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(The Hill)   More, More, More: President of the American Federation of Government Employees says a one-percent increase proposal from President Obama is "absolutely unconscionable"   (thehill.com) divider line 92
    More: Obvious, American Federation of Government Employees, President Obama, house oversight committee, cost of living  
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2013-02-10 02:50:11 PM  
How dare workers ask for more money.
 
2013-02-10 03:20:24 PM  

Mentat: How dare workers ask for more money.


They should be grateful they even have a job. If I don't get benefits and more than minimum wage at my job, no one should.

/what some people actually think
 
2013-02-10 04:33:26 PM  
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How do you like it?
How do you like it?
 
2013-02-10 04:41:08 PM  
two years of frozen pay ended by a 1% pay increase... yeah that's pretty bad.
 
2013-02-10 04:51:54 PM  
Well, we're gotten no  pay raises for several years so it's like the new normal.

themindiswatching: They should be grateful they even have a job.


Those people can fark off. I didn't land my job through charity, I didn't buy my degrees online, and I didn't get my experience doing unpaid internships.

I still can't get over people who mindlessly gush "thank you for your service" at me and love hearing about my military experiences but  then all but call me a freeloader when they find out I'm a govie merely supporting my replacements.
 
2013-02-10 05:04:04 PM  
Wait. A union that's against necessary pay raises? Isn't that the whole friggin' point of unions?
 
2013-02-10 05:04:47 PM  

edmo: I didn't land my job through charity


You work for the gubmint, which is every bit as bad as any welfare cheat, illegal immigrant living on foodstamps, or 70 year old grandmother drawing a social security check.
 
2013-02-10 05:04:57 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: [words]


Wait, nevermind. I read the headline wrong. :P Alright, at least that makes sense now.
 
2013-02-10 05:06:08 PM  

dookdookdook: edmo: I didn't land my job through charity

You work for the gubmint, which is every bit as bad as any welfare cheat, illegal immigrant living on foodstamps, or 70 year old grandmother drawing a social security check.


Don't forget those leeches at the VA hospitals.

47%ers all!
 
2013-02-10 05:11:13 PM  

themindiswatching: Mentat: How dare workers ask for more money.

They should be grateful they even have a job. If I don't get benefits and more than minimum wage at my job, no one should.

/what some people actually think


There are times, when you find, lobsters in a bucket can't climb out
Why won't they climb away? Because other lobsters pull them down
 
2013-02-10 05:22:26 PM  
Was this in the midnight hour?
 
2013-02-10 05:25:16 PM  
this sort of issue wouldn't have arisen if we embraced the insights of MODERN MONETARY THEORY. It increases the fiscal space of the sovereign by recognizing that the monetary base is USTS, and that by issuing more USTS we can achieve FULL EMPLOYEMENT with NO COST.
 
2013-02-10 05:25:17 PM  

Arkanaut: Was this in the midnight hour?


Damn you!  Damn you with a Rebel Yell!
 
2013-02-10 05:27:02 PM  
Kind of sad. I went three years without a raise, just got one, about 6%. I'm reasonably happy, look forward to an improving economy and more raises in the future. This 1% raise probably should have come with an apology and a promise that it will be amended once the country's finances are back on an even keel. Even so, there is absolutely nothing preventing an unhappy government worker from seeking employment in the private sector.
 
2013-02-10 05:34:06 PM  

Arkanaut: Was this in the midnight hour?


I can feel their power.
 
2013-02-10 05:35:45 PM  

dookdookdook: edmo: I didn't land my job through charity

You work for the gubmint, which is every bit as bad as any welfare cheat, illegal immigrant living on foodstamps, or 70 year old grandmother drawing a social security check.


Did you know that <i>97%</i> of government workers have a refrigerator? And these people have the nerve to ask for more money!
 
2013-02-10 05:36:27 PM  
97% even
 
2013-02-10 05:39:37 PM  
But don't you dare raise taxes 3% on the top 2%!!
 
2013-02-10 05:39:57 PM  

dookdookdook: edmo: I didn't land my job through charity

You work for the gubmint, which is every bit as bad as any welfare cheat, illegal immigrant living on foodstamps, or 70 year old grandmother drawing a social security check.


10/10.  Well done troll.
 
2013-02-10 05:40:02 PM  
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2013-02-10 05:41:20 PM  
If it's good enough for the teachers, police officers, and fire fighters, it's good enough for other types of government employees (yeah, I know - this is federal and the stuff I cited is state-level stuff - but both types of government have had massive debt/revenue issues for several years now).

Out here, teacher, police, and fire-fighter pay has been frozen for at least three years and they've all had to contribute more to health and retirement. Because they're so greedy, you know, they don't deserve additional anything.

And in the states, the unions have been busted all over the country. Those federal employees are lucky the repubs haven't tried that at the federal level yet. It's coming though, as soon as they take over all three branches.
 
2013-02-10 05:44:39 PM  

Car_Ramrod: themindiswatching: Mentat: How dare workers ask for more money.

They should be grateful they even have a job. If I don't get benefits and more than minimum wage at my job, no one should.

/what some people actually think

There are times, when you find, lobsters in a bucket can't climb out
Why won't they climb away? Because other lobsters pull them down


"She reached down and picked a crab out of a bucket. As it came up it turned out that three more were hanging on to it."
"A crab necklace?" giggled Juliet.
"Oh, that's crabs for you," said Verity, disentangling the ones who had hitched a ride. "Thick as planks, the lot of them. That's why you can keep them in a bucket without a lid. Any that tries to get out gets pulled back. Yes, thick as planks."
....
Crab bucket, thought Glenda as they hurried towards the Night Kitchen. That's how it works. People from the Sisters disapproving when a girl takes the trolley bus. That's crab bucket. Practically everything my mum ever told me, that's crab bucket. Practically everything I've ever told Juliet, that's crab bucket, too. Maybe it's just another word for the Shove. It's so nice and warm on the inside that you forget that there's an outside. The worst of it is, the crab that mostly keeps you down is you... The realization had her mind on fire.
A lot hinges on the fact that, in most circumstances, people are not allowed to hit you with a mallet. They put up all kinds of visible and invisible signs that say 'Do not do this' in the hope that it'll work, but if it doesn't, then they shrug, because there is, really, no mallet at all. Look at Juliet talking to all those nobby ladies. She didn't know that she shouldn't talk to them like that. And it worked! Nobody hit her on the head with a hammer."
-Terry Pratchett's Unseen Academicals
 
2013-02-10 05:48:16 PM  
Wait, you're surprised about this? Obama's a Republican. Seriously, you aren't getting more than 1%.

That said, yes, kick his ass for it.
 
2013-02-10 05:56:30 PM  
And they're talking furloughs too.  22 days worth.  Hooray.
 
2013-02-10 05:56:39 PM  
ate adorable part is that Obama has abandoned us union members. He has abandoned us school teachers. Now the govt union is saying the same thing. I suspect this wont help us, but I'm curious if he will ever experience that strange notion of accountability or if the media will protect him here too.
 
2013-02-10 05:58:47 PM  
edmo:
I still can't get over people who mindlessly gush "thank you for your service" at me and love hearing about my military experiences but  then all but call me a freeloader when they find out I'm a govie merely supporting my replacements.

I spent 6 years active duty and just recently transitioned to federal service.

It's amazing how quickly I went from a self-sacrificing hero to a free loading government douche bag.  I actually just got into a fight last night with a bunch of military officers who complained that their pay was being limited to a 1% pay raise to pay for a 1% pay raise for lazy government employees.  Never mind that our pay has been frozen for years, health care costs have risen and FERS contributions just increased by 2.1% for new employees (myself included) to pay for that lovely 2% payroll tax cut.  Meanwhile, military get free health care, a free pension and make more than their private sector counterparts.  I can't wait until their pay and benefits come under attack and they can feel what it's like.
 
2013-02-10 05:59:28 PM  

clambam: Kind of sad. I went three years without a raise, just got one, about 6%. I'm reasonably happy, look forward to an improving economy and more raises in the future. This 1% raise probably should have come with an apology and a promise that it will be amended once the country's finances are back on an even keel. Even so, there is absolutely nothing preventing an unhappy government worker from seeking employment in the private sector.


Unless you're in the military and are under contract.
 
2013-02-10 06:02:14 PM  

Mentat: How dare workers ask for more money.


When their employer is losing a trillion dollars a year and 1 in 8 of their private sector peers have no job at all?  Yeah, I'd say that is pretty daring.

A skillful negotiator already knows the limits of his opponent.  And unlike the UAW, there will be no rescue if their employer fails.
 
2013-02-10 06:12:45 PM  
Person who's job it is to stick up for government employees sticks up for government employees?

Film at 11, presumably.
 
2013-02-10 06:16:09 PM  
sagharboronline.com

/Getting a real kick out of the headline.
//Was gonna go with an Andrea True Connection reference but went old skewl instead.
 
2013-02-10 06:17:57 PM  
I received a 5% increase at the beginning of the year, which is nice and all, but I need to be better compensated to the tune of at least +50% for my level of work.

oh, pity me.
 
2013-02-10 06:28:46 PM  

Its_A_Tarp: I spent 6 years active duty and just recently transitioned to federal service.

It's amazing how quickly I went from a self-sacrificing hero to a free loading government douche bag.


Isn't it fun? heh...

Meh... Try to max out what you can in the TSP. It's actually a decent plan.
 
2013-02-10 06:31:59 PM  
Compensation is not just salary.  Government employees are free to look elsewhere for work if they think they'll get a better deal.

Almost all of them won't, and there's a reason for that.
 
2013-02-10 06:37:23 PM  

Jeff_Reisberg: this sort of issue wouldn't have arisen if we embraced the insights of MODERN MONETARY THEORY. It increases the fiscal space of the sovereign by recognizing that the monetary base is USTS, and that by issuing more USTS we can achieve FULL EMPLOYEMENT with NO COST.


Please tell me you're on 'shrooms and not simple insane.
 
2013-02-10 06:38:36 PM  

Lsherm: Compensation is not just salary.  Government employees are free to look elsewhere for work if they think they'll get a better deal.

Almost all of them won't, and there's a reason for that.


Many of them live in DC, where the Federal Government is the biggest employer and the cost of living is almost San Francisco/Silicon Valley levels?  And there aren't private sector jobs to  absorb massive amounts of let go Federal employees?
 
2013-02-10 06:52:12 PM  

cchris_39: When their employer is losing a trillion dollars a year and 1 in 8 of their private sector peers have no job at all? Yeah, I'd say that is pretty daring.


If their private sector peers don't have jobs, how is that the fault of government workers?  Why should they automatically have to show solidarity by foregoing raises?  If the private sector refuses to increase hiring, are government workers obligated to keep their wages down until things turn around?
 
2013-02-10 07:01:00 PM  
Most people have had to go withput pay raises. The economy has been sucking. Go get a job in the private sector if you don't like it. Ah right, private sector has shiat benefits...
 
2013-02-10 07:06:24 PM  
If your COLA doesnt keep up with inflation (Like Congress's pay does) then you are working for less money than the day you started.

1% increase after 2 years of 6% inflation IS B/S!
 
2013-02-10 07:10:14 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Jeff_Reisberg: this sort of issue wouldn't have arisen if we embraced the insights of MODERN MONETARY THEORY. It increases the fiscal space of the sovereign by recognizing that the monetary base is USTS, and that by issuing more USTS we can achieve FULL EMPLOYEMENT with NO COST.

Please tell me you're on 'shrooms and not simple insane.


Read about modern monetary theory. It will change your world.
 
2013-02-10 07:17:29 PM  

Godscrack: [img705.imageshack.us image 234x248]

How do you like it?
How do you like it?


We're old.
 
2013-02-10 07:21:13 PM  
I have been working for the Federal Government for the last 4 years.    I regulate private industry as part of my job.  Trust me when I say that you want government regulators on the job.  I wish I could talk about things but I can't.   There is one thing that I have noticed that rarely gets mentioned. My counterparts in the private sector make 2-3 times more than I do.  How do you hire (and keep) smart, capable people to be regulators or any other important position when the private sector can offer them so much more?   I have a good salary, an interesting/rewarding job, and a good life.  I am NOT trying to argue that I should be making twice my salary.  But, to those who think we make too much as gov't employees, what do you want?  To cut our salaries to the point where there is a mass exodus to industry?  That would essentially be a brain and talent drain from the government.  Like it or not, gov't salaries need to be in the ball park of private industry.
 
2013-02-10 07:23:17 PM  

FunkManOnTheKeyboards: I have been working for the Federal Government for the last 4 years.    I regulate private industry as part of my job.  Trust me when I say that you want government regulators on the job.  I wish I could talk about things but I can't.   There is one thing that I have noticed that rarely gets mentioned. My counterparts in the private sector make 2-3 times more than I do.  How do you hire (and keep) smart, capable people to be regulators or any other important position when the private sector can offer them so much more?   I have a good salary, an interesting/rewarding job, and a good life.  I am NOT trying to argue that I should be making twice my salary.  But, to those who think we make too much as gov't employees, what do you want?  To cut our salaries to the point where there is a mass exodus to industry?  That would essentially be a brain and talent drain from the government.  Like it or not, gov't salaries need to be in the ball park of private industry.


LOL
 
2013-02-10 07:24:13 PM  

FunkManOnTheKeyboards: what do you want? To cut our salaries to the point where there is a mass exodus to industry? That would essentially be a brain and talent drain from the government.


My friend, that is EXACTLY what they want.

Then they can drown what remains in the bath tub.
 
2013-02-10 07:29:35 PM  

NewportBarGuy: FunkManOnTheKeyboards: what do you want? To cut our salaries to the point where there is a mass exodus to industry? That would essentially be a brain and talent drain from the government.

My friend, that is EXACTLY what they want.

Then they can drown what remains in the bath tub.


This is probably true.  Unfortunately.  I thing so many people believe that they just need to be left alone and they will be just fine.  Who cares what is being dumped into the rivers and lakes?  A pharma company would NEVER lie about how well their drug works!  The only important thing is smaller government.
 
2013-02-10 07:35:33 PM  

Nome de Plume: FunkManOnTheKeyboards: I have been working for the Federal Government for the last 4 years.    I regulate private industry as part of my job.  Trust me when I say that you want government regulators on the job.  I wish I could talk about things but I can't.   There is one thing that I have noticed that rarely gets mentioned. My counterparts in the private sector make 2-3 times more than I do.  How do you hire (and keep) smart, capable people to be regulators or any other important position when the private sector can offer them so much more?   I have a good salary, an interesting/rewarding job, and a good life.  I am NOT trying to argue that I should be making twice my salary.  But, to those who think we make too much as gov't employees, what do you want?  To cut our salaries to the point where there is a mass exodus to industry?  That would essentially be a brain and talent drain from the government.  Like it or not, gov't salaries need to be in the ball park of private industry.

LOL


What a scathing response.
 
2013-02-10 07:40:00 PM  
My current employer has given me 50% more in one year and I'm 100% more than I was at my last job just over a year go. It's nice to work in a job market in a field with talent that's hard to come by.
 
2013-02-10 07:47:02 PM  

thomps: two years of frozen pay ended by a 1% pay increase... yeah that's pretty bad.


Theyve had pay increases every year. Merit and seniority increases. The no pay increase is a farking lie.
 
2013-02-10 07:47:18 PM  

thomps: two years of frozen pay ended by a 1% pay increase... yeah that's pretty bad.


As a lifelong civil servant, I always got really, really pissed at people who assumed all public employees were paid three times as much as anyone else and that none of them ever put in more than three hours of work per week. And yet, in the private sector, they would complain loudly that they weren't being paid even close to what they were worth. It all comes down to that "I'm a taxpayer and I'm paying your salary" mindset.
 
2013-02-10 07:50:27 PM  

MyRandomName: Merit and seniority increases.


That does not apply to every employees. My, what a broad brush you carry.
 
2013-02-10 07:52:20 PM  
They should be farking grateful they still have jobs.  Where I am we're facing potential furloughs over the looming budget deal.
 
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