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(Deadline)   Don't look now, but Hollywood is set to make yet another Philip K. Dick short story into a movie. For those keeping score at home, that makes 1,732 Dick stories to be made in movies, give or take a few hundred   (deadline.com ) divider line
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2013-02-11 01:53:29 PM  

SuperChuck: I've yet to see a Syfy miniseries that I could stand to watch to the end so I mostly don't bother anymore


Battlestar Galactica and Farscape: Peacekeeper Wars were both pretty good.  The Lost Room wasn't half-bad, either.
 
2013-02-11 01:57:27 PM  

grinding_journalist: FeedTheCollapse: That was adapted as Next. It wasn't great, but I didn't think it was that bad, even with Nicholas Cage in it. I think PKD would've liked the ending.

IMDB: A Las Vegas magician who can see into the future is pursued by FBI agents seeking to use his abilities to prevent a nuclear terrorist attack.

Is PKD credited for the story idea? Because that bears so little resemblance to Golden Man that I can't see how, even with Hollywood "logic" they're the same story. I assume you've read it, yes?


PKD is credited. And yes, they absolutely butchered the story, and any original meaning PKD had in the short story. A damn shame. And while I'm at it, also really disappointed how Hollywood butchered Paycheck. And Second Variety, which could make a GREAT movie if done true to the book.
 
2013-02-11 02:03:58 PM  

Supes: grinding_journalist: FeedTheCollapse: That was adapted as Next. It wasn't great, but I didn't think it was that bad, even with Nicholas Cage in it. I think PKD would've liked the ending.

IMDB: A Las Vegas magician who can see into the future is pursued by FBI agents seeking to use his abilities to prevent a nuclear terrorist attack.

Is PKD credited for the story idea? Because that bears so little resemblance to Golden Man that I can't see how, even with Hollywood "logic" they're the same story. I assume you've read it, yes?

PKD is credited. And yes, they absolutely butchered the story, and any original meaning PKD had in the short story. A damn shame. And while I'm at it, also really disappointed how Hollywood butchered Paycheck. And Second Variety, which could make a GREAT movie if done true to the book.


Minority Report was also nearly nothing like the story.  Aside from the FutureCrimes thing, it bore little resemblance at all to it.
 
2013-02-11 02:04:50 PM  

Dead for Tax Reasons: Syfy? I guess it is sure to suck then


So it will still be better than Blade Runner?

/ducks
 
2013-02-11 02:09:30 PM  

aaronx: Supes: It's not a short story, it's one of his novels. And it'll be very difficult to adapt, that's for sure. One of the weirdest things in it is a story-within-a-story.... it's an alternate history where the Axis powers won WWII, and within that world one of the most popular books is an alternate history where the Allies won WWII.

Good catch, but remember: Film-makers have never worried too much about getting PKD stories right.


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2013-02-11 02:09:30 PM  

flux: Saiga410: I do not see this. Usually SyFy miniseries have been fairly good. I am having a hard time remembering back to a mini that they produced that was abismal.

Well, they don't have a great record for original movies. Except for Weresharkalococktapusquid vs The Loch Ness Yetigatorsaurus III. Starring Lou Diamond Phillips. That one was pretty good.


Well, in their sort of defense, most of their original movies aren't. They have this weird business practice, where, if a low budget filmmaker is shooting a sci-fi or horror flick and runs out of money, they'll pitch in and give them the cash to finish it up in exchange for the rights to run it on the channel as an "original" before it's b-list dvd release. Those films are where they get the reputation for producing junk, even though they have almost nothing to do with them.

Original mini series, like Dune, are actually produced in house. They're not always great, but they're far removed from the schlock that they call original films.
 
2013-02-11 02:14:34 PM  

NeoCortex42: Supes: grinding_journalist: FeedTheCollapse: That was adapted as Next. It wasn't great, but I didn't think it was that bad, even with Nicholas Cage in it. I think PKD would've liked the ending.

IMDB: A Las Vegas magician who can see into the future is pursued by FBI agents seeking to use his abilities to prevent a nuclear terrorist attack.

Is PKD credited for the story idea? Because that bears so little resemblance to Golden Man that I can't see how, even with Hollywood "logic" they're the same story. I assume you've read it, yes?

PKD is credited. And yes, they absolutely butchered the story, and any original meaning PKD had in the short story. A damn shame. And while I'm at it, also really disappointed how Hollywood butchered Paycheck. And Second Variety, which could make a GREAT movie if done true to the book.

Minority Report was also nearly nothing like the story.  Aside from the FutureCrimes thing, it bore little resemblance at all to it.


Oh of course. I excluded Minority Report from my criticism because (a) it didn't suck, and (b) it maintained elements of PKDs message in it (despite dramatic changes to the ending of the story). Those are the same reasons I excluded Blade Runner and Total Recall from my criticisms, when neither of them were actually accurate retellings of the PKD stories.

Honestly, outside of A Scanner Darkly (which itself struggled because the source material didn't lend itself to easy translation) I'm not sure any PKD stories have been faithfully adapted.
 
2013-02-11 02:52:37 PM  

Supes: And Second Variety, which could make a GREAT movie if done true to the book.


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It was just....ok.
 
2013-02-11 02:53:12 PM  

NeoCortex42: SuperChuck: I've yet to see a Syfy miniseries that I could stand to watch to the end so I mostly don't bother anymore

Battlestar Galactica and Farscape: Peacekeeper Wars were both pretty good.  The Lost Room wasn't half-bad, either.


Hear, hear-especially for the last two.
 
2013-02-11 02:57:32 PM  

Supes: Honestly, outside of A Scanner Darkly (which itself struggled because the source material didn't lend itself to easy translation) I'm not sure any PKD stories have been faithfully adapted.


Probably because they would suck. Dick had some great ideas for themes and backgrounds (replicants in Blade Runner, Pre-cogs in Minority Report, memory implants in Total Recall, work followed by memory wipe in Paycheck, and the self as secret saboteur in Impostor).

However his plotting and dialogue freaking suck. He makes the reader think, but he doesn't move a story along in a fun and exciting way. The Man in the High Castle is going to be a boring snoozefest.
 
2013-02-11 03:26:29 PM  

Apos: Frank Spotnitz + A Damon Lindelof-free Ridley Scott ?


..............

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I don't want to defend Lindelof, but he was only the writer.  Ridley Scott had all of the power as producer/director to make Prometheus not suck.
 
2013-02-11 03:52:19 PM  
Dick
Also, I think Clutch makes better songs of PKD stories than Hollywood makes movies of them
 
2013-02-11 04:01:07 PM  

madgonad: Supes: Honestly, outside of A Scanner Darkly (which itself struggled because the source material didn't lend itself to easy translation) I'm not sure any PKD stories have been faithfully adapted.

Probably because they would suck. Dick had some great ideas for themes and backgrounds (replicants in Blade Runner, Pre-cogs in Minority Report, memory implants in Total Recall, work followed by memory wipe in Paycheck, and the self as secret saboteur in Impostor).

However his plotting and dialogue freaking suck. He makes the reader think, but he doesn't move a story along in a fun and exciting way. The Man in the High Castle is going to be a boring snoozefest.


I'd have to agree with the angry testicle.  I really enjoyed Blade Runner (both with voiceover and happy ending, and the directors cut which didn't).  I really enjoyed Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep, but it wasn't Blade Runner and vice-versa.  And, frankly, as a film it would have sucked.  Huge.  As an intriguing mini-series, or the like, maybe.
 
2013-02-11 04:16:45 PM  

Tyrone Slothrop: enry: Girion47: Considering that PD is one of the best sci-fi authors of all time.   I'm okay with this.

I'm going to let you finish, but Isaac Asimov is the greatest Sci-Fi writer of all time.  Of all time!

What about Ray Bradbury?


I am aware of his body of work.  *dismissive sniff*
 
2013-02-11 04:35:24 PM  
I love Philip K Dick's stories, and there are now only a few I haven't read/don't own. I'd like to see someone take on Now Wait for Last Year or Martian Timeslip, seeing as how Ubik's being worked on (I think). But they would need some adapting to work. Now that I think of it The World Jones Made could be turned into an epic tragedy on the big screen.
 
2013-02-11 04:53:01 PM  
Phillip K Dick died on my 1st birthday...
 
2013-02-11 05:31:30 PM  
A few weeks ago I got to watch a stage adaptation of UBIK that was pretty entertaining.
 
2013-02-11 05:33:38 PM  
Ubik would be a great movie if it was done properly.  I think that with today's Hollywood crap-factory the only director I would trust with Ubik would be Terry Gilliam.  That would actually be a match made in heavan I think.

...This was just the beginning...
 
2013-02-11 06:15:49 PM  

Crewmannumber6: Who the fark is Philip K. Dick?


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2013-02-11 07:31:52 PM  
I love PKD's short stories, and I liked the premise for Man in the High Castle, but somehow when I got around to reading it I was sorely disappointed.
 
2013-02-11 08:03:11 PM  

PacManDreaming: Very few times is the movie better than the book, but Blade Runner was infinitely better than Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. Then again, most of his work is kipple.


Wow, COMPLETELY agree. i bought the book simply because blade runner was based upon it. barely finished it and quite thankful that hollywood does at times, get things right when basing movies on a book
 
2013-02-11 08:30:25 PM  
I clicked on that expecting to be disappointed once again The Man In The High Castle was getting left out.  Well holy shiat.
 
2013-02-11 09:09:51 PM  
I do like The Man in the High Castle, but I can't help but wonder how little they'll use and just go for a "based on" credit, like they did with Blade Runner.

Look, I love Blade Runner. It's a great movie. But it's NOT  Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep?at all. It's so far from the original story that it makes me glad they didn't use the original title. They changed pretty much every character, changed the setting, changed the main plot significantly, altered almost all the names so they wouldn't sound so "ethnic" (Yeah, Tyrell sounds so much less ethnic than Rosen)... They really just took a few concepts from P.K. Dick's book and then wrote their own story.

And I have been waiting for someone to come along and make a mini-series or long movie that is truly  Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? ... And no one ever does.

So I imagine the Hollywood version of  The Man in the High Castle will remove the Nazis and the Imperial Japanese, and replace them with mutants or vampires or something that wasn't even in the book. I shudder to think how badly they'll maim the story to make it marketable to the standard film-going mouth-breather who not only  enjoyed the Bay Transformers movies, but  asked for more.
 
2013-02-11 09:13:59 PM  

Craps the Gorilla: PacManDreaming: Very few times is the movie better than the book, but Blade Runner was infinitely better than Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. Then again, most of his work is kipple.

Wow, COMPLETELY agree. i bought the book simply because blade runner was based upon it. barely finished it and quite thankful that hollywood does at times, get things right when basing movies on a book


Ugh. Philistines.

The book is tons better than the movie. It has a totally different point, and a depth the movie can't even get close to.

That's not to say the movie is bad. I love the movie, but it's not even close to the book in terms of complexity, depth, characterization, or expressing an overall theme.
 
2013-02-11 09:17:22 PM  
Let it be TMITHC, oh please oh please oh please.

*click*

Oh yeaaaah!

Hey Hollywood. Don't fark this one up.
 
2013-02-11 09:53:06 PM  

Girion47: Considering that PD is one of the best sci-fi authors of all time.   I'm okay with this.


I don't know about that, but of the better science fiction authors of the last century, his work definitely tends to be structured in a way that translates to the way that movies work than most others.

//Really, Hollywood?  You're doing  Foundation and  Ender's Game, the great sci-fi novels with literally the least action and dialogue-centric hooks in the entire Sci-Fi genre?  Really?
//Then, I'd have said the same about  I, Robot and they... no, wait, that was terrible.
 
2013-02-11 10:25:34 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Craps the Gorilla: PacManDreaming: Very few times is the movie better than the book, but Blade Runner was infinitely better than Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. Then again, most of his work is kipple.

Wow, COMPLETELY agree. i bought the book simply because blade runner was based upon it. barely finished it and quite thankful that hollywood does at times, get things right when basing movies on a book

Ugh. Philistines.

The book is tons better than the movie. It has a totally different point, and a depth the movie can't even get close to.

That's not to say the movie is bad. I love the movie, but it's not even close to the book in terms of complexity, depth, characterization, or expressing an overall theme.


The Penfield Mood Organ, plus his trading around for real animals, was interesting introspection on empathy and humanity. Oh, and the religion of Mercerism.
 
2013-02-11 11:20:32 PM  

ZeroCorpse: Craps the Gorilla: PacManDreaming: Very few times is the movie better than the book, but Blade Runner was infinitely better than Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep. Then again, most of his work is kipple.

Wow, COMPLETELY agree. i bought the book simply because blade runner was based upon it. barely finished it and quite thankful that hollywood does at times, get things right when basing movies on a book


Ugh. Philistines.

The book is tons better than the movie. It has a totally different point, and a depth the movie can't even get close to.

That's not to say the movie is bad. I love the movie, but it's not even close to the book in terms of complexity, depth, characterization, or expressing an overall theme.


THIS.
 
2013-02-12 12:35:37 AM  

cirby: Meanwhile, Eric Frank Russell is still unknown to Hollywood.

And Cordwainer Smith.

And Philip Jose Farmer.


I love both of these authors, and have nearly every book/short story in my personal library. Smith (Linebarger) would be difficult to transfer to film in any way that would make a good movie. Maybe "War No. 81-Q" could work as a stand alone movie. He's just too...intellectual...to translate well to film. How could you explain the Instrumentality in a 2-3 hour movie?

And Farmer. There have been shiatty attempts to realize the "Riverworld" series, and it just didn't ring true to the novels. Farmer was never one to write lots of dialog, and that makes it difficult to translate his worlds to film. There are some short stories that I think could make a good premise for a movie, but his novels are better read than viewed, unless Peter Jackson wants to prove me wrong.

Not all books translate well to film, not should they.
 
2013-02-12 12:37:39 AM  
Oh, and cirby, if you like Smith and Farmer, I'm going to check out Russell. You have good taste, sir.
 
2013-02-12 01:16:52 AM  

Tyrone Slothrop: What about Ray Bradbury?


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2013-02-12 07:53:08 AM  

Lumbar Puncture: Crewmannumber6: Who the fark is Philip K. Dick?

He asked himself that same question.


Horselover Fat?
 
2013-02-12 10:06:27 PM  

grinding_journalist: nameofperson: One of the few reboot/remake pieces of media where I'm totally ok with saying each of them is good in their own way. Lynch left a LOT of pretty damn important details out of his version, but the "epic" style suited the original work well. The SciFi version was excellent as it was much truer to the source material, but there were times when all I could think was "ok, so they're crawling around in a sandbox on a soundstage."


Lynch should be thrown into a pit of flesh eating beetles for making that atrocity.  Or have we not forgotten:

Yes, that is Patrick Stewart wasting his acting skills on this piece of shiat garbage while holding a goddamn PUG!  I've read the books, and there were so many things wrong with the movie it's hard to keep score.  You could tell by the end of the movie that Lynch simply ran out of time (and/or budget) and just rushed his way to get things finished.

The Sci-Fi version was, like you said, much truer to the source material, and it was a greater story because of it.  Children of Dune was a tad more liberal with the story, but they were telling two books in the same 6 hour period, so it was a bit justified.
 
2013-02-12 10:08:28 PM  
Bah, hasty add.  Here's another version of the image:

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2013-02-12 10:10:01 PM  

Craptastic: cirby: Meanwhile, Eric Frank Russell is still unknown to Hollywood.

And Cordwainer Smith.

And Philip Jose Farmer.

I love both of these authors, and have nearly every book/short story in my personal library. Smith (Linebarger) would be difficult to transfer to film in any way that would make a good movie. Maybe "War No. 81-Q" could work as a stand alone movie. He's just too...intellectual...to translate well to film. How could you explain the Instrumentality in a 2-3 hour movie?

And Farmer. There have been shiatty attempts to realize the "Riverworld" series, and it just didn't ring true to the novels. Farmer was never one to write lots of dialog, and that makes it difficult to translate his worlds to film. There are some short stories that I think could make a good premise for a movie, but his novels are better read than viewed, unless Peter Jackson wants to prove me wrong.

Not all books translate well to film, not should they.


Fark that jazz.  I want Ringworld put into a mini-series.
 
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