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2013-02-11 12:20:41 AM
www.movie-page.com

?
 
2013-02-11 12:26:47 AM
Still no cure for virus
 
2013-02-11 12:46:29 AM
... along with the host
 
2013-02-11 12:49:38 AM
I'm sure everything--hang on, someone's banging on my do
 
2013-02-11 12:50:06 AM
If it killed cancer it wouldn't just prolong their lives.

Good marketing angle, though. I'm sure people dying of cancer will be rushing to mortgage their houses. Think of the profits!
 
2013-02-11 12:50:16 AM
As long as you use a lot of ice and a serum from an immune host you should be good.

//if not just drive to the safe haven in Connecticut or something
 
2013-02-11 12:52:33 AM

RabidJade: As long as you use a lot of ice and a serum from an immune host you should be good.

//if not just drive to the safe haven in Connecticut or something


Or, ya know, allow the human race to evolve, like it did in the original ending.
 
2013-02-11 12:56:14 AM
Actually, reading it again, it seems they might have just given one dose to the subjects, saw that it was very effective, then never gave them any more, and watched them die.

If continued usage of it is required, it's still just a treatment they'll milk people for, instead of a one time deal.
 
2013-02-11 12:59:40 AM
March on SyFy.....


Mutant CancerVirus Zombie Deathvolcano!

--you won't want to live through it--
 
2013-02-11 01:06:44 AM

J. Frank Parnell: Actually, reading it again, it seems they might have just given one dose to the subjects, saw that it was very effective, then never gave them any more, and watched them die.

If continued usage of it is required, it's still just a treatment they'll milk people for, instead of a one time deal.


Well, since thousands of your cells turn rogue every day, I see this as a fair continued usage. I mean, why do those assholes make people take heart medications every day when it's clear you can just take one pill and be cured of hypertension? Clearly a scheme by Big Pharma.

In short, shut up.
 
2013-02-11 01:06:51 AM
I was puzzled by the reference to it as a vaccine.  It's clearly not a preventative shot, more like a treatment for an existing cancer.
 
2013-02-11 01:09:58 AM
But can the virus kill the Grimace?
 
2013-02-11 01:10:05 AM
Yes, it is the idea of the movie I am Legend starring Will Smith.
 
2013-02-11 01:10:17 AM
Also, what do you mean by "cancer"?
 
2013-02-11 01:14:25 AM
It's not a movie, it's a novella.
www.orbitshortfiction.com
 
2013-02-11 01:19:48 AM
I hope the rest of the horoscopes are safe.
 
2013-02-11 01:21:01 AM

hetheeme: RabidJade: As long as you use a lot of ice and a serum from an immune host you should be good.

//if not just drive to the safe haven in Connecticut or something

Or, ya know, allow the human race to evolve, like it did in the original ending.


upload.wikimedia.org
Evolve towards unity!
 
2013-02-11 01:21:22 AM

HotWingAgenda: I was puzzled by the reference to it as a vaccine.  It's clearly not a preventative shot, more like a treatment for an existing cancer.


But if we call it a vaccine, the anti-vaxxers will avoid it, so they can hurry up and die.
 
2013-02-11 01:24:04 AM

Fano: Well, since thousands of your cells turn rogue every day


Yeah, i was preaching that years ago here. There's cancer cells in all our bodies right now, and all that. Probably where you got it.

The other half of that knowledge, which you seem to have forgotten, is if your immune system is working fine, it can handle irregular cells with ease, and does so frequently. No need for medicine at all. It only becomes a problem when your immune system is suppressed or weakened significantly so it can't defend against them, and the cells begin to build up into tumors.

Some people would say the immune system is still capable of killing tumors on its own with proper lifestyle changes, but you, you should definitely get radiation and chemo. I insist on it.
 
2013-02-11 01:32:29 AM

J. Frank Parnell: Fano: Well, since thousands of your cells turn rogue every day

Yeah, i was preaching that years ago here. There's cancer cells in all our bodies right now, and all that. Probably where you got it.

The other half of that knowledge, which you seem to have forgotten, is if your immune system is working fine, it can handle irregular cells with ease, and does so frequently. No need for medicine at all. It only becomes a problem when your immune system is suppressed or weakened significantly so it can't defend against them, and the cells begin to build up into tumors.

Some people would say the immune system is still capable of killing tumors on its own with proper lifestyle changes, but you, you should definitely get radiation and chemo. I insist on it.


Wow, you just doubled down on retard. Why have oncologists when you can just eat right and get exercise. Why, what else do you need? Are you selling some nutritional supplements? Because I would buy them from you if you had access to some good ones.
 
2013-02-11 01:33:29 AM
About a tenth of a percent of the population had the exact opposite effect...they've gone beyond madness...they killed everyone else...and not just killed...they've done things...
 
2013-02-11 01:36:52 AM

Fano: J. Frank Parnell: Fano: Well, since thousands of your cells turn rogue every day

Yeah, i was preaching that years ago here. There's cancer cells in all our bodies right now, and all that. Probably where you got it.

The other half of that knowledge, which you seem to have forgotten, is if your immune system is working fine, it can handle irregular cells with ease, and does so frequently. No need for medicine at all. It only becomes a problem when your immune system is suppressed or weakened significantly so it can't defend against them, and the cells begin to build up into tumors.

Some people would say the immune system is still capable of killing tumors on its own with proper lifestyle changes, but you, you should definitely get radiation and chemo. I insist on it.

Wow, you just doubled down on retard. Why have oncologists when you can just eat right and get exercise. Why, what else do you need? Are you selling some nutritional supplements? Because I would buy them from you if you had access to some good ones.


Why eat right and exercise, if you're just gonna get cancer, anyway?
 
2013-02-11 01:38:00 AM

ciberido: hetheeme: RabidJade: As long as you use a lot of ice and a serum from an immune host you should be good.

//if not just drive to the safe haven in Connecticut or something

Or, ya know, allow the human race to evolve, like it did in the original ending.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 400x208]
Evolve towards unity!


what is this reference?
 
2013-02-11 01:39:19 AM

HotWingAgenda: I was puzzled by the reference to it as a vaccine.  It's clearly not a preventative shot, more like a treatment for an existing cancer.


It's because the virus they used: They mutated the Vaccinia virus (thus named because it was used to vaccinate against Smallpox).
 
2013-02-11 01:39:49 AM
Rise up this mornin',
Smiled with the risin' sun,
Three little birds
Pitch by my doorstep
Singin' sweet songs
Of melodies pure and true,
Sayin', "This is my message to you-ou-ou:"

Singin': "Don't worry about a thing, worry about a thing, oh!
Every little thing gonna be all right. Don't worry!"
Singin': "Don't worry about a thing" - I won't worry!
"'Cause every little thing gonna be all right."

Singin': "Don't worry about a thing,
'Cause every little thing gonna be all right" - I won't worry!
 
2013-02-11 01:40:47 AM
i1184.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-11 01:41:46 AM

harrydorcas: Yes, it is the idea of the movie I am Legend starring Will Smith.

stickerish.com

/Sorry.
//Couldn't stop myself.
 
2013-02-11 01:47:20 AM

Fano: Wow, you just doubled down on retard. Why have oncologists when you can just eat right and get exercise. Why, what else do you need? Are you selling some nutritional supplements? Because I would buy them from you if you had access to some good ones.


Didn't mention anything about exercise or supplements. I hear inhaling dioxins bolsters the immune system. You should try it.

And i have to say i'm flattered at your obsession with me, and the arbitrary abuse you've sent my way over such a long time period. I wouldn't be surprised if you called me retarded when i first told you what you just repeated part of. Mental case.
 
2013-02-11 01:52:53 AM

GranoblasticMan: HotWingAgenda: I was puzzled by the reference to it as a vaccine.  It's clearly not a preventative shot, more like a treatment for an existing cancer.

But if we call it a vaccine, the anti-vaxxers will avoid it, so they can hurry up and die.


Warn them that it contains traces of dihydrogen monoxide.
 
2013-02-11 01:55:42 AM

Yogimus: Fano: J. Frank Parnell: Fano: Well, since thousands of your cells turn rogue every day

Yeah, i was preaching that years ago here. There's cancer cells in all our bodies right now, and all that. Probably where you got it.

The other half of that knowledge, which you seem to have forgotten, is if your immune system is working fine, it can handle irregular cells with ease, and does so frequently. No need for medicine at all. It only becomes a problem when your immune system is suppressed or weakened significantly so it can't defend against them, and the cells begin to build up into tumors.

Some people would say the immune system is still capable of killing tumors on its own with proper lifestyle changes, but you, you should definitely get radiation and chemo. I insist on it.

Wow, you just doubled down on retard. Why have oncologists when you can just eat right and get exercise. Why, what else do you need? Are you selling some nutritional supplements? Because I would buy them from you if you had access to some good ones.

Why eat right and exercise, if you're just gonna get cancer, anyway?


I will post the caveat, "someday". Of course eating well and exercising are good for you, and rewarding as well. But saying that you don't need anything else in the fight against cancer is folly. I just mean they aren't enough, and I couldn't tell a cancer victim it's because they didn't eat perfectly and have just the right workout program. And also fark medicine for having a treatment that isn't one pill that protects you forever against abnormal cell division.
 
2013-02-11 01:57:10 AM

fusillade762: ?


What is that from?
 
2013-02-11 01:57:40 AM

IlGreven: About a tenth of a percent of the population had the exact opposite effect...they've gone beyond madness...they killed everyone else...and not just killed...they've done things...


They'll rape us to death, eat our flesh, and sew our skins into their clothing - and if we're very, very lucky, they'll do it in that order.
 
2013-02-11 01:59:27 AM
My name is... well, it's not important.  I am a survivor living on the net. I am posting on all Fark threads. I will be at the 8.8.8.8 Google DNS server everyday at mid-day, when the bandwidth is best. If you are out there... if anyone is out there... I can provide caturday pics, I can provide rackspace, I can provide firewalls. If there's anybody out there... anybody... please. You are not alone.
 
2013-02-11 02:01:52 AM

J. Frank Parnell: Fano: Wow, you just doubled down on retard. Why have oncologists when you can just eat right and get exercise. Why, what else do you need? Are you selling some nutritional supplements? Because I would buy them from you if you had access to some good ones.

Didn't mention anything about exercise or supplements. I hear inhaling dioxins bolsters the immune system. You should try it.

And i have to say i'm flattered at your obsession with me, and the arbitrary abuse you've sent my way over such a long time period. I wouldn't be surprised if you called me retarded when i first told you what you just repeated part of. Mental case.


Eh? I just respond to your foolishness. I hear all your posts in the voice of The Question from JLU.

I don't think I'm alone in that.
 
2013-02-11 02:07:03 AM
BTW, ciberido, would you be surprised I have you favorites?
 
2013-02-11 02:09:57 AM

Fano: But saying that you don't need anything else in the fight against cancer is folly


What you definitely don't need is radiation and chemo, that much is certain. Radiation causes cancer, and studies are now showing chemo makes many cancers stronger. Even if those 'cures' manage to destroy the tumors they also damage everything else, like your immune system, and leave you with an extremely high chance to get cancer again because they are themselves highly carcinogenic.

What i was trying to get at earlier is mainly just that drug companies have no interest in cures because they don't make as much money as treatments, and that's what this sounds a bit like. Any potential cures they find are buried under years of tests while other dubious drugs are rushed to market and later found to be very dangerous.

/actually, just forget all that
//dioxins and radiation for you
 
2013-02-11 02:11:48 AM

Yogimus: ciberido: hetheeme: RabidJade: As long as you use a lot of ice and a serum from an immune host you should be good.

//if not just drive to the safe haven in Connecticut or something

Or, ya know, allow the human race to evolve, like it did in the original ending.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 400x208]
Evolve towards unity!

what is this reference?


leave. leave now and do not come back.
 
2013-02-11 02:12:44 AM

gideon: fusillade762: ?

What is that from?


a sequel to one of the shiattiest movies ever made.
 
2013-02-11 02:20:47 AM

J. Frank Parnell: Fano: But saying that you don't need anything else in the fight against cancer is folly

What you definitely don't need is radiation and chemo, that much is certain. Radiation causes cancer, and studies are now showing chemo makes many cancers stronger. Even if those 'cures' manage to destroy the tumors they also damage everything else, like your immune system, and leave you with an extremely high chance to get cancer again because they are themselves highly carcinogenic.

What i was trying to get at earlier is mainly just that drug companies have no interest in cures because they don't make as much money as treatments, and that's what this sounds a bit like. Any potential cures they find are buried under years of tests while other dubious drugs are rushed to market and later found to be very dangerous.

/actually, just forget all that
//dioxins and radiation for you


Yeah, screw the win against polio, everyone was against that.

Keep in mind researchers and even the business guys suffer from cancer. Their loved ones do too. Are you saying that all of them are in on this conspiracy? Cancer is a difficult problem caused by normal biological processes. The idea we COULD cure cancer but don't is retard talk. What was Steve Jobs paid to keep up the act?
 
2013-02-11 02:21:14 AM

Fano: BTW, ciberido, would you be surprised I have you favorites?


Slightly.  I'm not very good at predicting what others do or will think of me.
 
2013-02-11 02:23:36 AM
after reading Crossed.....bring on Virus Zombies they just want my brain
 
2013-02-11 02:27:47 AM

Yogimus: ciberido: hetheeme: RabidJade: As long as you use a lot of ice and a serum from an immune host you should be good.

//if not just drive to the safe haven in Connecticut or something

Or, ya know, allow the human race to evolve, like it did in the original ending.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 400x208]
Evolve towards unity!

what is this reference?


www.docgamer.com
The Master.  From Fallout 1.
i3.ytimg.com
He's the final boss of the game.  It's interesting in that you can defeat him with conversation.
 
2013-02-11 02:32:45 AM

ciberido: Fano: BTW, ciberido, would you be surprised I have you favorites?

Slightly.  I'm not very good at predicting what others do or will think of me.


I think from one of the recent threads you probably thought ill of me, but I've thought positively of you over the years.
 
2013-02-11 02:35:40 AM

gideon: fusillade762: ?

What is that from?


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-02-11 02:38:00 AM

Fano: Eh? I just respond to your foolishness. I hear all your posts in the voice of The Question from JLU.

I don't think I'm alone in that.


Actually, in all my years here there is only one other person who's been as rude and ignorant as you to me. You were the first, for what it's worth, and i admire your dedication.

And if you do think i'm being foolish, try not to respond to it with derp and playground namecalling. You shoot yourself in the foot, every time.
 
2013-02-11 02:42:06 AM
 
2013-02-11 02:45:46 AM

J. Frank Parnell: Fano: Eh? I just respond to your foolishness. I hear all your posts in the voice of The Question from JLU.

I don't think I'm alone in that.

Actually, in all my years here there is only one other person who's been as rude and ignorant as you to me. You were the first, for what it's worth, and i admire your dedication.

And if you do think i'm being foolish, try not to respond to it with derp and playground namecalling. You shoot yourself in the foot, every time.


Your ignore list must be pretty long then. I'll agree to cease name calling, but I'm only meeting your derpy posts with reality.
 
2013-02-11 02:46:27 AM

fusillade762: gideon: fusillade762: ?

What is that from?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x329]



I didn't recognize the character so I assumed it was from an even shiattier sequel.
 
2013-02-11 03:09:49 AM

ciberido: Yogimus: ciberido: hetheeme: RabidJade: As long as you use a lot of ice and a serum from an immune host you should be good.

//if not just drive to the safe haven in Connecticut or something

Or, ya know, allow the human race to evolve, like it did in the original ending.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 400x208]
Evolve towards unity!

what is this reference?

[www.docgamer.com image 600x309]
The Master.  From Fallout 1.
[i3.ytimg.com image 320x180]
He's the final boss of the game.  It's interesting in that you can defeat him with conversation.


Weird, I beat that game.  Must have spaced out.

/crop rotation
 
2013-02-11 03:34:56 AM

log_jammin: fusillade762: gideon: fusillade762: ?

What is that from?

[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x329]

I didn't recognize the character so I assumed it was from an even shiattier sequel.


For all I know it could be. I've never seen the whole movie. The only reason I think it's from the original is that I pulled it from a site reviewing it.
 
2013-02-11 03:38:11 AM

GranoblasticMan: The virus has mutated. The virus is spreading.


Shut.
Down.
EVERYTHING.
 
2013-02-11 03:41:03 AM
I'll just be over here with my two rocks and a cup of water.
 
2013-02-11 03:46:03 AM
I've seen this headline before.
 
2013-02-11 05:08:41 AM

anfrind: It's not a movie, it's a novella.
[www.orbitshortfiction.com image 378x500]


A pretty darn good novella as well.
 
2013-02-11 05:40:11 AM
I'm just a bit confused by how they managed to get a 14 month survival rate, from a  trail period of only 4 weeks. Other than that , sound's good to me. Sign me up, Scotty!
 
2013-02-11 06:20:26 AM
A high ph level can also kill cancer.
 
2013-02-11 06:26:29 AM

2 Replies: [i1184.photobucket.com image 470x200]


K I gotta ask: why was he sleeping in the bathtub?
I mean, I know in warzones that's what people do if they think the tub is more likely to deflect shrapnel that comes through the walls when bombs land nearby -but for a bunch of zombie monster type things??? Just go to bed!

Am I alone in thinking that that made no sense at all?
 
2013-02-11 06:27:36 AM

leevis: A high ph level can also kill cancer.


Morbosayscancerdoesnotworkthatway.jpg
 
2013-02-11 06:29:43 AM

leevis: A high ph level can also kill cancer.


As can a low one...
blog.bullz-eye.com
 
2013-02-11 06:36:08 AM
My step father was in a study like this, unfortunately he died because he was too far gone already and it did not have time to take effect....but ALL of the patients who did not get the placebo recovered.  His was throat cancer, in the 'bracheal-therapy" they were using your own DNA attached with a virus to tell it to behave like a virus does; blockers were applied to tell the cells never to grow again.

This use of a beaning virus is said to have a lot of potential for inserting gene fixes as well, for say Parkinson or giving an immunity to HIV (give you 2 copies of Delta 32)
 
2013-02-11 07:20:58 AM
Oh. It's this announcement. "We've cured cancer", then you never hear about it again.
 
2013-02-11 07:40:22 AM
I'll reserve judgement until Dr. Jenny McCarthy weighs in.
 
2013-02-11 07:42:11 AM
Still,  no cure for stupidity.
 
2013-02-11 07:58:58 AM

Ishkur: But can the virus kill the Grimace?


s3.roosterteeth.com
"Nothing can kill the Grimace."
 
2013-02-11 08:01:22 AM

sudo give me more cowbell: 2 Replies: [i1184.photobucket.com image 470x200]

K I gotta ask: why was he sleeping in the bathtub?
I mean, I know in warzones that's what people do if they think the tub is more likely to deflect shrapnel that comes through the walls when bombs land nearby -but for a bunch of zombie monster type things??? Just go to bed!

Am I alone in thinking that that made no sense at all?


I think it was more of a psychological thing. Fetal position and all that.

But it was secrecy that was keeping him safe more than the security measures, so it at least seems plausible that he was trying to avoid giving his position away with any inadvertent noise after dark (what with nightmares, and a dog...).
 
2013-02-11 08:03:21 AM

Fano: J. Frank Parnell: Fano: Eh? I just respond to your foolishness. I hear all your posts in the voice of The Question from JLU.

I don't think I'm alone in that.

Actually, in all my years here there is only one other person who's been as rude and ignorant as you to me. You were the first, for what it's worth, and i admire your dedication.

And if you do think i'm being foolish, try not to respond to it with derp and playground namecalling. You shoot yourself in the foot, every time.

Your ignore list must be pretty long then. I'll agree to cease name calling, but I'm only meeting your derpy posts with reality.


My mother has cancer, so I'm getting a kick out of you asswipes and your mastabatory stupidfest. STFU.
 
2013-02-11 08:20:17 AM
The tub thing in I Am Legend might make some sense if he thought the creatures might detect body heat, but I agree it was probably mostly psychological.
 
2013-02-11 09:23:52 AM

anfrind: It's not a movie, it's a novella.
[www.orbitshortfiction.com image 378x500]


Hadn't read the novella, but the trilogy is pretty good. Feed, Deadline and Blackout if anyone cares.
 
2013-02-11 09:51:31 AM

3rotor: I'm just a bit confused by how they managed to get a 14 month survival rate, from a  trail period of only 4 weeks. Other than that , sound's good to me. Sign me up, Scotty!


That'd mean they were on the drug for 4 weeks. That's the 'trial period'. The 14 months would include that 4 weeks plus followup, which usually last until death or two or three years, whichever happens first. 

J. Frank Parnell: Fano: But saying that you don't need anything else in the fight against cancer is folly

What you definitely don't need is radiation and chemo, that much is certain. Radiation causes cancer, and studies are now showing chemo makes many cancers stronger. Even if those 'cures' manage to destroy the tumors they also damage everything else, like your immune system, and leave you with an extremely high chance to get cancer again because they are themselves highly carcinogenic.

What i was trying to get at earlier is mainly just that drug companies have no interest in cures because they don't make as much money as treatments, and that's what this sounds a bit like. Any potential cures they find are buried under years of tests while other dubious drugs are rushed to market and later found to be very dangerous.

/actually, just forget all that
//dioxins and radiation for you


Neither radiation or chemo work every time. They can, and occasionally do, make it worse. But they continue to be used because, on average, they do good. There's a reason that cancer mortality rates have been falling even though incidence is rising (http://globocan.iarc.fr/factsheet.asp), and it's improvements in surgery, drugs and radiation. Will all the lifestyle stuff you suggested to boost your immune system do some good? Yeah. It might decrease your chances of getting cancer, and it might help manage it once you've got it.
At any rate, this article isn't about chemo. A bit part of the reason oncolytic viruses are such a hot area (there are several others, some a lot closer to the market than this) is that they can provide the benefits of chemo without debilitating side effects.
Finally, if you don't think the pharma industry has an interest in cures, you haven't thought it through. In the long run, would it be more profitable to keep coming up with new treatments and not cure the disease? Only if one company had a monopoly. As it is, there are many drug companies, from Pfizer down to start-ups out of university labs. They're facing a huge patent cliff, where most of their best drugs will come off patent in the next couple years. When that happens, generics get in and prices promptly drop to around the cost of production. They need blockbuster drugs to fill those holes. Add in the fact that drug patents are globally standardized at 20 years now (with short extensions sometimes, but not much). It takes years to get a drug to market, and you generally have to patent early in the process. Once a drug hits the market, they control it for 10 years, 15 if they're really lucky. So you're in a cutthroat industry, facing a revenue problem. Your scientists come up with a potential cure. What do you do? Sit on it and try to come up with more treatment type drugs? Ok, then you run the risk that a competitor discovers the same thing and releases it, crushing your market. Even if they don't, you have to rely on your development pipeline to come up with an alternative that's provably better than what's currently on the market, and that's better than what your competitors come up with. Or you develop the cure, sell it, make unholy amounts of money and get hailed as a hero (the top cancer drug today, Avastin, is worth ~5 billion a year, and a cure for even one type of cancer would make more), and kick the fiscal can 15 years down the road. Which seems more like typical corporate behavior? The risky, hard work based long game approach, or get rich, get promoted, and leave the mess for the next guys?
You might argue that the drug companies have some sort of agreement to keep the ultra-competitive scenario I described above from happening. But even if you believe that it's possible for the dozen or so major drug companies around the world to enforce such a pact, there are always startups, usually formed by scientists who discover a single potential drug, looking to break in.
So even if you don't buy that the people who work at drug companies are people too and want to help patients, as Fano pointed out, the pure economics mean companies would have to be insane to sit on a cure for cancer. The reason they don't have one is that it's incredibly hard to find one. Mostly what they get are ones like this, that just hope to buy the patient some time, and hopefully improve their comfort. By the time you're trying out advanced therapies like this, you're usually terminal anyways.
 
2013-02-11 10:07:50 AM

LincolnLogolas: HotWingAgenda: I was puzzled by the reference to it as a vaccine.  It's clearly not a preventative shot, more like a treatment for an existing cancer.

It's because the virus they used: They mutated the Vaccinia virus (thus named because it was used to vaccinate against Smallpox).


Actually, TFA states that the altered Vaccinia prompts the body's immune system into attacking the tumors. That makes it a vaccine.
 
2013-02-11 10:13:04 AM
Yeah, right. Like they'd ever cure cancer.

At best, they'll find an expensive way for everyone to live with it. You kow -- so you have to keep going back for more treatments.

/Insert picture of Chris Rock here.
 
2013-02-11 10:20:00 AM

J. Frank Parnell: Actually, reading it again, it seems they might have just given one dose to the subjects, saw that it was very effective, then never gave them any more, and watched them die.


The Nature Medicine paper says 3 treatments, days 1, 15 and 29.

It's a phase 2 clinical trial, they are testing the effects of dosage on consenting patients. Since it is an exploratory drug with unknown side effects, it is highly regulated. They can't just keep administering the drug over and over again at will. The idea is to see if it works, and the good news is that it appears to. There is very little that can be done with late stage metastatic cancers, so whether or not you agree with modern medicine, it is a big step.

If continued usage of it is required, it's still just a treatment they'll milk people for, instead of a one time deal.

Yes, a therapeutic vaccine is meant for patients with an existing condition, so it is not a one time vaccine that can prevent getting cancer. It is a treatment, which in this case happens to use a vaccine virus, that needs to be administered more than once. This wikipedia article may be of interest: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer_vaccine
 
2013-02-11 10:22:13 AM
That stuff causes more cancer than a cell phone in a hot spot.  I'm holding off for the non-GMO version.
 
2013-02-11 10:29:02 AM

Stone Meadow: LincolnLogolas: HotWingAgenda: I was puzzled by the reference to it as a vaccine.  It's clearly not a preventative shot, more like a treatment for an existing cancer.

It's because the virus they used: They mutated the Vaccinia virus (thus named because it was used to vaccinate against Smallpox).

Actually, TFA states that the altered Vaccinia prompts the body's immune system into attacking the tumors. That makes it a vaccine.


Wikipedia: "Vaccines may be prophylactic (example: to prevent or ameliorate the effects of a future infection by any natural or "wild" pathogen), or therapeutic (e.g. vaccines against cancer are also being investigated; see cancer vaccine). [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaccine]

This is a therapeutic vaccine.
 
2013-02-11 10:50:47 AM

BenJammin: Still,  no cure for stupidity.


This! Until my stupidty is cured I don't care about anything else!
 
2013-02-11 11:02:26 AM

fusillade762: [www.movie-page.com image 442x323]

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That movie scared the ever-loving shiat out of me as a kid. Definitely a sleeper for the gore/horror factor
 
2013-02-11 11:27:23 AM

neversubmit: BenJammin: Still,  no cure for stupidity.

This! Until my stupidty is cured I don't care about anything else!


I clicked "Smart"

Did that help?
 
2013-02-11 11:38:11 AM

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Still no cure for virus


spectaclesport.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-11 11:39:14 AM

J. Frank Parnell: Fano: But saying that you don't need anything else in the fight against cancer is folly

What you definitely don't need is radiation and chemo, that much is certain. Radiation causes cancer, and studies are now showing chemo makes many cancers stronger. Even if those 'cures' manage to destroy the tumors they also damage everything else, like your immune system, and leave you with an extremely high chance to get cancer again because they are themselves highly carcinogenic.

What i was trying to get at earlier is mainly just that drug companies have no interest in cures because they don't make as much money as treatments, and that's what this sounds a bit like. Any potential cures they find are buried under years of tests while other dubious drugs are rushed to market and later found to be very dangerous.

/actually, just forget all that
//dioxins and radiation for you


You should stick to the Alien Visitation stuff. Less derpy.
 
2013-02-11 11:40:36 AM

GranoblasticMan: neversubmit: BenJammin: Still,  no cure for stupidity.

This! Until my stupidty is cured I don't care about anything else!

I clicked "Smart"

Did that help?


Maybe it takes awhile? I'll keep my eyes crossed and we'll see what happens.
 
2013-02-11 11:46:35 AM

neversubmit: GranoblasticMan: neversubmit: BenJammin: Still,  no cure for stupidity.

This! Until my stupidty is cured I don't care about anything else!

I clicked "Smart"

Did that help?

Maybe it takes awhile? I'll keep my eyes crossed and we'll see what happens.


We're looking at you.
 
2013-02-11 12:57:04 PM

Stone Meadow: LincolnLogolas: HotWingAgenda: I was puzzled by the reference to it as a vaccine.  It's clearly not a preventative shot, more like a treatment for an existing cancer.

It's because the virus they used: They mutated the Vaccinia virus (thus named because it was used to vaccinate against Smallpox).

Actually, TFA states that the altered Vaccinia prompts the body's immune system into attacking the tumors. That makes it a vaccine.


Not through antibodies though.  The normal bodily reaction to a cell that's been hijacked by a virus is to kill the cell.  Whether that cell should be irrelevant.  You would, presumably, eventually get an antibody to the virus, which would actually make the treatment less effective, as if the virus targets cancer cells specifically, you wouldn't want your immune system to attack the virus openly.

I'm not sure how they can target cancer cells specifically.  Cancer is reproduction gone haywire.  They don't even bother to make they have all their chromosomes before splitting.  I'd imagine it would be hard to create a simple model to target.
 
2013-02-11 12:58:33 PM

Mytch: Stone Meadow: LincolnLogolas: HotWingAgenda: I was puzzled by the reference to it as a vaccine.  It's clearly not a preventative shot, more like a treatment for an existing cancer.

It's because the virus they used: They mutated the Vaccinia virus (thus named because it was used to vaccinate against Smallpox).

Actually, TFA states that the altered Vaccinia prompts the body's immune system into attacking the tumors. That makes it a vaccine.

Not through antibodies though.  The normal bodily reaction to a cell that's been hijacked by a virus is to kill the cell.  Whether that cell should be irrelevant.  You would, presumably, eventually get an antibody to the virus, which would actually make the treatment less effective, as if the virus targets cancer cells specifically, you wouldn't want your immune system to attack the virus openly.

I'm not sure how they can target cancer cells specifically.  Cancer is reproduction gone haywire.  They don't even bother to make they have all their chromosomes before splitting.  I'd imagine it would be hard to create a simple model to target.


Blasted distracting office.
Should be:
Whether that cell is cancerous or not should be irrelevant.
 
2013-02-11 01:14:35 PM

TheGogmagog: [spectaclesport.files.wordpress.com image 420x273]


images.sodahead.com What a replicating cure might look like.
 
2013-02-11 02:36:17 PM
I, for one, welcome our new virus overlords.
 
2013-02-11 03:07:24 PM

anfrind: It's not a movie, it's a novella.
[www.orbitshortfiction.com image 378x500]


Oh lordy, she's such a terrible writer.
 
2013-02-12 03:55:47 PM

Fano: ciberido: Fano: BTW, ciberido, would you be surprised I have you favorites?

Slightly.  I'm not very good at predicting what others do or will think of me.

I think from one of the recent threads you probably thought ill of me, but I've thought positively of you over the years.


Well... let's just say I've been dealing with some real-life frustration over the past few moths, and it's made me more harsh and belligerent on Fark that I want to be.  I'm trying turn over a new leaf, so to speak, to relax and see Fark more as a place to have fun and share jokes than a battleground.

So if you (or anyone else on Fark) have seen me act particularly confrontational or express a lot of scorn or anger in the past few months, take into account that at least some of it is real-life stuff that's kind of bled over.
 
2013-02-13 07:05:12 PM

ciberido: Well... let's just say I've been dealing with some real-life frustration over the past few moths, and it's made me more harsh and belligerent on Fark that I want to be. I'm trying turn over a new leaf, so to speak, to relax and see Fark more as a place to have fun and share jokes than a battleground.


I've read a lot of your posts for a long time and have found you to be thoughtful, funny and generally on the right side of whatever battle-ground issues come up -and it's natural to get angry every once in a while -I've definitely gotten caught up in it too. Whatever's causing you stress in real life, I hope it blows over.
 
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