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(WTOP)   Maryland discovers that they can increase the $afety generated by red light cameras if they expand the net a bit. Potential new customers: people who didn't run a red light, people who might have thought about running a red light   (wtop.com) divider line 32
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2013-02-11 12:59:04 PM
3 votes:
So, basically, they're ticketing people who stop in the intersection because they weren't paying attention to the light and they're ticketing people who are ignoring the light and running it during a turn. And I'm supposed to have a problem with this why?

Fark those people. I hate coming to an intersection and trying to make a left turn only to have to go wide around it because some dipshiat has rolled into the intersection to stop and I hate coming to an intersection and getting a green light only to have to stop or slow down because some dickhead to the right has decided to run it because apparently that's a-ok when you're making a right turn. In many cases even when there's a clear "NO TURN ON RED" sign.

Aside from cases where towns were intentionally shortening light cycles I have yet to see an example of why I should be outraged about these cameras. The "arguments" always come down to "we shouldn't have them because now my lazy driving is getting caught".

Not a compelling argument. You don't want a ticket for being a shiatty driver? Don't be a shiatty driver.
2013-02-11 12:39:10 PM
3 votes:
FTFA: "Rockville City Police argue officers are simply enforcing the law enhancing city revenues."

FTFT...
2013-02-11 01:55:54 PM
2 votes:

shaunmark: Yeah, she goes through the red light, with some speed, on a right turn. But you can clearly see from the intersection the lane in front of her has a leading green and is turning left. Therefore, there is no where else a car can be coming from to enter her lane.


No cars coming.  Nothing to worry about but pesky pedestrians getting caught in her wheel well.
2013-02-11 01:25:01 PM
2 votes:
 OMG, they're enforcing the law!!!

This is an outrage?



Here's some reading for you:   http://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/159403522 9

In summary, laws are generally written with the intent of applying them to those who willfully disregard them and/or cause problems because of the behavior.

Moreover, do some reading behind what the realities of these cameras is all about, revenue for the city and profit for the corporation that lobbies for it.
2013-02-11 01:23:01 PM
2 votes:
"I was floored. I am a safe and careful driver and as I approached this particular three-way intersection at West Gude Drive and Gaither Road on Aug. 7, I made the judgment that, since no traffic was coming from my left because the opposite intersection was turning left, this was a safe turn, " says driver Maggie Lora in an email to WTOP.

What the hell.. she didnt even get anywhere close to stopping.  Didnt compress her struts...nothing.
She looked just like she would have, if the light was green and she turned right.

She deserves the ticket.
2013-02-11 12:58:24 PM
2 votes:
I fail to understand why they do not increase yellow light times and put in a visible yellow timer.  I have no idea if this will increase safety, but I like to think it would.
2013-02-11 12:51:12 PM
2 votes:
I was always for red light cameras thinking they were for red light runners, but the whole enforcing the no touching the stop line rule is just bogus and because the cameras give out "red light violations" that are really nothing more then a fine... you get slapped with the same expensive fine as a red light runner for not running a red light. These petty violations get my "no" vote for cameras.
2013-02-11 12:49:43 PM
2 votes:
"I was floored. I am a safe and careful driver and as I approached this particular three-way intersection at West Gude Drive and Gaither Road on Aug. 7, I made the judgment that, since no traffic was coming from my left because the opposite intersection was turning left, this was a safe turn, " says driver Maggie Lora in an email to WTOP. Fortunately, she says Rockville City Police voided her ticket. The video below shows the specific traffic incident Lora was cited for.

She was justly cited for the incident.  She blatantly ran a red light.  If she stopped and then proceeded, I can see her ticket being voided.  However, she treated that as a green right arrow.

"Ninety percent of the tickets we're seeing across the country, according to some studies, for running red lights, are actually because the driver made a so-called rolling right turn on red. That shouldn't be the case. These cameras were designed for people who run the red light and barrel through the intersection," says Townsend.A 2004 study from Texas A&M's Transportation Institute (2004) found that accidents from these turns are exceedingly rare and don't pose a serious traffic safety problem.

Yeah, except that it's not rare.  Every 2 days at an intersection of 2 4-lane roads less than a mile from my house, there's an accident due to someone doing a roll on red.  Just looking at the past month's worth of accident records, every person who did the roll on red was cited...and justly cited.  The "so-called" roll on red is STILL running a red light.  Red means stop.  Red does not mean slow down and roll through if it pleases your highness.  Follow the law, or pony up the money to break it.
2013-02-11 12:47:46 PM
2 votes:
If you nitwits would STOP at red lights, you wouldn't have a problem. Also, if you weren't so damn "NO TAXES EVAR !!!!" then traffic fines and other government money-collecting schemes would go away. But, since taxes are bad, we get huge fees and fines. Which of course don't bother rich people, so they get to flout the law. Only the poors actually get in trouble.
2013-02-11 12:47:24 PM
2 votes:
The criminalization of the entire human race continues.
2013-02-11 12:46:35 PM
2 votes:
So the cops pay the tickets they get whenever they do a rolling stop as well, right? RIGHT?
2013-02-11 12:43:38 PM
2 votes:
Just to get this straight, no one appears upset that running a red light but turning right while doing so or stopping on the far side of the stop line are traffic infractions, but they are upset because it is now being enforced?


Gotcha.
2013-02-11 12:40:11 PM
2 votes:
she did run that light at a pretty good speed..
2013-02-11 12:39:35 PM
2 votes:
I should invent a costumed crusader called the "Sentry Smasher" where I travel to small towns and townships, smash all the red light cameras in one night, and disappear.
2013-02-11 10:39:40 AM
2 votes:
Send them a picture of your money.
2013-02-11 04:31:58 PM
1 votes:

CliChe Guevara: Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: If you nitwits would STOP at red lights, you wouldn't have a problem.

If it wasn't for the fact that this specific setup also happens by definition to nail people making a legal right-turn-on-red, I would agree with you.


That word doesn't mean what you think it means.
If you're making a right on red, you have to stop first. As is explained in the article.
2013-02-11 02:53:09 PM
1 votes:
The video in the link was a bad example of someone who got a ticket for rolling a red light that didn't deserve one. She totally blew that red light. I can't believe she beat the ticket.

My problem with the cameras here (other than the fact that I don't think they should even be allowed) is that at the intersections where we have them, the yellow lights are extremely quick. There are two major intersections near my work, and before they installed the cameras, you could easily get six or seven cars through a left arrow. Now it's down to three or four. Yet they insist they haven't shortened the lights. I'm not buying it.

My other complaint is more driver-related. The speed cameras cause people to slow down, even if they weren't speeding in the first place. That drives me absolutely crazy. If the limit is 45 and you're going 40, you don't need to brake for the damn camera. No matter which direction I commute, I'm going to go through at least one intersection with a red-light camera and down one road with a speed camera. I don't get tickets, but I hate the cameras anyway because of how they affect my commute.
2013-02-11 02:47:26 PM
1 votes:
Having been hit by a driver doing a rolling right, I am finding this conversation hilarious. Hang 'em high!
2013-02-11 01:49:46 PM
1 votes:
Yeah, she goes through the red light, with some speed, on a right turn. But you can clearly see from the intersection the lane in front of her has a leading green and is turning left. Therefore, there is no where else a car can be coming from to enter her lane. What they should do is put up a green arrow for turning right, but they won't do that. They should change the law to yield when turning right on red, because really, everyone rolls though. I don't think I've seen a car come to a full stop in a while. Just because "IT IS A LAW" is a bad reason to ticket, especially when the traffic system isn't designed in a way to expedite all traffic as quickly as possible.
2013-02-11 01:48:30 PM
1 votes:

tallen702: Right turn on red isn't a crime unless otherwise posted in MD, but Rockville will ticket you for it anyway.


Turning right on red without stopping is against the law in MD.  It's dangerous.  She should have been ticketed.

If that video is an example of what is wrong with red light cameras, I say we need more cameras just like it.

It's outrageous that the woman's ticket was voided.
2013-02-11 01:29:38 PM
1 votes:
Blowing through a ROR has become a pet peeve of mine, I have no problem with that part of the upgrade.
2013-02-11 01:03:23 PM
1 votes:

KatjaMouse: I commute through this sliver of an area where Rockville and Bethesda intersect and had gotten flashed 3 times at an intersection while my light was green. I've luckily been able to get the tickets dismissed. I've also noticed a driver in front of me, with a green signal, get flashed as well a number of times. So, does Maryland ever disable this camera or fix it? Nope. They started actually having a cop park at the corner of that street and I think he just notates when the camera flashes errantly and reports back.


I play hockey off of East Gude.  I see these things go off all the time.  People will be sitting still at the red, and the flash will go off.  But these are all for safety.  Thanks Ike!
2013-02-11 12:55:28 PM
1 votes:
Well then, I guess if you're stuck somewhere between yellow and red, don't bother slamming on your brakes to stop for the light. Because you're getting a ticket one way or the other.

Basically encouraging people to continue running a red light should help with traffic $afety now shouldn't it?
2013-02-11 12:53:40 PM
1 votes:

jmr61: I have no problems with this. As a pedestrian I've had to walk around MANY cars that were way too far into the intersection and when I look at them they either are playing on their phone or feign not understanding what the problem is.  Or they are that stupid.  FARK THEM.

As to rolling stops and turns, FARKING STOP. It takes two seconds.

Been driving almost 40 years with one speeding ticket when I was about 20.

/And get off my lawn.


There's nothing quite like having some moron turning right (actually, whether it's red or not), blaring on their horn and cursing you because you're walking across "their" intersection.
2013-02-11 12:51:03 PM
1 votes:

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: If you nitwits would STOP at red lights, you wouldn't have a problem.


If it wasn't for the fact that this specific setup also happens by definition to nail people making a legal right-turn-on-red, I would agree with you.
2013-02-11 12:48:46 PM
1 votes:
I have no problems with this. As a pedestrian I've had to walk around MANY cars that were way too far into the intersection and when I look at them they either are playing on their phone or feign not understanding what the problem is.  Or they are that stupid.  FARK THEM.

As to rolling stops and turns, FARKING STOP. It takes two seconds.

Been driving almost 40 years with one speeding ticket when I was about 20.

/And get off my lawn.
2013-02-11 12:45:43 PM
1 votes:
Don't use black spray paint. It will be obvious.

Use a clear matte finish.
2013-02-11 12:42:16 PM
1 votes:
Wow another story about how red light cameras are for revenue and not safety, color me shocked. I hope these farkwads get sued and have their asses handed to them in court.
2013-02-11 12:42:08 PM
1 votes:

grinding_journalist: I should invent a costumed crusader called the "Sentry Smasher" where I travel to small towns and townships, smash all the red light cameras in one night, and disappear.


Imokwiththis.jpeg
2013-02-11 12:40:00 PM
1 votes:
If you can't do the time, don't think of the crime.
2013-02-11 12:39:02 PM
1 votes:
When asked, Montgomery County Police Capt. Thomas Didone said his department throws away tickets every day for drivers who inadvertently stopped past the white line or crosswalk

More likely they just tossed out tickets for the politicians and the police only...
2013-02-11 11:13:34 AM
1 votes:
I made the judgment that,

Wrong answer.
 
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