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(WTOP)   Maryland discovers that they can increase the $afety generated by red light cameras if they expand the net a bit. Potential new customers: people who didn't run a red light, people who might have thought about running a red light   (wtop.com) divider line 142
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2013-02-11 10:39:40 AM
Send them a picture of your money.
 
2013-02-11 11:13:34 AM
I made the judgment that,

Wrong answer.
 
2013-02-11 11:48:50 AM
""They always tell the public that cameras are meant to go after really dangerous drivers who deliberately speed and run red lights, but the real targets are ordinary drivers like you," says Ron Ely, editor of StopBigBrotherMd.  "

Yeah, because ordinary drivers are never dangerous, deliberately speed, or run red lights.
 
2013-02-11 12:01:49 PM
See, we got all these whackadoos running all over the country shooting up cops' relatives, people in malls, etc.  What we REALLY need to do is help them focus their range (and their sights) on red light cameras.
 
2013-02-11 12:02:31 PM

xanadian: range


RAGE!  I meant to type RAGE!!! FFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUU
 
2013-02-11 12:38:30 PM
If they ever start using these cameras to ticket jaywalkers then I'm totally screwed.
 
2013-02-11 12:39:02 PM
When asked, Montgomery County Police Capt. Thomas Didone said his department throws away tickets every day for drivers who inadvertently stopped past the white line or crosswalk

More likely they just tossed out tickets for the politicians and the police only...
 
2013-02-11 12:39:10 PM
FTFA: "Rockville City Police argue officers are simply enforcing the law enhancing city revenues."

FTFT...
 
2013-02-11 12:39:35 PM
I should invent a costumed crusader called the "Sentry Smasher" where I travel to small towns and townships, smash all the red light cameras in one night, and disappear.
 
2013-02-11 12:40:00 PM
If you can't do the time, don't think of the crime.
 
2013-02-11 12:40:11 PM
she did run that light at a pretty good speed..
 
2013-02-11 12:42:08 PM

grinding_journalist: I should invent a costumed crusader called the "Sentry Smasher" where I travel to small towns and townships, smash all the red light cameras in one night, and disappear.


Imokwiththis.jpeg
 
2013-02-11 12:42:16 PM
Wow another story about how red light cameras are for revenue and not safety, color me shocked. I hope these farkwads get sued and have their asses handed to them in court.
 
2013-02-11 12:42:25 PM

grinding_journalist: I should invent a costumed crusader called the "Sentry Smasher" where I travel to small towns and townships, smash all the red light cameras in one night, and disappear.


I have thought about doing this to not only red light cameras, but to street parking boxes in Chicago. All you would need is a can of black spray paint...
 
2013-02-11 12:43:38 PM
Just to get this straight, no one appears upset that running a red light but turning right while doing so or stopping on the far side of the stop line are traffic infractions, but they are upset because it is now being enforced?


Gotcha.
 
2013-02-11 12:44:51 PM
I got one of these rolling right turn tickets in Delaware a couple months ago, at about 7:00 AM on a Sunday morning when there was zero traffic around.  But I viewed the video, said "yup, that's me," and paid the ticket.  Is it stupid?  Yes.  Is it technically illegal?  Yes.

the moral of this story?  Wilmington, Delaware blows donkey dick.
 
2013-02-11 12:45:16 PM
How much longer before the GPS chip is tapped into on your vehicle and you are just mailed a speeding ticket?
 
2013-02-11 12:45:43 PM
Don't use black spray paint. It will be obvious.

Use a clear matte finish.
 
2013-02-11 12:45:51 PM
White / white with flecked paintballs + buddy in the car + paintball gun + driving below speed limit past known cameras = officials having to come out every week to clean of what appears to be bird turboshiatting on the lens.

Good times.
 
2013-02-11 12:45:57 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: How much longer before the GPS chip is tapped into on your vehicle and you are just mailed a speeding ticket?


Thursday.  You didn't get that letter from the DMV?
 
2013-02-11 12:46:35 PM
So the cops pay the tickets they get whenever they do a rolling stop as well, right? RIGHT?
 
2013-02-11 12:47:02 PM
 
2013-02-11 12:47:23 PM

curtis_e_bare: Just to get this straight, no one appears upset that running a red light but turning right while doing so or stopping on the far side of the stop line are traffic infractions, but they are upset because it is now being enforced?


Gotcha.


Right turn on red isn't a crime unless otherwise posted in MD, but Rockville will ticket you for it anyway.
 
2013-02-11 12:47:24 PM
The criminalization of the entire human race continues.
 
2013-02-11 12:47:46 PM
If you nitwits would STOP at red lights, you wouldn't have a problem. Also, if you weren't so damn "NO TAXES EVAR !!!!" then traffic fines and other government money-collecting schemes would go away. But, since taxes are bad, we get huge fees and fines. Which of course don't bother rich people, so they get to flout the law. Only the poors actually get in trouble.
 
2013-02-11 12:47:57 PM
Just a random trivia factoid for you photography types;

 Every red light camera design I know of does not have special or proprietary cameras inside. They use a standard professional DSLR linked into some special controller hardware through a tethering cable.

 The camera is currently a Nikon D3 or D3x with a either fast prime or a fast wide-mid zoom for low-light capture. I hear one company was using Canons; 1Dm3's and now m4's

 So yes, there is $6k+ of pro photo gear just sitting there in a box on a pole.

  Just sayin'
 
2013-02-11 12:48:14 PM
I feel safer already!
 
2013-02-11 12:48:46 PM
I have no problems with this. As a pedestrian I've had to walk around MANY cars that were way too far into the intersection and when I look at them they either are playing on their phone or feign not understanding what the problem is.  Or they are that stupid.  FARK THEM.

As to rolling stops and turns, FARKING STOP. It takes two seconds.

Been driving almost 40 years with one speeding ticket when I was about 20.

/And get off my lawn.
 
2013-02-11 12:49:43 PM
"I was floored. I am a safe and careful driver and as I approached this particular three-way intersection at West Gude Drive and Gaither Road on Aug. 7, I made the judgment that, since no traffic was coming from my left because the opposite intersection was turning left, this was a safe turn, " says driver Maggie Lora in an email to WTOP. Fortunately, she says Rockville City Police voided her ticket. The video below shows the specific traffic incident Lora was cited for.

She was justly cited for the incident.  She blatantly ran a red light.  If she stopped and then proceeded, I can see her ticket being voided.  However, she treated that as a green right arrow.

"Ninety percent of the tickets we're seeing across the country, according to some studies, for running red lights, are actually because the driver made a so-called rolling right turn on red. That shouldn't be the case. These cameras were designed for people who run the red light and barrel through the intersection," says Townsend.A 2004 study from Texas A&M's Transportation Institute (2004) found that accidents from these turns are exceedingly rare and don't pose a serious traffic safety problem.

Yeah, except that it's not rare.  Every 2 days at an intersection of 2 4-lane roads less than a mile from my house, there's an accident due to someone doing a roll on red.  Just looking at the past month's worth of accident records, every person who did the roll on red was cited...and justly cited.  The "so-called" roll on red is STILL running a red light.  Red means stop.  Red does not mean slow down and roll through if it pleases your highness.  Follow the law, or pony up the money to break it.
 
2013-02-11 12:51:03 PM

Dubya's_Coke_Dealer: If you nitwits would STOP at red lights, you wouldn't have a problem.


If it wasn't for the fact that this specific setup also happens by definition to nail people making a legal right-turn-on-red, I would agree with you.
 
2013-02-11 12:51:12 PM
I was always for red light cameras thinking they were for red light runners, but the whole enforcing the no touching the stop line rule is just bogus and because the cameras give out "red light violations" that are really nothing more then a fine... you get slapped with the same expensive fine as a red light runner for not running a red light. These petty violations get my "no" vote for cameras.
 
2013-02-11 12:51:57 PM
I hate red light cameras as much as the next guy, but technically the biatch did run a red light.  I'm surprised it was dismissed.
 
2013-02-11 12:52:08 PM
I commute through this sliver of an area where Rockville and Bethesda intersect and had gotten flashed 3 times at an intersection while my light was green. I've luckily been able to get the tickets dismissed. I've also noticed a driver in front of me, with a green signal, get flashed as well a number of times. So, does Maryland ever disable this camera or fix it? Nope. They started actually having a cop park at the corner of that street and I think he just notates when the camera flashes errantly and reports back.
 
2013-02-11 12:53:40 PM

jmr61: I have no problems with this. As a pedestrian I've had to walk around MANY cars that were way too far into the intersection and when I look at them they either are playing on their phone or feign not understanding what the problem is.  Or they are that stupid.  FARK THEM.

As to rolling stops and turns, FARKING STOP. It takes two seconds.

Been driving almost 40 years with one speeding ticket when I was about 20.

/And get off my lawn.


There's nothing quite like having some moron turning right (actually, whether it's red or not), blaring on their horn and cursing you because you're walking across "their" intersection.
 
2013-02-11 12:54:10 PM
Umm....

Is there a law forcing me to receive mail from the USPS? If I don't accept mail then how can I be fined by mail?
 
2013-02-11 12:54:20 PM

tallen702: curtis_e_bare: Just to get this straight, no one appears upset that running a red light but turning right while doing so or stopping on the far side of the stop line are traffic infractions, but they are upset because it is now being enforced?


Gotcha.

Right turn on red isn't a crime unless otherwise posted in MD, but Rockville will ticket you for it anyway.



I'm guessing (if it's anything like around here) that it's not the act of making a right on a red that got her a ticket but because she didn't stop first.
 
2013-02-11 12:54:29 PM
I have no problems with this. As a pedestrian I've had to walk around MANY cars that were way too far into the intersection and when I look at them they either are playing on their phone or feign not understanding what the problem is.  Or they are that stupid.  FARK THEM.

I fully agree. The best look I ever got was the old lady trying to figure out why I walked over the hood of her car. Made more sense than walking into oncoming cars.
 
2013-02-11 12:55:21 PM
I'm worried the next set of tickets will be for people who pull forward to make a left (legally, on green), but can't manage to cross traffic safely before the light turns. "well, you shouldn't have pulled into the intersection!"
Brilliant. We'll cause a whole new spate of accidents as people rush to cross traffic before the light.
 
2013-02-11 12:55:28 PM
Well then, I guess if you're stuck somewhere between yellow and red, don't bother slamming on your brakes to stop for the light. Because you're getting a ticket one way or the other.

Basically encouraging people to continue running a red light should help with traffic $afety now shouldn't it?
 
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2013-02-11 12:57:56 PM
just install the progressive insuarnace snapshot. run a red light without hitting your brakes and your gold. slam on your brakes to avoid a kid dashing out in the street.............you're a dangerous driver.
 
2013-02-11 12:58:24 PM
I fail to understand why they do not increase yellow light times and put in a visible yellow timer.  I have no idea if this will increase safety, but I like to think it would.
 
2013-02-11 12:59:04 PM
So, basically, they're ticketing people who stop in the intersection because they weren't paying attention to the light and they're ticketing people who are ignoring the light and running it during a turn. And I'm supposed to have a problem with this why?

Fark those people. I hate coming to an intersection and trying to make a left turn only to have to go wide around it because some dipshiat has rolled into the intersection to stop and I hate coming to an intersection and getting a green light only to have to stop or slow down because some dickhead to the right has decided to run it because apparently that's a-ok when you're making a right turn. In many cases even when there's a clear "NO TURN ON RED" sign.

Aside from cases where towns were intentionally shortening light cycles I have yet to see an example of why I should be outraged about these cameras. The "arguments" always come down to "we shouldn't have them because now my lazy driving is getting caught".

Not a compelling argument. You don't want a ticket for being a shiatty driver? Don't be a shiatty driver.
 
2013-02-11 01:01:25 PM

Endive Wombat: I fail to understand why they do not increase yellow light times and put in a visible yellow timer.  I have no idea if this will increase safety, but I like to think it would.


No it wouldn't increase safety. People would just speed up as the time is running out and that causes accidents. You can be ticketed for going through a yellow light. If you can stop safely, you are required to. Whether or not this is possible is the sole discretion of the police officer who tickets you
 
2013-02-11 01:02:52 PM

wildcardjack: Umm....

Is there a law forcing me to receive mail from the USPS? If I don't accept mail then how can I be fined by mail?


Really simple solution - AFAIK most places require you to be personally served by a cop within a certain time frame, 90d or so.  I got two letters in the mail, ignored them both.  Was semi-vigilant when leaving/getting home for a street cop around and made it the 90d.  No more letters and no fine paid!
 
2013-02-11 01:03:23 PM

KatjaMouse: I commute through this sliver of an area where Rockville and Bethesda intersect and had gotten flashed 3 times at an intersection while my light was green. I've luckily been able to get the tickets dismissed. I've also noticed a driver in front of me, with a green signal, get flashed as well a number of times. So, does Maryland ever disable this camera or fix it? Nope. They started actually having a cop park at the corner of that street and I think he just notates when the camera flashes errantly and reports back.


I play hockey off of East Gude.  I see these things go off all the time.  People will be sitting still at the red, and the flash will go off.  But these are all for safety.  Thanks Ike!
 
2013-02-11 01:04:01 PM
I hate this state. That is all. If I could leave I would.
 
2013-02-11 01:05:12 PM

JohnnyBravo: I hate this state. That is all. If I could leave I would.


Don't go back. You'll just waste another year.
 
2013-02-11 01:08:55 PM

Naesen: White / white with flecked paintballs + buddy in the car + paintball gun + driving below speed limit past known cameras = officials having to come out every week to clean of what appears to be bird turboshiatting on the lens.

Good times.


Note to self: Name new band "TurboShiatting."
 
2013-02-11 01:09:39 PM
OMG, they're enforcing the law!!!

This is an outrage?
 
2013-02-11 01:09:43 PM

Lady Beryl Ersatz-Wendigo: If they ever start using these cameras to ticket jaywalkers then I'm totally screwed.


Hopefully you will remain GETTING LUCKY.
 
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