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2013-02-11 06:51:15 AM  

UDel_Kitty: amquelbettamin: Hmmm. If this had happened a year ago we all wouldn't have had to relearn the more accurate translation if the Nicene Creed.

I don't care how accurate it is, saying "seen and unseen" vs "visible and invisible" is so much more succinct. Still haven't learned the new words, and most of the cheat cards seem to have disappeared from the pews.


What, you don't like the not-at-all-made-up word consubstantial?
 
2013-02-11 06:51:20 AM  

Texas Gabe: Pay very close attention to what happens in the world in the shadow of this news. Watch the news that gets buried on the back pages while everyone is focusing on this. This could in fact be a massive purposeful distraction.

/conspiracy


Back pages? There are back pages on the internet? What have I been missing?

/NOTHING can be buried in the internet age
 
2013-02-11 06:51:42 AM  

Texas Gabe: Pay very close attention to what happens in the world in the shadow of this news. Watch the news that gets buried on the back pages while everyone is focusing on this. This could in fact be a massive purposeful distraction.

/conspiracy



Man receives two dollar bill with change at taco bell, claims it is fake.
 
2013-02-11 06:52:16 AM  
Pope is coming out now.
 
2013-02-11 06:52:16 AM  
I just want to note that in 2009, he visited the remains of Pope Celestine V at the site of the L'Aquila earthquakes and left his papal vestments from his inauguration with the body of Celestine V as a gift.

Celestine V is well-known as the pope who declared the right of papal abdication and left the Papacy after about 6 months.

A lot of observers at the time wondered what the hell the visit by Benedict XVI meant in 2009. I guess now we know.
 
2013-02-11 06:53:50 AM  

Scaryduck: His resignation letter says he's been "shaken by questions of deep relevance for the life of faith"

Yeah, that whole "funny hat / shiat in the woods" thing got him at last


heh heh +1
 
2013-02-11 06:54:08 AM  

avalanche: I would never have expected this. I don't think it has much to do with the abuse scandals considering how much they dug in their heels already. Besides, that's been ongoing for years. Maybe something with the butler thing as others mentioned upthread.


Whatever the reason, Benedict's leaving is no great loss for the church.
 
2013-02-11 06:54:18 AM  
Do they still whack him on the head with a silver hammer on his last day?
 
2013-02-11 06:54:31 AM  

Texas Gabe: Pay very close attention to what happens in the world in the shadow of this news. Watch the news that gets buried on the back pages while everyone is focusing on this. This could in fact be a massive purposeful distraction.

/conspiracy


The cats are finally making their move....
 
2013-02-11 06:54:32 AM  

skantea: Pope is coming out now.


Nicely done : )
 
2013-02-11 06:54:35 AM  
Ok, in a Papal death, we all know what happens.

REGARDLESS of your views on JPII, we all know what happened after he died.  Will this be like a papal death?  The college of Cardinals meet, and just elect a new Pope?
 
2013-02-11 06:54:42 AM  
imjustcreative.com
 
2013-02-11 06:54:46 AM  

Millennium: beerbaron: He was always a temp-pope anyway. The choice for next pope will be revealing.

Revealing? I thought next up was supposed to be Peter the Roman, and then the world comes to an end or something like that.

/i keed, i keed


Well, Peter Turkson seems a likely bet.
 
2013-02-11 06:55:12 AM  
I'm sure whatever happened with his personal secretary and the Vatilinks issue had more to do with this then the child rape issues
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vatileak s_scandal
 
2013-02-11 06:55:26 AM  

geom_00: Ok, in a Papal death, we all know what happens.

REGARDLESS of your views on JPII, we all know what happened after he died.  Will this be like a papal death?  The college of Cardinals meet, and just elect a new Pope?


Yes.
 
2013-02-11 06:57:04 AM  

NobleHam: Yes.


Thanks.

Memo to the College of Cardinals.  PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND ALL THINGS HOLY...THINK MODERATE OR LIBERAL!

/Snowballs chance in hell.  I know.
 
2013-02-11 06:57:08 AM  

Nuclear Monk: Do they still whack him on the head with a silver hammer on his last day?


No. But I hear he gets his pick of one of the alter boys to go with him. You know as his personal "assistant".

/wink wink, know what I mean
//I'm such an awful Catholic (hangs head in shame)
 
2013-02-11 06:57:16 AM  
Ok, pope coming out
 
2013-02-11 06:57:19 AM  

BigBooper: greentea1985: That's part of why this seems so strange. Popes only resign under really pressing circumstances, like preventing a schism. I find health to be stretching it a bit.

The only thing that would make sense to me is if he's been diagnosed with Alzheimers. If he knows that he's going to lose his mind, and could take a long time to die, then I could see him resigning.

I still think that the odds are better that he's resigning because of a scandal.


haha. Mad Pope Areys! "bring me a sodomite in chainmail! And FIRE!"
 
2013-02-11 06:57:43 AM  

Jacobin: Ok, pope coming out


Well, that certainly explains why he'd resign.
 
2013-02-11 06:57:55 AM  
i36.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-11 06:58:34 AM  

HaywoodJablonski: Did Benedict crack under the pressure, or does he have yolk on his face? Either way, he seems to be over easy.


Naah, he's just Hard Boy-Led.
 
2013-02-11 06:58:42 AM  

BigBooper: First time in 600 years....

So who here thinks that someone has proof that he either actively covered up a child abuse scandal, or that he did a little boy himself.

Personally I think he's doing a tricky Dick and resigning as part of a deal to avoid the details coming out.


So Spiro Agnew is the new Pope?

/not enough people named Spiro
 
2013-02-11 06:59:27 AM  
"Unprecedented, hasn't happened in 600 years."

Oy.
 
2013-02-11 06:59:32 AM  
www.zootpatrol.com
 
2013-02-11 06:59:52 AM  
Maybe he got caught doing donuts in the popemobile, and instead of being fired, God made him resign.
 
2013-02-11 07:00:19 AM  

maddogdelta: I guess there's new information coming out about how he enabled child rape.


I doubt it.  His role in enabling and covering up the pedophilia scandal as JPII 's head of the Office of Inquisition, which handles things like priestly discipline, and his role in spiriting Cardinal law of Boston out of the US and putting him in a position that made him un-extraditable is well known and was known before his election=which was all but gauranteed since he took advantage of John Paul's Failing health to pack the College of Cardinals hand-picked people.

Though, given that he chose the ruling name of Benedict specifically to comport with the Prophecy of St. Malachy ("glory of Olives".  Olives being the symbol of St. Benedict)   that must mean he things the Apocalypse is upon us, as the prophecy lists only one Pope after "Glory of Olives: of which it says:
In the extreme persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit [i.e., as bishop].
Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations:
and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed,
and the terrible judge will judge his people.

Happy end of the world everyone!
 
2013-02-11 07:00:37 AM  

Andromeda: As I said from the non-greenlit thread, who wants to take bets as to what scandal is about to erupt?  Because these days I don't believe something so huge and unexpected from the Church makes anyone think "oh it's really just his poor health."

Also, the last time the pope resigned was in 1415 to avoid a schism- here's the article on papal resgination on Wikipedia.


Count me among those who was frankly surprised that popes can technically abdicate in the first place.  (I know it's not quite being a god-emperor on the "Difficulty In Actually Abdicating The Throne" position, but..well...being the functional head of the largest Christian church, smallest technically independent state, and largest tax-exempt business empire in the world is its own kind of special.)

Then again, I'll also admit I'm not Catholic, have only had passing acquaintances with folks who are Catholic, and hence don't really know all the intricacies of papal law and the Official Procedure For Papal Abdication (which apparently hasn't been used since the Church threatened to do the Great Schism 2.0 back in the 1400s, if Teh Wikipedia and Catholicism wikis are any authority).  For all I honestly know about the matter, the House of Cardinals accepts a properly written (in Latin, yet) "Fark This For Two Weeks In France With A Woman With Tig-Ol' Bitties, I'm Out" notice and then proceeds to play a merry game of Duck Duck Pope.

I also have to seriously wonder what kind of kerfluffle is causing the Pope to resign.  There's been some pretty poor-in-health popes on the throne before (and it's not like the Catholic Church has vice-popes to take over when the Pontiff is unwell); also, popes do tend to be pretty darn devoted to their jobs, and usually the very few cases where a pontiff HAS abdicated have involved them basically falling on their swords (metaphorically speaking) to preserve the One True Holy Church.  (Part of me wonders if there HAS been something found out solidly tying ol' Benedict to the coverup of child sexual abuse in Catholic churches worldwide--no, it's not just North America having a major brouhaha over this.)

/seriously, I did not know before today that popes could abdicate
 
2013-02-11 07:00:46 AM  

RminusQ: UDel_Kitty: amquelbettamin: Hmmm. If this had happened a year ago we all wouldn't have had to relearn the more accurate translation if the Nicene Creed.

I don't care how accurate it is, saying "seen and unseen" vs "visible and invisible" is so much more succinct. Still haven't learned the new words, and most of the cheat cards seem to have disappeared from the pews.

What, you don't like the not-at-all-made-up word consubstantial?


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/consubstantial?s=t
 
2013-02-11 07:00:50 AM  
Hope there is a cardinal Secola in the running.

/choice of a new generation
 
2013-02-11 07:01:42 AM  
At least this playing out better than Godfather III, so far anyway.
 
2013-02-11 07:01:55 AM  

UDel_Kitty: amquelbettamin: Hmmm. If this had happened a year ago we all wouldn't have had to relearn the more accurate translation if the Nicene Creed.

I don't care how accurate it is, saying "seen and unseen" vs "visible and invisible" is so much more succinct. Still haven't learned the new words, and most of the cheat cards seem to have disappeared from the pews.


There's an iPhone app called Laudate that has it. Of course it looks like your checking your email during Mass
 
2013-02-11 07:03:16 AM  

geom_00: NobleHam: Yes.

Thanks.

Memo to the College of Cardinals.  PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND ALL THINGS HOLY...THINK MODERATE OR LIBERAL!

/Snowballs chance in hell.  I know.


Not Dolan, not Dolan, not Dolan.
 
2013-02-11 07:03:37 AM  
No Pope song yet?   NSFW Language.
 
2013-02-11 07:03:49 AM  
According to WaPo (link), the Benz has said he's resigning because God farked up by making him too ill to pontificate, but too strong to die.

tl;dr: Pope says God isn't perfect.
 
2013-02-11 07:04:08 AM  
Looking at a list of the College of Cardinals  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Cardinals#Members_of_the_Coll e ge_of_Cardinals :

The youngest Cardinal I saw was born in 1950.

John Paul II was 58 when elected.  The YOUNGEST POPE who could be elected would already by 63
 
2013-02-11 07:04:40 AM  

geom_00: NobleHam: Yes.

Thanks.

Memo to the College of Cardinals.  PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD AND ALL THINGS HOLY...THINK MODERATE OR LIBERAL!

/Snowballs chance in hell.  I know.


Wish list that might bring me back to the church:
1. Priests allowed to marry.
2. Allow the use of birth control
3. Equality for women (yes female priests)
4. A far more liberal view about homosexuality

Yep. not a snowballs chance in hell.

/haven't been in a church in years
//my daughters have never been in a church
 
2013-02-11 07:05:26 AM  

Magorn: maddogdelta: I guess there's new information coming out about how he enabled child rape.

I doubt it.  His role in enabling and covering up the pedophilia scandal as JPII 's head of the Office of Inquisition, which handles things like priestly discipline, and his role in spiriting Cardinal law of Boston out of the US and putting him in a position that made him un-extraditable is well known and was known before his election=which was all but gauranteed since he took advantage of John Paul's Failing health to pack the College of Cardinals hand-picked people.

Though, given that he chose the ruling name of Benedict specifically to comport with the Prophecy of St. Malachy ("glory of Olives".  Olives being the symbol of St. Benedict)   that must mean he things the Apocalypse is upon us, as the prophecy lists only one Pope after "Glory of Olives: of which it says:
In the extreme persecution of the Holy Roman Church, there will sit [i.e., as bishop].
Peter the Roman, who will pasture his sheep in many tribulations:
and when these things are finished, the city of seven hills will be destroyed,
and the terrible judge will judge his people.

Happy end of the world everyone!


That's it that's the one thanks ; )
 
2013-02-11 07:06:04 AM  
When Benedict thinks back, he will miss the expressions on the little boys' faces.
 
2013-02-11 07:06:37 AM  
The miute I heard this (about a minute ago) I called shenanigans on the whole "poor health" thing. Popes do not resign. They just don't.

Scandal coming out.
 
2013-02-11 07:07:00 AM  

BigBooper: Wish list that might bring me back to the church:
1. Priests allowed to marry.
2. Allow the use of birth control
3. Equality for women (yes female priests)
4. A far more liberal view about homosexuality

5. NO PEDOPHILES

I am just like you, my friend.  I still go to Mass, but ALL of that would make me SO MUCH happier.
 
2013-02-11 07:07:10 AM  
 
2013-02-11 07:07:13 AM  

miss diminutive: Scaryduck: Whoever they choose as the new Pope, she'd better be black gay.


un-struckout for the FTFY!

/black gay is both the new gay, and the new black.
//of course that makes all black gays female, what with the multi-tasking it requires. Duh,
 
2013-02-11 07:07:15 AM  
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News to me too . . .
 
2013-02-11 07:07:19 AM  

ka1axy: throws hat into the ring...


Dassa more dan'a wannerfull,...
 
2013-02-11 07:07:28 AM  

geom_00: Looking at a list of the College of Cardinals  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_of_Cardinals#Members_of_the_Coll e ge_of_Cardinals :

The youngest Cardinal I saw was born in 1950.

John Paul II was 58 when elected.  The YOUNGEST POPE who could be elected would already by 63


Technically, you don't even need to be a priest to be elected Pope, just a baptized male. There's not law requiring that they choose among cardinals, just lots of tradition.
 
2013-02-11 07:08:13 AM  
Will he go back to being a guy named Joe?
 
2013-02-11 07:09:43 AM  
Job for life.
 
2013-02-11 07:09:48 AM  

professor_tom: [i.dailymail.co.uk image 224x406]

The next Pope?

He wouldn't be against condom use in Africa, would he?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1218426/The-pope-black-says- pr ominent-African-cardinal.html#axzz2KXiid3kG


He is so far... but he's kind of moderate. Maybe even liberal, as Cardinals go. You won't find many, if any at all, who openly disagree with the church's policies on contraception or homosexuality, my big two issues with the Catholics. But once they get to be Pope, who knows?
 
2013-02-11 07:10:00 AM  
It will be nice to see a Latin American / Hispanic Pope.
 
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