 21 September 1935 - Archpriest of the Basilica di Santa Maria Maggiore
• Antonio Maria Vegliò (Italy) - born 3 February 1938 - President of the Pontifical Council for the Pastoral Care of Migrants and Itinerants
• Giuseppe Bertello (Italy) - born 1 October 1942 - President of the Pontifical Commission for Vatican City State
• Francesco Coccopalmerio (Italy) - born 6 March 1938 - President of the Pontifical Council for Legislative Texts
• João Braz de Aviz (Brazil) - born 24 April 1947 - Prefect of the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life
• Edwin Frederick O'Brien (United States) - born 8 April 1939 - Grand Master of the Equestrian Order of the Holy Sepulchre of Jerusalem
• Domenico Calcagno (Italy) - born 3 February 1943 - President of the Administration of the Patrimony of the Apostolic See
• Giuseppe Versaldi (Italy) - born 30 July 1943 - President of the Prefecture for the Economic Affairs of the Holy See

Consistory of 24 November 2012
• James Michael Harvey (United States) - born 20 October 1949 - Archpriest of the Basilica of Saint Paul Outside the Walls
 
2013-02-11 12:29:47 PM
www.nndb.com

AWESOME!!!!
 
2013-02-11 12:29:54 PM

Quasar: [i1.kym-cdn.com image 300x271]


Came for that.
 
2013-02-11 12:31:20 PM
I can't believe Palpatine is stepping down.
 
2013-02-11 12:31:35 PM

Barfmaker: nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.

Perhaps someone from Kenya...


3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-11 12:33:03 PM
Totally gotta be Dolan. The memes are even pre-made; it'll be better than Pope Palpatine.
 
2013-02-11 12:34:20 PM
His hands are brown with boy sex cover ups, no American is ever going to be Pope.
 
2013-02-11 12:35:00 PM

vernonFL: Dolan should be on trial for child abuse.


That's why he's considered a leading candidate for the position.
 
2013-02-11 12:35:11 PM
I'm hoping for a Canadian Pope with robes made of Beaver Pelts.
 
2013-02-11 12:35:20 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Here's your list of electors


Whoa, I haven't seen that many born in the 30s and 40s since my last car show.
 
2013-02-11 12:35:48 PM
I've never thought of the Cardinals as the brightest group on the planet, but surely they wouldn't be dumb enough to put an asshole like Dolan in charge...

Right?
 
2013-02-11 12:35:58 PM
Gooby pls
 
2013-02-11 12:36:09 PM

FlashHarry: nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.

i wonder how that will play in new york and boston.


They'll demand to see his birth certificate.
 
2013-02-11 12:36:15 PM

Barfmaker: nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.

Perhaps someone from Kenya...


Once upon a time Doc Goddard said "Is the Pope Muslim?" to imply the negative and I popped up with "Yes he is!" because we had been playing "Spawn a conspiracy theory" all semester.

So, my old joke conspiracy theory might become mainstream. And it might be fun to watch a whole generation of older Catholics die of aneurysms and strokes overnight.
 
2013-02-11 12:36:30 PM
I'm calling it for Central or South America.  They can pick a conservative, which is in keeping with their recent history, but show some progressive thought by aiming a little darker.  Not BLACK darker, mind you.  Just a little tanner than the current Sith lord.
 
2013-02-11 12:36:43 PM
Unfortunately, this guy took himself out of the running:
img2-3.timeinc.net
 
2013-02-11 12:37:09 PM

nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.



obligatory "but you'll only be 3/5ths absolved of sin after Mass" joke
 
2013-02-11 12:37:21 PM
I would nominate  The Reverend E.P. Nesbitt...

www.antitheistdaily.com
 
2013-02-11 12:37:35 PM

HotWingConspiracy: His hands are brown with boy sex cover ups, no American is ever going to be Pope.


Yeah, the boy sex coverup has nothing to do with no American ever becoming pope.  The Europeans just won't allow it on principle alone.
 
2013-02-11 12:37:59 PM

Millennium: Totally gotta be Dolan. The memes are even pre-made; it'll be better than Pope Palpatine.


So I don't know a whole lot about the catholic church and don't really follow much on it, but isn't he one of the people who was heavily involved in covering for sexually-abusive priests, or is that another guy?
 
2013-02-11 12:38:09 PM

nekom: FlashHarry: nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.

i wonder how that will play in new york and boston.

I don't know, but that was something they were REALLY talking about last time, after JP2 died. They wound up going with a pretty bland and generic choice, many thought the decision was largely based on the fact that he wouldn't be pope too long. Maybe now they'll try their hip new pope strategy.

/or South American, maybe


Yup. Like I was saying late in the other thread: The next pope will be from the southern hemisphere. I'd bet my first communion money on it. The Church has no more ground to gain in Europe or anywhere else in the West.
 
2013-02-11 12:38:15 PM

Barfmaker: nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.

Perhaps someone from Kenya...


Can a saint be a pope, or does it only work the other way 'round?
 
2013-02-11 12:38:27 PM

GAT_00: nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.

I really don't see the cardinals doing that.  I can't imagine any of the European or North American popes voting for an African pope.  The voting still is biased towards Europe and NA despite populations if memory serves.


and most living Americans just a few years ago would never have imagined a black POTUS in their lifetime either.
 
2013-02-11 12:38:43 PM

Quasar: [i1.kym-cdn.com image 300x271]


Made this after the DNC and RNC.
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2013-02-11 12:38:46 PM
Line them all up and whoever gets to the little boy first wins.
 
2013-02-11 12:39:09 PM

ArgusRun: Not BLACK darker, mind you.



Italy will never let that happen.  they can't even have football matches without racial abuse at players ON THEIR OWN DAMN TEAM.

no way God's / the Holy Ghost's / Christ's emissary on Earth is a black dude.
 
2013-02-11 12:39:16 PM

Quasar: [i1.kym-cdn.com image 300x271]



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2013-02-11 12:39:45 PM
I'm thinking it will be an Italian, and he will be amazingly corrupt.
 
2013-02-11 12:39:53 PM

timswar: I've never thought of the Cardinals as the brightest group on the planet, but surely they wouldn't be dumb enough to put an asshole like Dolan in charge...

Right?


Why is he an asshole? pls cite examples when laying such a charge on a holy man.
 
2013-02-11 12:39:56 PM

Kurmudgeon: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Here's your list of electors

Whoa, I haven't seen that many born in the 30s and 40s since my last car show.


And that's just all the Electors.  There are plenty more Cardinals that were born in the '10s, '20s, & '30s that are just ineligible to vote (but who could still become Pope).
 
2013-02-11 12:40:21 PM
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2013-02-11 12:40:29 PM

xanadian: They're betting on who will be the next Pope.  Actual odds and everything.

And me with no bookie nearby. :/


The contenders in line for Pope

Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga (Honduras) +700
Francis Arinze (Nigeria) +1000
Angelo Scola (Venice) +600
Jorge Mario Bergoglio (Argentina) +900
Cristoph Von Schoenborn (Austria) +700
Tarcisio Bertone (Italy) +1000
Dionigi Tettamanzi (Italy) +1000
Claudio Hummes (Brazil) +1200
Francisco Javier Errazuriz (Chile) +1400
Karl Lehmann (Germany) +1600
Cardiani Ruini (Italy) +2000
Attilio Cardinal Nicora (Roman Curia) +2000
Norberto Rivera Carrera (Mexico) +2000
Wilfred Napier (South Africa) +2000
Jose Da Cruz Policar (Portugal) +2000
Jaime Lucas Ortega y Alamino (Cuba) +2000
Renato Martino (Italy) +2000
Ivan Dias (India) +2500
Angelo Sodano (Italy) +2500
Antonio Maria Rouco Var (Spain) +3000
Phillippe Barbarin (France) +3000
Giacomo Biffi (Italy) +4000
Cormac Murphy O'Connor (United Kingdom) +4000
Giovanni Battista Re (Italy) +4000
Godfried Danneels (Belgium) +4000
Geraldo Majella Agnelo (Brazil) +4000
Dario Castrillon Hoyos (Colombia) +3000
Walter Kasper (Germany) +5000
Lopez Rodriguez (Dominican Republic) +5000
Keith O Brien (Scotland) +5000
Jean Marie Lustiger (France) +5000
George Pell (Australia) +5000
Amigo Vallejo (Spain) +5000
Francis George (USA) +5000
Carlo Maria Matini (Italy) +3000
Silvano Piovanelli (Italy) +4000
 
2013-02-11 12:40:50 PM
Why is it that when I see the word "papabile" in that story, I'm reading "pedophile"?
 
2013-02-11 12:40:52 PM

walkerhound: Barfmaker: nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.

Perhaps someone from Kenya...

Can a saint be a pope, or does it only work the other way 'round?


You gotta be dead to be a Saint.
 
2013-02-11 12:41:44 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: walkerhound: Barfmaker: nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.

Perhaps someone from Kenya...

Can a saint be a pope, or does it only work the other way 'round?

You gotta be dead to be a Saint.


And shot out of a canon or something...
 
2013-02-11 12:41:57 PM
www.fathersarducci.com

If we need a Pope from New York, why not get one who returned his wallet.

/Yes I am old
 
2013-02-11 12:42:23 PM

Ponzholio: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: walkerhound: Barfmaker: nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.

Perhaps someone from Kenya...

Can a saint be a pope, or does it only work the other way 'round?

You gotta be dead to be a Saint.

And shot out of a canon or something...


No, canon law forbids it.
 
2013-02-11 12:42:35 PM
I'm betting we get our first Canadian Pope in the form of Marc Ouellet. Lots of pressure to choose a non-European, and this is a way for them to keep the papacy white and still give a nod to the rest of the world (without worrying about the anti-American sentiment surrounding Dolan).

I'd love to see the first black Pope though.
 
2013-02-11 12:43:26 PM

SuperNinjaToad: timswar: I've never thought of the Cardinals as the brightest group on the planet, but surely they wouldn't be dumb enough to put an asshole like Dolan in charge...

Right?

Why is he an asshole? pls cite examples when laying such a charge on a holy man.


Well, there's that "prank" he played on his uncel scroodge...
 
2013-02-11 12:43:30 PM
I bet he can lick any boy in this room.
 
2013-02-11 12:43:35 PM

Supes: I'd love to see the first black Pope though.


Nah, the Jesuits don't want it.
 
2013-02-11 12:44:19 PM
"And the next most powerful man in the world is..."

The Pope? How many divisions does he have?

/hopefully not obscure
 
2013-02-11 12:44:57 PM
Is Obama eligible?
 
2013-02-11 12:45:03 PM

Stone Meadow: "And the next most powerful man in the world is..."

The Pope? How many divisions does he have?

/hopefully not obscure


Move along.  You're Stalin' the thread.
 
2013-02-11 12:45:19 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Ponzholio: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: walkerhound: Barfmaker: nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.

Perhaps someone from Kenya...

Can a saint be a pope, or does it only work the other way 'round?

You gotta be dead to be a Saint.

And shot out of a canon or something...

No, canon law forbids it.


I was just going for a little canon fodder.
 
2013-02-11 12:45:42 PM

sab6300: Is Obama eligible?


As a heretic, he is not.
 
2013-02-11 12:46:52 PM

Ponzholio: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Ponzholio: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: walkerhound: Barfmaker: nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.

Perhaps someone from Kenya...

Can a saint be a pope, or does it only work the other way 'round?

You gotta be dead to be a Saint.

And shot out of a canon or something...

No, canon law forbids it.

I was just going for a little canon fodder.


Wouldn't a missal attack be more appropriate?
 
2013-02-11 12:48:26 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: sab6300: Is Obama eligible?

As a heretic, he is not.


How about Mitt?  He's white, super religious, and currently without employment.  We just had our first Sith Lord Pope, I think its time for our first Mormon Pope.
 
2013-02-11 12:49:22 PM
You heard it hear first - they will elect the first She-Pope, or Popestress, as is tradition.
 
2013-02-11 12:49:56 PM

sab6300: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: sab6300: Is Obama eligible?

As a heretic, he is not.

How about Mitt?  He's white, super religious, and currently without employment.  We just had our first Sith Lord Pope, I think its time for our first Mormon Pope.


Even worse than Obama.

/I think Joe Biden is eligible, though.
 
2013-02-11 12:50:53 PM
If it were up to me, The Wiz would be the new pope.

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/ he's the Wiz
 
2013-02-11 12:51:16 PM

rickythepenguin: ArgusRun: Not BLACK darker, mind you.


Italy will never let that happen.  they can't even have football matches without racial abuse at players ON THEIR OWN DAMN TEAM.

no way God's / the Holy Ghost's / Christ's emissary on Earth is a black dude.


barenakedcritic.files.wordpress.com

/Would like a word.
 
2013-02-11 12:51:36 PM
media.irishcentral.com

Everyone, meet the new face of child rape.
 
2013-02-11 12:51:43 PM

walkerhound: Barfmaker: nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.

Perhaps someone from Kenya...

Can a saint be a pope, or does it only work the other way 'round?


You can't be alive and be a saint at the same time.
 
2013-02-11 12:52:04 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Stone Meadow: "And the next most powerful man in the world is..."

The Pope? How many divisions does he have?

/hopefully not obscure

Move along.  You're Stalin' the thread.


Well played, sir. [slowclap.jpg]
 
2013-02-11 12:52:35 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: sab6300: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: sab6300: Is Obama eligible?

As a heretic, he is not.

How about Mitt?  He's white, super religious, and currently without employment.  We just had our first Sith Lord Pope, I think its time for our first Mormon Pope.

Even worse than Obama.

/I think Joe Biden is eligible, though.


Oh my god, can you imagine? The shirtless Pope washing his Trans Am in the Vatican driveway?
 
2013-02-11 12:53:15 PM
Badda bing, badda boom, the fix is in.
vaticaninsider.lastampa.it
 
2013-02-11 12:53:45 PM

nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope.


video1.ui-portal.de

Approves.
 
2013-02-11 12:54:07 PM

Chinchillazilla: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: sab6300: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: sab6300: Is Obama eligible?

As a heretic, he is not.

How about Mitt?  He's white, super religious, and currently without employment.  We just had our first Sith Lord Pope, I think its time for our first Mormon Pope.

Even worse than Obama.

/I think Joe Biden is eligible, though.

Oh my god, can you imagine? The shirtless Pope washing his Trans Am in the Vatican driveway?

lol.  It wouldn't work though because I don't think Amtrak runs from Delaware to Italy
 
2013-02-11 12:54:16 PM
So why IS the pope resigning? Is he about to be named the next president of Penn State?
 
2013-02-11 12:56:52 PM

Tom_Slick: [www.fathersarducci.com image 419x525]

If we need a Pope from New York, why not get one who returned his wallet.

/Yes I am old


"Find the Pope in the pizza!"
 
2013-02-11 12:56:57 PM

SuperNinjaToad:
and most living Americans just a few years ago would never have imagined a black POTUS in their lifetime either.


That's a very good point. It was going to be a Hillray v. 9ui11iani showdown, book it, done. No one really thought a black President was in the cards. This is a little bit different, though, in that the choice is (I would imagine) going to be about the direction of the church. Where they are trying to gain ground, what message they are trying to deliver, who is best for the church. Obama just sort of happened. No pun intended, he was a dark horse candidate, not unlike a certain little known Arkansas governor in the early 90s. This is going to be all about what a bunch of old priests think the direction of the church should be.
 
2013-02-11 12:57:02 PM
The Pope hasn't been the most powerful man in the world since @ 1533. He's hasn't even been the most powerful Catholic in the world since 1960.
 
2013-02-11 12:57:04 PM

FatherChaos: [media.irishcentral.com image 419x279]

Everyone, meet the new face of child rape.


assets.nydailynews.com
 
2013-02-11 12:57:50 PM
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
Didn't some town just lose their 100 year old croc? If he comes back in three days, you won't think this is so funny.
 
2013-02-11 12:58:03 PM
Only the Canadian media is touting Ouellet as a frontrunner. Frankly, RuPaul has a better chance of being elected than Ouellet. The inability to grow the church in North America pretty much kills any chance of the NA cardinals from being elected - whether they covered up molestation or not. Add in the very liberal bent of catholics in Quebec, which the Vatican sees as Ouellet's inability to influence his own flock. The smart money is on a pontif from South America or Africa.
 
2013-02-11 12:58:24 PM

Kurmudgeon: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Here's your list of electors

Whoa, I haven't seen that many born in the 30s and 40s since my last car show.


You must not be in the midwest. Last show I went to filled 3 halls. The entire stock pre-1950 class consisted of 3 cars.
 
2013-02-11 12:59:21 PM
Unless they elect somebody that is going to start hanging motherfarkers by the neck until dead for molesting children, the Catholic Boy Molestation Society can go straight to hell as far as I'm concerned.


But that's not going to happen because the leadership in that organization is corrupt and straight up EVIL.
 
2013-02-11 12:59:23 PM

Ponzholio: Jorge Mario Bergoglio (Argentina) +900
Cristoph Von Schoenborn (Austria) +700
Claudio Hummes (Brazil) +1200
Francisco Javier Errazuriz (Chile) +1400
Karl Lehmann (Germany) +1600
Cardiani Ruini (Italy) +2000
Attilio Cardinal Nicora (Roman Curia) +2000
Norberto Rivera Carrera (Mexico) +2000
Wilfred Napier (South Africa) +2000
Jaime Lucas Ortega y Alamino (Cuba) +2000
Ivan Dias (India) +2500
Angelo Sodano (Italy) +2500
Geraldo Majella Agnelo (Brazil) +4000
Lopez Rodriguez (Dominican Republic) +5000
Jean Marie Lustiger (France) +5000


Schoenborn is intriguing but that's a sucker's bet.  I like the value that Dias brings, as the first Indian pope would be good for the church, but don't sleep on Alamino.  He's taken some bold choices in Cuba and at +2000, that's a good value pick.  A lot of folks like Sodano but he hasn't paid his dues.  Lehman is the conservative choice but back-to-back Germans?  No way.  Stay away from that one.

I'm thinking of a parlay with either Dias or Agnelo (I really like this kid, he's got lots of upside) and Tiger Woods at the Accenture Match Play.  He traditionally plays pretty well and I think that could be a great value pick.  or maybe Errazuriz.  He's very versatile but has that old school convservatism that will "play" in Italy.  He's a bit unorthodox but i see some value there.  I wouldn't be surprised to see him shift to maybe +1300, maybe even +1200.
 
2013-02-11 01:00:02 PM

thepeterd: Badda bing, badda boom, the fix is in.
vaticaninsider.lastampa.it

I don't know how many people have read the Hyperion Cantos, but that guy looks like what I imagined the fat, evil cardinal Lourdusamy who was pulling the strings behind the evil incarnation of the Catholic church of the future to look like.
 
2013-02-11 01:01:14 PM

SuperNinjaToad: timswar: I've never thought of the Cardinals as the brightest group on the planet, but surely they wouldn't be dumb enough to put an asshole like Dolan in charge...

Right?

Why is he an asshole? pls cite examples when laying such a charge on a holy man.


Asked and answered.
 
2013-02-11 01:01:45 PM
mbillips
The Pope hasn't been the most powerful man in the world since @ 1533. He's hasn't even been the most powerful Catholic in the world since 1960.


Shhhh. Don't tell the non Catholics that. They think he can summon lightning with his staff and his Pope hat allows him to fly. Dodge bullets? Not so much. New technology verses old skills.
 
2013-02-11 01:01:59 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: You heard it hear first - they will elect the first She-Pope, or Popestress, as is tradition.


Second female pope.
 
2013-02-11 01:02:00 PM
There's not a Pope-damned chance that there's going to be a black/African pope in my lifetime.
 
2013-02-11 01:02:23 PM

Huck And Molly Ziegler: So why IS the pope resigning?


Honestly, I think the reason given (failing health) is probably true.  He took the job, but he later admitted that he prayed that God wouldn't let him be elected.  He's indicated in the past that he thinks that Popes should be able to resign for health reasons.  The guy is 85 and there are reports that he has some sort of neurological disease. I can't imagine the kind of stresses he must be under, but it's probably less than the POTUS, but more than the Queen of England.

If there's some connection to the pedophilia scandal, it's probably that he's not physically strong enough to deal with it effectively as a leader and that younger(!) blood needs to be brought in.
 
2013-02-11 01:02:43 PM
Why hasn't there been a black Pope yet? Was it Gods will?
 
2013-02-11 01:04:01 PM
His mouth sure is purdy!
media.irishcentral.com
 
2013-02-11 01:05:12 PM

SuperNinjaToad: GAT_00: nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.

I really don't see the cardinals doing that.  I can't imagine any of the European or North American popes voting for an African pope.  The voting still is biased towards Europe and NA despite populations if memory serves.

and most living Americans just a few years ago would never have imagined a black POTUS in their lifetime either.


Because there are a large number of progressive Catholic electors.
 
2013-02-11 01:05:56 PM

Vodka Zombie: I'm thinking it will be an Italian, and he will be amazingly corrupt.


You're being redundant.
 
2013-02-11 01:05:58 PM
Dolan?!  Pssh, please.  He wore out his welcome in Milwaukee, then got all but run out of St. Louis after the St. Stanislaus fiasco.  and don't even get STL folks started on the other mess he got caught in - redirecting weekly donations to fund Prop 8 fights in CA and anti-gay measures in Maine.

He may not have worn out his welcome yet in NYC, but there are whole swaths of the Midwest that wouldn't give him the time of day.
 
2013-02-11 01:06:02 PM
I don't know the name, but I'm going to go way out on a limb here and predict that the next pope will be an archconservative who thinks that stopping gay marriage, birth control, and uppity nuns is WAY more important than feeding the hungry and nursing the sick. Or, god forbid, ensuring that child molesters get kicked out of the priesthood.

I know, call me crazy.
 
2013-02-11 01:06:13 PM

gestug: Why hasn't there been a black Pope yet? Was it Gods will?


There have, however, been 3 African Popes: St. Victor I,  St. Militiades & St. Gelasius.
 
2013-02-11 01:06:14 PM
If they're picking one from New York, why not the guy in Greenwich Village?
 
2013-02-11 01:06:49 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Huck And Molly Ziegler: So why IS the pope resigning?

Honestly, I think the reason given (failing health) is probably true.  He took the job, but he later admitted that he prayed that God wouldn't let him be elected.  He's indicated in the past that he thinks that Popes should be able to resign for health reasons.  The guy is 85 and there are reports that he has some sort of neurological disease. I can't imagine the kind of stresses he must be under, but it's probably less than the POTUS, but more than the Queen of England.

If there's some connection to the pedophilia scandal, it's probably that he's not physically strong enough to deal with it effectively as a leader and that younger(!) blood needs to be brought in.


yeah, the stress of what to do when the child abuse and financial scandals finally blow up in the Vatican's faces.
 
2013-02-11 01:07:58 PM

GAT_00: Because there are a large number of progressive Catholic electors.


By "progressive" you mean African electors who call for the execution of homoqueers, right? ;)
 
2013-02-11 01:08:18 PM

Pennsylvania Dutch Oven: Only the Canadian media is touting Ouellet as a frontrunner. Frankly, RuPaul has a better chance of being elected than Ouellet. The inability to grow the church in North America pretty much kills any chance of the NA cardinals from being elected - whether they covered up molestation or not. Add in the very liberal bent of catholics in Quebec, which the Vatican sees as Ouellet's inability to influence his own flock. The smart money is on a pontif from South America or Africa.


He's currently #2 on Paddy Power's odds, though he's down to 7-2 from the 3-1 he was at 20 minutes ago.
 
2013-02-11 01:08:40 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Huck And Molly Ziegler: So why IS the pope resigning?

Honestly, I think the reason given (failing health) is probably true.  He took the job, but he later admitted that he prayed that God wouldn't let him be elected.  He's indicated in the past that he thinks that Popes should be able to resign for health reasons.  The guy is 85 and there are reports that he has some sort of neurological disease. I can't imagine the kind of stresses he must be under, but it's probably less than the POTUS, but more than the Queen of England.

If there's some connection to the pedophilia scandal, it's probably that he's not physically strong enough to deal with it effectively as a leader and that younger(!) blood needs to be brought in.

yeah, the stress of what to do when the child abuse and financial scandals finally blow up in the Vatican's faces.


I'm not trying not to assign judgement, but yeah, that would do it.
 
2013-02-11 01:09:41 PM

Stone Meadow: GAT_00: Because there are a large number of progressive Catholic electors.

By "progressive" you mean African electors who call for the execution of homoqueers, right? ;)


media.skateboard.com.au
 
2013-02-11 01:10:03 PM
On a different note, on Paddy Power you can also bet on the next pope being Richard Dawkins.

They've put the odds at 666:1.
 
2013-02-11 01:11:50 PM

gestug: Why hasn't there been a black Pope yet? Was it Gods will?


You forgot about the Superior General of the Society of Jesus?
 
2013-02-11 01:12:21 PM

mbillips: Stone Meadow: GAT_00: Because there are a large number of progressive Catholic electors.

By "progressive" you mean African electors who call for the execution of homoqueers, right? ;)

[media.skateboard.com.au image 452x339]


Hey, you can never tell with GAT. ;)
 
2013-02-11 01:13:00 PM

kevinatilusa: Pennsylvania Dutch Oven: Only the Canadian media is touting Ouellet as a frontrunner. Frankly, RuPaul has a better chance of being elected than Ouellet. The inability to grow the church in North America pretty much kills any chance of the NA cardinals from being elected - whether they covered up molestation or not. Add in the very liberal bent of catholics in Quebec, which the Vatican sees as Ouellet's inability to influence his own flock. The smart money is on a pontif from South America or Africa.

He's currently #2 on Paddy Power's odds, though he's down to 7-2 from the 3-1 he was at 20 minutes ago.


You know, the irony meter would implode if the next pope came from Africa, and then he proceeded to tell us all that condoms were still evil.  In fact, the Vatican's refusal to encourage proper condom usage has killed tens of thousands throughout Africa over the years, and any African pope would have stood by silently the entire time this was going on.
 
2013-02-11 01:13:56 PM

Contrabulous Flabtraption: You heard it hear first - they will elect the first She-Pope, or Popestress, as is tradition.


You're too late:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Joan

There's a reason why Jeremy Irons had to sit on a fake toilet and have his junk grabbed in 'The Borgias'...
 
2013-02-11 01:15:24 PM

kevinatilusa: On a different note, on Paddy Power you can also bet on the next pope being Richard Dawkins.

They've put the odds at 666:1.


I have ten dollars on Doogle McGuire (Ireland)
 
2013-02-11 01:18:44 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-11 01:22:02 PM
Did anyone else read the headline as Timothy Dalton at first?
 
2013-02-11 01:22:49 PM

kombat_unit: Gooby pls

 
2013-02-11 01:25:03 PM

Last Man on Earth: Did anyone else read the headline as Timothy Dalton at first?


Would he get to keep his Time Lord powers and outfit?
www.slantmagazine.com
 
2013-02-11 01:27:45 PM

RminusQ: There's not a Pope-damned chance that there's going to be a black/African pope in my lifetime.


We said that with the Presidency. And yet Arinze is sitting there at some of the lowest odds on the board. Remember, there is no Tea Party faction in the College of Cardinals.
 
2013-02-11 01:30:49 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Huck And Molly Ziegler: So why IS the pope resigning?

Honestly, I think the reason given (failing health) is probably true.  He took the job, but he later admitted that he prayed that God wouldn't let him be elected.  He's indicated in the past that he thinks that Popes should be able to resign for health reasons.  The guy is 85 and there are reports that he has some sort of neurological disease. I can't imagine the kind of stresses he must be under, but it's probably less than the POTUS, but more than the Queen of England.

If there's some connection to the pedophilia scandal, it's probably that he's not physically strong enough to deal with it effectively as a leader and that younger(!) blood needs to be brought in.


Sometimes people just know when to quit. The Queen of the Netherlands recently abdicated to her son because of her age. Now true neither the pope nor a European Queen have the same pressures as actual world leaders, but being pope would be a tall order for an older person. Lots of masses, lots of good will visits, etc.

The kiddy diddling scandal certainly predates him, but it still hasn't been properly addressed in my opinion. By properly addressed I mean a full public apology, followed by forwarding any and all incriminating evidence against child molesters to the proper authorities. It's just like the Penn State scandal, child rape is NOT something to be "handled internally". Maybe the new pope man will address it better.
 
2013-02-11 01:31:44 PM
You are all talking about this like it was important. Why should I (or anyone) care about who will be the next Pope? Does it change anything?
 
2013-02-11 01:36:53 PM

Gosling: RminusQ: There's not a Pope-damned chance that there's going to be a black/African pope in my lifetime.

We said that with the Presidency. And yet Arinze is sitting there at some of the lowest odds on the board. Remember, there is no Tea Party faction in the College of Cardinals.


Except that the College of Cardinals are even more self-interested than American voters.

The Italian/European Cardinals are afraid that a South American or African Pope would decentralize the bureaucracy, grant Cardinals more autonomy, ultimately taking a lot of power away from Rome.
 
2013-02-11 01:37:35 PM
That guy should just give himself the best odds, then we can have Pope Power! Pope Paddy Power!
/yeah I know that's not how it works.
 
2013-02-11 01:38:09 PM

Stone Meadow: "And the next most powerful man in the world is..."

The Pope? How many divisions does he have?

/hopefully not obscure


From a (possibly) more obscure game: "  A hundred years before, Stalin had asked derisively "How many divisions does the Pope have?" In 2045, Rome housed three, including Magna Veritas, acknowledged as the continent's elite. The battalion-strength Vatican Guard was the best of the best, each member individually drawn from across the Federation, with selection based on both combat skill and the strength of their religious devotion."
 
2013-02-11 01:38:39 PM

Stone Meadow: mbillips: Stone Meadow: GAT_00: Because there are a large number of progressive Catholic electors.

By "progressive" you mean African electors who call for the execution of homoqueers, right? ;)

[media.skateboard.com.au image 452x339]

Hey, you can never tell with GAT. ;)


Thanks for slandering me with utter bullshiat because you can't grasp sarcasm.
 
2013-02-11 01:42:55 PM

nekom: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Huck And Molly Ziegler: So why IS the pope resigning?

Honestly, I think the reason given (failing health) is probably true.  He took the job, but he later admitted that he prayed that God wouldn't let him be elected.  He's indicated in the past that he thinks that Popes should be able to resign for health reasons.  The guy is 85 and there are reports that he has some sort of neurological disease. I can't imagine the kind of stresses he must be under, but it's probably less than the POTUS, but more than the Queen of England.

If there's some connection to the pedophilia scandal, it's probably that he's not physically strong enough to deal with it effectively as a leader and that younger(!) blood needs to be brought in.

Sometimes people just know when to quit. The Queen of the Netherlands recently abdicated to her son because of her age. Now true neither the pope nor a European Queen have the same pressures as actual world leaders, but being pope would be a tall order for an older person. Lots of masses, lots of good will visits, etc.


His doctors just recently recommended that he no longer make long distance flights, either over the Atlantic or the Pacific. Considering his past remarks, it would appear that once he was limited in what he could do in his office, he knew he needed to step down.
 
2013-02-11 01:43:05 PM

vernonFL: Dolan should be on trial for child abuse.


Wha?
 
2013-02-11 01:43:37 PM

traylor: You are all talking about this like it was important. Why should I (or anyone) care about who will be the next Pope? Does it change anything?


It potentially could.  Another old-school conservative pope like Benedict would really change nothing, but if a more progressive pope was elected, it could have some effects.  Imagine the current birth control debate in America if Dolan had been told by his superior to back off a bit.  I don't see anyone even moderately progressive being elected, but it would be nice.
 
2013-02-11 01:43:51 PM

traylor: You are all talking about this like it was important. Why should I (or anyone) care about who will be the next Pope? Does it change anything?


The hell else are we supposed to discuss here? lolcats?
 
2013-02-11 01:44:51 PM
"Deteriorating strength" must be latin for "Getting out of Dodge before everyone finds out what the church has done this time"
 
2013-02-11 01:45:07 PM

pkellmey: His doctors just recently recommended that he no longer make long distance flights, either over the Atlantic or the Pacific. Considering his past remarks, it would appear that once he was limited in what he could do in his office, he knew he needed to step down.


And honestly this is great precedent to set. There's absolutely no reason a pope should have to serve up until his death.
 
2013-02-11 01:45:41 PM

GAT_00: Stone Meadow: mbillips: Stone Meadow: GAT_00: Because there are a large number of progressive Catholic electors.

By "progressive" you mean African electors who call for the execution of homoqueers, right? ;)

[media.skateboard.com.au image 452x339]

Hey, you can never tell with GAT. ;)

Thanks for slandering me with utter bullshiat because you can't grasp sarcasm.


See...whu'd I tell ya? ;^)
 
2013-02-11 01:46:41 PM

NeoCortex42: Would he get to keep his Time Lord powers and outfit?


4.bp.blogspot.com

He's the hero we need. Not the hero we want. And he can take him.
 
2013-02-11 01:48:18 PM
So when the Pope resigns, can he be arrested and charged with child abuse?
 
2013-02-11 01:49:38 PM

BronyMedic: NeoCortex42: Would he get to keep his Time Lord powers and outfit?

[4.bp.blogspot.com image 500x475]

He's the hero we need. Not the hero we want. And he can take him.


I don't know if it's the camera angle or what, but it looks like he's got a Flock of Seagulls thing going on there.
 
2013-02-11 01:51:48 PM

NeoCortex42: I don't know if it's the camera angle or what, but it looks like he's got a Flock of Seagulls thing going on there.


And the weird thing is that Matt Smith pulls it off well.
 
2013-02-11 01:54:06 PM
At the risk of being that guy who injects politics in every thread, a black pope would be yet another nail in the Republican coffin. Having grown up in the South, I can tell your first hand that Catholics are not well liked down here. But due to abortion, there is an uneasy religious alliance between Catholics and the quirky southern flavored Protestant churches. A black pope would make the southern wing of the party go absolutely bonkers. Many Catholics are already uneasy about being involved with Republicans because other than sex and family matters, most Republican policies are contrary to Catholic (and should also be Christian) beliefs. The Catholic bashing from the southern Republicans would be of epic proportions.

I'm not sure which group would end up keeping the GOP and which would wander off to form their own party but it's very unlikely that the election of an African pope would be without consequences to this unholy holy alliance of southern Protestants and northeastern Catholics.
 
2013-02-11 01:56:54 PM

nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.



Nah... Then the Vatican would war with Gwar and Oderus would have to kill him.
 
2013-02-11 01:57:43 PM
I love how the press keeps reporting on this whole "Pope tenders resignation" thing as a "biiiiig shock".

The Pope says something on the order that he lacks the strength of mind and body to be Pope any longer.  Back when the Cardinals picked him, they did so precisely for this reason- he was unlikely to rock the boat.

Shocking indeed.
 
2013-02-11 01:58:41 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Dolan?!  Pssh, please.  He wore out his welcome in Milwaukee, then got all but run out of St. Louis after the St. Stanislaus fiasco.  and don't even get STL folks started on the other mess he got caught in - redirecting weekly donations to fund Prop 8 fights in CA and anti-gay measures in Maine.

He may not have worn out his welcome yet in NYC, but there are whole swaths of the Midwest that wouldn't give him the time of day.


You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.  He was perhaps the most loved bishop of all time in Milwaukee (or a close second).
 
2013-02-11 02:01:37 PM

SkunkWerks: I love how the press keeps reporting on this whole "Pope tenders resignation" thing as a "biiiiig shock".


The big shock is that he's choosing to resign (during Lent of all times), instead of dying in office.
 
2013-02-11 02:05:51 PM
Put me down for someone from Latin America.
 
2013-02-11 02:06:53 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: Dolan?!  Pssh, please.  He wore out his welcome in Milwaukee, then got all but run out of St. Louis after the St. Stanislaus fiasco.  and don't even get STL folks started on the other mess he got caught in - redirecting weekly donations to fund Prop 8 fights in CA and anti-gay measures in Maine.


Not sure if you're getting him confused with this guy who also was a massive douche:

 • Raymond Leo Burke (United States) - born 30 June 1948 - Prefect of the Supreme Tribunal of the Apostolic Signatura

Yep..he gets a say in who the next pope is.

The same guy that refused to attend a fundraiser for a local hospital because the entertainment was Sheryl Crow who just happens to be Pro-Choice.

He had a large part in helping me become apathetic about my Catholic faith.
 
2013-02-11 02:07:43 PM

Truther: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Dolan?!  Pssh, please.  He wore out his welcome in Milwaukee, then got all but run out of St. Louis after the St. Stanislaus fiasco.  and don't even get STL folks started on the other mess he got caught in - redirecting weekly donations to fund Prop 8 fights in CA and anti-gay measures in Maine.

He may not have worn out his welcome yet in NYC, but there are whole swaths of the Midwest that wouldn't give him the time of day.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.  He was perhaps the most loved bishop of all time in Milwaukee (or a close second).


Yep, as someone from St. Louis, I know very few active Catholics in the area who did not like the man. The local media didn't like his stance on interviews which is why they even admitted to going after him on a lot of topics, but their views never matter.
 
2013-02-11 02:07:58 PM

SuperNinjaToad: timswar: I've never thought of the Cardinals as the brightest group on the planet, but surely they wouldn't be dumb enough to put an asshole like Dolan in charge...

Right?

Why is he an asshole? pls cite examples when laying such a charge on a holy man.


He's one of those "The only way to get into heaven is to vote Republican" *wink wink nudge nudge* types.

Same as Burke.
 
2013-02-11 02:08:53 PM

EngineerAU: At the risk of being that guy who injects politics in every thread, a black pope would be yet another nail in the Republican coffin. Having grown up in the South, I can tell your first hand that Catholics are not well liked down here. But due to abortion, there is an uneasy religious alliance between Catholics and the quirky southern flavored Protestant churches. A black pope would make the southern wing of the party go absolutely bonkers. Many Catholics are already uneasy about being involved with Republicans because other than sex and family matters, most Republican policies are contrary to Catholic (and should also be Christian) beliefs. The Catholic bashing from the southern Republicans would be of epic proportions.

I'm not sure which group would end up keeping the GOP and which would wander off to form their own party but it's very unlikely that the election of an African pope would be without consequences to this unholy holy alliance of southern Protestants and northeastern Catholics.


I understand what you're saying, but I think the percentage of Catholics is so small in most southern states that a disintegration of the alliance wouldn't lead to a destruction of the GOP stronghold in any of states. Except for Texas, I bet Catholics don't make up more than 4 or 5 percent of the electorate, way too little to interrupt the Republican stronghold.

Texas itself might be an interesting case, but it's already well on its way towards becoming a blue state.
 
2013-02-11 02:13:09 PM

Supes: I understand what you're saying, but I think the percentage of Catholics is so small in most southern states that a disintegration of the alliance wouldn't lead to a destruction of the GOP stronghold in any of states. Except for Texas, I bet Catholics don't make up more than 4 or 5 percent of the electorate, way too little to interrupt the Republican stronghold.


I see you've never been to Louisiana.

The Southern half, especially by New Orleans is VERY Catholic.

Mardi Gras stems from Catholic traditions.
 
2013-02-11 02:17:26 PM
On the one hand, I'm not Catholic, so I really don't care who's Pope.

On the other hand, there are Catholics all over the world who believe what the Pope says is infallible, and so he influences public policy and laws that do affect me.

Picking a conservative Pope could really set back progress in some parts of the world and be the beginning of the end of Catholicism in the US, or at least cause a split within the church (which may not be a bad thing; most Catholics I know are quite liberal and don't follow all of their church's dogma.)
 
2013-02-11 02:18:10 PM

Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Ponzholio: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Ponzholio: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: walkerhound: Barfmaker: nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.

Perhaps someone from Kenya...

Can a saint be a pope, or does it only work the other way 'round?

You gotta be dead to be a Saint.

And shot out of a canon or something...

No, canon law forbids it.

I was just going for a little canon fodder.

Wouldn't a missal attack be more appropriate?


You mitre be on to something here.
 
2013-02-11 02:19:07 PM

Last Man on Earth: Did anyone else read the headline as Timothy Dalton at first?


Actually just came here to post that very thing...
 
2013-02-11 02:19:59 PM

Mrtraveler01: I see you've never been to Louisiana.

The Southern half, especially by New Orleans is VERY Catholic.

Mardi Gras stems from Catholic traditions.


Been to Louisiana, never New Orleans. But I looked it up, and you're completely right, LA is about 25% Catholic.
 
2013-02-11 02:22:37 PM

pkellmey: Truther: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Dolan?!  Pssh, please.  He wore out his welcome in Milwaukee, then got all but run out of St. Louis after the St. Stanislaus fiasco.  and don't even get STL folks started on the other mess he got caught in - redirecting weekly donations to fund Prop 8 fights in CA and anti-gay measures in Maine.

He may not have worn out his welcome yet in NYC, but there are whole swaths of the Midwest that wouldn't give him the time of day.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.  He was perhaps the most loved bishop of all time in Milwaukee (or a close second).

Yep, as someone from St. Louis, I know very few active Catholics in the area who did not like the man. The local media didn't like his stance on interviews which is why they even admitted to going after him on a lot of topics, but their views never matter.


Well, I will say that at least out by me in the suburbs, there was plenty of grumbling about the donations being sent out of state.  Maybe it wasn't reflected across the entire area, but it was definitely a talked about issue out here in suburbia.  Also, I'll concede that I don't have first hand knowledge, but I'm pretty sure they screwed the pooch on the St. Stanislaus issue.
 
2013-02-11 02:27:39 PM

NeoCortex42: The big shock is that he's choosing to resign (during Lent of all times), instead of dying in office.


This sounds like splitting hairs to me.
 
2013-02-11 02:30:04 PM
The Church will NOT elect a Pope from a Super Power.  No way, no how.  Not gonna happen.
 
2013-02-11 02:30:10 PM

Ponzholio: xanadian: They're betting on who will be the next Pope.  Actual odds and everything.

And me with no bookie nearby. :/

The contenders in line for Pope

Oscar Rodriguez Maradiaga (Honduras) +700
Francis Arinze (Nigeria) +1000
Angelo Scola (Venice) +600
Jorge Mario Bergoglio (Argentina) +900
Cristoph Von Schoenborn (Austria) +700
Tarcisio Bertone (Italy) +1000
Dionigi Tettamanzi (Italy) +1000
Claudio Hummes (Brazil) +1200
Francisco Javier Errazuriz (Chile) +1400
Karl Lehmann (Germany) +1600
Cardiani Ruini (Italy) +2000
Attilio Cardinal Nicora (Roman Curia) +2000
Norberto Rivera Carrera (Mexico) +2000
Wilfred Napier (South Africa) +2000
Jose Da Cruz Policar (Portugal) +2000
Jaime Lucas Ortega y Alamino (Cuba) +2000
Renato Martino (Italy) +2000
Ivan Dias (India) +2500
Angelo Sodano (Italy) +2500
Antonio Maria Rouco Var (Spain) +3000
Phillippe Barbarin (France) +3000
Giacomo Biffi (Italy) +4000
Cormac Murphy O'Connor (United Kingdom) +4000
Giovanni Battista Re (Italy) +4000
Godfried Danneels (Belgium) +4000
Geraldo Majella Agnelo (Brazil) +4000
Dario Castrillon Hoyos (Colombia) +3000
Walter Kasper (Germany) +5000
Lopez Rodriguez (Dominican Republic) +5000
Keith O Brien (Scotland) +5000
Jean Marie Lustiger (France) +5000
George Pell (Australia) +5000
Amigo Vallejo (Spain) +5000
Francis George (USA) +5000
Carlo Maria Matini (Italy) +3000
Silvano Piovanelli (Italy) +4000


Nobody from Israel? I smell discrimination.
 
2013-02-11 02:30:18 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: pkellmey: Truther: Grand_Moff_Joseph: Dolan?!  Pssh, please.  He wore out his welcome in Milwaukee, then got all but run out of St. Louis after the St. Stanislaus fiasco.  and don't even get STL folks started on the other mess he got caught in - redirecting weekly donations to fund Prop 8 fights in CA and anti-gay measures in Maine.

He may not have worn out his welcome yet in NYC, but there are whole swaths of the Midwest that wouldn't give him the time of day.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about.  He was perhaps the most loved bishop of all time in Milwaukee (or a close second).

Yep, as someone from St. Louis, I know very few active Catholics in the area who did not like the man. The local media didn't like his stance on interviews which is why they even admitted to going after him on a lot of topics, but their views never matter.

Well, I will say that at least out by me in the suburbs, there was plenty of grumbling about the donations being sent out of state.  Maybe it wasn't reflected across the entire area, but it was definitely a talked about issue out here in suburbia.  Also, I'll concede that I don't have first hand knowledge, but I'm pretty sure they screwed the pooch on the St. Stanislaus issue.


The St. Stanislaus issue is/was a very complicated issue, but yeah, the Archdiocese of St. Louis and Burke and Rigalli all did a terrible job at handling it.

I think they finally broke away from the Catholic Church into some other religion or something.

But the Archdiocese here has some terrible PR.
 
2013-02-11 02:30:22 PM

NeoCortex42: The big shock is that he's choosing to resign (during Lent of all times), instead of dying in office.


Gotta give up something for Lent.  Why not the papacy?
 
2013-02-11 02:31:17 PM

SkunkWerks: I love how the press keeps reporting on this whole "Pope tenders resignation" thing as a "biiiiig shock".


No one has done it in 600 years, even the ones who probably should have. This also comes more or less out of the blue. I'd say that these factors together qualify to make it shocking.
 
2013-02-11 02:36:03 PM
Grand_Moff_Joseph: Also, I'll concede that I don't have first hand knowledge, but I'm pretty sure they screwed the pooch on the St. Stanislaus issue.

Also, off-base. Even before Christmas, the older, active Catholics had fled the parish to stay away from the coming and well-documented ex-communications even as non-Catholics who supported their cause replaced them nearly overnight. By the end of the month, most of the protesting parish members had not been active parish members the previous month. Per total membership counts in the diocese, there was no affect on overall attendance numbers in the diocese.
 
xcv
2013-02-11 02:38:26 PM

I should be in the kitchen: On the one hand, I'm not Catholic, so I really don't care who's Pope.

On the other hand, there are Catholics all over the world who believe what the Pope says is infallible, and so he influences public policy and laws that do affect me.

Picking a conservative Pope could really set back progress in some parts of the world and be the beginning of the end of Catholicism in the US, or at least cause a split within the church (which may not be a bad thing; most Catholics I know are quite liberal and don't follow all of their church's dogma.)


Same position, not Christian but would like to see them pick one of those priests that actually follow Christian values on redistribution of wealth, helping the poor and curbing abuses of power by the elite. One of those liberal South American social advocate priests ideally.

But if the Church is more concerned about growing its numbers in Africa (a primary battleground for the Church as I understand) and holding ground against Islamic and Protestant rivals they're going to go with a conservative that supports the African culture of killing gays and telling young men what they want to hear about not having to use condoms ever.
 
2013-02-11 02:42:19 PM

Millennium: This also comes more or less out of the blue.


Less, much less.  They elected him because he lacked that strength of mind and body.  Because he'd keep the status quo and not exert any extra papal effort to do much of, well, anything.  And- short of the occasional gaffe here or there, he's delivered on those intentions masterfully.

Millennium: No one has done it in 600 years, even the ones who probably should have.


Tell you what?  How about "unprecedented"?  Shocking?  Not really.  Maybe he realized he's the butt of one enormous Cardinal joke?  Maybe he'd like to live out the last of his final days actually doing something meaningful?

I know I would.
 
2013-02-11 02:44:06 PM

I should be in the kitchen: On the one hand, I'm not Catholic, so I really don't care who's Pope.

On the other hand, there are Catholics all over the world who believe what the Pope says is infallible, and so he influences public policy and laws that do affect me.


Not a practicing Catholic any more, but this lack of understanding about infallibility still bugs me.

The Pope is not infallible in every single thing he says. He speaks ex cathedra (i.e., invoking infallibility) only on specific occasions, as when he defines points of church doctrine (see point #9 here:  http://www.papalencyclicals.net/Councils/ecum20.htm#Chapter%204.%20On % 20the%20infallible%20teaching%20authority%20of%20the%20Roman%20pontiff ).

Otherwise, he'd be able to jokingly declare that Jesus meant for lutefisk to be part of the sacraments, or something, and the world would have to live with the fallout.
 
2013-02-11 02:59:52 PM

Lydia_C: The Pope is not infallible in every single thing he says. He speaks ex cathedra (i.e., invoking infallibility) only on specific occasions, as when he defines points of church doctrine


And only then ever twice before (once dealing with the Immaculate Conception and once dealing with the Assumption of Mary), IIRC.
 
2013-02-11 03:04:16 PM
Fancy hats with matching color shoes? lots of gold? tricked out hats? giant posse? gaudy decorations at home? fear of getting shot in the street?

Come on. Its gotta be a black guy.
 
2013-02-11 03:06:24 PM
Would someone please shoop Cleavon Little's head onto the pope's body please?

/shoop skillz, I has none
//a couple of stampeding cattle would be a nice touch too
 
2013-02-11 03:11:07 PM
You utter boob. It's Timothy  CardinalDolan. At least get the honorific right.
 
2013-02-11 03:16:43 PM
isn't it sad that I only came in here to see comics of Dolan?

gooby please...
 
2013-02-11 03:18:32 PM

willfullyobscure: You utter boob. It's Timothy  CardinalDolan. At least get the honorific right.


Dolan is not a cardinal.  He's a duck.  Get the species right and we'll talk.
 
2013-02-11 03:25:09 PM

FlashHarry: nekom: I don't know, but that was something they were REALLY talking about last time, after JP2 died. They wound up going with a pretty bland and generic choice, many thought the decision was largely based on the fact that he wouldn't be pope too long. Maybe now they'll try their hip new pope strategy.

could be. though, from what i understand, an african or south american pope is likely to be a conservative. if the church is to grow, it likely needs a liberal reformer.


Considering how Benedict packed the College of Cardinals, both as Pope and as JPII's advisor in his later
years, you won't see any boat rockers in the Church for at least another generation.

Personally, I'm hoping this guy finally gets his due:

upload.wikimedia.org

But the Catholic Church is not noted for its sense of humour.
 
2013-02-11 03:25:48 PM

EngineerAU: At the risk of being that guy who injects politics in every thread, a black pope would be yet another nail in the Republican coffin. Having grown up in the South, I can tell your first hand that Catholics are not well liked down here. But due to abortion, there is an uneasy religious alliance between Catholics and the quirky southern flavored Protestant churches. A black pope would make the southern wing of the party go absolutely bonkers. Many Catholics are already uneasy about being involved with Republicans because other than sex and family matters, most Republican policies are contrary to Catholic (and should also be Christian) beliefs. The Catholic bashing from the southern Republicans would be of epic proportions.

I'm not sure which group would end up keeping the GOP and which would wander off to form their own party but it's very unlikely that the election of an African pope would be without consequences to this unholy holy alliance of southern Protestants and northeastern Catholics.


I would not be so sure that the Southern flank of the GOP would be quick to abandon its alliance on account of race.  The only thing taking down 9-9-9 Herman Cain was his inability to keep his zipper up.  Most of them realize that nominating a President and selecting a son-in-law are two different operations.
 
2013-02-11 03:27:17 PM

Supes: I'm betting we get our first Canadian Pope in the form of Marc Ouellet. Lots of pressure to choose a non-European, and this is a way for them to keep the papacy white and still give a nod to the rest of the world (without worrying about the anti-American sentiment surrounding Dolan).

I'd love to see the first black Pope though.


I think that or a Hispanic dude that looks pretty damn white.  He'd have the name of a minority, but not look scary to the conservatives in his pictures.
 
2013-02-11 03:39:21 PM
Timothy Dalton wouldn't make a bad Pope.  But, Sean Connery would kick ass.
 
2013-02-11 03:44:55 PM

Teknowaffle: thepeterd: Badda bing, badda boom, the fix is in.
[vaticaninsider.lastampa.it image 250x250]
I don't know how many people have read the Hyperion Cantos, but that guy looks like what I imagined the fat, evil cardinal Lourdusamy who was pulling the strings behind the evil incarnation of the Catholic church of the future to look like.


2.bp.blogspot.com
Would like a word.
 
2013-02-11 03:45:37 PM
dedroidify.com

Hail Eris!
 
2013-02-11 03:47:39 PM

traylor: You are all talking about this like it was important.


Um, because this is a thread about the pope?

Hey, maybe next week you can go to a LARP and taunt the silly people for pretending to be elves.
 
2013-02-11 03:53:50 PM

cashman: Why is it that when I see the word "papabile" in that story, I'm reading "pedophile"?


Perhaps because "palpable"  means, "capable of being touched or felt."
 
2013-02-11 04:00:20 PM
Is it hoping for too much to want them to pick someone that's actually interested in hunting down the culture of pederasts and making them homeless and jobless and shiat?

That would be great.
 
2013-02-11 04:12:57 PM

traylor: You are all talking about this like it was important. Why should I (or anyone) care about who will be the next Pope? Does it change anything?


There exists an office in this world that effectively defines the finer points of right and wrong for about a billion people, and carries considerable weight on these matters with another billion or so. That office is changing hands. The implications for these people should be pretty obvious, but there are also indirect implications for those who deal with these people. That makes this kind of a big deal.
 
2013-02-11 04:19:31 PM
Pope RuPaul would be fabulous.
 
2013-02-11 04:29:54 PM

SkunkWerks: willfullyobscure: You utter boob. It's Timothy  Cardinal Dolan. At least get the honorific right.

Dolan is not a cardinal.  He's a duck.  Get the species right and we'll talk.


He's a witch! Burn 'im!
 
2013-02-11 04:34:52 PM
There was a prophesy that covered all of the popes up to that time a few hundred years ago.Then it gave descriptions of the upcoming popes which could be interpreted as describing each following popes. According to the prophesy,Benedict was the last of the line. So, Dolen can't be pope. If the prophesy is wrong the Kenyan will be the front runner, as usual.
 
2013-02-11 04:38:40 PM
It's been done before:

submiturpics.com
 
2013-02-11 04:43:51 PM

Adjudicator: There was a prophesy that covered all of the popes up to that time a few hundred years ago.Then it gave descriptions of the upcoming popes which could be interpreted as describing each following popes. According to the prophesy,Benedict was the last of the line. So, Dolen can't be pope. If the prophesy is wrong the Kenyan will be the front runner, as usual.


Benedict was the last in the list, but one more was mentioned afterward: "Peter the Roman." He's supposed to be the last of the line.

But it doesn't really matter, because no matter who gets picked, I guarantee you that acually is Dolan.
 
2013-02-11 04:44:51 PM

SkunkWerks: I love how the press keeps reporting on this whole "Pope tenders resignation" thing as a "biiiiig shock".

The Pope says something on the order that he lacks the strength of mind and body to be Pope any longer.  Back when the Cardinals picked him, they did so precisely for this reason- he was unlikely to rock the boat.

Shocking indeed.


I'd say that the first pope resigning since 1415 is a shock.
 
2013-02-11 04:54:40 PM

ArgusRun: I'm calling it for Central or South America.  They can pick a conservative, which is in keeping with their recent history, but show some progressive thought by aiming a little darker.  Not BLACK darker, mind you.  Just a little tanner than the current Sith lord.


Yeah, I'm thinking someone Hispanic.  Of course, I thought that last time, and they went with the whitest of the white.
 
2013-02-11 04:58:26 PM
Isn't this the guy who hosted Tales from the Road?  Oh - that was his brother Tommy.
 
2013-02-11 05:01:56 PM
Maybe it's time for Pope Paul VII

wideandslim.com
 
2013-02-11 05:42:01 PM
There's some "prophecy" about a finite number fo popes.  This new guy is supposed to be the last pope.

"In extreme persecution, the seat of the Holy Roman Church will be occupied by Peter the Roman, who will feed the sheep through many tribulations, at the term of which the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the formidable Judge will judge his people."

This would make Cardinal Scola the choice?
 
2013-02-11 05:58:29 PM

Supes: I understand what you're saying, but I think the percentage of Catholics is so small in most southern states that a disintegration of the alliance wouldn't lead to a destruction of the GOP stronghold in any of states. Except for Texas, I bet Catholics don't make up more than 4 or 5 percent of the electorate, way too little to interrupt the Republican stronghold.

Texas itself might be an interesting case, but it's already well on its way towards becoming a blue state.


I was thinking more of the Catholics in the rest of the country. Many are uneasy Republicans. Birthers and Tea Partiers going ape poopy over a black Pope might be the final straw for those who already are turned off by the "screw the poor, greed is good" and "hate anyone different than you" themes in the modern GOP.

Texas is an interesting situation but Hispanic Catholics tend to already be Democrats. More race baiting by the Republicans though could ensure that they remain Democrats.
 
2013-02-11 06:36:32 PM

Grand PBUH: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Ponzholio: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Ponzholio: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: walkerhound: Barfmaker: nekom: Nope, it's going to be a black pope. I'm calling it now. Someone from Africa.

Perhaps someone from Kenya...

Can a saint be a pope, or does it only work the other way 'round?

You gotta be dead to be a Saint.

And shot out of a canon or something...

No, canon law forbids it.

I was just going for a little canon fodder.

Wouldn't a missal attack be more appropriate?

You mitre be on to something here.


You are all cruisering for a bruisering.
 
2013-02-11 07:22:50 PM
according to the link, its Timothy Patrick Dolan, false, its actually Timothy Michael Dolan, was former Archbishop of milwaukee prior to New York
 
2013-02-11 07:27:50 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: kevinatilusa: Pennsylvania Dutch Oven: Only the Canadian media is touting Ouellet as a frontrunner. Frankly, RuPaul has a better chance of being elected than Ouellet. The inability to grow the church in North America pretty much kills any chance of the NA cardinals from being elected - whether they covered up molestation or not. Add in the very liberal bent of catholics in Quebec, which the Vatican sees as Ouellet's inability to influence his own flock. The smart money is on a pontif from South America or Africa.

He's currently #2 on Paddy Power's odds, though he's down to 7-2 from the 3-1 he was at 20 minutes ago.

You know, the irony meter would implode if the next pope came from Africa, and then he proceeded to tell us all that condoms were still evil.  In fact, the Vatican's refusal to encourage proper condom usage has killed tens of thousands throughout Africa over the years, and any African pope would have stood by silently the entire time this was going on.


Um; the pope has nothing to do with condom trouble in Africa.

Africa has condom trouble in Africa.

It's a function of believing all sorts of screwy stuff; not limited to: sleeping with a virgin will cure aids; condoms are magical sheilds and must be worn at all times and used several times; you can get aids cured by fasting and donating to a certain Nigerian prince.

/ when they believe that a woman can steal a man's essence; and they put her on trial for such; there's not much you can do about it
 
2013-02-11 07:53:38 PM
i.qkme.me
 
2013-02-11 08:21:14 PM
I'll just leave this here. >.>

i1182.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-11 08:28:31 PM

Sword and Shield: I'd say that the first pope resigning since 1415 is a shock.


The word you're looking for is "unprecedented".  A decided lack of shock is what he was selected for.
 
2013-02-12 07:51:39 AM

iheartscotch: Um; the pope has nothing to do with condom trouble in Africa.


notsureifserious.jpg
 
2013-02-12 10:04:27 AM

SkunkWerks: Sword and Shield: I'd say that the first pope resigning since 1415 is a shock.

The word you're looking for is "unprecedented".


I think the "since 1415" part removes the "un" from that word.
 
2013-02-12 10:09:21 AM

pkellmey: I think the "since 1415" part removes the "un" from that word.


Quit hogging all the Un.  Save some for Kim.
 
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