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(Guardian)   Air Force vet lived overseas, wanted to fly to US to see ill mother. Couldn't fly, on no-fly list. Then taken off list. Flies home. Now wants to return to job overseas. Obvious what happens next   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 128
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2013-02-10 01:40:15 PM
He fixes the cable?
 
2013-02-10 02:02:22 PM
This no-fly shiat needs to go to the Supreme Court. Then we can find out once and for all just how much freedom we really have to travel to and from The Land Of The Free™
 
2013-02-10 02:27:12 PM
Travel by car to Mexico and fly out from there?
 
2013-02-10 03:11:29 PM
A Muslim from Oklahoma. Sounds suspicious to me.
 
2013-02-10 03:47:17 PM

King Something: He fixes the cable?


Don't be fatuous.
 
2013-02-10 04:14:02 PM

NutWrench: This no-fly shiat needs to go to the Supreme Court. Then we can find out once and for all just how much freedom we really have to travel to and from The Land Of The Free™


I have little faith in the Court doing the right thing.
 
2013-02-10 05:43:50 PM
If you look like you'll commit a crime, guess who won't be allowed to fly.

/I kid, but now I feel dirty
//actually have a reason for this or let him fly
///What bothers me more is his kids may not be allowed to see grandma
 
2013-02-10 06:09:33 PM

davidphogan: NutWrench: This no-fly shiat needs to go to the Supreme Court. Then we can find out once and for all just how much freedom we really have to travel to and from The Land Of The Free™

I have little faith in the Court doing the right thing.


It seems we are free to travel but using most publicly available forms of transportation is a privilege.
 
2013-02-10 06:09:35 PM
The terrorists win?
 
2013-02-10 06:10:42 PM
Go to Canada fly to where ever.
 
2013-02-10 06:11:17 PM

Arthur Jumbles: Travel by car to Mexico and fly out from there?


Border Patrol would stop him at the border and question him for 12 hours as to why he didn't simply fly back to Quatar. And then they would notify the Mexican government that a person on a no-fly list was seeking to enter Mexico.
 
2013-02-10 06:12:35 PM
It makes sense to keep out potential terrorists and the socially regressive, but what's the point of not letting him go home?
 
2013-02-10 06:13:17 PM

mrlewish: Go to Canada fly to where ever.


Ha! That's just what they want him to do! He'll get to that magical area 100 miles from the border where the 4th amendment doesn't apply and they'll be able to search him without a warrant and get enough information to arrest him. Ingenious, really.
 
2013-02-10 06:14:23 PM
Land of the...free?

facepalm.jpg
 
2013-02-10 06:14:27 PM

davidphogan: NutWrench: This no-fly shiat needs to go to the Supreme Court. Then we can find out once and for all just how much freedom we really have to travel to and from The Land Of The Free™

I have little faith in the Court doing the right thing.


They picked the president fairly 12 years ago and look how great that turned out.
 
2013-02-10 06:14:50 PM
www.fishandcheese.com
Let's see the list.
 
2013-02-10 06:15:19 PM

JRoo: The terrorists win?


Unfortunately yes. We respond to the terrorist threat of "takin' our freedoms" by taking away our freedoms first ourselves.
 
2013-02-10 06:19:10 PM

Erebus1954: It seems we are free to travel but using most publicly available forms of transportation is a privilege.


Surprisingly, conservatives are OK with the federal government telling people where they can and can't go as long as it's one of "those people".
 
2013-02-10 06:20:03 PM

This About That: A Muslim from Oklahoma. Sounds suspicious to me.


I popped in here to that.
 
2013-02-10 06:21:41 PM
i blame the very mother he went to visit for giving him a mooslim name

IRONIC
 
2013-02-10 06:23:47 PM
Thank Jesus he was at least able to come and visit his seriously ill mother.
 
2013-02-10 06:25:58 PM
drone attack?
 
2013-02-10 06:26:38 PM
I have to admit that when the guy in the article put forth the theory that this was someone in the FBI looking to get a little payback for embarrassing the department, there was an odd echo of credibility to it.
 
2013-02-10 06:27:08 PM

MrHappyRotter: Thank Jesus he was at least able to come and visit his seriously ill mother.


Jesus? You think that lazy hippie could make something like this happen? Clearly this is the work of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
 
2013-02-10 06:27:56 PM

ClavellBCMI: Arthur Jumbles: Travel by car to Mexico and fly out from there?

Border Patrol would stop him at the border and question him for 12 hours as to why he didn't simply fly back to Quatar. And then they would notify the Mexican government that a person on a no-fly list was seeking to enter Mexico.


Do you know how many people you have to talk to when you cross the border heading south?

Zero.

The Border Patrol only cares if you're heading INTO the US. There is one sad and lonely guard on the Mexican side that only cares if you're bringing high end consumer electronics in.

/may not apply during manhunts for fugitive ex-LAPD officers.
 
2013-02-10 06:28:41 PM
and people wonder why libertarians don't trust the government....
 
2013-02-10 06:29:33 PM

fknra: and people wonder why libertarians don't trust the government....


And people wonder why "libertarians" vote Republican
 
2013-02-10 06:31:01 PM
I dunno. That this is being reported in The Guardian and the timeline involves CAIR makes me think there might be a little more to the story.
 
2013-02-10 06:31:13 PM
www.safety4sea.com
 
2013-02-10 06:31:14 PM
I know we all hate the TSA and no-fly lists and these stories seemingly pop up once a week. Usually it's an 8 year old who has the same initials as a wanted Al-qaeda leader or something dumb.

But I'm not going to jump to crazy conclusions here. Maybe he's on the list for a non-total-BS reason. I'm not saying he's some terrorist agent or something but perhaps his job in Qatar is linked to some shady stuff. Who knows?
 
2013-02-10 06:31:37 PM

kombat_unit: I popped in here to that.


The whole thing?
 
2013-02-10 06:34:55 PM

LordOfThePings: kombat_unit: I popped in here to that.

The whole thing?


If you stuff out, sometimes people will inappropriate stuff in its place.  It posts more funny.
 
2013-02-10 06:35:15 PM

ClavellBCMI: Arthur Jumbles: Travel by car to Mexico and fly out from there?

Border Patrol would stop him at the border and question him for 12 hours as to why he didn't simply fly back to Quatar. And then they would notify the Mexican government that a person on a no-fly list was seeking to enter Mexico.


Have you ever crossed the border into Mexico?  I admit it's been 3 or 4 years since I walked across but, the last time I went to Mexico, there were no government agents on either side even looking at people going into Mexico.  Every time I've walked, ridden, or driven across the border from the US into Mexico, I barely slowed down, and I've never been interrogated or had to identify myself in any way.
 
2013-02-10 06:35:22 PM
This is bullshiat, no charges, no investigation, just saying "no, you can't fly" for no particular reason. Because they can, and fark you, fark your citizens rights, we can do what we want and we don't have to tell you why. Your constitutional rights? Your bill of rights? fark them, we do what we want. You don't have "rights" you have what they allow you to have. Same thing we did with the Japanese Americans at the start of WWII, we threw them in prison for nothing more than being Japanese. No charges, just yanked out of their homes and put in prison for no reason. We did it because we can. Ill just leave this here.

Link
 
2013-02-10 06:35:35 PM

fknra: and people wonder why libertarians don't trust the government....


?
 
2013-02-10 06:40:15 PM
He served honorably in the Air Force... and then immediately left the country to permanently live in the Middle East?  That article was tl;dr, but hopefully there was an explanation somewhere in that limey tirade.  The government would have freaked if someone in the Air Force in the 70's or 80's had immediately moved to Russia after leaving the service.
 
2013-02-10 06:40:49 PM
He needs a drone strike.

/on the TSA
 
2013-02-10 06:40:53 PM

jdamaral: But I'm not going to jump to crazy conclusions here. Maybe he's on the list for a non-total-BS reason. I'm not saying he's some terrorist agent or something but perhaps his job in Qatar is linked to some shady stuff. Who knows?

The only crazy conclusion is the idea this is in any way justified. As the article noted,

But what's particularly infuriating here is that, if they had evidence that Long has done anything wrong, they easily could have arrested him at any point over the last ten weeks when he was in the US. The reality is that they could have arrested him at any time over the last decade because he has lived in three countries with highly US-loyal autocracies: Egypt, the UAE and Qatar. But he was never arrested, never charged with anything - just denied the basic right to travel.

 
2013-02-10 06:45:04 PM
I'm just confused that the government considers this guy such a danger that they want to prevent his ass from  leaving the country?!??For fark's sake, if he so dangerous AND he wants to leave, by all means put him on the next available military transport and get him out.
 
2013-02-10 06:45:21 PM
Rather than applying common sense to the situation, they are all torn up over procedure and rules. Let the guy go home to his family. .

It's just another example of our government overstepping it's constitutional boundaries in the name of "safety". It's bullshiat and we all know it. But too few are willing to speak out against the crazy that comprises our legislative and law enforcement communities.
 
2013-02-10 06:45:36 PM

NutWrench: This no-fly shiat needs to go to the Supreme Court. Then we can find out once and for all just how much freedom we really have to travel to and from The Land Of The Free™


The very fact that U.S. citizens can be arbitrarily placed on a no-fly list, without due process or even a charge, is appalling.
 
2013-02-10 06:47:14 PM

Krieghund: ClavellBCMI: Arthur Jumbles: Travel by car to Mexico and fly out from there?

Border Patrol would stop him at the border and question him for 12 hours as to why he didn't simply fly back to Quatar. And then they would notify the Mexican government that a person on a no-fly list was seeking to enter Mexico.

Do you know how many people you have to talk to when you cross the border heading south?

Zero.

The Border Patrol only cares if you're heading INTO the US. There is one sad and lonely guard on the Mexican side that only cares if you're bringing high end consumer electronics in.

/may not apply during manhunts for fugitive ex-LAPD officers.


Csb: They used to care about people bringing kids in without birth certificates or some kind of proof of parentage. I know because my dad got hassled for bringing us in by air without our birth certificates. They obviously didn't care that much, because they let us in anyway. This was back in the 70s, so things may have changed.
 
2013-02-10 06:47:17 PM

MrHappyRotter: If you stuff out, sometimes people will inappropriate stuff in its place.  It posts more funny.


I can't help but when people verbs.
 
2013-02-10 06:48:10 PM
I continue not to understand why so many Americans seem to be OK with the "no-fly list". It is just as the article says, extra-judicial punishment. The FBI has to provide no proof of wrong doing, they don't have to charge someone with a crime, yet they can restrict their travel.

Why the hell haven't people made a big deal about this? Where are the court cases ruling on the legality of this? Since when can the government act without oversight? And how long are we going to put up with it?
 
2013-02-10 06:52:44 PM

Shahab: I continue not to understand why so many Americans seem to be OK with the "no-fly list". It is just as the article says, extra-judicial punishment. The FBI has to provide no proof of wrong doing, they don't have to charge someone with a crime, yet they can restrict their travel.

Why the hell haven't people made a big deal about this? Where are the court cases ruling on the legality of this? Since when can the government act without oversight? And how long are we going to put up with it?



Because money, lawyers, and retribution.
 
2013-02-10 06:54:32 PM

JesusJuice: It makes sense to keep out potential terrorists and the socially regressive, but what's the point of not letting him go home?


Explain that crap please. Unles yer a Scientologist, you've got no right to use that.
 
2013-02-10 06:58:30 PM

Don't worry though guys, Obama will get right on this. His civil liberties stances have been nothing but refreshing!

FTA:


Use of this repressive tactic has worsened significantly under the Obama administration. Last February, Associated Press


"Worse, the Obama administration 'lowered the bar for being added to the list'. As a result, reported AP, 'now a person doesn't have to be considered only a threat to aviation to be placed on the no-fly list' but can be included if they 'are considered a broader threat to domestic or international security', a vague status determined in the sole and unchecked discretion of unseen DHS bureaucrats."


fark. More of the same.
 
2013-02-10 06:59:03 PM
Why does the TSA hate veterinarians?
 
2013-02-10 07:00:39 PM

jtown: ClavellBCMI: Arthur Jumbles: Travel by car to Mexico and fly out from there?

Border Patrol would stop him at the border and question him for 12 hours as to why he didn't simply fly back to Quatar. And then they would notify the Mexican government that a person on a no-fly list was seeking to enter Mexico.

Have you ever crossed the border into Mexico?  I admit it's been 3 or 4 years since I walked across but, the last time I went to Mexico, there were no government agents on either side even looking at people going into Mexico.  Every time I've walked, ridden, or driven across the border from the US into Mexico, I barely slowed down, and I've never been interrogated or had to identify myself in any way.


Yeah, they have roving CBP squads now.

/got stopped and searched because my truck was dirty.
//think that was how Willie Nelson was busted for pot last year.
 
2013-02-10 07:01:17 PM
What a load of sh*t. Makes me really proud to be an American.

Awww, crap. Am I on some kind'a list now?

Besides some of your lists, I mean. Most of you Farks don't count.
 
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