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(Gizmodo)   The manhunt for ex-LAPD cop Christopher Dorner just got real: use of drones has been authorized, the first time they have been used against a US citizen within America's borders   (gizmodo.com) divider line 600
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2013-02-10 02:18:53 PM  
i1182.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-10 02:20:04 PM  
Why are people so much more worried about drones than say, helicopters?
 
2013-02-10 02:22:25 PM  
Do people understand that drones are not all little flying guns?  Do we need to have this talk?
 
2013-02-10 02:23:03 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Why are people so much more worried about drones than say, helicopters?


Because Obama!!!

I actually have no idea. Maybe it's the creepiness of technology or something. If anything, when it comes to firepower, you'd think they'd be more scared of helicopters.
 
2013-02-10 02:25:38 PM  
They used drones to catch a guy in North Dakota a couple months ago.
 
2013-02-10 02:25:57 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Why are people so much more worried about drones than say, helicopters?


Because they don't know the difference between real life and The Terminator movies.
 
2013-02-10 02:33:21 PM  
If they fire on him with a drone, a whole bunch of people who claimed that would never happen in the US after I clearly laid out how the precedent had been established need to stand up and eat shiat.
 
2013-02-10 02:35:58 PM  

GAT_00: If they fire on him with a drone, a whole bunch of people who claimed that would never happen in the US after I clearly laid out how the precedent had been established need to stand up and eat shiat.



If they shot him from a helicopter, in what way would that be substantively different?

/I am not one of those who claimed it can't happen here. I'm sure you're right, it can and will.
 
2013-02-10 02:37:27 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Why are people so much more worried about drones than say, helicopters?


All that night, I heard the bird circle
while I was eating fish and watching Urkel
 
2013-02-10 02:37:44 PM  
Citizens, make it easy on yourself and just give up any expectation of privacy.
The drones / helicopters you see are for your protection.
Learn to embrace them.
 
2013-02-10 02:42:12 PM  
Sadly it wouldn't really surprise me if they sent armed drones after this guy.  Even though he hasn't been convicted of anything, the LAPD & other  area forces seem to be doing everything in their power NOT to take him alive.

This would be a really bad weekend to be out camping in those mountains, especially if they start dropping Hellfires on every man sized heat source they find.

/he's probably already back in LA watching the news & laughing his ass off
//he had four years to plan this.  It wouldn't be hard at all to have a 2nd vehicle up there that isn't registered to him to drive back to the city after he torched his truck.
 
2013-02-10 02:45:03 PM  
Wonder if he has one of these
www.secretsofthefed.com
 
2013-02-10 02:48:01 PM  

GAT_00: If they fire on him with a drone, a whole bunch of people who claimed that would never happen in the US after I clearly laid out how the precedent had been established need to stand up and eat shiat.


They'd likely sooner fire on a school bus "accidentally" given how well they've managed this (and almost everything else) so far.
 
2013-02-10 02:50:02 PM  

violentsalvation: They used drones to catch a guy in North Dakota a couple months ago.


Don't try to distract us with facts.
 
2013-02-10 02:52:02 PM  
I hope the drones are better at distinguishing black men from Hispanic women than the LAPD are.
 
2013-02-10 02:52:54 PM  

FloydA: GAT_00: If they fire on him with a drone, a whole bunch of people who claimed that would never happen in the US after I clearly laid out how the precedent had been established need to stand up and eat shiat.


If they shot him from a helicopter, in what way would that be substantively different?

/I am not one of those who claimed it can't happen here. I'm sure you're right, it can and will.


And about as often as people get shot from helicopters.

Mainly in the movies.
 
2013-02-10 02:53:03 PM  

Mentat: I hope the drones are better at distinguishing black men from Hispanic women than the LAPD are.


Is there any possibility that they aren't?
 
2013-02-10 02:54:51 PM  

FloydA: Mentat: I hope the drones are better at distinguishing black men from Hispanic women than the LAPD are.

Is there any possibility that they aren't?


Will they be piloted by the LAPD?
 
2013-02-10 02:54:55 PM  
Spiffy
 
2013-02-10 02:55:33 PM  
Reconnaissance drones. They're saving the kill shot for a human.
 
2013-02-10 02:55:59 PM  
Wake me when the drones are self aware.
 
2013-02-10 02:57:35 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: FloydA: GAT_00: If they fire on him with a drone, a whole bunch of people who claimed that would never happen in the US after I clearly laid out how the precedent had been established need to stand up and eat shiat.


If they shot him from a helicopter, in what way would that be substantively different?

/I am not one of those who claimed it can't happen here. I'm sure you're right, it can and will.

And about as often as people get shot from helicopters.

Mainly in the movies.


Or pretty frequently if you're in Texas.
 
2013-02-10 03:00:51 PM  
If I remember thsi plot, the next step would be a "warning shot" with a nuclear-tipped weapon controlled by Dormer. Someone in the next episode or so, David Krumhotlz and Nathan Fillon will release electroniic records to bring down the LAPD.

/and I think Jimmy Stewart collapses on the Senate floor from exhaustion
 
2013-02-10 03:02:03 PM  

OtherLittleGuy: If I remember thsi plot, the next step would be a "warning shot" with a nuclear-tipped weapon controlled by Dormer. Someone in the next episode or so, David Krumhotlz and Nathan Fillon will release electroniic records to bring down the LAPD.

/and I think Jimmy Stewart collapses on the Senate floor from exhaustion


"And Leon keeps getting bigger!"
 
2013-02-10 03:02:54 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Why are people so much more worried about drones than say, helicopters?


Helicopters and crew and maintenance are expensive.

Drones are cheap and you can field dozens for the price of one helicopter.

Helicopters don't regularly patrol for people who let their lawn grow too tall or for other ordinance violations, Drones are cheap enough that lawn or ordinance patrols are right around the corner.

Will you be taking the neo-con position of "If you have nothing to hide just bend over and help prove us wrong by letting us search for whatever"?
 
2013-02-10 03:04:52 PM  

Giltric: Helicopters don't regularly patrol for people who let their lawn grow too tall or for other ordinance violations, Drones are cheap enough that lawn or ordinance patrols are right around the corner.

Will you be taking the neo-con position of "If you have nothing to hide just bend over and help prove us wrong by letting us search for whatever"?


I'm still trying to figure out how surveillance from the air is something new and/or unconstitutional. Do you have an expected right to privacy if you're standing out on a public street?
 
2013-02-10 03:06:54 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Why are people so much more worried about drones than say, helicopters?


Because they are start of a trend of cheap, ubiquitous surveillance of yet another kind.
 
2013-02-10 03:09:49 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Giltric: Helicopters don't regularly patrol for people who let their lawn grow too tall or for other ordinance violations, Drones are cheap enough that lawn or ordinance patrols are right around the corner.

Will you be taking the neo-con position of "If you have nothing to hide just bend over and help prove us wrong by letting us search for whatever"?

I'm still trying to figure out how surveillance from the air is something new and/or unconstitutional. Do you have an expected right to privacy if you're standing out on a public street?


Can they see over your fence into your backyard from the street? Can they rent a double decker bus that allows them to see over your fence into your backyard? Can they use a dog walking down the street hoping to get a hit on the odor of marijuana or other contraband? Can they use hyper-sensitive electronic sensor even more accurate than a dog to patrol the street hoping to get a hit on the odor of contraband?
 
2013-02-10 03:12:13 PM  

Giltric: Can they see over your fence into your backyard from the street? Can they rent a double decker bus that allows them to see over your fence into your backyard? Can they use a dog walking down the street hoping to get a hit on the odor of marijuana or other contraband? Can they use hyper-sensitive electronic sensor even more accurate than a dog to patrol the street hoping to get a hit on the odor of contraband?


Man, are you paranoid. Seriously. Get help.
 
2013-02-10 03:15:02 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Why are people so much more worried about drones than say, helicopters?


we're only worried about them when they get used against us.  we're good with using 'em against other countries or occupied territories.
 
2013-02-10 03:15:32 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I'm still trying to figure out how surveillance from the air is something new and/or unconstitutional. Do you have an expected right to privacy if you're standing out on a public street?


no, but you might if you're standing in a fenced in yard.
Not sure about the legalities about that though.
 
2013-02-10 03:17:42 PM  
Having flown Preds and Reapers for the last 7 years, I can pretty much guarantee that the LAPD/Border Patrol version of the aircraft don't have the missile rails, software or missiles loaded.  The Hellfire is a pretty expensive weapon and the limitations and requirements to employ it make it too risky in a non-combat area.
 
2013-02-10 03:18:08 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Giltric: Can they see over your fence into your backyard from the street? Can they rent a double decker bus that allows them to see over your fence into your backyard? Can they use a dog walking down the street hoping to get a hit on the odor of marijuana or other contraband? Can they use hyper-sensitive electronic sensor even more accurate than a dog to patrol the street hoping to get a hit on the odor of contraband?

Man, are you paranoid. Seriously. Get help.


So you are just here to troll?

Can a police officer walk up to your house and look through the windows?
 
2013-02-10 03:19:23 PM  

Giltric: cameroncrazy1984: Giltric: Can they see over your fence into your backyard from the street? Can they rent a double decker bus that allows them to see over your fence into your backyard? Can they use a dog walking down the street hoping to get a hit on the odor of marijuana or other contraband? Can they use hyper-sensitive electronic sensor even more accurate than a dog to patrol the street hoping to get a hit on the odor of contraband?

Man, are you paranoid. Seriously. Get help.

So you are just here to troll?

Can a police officer walk up to your house and look through the windows?


Sure, but you'd be retarded if you had the blinds open.
 
2013-02-10 03:21:15 PM  

knbber2: Having flown Preds and Reapers for the last 7 years, I can pretty much guarantee that the LAPD/Border Patrol version of the aircraft don't have the missile rails, software or missiles loaded.  The Hellfire is a pretty expensive weapon and the limitations and requirements to employ it make it too risky in a non-combat area.


Oh great, now the keyboard warriors are weighing in.

/jk, and Thank You.
 
2013-02-10 03:21:26 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Giltric: cameroncrazy1984: Giltric: Can they see over your fence into your backyard from the street? Can they rent a double decker bus that allows them to see over your fence into your backyard? Can they use a dog walking down the street hoping to get a hit on the odor of marijuana or other contraband? Can they use hyper-sensitive electronic sensor even more accurate than a dog to patrol the street hoping to get a hit on the odor of contraband?

Man, are you paranoid. Seriously. Get help.

So you are just here to troll?

Can a police officer walk up to your house and look through the windows?

Sure, but you'd be retarded if you had the blinds open.


So you have the blinds down?

What are you trying to hide?
 
2013-02-10 03:21:30 PM  
Seriously, you guys watch too many movies.
 
2013-02-10 03:25:09 PM  

Kyosuke: Oh great, now the keyboard warriors are weighing in.

/jk, and Thank You.


It's a bit more complex than just a keyboard, but you are welcome.
 
2013-02-10 03:26:41 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Seriously, you guys watch too many movies.


And you're willing to excuse anything as long as a Democrat is President.
 
2013-02-10 03:29:48 PM  

Giltric: So you have the blinds down?

What are you trying to hide?


I don't want you to get jealous when I walk around the house naked.
 
2013-02-10 03:30:51 PM  

GAT_00: cameroncrazy1984: Seriously, you guys watch too many movies.

And you're willing to excuse anything as long as a Democrat is President.


Yes, I'm willing to excuse you being afraid of nothing.
 
2013-02-10 03:35:22 PM  

This About That: cameroncrazy1984: Why are people so much more worried about drones than say, helicopters?

Because they are start of a trend of cheap, ubiquitous surveillance of yet another kind.


Even the simple ones aren't cheap, and it may be a long time until they are, if ever. The main advantage for police or military is if they get shot down, you just lose the plane, not the pilot and/or passengers. It's sensible to think about the subject and come to some agreement as to when and where drones are appropriate, but the subject is surrounded by hysteria.
 
2013-02-10 03:37:42 PM  

JerseyTim: Wake me when the drones are self aware.


i76.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-10 03:37:53 PM  
My guess is this Dorner guy is dead already, suicide.
 
2013-02-10 03:38:32 PM  

Frank N Stein: Wonder if he has one of these
[www.secretsofthefed.com image 850x425]


A half naked chick in a hood?
 
2013-02-10 03:40:00 PM  

St_Francis_P: This About That: cameroncrazy1984: Why are people so much more worried about drones than say, helicopters?

Because they are start of a trend of cheap, ubiquitous surveillance of yet another kind.

Even the simple ones aren't cheap, and it may be a long time until they are, if ever. The main advantage for police or military is if they get shot down, you just lose the plane, not the pilot and/or passengers. It's sensible to think about the subject and come to some agreement as to when and where drones are appropriate, but the subject is surrounded by hysteria.


And the hysteria is what makes people like me think there must be something good about it.
 
2013-02-10 03:40:02 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Giltric: Helicopters don't regularly patrol for people who let their lawn grow too tall or for other ordinance violations, Drones are cheap enough that lawn or ordinance patrols are right around the corner.

Will you be taking the neo-con position of "If you have nothing to hide just bend over and help prove us wrong by letting us search for whatever"?

I'm still trying to figure out how surveillance from the air is something new and/or unconstitutional. Do you have an expected right to privacy if you're standing out on a public street?


Do you have one if you work in your own backyard behind a privacy fence?
 
2013-02-10 03:43:29 PM  
imgs.xkcd.com
 
2013-02-10 03:44:14 PM  
According to the Express, Dorner is now a target for drones, among the first ever on U.S. soil.

i878.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-10 03:44:48 PM  

Giltric: Helicopters and crew and maintenance are expensive.

Drones are cheap and you can field dozens for the price of one helicopter.


So... cutting government spending?
 
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