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(ESPN)   Miami Dolphins choose now of all the times to ask the people of Miami for money to upgrade their stadium   (espn.go.com) divider line 38
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2013-02-11 10:49:23 AM
Yeah, because it worked out so well for Marlins Park...
 
2013-02-11 10:54:59 AM

fatalvenom: Yeah, because it worked out so well for Marlins Park...


It worked very freaking well for that scumbag loria
 
2013-02-11 10:55:33 AM
I bet they sign a lot of high priced free agents, hire a loud mouth coach and then get rid of them all at the end of the season.
 
2013-02-11 10:57:09 AM
Snowflake needs a new tank.
 
2013-02-11 11:06:50 AM
Not surprising; Jerry Richardson (owner of the Panthers) just got an agreement from Charlotte and the state of NC to help fund the reconstruction of Panthers Stadium in Charlotte. Everyone got all worked up over him whining that his (fairly new) stadium was out of date and needed improvements, and so sorry, he didn't have the money to do it himself so could the city/state please give him some money?

The NFL owners are scam artists; they do this all the time even though they probably wipe their butts with $1000 bills, and cities and states are so afraid they will move they cave in nearly every single time. I dislike Jerry Jones but at least he funded and built his own stadium rather than beg Dallas and Texas to pay for it themselves.
 
2013-02-11 11:10:37 AM

Bendal: Not surprising; Jerry Richardson (owner of the Panthers) just got an agreement from Charlotte and the state of NC to help fund the reconstruction of Panthers Stadium in Charlotte. Everyone got all worked up over him whining that his (fairly new) stadium was out of date and needed improvements, and so sorry, he didn't have the money to do it himself so could the city/state please give him some money?

The NFL owners are scam artists; they do this all the time even though they probably wipe their butts with $1000 bills, and cities and states are so afraid they will move they cave in nearly every single time. I dislike Jerry Jones but at least he funded and built his own stadium rather than beg Dallas and Texas to pay for it themselves.



And then there's Nassau County who won't even let a guy spend us own money to make their area nicer
 
2013-02-11 11:11:27 AM
Bendal: I dislike Jerry Jones but at least he funded and built his own stadium rather than beg Dallas and Texas to pay for it themselves.


LOLWUT???

Originally estimated to cost $650 million, the stadium's current construction cost was $1.15 billion, making it one of the most expensive sports venues ever built. To aid Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones in paying the construction costs of the new stadium, Arlington voters approved the increase of the city's sales tax by 0.5 percent, the hotel occupancy tax by 2 percent, and car rental tax by 5 percent. The City of Arlington provided over $325 million (including interest) in bonds as funding, and Jones covered any cost overruns. Also, the NFL provided the Cowboys with an additional $150 million loan, as per their policy for facilitating financing for the construction of new stadiums.
 
2013-02-11 11:16:33 AM
Don't worry, by the time taxpayers have to begin paying the bonds back, the stadium will be outdated and need renovations.
 
2013-02-11 11:20:05 AM
OF ALL THE TIMES!

www.roughstock.com
 
2013-02-11 11:26:52 AM
Joe Robbie Stadium was originally payed for by private funds. this renovation can be too. after the marlins park thing, the people of Miami are not stupid. this won't happen. the dolphins won't move - attendance aside, they have a good fan base with fantastic tv ratings. moving would be suicide. I just hope Miami Dade don't fall for this bullshiat.
 
2013-02-11 11:28:36 AM

LarryDan43: the stadium will be outdated and need renovations.


i just read where the Rams have an "out" for their dome.  crazy.  that thing was built in what, 98, 99?  there was apparently some kind of agreement where if the city / county didn't approve a tax hike for stadium approvements (which didn't happen), then the Rams could terminate the lease (rams fans, feel free to clear this up if i'm wrong, i'm just going in broad strokes here).  so i think in 2015, the Rams at least in theory, can walk.

which is crazy, since even if the stadium is 15-18 years old, that's nothing.  and while i know they've hosted concerts and the occasional march madness, it is still only used what, 20 times a year?  30?  times 18+ years?  not a whole lot of miles on the barn.  crazy to think its primary tenant could walk away.
 
2013-02-11 11:33:32 AM
Why don't they just go play in Marlins' Park?  Or do the Marlins technically own that place without paying for it, like every other sports stadium in the US?
 
2013-02-11 11:42:08 AM

runaway06: It worked very freaking well for that scumbag loria


and the blue jays
 
2013-02-11 11:46:51 AM

poughdrew: Why don't they just go play in Marlins' Park?  Or do the Marlins technically own that place without paying for it, like every other sports stadium in the US?


Miami-Dade owns Marlins Park, but it was intentionally built to be small capacity and not really convertible.
 
2013-02-11 11:51:26 AM

thecpt: runaway06: It worked very freaking well for that scumbag loria

and the blue jays


Yep. I dont give a damn about baseball. I do,however, care about having to pay tons of tax dollars for the idiotic stadium in Little Havana with no parking lots
 
2013-02-11 11:51:43 AM

DoBeDoBeDo: Bendal: I dislike Jerry Jones but at least he funded and built his own stadium rather than beg Dallas and Texas to pay for it themselves.


LOLWUT???

Originally estimated to cost $650 million, the stadium's current construction cost was $1.15 billion, making it one of the most expensive sports venues ever built. To aid Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones in paying the construction costs of the new stadium, Arlington voters approved the increase of the city's sales tax by 0.5 percent, the hotel occupancy tax by 2 percent, and car rental tax by 5 percent. The City of Arlington provided over $325 million (including interest) in bonds as funding, and Jones covered any cost overruns. Also, the NFL provided the Cowboys with an additional $150 million loan, as per their policy for facilitating financing for the construction of new stadiums.


Quoted so  Bendai can see how wrong he/she/it is...
 
2013-02-11 11:53:36 AM
Speaking as someone who is still laboring under the yoke of Mike Brown's Bengals, If they threaten to move the team, hold the door open for them.
 
2013-02-11 11:53:47 AM
If the Dolphins give me super bowl tickets for every game that is down here "because of the renovations", then I will consider there proposal.
If not, go fark yourselves
 
2013-02-11 11:54:20 AM

rickythepenguin: LarryDan43: the stadium will be outdated and need renovations.

i just read where the Rams have an "out" for their dome.  crazy.  that thing was built in what, 98, 99?  there was apparently some kind of agreement where if the city / county didn't approve a tax hike for stadium approvements (which didn't happen), then the Rams could terminate the lease (rams fans, feel free to clear this up if i'm wrong, i'm just going in broad strokes here).  so i think in 2015, the Rams at least in theory, can walk.

which is crazy, since even if the stadium is 15-18 years old, that's nothing.  and while i know they've hosted concerts and the occasional march madness, it is still only used what, 20 times a year?  30?  times 18+ years?  not a whole lot of miles on the barn.  crazy to think its primary tenant could walk away.


Rams fan here and longtime STL resident- Pretty much. When the renovation question came up, my first thought was "the damn thing isn't 20 years old yet, wtf?"

I really don't wanna lose the Rams, but I won't vote for any sports team owner to get "stadium help", ever. The owners (especially the single ones, not ownership groups) make nine figure profits during their ownership spans; them asking for tax increases is asinine.

The dome does get used pretty frequently though; aside from NFL games, a few college games get played there every year, along with the state HS football championships, and other big events, like the auto show, home and garden show, etc. It certainly doesn't sit vacant for 6 months during the offseason. Through the beginning of march, there are a half dozen events listed- there's stuff there every weekend for the foreseeable future.
 
2013-02-11 12:09:14 PM

grinding_journalist: Rams fan here and longtime STL resident- Pretty much. When the renovation question came up, my first thought was "the damn thing isn't 20 years old yet, wtf?"


At least the Rams just want renovations for their 20 year old dome.
The Falcons want an entirely new replacement for theirs.
 
2013-02-11 12:35:41 PM
I can hear the laughter all lthe way up here in Michigan.
 
2013-02-11 12:38:35 PM

The Bestest: The Falcons want an entirely new replacement for theirs.


If only the owner had some construction connections to help him afford a new stadium without taking Joe Six Pack's pay check.
 
2013-02-11 12:46:38 PM
States shouldnt pay for college stadiums either
 
2013-02-11 12:51:12 PM
espiaboricua:

Quoted so  Bendai can see how wrong he/she/it is...

He/she may have been technically wrong, which is the best kind of wrong, but Jones still put in over $600m of his own money into the stadium.  Arlington only had to put in $325m which will easily be earned back in taxes over the life of the stadium.  Taxes which the voters of Arlington approved.

The Super Bowl had a projected $600 million impact on the North Texas area. Link And they are going to host at least 2 more Super Bowls before the stadium is done.  Hopefully, if they keep up the maintenance, they can have that place open for 50-60 years.

They have also already hosted the NBA All Star game, high profile boxing matches, will have the NCAA Final Four (2014), NCAA Football Championship game.  And I put it at 90% odds that they will host the World Cup Final when(if) the US is awarded the tournament again.
 
2013-02-11 01:04:40 PM
They should upgrade their sprinkler system as well.
 
2013-02-11 01:17:00 PM

The Bestest: grinding_journalist: Rams fan here and longtime STL resident- Pretty much. When the renovation question came up, my first thought was "the damn thing isn't 20 years old yet, wtf?"

At least the Rams just want renovations for their 20 year old dome.
The Falcons want an entirely new replacement for theirs.


Roger Goodell claims that the Georgia Dome is too old to host a Super Bowl.  But of course the New Orleans Super Dome is almost twice as old and is A-OK to do it.
 
2013-02-11 01:29:55 PM

TheGreatGazoo: The Bestest: grinding_journalist: Rams fan here and longtime STL resident- Pretty much. When the renovation question came up, my first thought was "the damn thing isn't 20 years old yet, wtf?"

At least the Rams just want renovations for their 20 year old dome.
The Falcons want an entirely new replacement for theirs.

Roger Goodell claims that the Georgia Dome is too old to host a Super Bowl.  But of course the New Orleans Super Dome is almost twice as old and is A-OK to do it.


This.  Just because a stadium doesn't have the amenities that the stadiums of the past decade or so have doesn't mean that they aren't good.  Hell, besides the Superdome, the oldest stadium in the NFL* just is finishing up a remodel now, and people there really could care less about how "modern" it is.

*no, I will not refer to Soldier Field as being 90 years old.  They destroyed Soldier Field and replaced it with a fairly crappy looking place.
 
2013-02-11 02:00:56 PM

DoBeDoBeDo: Bendal: I dislike Jerry Jones but at least he funded and built his own stadium rather than beg Dallas and Texas to pay for it themselves.


LOLWUT???

Originally estimated to cost $650 million, the stadium's current construction cost was $1.15 billion, making it one of the most expensive sports venues ever built. To aid Cowboys owner and general manager Jerry Jones in paying the construction costs of the new stadium, Arlington voters approved the increase of the city's sales tax by 0.5 percent, the hotel occupancy tax by 2 percent, and car rental tax by 5 percent. The City of Arlington provided over $325 million (including interest) in bonds as funding, and Jones covered any cost overruns. Also, the NFL provided the Cowboys with an additional $150 million loan, as per their policy for facilitating financing for the construction of new stadiums.


My mistake, I read somewhere Jones owns the stadium so I figured he built it with his own money.
 
2013-02-11 02:11:49 PM
I am pretty sure the only reason LA exists is so teams can extort new stadiums from their current towns.

/what? they make movies there too? ohhh the movies I watch.
 
2013-02-11 03:01:19 PM

FriarReb98: TheGreatGazoo: The Bestest: grinding_journalist: Rams fan here and longtime STL resident- Pretty much. When the renovation question came up, my first thought was "the damn thing isn't 20 years old yet, wtf?"

At least the Rams just want renovations for their 20 year old dome.
The Falcons want an entirely new replacement for theirs.

Roger Goodell claims that the Georgia Dome is too old to host a Super Bowl.  But of course the New Orleans Super Dome is almost twice as old and is A-OK to do it.

This.  Just because a stadium doesn't have the amenities that the stadiums of the past decade or so have doesn't mean that they aren't good.  Hell, besides the Superdome, the oldest stadium in the NFL* just is finishing up a remodel now, and people there really could care less about how "modern" it is.

*no, I will not refer to Soldier Field as being 90 years old.  They destroyed Soldier Field and replaced it with a fairly crappy looking place.


Uh, does anybody NOT remember that the Superdome (essentially) had to be renovated post-Katrina?
 
2013-02-11 04:01:18 PM
The San Diego Chargers have been agitating (at a low level) for a new stadium for a while. Considering Qualcomm is approaching its 50th birthday, it may be time to give it to them, but since the Spanos Family has continued to A. let high level talent go somewhere else,B. Hire bad/inexperienced coaches (not judging the new staff just yet) and C. Jacked the price to see their somewhat crappy team up so goddamn high that a ticket to the nosebleeds costs more than $60, they sure as hell won't get a vote from me to do it.

/then again, it's the City of San Diego's money
//and I live in La Mesa
///all things in threes.
 
2013-02-11 04:23:10 PM

Bendal: Not surprising; Jerry Richardson (owner of the Panthers) just got an agreement from Charlotte and the state of NC to help fund the reconstruction of Panthers Stadium in Charlotte. Everyone got all worked up over him whining that his (fairly new) stadium was out of date and needed improvements, and so sorry, he didn't have the money to do it himself so could the city/state please give him some money?

The NFL owners are scam artists; they do this all the time even though they probably wipe their butts with $1000 bills, and cities and states are so afraid they will move they cave in nearly every single time. I dislike Jerry Jones but at least he funded and built his own stadium rather than beg Dallas and Texas to pay for it themselves.


Richardson is a terrible penny-pincher, but the initial stadium was almost entirely paid for with PSLs.  IIRC there was a small tax credit for land reclamation, but it was chump change compared to the price tag of the stadium.  The $250 million for renovations sounds steep for a 20-year old stadium, but remember how those concrete multipurpose bowls looked and felt after 20 years (by the mid-90s, they were pieces of garbage), and it's cheaper to make the renovations now rather than a few years from now when there's a robust construction market again.

And the whole stadium row was likely part of a push to get Charlotte a Super Bowl.  The weather in North Carolina isn't bad compared to New York, and we've got more hotel space than Jacksonville (though they'll need to build more than a few new hotels).  While sports venues' impact on local economies is debatable, major events like national political conventions and Super Bowls can be a big shot in the arm.
 
2013-02-11 05:19:01 PM

UNC_Samurai: And the whole stadium row was likely part of a push to get Charlotte a Super Bowl.  The weather in North Carolina isn't bad compared to New York, and we've got more hotel space than Jacksonville (though they'll need to build more than a few new hotels).  While sports venues' impact on local economies is debatable, major events like national political conventions and Super Bowls can be a big shot in the arm.


I'll probably be wrong, but I'll LOL when the temps are in the 50s for next year when everyone was predicting temps in the 20s at kickoff.
 
2013-02-11 06:09:23 PM

poughdrew: Why don't they just go play in Marlins' Park?  Or do the Marlins technically own that place without paying for it, like every other sports stadium in the US?


Came here to say this. If they scheduled 81 cricket matches there, I'm sure they'd draw a bigger crowd than the Marlins.
 
2013-02-11 06:52:13 PM

The Bestest: grinding_journalist: Rams fan here and longtime STL resident- Pretty much. When the renovation question came up, my first thought was "the damn thing isn't 20 years old yet, wtf?"

At least the Rams just want renovations for their 20 year old dome.
The Falcons want an entirely new replacement for theirs.


With the $700 million in renovations they want to do on the dome it would make more sence just to build a new stadium.   Which would deffinalty get voted down if it came to a tax raise.
 
2013-02-12 09:33:35 AM

Yaxe: The San Diego Chargers have been agitating (at a low level) for a new stadium for a while. Considering Qualcomm is approaching its 50th birthday, it may be time to give it to them


Fark em
 
2013-02-13 01:58:31 AM
My understanding is that the Dolphins own Joe Robbie Stadium. Were there not Dolphin seats that were torn out to make a Left or Right Field? Soooo shouldn't the Marlins pay to at least replace those seats?
 
2013-02-13 06:44:13 PM

rc3ntexas: My understanding is that the Dolphins own Joe Robbie Stadium. Were there not Dolphin seats that were torn out to make a Left or Right Field? Soooo shouldn't the Marlins pay to at least replace those seats?


They were retractable; Joe Robbie made it that way entirely so they could lure a team there.
 
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