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2013-02-11 06:26:10 AM  
16 votes:
As I said from the non-greenlit thread, who wants to take bets as to what scandal is about to erupt?  Because these days I don't believe something so huge and unexpected from the Church makes anyone think "oh it's really just his poor health."

Also, the last time the pope resigned was in 1415 to avoid a schism- here's the article on papal resgination on Wikipedia.
2013-02-11 06:25:04 AM  
11 votes:
I guess there's new information coming out about how he enabled child rape.
2013-02-11 06:31:33 AM  
8 votes:

Andromeda: As I said from the non-greenlit thread, who wants to take bets as to what scandal is about to erupt?  Because these days I don't believe something so huge and unexpected from the Church makes anyone think "oh it's really just his poor health."

Also, the last time the pope resigned was in 1415 to avoid a schism- here's the article on papal resgination on Wikipedia.


This. I remember during the final years of the papacy of John Paul II, there were many calls for him to stand down due to ill health. At that time everybody in the Church dismissed the very idea, saying that Popes don't resign; only God decides when they are done.

So yeah, I rate this explanation one rung above "spending more time with his family".
2013-02-11 06:28:33 AM  
8 votes:
First time in 600 years....

So who here thinks that someone has proof that he either actively covered up a child abuse scandal, or that he did a little boy himself.

Personally I think he's doing a tricky Dick and resigning as part of a deal to avoid the details coming out.
2013-02-11 06:28:30 AM  
8 votes:
He was always a temp-pope anyway. The choice for next pope will be revealing.
2013-02-11 06:29:29 AM  
6 votes:
Didn't someone point out a while back that they picked an old guy for pope in the first place so they had time to pick a better candidate for pope that would be around a while?
2013-02-11 06:29:53 AM  
5 votes:
I did Nazi this coming.Also, good riddance.
2013-02-11 06:29:36 AM  
5 votes:
He ran the inquisition that tracked every single molestation case in the church worldwide. He would have never survived any scrutiny when the documents are finally revealed.
2013-02-11 06:24:15 AM  
5 votes:
Quitter.
2013-02-11 10:06:32 AM  
4 votes:
tinfoil-hat maggie:

But what I got out of that is this guy
upload.wikimedia.org

I for one, vote no popes that look like Dick Cheney.
2013-02-11 09:02:12 AM  
4 votes:
May probe helpful in the coming days:

Cardinal Dionigi Tettamanzi
Dionigi Tettamanzi is probably the leading Italian candidate for pope. The Italian contingent of cardinals is fairly well disciplined and likely want to return the papacy to an Italian, so if they are able to succeed it will likely be with Tettamanzi.

Cardinal Angelo Sodano
Angelo Sodano has been criticized for the influence he exercised over John Paul II. A number of cardinals named by the pope in 2001 were, for example, from Sodano's own sphere of influence. Such actions win as many friends as enemies.

Cardinal Christoph Schoenborn
Christoph Schoenborn may be too young to be elected pope. It is true that John Paul II was elected at a young age, but it's unlikely that the cardinals would want to have another pontiff rule for a stretch of two or three decades.

Cardinal Oscar Andres Rodriguez Maradiaga
Oscar Andres Rodriguez Maradiaga is young and, therefore, not in the forefront of Latin American cardinals who could be elected pope. Of course, being young didn't stop John Paul II from being elected, but it is unlikely that the cardinals would want another 25-year pontificate.

Cardinal Giovanni Battista Re
Giovanni Battista Re has staunchly defended tradition, but he has also been something of a moderate - for example, expressing support for greater decentralization and giving more power to local churches.

 Cardinal Jose Da Cruz Policarpo
Jose Da Cruz Policarpo is not well known because he has spent most of his life working in Portugal. He is, however, evidently popular among the cardinals and this means that he may have a chance at winning - especially if the cardinals wish to elect someone that isn't an "expected" choice by outsiders.

Cardinal Ivan Dias
Ivan Dias is theologically conservative, something which stands in contrast to some of the more unusual views common among India's Catholics.

Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio
Probably the strongest factor working against Bergoglio is the fact that he is a Jesuit. He would be the first Jesuit pope if elected, but there continues to be strong anti-Jesuit feelings within the Catholic church, and even some Jesuits oppose the idea of one of their own rising to the office of pope.

Cardinal Nicolas De Jesus Lopez Rodriguez
Nicolas De Jesus Lopez Rodriguez would likely receive support from various factions of conservative cardinals who are looking for a candidate who will defend traditional theology and orthodox doctrines. Rodriguez would ensure that the Catholic church would not grow more liberal in any key areas.

Cardinal Walter Kasper
Because of his moderate theological views, Walter Kasper has been popular with liberal and progressive Catholics. Because of his support for decentralization in the Vatican hierarchy, he has also gained some support from those who are otherwise conservative.

Cardinal Lubomyr Husar
Lubomyr Husar is theologically moderate. He defends conservative tradition when it comes to matters of doctrine, but coming from an Eastern tradition gives him a perspective interpreted by many as somewhat progressive.

Cardinal Claudio Hummes
Claudio Hummes could be perceived as a good balance between progressive and conservative trends. He started out liberal, became more conservative, yet continues to defend certain progressive positions.

Cardinal Godfried Danneels
Because of Godfried Danneels' progressive views, voting for him to become pope would mean voting for major changes in the Catholic church. Danneels supports changes in many different church positions. He would, for example, try to put more women in positions of responsibility, such as running a congregation of the Roman Curia.

Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos
Dario Castrillon Hoyos, like so much of the clergy in Latin America, has focused a great deal on defending the poor despite his opposition to liberation theology. If the cardinals pick a third world pope, one from Latin America may make the most sense.
Cardinal Francis Arinze

If Francis Arinze is elected pope, he would not be the first African pope, but he would be the first African pope in more than 1,500 years. The prospect of a black pope from Africa has captured the imagination of Catholics and non-Catholics all over the world.
2013-02-11 07:48:51 AM  
4 votes:
Another abrupt end of German occupation of a formerly Polish territory...
2013-02-11 07:00:19 AM  
4 votes:

maddogdelta: I guess there's new information coming out about how he enabled child rape.


I doubt it.  His role in enabling and covering up the pedophilia scandal as JPII 's head of the Office of Inquisition, which handles things like priestly discipline, and his role in spiriting Cardinal law of Boston out of the US and putting him in a position that made him un-extraditable is well known and was known before his election=which was all but gauranteed since he took advantage of John Paul's Failing health to pack the College of Cardinals hand-picked people.

Though, given that he chose the ruling name of Benedict specifically to comport with the Prophecy of St. Malachy ("glory of Olives".  Olives being the symbol of St. Benedict)   that must mean he things the Apocalypse is upon us, as the prophecy lists only one Pope after "Glory of Olives: of which it says:
In the extreme persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit [i.e., as bishop].
Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations:
and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed,
and the terrible judge will judge his people.

Happy end of the world everyone!
2013-02-11 06:52:16 AM  
4 votes:
I just want to note that in 2009, he visited the remains of Pope Celestine V at the site of the L'Aquila earthquakes and left his papal vestments from his inauguration with the body of Celestine V as a gift.

Celestine V is well-known as the pope who declared the right of papal abdication and left the Papacy after about 6 months.

A lot of observers at the time wondered what the hell the visit by Benedict XVI meant in 2009. I guess now we know.
2013-02-11 06:33:32 AM  
4 votes:
He should be sharing a jail cell with Jerry Sandusky
2013-02-11 06:30:47 AM  
4 votes:
There is no way his next holiness could be more photoshop ready.

This is a sad day for all of us.
2013-02-11 06:29:21 AM  
4 votes:
msnbcmedia.msn.com

James Franco was really into his role as Pope Benedict XVI.
2013-02-11 10:58:11 AM  
3 votes:

nekom: ph0rk: I guess it would be pretty futile to hope for a liberal pontiff.

Liberal and conservative are really relative terms. I wouldn't look for the next pope to come out in favor of gay marriage or anything, but it's conceivable that the new guy might be somewhat more liberal in some areas.


I'd be happy with one as liberal as John Paul II.

Ideally, one that pushes to relax the celibacy bullshiat.

At very least, one that won't constantly harp about abortion and birth control in an ill-informed manner, like Ratz.
2013-02-11 08:19:56 AM  
3 votes:

HaywoodJablonski: What kind of pope resigns at the start of Lent? Giving up the papacy for Lent probably won't go over so well in Heaven


thinkprogress.org
BXVI: "I'm sorry Jesus...I just don't feel up to the job anymore. It's such so difficult. The world says
such unkind things about me and my health  isn't the greatest anymore you know..."

www.divinelove.co.za
Jesus: "You want to quit because you don't FEEL GOOD????"
2013-02-11 07:32:10 AM  
3 votes:
The people who think there's a big scandal brewing which required Star Wars Pope's resignation don't seem to understand - it wouldn't be an issue. People in those circles may certainly be shifty and tricky, but there is a key element which would make resigning a impossibility: they never believe they've actually done anything wrong, and moreso even if they have, who are you to question?

The histories of any large religion and/or cult are full of examples of people in charge being caught out, only to never recant - often to their dying breath - some of their more heinous crimes.

To put it another way, even if there was a massive scandal on the horizon, with evidence, the Pope would ride it out, as:
1) most followers would dismiss it;
2) a lot of people outside the church wouldn't care anyway - it's hardly a Superbowl blackout scandal, is it? And;
3) if the people implicated were at the top of the food chain, the wouldn't think they had done anything wrong in the first place. Hell, half of them would believe they had done good work in ensuring the status quo - and I'm not talking about the band, although they probably should be set on fire, just to be safe.

So,,,The exports of Libya are numerous in amount. One thing they export is corn, or as the Indians call it, "maize". Another famous Indian was "Crazy Horse". In conclusion, Libya is a land of contrast. Thank you.
2013-02-11 07:11:23 AM  
3 votes:

WaitWhatWhy: geom_00: Looking at a list of the College of Cardinals  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Cardinals#Members_of_the_Coll e ge_of_Cardinals :

The youngest Cardinal I saw was born in 1950.

John Paul II was 58 when elected.  The YOUNGEST POPE who could be elected would already by 63

Technically, you don't even need to be a priest to be elected Pope, just a baptized male. There's not law requiring that they choose among cardinals, just lots of tradition.




Stephen Colbert for Pope. He had a crack at it last time, maybe he's wearing them down.
2013-02-11 06:54:08 AM  
3 votes:

avalanche: I would never have expected this. I don't think it has much to do with the abuse scandals considering how much they dug in their heels already. Besides, that's been ongoing for years. Maybe something with the butler thing as others mentioned upthread.


Whatever the reason, Benedict's leaving is no great loss for the church.
2013-02-11 06:43:33 AM  
3 votes:

greentea1985: That's part of why this seems so strange. Popes only resign under really pressing circumstances, like preventing a schism. I find health to be stretching it a bit.


The only thing that would make sense to me is if he's been diagnosed with Alzheimers. If he knows that he's going to lose his mind, and could take a long time to die, then I could see him resigning.

I still think that the odds are better that he's resigning because of a scandal.
2013-02-11 06:36:48 AM  
3 votes:
What are the odds on a "heart attack" three days into his retirement?
2013-02-11 06:33:37 AM  
3 votes:

greentea1985: He can. Popes have resigned before, but the last one was back in the 1400s. Usually they just die in office. Either he';s starting to go senile (hence the wording "healthy in body and mind") and felt unable to lead the Church, there's a really damaging report coming out on his role in the sex abuse scandal (there is already strong circumstantial evidence that he helped cover up cases in Germany), or a combination of both. I wonder who the new pope will be.


Senility didn't stop JP2. Besides, hearing voices is a requirement for becoming Pope.
2013-02-11 06:33:13 AM  
3 votes:
I wonder if that means he can vote in conclave for the next pope, or be totally removed from the process.

I still consider myself Catholic, although I rarely go to mass these days. I don't think he's left much of a legacy. The next Pope is going to have to resolve the pedophilia scandals and hopefully reform the priesthood. I think it shows a lot of humility that Benedict accepts he's not up to the task anymore and is willing to step aside.
2013-02-11 06:33:08 AM  
3 votes:

BigBooper: beerbaron: He was always a temp-pope anyway. The choice for next pope will be revealing.

Yea, cause when they select an old conservative who wants to run the church like it was the middle ages it will be a big surprise.


Let's be fair. At his worst, Benedict XVI is nowhere as bad as his medieval predecessors were. Not even in the same order of magnitude.
2013-02-11 06:32:51 AM  
3 votes:

log_jammin: Andromeda: As I said from the non-greenlit thread, who wants to take bets as to what scandal is about to erupt?

The awesome part is, even if there is no scandal the conspiracy types will invent one.


Invent one?!?! How about just picking one of the many that are already out?
2013-02-11 06:30:39 AM  
3 votes:

Andromeda: As I said from the non-greenlit thread, who wants to take bets as to what scandal is about to erupt?


The awesome part is, even if there is no scandal the conspiracy types will invent one.
2013-02-11 06:29:24 AM  
3 votes:
This is bad news....... for..well....nobody .
2013-02-11 06:24:57 AM  
3 votes:
He's only following the example of his illustrious predecessor, Benedict IX.
2013-02-11 01:23:06 PM  
2 votes:
I'm in the 'too old' camp. TFA says the guy's having a hard time  walking. At some point, you actually  can't perform any duties of the church. Leading Mass at least kind of requires the ability to function.
2013-02-11 11:17:11 AM  
2 votes:

Serious Black: Andromeda: As I said from the non-greenlit thread, who wants to take bets as to what scandal is about to erupt?  Because these days I don't believe something so huge and unexpected from the Church makes anyone think "oh it's really just his poor health."

Also, the last time the pope resigned was in 1415 to avoid a schism- here's the article on papal resgination on Wikipedia.

Probably child rape enabling.

/lame-ass headline, Farkmin


Or caught inflagrante with his male lover.
2013-02-11 11:08:58 AM  
2 votes:
Holy Shiat! I have two VERY Catholic sisters who are in fits on Facebook right now. I'm trying my hardest not to mock them. They're in FITS. I seriously think I'm going to have to sit on my own hands, just to spare their feelings today.
2013-02-11 11:07:47 AM  
2 votes:

Mrtraveler01: Pontious Pilates: The new Pope will be from the southern hemisphere, mark my words. It's the only part of the world left where the Church has any ground to gain.

/recovering catholic

Nah, the Catholic Church is a very Euro-centric group much like the International Olympic Comittee and FIFA. In that they may do a few goodwill gestures, but when it comes to leadership, they stick with the status quo.

The day they nominate a non-European pope is the day that I start to believe that the Catholic Church is ditching the status quo and adapting to modern times.


I'd argue the opposite. Embracing the developing world and their... less modern values would signal a continuation of the conservative policies and renaissance that began with Benny's appointment. Even at the time, he was widely viewed as a "caretaker" pope who would obviously not be around for long, but would roll back some of JP2's more "tolerant" policies. I remember Benedict speaking about "culling the herd" and that if modern Catholics weren't willing to return to a more conservative time in the Church (pre-Vatican II, basically), well, then... Fark them, and god bless.

South America and Africa, IIRC, are the only parts of the world where the church is showing signs of growth. With so much bad press in Europe and North America recently, the developing world is the only place the church can turn and see the flock growing. Some would say taking advantage of less savvy populations is how the Church buttered their bread to begin with. Another European pope, while exciting to the diehards in the flock, won't do much to grow the church's influence anywhere.

But I say this all as a mostly disinterested outside observer. I was raised pretty seriously catholic and still consider myself a "cultural catholic," but I long ago left behind the dogma, let alone the reprehensible organizational behavior we all know about.
2013-02-11 11:06:47 AM  
2 votes:
We need a gay Mexican atheist as a Pope.
2013-02-11 10:59:48 AM  
2 votes:
1. Priests allowed to marry.
2. Allow the use of birth control
3. Equality for women (yes female priests)
4. A far more liberal view about homosexuality
5.Pedophiles and those who hide their crimes should be removed from their positions, and any and all evidence of their crimes handed over to local authorities


5 things which never, ever happen in the catholic church. Ever.
The GOP will nominate a poor, black, gay woman before this happens.
2013-02-11 10:44:05 AM  
2 votes:

blazemongr: Where do I contribute to my favorite papal candidate's re-election fund? Do they have superPACs?


SuperPax.
2013-02-11 10:11:01 AM  
2 votes:
Maybe it's related to the money laundering scandal, and the Italian's decision to start taxing papal properties (outside Vatican city, of course)
2013-02-11 10:07:15 AM  
2 votes:

RexTalionis: ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Nazi

You know, I don't know if it's really all that fair to criticize Benedict XVI as a Nazi. He was never a member of the party, and while he was a member of the Hitler Youth, German Law mandates all children above a certain age at the time to be members and it was noted that he was not a particularly willing participant in the Hitler Youth.


A lot of vile shiat was mandatory under Nazi Germany.  Doesn't give you a pass.
2013-02-11 10:05:01 AM  
2 votes:
Our next Pope:
www.sadgeezer.com
2013-02-11 09:15:21 AM  
2 votes:
There is nothing HOLY about the papacy and/or the bible.
2013-02-11 09:05:11 AM  
2 votes:

Farking Canuck: Maybe this time they'll not pick a nazi.


When picking someone to run your world-wide child rape cult, does it  really matter if they were a Nazi or not?  Haven't you completely given up the moral high-ground at that point?
2013-02-11 08:54:12 AM  
2 votes:

gadian: I didn't know they could do that.  I'm imagining that fast food scene - "fark you, fark you, you're cool, etc."  Is there an old Pope's retirement home?


It's called hell.
2013-02-11 08:49:48 AM  
2 votes:
deathandtaxesmag.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com
good thing he already has a successor lined up.
2013-02-11 08:38:03 AM  
2 votes:
Microsoft releases the Surface Pro and the Pope announces his abdication. Coincidence?
2013-02-11 08:28:19 AM  
2 votes:
Andromeda: Another thing I've just considered- my understanding is one main reason you don't choose the next one until after he dies is so he can't influence the election of his successor.  Which even if he can't vote Benedict obviously will be able to do.

Really sucks for those who are involved in the Church and were hoping to take it in a new direction.


This.  But the timing for this decision was certainly propitious.  "As a condition of its 2007 legal settlement with past victims of sexual misconduct, the Los Angeles Archdiocese promised to release http://clergyfiles.la-archdiocese.org/listing.html">documents in church archives that detail the church's attempts to handle steady reports of priestly misconduct." Those documents have only started coming out the last week of January - it's possible that the current Pope will be even more of an embarassment than he already was - I don't know how much of an impediment to the Catholic Church thriving in this time he was, but can you think of a Moral Authority with less Moral Authority than that which allows those in which you have been asked time and again to grant trust to your soul, to rape your kids?  With impunity?

After all, I agree - resigning from the post of "He who should intercede for us with God - chosen by God" doesn't really sound like a choice under the terms of the "contract" - of course, boy farking shouldn't be in the terms of the contract either.  Imagine my surprise.  This motherfarker should have been burned.

But now he'll get a chance to hand pick his successor - and don't think he won't have influence.  It's as bad as the Borgias and the Medicis. For those who'd like to see the Catholic Church as a force for good in the world, there is little hope that someone actually moral and upright will be chosen to purge the cancer and lead to a place of trust.
2013-02-11 07:55:32 AM  
2 votes:
CBS is reporting that he is leaving the Pope job to fill the recently opened defensive coordinator position with Penn State.
2013-02-11 07:25:54 AM  
2 votes:
Vote for me.
2013-02-11 07:20:24 AM  
2 votes:
img58.imageshack.us ?
2013-02-11 07:15:00 AM  
2 votes:

thisispete: I wonder if that means he can vote in conclave for the next pope, or be totally removed from the process.

I still consider myself Catholic, although I rarely go to mass these days. I don't think he's left much of a legacy. The next Pope is going to have to resolve the pedophilia scandals and hopefully reform the priesthood. I think it shows a lot of humility that Benedict accepts he's not up to the task anymore and is willing to step aside.


There is something about only the cardinals under 80 can vote. He's 85, so if they stick to the rule, no.

Also, GMA just asked some priest spokesguy what this Pope will be remembered for. He stumbled for a bit and then said, "He was a teaching pope, with his book..."

Yeah, no.

Also, it was asked if we'd ever see an American pope. The answer was, "The Catholic church sees America as a source of funds, not Popes."

So there you go, US Catholics. Your role in the greater church.
2013-02-11 07:10:54 AM  
2 votes:
Good riddance, you nazi piece of shiat.
2013-02-11 07:07:28 AM  
2 votes:

geom_00: Looking at a list of the College of Cardinals  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Cardinals#Members_of_the_Coll e ge_of_Cardinals :

The youngest Cardinal I saw was born in 1950.

John Paul II was 58 when elected.  The YOUNGEST POPE who could be elected would already by 63


Technically, you don't even need to be a priest to be elected Pope, just a baptized male. There's not law requiring that they choose among cardinals, just lots of tradition.
2013-02-11 07:06:37 AM  
2 votes:
The miute I heard this (about a minute ago) I called shenanigans on the whole "poor health" thing. Popes do not resign. They just don't.

Scandal coming out.
2013-02-11 07:00:37 AM  
2 votes:

Andromeda: As I said from the non-greenlit thread, who wants to take bets as to what scandal is about to erupt?  Because these days I don't believe something so huge and unexpected from the Church makes anyone think "oh it's really just his poor health."

Also, the last time the pope resigned was in 1415 to avoid a schism- here's the article on papal resgination on Wikipedia.


Count me among those who was frankly surprised that popes can technically abdicate in the first place.  (I know it's not quite being a god-emperor on the "Difficulty In Actually Abdicating The Throne" position, but..well...being the functional head of the largest Christian church, smallest technically independent state, and largest tax-exempt business empire in the world is its own kind of special.)

Then again, I'll also admit I'm not Catholic, have only had passing acquaintances with folks who are Catholic, and hence don't really know all the intricacies of papal law and the Official Procedure For Papal Abdication (which apparently hasn't been used since the Church threatened to do the Great Schism 2.0 back in the 1400s, if Teh Wikipedia and Catholicism wikis are any authority).  For all I honestly know about the matter, the House of Cardinals accepts a properly written (in Latin, yet) "Fark This For Two Weeks In France With A Woman With Tig-Ol' Bitties, I'm Out" notice and then proceeds to play a merry game of Duck Duck Pope.

I also have to seriously wonder what kind of kerfluffle is causing the Pope to resign.  There's been some pretty poor-in-health popes on the throne before (and it's not like the Catholic Church has vice-popes to take over when the Pontiff is unwell); also, popes do tend to be pretty darn devoted to their jobs, and usually the very few cases where a pontiff HAS abdicated have involved them basically falling on their swords (metaphorically speaking) to preserve the One True Holy Church.  (Part of me wonders if there HAS been something found out solidly tying ol' Benedict to the coverup of child sexual abuse in Catholic churches worldwide--no, it's not just North America having a major brouhaha over this.)

/seriously, I did not know before today that popes could abdicate
2013-02-11 06:57:55 AM  
2 votes:
i36.photobucket.com
2013-02-11 06:47:08 AM  
2 votes:
Pay very close attention to what happens in the world in the shadow of this news. Watch the news that gets buried on the back pages while everyone is focusing on this. This could in fact be a massive purposeful distraction.

/conspiracy
2013-02-11 06:45:24 AM  
2 votes:
Maybe he just wants some pussy?
2013-02-11 06:43:55 AM  
2 votes:
Whoever they choose as the new Pope, she'd better be black.
2013-02-11 06:40:41 AM  
2 votes:
www.moviegoods.com
2013-02-11 06:35:42 AM  
2 votes:

RexTalionis: He's only following the example of his illustrious predecessor, Benedict IX.


So he's going to sell the Papacy and return to hold it three times?
2013-02-11 06:34:07 AM  
2 votes:
Will he be returning to Naboo?
2013-02-11 06:31:49 AM  
2 votes:
This position is supposed to be a direct link to god.  It doesn't seem like it's a job you can just quit.

 Oh well,I'm sure they won't have any trouble finding another pedophile enabler to replace him.
2013-02-11 06:30:34 AM  
2 votes:

Mr.Tangent: Andromeda: As I said from the non-greenlit thread, who wants to take bets as to what scandal is about to erupt?

What could be worse than we already know?


Seeing as they didn't kick him out for what we already knew... it's going to be pretty bad.
2013-02-11 06:28:33 AM  
2 votes:

punishmentforshoplifting: Wait...can he do that?


Yup. Lot's of precedent, though all of it centuries old.
2013-02-11 06:28:16 AM  
2 votes:
Well that doesn't happen very often.
2013-02-11 06:28:06 AM  
2 votes:
Um, he's sick. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.
2013-02-11 06:27:57 AM  
2 votes:

maddogdelta: I guess there's new information coming out about how he enabled child rape.


Unlikely. If the church considered child rape to be a problem, plenty of others would have gone before now. More likely he got caught doing something immoral and reprehensible, like genuflecting on the wrong knee.
2013-02-11 06:25:23 AM  
2 votes:
Pope poops out. Catholics craving closure. Altar boys aspire to avoid assrape.
2013-02-12 07:26:27 PM  
1 votes:

Sunrazor: He isn't resigning for health reasons.  He just lost a game of mahjong


Thank Japan for that Koizumi. Is there anything that ex-Prime Minister can't do?

Leave behind a functional political party :p
2013-02-11 10:49:10 PM  
1 votes:

LoneWolf343: Loadmaster: Shadow writer: If Francis Arinze is elected pope, he would not be the first African pope, but he would be the first African pope in more than 1,500 years. The prospect of a black pope from Africa has captured the imagination of Catholics and non-Catholics all over the world.

LoneWolf343: Christ, can you imagine the resulting butthurt? It would be of biblical proportions.

You're obviously not familiar with the Biblical story of the Ethiopian christian.


//And don't call me Christ

Oh, I am familiar with it. The problem is that certain other parties aren't. Seriously, you've seen what some have done when the US elected a black president; imagine what would would happen if we got a black Pope?


Practicing Catholic, I have even money on either an African Pope or a conservative South American one.  The Africans tend to be more socially conservative, so there are some higher up bishops who could fit the bill. South America has great growth potential but their bishops tend toward a more liberal interpretation of what comes out of Rome.  It could be an interesting conclave.

Of course, they could also just go with another white European as a place holder if they aren't quite ready for too much change.  That's all Ratzinger was.  They have to let the elder member of the College of Cardinals die off before the next wave of reform takes place, so they may just pick someone to hold the same course for the next 10 years.
2013-02-11 05:42:58 PM  
1 votes:
images2.wikia.nocookie.net

Look, I know a lot of people aren't taking the news too well about Twilight Sparkle becoming an alicorn, but this is a bit overdramatic.
2013-02-11 05:11:58 PM  
1 votes:

ManateeGag: he's can't be the pope. he's muslim.


Oddly, though the prospect is absurdly unlikely, there's no requirements set in the Universi Dominici Gregis to prohibit a Muslim from becoming Pope.

Aar1012: Any catholic male can be elected pope.


Neither "Catholic" nor "male" appear to be explicit requirements either. The requirements are merely a 2/3 majority vote from the college of cardinals and acceptance of the job.

Of course, once you say yes, you're immediately ordained as Bishop of Rome if you weren't a bishop already, and become Catholic by definition.
2013-02-11 03:15:29 PM  
1 votes:
I feel that the power of Christ compels me to toss my mitre into the ring. You hear that College of Cardinals? That's the sound of the DreamyAltarBoy kicking down the doors of St Peter's Basillica. I'm coming for ya, and if you know what's good for you you'll vote AltarBoy 2013.
2013-02-11 02:05:16 PM  
1 votes:

Great Porn Dragon: /seriously, I did not know before today that popes could abdicate


Doesn't even have an age limit on it. The Pope just has to freely admit he's resigning.
2013-02-11 01:47:50 PM  
1 votes:

Bill_Z_Bub: Petrus Romanus up next
Could everyone stop having a doomsday, please.


The top contenders to replace Benny are supposedly African.  I'm predicting the remaining European/Italian cardinals will rebel at picking a non-white Pope, and will elect their own Italian anti-Pope.  He will take the name "Peter II", aka Petrus Romanus from the prophesy.

Papal Schism, here we come.
2013-02-11 01:35:42 PM  
1 votes:
I hope the next pope chooses Peter for his name just so the conspiracy nuts will blow a gasket.
2013-02-11 12:45:42 PM  
1 votes:

LoneWolf343: Shadow writer: If Francis Arinze is elected pope, he would not be the first African pope, but he would be the first African pope in more than 1,500 years. The prospect of a black pope from Africa has captured the imagination of Catholics and non-Catholics all over the world.

Christ, can you imagine the resulting butthurt? It would be of biblical proportions.


www.wearysloth.com
Usul, we have butthurtsign the likes of which even God has never seen.
2013-02-11 12:09:59 PM  
1 votes:
"Papal" is one of those words that sounds dirty but isn't, like "uvula"...
2013-02-11 11:58:18 AM  
1 votes:

TommyDeuce: BigBooper: geom_00: NobleHam: Yes.

Thanks.

Memo to the College of Cardinals.  PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND ALL THINGS HOLY...THINK MODERATE OR LIBERAL!

/Snowballs chance in hell.  I know.

Wish list that might bring me back to the church:
1. Priests allowed to marry.
2. Allow the use of birth control
3. Equality for women (yes female priests)
4. A far more liberal view about homosexuality

Yep. not a snowballs chance in hell.

/haven't been in a church in years
//my daughters have never been in a church

So, basically ELCA Lutheran (as long as you aren't looking for use of Latin in service)


Naw, if the Roman Catholics and a branch of Lutherans are going to unite, the Lutherans will be Missouri or Wisconsin Synod.
2013-02-11 11:44:37 AM  
1 votes:
After the 2008 election I took the steps to leave the Catholic church, and joined the Episcopal Church. It is so comfortable here. Everyone is treated equally here. Women, men, gay, straight, young, old, you name it. Ginger priests, our gay priest married his long time love, they are adopting now, we are so happy for them. The whole choir turned out for the wedding, along with 3 bishops.

What is sad is that JP2 packed the college with conservative Cardinals, so the next Pope will be just as conservative, if not more so. The church will not change, there will be no women priests, no married priests, it will be like the Republican party, with a Teaparty fringe leading the way. Women who stay have Stockholm syndrome. Gays who stay, I can't answer for them. I have no idea. But the Episcopal Church is a good home for those who like a warm place with structure, and love.
2013-02-11 11:40:40 AM  
1 votes:

cameroncrazy1984: Maybe it's just my atheism talking but that still sounds ridiculous. "This can't be wrong because God wouldn't let me be wrong on such a weighty issue."

Plus, a lot of popes have been wrong about a lot of big things.


Yeah, it's not without it's issues, especially since a couple of popes were excommunicated for heresy. There's a few other routes for the infallibility of the church as well, but it boils down to the same thing, a faith that God won't let them screw it up.

/also an atheist, now.
2013-02-11 11:38:33 AM  
1 votes:

BarkingUnicorn: RexTalionis: He's only following the example of his illustrious predecessor, Benedict IX.

So he's going to sell the Papacy and return to hold it three times?


I can't wait for Pope Blagojevich I
2013-02-11 11:37:30 AM  
1 votes:

poorcku: Heron: The Popes claim they're god's representative on Earth,

facepalm.jpg


They don't say it in so many words, but it's what everything they do say amounts to. The nonsense about Peter, the lies about Constantine "selling" them the Empire, the enthronement ceremony, the asserted primacy of the Church in worldly affairs, the asserted divine nature of the Church as "The Body of Christ"; you can call a shovel a pole-mounted excavation device but it's still a shovel regardless of your rhetoric. Similarly, you can call yourself the "Heir to Peter", "the Head of the Church", "The Agent of Christ ("Agent" is what Vicar Means)", and the "Bridge to God (Pontiff means "Bridge-builder")" all you want; what it amounts to is saying god speaks to you and you speak for god to humanity.
2013-02-11 11:31:35 AM  
1 votes:

parahaps: ecmoRandomNumbers: Grand_Moff_Joseph: ecmoRandomNumbers: Holy Shiat! I have two VERY Catholic sisters who are in fits on Facebook right now. I'm trying my hardest not to mock them. They're in FITS. I seriously think I'm going to have to sit on my own hands, just to spare their feelings today.

??  What, Darth Benedict was their hero, I presume?

Hi, I'm the Catholic Infallibility Doctrine. Have we met?

Not everything the Pope says/does is considered infallible. They have to kind of invoke the infallibility for certain declarations.


That is, legitimately, retarded.

"hi, I'm infallible but only when I say I am."
2013-02-11 11:22:08 AM  
1 votes:

BigBooper: geom_00: NobleHam: Yes.

Thanks.

Memo to the College of Cardinals.  PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND ALL THINGS HOLY...THINK MODERATE OR LIBERAL!

/Snowballs chance in hell.  I know.

Wish list that might bring me back to the church:
1. Priests allowed to marry.
2. Allow the use of birth control
3. Equality for women (yes female priests)
4. A far more liberal view about homosexuality

Yep. not a snowballs chance in hell.


You forgot
6. Liberation theology

Honestly, things were going pretty well with the Church until  the late 1970s. 1962-1978 was a kind of Golden Age --- until the old guard panicked and fought back against all the progress that was being made.
2013-02-11 11:15:34 AM  
1 votes:
So basically he ragequit?.
2013-02-11 11:14:41 AM  
1 votes:
i227.photobucket.com
2013-02-11 11:14:09 AM  
1 votes:

BigBooper: Back pages? There are back pages on the internet? What have I been missing?

/NOTHING can be buried in the internet age


The Straight Dope:  How can I access the deep, dark Web?
2013-02-11 11:06:15 AM  
1 votes:

Andromeda: As I said from the non-greenlit thread, who wants to take bets as to what scandal is about to erupt?  Because these days I don't believe something so huge and unexpected from the Church makes anyone think "oh it's really just his poor health."

Also, the last time the pope resigned was in 1415 to avoid a schism- here's the article on papal resgination on Wikipedia.


My money is on "wants to influence the next choice" along with a touch of your post. Good riddance.

PJPII was flawed as hell to be sure but the importance he put on social justice kept me in the church through HS. Only thing that did, so I suppose thanks for the push out, Ratzinger.
2013-02-11 11:04:31 AM  
1 votes:

skullkrusher:
like social justice. Popes have been flaming pinkos in that regard for decades. Except the actual pinko part.


Kinda. "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." Ok that's not from a pope, but an archbishop. I've heard Catholicism indicted as one of the reason there are so many left wing rebel groups in South and central America. If you actually try to live the way Jesus taught, it does tend to lend itself to a lot of left wing thinking.
2013-02-11 11:03:05 AM  
1 votes:
This year, the vatican will ban all trouble making teenagers from the premisis lest the new pope could be this:

2.bp.blogspot.com
2013-02-11 11:01:48 AM  
1 votes:

punishmentforshoplifting: Wait...can he do that?


Sure. It's an elected position after all; The Popes claim they're god's representative on Earth, but they don't pretend to be divinely chosen. However, that's not as potentially funny so;

Oh, I get it; so when he doesn't want the job anymore suddenly that whole "the Church is infallible" thing goes out the window. I see how it is; looks like the rules say whatever the guys making them want them too. Really Surprising, Benny; reeeaaal surprising *eye-roll*.
2013-02-11 10:56:36 AM  
1 votes:

maddogdelta: I guess there's new information coming out about how he enabled child rape.

2013-02-11 10:55:29 AM  
1 votes:

ur14me: Um, he's sick. My best friend's sister's boyfriend's brother's girlfriend heard from this guy who knows this kid who's going with the girl who saw Ferris pass out at 31 Flavors last night. I guess it's pretty serious.


The Church can take care of this.  All they have to do is drive the popemobile home backwards.
2013-02-11 10:50:11 AM  
1 votes:
I guess it would be pretty futile to hope for a liberal pontiff.
2013-02-11 10:47:50 AM  
1 votes:
Those who can, do. Those who can't, Pope.
2013-02-11 10:46:52 AM  
1 votes:

Pontious Pilates: The new Pope will be from the southern hemisphere, mark my words. It's the only part of the world left where the Church has any ground to gain.

/recovering catholic


Nah, the Catholic Church is a very Euro-centric group much like the International Olympic Comittee and FIFA. In that they may do a few goodwill gestures, but when it comes to leadership, they stick with the status quo.

The day they nominate a non-European pope is the day that I start to believe that the Catholic Church is ditching the status quo and adapting to modern times.
2013-02-11 10:46:42 AM  
1 votes:
German surrenders
2013-02-11 10:46:15 AM  
1 votes:

Mr.Tangent: Andromeda: As I said from the non-greenlit thread, who wants to take bets as to what scandal is about to erupt?

What could be worse than we already know?


I'm afraid to even think about it, but I fear that this is exactly why he's stepping aside.  and if it isn't that, it's the finances and banking issues.
2013-02-11 10:43:55 AM  
1 votes:

blazemongr: Where do I contribute to my favorite papal candidate's re-election fund? Do they have superPACs?


Use Papal PayPal.
2013-02-11 10:41:44 AM  
1 votes:
Can't say he'll be missed.  He was terrible at his job, unless you count pissing off other religions as a win.
2013-02-11 10:38:09 AM  
1 votes:
2...4...6...8...time to transubstantiate!

http://www.youtube.com/embed/pvhYqeGp_Do?rel=0
2013-02-11 10:29:13 AM  
1 votes:

BigBooper: geom_00: NobleHam: Yes.

Thanks.

Memo to the College of Cardinals.  PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND ALL THINGS HOLY...THINK MODERATE OR LIBERAL!

/Snowballs chance in hell.  I know.

Wish list that might bring me back to the church:
1. Priests allowed to marry.
2. Allow the use of birth control
3. Equality for women (yes female priests)
4. A far more liberal view about homosexuality

Yep. not a snowballs chance in hell.

/haven't been in a church in years
//my daughters have never been in a church


United Protestantism.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Church_of_Canada
2013-02-11 10:27:58 AM  
1 votes:
The new Pope will be from the southern hemisphere, mark my words. It's the only part of the world left where the Church has any ground to gain.

/recovering catholic
2013-02-11 10:27:09 AM  
1 votes:
I thought this would be many more years off... I'm interested to see where they're going, what they double-down on.

Are they going to go conservative and draw in more Eastern Europeans, Latin America, and South America; or do they want to move ever so slightly to the left to appease wealthier Westerners? A non-white pope would be fascinating as well. There's also the prophecy. How they handle the selection and naming will be interesting. Will they give in to it or try to go another way?

/I needed a hobby after the U.S. elections ended.
2013-02-11 10:10:02 AM  
1 votes:

OtherLittleGuy: enry: BigBooper: geom_00: NobleHam: Yes.

Thanks.

Memo to the College of Cardinals.  PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND ALL THINGS HOLY...THINK MODERATE OR LIBERAL!

/Snowballs chance in hell.  I know.

Wish list that might bring me back to the church:
1. Priests allowed to marry.
2. Allow the use of birth control
3. Equality for women (yes female priests)
4. A far more liberal view about homosexuality

Yep. not a snowballs chance in hell.

/haven't been in a church in years
//my daughters have never been in a church

Check out the Episcopal Church (or ELCA as another poster mentioned). Episcopal has all that and the service is pretty close to Mass (no latin tho).

Much of the congregation I'm in was originally Catholic, including the priest.

Also offers contraception services on its employees health care.

Also, they ordain their soulless gingers:

[www.fredericknewspost.com image 640x581]


Never in a million years would I expect to see one of my ministers pictured on Fark.
2013-02-11 10:08:34 AM  
1 votes:

nekom: It could be. But it could also be that he's just honest enough to admit that he's unable to do the job. I'm not Catholic either, and to be honest I have only a vague notion of what poping is like and while it's not horseback riding or ditch digging, it probably does require a certain level of competency that maybe he feels his age has left him without.


The thing is, it isn't supposed to be a "job". It is your life
2013-02-11 10:03:34 AM  
1 votes:
Can we get Cardinal Law's pathetic ass back in Boston now so we can send him to prison?

/ Bernie and the Bishop of Rome should rot in hell. Sadly though, hell is BS... Ill settle for 35 years of prison rape I guess.
2013-02-11 10:02:32 AM  
1 votes:
It can't be more altar boy scandal - they have shown themselves more than capable of weathering that one.  My first guess would be financial  - someone cooked the books and he's right in the middle of it.
2013-02-11 10:01:31 AM  
1 votes:
25.media.tumblr.com
2013-02-11 09:58:06 AM  
1 votes:

skullkrusher: d23: oh and..

[grigr.com image 505x390]

That's still one of my favorite TV moments.

"I'm huge in America."
"Sure are, Sinead. You have a enormous following helped in large part by the millions of Irish-Americans who love seeing someone from the old country do well."
"Watch this."

It isn't often you can pinpoint when a huge star commits career suicide.


Yea, what's funny is if she did that now or in the last 5 years everyone would have agreed.
2013-02-11 09:57:50 AM  
1 votes:

nekom: skullkrusher: great_tigers: First in600 years I just heard on the radio. That is nuts. Dnrta.

yeah. 1415... that's a long time.

Indeed. For once the newsflash tag is used appropriately. I'm not Catholic or even religious, but in a way this is a pretty big thing in history.


pretty much. For better or worse, the Catholic Church has shaped Western history and culture for millennia. To have something of such historic rarity happen within it is pretty cool to witness.
2013-02-11 09:54:22 AM  
1 votes:

d23: oh and..

[grigr.com image 505x390]


That's still one of my favorite TV moments.

"I'm huge in America."
"Sure are, Sinead. You have a enormous following helped in large part by the millions of Irish-Americans who love seeing someone from the old country do well."
"Watch this."

It isn't often you can pinpoint when a huge star commits career suicide.
2013-02-11 09:49:37 AM  
1 votes:

Andromeda: As I said from the non-greenlit thread, who wants to take bets as to what scandal is about to erupt?  Because these days I don't believe something so huge and unexpected from the Church makes anyone think "oh it's really just his poor health."

Also, the last time the pope resigned was in 1415 to avoid a schism- here's the article on papal resgination on Wikipedia.


A scandal bigger then covering-up child rape?
d23 [TotalFark]
2013-02-11 09:49:18 AM  
1 votes:
i.telegraph.co.uk
2013-02-11 09:47:19 AM  
1 votes:

syrynxx: Well, now they'll obviously just go to the verses in the Bible that define the papacy as an elected office and how that office passes from pope to pope.

Ctrl-F in Bible for "pope"...
0 results found


Catholics don't believe that the Bible is the be-all-and-end-all of doctrine. That's something they have over Evangelicals.
2013-02-11 09:33:31 AM  
1 votes:

Slaxl: Can anyone tell me when it became "brave" to quit? Quitting used to be something only honorable people did when their position was untenable, or brought scandal to those around them, but it was still very difficult to resign and keep face. There are a few exceptions, government ministers resigning in protest against actions by their own government would qualify, but going "ooh, I feel poorly, I best resign, then I can collect welfare cheques", isn't brave or worthy of respect or admiration like some of the stupid fawning I've seen from journalists who know nothing about him or the church.


When poison detection got better.  Seriously its only been very recently that a pope might actually die of old age. Mental quickness used to be something you needed to stay alive as pope. With modern medicine the current pope could easily live to a hundred allowing the church to be manipulated by the pope's handlers.

At least this way there will be an election.

All that said the timing of this is very strange.
2013-02-11 09:32:34 AM  
1 votes:
What, he's going to spend more time with his family?
2013-02-11 09:31:57 AM  
1 votes:
As a non-catholic, this seems fascinating to me.
2013-02-11 09:26:15 AM  
1 votes:
I would guess the front runners are:

Peter Kodwo Appiah Turkson (the black guy)
Jorge Mario Bergoglio (the South American)
Marc Oiellet (the Canadian)

Or some Italian guy (take your pick, there's a good half dozen in the running).
2013-02-11 09:26:01 AM  
1 votes:

Shadow writer: Cardinal Godfried Danneels
Because of Godfried Danneels' progressive views, voting for him to become pope would mean voting for major changes in the Catholic church. Danneels supports changes in many different church positions. He would, for example, try to put more women in positions of responsibility, such as running a congregation of the Roman Curia.


I would like to see him get it, just for the lulz.
2013-02-11 09:20:51 AM  
1 votes:
I think it's obvious. He watched the Super Bowl and saw Ray Lewis' interview about how God doesn't let people who do bad things make good tackles or whatever, and he reflected on the things he'd done and felt guilty. So he feels he has to quit to spend more time with his guilt.

/and with your spirit
2013-02-11 09:13:45 AM  
1 votes:
If only God's representative on Earth knew someone with the power to heal who listens to prayers from his faithful...
2013-02-11 09:10:54 AM  
1 votes:

Marine1: I'm just an American Christian (not really Protestant or Catholic),but I think it's high times we had a Canadian Pope.

"In the name of the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit; Wayne, Bobby, and Sid the Kid... Ehmen."

Seriously, though, if there's one country that could produce a guy moderate enough to run the Catholic Church in times like these, it's Canada.


Well, if there's anyone that would know about speaking an obscure, dead tongue, it would be the Quebecois.
2013-02-11 09:10:44 AM  
1 votes:
I don't think this was forced - it seems to be a shock. Traditionally, the senile Pope lingered and allowed the Cardinals to pull the strings from behind the throne. Now they have to pick a new Pope, and he's likely to have strong opinions for decades to come (unless they pick another guy with one foot in the grave.)
2013-02-11 09:10:07 AM  
1 votes:

Shadow writer: May probe helpful in the coming days:


Monsignor Timothy O'Hara
Lives by three principles: Productivity, Prayer and Purification. Deeply committed to the healing arts, and quite liberal about accepting newer, more modern and humane methods of treatment for the mentally ill.
2013-02-11 09:09:28 AM  
1 votes:
I'm just an American Christian (not really Protestant or Catholic),but I think it's high times we had a Canadian Pope.

"In the name of the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit; Wayne, Bobby, and Sid the Kid... Ehmen."

Seriously, though, if there's one country that could produce a guy moderate enough to run the Catholic Church in times like these, it's Canada.
2013-02-11 09:07:31 AM  
1 votes:

elchip: Millennium: beerbaron: He was always a temp-pope anyway. The choice for next pope will be revealing.

Revealing? I thought next up was supposed to be Peter the Roman, and then the world comes to an end or something like that.

/i keed, i keed

If his name is Peter and he's from Rome, I <b>think</b> I'm gonna crap my pants.


I wonder if they would specifically avoid nominating someone with that name for just that reason.
2013-02-11 09:05:45 AM  
1 votes:

Jake Havechek: Can they write in candidates, like Batman?


I believe Batman is an Episcopalian.
2013-02-11 09:03:15 AM  
1 votes:
Pope Benedict XVI resigning to resume film career with Disney as Emperor Palpatine?
2013-02-11 09:02:59 AM  
1 votes:

The Voice of Doom: With that quote in mind, it's less of a surprise that this particular pope would step down.


Actually, I kinda think it's a good thing theologically that he's stepping down.  It makes the Papal office more of a regular job than a divinely appointed position.
2013-02-11 08:59:05 AM  
1 votes:

gadian: Is there an old Pope's retirement home?


Interesting theological issue as you'll have 2 guys that both have claim to being appointed by God as leader of the RCC.  I believe the old one gets packed away to some monastery somewhere in seclusion to die in peace.

I don't think the Pope has a 401(k) plan.
2013-02-11 08:53:57 AM  
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: amquelbettamin: Hmmm. If this had happened a year ago we all wouldn't have had to relearn the more accurate translation if the Nicene Creed.

Good point. Can we go back to "and also with you" instead of this "with your spirit" nonsense?


Wait, what?  I haven't been to church in quite a while (before cell phones and custom ring tones were uniquitous, so the Justin Bieber comment earlier was amusing), so when did this change?  And what, did the priests just come out one day and say "Okay, so before when I said 'Peace be with you' and you responded with 'and also with you' we were apparently doing everything all wrong.  The proper response will now be 'with your spirit'.  Sorry about any relatives that are now burning in the pits of hell because we had the wording wrong before."?
2013-02-11 08:52:59 AM  
1 votes:
Considering that Joseph Ratzinger didn't really want to be Pope, it sort of makes sense that he wants to resign.  I think he understood that he was a caretaker Pope, basically keeping the seat warm until the cardinals could come up with someone better.
2013-02-11 08:45:42 AM  
1 votes:
I'm guessing he got caught by some cardinal putting "Jesus" into some Vatican choir boys. Probably a pederast like the rest of them. Rot in hell, Nazi shiatbag.
2013-02-11 08:40:43 AM  
1 votes:
Petrus Romanus, qui paſcet oues in multis tribulationibus: quibus tranſactis ciuitas ſepticollis diruetur, & Iudex tremẽdus iudicabit populum ſuum.
2013-02-11 08:39:48 AM  
1 votes:

Millennium: beerbaron: He was always a temp-pope anyway. The choice for next pope will be revealing.

Revealing? I thought next up was supposed to be Peter the Roman, and then the world comes to an end or something like that.

/i keed, i keed


If his name is Peter and he's from Rome, I <b>think</b> I'm gonna crap my pants.
2013-02-11 08:39:34 AM  
1 votes:

verbaltoxin: Look I'm an atheist ex-Catholic, and I have no love for the church of child rape, but the dude is 85. When my great-grandfather reached that age he started having dementia. My wife's grandmother's that age and is losing her marbles. So just sayin' he's probably quitting due to a chronic case of being an old fart.


Yep. JP2 might have had some dementia, but there are huge differences to how senile people get. If his handlers starting seeing really serious signs, they'll have pushed him towards abdicating. The church is already going through a number of scandals, adding on a pope who might blurt out crazy shiat during mass probably just doesn't seem worth the risk.
2013-02-11 08:38:22 AM  
1 votes:
Perhaps this whole Petrus Romanus prophecy is actually about the dissolution of the Church.  I mean we still have yet to see fulfillment of Pius X's prophecy of 1909 (quoting of course):

In 1909, in the midst of an audience with members of the Franciscan order, he seemed to fall into a trance. Moments passed, then his eyes sprung open and he jumped to his feet. "What I have seen is terrifying!" he cried out. "Will I be the one, or will it be a successor? What is certain is that the Pope will leave Rome and, in leaving the Vatican, he will have to pass over the dead bodies of his priests!"

and his later updating on his deathbed:

I have seen one of my successors, of the same name, who was fleeing over the bodies of his brethren. He will take refuge in some hiding place; but after a brief respite, he will die a cruel death. Respect for God has disappeared from human hearts. They wish to efface even God's memory. This perversity is nothing less than the beginning of the last days of the world.

Now compare to Petrus Romanus:

Peter the Roman, who will Nourish the sheep in many tribulations; when they are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed, and the dreadful (ed: sometimes translated as formidable) judge will judge his people. The end.

So we may not actually be seeing the end of the World, but the End of the Church.  Perhaps Benedict believes similar and, having taken up the mantle of Gloria Oliuæ which would lead to Petrus Romanus.  The Church, under the weight of its own corruption and rapidly losing its followers, comes under attack.  There may be an actual physical attack, or the "attack" may force social death on the Church.  To be honest I think Pius X may have been going a bit loopy on his death and inserted the whole "of the same name" bit, but that remains to be seen.

Either way we may be looking at some interesting things happening in the coming years.
2013-02-11 08:38:19 AM  
1 votes:
So does the Pope shiat in the woods?
2013-02-11 08:38:18 AM  
1 votes:
Conspiracy theories aside, people used to die a lot earlier in the old days. So, one day you're a sprightly 60-something year old and the next day you keel over and die because your biblically-mandated three-score and ten are up. These days medically science will keep you alive for years, even after you're no longer physically capable of doing much. There's not much point for people like him, with actual duties to perform, to struggle on for years and years until they finally expire. I can see abdication becoming more and more common for popes and monarchs.
2013-02-11 08:37:26 AM  
1 votes:
Nazi pope, Nazi pope, Nazi pope ... fark off!
2013-02-11 08:35:17 AM  
1 votes:

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: So now he's an anti-Pope.  And if he ever comes in contact with the new Pope, space-time will be ripped apart.


.

That could actually be a pretty cool anime series. Two Popes with clandestine armies of followers duking it out for supremecy and then it turns out the mysterious shadow govt of non believers is run by Isaac Newton.
2013-02-11 08:31:27 AM  
1 votes:

Millennium: After the Mayan thing failed to play out, we were due for a new apocalypse craze.


Are you sure it failed to play out? Maybe you misunderstood what was going to happen.

anyway..........

ecx.images-amazon.com
2013-02-11 08:26:51 AM  
1 votes:
On the one hand, why do I give a shiat. On the other hand, it is a little interesting to see something that hasn't happened in 600 years.
2013-02-11 08:25:21 AM  
1 votes:
What does the Pope do anyway? Besides practicing his Force lightning.
2013-02-11 08:25:18 AM  
1 votes:

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: So now he's an anti-Pope.  And if he ever comes in contact with the new Pope, space-time will be ripped apart.


No, he's not an antipope.
2013-02-11 08:23:29 AM  
1 votes:

digitalrain: Jesus: "You want to quit because you don't FEEL GOOD????"


Hey, he chose to go ahead and die instead of pulling some God shiat and blowin' up the Roman empire, so I'm not sure that's an applicable comparison.

Also, Simon of Cyrene.
2013-02-11 08:23:01 AM  
1 votes:
Well, now they'll obviously just go to the verses in the Bible that define the papacy as an elected office and how that office passes from pope to pope.

Ctrl-F in Bible for "pope"...
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2013-02-11 08:22:46 AM  
1 votes:
What's the over/under on the Ex Pope getting charged with child rape?
2013-02-11 08:22:33 AM  
1 votes:

ka1axy: throws hat into the ring...

[www.fathersarducci.com image 419x525]


You know it's funny, I was wondering who we could get as an Antipope.
He would be perfect.

//Oh wait, Everybody is the Pope.
2013-02-11 08:22:32 AM  
1 votes:

LineNoise: St Malachy says expect a run on tinfoil from the nutters.


After the Mayan thing failed to play out, we were due for a new apocalypse craze.
2013-02-11 08:18:15 AM  
1 votes:

LDM90: No no, there's more to it than they're letting on! A scandal of some kind. A conspiracy maybe. Quitting because he's old and tired? That's just ridiculous. You should read more Dan Brown novels.


People are making up wild theories because it's an unprecedented event in modern times, and it raises a whole load of questions. For one, the pope has a direct line to God. He's the big man's administrative assistant here on Earth. Ol' Beardy can't get his message through because Pope Palpatine is a little tired? If he can't throw in a little extra juice on that spiritual curve ball, what hope is there for the rest of Catholics? The pope is infallible except when he doesn't feel like being pope anymore?

/granted when the Medicis bought a few generations worth of popes, these same sorts of questions were applicable, but that was like, years ago
2013-02-11 08:18:14 AM  
1 votes:

chrylis: WaitWhatWhy: geom_00: Looking at a list of the College of Cardinals  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Cardinals#Members_of_the_Coll e ge_of_Cardinals :

The youngest Cardinal I saw was born in 1950.

John Paul II was 58 when elected.  The YOUNGEST POPE who could be elected would already by 63

Technically, you don't even need to be a priest to be elected Pope, just a baptized male. There's not law requiring that they choose among cardinals, just lots of tradition.

Unless there's a special rule for the pope, not even baptized; Ambrose wasn't.


I think that under the current rules, you have to be baptized, although its not like it's all that hard to sprinkle a bit of water and call it a day. They do everything else if you aren't already a priest.
http://www.legalflip.com/Article.aspx?id=80&pageid=409
2013-02-11 08:14:02 AM  
1 votes:
So will he lose his unique direct connection to God privileges?
2013-02-11 08:04:20 AM  
1 votes:
Look I'm an atheist ex-Catholic, and I have no love for the church of child rape, but the dude is 85. When my great-grandfather reached that age he started having dementia. My wife's grandmother's that age and is losing her marbles. So just sayin' he's probably quitting due to a chronic case of being an old fart.
2013-02-11 07:56:41 AM  
1 votes:

geom_00: greentea1985: geom_00: I have to get to bed...I work in 8 hours.  But, this is REALLY strange.

In the Catholic Church: The Imperial...er...The Pontiff will be leaving DURING Lent, the most important time in the churches calendar.  2013 has been declared the Year of Faith, AND, World Youth Day 2013, will be held in Rio this year.  This is a VERY strange time for the most powerful man in the church to step down...

Yes. Why didn't he wait until Ordinary Time began again. For him to resign during Lent, it must have been serious.

Sarcasm?  Please forgive me.  I am tired and my sarcasm/bullshiat detectors are drained.  :)


Not sarcasm. If this was really due to health reasons, it would make sense to announce his resignation but not make it official until Ordinary Time II begins (the gap in the Catholic religious calendar between Pentecost and the start of Advent). That would guarantee someone is in charge during the Lent and Easter seasons and provide enough time for a successor to be elected before he leaves. Leaving right now makes it very likely a successor will not be elected until Easter if not Ordinary Time II. This only makes sense if he is leaving to avoid a scandal or his health is really truly horrible. The scandal is far more likely, particularly given new stories from last month that the Church suppressed a damaging report about sex abuse scandals in Germany that would have implicated the pope directly in the cover-up.
2013-02-11 07:54:39 AM  
1 votes:
Perfect headline: EX BENEDICT.

My cholice for his replacement:
www.smithgifford.com
2013-02-11 07:49:41 AM  
1 votes:

Rwa2play: Andromeda: As I said from the non-greenlit thread, who wants to take bets as to what scandal is about to erupt?  Because these days I don't believe something so huge and unexpected from the Church makes anyone think "oh it's really just his poor health."

Also, the last time the pope resigned was in 1415 to avoid a schism- here's the article on papal resgination on Wikipedia.

This; John Paul II was ill for the last two years or so of his life and still stayed on as Pope.  There's something much, much bigger here than Benedict resigning due to "poor health".


I'm thinking Alzheimer's or some other degenerative disease.
2013-02-11 07:46:03 AM  
1 votes:
punditkitchen.files.wordpress.com
2013-02-11 07:45:28 AM  
1 votes:

Debeo Summa Credo: amquelbettamin: Hmmm. If this had happened a year ago we all wouldn't have had to relearn the more accurate translation if the Nicene Creed.

Good point. Can we go back to "and also with you" instead of this "with your spirit" nonsense?


THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS THIS
2013-02-11 07:44:25 AM  
1 votes:

amquelbettamin: Hmmm. If this had happened a year ago we all wouldn't have had to relearn the more accurate translation if the Nicene Creed.


Good point. Can we go back to "and also with you" instead of this "with your spirit" nonsense?
2013-02-11 07:43:27 AM  
1 votes:
House of Cardinals?  That's the best headline?

Too Pooped to Pope would have been my choice.  Dammit, no more sleeping in late.
2013-02-11 07:37:44 AM  
1 votes:
Something something something com-plete.
Something something something Catholic Church.
2013-02-11 07:29:59 AM  
1 votes:
images2.wikia.nocookie.net

It's time
2013-02-11 07:25:07 AM  
1 votes:
Rainer Woelki - From wikipedia.

In October 2012 Cardinal Woelki was nominated for a Respect Award by the Alliance Against Homophobia. He was praised by the group for speaking out in favour of a 'new cooperation with homosexuals in society' and officially meeting the Association for Gays and Lesbians for talks This, the alliance said, had 'broken the tension between his Church and gays and lesbians and had laid the foundations for further exchange and for a constructive dialogue'. However Cardinal Woelki declined the nomination

Third youngest Cardinal...German
2013-02-11 07:23:50 AM  
1 votes:

TommyDeuce: geom_00: WaitWhatWhy: Not Dolan, not Dolan, not Dolan.

The chances of an American Cardinal being elected are slim to none.  The Holy See sees the US as already having too much power.  To add the papal throne to the list of power the US has would be a bad move for them.

So is it as unlikely as a Pope quitting?


More. Dolan's only been Cardinal a year and most of the other American Cardinals have too much abuse scandal baggage, on top of the reason above.
2013-02-11 07:22:23 AM  
1 votes:

stuhayes2010: This is suspicious. John Paul II kept power way after he was sick and invalid. I wonder what the real reason is.


Maybe they've decided that having an invalid at the head of the largest religious organization on earth isn't such a good idea.
2013-02-11 07:21:47 AM  
1 votes:

ThatGuyFromTheInternet: Nazi


You know, I don't know if it's really all that fair to criticize Benedict XVI as a Nazi. He was never a member of the party, and while he was a member of the Hitler Youth, German Law mandates all children above a certain age at the time to be members and it was noted that he was not a particularly willing participant in the Hitler Youth.
2013-02-11 07:21:21 AM  
1 votes:
Veni vidi abii
2013-02-11 07:17:41 AM  
1 votes:

MNguy: uttertosh: MNguy: It will be nice to see a Latin American / Hispanic Pope.

clarify

There was a lot of speculation before Bene got picked that someone from a brownish country would get the nod, seeing as they comprise the largest group of Catholics in the world.  I'd be willing to bet that this time around it'll happen.


I'd actually take that bet. It'd be interesting to see a brown person get it, but the College of Cardinals is still mostly white and old. I wouldn't be surprised if enough of them are as racist as my Mississippi grandma to block it.
2013-02-11 07:17:00 AM  
1 votes:
This is suspicious. John Paul II kept power way after he was sick and invalid. I wonder what the real reason is.
2013-02-11 07:16:26 AM  
1 votes:

namegoeshere: thisispete: I wonder if that means he can vote in conclave for the next pope, or be totally removed from the process.

I still consider myself Catholic, although I rarely go to mass these days. I don't think he's left much of a legacy. The next Pope is going to have to resolve the pedophilia scandals and hopefully reform the priesthood. I think it shows a lot of humility that Benedict accepts he's not up to the task anymore and is willing to step aside.

There is something about only the cardinals under 80 can vote. He's 85, so if they stick to the rule, no.

Also, GMA just asked some priest spokesguy what this Pope will be remembered for. He stumbled for a bit and then said, "He was a teaching pope, with his book..."

Yeah, no.

Also, it was asked if we'd ever see an American pope. The answer was, "The Catholic church sees America as a source of funds, not Popes."

So there you go, US Catholics. Your role in the greater church.


Thank God, the head guy in the US (and therefore the most likely choice) is Tim Dolan, and he's a complete arsclown.
2013-02-11 07:15:45 AM  
1 votes:

WaitWhatWhy: Not Dolan, not Dolan, not Dolan.


The chances of an American Cardinal being elected are slim to none.  The Holy See sees the US as already having too much power.  To add the papal throne to the list of power the US has would be a bad move for them.
2013-02-11 07:14:24 AM  
1 votes:
Benedictum Palinus
2013-02-11 07:13:24 AM  
1 votes:

BigBooper: geom_00: NobleHam: Yes.

Thanks.

Memo to the College of Cardinals.  PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND ALL THINGS HOLY...THINK MODERATE OR LIBERAL!

/Snowballs chance in hell.  I know.

Wish list that might bring me back to the church:
1. Priests allowed to marry.
2. Allow the use of birth control
3. Equality for women (yes female priests)
4. A far more liberal view about homosexuality

Yep. not a snowballs chance in hell.

/haven't been in a church in years
//my daughters have never been in a church


So, basically ELCA Lutheran (as long as you aren't looking for use of Latin in service)
2013-02-11 07:10:37 AM  
1 votes:

namegoeshere: The miute I heard this (about a minute ago) I called shenanigans on the whole "poor health" thing. Popes do not resign. They just don't.

Scandal coming out.


I don't believe so.  JPII had a letter of resignation at hand, there have been other times when a Pope promised to resign in unprecedented times.
2013-02-11 07:09:48 AM  
1 votes:

professor_tom: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 224x406]

The next Pope?

He wouldn't be against condom use in Africa, would he?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1218426/The-pope-black-says- pr ominent-African-cardinal.html#axzz2KXiid3kG


He is so far... but he's kind of moderate. Maybe even liberal, as Cardinals go. You won't find many, if any at all, who openly disagree with the church's policies on contraception or homosexuality, my big two issues with the Catholics. But once they get to be Pope, who knows?
2013-02-11 07:07:10 AM  
1 votes:
2013-02-11 07:07:00 AM  
1 votes:

BigBooper: Wish list that might bring me back to the church:
1. Priests allowed to marry.
2. Allow the use of birth control
3. Equality for women (yes female priests)
4. A far more liberal view about homosexuality

5. NO PEDOPHILES

I am just like you, my friend.  I still go to Mass, but ALL of that would make me SO MUCH happier.
2013-02-11 07:06:04 AM  
1 votes:
When Benedict thinks back, he will miss the expressions on the little boys' faces.
2013-02-11 07:05:26 AM  
1 votes:

Magorn: maddogdelta: I guess there's new information coming out about how he enabled child rape.

I doubt it.  His role in enabling and covering up the pedophilia scandal as JPII 's head of the Office of Inquisition, which handles things like priestly discipline, and his role in spiriting Cardinal law of Boston out of the US and putting him in a position that made him un-extraditable is well known and was known before his election=which was all but gauranteed since he took advantage of John Paul's Failing health to pack the College of Cardinals hand-picked people.

Though, given that he chose the ruling name of Benedict specifically to comport with the Prophecy of St. Malachy ("glory of Olives".  Olives being the symbol of St. Benedict)   that must mean he things the Apocalypse is upon us, as the prophecy lists only one Pope after "Glory of Olives: of which it says:
In the extreme persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit [i.e., as bishop].
Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations:
and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed,
and the terrible judge will judge his people.

Happy end of the world everyone!


That's it that's the one thanks ; )
2013-02-11 07:04:40 AM  
1 votes:

geom_00: NobleHam: Yes.

Thanks.

Memo to the College of Cardinals.  PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND ALL THINGS HOLY...THINK MODERATE OR LIBERAL!

/Snowballs chance in hell.  I know.


Wish list that might bring me back to the church:
1. Priests allowed to marry.
2. Allow the use of birth control
3. Equality for women (yes female priests)
4. A far more liberal view about homosexuality

Yep. not a snowballs chance in hell.

/haven't been in a church in years
//my daughters have never been in a church
2013-02-11 07:04:08 AM  
1 votes:
Looking at a list of the College of Cardinals  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Cardinals#Members_of_the_Coll e ge_of_Cardinals :

The youngest Cardinal I saw was born in 1950.

John Paul II was 58 when elected.  The YOUNGEST POPE who could be elected would already by 63
2013-02-11 07:03:49 AM  
1 votes:
According to WaPo (link), the Benz has said he's resigning because God farked up by making him too ill to pontificate, but too strong to die.

tl;dr: Pope says God isn't perfect.
2013-02-11 07:00:50 AM  
1 votes:
Hope there is a cardinal Secola in the running.

/choice of a new generation
2013-02-11 06:59:27 AM  
1 votes:
"Unprecedented, hasn't happened in 600 years."

Oy.
2013-02-11 06:57:43 AM  
1 votes:

Jacobin: Ok, pope coming out


Well, that certainly explains why he'd resign.
2013-02-11 06:57:08 AM  
1 votes:

Nuclear Monk: Do they still whack him on the head with a silver hammer on his last day?


No. But I hear he gets his pick of one of the alter boys to go with him. You know as his personal "assistant".

/wink wink, know what I mean
//I'm such an awful Catholic (hangs head in shame)
2013-02-11 06:57:04 AM  
1 votes:

NobleHam: Yes.


Thanks.

Memo to the College of Cardinals.  PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND ALL THINGS HOLY...THINK MODERATE OR LIBERAL!

/Snowballs chance in hell.  I know.
2013-02-11 06:55:12 AM  
1 votes:
I'm sure whatever happened with his personal secretary and the Vatilinks issue had more to do with this then the child rape issues
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatileak s_scandal
2013-02-11 06:54:42 AM  
1 votes:
imjustcreative.com
2013-02-11 06:50:32 AM  
1 votes:
I've been waiting for this opportunity.
2013-02-11 06:49:50 AM  
1 votes:
HA! There won't be a feb 28th for 3 more years!
2013-02-11 06:46:30 AM  
1 votes:

Olympic Trolling Judge: Slaxl: Lord of Allusions: Maybe after JP2, the Church is like, "Okay, we aren't going through that again. If you start feeling bad just resign."

Jurassic Park 2 wasn't that bad!

Raptor Gymkata.  Yes, it was that bad.


You can't fault a film for one thing. You're missing the main point. Raptors. Yeh there was a stupid girl dancing about but there were Raptors. There was even a T-Rex or two. That's what counts. That's how you make a film good. Stick dinosaurs in it. They're all that matter.
2013-02-11 06:45:28 AM  
1 votes:

Scaryduck: Whoever they choose as the new Pope, she'd better be black gay.

2013-02-11 06:44:49 AM  
1 votes:

Slaxl: Lord of Allusions: Maybe after JP2, the Church is like, "Okay, we aren't going through that again. If you start feeling bad just resign."

Jurassic Park 2 wasn't that bad!


Raptor Gymkata.  Yes, it was that bad.
2013-02-11 06:44:08 AM  
1 votes:
I would never have expected this. I don't think it has much to do with the abuse scandals considering how much they dug in their heels already. Besides, that's been ongoing for years. Maybe something with the butler thing as others mentioned upthread.
2013-02-11 06:43:58 AM  
1 votes:

RminusQ: Cardinals lose the right to vote for pope at age 80, so no he doesn't have a vote.


Hmmm... maybe the secular world could learn something from Catholicism.
2013-02-11 06:43:34 AM  
1 votes:

BigBooper: beerbaron: He was always a temp-pope anyway. The choice for next pope will be revealing.

Yea, cause when they select an old conservative who wants to run the church like it was the middle ages it will be a big surprise.


The church is in crisis. Crisis may translate to opportunity. We can only hope that the next one will want to clean house. I am not holding my breath.

/not Catholic
2013-02-11 06:42:04 AM  
1 votes:
His resignation letter says he's been "shaken by questions of deep relevance for the life of faith"

Yeah, that whole "funny hat / shiat in the woods" thing got him at last
2013-02-11 06:40:42 AM  
1 votes:
Maybe after JP2, the Church is like, "Okay, we aren't going through that again. If you start feeling bad just resign."
2013-02-11 06:38:40 AM  
1 votes:
Out with the old, into the young
2013-02-11 06:38:29 AM  
1 votes:
Hmmm. If this had happened a year ago we all wouldn't have had to relearn the more accurate translation if the Nicene Creed.
2013-02-11 06:37:39 AM  
1 votes:
throws hat into the ring...

www.fathersarducci.com
2013-02-11 06:35:53 AM  
1 votes:

Copper Spork: greentea1985: He can. Popes have resigned before, but the last one was back in the 1400s. Usually they just die in office. Either he';s starting to go senile (hence the wording "healthy in body and mind") and felt unable to lead the Church, there's a really damaging report coming out on his role in the sex abuse scandal (there is already strong circumstantial evidence that he helped cover up cases in Germany), or a combination of both. I wonder who the new pope will be.

Senility didn't stop JP2. Besides, hearing voices is a requirement for becoming Pope.


That's part of why this seems so strange. Popes only resign under really pressing circumstances, like preventing a schism. I find health to be stretching it a bit.
2013-02-11 06:35:52 AM  
1 votes:
Another thing I've just considered- my understanding is one main reason you don't choose the next one until after he dies is so he can't influence the election of his successor.  Which even if he can't vote Benedict obviously will be able to do.

Really sucks for those who are involved in the Church and were hoping to take it in a new direction.
2013-02-11 06:35:26 AM  
1 votes:
I bet it's nothing to do with any sex scandals though.  With an organization as large as the Catholic church with centuries of abusing kids behind them, I really don't think it's a "Fire the Pope" sort of problem.  Corporate hostile takeover, I could see that, though.
2013-02-11 06:34:59 AM  
1 votes:

BigBooper: Invent one?!?! How about just picking one of the many that are already out?


it's what they do best.


.....or are you in on it too???
2013-02-11 06:34:37 AM  
1 votes:
www.majhost.com

Hey!

I'm-a da Pope-a!
2013-02-11 06:32:17 AM  
1 votes:

BigBooper: First time in 600 years....

So who here thinks that someone has proof that he either actively covered up a child abuse scandal, or that he did a little boy himself.

Personally I think he's doing a tricky Dick and resigning as part of a deal to avoid the details coming out.


In Vatican city I'd expect something more like using gay prostitutes or a Swiss Guard sex scandal. But, it may be child abuse related. I can't imagine he'd resign if some bad news weren't coming his way.
2013-02-11 06:31:45 AM  
1 votes:

punishmentforshoplifting: Wait...can he do that?


He can. Popes have resigned before, but the last one was back in the 1400s. Usually they just die in office. Either he';s starting to go senile (hence the wording "healthy in body and mind") and felt unable to lead the Church, there's a really damaging report coming out on his role in the sex abuse scandal (there is already strong circumstantial evidence that he helped cover up cases in Germany), or a combination of both. I wonder who the new pope will be.
2013-02-11 06:31:19 AM  
1 votes:
So is it going to be awkward between him and God now? Is God accidentally going to talk to him when He means to talk to the new Pope?
2013-02-11 06:30:37 AM  
1 votes:

beerbaron: He was always a temp-pope anyway. The choice for next pope will be revealing.


Yea, cause when they select an old conservative who wants to run the church like it was the middle ages it will be a big surprise.
2013-02-11 06:29:08 AM  
1 votes:

gadian: Is there an old Pope's retirement home?


What kind of papal pension does he get?
2013-02-11 06:28:02 AM  
1 votes:
First in600 years I just heard on the radio. That is nuts. Dnrta.
2013-02-11 06:27:13 AM  
1 votes:
Doesn't have the strength to molest like he used to
2013-02-11 06:26:09 AM  
1 votes:

Olympic Trolling Judge: Quitter.


I find your lack of faith... disturbing.
 
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