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(BBC)   British Prime Minister says that Scots have the "best of both worlds," also that resistance is futile and they will be assimilated   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 46
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2013-02-11 07:03:37 AM
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Oh, subby, you magnificent bastard you...
 
2013-02-11 07:04:56 AM
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2013-02-11 07:08:29 AM
Scotland is my fantasy home.  I've never been but I've always heard it calling to me.  It's kind of like UP though, I put some money away and stuff happens.
 
2013-02-11 07:17:23 AM
"Mr. Worf...fire."


The next week, when they played a re-run, I learned to my horror what a season finale was.

That was worse than waiting for Christmas.
 
2013-02-11 07:17:56 AM
The current situation is rather nice: the Scottish parliament has just enough power to make things difficult for Westminster, but not enough to do anything stupid. Unfortunately the SNP don't realise that most of their voters are voting for them because they're like Labour except without the taint of Blair, rather than because of the whole independence thing.
 
2013-02-11 07:20:20 AM
Nationalists seem to crawl out the the woodwork whenever there is a financial crisis. Unfortunately, preserving a culture, language or promoting other form of "self-determination" never puts food on the table and usually winds up costing dearly, but the sheep never learn.

The fact remains: Whoever winds up in the driver's seat will eventually wind up being corrupt, greedy and beholden to special interests despite starting out with the best of intentions.

Meet the new boss..same as the old boss.
 
2013-02-11 07:20:49 AM
Maybe Scotty doesn't know?
 
2013-02-11 07:28:08 AM
fta "The real question is whether it should - whether Scotland is stronger, safer, richer and fairer within our United Kingdom or outside it."

I see Cameron is still gloating about Oliver Cromwell. Jerk.
 
2013-02-11 07:28:40 AM

Day_Old_Dutchie: Unfortunately, preserving a culture, language or promoting other form of "self-determination" never puts food on the table and usually winds up costing dearly, but the sheep never learn.


No idea what your Fark handle is a reference to, but this post gets a lot funnier if we imagine that you're actually Dutch.
 
2013-02-11 07:35:46 AM
It's Wales that needs to be freed. Then they can repatriate all the vowels the English took, and the English will start having to spell "colour" like normal people instead of wankers.
 
2013-02-11 07:43:21 AM

gadian: Scotland is my fantasy home.  I've never been but I've always heard it calling to me.  It's kind of like UP though, I put some money away and stuff happens.


Don't have illusions about Scotland, it's really unpleasant.
Lots of it is empty and boring and the weather is dreadful. If the clouds clear so you can see the view of yet another empty hill then the midges come out and bite you.
The people live in some sort of time-warp and you can't understand a word they say.
The last time I was in Edinburgh there were vile drunks puking on the pavements and I got told to fark off by a stinky tramp.
 
2013-02-11 07:53:19 AM
Will Sean Connery get to be pope?
 
2013-02-11 07:58:14 AM
Can we trade Texas for Scotland?
 
2013-02-11 08:00:18 AM
The best of both worlds: England and Scotland. Or was he thinking of another dimension?
 
2013-02-11 08:04:34 AM
Empire's over, son
 
2013-02-11 08:10:32 AM
They can wear pants or skirts. Truly, the best of both worlds.
 
2013-02-11 08:10:36 AM
Best fo both worlds?  So hermaphrodites?
 
2013-02-11 08:11:22 AM
Could someone explain to me what exactly the UK is? It seems like the comparison of the US vs. an individual state doesn't hold, like we are much more federalist. Whenever I see international affairs, like sports and politics, they are referred to as British or Scottish. Even things like military missions have said that British troops, not UK troops, are involved with UN peacekeeping missions, or in Afghanistan. Does the UK have an army? Does it have a parliament in addition to British parliament? Does it have any power? It seems like the "United Kingdom" is just a thing that exists on geopolitical maps.
 
2013-02-11 08:12:24 AM

rumpelstiltskin: It's Wales that needs to be freed. Then they can repatriate all the vowels the English took, and the English will start having to spell "colour" like normal people instead of wankers.


Great, another "Save the Wales" weirdo.
 
2013-02-11 08:12:49 AM
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FWEEEEDOMMMM!!!
 
2013-02-11 08:14:34 AM
I am dyslexia of Borg, futility is resistant, your ass will be laminated.
 
2013-02-11 08:16:02 AM

Day_Old_Dutchie: Nationalists seem to crawl out the the woodwork whenever there is a financial crisis. Unfortunately, preserving a culture, language or promoting other form of "self-determination" never puts food on the table and usually winds up costing dearly, but the sheep never learn.


The issue of Scottish independence has been going on a LOT longer than the last 5 years, it's also generally not the same as most nationalism you see about - "No Darkies" isn't one of their core policies.
 
2013-02-11 08:17:18 AM

Tommy Moo: Could someone explain to me what exactly the UK is? It seems like the comparison of the US vs. an individual state doesn't hold, like we are much more federalist. Whenever I see international affairs, like sports and politics, they are referred to as British or Scottish. Even things like military missions have said that British troops, not UK troops, are involved with UN peacekeeping missions, or in Afghanistan. Does the UK have an army? Does it have a parliament in addition to British parliament? Does it have any power? It seems like the "United Kingdom" is just a thing that exists on geopolitical maps.


Who knows the answers to these questions? I do. And I'm going to tell you right now.
 
2013-02-11 08:18:02 AM

Tommy Moo: Could someone explain to me what exactly the UK is? It seems like the comparison of the US vs. an individual state doesn't hold, like we are much more federalist. Whenever I see international affairs, like sports and politics, they are referred to as British or Scottish. Even things like military missions have said that British troops, not UK troops, are involved with UN peacekeeping missions, or in Afghanistan. Does the UK have an army? Does it have a parliament in addition to British parliament? Does it have any power? It seems like the "United Kingdom" is just a thing that exists on geopolitical maps.


Our country is called, in full, 'The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland' or Britain for short, thus we have 'British' troops and a 'British' Olympic team, like 'American' troops etc.

Great Britain is the island off the top of France and is made up of England, Wales and Scotland. Northern Ireland is the British bit at the top end of the Irish island.
Because we are a democratic nation the Welsh and the Northern Irish each have their own Assembly and the Scots have a Parliament, but the main central power is with the British government in London, the capital city of Great Britain, and Centre of the Known Universe.
 
2013-02-11 08:18:37 AM

Copper Spork: The current situation is rather nice: the Scottish parliament has just enough power to make things difficult for Westminster, but not enough to do anything stupid. Unfortunately the SNP

...

It's my understanding that doing something stupid is a central element of the SNP agenda.
 
2013-02-11 08:22:07 AM
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/A++++++ would assimilate again!
 
2013-02-11 08:23:54 AM

Tommy Moo: Could someone explain to me what exactly the UK is? It seems like the comparison of the US vs. an individual state doesn't hold, like we are much more federalist. Whenever I see international affairs, like sports and politics, they are referred to as British or Scottish. Even things like military missions have said that British troops, not UK troops, are involved with UN peacekeeping missions, or in Afghanistan. Does the UK have an army? Does it have a parliament in addition to British parliament? Does it have any power? It seems like the "United Kingdom" is just a thing that exists on geopolitical maps.


united kingdom is Britian and Northern Ireland.

Britian is the island containing England, Scotland, and Whales.

The UK army is called the british army even though it includes people from all of the UK.
 
2013-02-11 08:24:36 AM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Day_Old_Dutchie: Nationalists seem to crawl out the the woodwork whenever there is a financial crisis. Unfortunately, preserving a culture, language or promoting other form of "self-determination" never puts food on the table and usually winds up costing dearly, but the sheep never learn.

The issue of Scottish independence has been going on a LOT longer than the last 5 years, it's also generally not the same as most nationalism you see about - "No Darkies" isn't one of their core policies.


Indeed. And it only tends to come up when the UK as a whole has elected a Conservative government. There's not really any principles to admire, it's just "Our region of a country doesn't like the current government, therefore our region should secede". What about when the Scottish highlands don't like the devolved government that's been voted in? Should the highlands have independence? It's nuts.
 
2013-02-11 08:34:21 AM
mister aj:

Indeed. And it only tends to come up when the UK as a whole has elected a Conservative government. There's not really any principles to admire, it's just "Our region of a country doesn't like the current government, therefore our region should secede". What about when the Scottish highlands don't like the devolved government that's been voted in? Should the highlands have independence? It's nuts.

Hmmm... They were certainly pretty keen on the idea when Tony Blair and Gordon Brown were PMs, although it's been a few years since I lives there so I can't comment too much on how things may have developed.
 
2013-02-11 08:47:27 AM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: mister aj:

Indeed. And it only tends to come up when the UK as a whole has elected a Conservative government. There's not really any principles to admire, it's just "Our region of a country doesn't like the current government, therefore our region should secede". What about when the Scottish highlands don't like the devolved government that's been voted in? Should the highlands have independence? It's nuts.

Hmmm... They were certainly pretty keen on the idea when Tony Blair and Gordon Brown were PMs, although it's been a few years since I lives there so I can't comment too much on how things may have developed.


It certainly never got loud enough to make the news, until the last UK election. As somebody who was on the ground, what were the principles behind Scottish independence? There's a lot of independence movements around the world with interesting reasons, but none of them seem to apply here. UK citizens resident in Scotland are not an oppressed minority, nor are they disenfranchised, having the same rights in UK-wide elections that those resident in England, Wales and Northern Ireland do.

If it's not purely partisan, I genuinely don't get what the reason is.
 
2013-02-11 08:50:16 AM
"It's about heart because our nations share a proud and emotional history,"

AYE ya bahsted  leeches - Geeet the FOOOOK AOUT - bellowed my father when ever he was at home and drunk.
it was scary as hell.  Dad was one of the big Scots.  Not some weenie poet scotsman.  His idea of dressed up was his kilt and a bottle.  In 1960 nobody laughed when he hove to on the horizon dressed in a kilt.
For decades I thought this was proper behavior.  It won me everything I wanted.  The biggest most beautiful toughest women, the biggest lawsuits, the largest police at the door and a cadre of oral surgeons that were eternally grateful for the income.
And then one day it dawned on me why the old man was dead at 48.
I figured I'd try sanity for a while.  Looking around, I see that I'm sort of alone in that.

Look at the tax revenues and you'll see immediately who's going to take the beating here.
And please, skip the emo part ya bloodless bastards.

DAD? (NSFW)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGxKhUuZ0Rc

Funny-NSFW  -   http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FFRoYhTJQQ
 
2013-02-11 08:59:12 AM
All I know is, the British version of Top Gear is not half as witty or engaging as the original American version.


/ spontaneously combusts
 
2013-02-11 09:03:39 AM
"Best of both worlds"?

Those aren't chicks with dicks, they're just men in kilts.
 
2013-02-11 09:05:09 AM
UK citizens resident in Scotland are not an oppressed minority, nor are they disenfranchised, having the same rights in UK-wide elections that those resident in England, Wales and Northern Ireland do.

Depends how you measure it. Scotland has always been politically very different from England. Throughout the 20th Century voted for left of centre to centre left parties, closer to Democrat than Republican. They've always voted for parties that favour issues like social justice and healthcare. they're not keen that the UK's nuclear arsenal is based entirely in Scotland  on the outskirts of its biggest city, and are also generally been in favour of closer European integration, and less keen on monarchy.

England on the other hand prefers to vote for right wing politicians with economic policies that favour the London area, are strongly pro-royalty and pro-military intervention.

One of the reasons for the independence movement is that Scots can vote for whoever they want, but it is whoever England votes for that runs the UK. The UK government is a coalition dominated by the Conservative party. Scotland only voted in one Conservative MP.

Oh, and most Scots would consider themselves to be Scottish first, and the term "UK Citizen"  because it says so on their passports. The same applies to the English.

And BTW Scotland isn't a 'region' It's a country. Always has been. It's one of the strange anomalies of the UK, in that it consists of two countries (Scotland and England) a principality (Wales) and a province (Northern Ireland)

 
2013-02-11 09:21:07 AM

mister aj: It certainly never got loud enough to make the news, until the last UK election.


North of the border it was in the news on a very regular basis even while Tony Blair was PM, which was a surprise to me when I moved up there in '05 as I'd rarely seen it covered while living in England.

As somebody who was on the ground, what were the principles behind Scottish independence? There's a lot of independence movements around the world with interesting reasons, but none of them seem to apply here. UK citizens resident in Scotland are not an oppressed minority, nor are they disenfranchised, having the same rights in UK-wide elections that those resident in England, Wales and Northern Ireland do.

I'm not Scottish and certainly can't speak for the Scots but it looked partly due to historical issues - in the past the English have, at times, been right bastards to the folks who live in other parts of the UK. The English have probably forgotten all that but the Scots, Irish and Welsh haven't. It's also because, as Karnag mentions, the culture is pretty different to the English.

That said I always thought they had a pretty good deal with a high degree of autonomy in their own affairs while also having a decent seat at the table in UK wide issues, but again - I'm not Scottish.
 
2013-02-11 09:46:15 AM
True, Scotland has its own parliament, set up in 1999, that rules on issues like education, health and a bunch of other stuff, areas like welfare and defence remain controlled by Westminster. While Scotland does send MPs to Westminster, they don't have much of a say in rulings made by the Westminster parliament and the scottish independence movement would simply want the Scottish parliament to control these issues too.

Of course, there is the anomaly that there's no English equivalent of the Scottish Parliament, so Scottish MPs can vote on issues that only affect England and Wales if they so choose. Gay marriage was one such issue recently. Scottish MPs could vote on whether it was to be allowed in England, but for Scotland it is being decided on at the Scottish Parliament so Westminster has no say over it.

All due to there being no written constitution in the UK. An independent Scotland would want one of these..

Oh, did I mention that Scotland is the EU's largest oil supplier? And that the decision on where that money goes and what it's spent on is made in London?  That colours many people's opinions about whether or not Scotland should run its own affairs.
 
2013-02-11 10:22:00 AM
Scots have the "best of both worlds"

??? I thought there could be only one.

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2013-02-11 10:26:36 AM
Best of both worlds indeed. An independent Scottish government focused entirely on the specific needs of Scotland that will never again be a minority voice in a larger union and will certainly never again suffer Tory leadership and the EU to ensure smooth trade and travel between borders. I think that is quite enough.

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Jenthelibrarian: gadian: Scotland is my fantasy home.  I've never been but I've always heard it calling to me.  It's kind of like UP though, I put some money away and stuff happens.

Don't have illusions about Scotland, it's really unpleasant.
Lots of it is empty and boring and the weather is dreadful. If the clouds clear so you can see the view of yet another empty hill then the midges come out and bite you.
The people live in some sort of time-warp and you can't understand a word they say.
The last time I was in Edinburgh there were vile drunks puking on the pavements and I got told to fark off by a stinky tramp.


Ah, brings a tear to my eye.

♫ Oh, flower of Scotland
When will we see
your like again ♪

♪Who FOUGHT and DIED FOR
your wee(sniff)♫
 
2013-02-11 11:18:42 AM

gadian: Scotland is my fantasy home.  I've never been but I've always heard it calling to me.  It's kind of like UP though, I put some money away and stuff happens.


Last time I was in Scotland, the locals were drinking American Budweiser as if it were a gift from the Gods. Better to keep Scotland as a fantasy, so don't visit lest the harsh reality destroys your dreams.
 
2013-02-11 11:55:58 AM

Day_Old_Dutchie: The fact remains: Whoever winds up in the driver's seat will eventually wind up being corrupt, greedy and beholden to special interests despite starting out with the best of intentions.

Meet the new boss..same as the old boss.


Hey now, discussions about the next Pope are in the other thre-

Oh.  My bad.
 
2013-02-11 01:03:21 PM
Coming from Scotland, but living in America, it's interesting to see the political divide at a distance. It really is miniscule. It's several different sides all fighting over who gets to run the country the same way. The only differences are the SNP wants to not have to answer to Westminster, but do everything the same way as they have been, and the Tories want to everyone to aspire to live in a suburb. Everything else is glitter.
 
2013-02-11 01:07:27 PM
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2013-02-11 01:08:22 PM

Gordon Bennett: Best of both worlds indeed. An independent Scottish government focused entirely on the specific needs of Scotland that will never again be a minority voice in a larger union and will certainly never again suffer Tory leadership and the EU to ensure smooth trade and travel between borders. I think that is quite enough.

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After a decade of the Scottish Parliament it took a Tory boy to give you the vote that you want.

Let me say that again the Conservative Party cares more for your democratic right of self determination than the Scottish Nationalist Party does. Just goes to show what Dear Leader thinks of regular Scotts.
 
2013-02-11 04:33:39 PM
pretty much the rape and pillaging by the english and the burning of our own history...

showed that's already been done and dusted.


next thing i'll hear is the american revolution was fought against only the english who all had uniforms cleanly pressed and armed. AND never against unarmed scots thrown in only to die at the hands of the newly created americans...

nah.. that never happened.

100,000's of irish immigrants weren't treated like slaves and thrown overboard to make room on the way to america...


nah only the black people suffered.  ignorance is bliss. When you're david cameron, ignorance is the only thing you have
 
2013-02-11 09:28:55 PM

Jenthelibrarian: gadian: Scotland is my fantasy home.  I've never been but I've always heard it calling to me.  It's kind of like UP though, I put some money away and stuff happens.

Don't have illusions about Scotland, it's really unpleasant.
Lots of it is empty and boring and the weather is dreadful. If the clouds clear so you can see the view of yet another empty hill then the midges come out and bite you.
The people live in some sort of time-warp and you can't understand a word they say.
The last time I was in Edinburgh there were vile drunks puking on the pavements and I got told to fark off by a stinky tramp.


Where the fark did you go and what the fark were you doing? Both times I was in Scotland it was quite enjoyable. (Edinburgh and Glasgow the first time, Edinburgh, Inverness, and bus tour of the Highlands the second time.)
 
2013-02-11 10:33:46 PM
...Also, I didn't meet a single person who was hard to understand.
 
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