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2013-02-10 01:16:52 PM
In other news, the oil industry releases report that rips investigator Michael Mann a new asshole.
 
2013-02-10 02:07:30 PM
Dear everyone involved in this whole sordid affair;

The longer you keep bringing this up, the worse you look.  There is absolutely no chance that public opinion will change and people will suddenly start thinking "hey, covering up child rape isn't so bad."  It is not going to happen.  The sooner you stop calling attention to yourselves, the sooner people will move on to the next scandal and you can begin shifting attention back to football.
 
2013-02-10 02:25:26 PM
JoePe Never Forget

/because his idiot family won't let you
 
2013-02-10 03:29:06 PM
img.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-10 03:31:55 PM
If there's anyone that would be an authority on assholes, it would be the Paternos.
 
2013-02-10 03:45:06 PM
Joe ran cover for a pedo. No amount of reports attacking the people who investigated it will change that fact
 
2013-02-10 03:56:35 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Joe ran cover for a pedo. No amount of reports attacking the people who investigated it will change that fact


I was thinking something similar.  If they're paid to clear Joe's name, I'm sure they can find questions to ask just like Alex Jones finds questions about 9/11 and Sandy Hook.  It doesn't mean they're the right questions to ask.
 
2013-02-10 04:22:04 PM
More sour grapes. All the adults involved in this scandal want you to believe they're victims too.
 
2013-02-10 04:23:09 PM
The report attacks the investigation - justly or not - not the people who conducted it.

/Thornburg has completed his transition to the old man in "American Gothic," I see.
 
2013-02-10 04:25:08 PM
As a member of the public, my opinion has been changed.  I guess covering up child rape isn't so bad after all.  I'm glad they shifted my attention to this, now we can get back to football.
 
2013-02-10 04:26:29 PM
wizbangblog.com

was the Obvious tag unavailable and in a cell next to Jerry ?

/ keep taunting the NCAA dynamite monkey
// because ... becauseJOEPAAAAaaaa
/// *barfs*
 
2013-02-10 04:35:36 PM
i.imgur.com

Yes, nothing like getting people who are heavily invested in a more favorable outcome for Penn State or Paterno to do a supposed 'independent investivation' which is nothing of the sort.

I'm completely surprised to hear the former governor open his statements by saying he "insists on an particular outcome" from his investigators... WTF? I bet he has absolutely no ties to Second Mile, too, right? ::crickets:: right?
 
2013-02-10 04:36:33 PM
investivation? Ouch. Of course, I meant 'investigation'
 
2013-02-10 04:36:45 PM

davidphogan: Peter von Nostrand: Joe ran cover for a pedo. No amount of reports attacking the people who investigated it will change that fact

I was thinking something similar.  If they're paid to clear Joe's name, I'm sure they can find questions to ask just like Alex Jones finds questions about 9/11 and Sandy Hook.  It doesn't mean they're the right questions to ask.


From the Paterno site's bio of their lead investigator Wick Sollers:


Wick Sollers is Managing Partner of the Washington, D.C., office and former Chair of King & Spalding's Special Matters & Governmental Investigations Practice Group. He has extensive experience defending accounting and government contract fraud cases, grand jury practice, criminal environmental, health care and FDA matters, Foreign Corrupt Practices Act cases, internal corporate investigations, representation before congressional committees, federal criminal trials and appeals, and general civil litigation.

Yeah, this guy looks legit. I trust him implicitly.
 
2013-02-10 04:39:14 PM
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-10 04:39:55 PM
In other news, chickens in central PA have been placed on high alert.
 
2013-02-10 04:44:37 PM

ScreamingHangover: davidphogan: Peter von Nostrand: Joe ran cover for a pedo. No amount of reports attacking the people who investigated it will change that fact

I was thinking something similar.  If they're paid to clear Joe's name, I'm sure they can find questions to ask just like Alex Jones finds questions about 9/11 and Sandy Hook.  It doesn't mean they're the right questions to ask.

From the Paterno site's bio of their lead investigator Wick Sollers:


Wick Sollers is Managing Partner of the Washington, D.C., office and former Chair of King & Spalding's Special Matters & Governmental Investigations Practice Group. He has extensive experience defending accounting and government contract fraud cases, grand jury practice, criminal environmental, health care and FDA matters, Foreign Corrupt Practices Act cases, internal corporate investigations, representation before congressional committees, federal criminal trials and appeals, and general civil litigation.
Yeah, this guy looks legit. I trust him implicitly.


Sounds like just the guy to defend the LAPD for shooting up those pickups.

This guy Wick is a close family friend and represented Paterno form the start of this mess...

http://deadspin.com/wick-sollers/

cache.deadspin.com

Nope, no conflict of interest there... completely independent!!
 
2013-02-10 04:52:02 PM
I'm shocked that a report commissioned by the family to clear the family's name was released and it turns out that it tries to clear the family's name.

Next up, George Lucas will be hiring someone to release a report on how episode one is actually awesome.
 
2013-02-10 04:59:03 PM
It's painfully obvious that Paterno was involved in a cover up. Anyone with half a brain can see that. Now, if they could prove that he had no knowledge of what exactly Sandusky was doing (meaning he didn't know that there was sexual assaults of children going on and basically saying he was an unwitting party to the cover up); I would be willing to give Paterno some benefit of the doubt (not a lot, but some). But the report comes off as a full denial of his involvement and knowledge of anything going on and I can not buy that for one second.
 
2013-02-10 05:09:49 PM
Well, I personally refuse to believe anything in this report. After all it was prepared on behalf of Paterno's family by someone they paid! How can you trust that?

I'll stick with the Freeh report that Penn State paid someone to write on their behalf. You can trust them, they'd never cover anything up.
 
2013-02-10 05:11:07 PM
The Paterno family sounds incredibly butthurt.  Perhaps a certain former college assistant football coach who is familiar with that malady can give them some advice.
 
2013-02-10 05:23:46 PM

js34603: I'll stick with the Freeh report that Penn State paid someone to write on their behalf. You can trust them, they'd never cover anything up.


Wouldn't it be in PSU's best interests to release a report that absolved Paterno (and others) from blame and tried to ignore the idea that high-level administrators knew what was going on?

If anything, I would think PSU would love to have a report similar to this one that said Paterno did nothing wrong and he's still a great guy.
 
2013-02-10 05:26:01 PM

js34603: Well, I personally refuse to believe anything in this report. After all it was prepared on behalf of Paterno's family by someone they paid! How can you trust that?

I'll stick with the Freeh report that Penn State paid someone to write on their behalf. You can trust them, they'd never cover anything up.


Reports you commission clear you of wrong doing. Can't explain that!
 
2013-02-10 05:26:19 PM

bulldg4life: I'm shocked that a report commissioned by the family to clear the family's name was released and it turns out that it tries to clear the family's name.

Next up, George Lucas will be hiring someone to release a report on how episode one is actually awesome.


All Red Letter Media videos were flawed in their interpretation of Jar Jar Binks as a man of the people.
 
2013-02-10 05:33:38 PM
www.kslaw.com
You know what would be terrible?

If your photo showed up in Google results for "boy raper" and pedophile and "child molester".

That would be terrible.
 
2013-02-10 05:39:27 PM

js34603: Well, I personally refuse to believe anything in this report. After all it was prepared on behalf of Paterno's family by someone they paid! How can you trust that?
.
I'll stick with the Freeh report that Penn State paid someone to write on their behalf. You can trust them, they'd never cover anything up.


I am not a Paterno defender - just a PSU grad who wants to know what the fark went on up there. But, yeah, no one ever threw a dead guy under the bus before. Because that would like, be a first.

Though I find it hilarious that a former US Atty General is bashing the investigative skills of a former FBI director. He's probably use to the FBI farking up cases for him...
 
2013-02-10 05:48:57 PM

FloydA: Dear everyone involved in this whole sordid affair;

The longer you keep bringing this up, the worse you look.  There is absolutely no chance that public opinion will change and people will suddenly start thinking "hey, covering up child rape isn't so bad."  It is not going to happen.  The sooner you stop calling attention to yourselves, the sooner people will move on to the next scandal and you can begin shifting attention back to football.


This. Paterno's dead, and his complicity is a matter of record. Attempting to smear the living to "protect the reputation" of a dead man is not just stupid, but also makes the dead man's reputation look that much worse as a result. Paterno humped a bunk (pun intended) dealing with Sandusky, as did the rest of the asshats busily trying to "protect the reputation" of themselves, the school, and all that friggin' football money.

Haven't you folks learned yet that "protecting the reputation" is what keeps getting you into deeper and deeper shiat? Shut up, deal with the situation, and move on.
 
2013-02-10 06:04:21 PM

jaytkay: [www.kslaw.com image 145x188]
You know what would be terrible?

If your photo showed up in Google results for "boy raper" and pedophile and "child molester".

That would be terrible.


www.kslaw.com
Boy raper? Pedophile? This guy sure is involved in child rape (investigations)
I suppose it would be correct to say he's good buddies with Jerry Sandusky, if Wick Sollers hung out with Jerry in the Penn State Locker room, but I have no knowledge that actually happened... then again, I have no evidence it didn't.
I could ponder if Wick Sollers likes rhythmic slapping noises, but honestly, I don't care to think of all the children he might have raped.

/Don't want to add fuel to the google fire, dontcha know.
 
2013-02-10 06:18:46 PM
I guess this is the report they discussed on ESPN this morning.  Of course there was no mention anywhere on SportsCenter of who commissioned the report or who investigated, so I can only assume it was the same one.
 
2013-02-10 06:29:31 PM
Paterno is just lucky that he's dead.  Imagine if he had lived and they tossed him in jail for five to ten.
 
2013-02-10 06:38:25 PM
I still think the school should be on the hook for a much larger bill and a TV ban*, BUT should be eligible for non-BCS bowls and lose no scholarships.

*for the regular season, so if they make it to a bowl game, let them be on TV

/this would have punished people who had something to MAKE off of this school's football team, and punished the school/team financially without hammering the players
 
2013-02-10 06:39:08 PM
JoePa went from doing nothing about it after hearing the allegation to actively covering it up.  I'm not sure where the proof was that JoePa did that.

Doing nothing is pretty damnable, but I'd want the record clear that he didn't actively cover it up if I were the Paternos.

My reading of the emails the article linked to showed that the President of the university wasn't comfortable with ratting on Sandusky, and wanted to keep it a private matter.  JoePa asserted that he thought the university handled it.  Seems like there's an agreement between the president and the AD, and JoePa was nominally involved.

There's a world of difference between confused old man who didn't do enough to report allegations and a conspirator covering up and aiding child rape.

And there's nothing worse than your friend who is an attorney trying to clear your name as a child rape enabler.  What a monster.
 
2013-02-10 06:44:58 PM
www.kslaw.com

Who is Wick Sollers?  Why does he like boy rape?  Is that the same as raping a boy?  Or is it molestation either way?  I guess it's anal, anal retentive, to spit pubic hairs, I mean split hairs on the matter.  It's like saying he's into furries, that is a collection of furry people.  Or Beastiality .. you know, sex with animals .  I mean, in the end, it's like saying a bloody cock (rooster) is flying to your anus, i mean uranus , on a double ended dildo broomstick.  It just makes no sense.

/No Seriously, who is Wick Sollers?/
 
2013-02-10 06:49:29 PM
Wait...so are we no longer mad at Joe Paterno for facilitating child rape for over a decade?
 
2013-02-10 06:52:23 PM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: Paterno is just lucky that he's dead.  Imagine if he had lived and they tossed him in jail for five to ten.


That's why Paterno's family keeps trying to retcon his reputation. He's no longer alive, and they can't make bank on what remains of his legacy.
 
2013-02-10 06:55:14 PM
My previous post may have been unclear.

Wick Sollers has not been accused of being a boy raper, child molester or pedophile.

www.kslaw.com
Wick Sollers, not a known boy raper, child molester or pedophile
 
2013-02-10 06:58:36 PM

gimmegimme: Wait...so are we no longer mad at Joe Paterno for facilitating child rape for over a decade?


No, I still want to blow up the stadium. The anger I felt over this was so intense I had to let it go. It was getting to my health. This is starting to boil it back up again.

I wish Anonymous would have gotten involved. It seems like something they'd take up. Deface the PSU football website at a minimum. Cause disorder by threatening more serious consequences unless the season was cancelled. I can't believe those assholes got to make their football money after all of this. For the rest of my life I will discriminate against everything related to that school. I will not hire anyone who went there. I will not be friends with anyone who went there. It might not be fair to everyone, but something has to come in and level some consequences. The student body rioted in support of child molestation. This story came out and the only thing they cared about was "Will this damage our ability to recruit, resulting in us winning fewer football games?" I know a few students went against that, but all of the alumni will try to pretend they were in that small group, so I'm not going to buy it. Brand them.
 
2013-02-10 07:04:03 PM

Tommy Moo: gimmegimme: Wait...so are we no longer mad at Joe Paterno for facilitating child rape for over a decade?

No, I still want to blow up the stadium. The anger I felt over this was so intense I had to let it go. It was getting to my health. This is starting to boil it back up again.

I wish Anonymous would have gotten involved. It seems like something they'd take up. Deface the PSU football website at a minimum. Cause disorder by threatening more serious consequences unless the season was cancelled. I can't believe those assholes got to make their football money after all of this. For the rest of my life I will discriminate against everything related to that school. I will not hire anyone who went there. I will not be friends with anyone who went there. It might not be fair to everyone, but something has to come in and level some consequences. The student body rioted in support of child molestation. This story came out and the only thing they cared about was "Will this damage our ability to recruit, resulting in us winning fewer football games?" I know a few students went against that, but all of the alumni will try to pretend they were in that small group, so I'm not going to buy it. Brand them.


Calm down, friend.  I don't want to put words in the mouths of other farkers, but some seem to be saying that the overwhelming evidence proves that Paterno facilitated child rape for over a decade.  Therefore, Joe Paterno didn't facilitate child rape.
 
2013-02-10 07:12:01 PM

gimmegimme: Wait...so are we no longer mad at Joe Paterno for facilitating child rape for over a decade?


nope, still mad.  fark that guy.  fark penn state for playing football this year.
 
2013-02-10 07:13:18 PM

jaytkay: My previous post may have been unclear.

Wick Sollers has not been accused of being a boy raper, child molester or pedophile.

[www.kslaw.com image 145x188]
Wick Sollers, not a known boy raper, child molester or pedophile


Well, if I was the sort of person who just went along with popular opinion, i'd probably see this picture:

i.imgur.com

and say things about this guy, like:

www.kslaw.com
He's a child molestor, boy raper, sodomizer of young men...

...but I'm sure we all know better, even if there is no evidence either way, except that the van above was obviously photoshopped. If Wick Sollers was driving around in a van that said "Free Candy" we would definitely be suspicious, though. I just think the investigators didn't do a complete enough job to tell me he wasn't driving around in a van that said 'free candy', luring little boys to be butt-raped.
 
2013-02-10 07:14:19 PM

A Fark Handle: nope, still mad. fark that guy. fark penn state for playing football this year.


I'm still annoyed about HOW MUCH PRESS the team got from ESPN particularly. Holy crap, the first few weeks of the football season was all PedoLion, all the time. Turn on the games and it's a Penn State game... Sportscenter is about Penn State.

I mean, yes, it was refreshing to have a few minutes of peace from "is every SEC team better than the Green Bay Packers?" or whatever stupid farking thing ESPN and CBS will try to sell every week, but not for Penn State.
 
2013-02-10 07:16:27 PM
Holy crap, I think I've seen Wick Sollers's sun on Fark.

choosepp.net
 
2013-02-10 07:22:46 PM
Champion of the Sun:
There's a world of difference between confused old man who didn't do enough to report allegations and a conspirator covering up and aiding child rape.

I will not buy the idea that Joe Paterno was a "confused old man" in 2001.
 
2013-02-10 07:29:15 PM

jj325: I will not buy the idea that Joe Paterno was a "confused old man" in 2001.


He was 75 and there was a bunch of pressure on the university to fire him for being out of it.  They had a few bad seasons in a row there, most people attributed it to his old age.

Dude deserved to lose his legacy and all, but I don't see enough evidence to say the guy was part of a conspiracy to cover up the allegations.  His bosses, yeah without a doubt.  And McCreary was young and of a sound mind, why isn't he some huge pariah?  Cause he told his boss about it.  And his boss told his boss.  The main bosses covered it up, which the evidence clearly shows.
 
2013-02-10 07:31:37 PM
A report commissioned by Joe Paterno's family claims the July 2012 Freeh report is a "failure" and was loaded with errors, personal opinions, disputed allegations and bias. The Paterno family report, which is loaded with errors, personal opinions, disputed allegations and bias, targets nearly every conclusion and assertion the Freeh report made about Paterno in the wake of the Jerry Sandusky child sex abuse scandal.
 
2013-02-10 07:34:03 PM

jj325: Champion of the Sun:
There's a world of difference between confused old man who didn't do enough to report allegations and a conspirator covering up and aiding child rape.

I will not buy the idea that Joe Paterno was a "confused old man" in 2001.


If you lived around here you might have.
 
2013-02-10 07:35:06 PM

jj325: I will not buy the idea that Joe Paterno was a "confused old man" in 2001.


I think people overestimate the cognitive faculties of those in their late sixties or seventies anyway, but particularly when it comes to long-time friends. I mean, the guy was freaking "old" when Penn State was an independent.

That being said, I think about the only thing he had to focus on was his legacy, and I think he consciously focused on that more than anything else. I think he may have honestly believed the Sandusky thing was "handled" in the way that major sports programs "handle" things. And that's... bad. Really bad.

/and I don't mean little boys
 
2013-02-10 07:35:31 PM

Champion of the Sun: My reading of the emails the article linked to showed that the President of the university wasn't comfortable with ratting on Sandusky, and wanted to keep it a private matter. JoePa asserted that he thought the university handled it. Seems like there's an agreement between the president and the AD, and JoePa was nominally involved.

There's a world of difference between confused old man who didn't do enough to report allegations and a conspirator covering up and aiding child rape.


How is that not horrific?  When you become aware someone in your employ is raping children, never is there a moment where you hand it off and consider it done, unless that hand-off is to the police and a DA.  There's never a moment where "my boss is handling it" is a valid exit from that situation.  We're not talking about a guy stealing money from the till or sleeping through his shift.

Informing your boss about a child rapist is a courtesy to allow them to mitigate damage to the university in the inevitable and awful aftermath.  It's not an appropriate action to wash your hands of the situation.  How illegal it is I leave to the legal system.  Ethically and morally, he's getting an appropriate shelling.
 
2013-02-10 07:35:52 PM

Champion of the Sun: jj325: I will not buy the idea that Joe Paterno was a "confused old man" in 2001.

He was 75 and there was a bunch of pressure on the university to fire him for being out of it.  They had a few bad seasons in a row there, most people attributed it to his old age.

Dude deserved to lose his legacy and all, but I don't see enough evidence to say the guy was part of a conspiracy to cover up the allegations.  His bosses, yeah without a doubt.  And McCreary was young and of a sound mind, why isn't he some huge pariah?  Cause he told his boss about it.  And his boss told his boss.  The main bosses covered it up, which the evidence clearly shows.


it's pretty clear they joepa among others told sandusky to go rape boys somewhere else.  hence the whole, no more using the facilities.  they knew, they didn't care.  fark 'em.
 
2013-02-10 07:37:14 PM

Champion of the Sun: And McCreary was young and of a sound mind, why isn't he some huge pariah?


To me, he's the one person who had the greatest chance to put a stop to all of this, and he didn't do it.

I mean, AFTER that event, and other events that eventually became more publicized, the administrators and AD and Paterno really, really blew it to a much grander degree. But all of it could have ended in that shower/locker room.
 
2013-02-10 07:40:04 PM

Champion of the Sun: jj325: I will not buy the idea that Joe Paterno was a "confused old man" in 2001.

He was 75 and there was a bunch of pressure on the university to fire him for being out of it.  They had a few bad seasons in a row there, most people attributed it to his old age.

Dude deserved to lose his legacy and all, but I don't see enough evidence to say the guy was part of a conspiracy to cover up the allegations.  His bosses, yeah without a doubt.  And McCreary was young and of a sound mind, why isn't he some huge pariah?  Cause he told his boss about it.  And his boss told his boss.  The main bosses covered it up, which the evidence clearly shows.


JoePa didn't call the police and tell them that Sandusky raped at least one boy in the shower.  He had several years to do so.  That's called a cover-up.
 
2013-02-10 07:42:38 PM

gimmegimme: Calm down, friend. I don't want to put words in the mouths of other farkers, but some seem to be saying that the overwhelming evidence proves that Paterno facilitated child rape for over a decade. Therefore, Joe Paterno didn't facilitate child rape.


i580.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-10 07:43:15 PM

Khellendros: How is that not horrific? When you become aware someone in your employ is raping children, never is there a moment where you hand it off and consider it done, unless that hand-off is to the police and a DA. There's never a moment where "my boss is handling it" is a valid exit from that situation. We're not talking about a guy stealing money from the till or sleeping through his shift.


I don't think that was what he was told though.  Just something amiss in the showers.  And he fulfilled his legal duty to report it to his superiors.  They screwed up.

A Fark Handle: it's pretty clear they joepa among others told sandusky to go rape boys somewhere else. hence the whole, no more using the facilities. they knew, they didn't care. fark 'em.


But he kept using the facilities.  If JoePa knew what was going on and was actively covering it up, pretty foolish to let the guy hang around.

It's a pretty heinous allegation, I imagine it's pretty easy to think there's nothing to it if you report it to your boss, they investigate it, and then the guy is still hanging around.  Probably figured that it was taken care of by the administration and there was nothing to it.  The administration though, they should be crucified.
 
2013-02-10 07:45:14 PM

Tommy Moo: gimmegimme: Calm down, friend. I don't want to put words in the mouths of other farkers, but some seem to be saying that the overwhelming evidence proves that Paterno facilitated child rape for over a decade. Therefore, Joe Paterno didn't facilitate child rape.

[i580.photobucket.com image 197x151]


I was making light of the kind of reasoning used by Penn State/JoePa defenders.
 
2013-02-10 07:49:12 PM

gimmegimme: JoePa didn't call the police and tell them that Sandusky raped at least one boy in the shower. He had several years to do so. That's called a cover-up.


He also didn't tell the police how long Sandusky's cock was either, because he didn't know any of those facts.  He told his bosses, they covered it up.  There's a chance he was in on the cover up, but there's no evidence of that.  A tiny shred of proof should be offered to back up the claim that he was involved in actively covering it up.  What they've shown is that two people did cover it up, and they referenced talking to him about the incident, and not the cover up.  They had two emails regarding the incident as proof of a cover up.  Every other piece of correspondence was lost due to a computer system error.

It's a huge jump in culpability from hearing about suspicious horseplay in the shower to being involved in a conspiracy to cover up child rape.
 
2013-02-10 07:51:08 PM

Champion of the Sun: gimmegimme: JoePa didn't call the police and tell them that Sandusky raped at least one boy in the shower. He had several years to do so. That's called a cover-up.

He also didn't tell the police how long Sandusky's cock was either, because he didn't know any of those facts.  He told his bosses, they covered it up.  There's a chance he was in on the cover up, but there's no evidence of that.  A tiny shred of proof should be offered to back up the claim that he was involved in actively covering it up.  What they've shown is that two people did cover it up, and they referenced talking to him about the incident, and not the cover up.  They had two emails regarding the incident as proof of a cover up.  Every other piece of correspondence was lost due to a computer system error.

It's a huge jump in culpability from hearing about suspicious horseplay in the shower to being involved in a conspiracy to cover up child rape.


You're absolutely right.  If someone I trust tells me they saw my buddy raping a child, I'm immediately going to tell my boss and then completely forget about it after that.

//Come now; McQueary made it clear he saw rape, not just horseplay.
 
2013-02-10 07:52:40 PM
Lets see, the motive behind ordering the Freeh report was so the PSU Board of Trustees could get an idea on how bad of a situation they were in and react accordingly.

This report was tailor made at the request of the Paterno clan to clear Joe's name.

I'm sure that this one is much more accurate and trustworthy.
 
2013-02-10 07:59:21 PM

gimmegimme: Come now; McQueary made it clear he saw rape, not just horseplay.


He made it clear to the grand jury, but not Paterno.  He didn't want to upset Paterno so he told him something of a sexual nature was happening.

He said he did not give Paterno explicit details of what he believed he'd seen, saying he wouldn't have used terms like sodomy or anal intercourse out of respect for the longtime coach.

I don't want to defend JoePa, but labeling him as a conspirator in the cover up of child rape is a big allegation to make when there's no proof he did that.
 
2013-02-10 08:01:14 PM

Champion of the Sun: gimmegimme: Come now; McQueary made it clear he saw rape, not just horseplay.

He made it clear to the grand jury, but not Paterno.  He didn't want to upset Paterno so he told him something of a sexual nature was happening.

He said he did not give Paterno explicit details of what he believed he'd seen, saying he wouldn't have used terms like sodomy or anal intercourse out of respect for the longtime coach.

I don't want to defend JoePa, but labeling him as a conspirator in the cover up of child rape is a big allegation to make when there's no proof he did that.


I guess you're right.  If someone told me that my buddy was doing "something of a sexual nature" to a young boy, I would tell my boss and then completely forget about it without asking another question ever.
 
2013-02-10 08:05:28 PM
Do I understand this correctly? It seems perfectly clear.

A) If I am a fan of a college sports team.

B) Then I must defend those who covered up child-rape and allowed child-rapers to rape more children
 
2013-02-10 08:07:00 PM

ha-ha-guy: Lets see, the motive behind ordering the Freeh report was so the PSU Board of Trustees could get an idea on how bad of a situation they were in and react accordingly.


The trustees accepted it as gospel immediately upon being given it.  They wanted someone to blame besides the institution.  Once they had it in hand and it made the President, AD, and JoePa look bad they had what they wanted.  That's why the PA governor is suing over it.  The trustees wanted the issue over with as quick as possible instead of finding out the faults of the school and the administration.  Once they were given even a semblance of justification, they canned the people named and acted like perfectly innocent parties.  So they had much more reason to lie.

There's no benefit to the Paterno family outside of the restoration of his name.  They didn't stand to lose any money no matter how this turned out.  They're not liable for any civil suits and his pension and contract were ironclad.  I don't think there's any lasting sponsorship money the family would've been interested.  They spent their money to clear his name for no pecuniary gain.
 
2013-02-10 08:11:53 PM

Champion of the Sun: ha-ha-guy: Lets see, the motive behind ordering the Freeh report was so the PSU Board of Trustees could get an idea on how bad of a situation they were in and react accordingly.

The trustees accepted it as gospel immediately upon being given it.  They wanted someone to blame besides the institution.  Once they had it in hand and it made the President, AD, and JoePa look bad they had what they wanted.  That's why the PA governor is suing over it.  The trustees wanted the issue over with as quick as possible instead of finding out the faults of the school and the administration.  Once they were given even a semblance of justification, they canned the people named and acted like perfectly innocent parties.  So they had much more reason to lie.

There's no benefit to the Paterno family outside of the restoration of his name.  They didn't stand to lose any money no matter how this turned out.  They're not liable for any civil suits and his pension and contract were ironclad.  I don't think there's any lasting sponsorship money the family would've been interested.  They spent their money to clear his name for no pecuniary gain.


It doesn't bother you that Sandusky was still hanging out in the luxury boxes until the day the scandal came out?  You don't see that Paterno was part of the reason that Sandusky was still allowed to use the rape showers until the day the scandal came out?  Sure, they had already asked Sandusky to go rape children somewhere else, but still.

Paterno knew that Sandusky had, as you admitted, engaged in at least some kind of sexual act with a child on campus and Paterno knew about the previous allegations.  But Paterno did nothing other than tell his boss.

And aren't you sickened that Paterno was able to make all of those millions even though he was facilitating child rape all those years?  It's not "blood money," but it's something close.
 
2013-02-10 08:15:19 PM
I was going to sub this earlier today, but I decided against it. Glad to see someone someone picked up where my lack of troll work left off.

This family and their "grandfather of morals" is about 25% as disturbing as the child-rape that took place. I certainly hope that the family of this coke-bottled lens wearing POS kid-farking enabler would get raped, dry, balls deep in the ass by the big black cack of justice.

These PSU and Paterno defenders are the sickest brand of human-being.
 
2013-02-10 08:15:23 PM

gimmegimme: And aren't you sickened that Paterno was able to make all of those millions even though he was facilitating child rape all those years? It's not "blood money," but it's something close.


I was going to make a really really really awful joke, but even I'm having second thoughts.
 
2013-02-10 08:15:30 PM

gimmegimme: I guess you're right. If someone told me that my buddy was doing "something of a sexual nature" to a young boy, I would tell my boss and then completely forget about it without asking another question ever.


Yeah, I would report it to the police too.  But as far as I know, neither of us in a 75 year old man who is in charge of a multi-million dollar enterprise.  A decrepit old football coach was told this information, he put it in the hands of his bosses and the campus police.  Should he have called the state police instead?  Is calling 911 better than telling a police chief?

But a grad assistant coach told him an incredible story, he told his bosses, they said they'd investigate it and take care of it.  He told the right people about it.  It wasn't morally enough, probably.  I just don't see how it's cool to say he conspired to cover up child rape based on what he knew about the situation.  His bosses for sure though, they knew more about it and worked to cover it up.

He deserves to lose his legacy, perfectly reasonable to say he didn't do enough.
 
2013-02-10 08:19:36 PM
When did Penn State become a Catholic school?
 
2013-02-10 08:20:42 PM

Champion of the Sun: gimmegimme: I guess you're right. If someone told me that my buddy was doing "something of a sexual nature" to a young boy, I would tell my boss and then completely forget about it without asking another question ever.

Yeah, I would report it to the police too.  But as far as I know, neither of us in a 75 year old man who is in charge of a multi-million dollar enterprise.  A decrepit old football coach was told this information, he put it in the hands of his bosses and the campus police.  Should he have called the state police instead?  Is calling 911 better than telling a police chief?

But a grad assistant coach told him an incredible story, he told his bosses, they said they'd investigate it and take care of it.  He told the right people about it.  It wasn't morally enough, probably.  I just don't see how it's cool to say he conspired to cover up child rape based on what he knew about the situation.  His bosses for sure though, they knew more about it and worked to cover it up.

He deserves to lose his legacy, perfectly reasonable to say he didn't do enough.


Paterno did not call the "police."  He called the guy who orders Post-its for the police.  If someone is breaking into my home, I'm not, for example, going to call the HR rep for the policemen's union.  I'm going to call the police.

And if he knew that Sandusky had raped children and took no action to bring Sandusky to justice (as you concede), how is he not part of the cover-up?
 
2013-02-10 08:21:12 PM

gimmegimme: It doesn't bother you that Sandusky was still hanging out in the luxury boxes until the day the scandal came out? You don't see that Paterno was part of the reason that Sandusky was still allowed to use the rape showers until the day the scandal came out? Sure, they had already asked Sandusky to go rape children somewhere else, but still.

Paterno knew that Sandusky had, as you admitted, engaged in at least some kind of sexual act with a child on campus and Paterno knew about the previous allegations. But Paterno did nothing other than tell his boss.


Someone alleged to Paterno that Sandusky did that.  If he was told the actual details of it, then yes.  But he was told something weird happened.  He told his bosses.  He always maintained that he didn't know what really happened.  It would be a safe assumption on his part to assume it was a misunderstanding after trusting the word of his bosses that they'd investigate it.  The fact that Sandusky was still around probably made Paterno think there was a simple misunderstanding.  If his bosses investigated it, with the university police, and let the guy hang around, safe to assume there was nothing to it.  Mcqueary is the one who actually saw the rape, and he didn't do anything about Sandusky hanging around the program for another decade.  Perhaps his silence reassured Paterno every time he looked crooked at Sandusky?
 
2013-02-10 08:22:09 PM

RDixon: When did Penn State become a Catholic school?


You misunderstand. Only one guy was doing the actual rape. He just did it a lot, apparently.
 
2013-02-10 08:26:11 PM

Champion of the Sun: gimmegimme: It doesn't bother you that Sandusky was still hanging out in the luxury boxes until the day the scandal came out? You don't see that Paterno was part of the reason that Sandusky was still allowed to use the rape showers until the day the scandal came out? Sure, they had already asked Sandusky to go rape children somewhere else, but still.

Paterno knew that Sandusky had, as you admitted, engaged in at least some kind of sexual act with a child on campus and Paterno knew about the previous allegations. But Paterno did nothing other than tell his boss.

Someone alleged to Paterno that Sandusky did that.  If he was told the actual details of it, then yes.  But he was told something weird happened.  He told his bosses.  He always maintained that he didn't know what really happened.  It would be a safe assumption on his part to assume it was a misunderstanding after trusting the word of his bosses that they'd investigate it.  The fact that Sandusky was still around probably made Paterno think there was a simple misunderstanding.  If his bosses investigated it, with the university police, and let the guy hang around, safe to assume there was nothing to it.  Mcqueary is the one who actually saw the rape, and he didn't do anything about Sandusky hanging around the program for another decade.  Perhaps his silence reassured Paterno every time he looked crooked at Sandusky?


I just don't understand how you can look at the timeline and make a zillion excuse that allow you to believe that Joe Paterno, the mastermind of Penn State, had absolutely no idea about the serial child rapist on campus until the scandal came out.

The timeline.

Was Paterno willfully blind or stupid?  These are really the only options if you reject "a facilitator of child rape who covered it up for over a decade."
 
2013-02-10 08:32:59 PM

RDixon: When did Penn State become a Catholic school?


Ha, ha, ha - LMAO - you're so cutting edge. You mean kids get abused by public school teachers, neighbors, and non-Catholic university officials and you didn't know? Wow, your comedy is so fresh and progressive,
Regardless of what Joe did Sandusky was bringing kids on campus, and to games, up until 2010. Even if he just heard rumors he had the power to keep Sandusky away. And he didn't.
 
2013-02-10 08:34:06 PM

puffy999: gimmegimme: And aren't you sickened that Paterno was able to make all of those millions even though he was facilitating child rape all those years? It's not "blood money," but it's something close.

I was going to make a really really really awful joke, but even I'm having second thoughts.


kickme.bawah.fr
 
2013-02-10 08:36:26 PM

gimmegimme: I just don't understand how you can look at the timeline and make a zillion excuse that allow you to believe that Joe Paterno, the mastermind of Penn State, had absolutely no idea about the serial child rapist on campus until the scandal came out.

The timeline.

Was Paterno willfully blind or stupid? These are really the only options if you reject "a facilitator of child rape who covered it up for over a decade."


Read that for yourself, nothing in it shows Paterno knew anything more than something weird happening in the shower.  He's the mastermind of Penn State football, not investigations into sexual assault.  He told his bosses, they said they'd investigate it.  I've said repeatedly he didn't do enough, but he didn't cover anything up.  He told his three superiors about it.  They actually did cover it up, there's actually proof of that.  I see a large number of people who had actual knowledge of child rape who did nothing.  Paterno was told of something fishy, and reported it.
 
2013-02-10 08:37:07 PM

Agatha Crispy: RDixon: When did Penn State become a Catholic school?

Ha, ha, ha - LMAO - you're so cutting edge. You mean kids get abused by public school teachers, neighbors, and non-Catholic university officials and you didn't know? Wow, your comedy is so fresh and progressive,
Regardless of what Joe did Sandusky was bringing kids on campus, and to games, up until 2010. Even if he just heard rumors he had the power to keep Sandusky away. And he didn't.


You sound Catholic.
 
2013-02-10 08:47:22 PM

fatalvenom: Agatha Crispy: RDixon: When did Penn State become a Catholic school?

Ha, ha, ha - LMAO - you're so cutting edge. You mean kids get abused by public school teachers, neighbors, and non-Catholic university officials and you didn't know? Wow, your comedy is so fresh and progressive,
Regardless of what Joe did Sandusky was bringing kids on campus, and to games, up until 2010. Even if he just heard rumors he had the power to keep Sandusky away. And he didn't.

You sound Catholic.


African-American Mennonite. Why?
 
2013-02-10 08:48:52 PM

Champion of the Sun: something weird happening in the shower


Seriously, nobody in their right mind would hear that and not have warning bells going off.

Let's take an unassailable person... Mr. Rogers... you have heard he was in the shower with a young boy, something weird was happening in the shower... and you still think, perfectly innocent, it's Mr. Rogers.

Hell no. You think, WTF? Then you confront a person you've known since they PLAYED for PSU, the guy who was meant to be your replacement, until something "weird happened" in the shower with another boy 14 years earlier... if you've been deaf to all the rumors hovering around your buddy Jerry for the previous 20 years, you probably get a light flickering on...

One thing you do not do is play it down when you pass it on to your superiors, and henceforth ignore it, if you do not condone that sort of thing.

On the other hand, if you were aware your buddy had some "bad habits" that might affect your beloved football program and your legacy, should they ever see the light, you might rely on the same administration guys who covered it up before and hope it all blows over once more. Hell, that assessment is being generous, because there are a lot of worse possibilities that come to mind.

/Amazed some people still defend Paterno
 
2013-02-10 08:53:49 PM

puffy999: Champion of the Sun: And McCreary was young and of a sound mind, why isn't he some huge pariah?

To me, he's the one person who had the greatest chance to put a stop to all of this, and he didn't do it.

I mean, AFTER that event, and other events that eventually became more publicized, the administrators and AD and Paterno really, really blew it to a much grander degree. But all of it could have ended in that shower/locker room.


No, the administration had the greatest chance to stop it all, for two reasons.

1. It was going on long before McCreary witnessed anything. If it had stopped there, Sandusky would still have had access to victims from 1977 to 2001.

2. It can very intimidating being told by your boss not to involve yourself anymore. It doesn't excuse him, but it's more understandable. To Godwin this, it's like blaming those who were "just following orders" more than the Nazi leadership because they could have refused. It's true, and they should have, but the greater blame always lies with those in authority.
 
2013-02-10 08:57:24 PM

Champion of the Sun: gimmegimme: I just don't understand how you can look at the timeline and make a zillion excuse that allow you to believe that Joe Paterno, the mastermind of Penn State, had absolutely no idea about the serial child rapist on campus until the scandal came out.

The timeline.

Was Paterno willfully blind or stupid? These are really the only options if you reject "a facilitator of child rape who covered it up for over a decade."

Read that for yourself, nothing in it shows Paterno knew anything more than something weird happening in the shower.  He's the mastermind of Penn State football, not investigations into sexual assault.  He told his bosses, they said they'd investigate it.  I've said repeatedly he didn't do enough, but he didn't cover anything up.  He told his three superiors about it.  They actually did cover it up, there's actually proof of that.  I see a large number of people who had actual knowledge of child rape who did nothing.  Paterno was told of something fishy, and reported it.


Is it possible Paterno really didn't know through no fault of his own? I suppose. There's no real hard proof I guess.

But is it likely? Am I going to give him the benefit of the doubt? No. This is the court of public opinion, and I (along with most people) have chosen to convict him. This isn't a court of law. Paterno was the face of PSU, and Paternos' assistant coach abused children and was still welcome on campus until Sandusky finally got arrested. GUILTY.
 
2013-02-10 08:57:42 PM

LesserEvil: Amazed some people still defend Paterno


The only defense I'm making of him is that there's no proof he affirmatively covered up child rape.  Read all the comments here, people just throw that out there like it's gospel.  There's tons of doubt as to that.

I don't see why he would think the college would be hurt by Sandusky getting arrested at the time.  There's nothing but risk in covering up the abuse.  He doesn't want to hurt the college, so he does something that can only hurt the college?  There's no personal threat to him in Sandusky getting arrested.  I don't see much threat to the university or football program either.  He cares so much about the football program, that he takes the only course of action that could cause it danger?
 
2013-02-10 08:58:48 PM

SkittlesAreYum: puffy999: Champion of the Sun: And McCreary was young and of a sound mind, why isn't he some huge pariah?

To me, he's the one person who had the greatest chance to put a stop to all of this, and he didn't do it.

I mean, AFTER that event, and other events that eventually became more publicized, the administrators and AD and Paterno really, really blew it to a much grander degree. But all of it could have ended in that shower/locker room.

No, the administration had the greatest chance to stop it all, for two reasons.

1. It was going on long before McCreary witnessed anything. If it had stopped there, Sandusky would still have had access to victims from 1977 to 2001.

2. It can very intimidating being told by your boss not to involve yourself anymore. It doesn't excuse him, but it's more understandable. To Godwin this, it's like blaming those who were "just following orders" more than the Nazi leadership because they could have refused. It's true, and they should have, but the greater blame always lies with those in authority.


That fear and intimidation makes sense for McCreary.  But Paterno was the single most powerful man at Penn State.  He's not going to be intimidated by administrators who have more to fear from him than he has from them.  You may as well say that Kobe Bryant was intimidated by Michael Brown.
 
2013-02-10 09:05:48 PM
Does this mean that the people who called Paterno supporters "appeasers" actually appeasers of the Penn State board?
 
2013-02-10 09:10:25 PM

WTF Indeed: Does this mean that the people who called Paterno supporters "appeasers" actually appeasers of the Penn State board?

 Just like people who hated Amon Goeth must have really liked Adolph Hitler.
 
2013-02-10 09:17:11 PM

Champion of the Sun: I don't see why he would think the college would be hurt by Sandusky getting arrested at the time.


Well, the obvious is that mud spatters. Reporters are vultures, and sports pundits are worse... but we could think the worse... that Sandusky had leverage on Paterno that might have been exposed if he'd been put in front of a jury because Joe reported him; or we could simply assume that Paterno feared his light-handed tactics in dealing with his buddy might come to light, and it was too late to really do much more than try and remove access to school property (which they didn't do very well, at any rate).

I think it's silly to think Paterno had no motivation NOT to turn in a guy he knew for 35+ years, particularly when you are a high profile, "legendary" football coach that is idolized everywhere you go.

I find it incredibly hard to believe that Paterno had no clues about Sandusky's true nature, at any rate. Penn State students involved in athletics seemed to be somewhat aware that Jerry Sandusky was a weirdo to be avoided. It's very possible his crimes go back to his playing days, though he might have had an easier time hiding it back then (indeed, it probably emboldened him to expand his "play time" to PSU facilities and found Second Mile). It certainly IS possible that, as an assistant coach, Paterno might have been involved in some informal discipline of player Jerry Sandusky for some strange behavior with a young boy in 1964. Too many coaches in every sport, at every level, often are willing to overlook troubling behavior (including drug and alcohol abuse, PEDs, domestic abuse, fake girlfriends, etc...) because of their value to a program. We've already been made aware by former Penn State officials that Paterno insisted on handling all disciplinary actions 'internally' - which pretty much insures that we will never know the extent Paterno covered up crimes by other coaches and players in the program, and why his program looked so "clean" for decades.
 
2013-02-10 09:23:51 PM
Does Google work like that? Me saying something like "Wick Sollers likes raping young boys", that will influence the results?
 
2013-02-10 09:28:12 PM
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You can shovel snow off a roof but you cant shovel the stink off of what Joe Pa and Penn State did for Sandusky and his hobby.
 
2013-02-10 09:38:00 PM

Champion of the Sun: LesserEvil: Amazed some people still defend Paterno

The only defense I'm making of him is that there's no proof he affirmatively covered up child rape.  Read all the comments here, people just throw that out there like it's gospel.  There's tons of doubt as to that.

I don't see why he would think the college would be hurt by Sandusky getting arrested at the time.  There's nothing but risk in covering up the abuse.  He doesn't want to hurt the college, so he does something that can only hurt the college?  There's no personal threat to him in Sandusky getting arrested.  I don't see much threat to the university or football program either.  He cares so much about the football program, that he takes the only course of action that could cause it danger?


Dude, if Paterno had run directly from his meeting with McQueary to the first TV camera he could find, shouting SANDUSKY IS A CHILD RAPIST AND MUST BE STOPPED!  GO ARREST HIM NOW!, then we would all have been calling him a hero.

Instead, he's a child rape facilitator who helped to cover up serial child rape for at least a decade.
 
2013-02-10 09:47:08 PM
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2013-02-10 10:06:23 PM

Peter von Nostrand: Joe ran cover for a pedo. No amount of reports attacking the people who investigated it will change that fact


That's the long and short of it. No amount of dressing up is going to polish that turd.
 
2013-02-10 10:11:21 PM

Somacandra: Peter von Nostrand: Joe ran cover for a pedo. No amount of reports attacking the people who investigated it will change that fact

That's the long and short of it. No amount of dressing up is going to polish that turd.


but but but Paterno was an incompetent moron who spoke to no one and sat in a darkened office when he wasn't on the sidelines for a game.  He had no influence at Penn State whatsoever and spent the last fifteen years of his coaching career doddling along like a geriatric Alzheimer's patient, just trying not to drool on himself.

Stop trying to rewrite history!
 
2013-02-10 10:38:03 PM
Look, Joe Paterno had no sway in State College, PA. If he would have said "hey, I think my assistant may be into some bad things. Check it out", the local authorities would have just blown him off.

He told his superiors. What else could the man have possibly done? Nothing. He could have done nothing else. He's an innocent victim.
 
2013-02-11 12:02:42 AM

gimmegimme: Champion of the Sun: jj325: I will not buy the idea that Joe Paterno was a "confused old man" in 2001.

He was 75 and there was a bunch of pressure on the university to fire him for being out of it.  They had a few bad seasons in a row there, most people attributed it to his old age.

Dude deserved to lose his legacy and all, but I don't see enough evidence to say the guy was part of a conspiracy to cover up the allegations.  His bosses, yeah without a doubt.  And McCreary was young and of a sound mind, why isn't he some huge pariah?  Cause he told his boss about it.  And his boss told his boss.  The main bosses covered it up, which the evidence clearly shows.

JoePa didn't call the police and tell them that Sandusky raped at least one boy in the shower.  He had several years to do so.  That's called a cover-up.


OH MY FARKING GOD!!!!! That's also called hearsay! He can't call the police as he didn't witness anything and what was supposedly told to him and what he understood is still not clear (besides what did McQueary actually see - that story has changed so many times). Mike McQueary should have been advised to go to the authorities by his father, Paterno, Curly and Schultz. The fact that it got up the to university president and then still nothing is a farking travesty. Even worse - they had a plan to go to the authorities and then someone went complete pussy and decided to handle the matter in house. Was Paterno complicit in a cover up? - Maybe, from reading  Posnanski's biography of Paterno, I get the feeling Paterno was a grumpy old man at that point in time whose only concern in life was holding on to the head coaching job. Does that excuse him, fark no. But the decisions made at that point in time also have to weigh on McQueary, Spanier, Curly, and Schultz. And let's not forget the BOT. Where the hell where they during all this? So spare me the "this is all Joe Paterno's fault". There is plenty of blame to go around...
 
2013-02-11 12:13:30 AM
Wonder if Luci Beelzebub let Joe Pa read the text of the report?
 
2013-02-11 12:13:59 AM
Ok, so from what I gather here, the real victim in all of this is the Paterno family.
 
2013-02-11 12:20:31 AM
This is Fark, so facts have no meaning here (see George ZImmerman/Trayvon Martin), but let me just post the only thing that matters;

From the report: "No evidence exists that Paterno concealed critical information about Sandusky."

Please proceed with your regularly scheduled indignant, ignorant outrage, witch hunt.
 
2013-02-11 12:22:11 AM

justtray: This is Fark, so facts have no meaning here (see George ZImmerman/Trayvon Martin), but let me just post the only thing that matters;

From the report: "No evidence exists that Paterno concealed critical information about Sandusky."

Please proceed with your regularly scheduled indignant, ignorant outrage, witch hunt.


except that report isn't about facts

that is the entire point of this thread
 
2013-02-11 12:26:00 AM

schuylkill: gimmegimme: Champion of the Sun: jj325: I will not buy the idea that Joe Paterno was a "confused old man" in 2001.

He was 75 and there was a bunch of pressure on the university to fire him for being out of it.  They had a few bad seasons in a row there, most people attributed it to his old age.

Dude deserved to lose his legacy and all, but I don't see enough evidence to say the guy was part of a conspiracy to cover up the allegations.  His bosses, yeah without a doubt.  And McCreary was young and of a sound mind, why isn't he some huge pariah?  Cause he told his boss about it.  And his boss told his boss.  The main bosses covered it up, which the evidence clearly shows.

JoePa didn't call the police and tell them that Sandusky raped at least one boy in the shower.  He had several years to do so.  That's called a cover-up.

OH MY FARKING GOD!!!!! That's also called hearsay! He can't call the police as he didn't witness anything and what was supposedly told to him and what he understood is still not clear (besides what did McQueary actually see - that story has changed so many times). Mike McQueary should have been advised to go to the authorities by his father, Paterno, Curly and Schultz. The fact that it got up the to university president and then still nothing is a farking travesty. Even worse - they had a plan to go to the authorities and then someone went complete pussy and decided to handle the matter in house. Was Paterno complicit in a cover up? - Maybe, from reading  Posnanski's biography of Paterno, I get the feeling Paterno was a grumpy old man at that point in time whose only concern in life was holding on to the head coaching job. Does that excuse him, fark no. But the decisions made at that point in time also have to weigh on McQueary, Spanier, Curly, and Schultz. And let's not forget the BOT. Where the hell where they during all this? So spare me the "this is all Joe Paterno's fault". There is plenty of blame to go around...


Uh, people calling the cops don't have to worry about whether or not something was hearsay...that would be dumb.  If someone tells me "My friend killed his girlfriend", it would be perfectly fine for me to call the cops - in fact, it would be my moral obligation if no one else has.  The only people who have to worry about whether something was hearsay or not are the cops and the lawyers...but I'm pretty sure they would have gone to McQueary for his eye-witness statement to avoid that problem.
 
2013-02-11 12:27:53 AM

FreetardoRivera: that is the entire point of this thread


...huh.  I thought the entire point is that no one on it even slightly cares about anyone who actually got molested by Sandusky.  You're all here to hunt your witches, fark your chickens, and beat your dead horses.  This report isn't changing anyone's opinion, but it does give people the chance to act as though they're morally superior.  And that's the real point of this thread: Everyone gets to say "hey, I never raped a kid nor covered up someone else raping a kid!" Well, bra-vo! You want your "normal human being" ribbon mailed to you?

All I see before me are about 100 posts from people who either can't let it go or are intentionally baiting those that can't let it go.
 
2013-02-11 12:36:55 AM

justtray: This is Fark, so facts have no meaning here (see George ZImmerman/Trayvon Martin), but let me just post the only thing that matters;

From the report: "No evidence exists that Paterno concealed critical information about Sandusky."

Please proceed with your regularly scheduled indignant, ignorant outrage, witch hunt.


Now, hold on there a minute.  You're accepting as prima facie accurate a document put out by the family of the person whose name they're trying to clear?  You seem to normally have better judgment than that.  Would you take at face value an NRA document that stated, "No evidence exists that Assault Rifles exacerbate mass shootings"?  Of course not.  So why take this as being definitive?
 
2013-02-11 12:48:16 AM

vygramul: justtray: This is Fark, so facts have no meaning here (see George ZImmerman/Trayvon Martin), but let me just post the only thing that matters;

From the report: "No evidence exists that Paterno concealed critical information about Sandusky."

Please proceed with your regularly scheduled indignant, ignorant outrage, witch hunt.

Now, hold on there a minute.  You're accepting as prima facie accurate a document put out by the family of the person whose name they're trying to clear?  You seem to normally have better judgment than that.  Would you take at face value an NRA document that stated, "No evidence exists that Assault Rifles exacerbate mass shootings"?  Of course not.  So why take this as being definitive?


If you read the ESPN article, you would know why your comment is so farking stupid.

Only one person involved had any connection to the Paterno family, and that one person's relationship was described as "not close." They were also directed to investigate and find the truth, regardless of positive or negative. Can the Freeh report say that? Based on this reports findings, and the obvious, glaring bias, non-factual conclusions the Freeh report makes, I would say "probably not."

I have no affiliation to Penn State or anyone who ever went there. I just hate public media witch burnings that are entirely devoid and ignorant of facts. Because as someone above said, they don't want or care about the facts. Everyone just wants to feel morally superior and blame anyone and everyone involved.

Frankly, I hope this reports help the Paterno family sue Penn State back to the stone age. They deserve it.

And lastly;

js34603: Well, I personally refuse to believe anything in this report. After all it was prepared on behalf of Paterno's family by someone they paid! How can you trust that?

I'll stick with the Freeh report that Penn State paid someone to write on their behalf. You can trust them, they'd never cover anything up.

 
2013-02-11 12:56:26 AM

justtray: This is Fark, so facts have no meaning here (see George ZImmerman/Trayvon Martin), but let me just post the only thing that matters;

From the report: "No evidence exists that Paterno concealed critical information about Sandusky."

Please proceed with your regularly scheduled indignant, ignorant outrage, witch hunt.


Huh. I didn't know you could just go around declaring stuff and make it true.
 
2013-02-11 01:04:17 AM

Incontinent_dog_and_monkey_rodeo: justtray: This is Fark, so facts have no meaning here (see George ZImmerman/Trayvon Martin), but let me just post the only thing that matters;

From the report: "No evidence exists that Paterno concealed critical information about Sandusky."

Please proceed with your regularly scheduled indignant, ignorant outrage, witch hunt.

Huh. I didn't know you could just go around declaring stuff and make it true.


You should be aware, that's what the Freeh report is.

"No evidence exists that Paterno concealed critical information about Sandusky."

 The above is a factual statement.
 
2013-02-11 01:24:37 AM

justtray: "No evidence exists that Paterno concealed critical information about Sandusky."

The above is a factual statement.


You're making one carefully worded claim (note the weasel word "critical") and presenting that as "proof" exonerating Paterno of all wrongdoing.

Paterno admitted knowing about Sandusky's boy-raping,

Afterwards, Paterno kept Sandusky on the coaching staff.

After Sandusky retired, he was given a Penn State office and use of university facilities. Paterno supported this.

Your "factual statement" may be technically true. Another true statement is "Paterno knowingly protected and supported a child molester".
 
2013-02-11 01:44:31 AM

justtray: If you read the ESPN article, you would know why your comment is so farking stupid.

Only one person involved had any connection to the Paterno family, and that one person's relationship was described as "not close." They were also directed to investigate and find the truth, regardless of positive or negative. Can the Freeh report say that? Based on this reports findings, and the obvious, glaring bias, non-factual conclusions the Freeh report makes, I would say "probably not."

I have no affiliation to Penn State or anyone who ever went there. I just hate public media witch burnings that are entirely devoid and ignorant of facts. Because as someone above said, they don't want or care about the facts. Everyone just wants to feel morally superior and blame anyone and everyone involved.

Frankly, I hope this reports help the Paterno family sue Penn State back to the stone age. They deserve it.


I stand corrected.  The connection is overstated.  But you still seem to be making a mistake about what a lot of people's complaint about Joe is.  Generally, I think people are taking some license to exaggerate when they say Joe covered-up the rapes.  What we DO know, and is undeniable, is that Joe knew Sandusky was doing something INCREDIBLY inappropriate.  Joe did not choose to do the DECENT thing I (or, I imagine, you) would have done, which is follow-up and find out, because if kids were getting raped on MY watch in MY locker rooms, I wouldn't be able to sleep at night not knowing if the problem had been dealt with.  Since Sandusky was still wandering around, that's pretty strong evidence something was amiss.

There's a long tradition in collegiate sports to ignore or willfully self-delude or even cover-up in order to protect student athletes.  Rape, especially, is a reprehensible problem at universities.

ESPN did a whole "Outside the Lines" on JoePa covering for assaults among his players.  Joe adamantly defended that it hadn't happened and he hadn't heard, and ESPN kept telling him it happened, but he was uninterested in investigating himself.

Ignorance was plausible deniability.   It wasn't until he was forced to see what happened that he kicked two players off the team.

So when we know for a fact that Joe reported up the chain the rape, and didn't follow-up, most of us aren't saying he did something illegal.  But he sure as hell did something reprehensible and morally indefensible.  Joe gets attacked for that reason, and because he is defended so adamantly by people who say he did nothing wrong.  He might not have done anything illegal, but you sure as shiat know that if it was HIS kid or grandkid in that locker room with Sandusky, Joe wouldn't have just gone with a "fire and forget" report and hope he wasn't confronted with it again.

THAT is why I find him detestable.  There were kids, hoping that somehow, somewhere, someone, God, anyone, would save them.  The pain, humiliation, and fear were dominating their lives, desperate for salvation.  Joe heard at least one cry for help, and did the absofarkinglutely minimum to satisfy the legal requirements to cover his own ass and that's it.

We need fewer of those guys in this world, and we sure as hell don't need to be worshipping their likenesses.
 
2013-02-11 03:22:35 AM

gimmegimme: Champion of the Sun: gimmegimme: I guess you're right. If someone told me that my buddy was doing "something of a sexual nature" to a young boy, I would tell my boss and then completely forget about it without asking another question ever.

Yeah, I would report it to the police too.  But as far as I know, neither of us in a 75 year old man who is in charge of a multi-million dollar enterprise.  A decrepit old football coach was told this information, he put it in the hands of his bosses and the campus police.  Should he have called the state police instead?  Is calling 911 better than telling a police chief?

But a grad assistant coach told him an incredible story, he told his bosses, they said they'd investigate it and take care of it.  He told the right people about it.  It wasn't morally enough, probably.  I just don't see how it's cool to say he conspired to cover up child rape based on what he knew about the situation.  His bosses for sure though, they knew more about it and worked to cover it up.

He deserves to lose his legacy, perfectly reasonable to say he didn't do enough.

Paterno did not call the "police."  He called the guy who orders Post-its for the police.  If someone is breaking into my home, I'm not, for example, going to call the HR rep for the policemen's union.  I'm going to call the police.

And if he knew that Sandusky had raped children and took no action to bring Sandusky to justice (as you concede), how is he not part of the cover-up?


Ok, i've read enough of your crap. Let's get a few things out in the open first.
1) I hate PSU
2) I have laughed at the video of JP crapping his pants on the sideline many a time
3) I absolutely despise PSU fans

Now that is out of the way, you are just being a huge jackass. The person he told, Schultz, was the man who had direct contact with the police, not some HR person ordering sharpies. Down playing his position to such an extreme degree makes you look like an uneducated moron. The grown man who saw the incident take place never contacted the police. He went to JP the day after he witnessed it. How credible would you think a story is for something that traumatic when it isn't told to you until the following day and authorities are never contacted by the witness? Now, after JP told his superiors (which included Schultz) they contacted McQueary and interviewed him. Paterno was not present at that interview. He was however told later by Schultz that things were handled and people were contacted, including the head of Sanduskys charity. No emails had ever been found or any shred of evidence has been found that implicated JP of assisting in a cover-up or that one was taking place. He may have been told that an investigation had taken place and nothing happened. We don't know exactly what was said because there is no hard proof of that conversation, only JP saying what he was told in general terms.

But what we do know are these things:
Jim Calhoun, a janitor, saw Sandusky raping a boy two years before the McQueary incident. He told another janitor and his supervisor what he saw. That other janitor told the supervisor that he saw Sandusky's car in the parking lot that night. Other members of the janitorial staff were told. The supervisor gave them a name and number and told them to contact them to report the incident if they would like. Not one person said a thing.

McQueary is a large man who saw Sandusky sodomizing a boy. He didn't say a word or attempt to intervene. He went to his dads house and talked to him about it. Neither contacted the police.


For someone so sure of what actually happened, you must have proof you are not releasing to the police or media. Why are you also involved in the cover-up? Direct your tiny rage boner where it belongs.
 
2013-02-11 06:20:51 AM
Reading the Paterno Report....the glaring thing from it is that Louis Freeh never interviewed the key people involved...Pres Spanier, AD Curley, JoePa....none of them.  That Freeh Report will never hold up in court, and any "agreement" Penn St signed could be abrogated by a judge

And, I wonder if the NCAA will be willing to fight Penn State....after the NCAA got cold busted bribing a witness in the U of Miami investigation.  The discovery part against the NCAA will be quite fun....load up on the Orville Reddenbacher....

I will state as a Fact that JoePa will have his wins reinstated....and the Paterno's will win their suit vs the NCAA.  There was no hearing with Paterno and the NCAA....and in the SCOTUS decision in Tarkanian v NCAA (1990s case)....the NCAA has to give individuals "due process" before any punishment can be leveled.  Penn St cannot sign an agreement with the NCAA punishing an individual if the individual has not had due process.   JoePa was already dead before the NCAA got involved

Anyone in the media who claims that Paterno will not win is a freaking idiot.  Legal precedent is already there...and it favors Paterno.

Someone is gonna need to tell Bobby Bowden he is not going to be the winngest college football coach...Dadgummit
 
2013-02-11 07:55:53 AM

DancingElkCondor: SCOTUS decision in Tarkanian v NCAA (1990s case)

....the NCAA has to give individuals "due process" before any punishment can be leveled

Where do you see that the SCOTUS requires due process from the NCAA regarding their sanctions? The NCAA isn't the government.  I'm not an unfrozen caveman, but I don't think the NCAA's actions constitute "state action" either in Tarkanian or Paterno's case.
 
2013-02-11 08:30:55 AM
Burn in hell, Joe-Pa
 
2013-02-11 08:39:39 AM
Listening to Jay Paterno on Mike and Mike... God what an uncaring douche.
 
2013-02-11 08:51:39 AM
Just waiting for the next clean and upstanding school to fall.  With the Graham Spanier involvement at Penn State, Nebraska and "Saint Tom" wouldn't surprise me one bit.

Live in Nebraska, thought Osborne in the senate was one of the biggest jokes ever (going to retire to spend more time with family, but going into politics looks good to get away from the family).
 
2013-02-11 09:23:32 AM
This just in!  I've just completed a report that says I'm incredibly charming and have a large penis and many women want to ride my gargantuan penis and also my face should be on our money.  It's super cereal, guys.  It's science!
 
2013-02-11 10:00:26 AM
They sound butthurt.
 
2013-02-11 10:17:21 AM

iron_city_ap: They sound butthurt.


Of course they were butthurt, they were just kids and no lube was used.
 
2013-02-11 10:26:28 AM
If a coworker was sodomizing boys, do you tell your boss and then wash your hands of it? Or do you make sure that the SOB goes to jail?

DancingElkCondor: Anyone in the media who claims that Paterno will not win is a freaking idiot

www.pensacoladigest.com
 
2013-02-11 10:31:00 AM

jaytkay: After Sandusky retired, he was given a Penn State office and use of university facilities. Paterno supported this.


It was because of his fantastic ball-handling abilities.

/Hey, let's defend child rape for our Alma Matter!
 
2013-02-11 10:36:42 AM

DaintySavage: McQueary is a large man who saw Sandusky sodomizing a boy. He didn't say a word or attempt to intervene. He went to his dads house and talked to him about it. Neither contacted the police.


I doubt anyone here who is attacking Joe is defending McQueary.  McQ did as much as Joe did, followed the same laws and procedures.  If one attacks McQ, it is on a moral basis.  While it is fully deserved, it also ruins the defense that Joe followed procedure and should therefore be left alone.

There is a qualitative difference, of course, between witnessing the rape and merely being informed of it.  But so, too, is there a qualitative difference between being an assistant coach and being one of the most powerful men in the state.  They were not equally vulnerable in their jobs and they were not equally credible when it comes to any accusation that the institution engaged in retaliation and cover-up.

And there's certainly a difference between who is getting all the defending.
 
2013-02-11 10:38:30 AM
The best thing the Paterno family can do is disappear into State College where they are still revered and stop trying to convince the world outside of that insular cult-like bubble of anything.  We're not having it.  Go away.
 
2013-02-11 10:50:59 AM
They just don't know when to Shut up Be Quiet and Don't Say Anything.  They have a severe case of diarrhea of the mouth and every family member suffers because of that.
 
2013-02-11 10:53:37 AM

Yanks_RSJ: The best thing the Paterno family can do is disappear into State College where they are still revered and stop trying to convince the world outside of that insular cult-like bubble of anything.  We're not having it.  Go away.


This.  They could have actual video evidence of JooooeeeeeeePaaaaaaaaa doing a piss-poor job of pleading ignorance of child rape ("A man with a boy...I for to did not understand this, for who forsooth has heard of such"), and these shiatstains would still worship the ground he walked on for eternity. Oh, wait, that video exists, and JoooeeeePaaaa is a shiatstain on the ass of humanity.
 
2013-02-11 11:01:40 AM

born_yesterday: Yanks_RSJ: The best thing the Paterno family can do is disappear into State College where they are still revered and stop trying to convince the world outside of that insular cult-like bubble of anything.  We're not having it.  Go away.

This.  They could have actual video evidence of JooooeeeeeeePaaaaaaaaa doing a piss-poor job of pleading ignorance of child rape ("A man with a boy...I for to did not understand this, for who forsooth has heard of such"), and these shiatstains would still worship the ground he walked on for eternity. Oh, wait, that video exists, and JoooeeeePaaaa is a shiatstain on the ass of humanity.


Which is based on, literally, no evidence.
 
2013-02-11 11:03:04 AM

jaytkay: justtray: "No evidence exists that Paterno concealed critical information about Sandusky."

The above is a factual statement.

You're making one carefully worded claim (note the weasel word "critical") and presenting that as "proof" exonerating Paterno of all wrongdoing.

Paterno admitted knowing about Sandusky's boy-raping,

Afterwards, Paterno kept Sandusky on the coaching staff.

After Sandusky retired, he was given a Penn State office and use of university facilities. Paterno supported this.

Your "factual statement" may be technically true. Another true statement is "Paterno knowingly protected and supported a child molester".


Haha, wow. This is what ignorance looks like, personified.
 
2013-02-11 11:05:38 AM

vygramul: DaintySavage: McQueary is a large man who saw Sandusky sodomizing a boy. He didn't say a word or attempt to intervene. He went to his dads house and talked to him about it. Neither contacted the police.

I doubt anyone here who is attacking Joe is defending McQueary.  McQ did as much as Joe did, followed the same laws and procedures.  If one attacks McQ, it is on a moral basis.  While it is fully deserved, it also ruins the defense that Joe followed procedure and should therefore be left alone.

There is a qualitative difference, of course, between witnessing the rape and merely being informed of it.  But so, too, is there a qualitative difference between being an assistant coach and being one of the most powerful men in the state.  They were not equally vulnerable in their jobs and they were not equally credible when it comes to any accusation that the institution engaged in retaliation and cover-up.

And there's certainly a difference between who is getting all the defending.


That's all well and good, but what he have told the police department? "Someone told me this happened. I have no proof and I didn't see it, but I was told about it." Maybe that would have worked. Maybe he thought by telling the man who had direct oversight of the police department he was doing exactly that. I can't speak for what his intentions were and I agree there were other options he could have taken. But that does not mean he participated in or had knowledge of any cover up. Claiming to know this as fact will make many a person look foolish.
 
2013-02-11 11:07:25 AM
As a last parting gift on this topic I leave the quote from someone else who judged in haste, and has now changed their mind;

"When I later took the time to do so, I was surprised to learn that the alarming allegations, which so disturbed the nation, were essentially theories and assertions rather than solid charges backed by solid evidence," Knight said in a 280-word statement provided to "Outside the Lines" by his wife, Penny. "On reflection, I may have unintentionally contributed to a rush to judgment." - Phil Knight

A lot of people on fark are in exactly the same postion he was, and should be incredibly ashamed of themselves. Not that anyone here has any remorse for their ignorance.
 
2013-02-11 11:17:29 AM

justtray: As a last parting gift on this topic I leave the quote from someone else who judged in haste, and has now changed their mind;

"When I later took the time to do so, I was surprised to learn that the alarming allegations, which so disturbed the nation, were essentially theories and assertions rather than solid charges backed by solid evidence," Knight said in a 280-word statement provided to "Outside the Lines" by his wife, Penny. "On reflection, I may have unintentionally contributed to a rush to judgment." - Phil Knight

A lot of people on fark are in exactly the same postion he was, and should be incredibly ashamed of themselves. Not that anyone here has any remorse for their ignorance.


Phil Knight made no rush to judgement, he was a speaker at Paterno's funeral a longtime friend and vocal defender from the get go.  Any attempt he's now making to suggest that he judged Paterno too harshly is a lie, and his opinion is as worthless and biased as Jay Paterno's.
 
2013-02-11 11:26:51 AM

Yanks_RSJ: justtray: As a last parting gift on this topic I leave the quote from someone else who judged in haste, and has now changed their mind;

"When I later took the time to do so, I was surprised to learn that the alarming allegations, which so disturbed the nation, were essentially theories and assertions rather than solid charges backed by solid evidence," Knight said in a 280-word statement provided to "Outside the Lines" by his wife, Penny. "On reflection, I may have unintentionally contributed to a rush to judgment." - Phil Knight

A lot of people on fark are in exactly the same postion he was, and should be incredibly ashamed of themselves. Not that anyone here has any remorse for their ignorance.

Phil Knight made no rush to judgement, he was a speaker at Paterno's funeral a longtime friend and vocal defender from the get go.  Any attempt he's now making to suggest that he judged Paterno too harshly is a lie, and his opinion is as worthless and biased as Jay Paterno's.


But after that, when the Freeh report came out, Knight disassociated himself from the Paterno family and took Joe's name off of the Nike child learning academy.

Some people are claiming that JoePa made a huge, unforgivable error of judgment.  Some people are claiming that he was involved in some Illuminati level cover up of child rape.  There's evidence of one, and not the other
 
2013-02-11 11:30:12 AM

Champion of the Sun: But after that, when the Freeh report came out, Knight disassociated himself from the Paterno family and took Joe's name off of the Nike child learning academy.

Some people are claiming that JoePa made a huge, unforgivable error of judgment.  Some people are claiming that he was involved in some Illuminati level cover up of child rape.  There's evidence of one, and not the other


Fair enough, but there are other people, like the Paterno family, who don't think the phrase "unforgivable error" belongs anywhere near Joe Paterno's name.
 
2013-02-11 11:31:11 AM

Yanks_RSJ: Fair enough, but there are other people, like the Paterno family, who don't think the phrase "unforgivable error" belongs anywhere near Joe Paterno's name.


Except JoePa himself who said he should've done more, right?
 
2013-02-11 11:36:52 AM

Champion of the Sun: Yanks_RSJ: Fair enough, but there are other people, like the Paterno family, who don't think the phrase "unforgivable error" belongs anywhere near Joe Paterno's name.

Except JoePa himself who said he should've done more, right?


Listen to Jay Paterno's verbal tap dance around those comments and see if he actually thinks he made an "unforgivable error".
 
2013-02-11 11:46:13 AM
Holy fark, these people are all entirely 100% morally bankrupt, down to the last man. Paterno appears to have just been the biggest asshole in his vast family of assholes. Who happens to have been best bros and colleagues with a long-time child rapist. Who mysteriously didn't report child rape to the police and insisted on handling discipline 'in house'.

The vast and unimaginable amount of self-absorbed narcissism it takes to commission a 'report' like this blows my farking mind. Are they going to team up with O.J. next to find the real killers?

Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
 
2013-02-11 11:46:46 AM

veedeevadeevoodee: [67.18.219.83 image 800x477]


Sorry, but this shot always makes me think the following:

Two football players, running hard: "Hey Coach Paterno, wait up -- Sandusky's in the shower right now raping a kid! Coach!"
Paterno: "Taxi!"
 
2013-02-11 11:51:31 AM

bulldg4life: Wouldn't it be in PSU's best interests to release a report that absolved Paterno (and others) from blame and tried to ignore the idea that high-level administrators knew what was going on?


There you go being all logical and everything.
 
2013-02-11 11:54:15 AM

Bigger Leftist Intarweb Schlong: Holy fark, these people are all entirely 100% morally bankrupt, down to the last man. Paterno appears to have just been the biggest asshole in his vast family of assholes. Who happens to have been best bros and colleagues with a long-time child rapist. Who mysteriously didn't report child rape to the police and insisted on handling discipline 'in house'.

The vast and unimaginable amount of self-absorbed narcissism it takes to commission a 'report' like this blows my farking mind. Are they going to team up with O.J. next to find the real killers?

Nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.


Does anyone else remember the ESPN ad for college football, the one that had all the coaches trying to recruit the ad's protagonist?  The one where JoPa literally--and I mean literally--growls at the camera "Come to Penn State!", then snarls?  I've always wondered, WTF were they thinking?
 
2013-02-11 11:55:18 AM

Yanks_RSJ: Listen to Jay Paterno's verbal tap dance around those comments and see if he actually thinks he made an "unforgivable error".


He is interviewed on ESPN and says that he felt the same way his father did.  That he wish he had done more.  Of course he's somewhat biased in defending his father.  And talks about hindsight and wishing he realized how immense the situation was.  His father is accused of purposely covering up for a child rapist.  There is no evidence of that.  Why wouldn't he be reluctant to admit any error?

Also brings up a bunch of good points about how skilled most predators are in grooming victims and communities.  Seems like JoePa gets all this blame when there were hundreds of people in a position to see him for what he was, and no one realized his true nature.

The biggest issue Jay had was the Freeh report saying that Penn State covered up the 1998 incident, when in fact there's documentation of it being passed along to the police and a prosecutor.  Seems like the Freeh report was pretty shoddy.
 
2013-02-11 11:59:37 AM

Champion of the Sun: He is interviewed on ESPN and says that he felt the same way his father did.  That he wish he had done more.  Of course he's somewhat biased in defending his father.  And talks about hindsight and wishing he realized how immense the situation was.  His father is accused of purposely covering up for a child rapist.  There is no evidence of that.  Why wouldn't he be reluctant to admit any error?


I'm not blaming him for defending his father - what I said, however, isn't untrue.  There ARE people who absolutely WILL NOT ADMIT that Joe Paterno made an unforgivable error when he was part of a group of men who knew of a sexual assault and didn't report it.  "Wishing he had done more in hindsight" is vague and means nothing to me.
 
2013-02-11 12:00:42 PM

justtray: As a last parting gift on this topic I leave the quote from someone else who judged in haste, and has now changed their mind;

"When I later took the time to do so, I was surprised to learn that the alarming allegations, which so disturbed the nation, were essentially theories and assertions rather than solid charges backed by solid evidence," Knight said in a 280-word statement provided to "Outside the Lines" by his wife, Penny. "On reflection, I may have unintentionally contributed to a rush to judgment." - Phil Knight

A lot of people on fark are in exactly the same postion he was, and should be incredibly ashamed of themselves. Not that anyone here has any remorse for their ignorance.


You must be joking.  A report paid for by the Paterno family has found that amazingly JP did no wrong.  Wow.  How.  Shocking.  I also love how the fake report points to a glaring error that Freeh didn't talk to Paterno, when the ONLY REASON Paterno wasn't interviewed by Freeh was because he refused to do so.

Look, Sandusky was investigated for showing with a young boy in 1998.  Sandusky full admits to showering with the boy and then resigns in 1999.  If ANYONE is going to tell me that JoPa didn't know why his Assistant Coach was being investigated for...and why the sicko had to resign...you are 100% completely FOS.  You are telling me the guy has the facility and the ability to hand pick the replacement AD, but he isn't told that Sandusky was farking around with kids?  Get a clue.

TWO YEARS LATER McQueary tells JoPa about the 2nd shower incident.  Not the first, the SECOND incident.  By the way, when the Sicko resigned in '99, JoPa supported allowing Sandusky full access to the athletic facilities, including keys.  So not only did he cover for him, he also gives the pedo access to the SAME farkING FACILITY WHERE ITS HAPPENED BEFORE!!!

Look in the mirror jackass...that's what the face of being ashamed looks like.
 
2013-02-11 12:09:58 PM
And there is on more nail in the coffin of that pedo-enabler.  If the Paterno family had ANY evidence worth a shiat that really cleared JoePa's name, they would be suing everything that isn't nailed down.

Read this article...make up your own mind.

"In the end, though, the "Critique" did little to nothing to suggest Paterno didn't know in 1998. The report brought to light no new facts. So, barring further evidence being uncovered during the criminal cases expected later this year, the Freeh conclusion remains the far most likely scenario. "

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--paterno-family-report-does-littl e- to-diminish-belief-coach-knew-of-first-sandusky-allegation-184221077.h tml
 
2013-02-11 12:12:11 PM

Coach_J: justtray: As a last parting gift on this topic I leave the quote from someone else who judged in haste, and has now changed their mind;

"When I later took the time to do so, I was surprised to learn that the alarming allegations, which so disturbed the nation, were essentially theories and assertions rather than solid charges backed by solid evidence," Knight said in a 280-word statement provided to "Outside the Lines" by his wife, Penny. "On reflection, I may have unintentionally contributed to a rush to judgment." - Phil Knight

A lot of people on fark are in exactly the same postion he was, and should be incredibly ashamed of themselves. Not that anyone here has any remorse for their ignorance.

You must be joking.  A report paid for by the Paterno family has found that amazingly JP did no wrong.  Wow.  How.  Shocking.  I also love how the fake report points to a glaring error that Freeh didn't talk to Paterno, when the ONLY REASON Paterno wasn't interviewed by Freeh was because he refused to do so.

Look, Sandusky was investigated for showing with a young boy in 1998.  Sandusky full admits to showering with the boy and then resigns in 1999.  If ANYONE is going to tell me that JoPa didn't know why his Assistant Coach was being investigated for...and why the sicko had to resign...you are 100% completely FOS.  You are telling me the guy has the facility and the ability to hand pick the replacement AD, but he isn't told that Sandusky was farking around with kids?  Get a clue.

TWO YEARS LATER McQueary tells JoPa about the 2nd shower incident.  Not the first, the SECOND incident.  By the way, when the Sicko resigned in '99, JoPa supported allowing Sandusky full access to the athletic facilities, including keys.  So not only did he cover for him, he also gives the pedo access to the SAME farkING FACILITY WHERE ITS HAPPENED BEFORE!!!

Look in the mirror jackass...that's what the face of being ashamed looks like.


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2013-02-11 12:13:37 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Champion of the Sun: He is interviewed on ESPN and says that he felt the same way his father did.  That he wish he had done more.  Of course he's somewhat biased in defending his father.  And talks about hindsight and wishing he realized how immense the situation was.  His father is accused of purposely covering up for a child rapist.  There is no evidence of that.  Why wouldn't he be reluctant to admit any error?

I'm not blaming him for defending his father - what I said, however, isn't untrue.  There ARE people who absolutely WILL NOT ADMIT that Joe Paterno made an unforgivable error when he was part of a group of men who knew of a sexual assault and didn't report it.  "Wishing he had done more in hindsight" is vague and means nothing to me.


But wishing you did more and refusing to admit any wrong doing are contradictory statements.  Someone can't do both at the same time.  So if you're willing to concede that JoePa himself said he wish he had done, more, you can't say he refuses to acknowledge any error.  Some idiots think that there was nothing wrong with what JoePa did, and legally they're right by the way, but those people don't include the Paterno family.  And JoePa looks a lot better than his bosses, of whom we know actually covered it up and didn't do anything to stop it.  There's a lower level of culpability for Paterno, and everyone calling for his head diminishes the severity of the crimes committed by Sandusky and the administration.
 
2013-02-11 12:19:09 PM

Champion of the Sun: But wishing you did more and refusing to admit any wrong doing are contradictory statements.  Someone can't do both at the same time.  So if you're willing to concede that JoePa himself said he wish he had done, more, you can't say he refuses to acknowledge any error.


The key word here is "unforgivable".  The day someone in the Paterno family says that is the day I start listening to anything that comes out of their mouths.  They are not objective, this report had a desired conclusion and worked backwards from that, which is the same criticism they have of the Freeh Report.
 
2013-02-11 12:25:36 PM

Coach_J: And there is on more nail in the coffin of that pedo-enabler.  If the Paterno family had ANY evidence worth a shiat that really cleared JoePa's name, they would be suing everything that isn't nailed down.

Read this article...make up your own mind.

"In the end, though, the "Critique" did little to nothing to suggest Paterno didn't know in 1998. The report brought to light no new facts. So, barring further evidence being uncovered during the criminal cases expected later this year, the Freeh conclusion remains the far most likely scenario. "

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--paterno-family-report-does-littl e- to-diminish-belief-coach-knew-of-first-sandusky-allegation-184221077.h tml


It actually looks like they're in the process of bringing suit against the NCAA, PSU, and possibly the Freeh group, that's why the report looks like a legal complaint.  There's zero proof that JoePa knew in 1998, only circumstantial evidence that he may have known that there was a police investigation into something.  Not even what the investigation was.  If the police make no arrests and the prosecutor decides not to press any charges, how much thought is JoePa gonna give to the investigation after the fact?

Not to mention the numerous police investigations into players of his for a bunch of different crimes that he had no clue about.  Making him out to be some conspiratorial mastermind and gleefully covering child rape doesn't fit any of the facts of the case, or his reputation.  He was an old man who didn't put any attention into anything outside the football program.  He didn't even pay attention when his players were under investigation, there were back ups, and as long as the plays were designed right, he didn't care who was calling or executing them.
 
2013-02-11 12:32:07 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Champion of the Sun: But wishing you did more and refusing to admit any wrong doing are contradictory statements.  Someone can't do both at the same time.  So if you're willing to concede that JoePa himself said he wish he had done, more, you can't say he refuses to acknowledge any error.

The key word here is "unforgivable".  The day someone in the Paterno family says that is the day I start listening to anything that comes out of their mouths.  They are not objective, this report had a desired conclusion and worked backwards from that, which is the same criticism they have of the Freeh Report.


There's actually a ton more to it than that.  So yeah, they spent their money on an issue that was dear to them.  Don't think there's anything out of the ordinary there.  It takes a single page to say there was no evidence that JoePa was involved with a conspiracy to cover up and aid child rape.  The rest of the report shows faults with the investigation, who is at fault, and ways to identify and protect against child predators.

I just don't see them as monsters for defending JoePa when he's been accused of covering up and aiding child rape.  Since there's no evidence of that whatsoever.  I'm sure there's be a lot more willingness to say there was an unforgivable error of judgment if the NCAA, PSU, and the public were merely asserting that there was an unforgivable error of judgment, as opposed to him covering up and aiding child rape.
 
2013-02-11 12:49:14 PM

Champion of the Sun: There's zero proof that JoePa knew in 1998, only circumstantial evidence that he may have known that there was a police investigation into something.  Not even what the investigation was.  If the police make no arrests and the prosecutor decides not to press any charges, how much thought is JoePa gonna give to the investigation after the fact?


Right.

It's completely plausible that a Head Football Coach with the connections and power that JoePa had (he farking hand-picked his boss FFS) wouldn't know that his Head Assistant Football coach was investigated by police and wouldn't ask "uh, hey, why's my Defensive Coordinator being taking to police HQ"....and they didn't tell him.  I'm sure that's exactly how it went down.

Stick your head back in the sand.
 
2013-02-11 12:53:23 PM

Coach_J: justtray: As a last parting gift on this topic I leave the quote from someone else who judged in haste, and has now changed their mind;

"When I later took the time to do so, I was surprised to learn that the alarming allegations, which so disturbed the nation, were essentially theories and assertions rather than solid charges backed by solid evidence," Knight said in a 280-word statement provided to "Outside the Lines" by his wife, Penny. "On reflection, I may have unintentionally contributed to a rush to judgment." - Phil Knight

A lot of people on fark are in exactly the same postion he was, and should be incredibly ashamed of themselves. Not that anyone here has any remorse for their ignorance.

You must be joking.  A report paid for by the Paterno family has found that amazingly JP did no wrong.  Wow.  How.  Shocking.  I also love how the fake report points to a glaring error that Freeh didn't talk to Paterno, when the ONLY REASON Paterno wasn't interviewed by Freeh was because he refused to do so.

Look, Sandusky was investigated for showing with a young boy in 1998.  Sandusky full admits to showering with the boy and then resigns in 1999.  If ANYONE is going to tell me that JoPa didn't know why his Assistant Coach was being investigated for...and why the sicko had to resign...you are 100% completely FOS.  You are telling me the guy has the facility and the ability to hand pick the replacement AD, but he isn't told that Sandusky was farking around with kids?  Get a clue.

TWO YEARS LATER McQueary tells JoPa about the 2nd shower incident.  Not the first, the SECOND incident.  By the way, when the Sicko resigned in '99, JoPa supported allowing Sandusky full access to the athletic facilities, including keys.  So not only did he cover for him, he also gives the pedo access to the SAME farkING FACILITY WHERE ITS HAPPENED BEFORE!!!

Look in the mirror jackass...that's what the face of being ashamed looks like.


Hey wow, look. A guy basing his entire opinion on bald assertion that Joe Paterno knew Sandusky was raping children in 1998. Sorry Mr. Freeh, but your report was a sham, and you're going to be sued over the irresponsible conclusions you made. Worse yet, you're going to lose.
 
2013-02-11 12:56:01 PM
I should consider S&M or something, because all I do is read these PSU threads and see the same arguments every time.

Anyone know a good fark harness salesperson?
 
2013-02-11 01:05:59 PM

Coach_J: Right.

It's completely plausible that a Head Football Coach with the connections and power that JoePa had (he farking hand-picked his boss FFS) wouldn't know that his Head Assistant Football coach was investigated by police and wouldn't ask "uh, hey, why's my Defensive Coordinator being taking to police HQ"....and they didn't tell him. I'm sure that's exactly how it went down.

Stick your head back in the sand.


He didn't know players of his were under investigation for assaults either.  Didn't know that some had been arrested even.  You're making an assertion with no basis in fact, just on the assumption that a guy involved in the football program is all knowing.  You and I might have inquired into it.  But there's no evidence he had.  Kings often don't know what happens below them, and they don't give a shiat either.

Seems like JoePa is the one getting all the heat.  And the governor who was AG while this was going down isn't getting too much attention.  The board of trustees are somehow forever blameless too.  The police investigating the 1998 incident are given a pass.  The prosecutor is given a pass.  The coach who witnessed a child rape and didn't intervene is give a pass.  The janitor who witnessed a different rape is getting a pass.  No one has accountability here except JoePa and the kids playing football there a decade after the fact
 
2013-02-11 01:14:11 PM

Champion of the Sun: Kings often don't know what happens below them, and they don't give a shiat either.


It's so telling that you are comparing a football coach to a King.  Honestly...you people are delusional idolizing nutjobs.

Free piece of advice...stay away from any Cult recruiting events...
 
2013-02-11 01:23:42 PM

Champion of the Sun: Seems like JoePa is the one getting all the heat.  And the governor who was AG while this was going down isn't getting too much attention.  The board of trustees are somehow forever blameless too. The police investigating the 1998 incident are given a pass.  The prosecutor is given a pass.  The coach who witnessed a child rape and didn't intervene is give a pass.  The janitor who witnessed a different rape is getting a pass.  No one has accountability here except JoePa and the kids playing football there a decade after the fact


We (fark) had that conversation and came to the uncontroversial unanimous conclusion that everyone else involved is a scumbag. What, you want MORE preaching to the choir about how they're all douches? There is only ONE person involved in ALL of this who consistently attracts defenders, and that's why he "seems" to get all the heat. He's not. They all get heat. He's the only one with people rushing forward to provide ceramic tiling.
 
2013-02-11 01:26:50 PM

Coach_J: Champion of the Sun: Kings often don't know what happens below them, and they don't give a shiat either.

It's so telling that you are comparing a football coach to a King.  Honestly...you people are delusional idolizing nutjobs.

Free piece of advice...stay away from any Cult recruiting events...


Listen brah, I compared him to a king because everyone's excuse for claiming he knew what was happening is that he was the undisputed master of PSU.  If people want to say he ran it like his own little fiefdom, I'll compare him to a king.

Not a Penn State fan, just don't like people casually calling people reap enablers.  It kinda diminishes the charge against people who deserve the moniker
 
2013-02-11 01:27:15 PM
Great, now those folks around here who still have up signs in the windows of their homes/stores that say "JUSTICE FOR JOPA! RETURN HIS WINS!" and "WE SUPPORT JOE PATERNO!"  will stay up for at least 5 MORE years because now there's concrete proof that he did nothing wrong!

/ Supporting a dead guy, that should tell you something about the clarity of your thinking people.....
 
2013-02-11 01:36:01 PM

LTRM35A2: Great, now those folks around here who still have up signs in the windows of their homes/stores that say "JUSTICE FOR JOPA! RETURN HIS WINS!" and "WE SUPPORT JOE PATERNO!"  will stay up for at least 5 MORE years because now there's concrete proof that he did nothing wrong!

/ Supporting a dead guy, that should tell you something about the clarity of your thinking people.....


YOU AIN'T NEVER GONNA TAKE PENN STATE NATION!!!
 
2013-02-11 01:42:00 PM

vygramul: We (fark) had that conversation and came to the uncontroversial unanimous conclusion that everyone else involved is a scumbag. What, you want MORE preaching to the choir about how they're all douches? There is only ONE person involved in ALL of this who consistently attracts defenders, and that's why he "seems" to get all the heat. He's not. They all get heat. He's the only one with people rushing forward to provide ceramic tiling.


The AG won the governorship and the board of trustees all have their jobs still.  JoePa is the only one being unfairly attacked.  I've said it a bunch of times, he failed and he deserved to lose his legacy.  He doesn't deserve to be called a conspirator or aider of child rape though.

McQueary and the VP guy are technically suspended because of whistle blower protection, which JoePa didn't get.

A lot of people blindly defending him are morons, most even.  But there's no evidence he conspired to cover anything up.  The more heinous the allegation, the higher the proof I think in the court of public opinion.
 
2013-02-11 01:50:32 PM

Champion of the Sun: But there's no evidence he conspired to cover anything up.


I would agree that his sin is one of inaction, not of actively covering or interfering.
 
2013-02-11 01:54:38 PM

vygramul: Champion of the Sun: But there's no evidence he conspired to cover anything up.

I would agree that his sin is one of inaction, not of actively covering or interfering.


Thanks, no one else I've argued with is even willing to explore that point.  Plenty of hatred for him simply for inaction of course.
 
2013-02-11 02:56:50 PM

Champion of the Sun: He didn't know players of his were under investigation for assaults either. Didn't know that some had been arrested even. You're making an assertion with no basis in fact, just on the assumption that a guy involved in the football program is all knowing. You and I might have inquired into it. But there's no evidence he had. Kings often don't know what happens below them, and they don't give a shiat either.


You actually  believe the local police were investigating Penn State players and the head couch wasn't aware?

Just keep sticking your head further in the sand.

// although you're right about him not giving a shiat.
 
2013-02-11 03:16:04 PM

ScreamingHangover: You actually believe the local police were investigating Penn State players and the head couch wasn't aware?


There's some pretty funny videos of reporters bringing up recent arrests and investigations, and he looks like he's totally lost and confused. One of the many reasons people were calling for his ouster in the early 2000s.  There's a lot of debate about how much coaching he actually did over his last decade.  He spent almost two seasons sitting in a press box without head phones on.  Not sure if you've ever talked to any people over 70, but I don't think he had total administrative control over that program in the last decade.  It's just too big an operation for someone that age to run.  Doesn't absolve him of anything, but if he couldn't keep track of his own players getting arrested, could he keep track of potential investigations that didn't result in arrests or charges?
 
2013-02-11 03:49:33 PM

Champion of the Sun: ScreamingHangover: You actually believe the local police were investigating Penn State players and the head couch wasn't aware?

There's some pretty funny videos of reporters bringing up recent arrests and investigations, and he looks like he's totally lost and confused. One of the many reasons people were calling for his ouster in the early 2000s.  There's a lot of debate about how much coaching he actually did over his last decade.  He spent almost two seasons sitting in a press box without head phones on.  Not sure if you've ever talked to any people over 70, but I don't think he had total administrative control over that program in the last decade.  It's just too big an operation for someone that age to run.  Doesn't absolve him of anything, but if he couldn't keep track of his own players getting arrested, could he keep track of potential investigations that didn't result in arrests or charges?


So what you're saying is that Paterno and his players could pretty much do whatever they wanted, and if called on it, all he had to do was play dumb, and all was forgiven?
 
2013-02-11 03:50:52 PM

Champion of the Sun: ScreamingHangover: You actually believe the local police were investigating Penn State players and the head couch wasn't aware?

There's some pretty funny videos of reporters bringing up recent arrests and investigations, and he looks like he's totally lost and confused. One of the many reasons people were calling for his ouster in the early 2000s.  There's a lot of debate about how much coaching he actually did over his last decade.  He spent almost two seasons sitting in a press box without head phones on.  Not sure if you've ever talked to any people over 70, but I don't think he had total administrative control over that program in the last decade.  It's just too big an operation for someone that age to run.  Doesn't absolve him of anything, but if he couldn't keep track of his own players getting arrested, could he keep track of potential investigations that didn't result in arrests or charges?


So he was totally incompetent and useless, yet he couldn't be fired?
 
2013-02-11 03:56:42 PM

ScreamingHangover: So what you're saying is that Paterno and his players could pretty much do whatever they wanted, and if called on it, all he had to do was play dumb, and all was forgiven?


Yanks_RSJ: So he was totally incompetent and useless, yet he couldn't be fired?


Wow, didn't even say anything close to that.  Keep trying though.

Sheeeeeet, I even said it didn't absolve him of anything.  Learn to read assholes
 
2013-02-11 04:00:14 PM

ScreamingHangover: Champion of the Sun: ScreamingHangover: You actually believe the local police were investigating Penn State players and the head couch wasn't aware?

There's some pretty funny videos of reporters bringing up recent arrests and investigations, and he looks like he's totally lost and confused. One of the many reasons people were calling for his ouster in the early 2000s.  There's a lot of debate about how much coaching he actually did over his last decade.  He spent almost two seasons sitting in a press box without head phones on.  Not sure if you've ever talked to any people over 70, but I don't think he had total administrative control over that program in the last decade.  It's just too big an operation for someone that age to run.  Doesn't absolve him of anything, but if he couldn't keep track of his own players getting arrested, could he keep track of potential investigations that didn't result in arrests or charges?

So what you're saying is that Paterno and his players could pretty much do whatever they wanted, and if called on it, all he had to do was play dumb, and all was forgiven?


A PSU player gets in a fight and arrested. What benefit does he gain playing dumb? You would think he would want to make a comment and downplay it, not look like a deer in headlights saying "what?"
 
2013-02-11 04:03:59 PM

Champion of the Sun: ScreamingHangover: So what you're saying is that Paterno and his players could pretty much do whatever they wanted, and if called on it, all he had to do was play dumb, and all was forgiven?

Yanks_RSJ: So he was totally incompetent and useless, yet he couldn't be fired?

Wow, didn't even say anything close to that.  Keep trying though.

Sheeeeeet, I even said it didn't absolve him of anything.  Learn to read assholes


Um, yes, you most certainly did:  you made a  pathetic passive-aggressive attempt at quasi-justifying his actions (or inactions). It was really quite sad. Just quit now before you embarrass yourself further.
 
2013-02-11 04:06:07 PM

DaintySavage: A PSU player gets in a fight and arrested. What benefit does he gain playing dumb?


He gets to put that player in Saturday's game.
 
2013-02-11 04:07:17 PM

ScreamingHangover: Champion of the Sun: ScreamingHangover: So what you're saying is that Paterno and his players could pretty much do whatever they wanted, and if called on it, all he had to do was play dumb, and all was forgiven?

Yanks_RSJ: So he was totally incompetent and useless, yet he couldn't be fired?

Wow, didn't even say anything close to that.  Keep trying though.

Sheeeeeet, I even said it didn't absolve him of anything.  Learn to read assholes

Um, yes, you most certainly did:  you made a  pathetic passive-aggressive attempt at quasi-justifying his actions (or inactions). It was really quite sad. Just quit now before you embarrass yourself further.


Champion of the Sun: Doesn't absolve him of anything


Learn to read asshole
 
2013-02-11 04:09:03 PM

Champion of the Sun: Wow, didn't even say anything close to that.  Keep trying though.


Competent head coaches at major college football programs wear headsets during games and know when their players get arrested.
 
2013-02-11 04:09:09 PM

Champion of the Sun: ScreamingHangover: Champion of the Sun: ScreamingHangover: So what you're saying is that Paterno and his players could pretty much do whatever they wanted, and if called on it, all he had to do was play dumb, and all was forgiven?

Yanks_RSJ: So he was totally incompetent and useless, yet he couldn't be fired?

Wow, didn't even say anything close to that.  Keep trying though.

Sheeeeeet, I even said it didn't absolve him of anything.  Learn to read assholes

Um, yes, you most certainly did:  you made a  pathetic passive-aggressive attempt at quasi-justifying his actions (or inactions). It was really quite sad. Just quit now before you embarrass yourself further.

Champion of the Sun: Doesn't absolve him of anything

Learn to read asshole


I can read. Perfectly fine.
Especially between the lines.
If you really believed that, you wouldn't be posting lame excuses for him.
 
2013-02-11 04:12:59 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Champion of the Sun: Wow, didn't even say anything close to that.  Keep trying though.

Competent head coaches at major college football programs wear headsets during games and know when their players get arrested.


Yeah, I would agree.  Not quite sure how that leads to you think that I said he couldn't be fired.  A lot of people wanted him fired for being out of it, yes.  It was a huge story for a number of seasons.  I don't know enough about PSU to know why they kept him on.
 
2013-02-11 04:16:10 PM

Champion of the Sun: Yanks_RSJ: Champion of the Sun: Wow, didn't even say anything close to that.  Keep trying though.

Competent head coaches at major college football programs wear headsets during games and know when their players get arrested.

Yeah, I would agree.  Not quite sure how that leads to you think that I said he couldn't be fired.  A lot of people wanted him fired for being out of it, yes.  It was a huge story for a number of seasons.  I don't know enough about PSU to know why they kept him on.


Yet you know enough to show up here and make excuses for the man.
 
2013-02-11 04:31:26 PM

schuylkill: js34603: Well, I personally refuse to believe anything in this report. After all it was prepared on behalf of Paterno's family by someone they paid! How can you trust that?
.
I'll stick with the Freeh report that Penn State paid someone to write on their behalf. You can trust them, they'd never cover anything up.

I am not a Paterno defender - just a PSU grad who wants to know what the fark went on up there. But, yeah, no one ever threw a dead guy under the bus before. Because that would like, be a first.

Though I find it hilarious that a former US Atty General is bashing the investigative skills of a former FBI director. He's probably use to the FBI farking up cases for him...


Freeh's investigation started prior to JoePa's death. He refused to talk to the investigators.

It's pretty easy to see what went on. JoePa and his bosses all pretended not to see what the perv was up to because of an old fashioned mindset that you didn't talk about such nasty things. They weren't pro-molestation or anything. They simply didn't want to face something that horrible and drag their school into it to boot.
 
2013-02-11 04:36:53 PM

Yanks_RSJ: So he was totally incompetent and useless, yet he couldn't be fired?


The way I see it, he could have been fired.  They could have unceremoniously canned him back in the early 2000's when the team was just awful.  He didn't exercise some mythical power over the administration of the university.  BUT, there were enough people that were enamored with him that firing him or forcing him to retire would have caused a massive public backlash.  Alumni donations may have suffered (oh noes!), and the administration would have looked bad to the Paterno-loving public.  He had no authority over the administration, they just saw firing him as bad PR.  So when they "asked" him to step down, his ego took over and he said no, knowing they didn't have the stones to actually fire him.
 
2013-02-11 04:40:55 PM

Champion of the Sun: Yeah, I would agree.  Not quite sure how that leads to you think that I said he couldn't be fired.  A lot of people wanted him fired for being out of it, yes.  It was a huge story for a number of seasons.  I don't know enough about PSU to know why they kept him on.


They probably wanted to avoid a riot on campus for as long as possible.
 
2013-02-11 04:46:00 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Champion of the Sun: ScreamingHangover: You actually believe the local police were investigating Penn State players and the head couch wasn't aware?

There's some pretty funny videos of reporters bringing up recent arrests and investigations, and he looks like he's totally lost and confused. One of the many reasons people were calling for his ouster in the early 2000s.  There's a lot of debate about how much coaching he actually did over his last decade.  He spent almost two seasons sitting in a press box without head phones on.  Not sure if you've ever talked to any people over 70, but I don't think he had total administrative control over that program in the last decade.  It's just too big an operation for someone that age to run.  Doesn't absolve him of anything, but if he couldn't keep track of his own players getting arrested, could he keep track of potential investigations that didn't result in arrests or charges?
.
So he was totally incompetent and useless, yet he couldn't be fired?


Yes, exactly. He was a figurehead but a powerful one. Think about it, he's dead and disgraced and still being discussed more than many coaches. He WAS Penn St. That's one of the reasons I dismiss as a total BS line his "I told my bosses" defense. For all intents and purposes JoePa didn't have a boss when it came to the football program. he may not have been X and Oing the team so much anymore but his word was law in that place. His failure to put a stop to Sandusky when it was brought to his attention was an inexcusable moral lapse.
 
2013-02-11 04:48:12 PM

Yanks_RSJ: Champion of the Sun: Yeah, I would agree.  Not quite sure how that leads to you think that I said he couldn't be fired.  A lot of people wanted him fired for being out of it, yes.  It was a huge story for a number of seasons.  I don't know enough about PSU to know why they kept him on.

They probably wanted to avoid a riot on campus for as long as possible.


I was talking about him not being fired in the early part of the decade for losing, not the whole child rape thing.
 
2013-02-11 05:14:32 PM

ScreamingHangover: Champion of the Sun: Yanks_RSJ: Champion of the Sun: ***snip***

Yet you know enough to show up here and make excuses for the man.


Champion of the Sunis only pointing out that there is no hard evidence that Paterno was complicit in a cover up.   CotSnever really says (in this thread, to my knowledge) that Paterno deserves less of the scorn and disgust that he is getting.   To agree with that point, however, you have to make the assumption that Paterno had little to no knowledge of what was going on in his locker room and with his staff.  Which, I personally don't, but I can't point to one piece of damning evidence that has been revealed so far.

The only way something definitive occurs is if Curley, Schultz, and Spanier all provide corroborating testimony about what Paterno knew and when.  I am not sure why they would, but then again, I thought Lance Armstrong would go to his grave claiming he was clean despite all evidence to the contrary.
 
2013-02-11 05:25:12 PM

roc6783: Champion of the Sunis only pointing out that there is no hard evidence that Paterno was complicit in a cover up. CotSnever really says (in this thread, to my knowledge) that Paterno deserves less of the scorn and disgust that he is getting. To agree with that point, however, you have to make the assumption that Paterno had little to no knowledge of what was going on in his locker room and with his staff. Which, I personally don't, but I can't point to one piece of damning evidence that has been revealed so far.

The only way something definitive occurs is if Curley, Schultz, and Spanier all provide corroborating testimony about what Paterno knew and when. I am not sure why they would, but then again, I thought Lance Armstrong would go to his grave claiming he was clean despite all evidence to the contrary.


Yeah, I've said about twenty times that he deserves to lose his legacy and he is far from innocent.  Inaction is enough to hate the man.  I just don't think people should be calling him a child rape enabler or that he was engaged in a conspiracy to cover it up or aid in it.  The evidence doesn't show that.  Curly, Schultz, and Spanier, yeah, those guys should burn.  Joe should be hated.  But stating that he engaged in a conspiracy to aid child rape, when both reports say the opposite, is not right.
 
2013-02-11 06:03:25 PM

Champion of the Sun: Coach_J: Champion of the Sun: Kings often don't know what happens below them, and they don't give a shiat either.

It's so telling that you are comparing a football coach to a King.  Honestly...you people are delusional idolizing nutjobs.

Free piece of advice...stay away from any Cult recruiting events...

Listen brah, I compared him to a king because everyone's excuse for claiming he knew what was happening is that he was the undisputed master of PSU.  If people want to say he ran it like his own little fiefdom, I'll compare him to a king.

Not a Penn State fan, just don't like people casually calling people reap enablers.  It kinda diminishes the charge against people who deserve the moniker


This.  It's like calling everyone who ever served in the military 'Hero'.  Or people who smoke pot terrorism financiers.

One of the first things I did was read the Freeh report cover to cover, and I was appalled at what happened, but what was in the report was NOTHING like what is being said or tossed about on the internet.  And to take the quote "Wish I had done more" to suggest it means "I knew, and I wish I had done something when I knew" is horribly dishonest.  I've been interviewed by CPS in the past regarding a daycare that was physically abusing children, and you look back and question every single 'bruise, scrape, rash' and think to yourself 'If only I had realized that the scrape wasn't a scrape from slipping from the jungle gym but a scrape from duct tape being ripped from the skin...'  The natural reaction is always to wish that you had done more, or noticed it sooner, or just... anything.

It's very important for these reports to be done carefully and professionally because if we don't understand how these things come to pass, we can't properly protect against them happening in the future.  Burning at the stake sounds cathartic, but it just causes everyone who might be able to help, prevent, or stop these things from happening to put on blinders and try not to get involved.
 
2013-02-11 06:07:55 PM

Champion of the Sun: Yeah, I've said about twenty times that he deserves to lose his legacy and he is far from innocent. Inaction is enough to hate the man. I just don't think people should be calling him a child rape enabler or that he was engaged in a conspiracy to cover it up or aid in it. The evidence doesn't show that. Curly, Schultz, and Spanier, yeah, those guys should burn. Joe should be hated. But stating that he engaged in a conspiracy to aid child rape, when both reports say the opposite, is not right.


The Freeh report's most damning accusation was that he didn't

roc6783: ScreamingHangover: Champion of the Sun: Yanks_RSJ: Champion of the Sun: ***snip***

Yet you know enough to show up here and make excuses for the man.

Champion of the Sunis only pointing out that there is no hard evidence that Paterno was complicit in a cover up.   CotSnever really says (in this thread, to my knowledge) that Paterno deserves less of the scorn and disgust that he is getting.   To agree with that point, however, you have to make the assumption that Paterno had little to no knowledge of what was going on in his locker room and with his staff.  Which, I personally don't, but I can't point to one piece of damning evidence that has been revealed so far.

The only way something definitive occurs is if Curley, Schultz, and Spanier all provide corroborating testimony about what Paterno knew and when.  I am not sure why they would, but then again, I thought Lance Armstrong would go to his grave claiming he was clean despite all evidence to the contrary.


I really wish we could clone Curley, Shultz, McQueary, and Spanier and give them immunity from prosecution just so we could get an actual understanding of what happened without the inevitable cover your ass statements which they all are basically required to give.  With the threat of prosecution hanging over all of them, none of them has any reason to say anything.  And offering a plea to one to 'dime out' the others is just going to taint the testimony.
 
2013-02-11 06:14:43 PM

Digitalstrange: Freeh's investigation started prior to JoePa's death. He refused to talk to the investigators.


I'm not sure that's true.  I'd like a citation if you have one. It's quite possible.

However, even a GED in law will tell you that it is a 'bad idea' to speak with an investigator of a crime after the fact and before all trials are concluded.  "Never talk to the police" is all around good advice.
 
2013-02-11 06:17:37 PM

Champion of the Sun: ScreamingHangover: So what you're saying is that Paterno and his players could pretty much do whatever they wanted, and if called on it, all he had to do was play dumb, and all was forgiven?

Yanks_RSJ: So he was totally incompetent and useless, yet he couldn't be fired?

Wow, didn't even say anything close to that.  Keep trying though.

Sheeeeeet, I even said it didn't absolve him of anything.  Learn to read assholes


It's in the FarQ.  If you don't call for summary execution by fire ants, you are an enabler/apologist.   If you comment that the sky is cloudy without wishing death...   These threads are mostly full of trolls.
 
2013-02-11 06:19:04 PM

kim jong-un: Digitalstrange: Freeh's investigation started prior to JoePa's death. He refused to talk to the investigators.

I'm not sure that's true.  I'd like a citation if you have one. It's quite possible.

However, even a GED in law will tell you that it is a 'bad idea' to speak with an investigator of a crime after the fact and before all trials are concluded.  "Never talk to the police" is all around good advice.


Freeh's investigation started two months before he died, but didn't have a chance to talk to him.

Paterno did not refuse.
 
2013-02-11 06:20:19 PM

kim jong-un: Digitalstrange: Freeh's investigation started prior to JoePa's death. He refused to talk to the investigators.

I'm not sure that's true.  I'd like a citation if you have one. It's quite possible.

However, even a GED in law will tell you that it is a 'bad idea' to speak with an investigator of a crime after the fact and before all trials are concluded.  "Never talk to the police" is all around good advice.


He didn't talk to Freeh.  But he was also dying of lung cancer at the time.  Kinda understandable.  Not to mention Joe already went over all of it with the grand jury while under oath.  Not sure what else he would've revealed.
 
2013-02-11 06:32:22 PM

kim jong-un: Champion of the Sun: Coach_J: Champion of the Sun: Kings often don't know what happens below them, and they don't give a shiat either.

It's so telling that you are comparing a football coach to a King.  Honestly...you people are delusional idolizing nutjobs.

Free piece of advice...stay away from any Cult recruiting events...

Listen brah, I compared him to a king because everyone's excuse for claiming he knew what was happening is that he was the undisputed master of PSU.  If people want to say he ran it like his own little fiefdom, I'll compare him to a king.

Not a Penn State fan, just don't like people casually calling people reap enablers.  It kinda diminishes the charge against people who deserve the moniker

This.  It's like calling everyone who ever served in the military 'Hero'.  Or people who smoke pot terrorism financiers.

One of the first things I did was read the Freeh report cover to cover, and I was appalled at what happened, but what was in the report was NOTHING like what is being said or tossed about on the internet.  And to take the quote "Wish I had done more" to suggest it means "I knew, and I wish I had done something when I knew" is horribly dishonest.  I've been interviewed by CPS in the past regarding a daycare that was physically abusing children, and you look back and question every single 'bruise, scrape, rash' and think to yourself 'If only I had realized that the scrape wasn't a scrape from slipping from the jungle gym but a scrape from duct tape being ripped from the skin...'  The natural reaction is always to wish that you had done more, or noticed it sooner, or just... anything.

It's very important for these reports to be done carefully and professionally because if we don't understand how these things come to pass, we can't properly protect against them happening in the future.  Burning at the stake sounds cathartic, but it just causes everyone who might be able to help, prevent, or stop these things from happening to put on blin ...


I'm not disagreeing with you: this is true that there is no one particular piece of evidence directly connecting Paterno to a cover-up. My main contention with Champion of the Sun's position is the "Old Geezer" defense: that Paterno was too old and forgetful. I would buy it if the scandal happened in the last year or 2 of his life, or if he had stepped down at some point due to incapacity. But for him to continue coaching for more than 10 years after the events? Nope: ain't buying the geezer defense.

If the best rationalization one can come up with is that the head coach of one of the nation's premier college football programs was senile and mentally feeble for 10+ seasons, it's apparent that your head's in the sand and you want it to stay that way.
 
2013-02-11 06:35:50 PM

vygramul: kim jong-un: Digitalstrange: Freeh's investigation started prior to JoePa's death. He refused to talk to the investigators.

I'm not sure that's true.  I'd like a citation if you have one. It's quite possible.

However, even a GED in law will tell you that it is a 'bad idea' to speak with an investigator of a crime after the fact and before all trials are concluded.  "Never talk to the police" is all around good advice.

Freeh's investigation started two months before he died, but didn't have a chance to talk to him.

Paterno did not refuse.


Just goes to show you how dishonest the Freeh report is. He, and the people attempting to villify this man as a child rapist enabler posed it in such a way that he didn't speak to them because he was somehow guilty of something. Considering he died 2 months after the investigation started, I find it at BEST, a disgustingly dishonest representation.

Then again, we're dealing with sports here. Any chance to shiat all over a legendary coach and no one is going to think twice about pesky things like "facts."
 
2013-02-11 06:39:55 PM

Coach_J: And there is on more nail in the coffin of that pedo-enabler.  If the Paterno family had ANY evidence worth a shiat that really cleared JoePa's name, they would be suing everything that isn't nailed down.

Read this article...make up your own mind.

"In the end, though, the "Critique" did little to nothing to suggest Paterno didn't know in 1998. The report brought to light no new facts. So, barring further evidence being uncovered during the criminal cases expected later this year, the Freeh conclusion remains the far most likely scenario. "

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--paterno-family-report-does-littl e- to-diminish-belief-coach-knew-of-first-sandusky-allegation-184221077.h tml


Gotta love the ignorance in these posts. "When there's absolutely no evidence that suggests Paterno knew anything in 1998, you HAVE to present evidence he didn't, or else, we'll keep on believing unsupported bullshiat."

This is really the exact kind of person that encompasses everything that is wrong with America
 
2013-02-11 06:46:58 PM

ScreamingHangover: I'm not disagreeing with you: this is true that there is no one particular piece of evidence directly connecting Paterno to a cover-up. My main contention with Champion of the Sun's position is the "Old Geezer" defense: that Paterno was too old and forgetful. I would buy it if the scandal happened in the last year or 2 of his life, or if he had stepped down at some point due to incapacity. But for him to continue coaching for more than 10 years after the events? Nope: ain't buying the geezer defense.


Listen honey, in this thread, and the thousands before it.  People claim that JoePa must be guilty, because how could he not know there was an investigation into Sandusky.  He wasn't even aware of arrests and investigations of his own players.  That's the reason that was brought up.  If you weren't such a blind asshole you would've seen that in the 20+ posts I talked about it.  People use his being the all knowing all seeing head of Penn State football as proof that he knew the Sandusky was a pederast.  To counter that, I show that he wasn't even aware that players had been arrested.  And this was contemporaneous to the shower incident.  My only assertion is that there is no proof that he conspired to cover up child rape nor facilitate in it.  That's it.  People should get their facts right before they go into histrionics.

Him being old and incompetent doesn't excuse anything.  But you can't claim that he knew every single thing that ever happened in relation to PSU football when he wasn't even aware of his players getting arrested.
 
2013-02-11 07:01:47 PM

Champion of the Sun: Him being old and incompetent doesn't excuse anything. But you can't claim that he knew every single thing that ever happened in relation to PSU football when he wasn't even aware of his players getting arrested.


Well, what can I say: the man apparently had a very selective form of senility that allowed him to magically guide one of the nation's premier sports programs while sitting on top of the heap of one of the most competitive jobs markets on the planet for over a decade. But the minute a discrepancy with the behavior of one of his staff or players occurs, he suddenly turns into Grandpa Simpson.

Truly remarkable.
 
2013-02-11 07:10:40 PM

ScreamingHangover: Champion of the Sun: Him being old and incompetent doesn't excuse anything. But you can't claim that he knew every single thing that ever happened in relation to PSU football when he wasn't even aware of his players getting arrested.

Well, what can I say: the man apparently had a very selective form of senility that allowed him to magically guide one of the nation's premier sports programs while sitting on top of the heap of one of the most competitive jobs markets on the planet for over a decade. But the minute a discrepancy with the behavior of one of his staff or players occurs, he suddenly turns into Grandpa Simpson.

Truly remarkable.


Or a figurehead who missed bowl games four of five seasons while this was all happening.  Look at their records in the last fifteen years.  Mediocrity, especially for a school and coach with so much history.  He spent nearly two seasons sitting in the press box without head phones on while other people coached the team.  The team got better as he got older and less involved.  He wasn't some dynamo who was controlling the entire organization, which is the equivalent of a multi million dollar business.  He was a face and a name.  His son and the other coaches most likely ran it and did all the administrative stuff.  He just went on recruiting trips to scream at people

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2013-02-11 07:13:41 PM

Champion of the Sun: ScreamingHangover: Champion of the Sun: Him being old and incompetent doesn't excuse anything. But you can't claim that he knew every single thing that ever happened in relation to PSU football when he wasn't even aware of his players getting arrested.

Well, what can I say: the man apparently had a very selective form of senility that allowed him to magically guide one of the nation's premier sports programs while sitting on top of the heap of one of the most competitive jobs markets on the planet for over a decade. But the minute a discrepancy with the behavior of one of his staff or players occurs, he suddenly turns into Grandpa Simpson.

Truly remarkable.

Or a figurehead who missed bowl games four of five seasons while this was all happening.  Look at their records in the last fifteen years.  Mediocrity, especially for a school and coach with so much history.  He spent nearly two seasons sitting in the press box without head phones on while other people coached the team.  The team got better as he got older and less involved.  He wasn't some dynamo who was controlling the entire organization, which is the equivalent of a multi million dollar business.  He was a face and a name.  His son and the other coaches most likely ran it and did all the administrative stuff.  He just went on recruiting trips to scream at people

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Interesting. So why was none of this mentioned in either the Freeh report or -more particularly-  the one his family commissioned?
 
2013-02-11 07:21:20 PM

ScreamingHangover:
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Interesting. So why was none of this mentioned in either the Freeh report or -more particularly-  the one his family commissioned?


Because it's not at all relevant except to point out that people who claim that he was the all knowing all seeing head of penn state are wrong.  How do you not get this?

ScreamingHangover: I'm not disagreeing with you: this is true that there is no one particular piece of evidence directly connecting Paterno to a cover-up. My main contention with Champion of the Sun's position is the "Old Geezer" defense: that Paterno was too old and forgetful. I would buy it if the scandal happened in the last year or 2 of his life, or if he had stepped down at some point due to incapacity. But for him to continue coaching for more than 10 years after the events? Nope: ain't buying the geezer defense.


So I showed you how, yeah, there is some aspect of the geezer defense.  His teams were horrible while the shower raping was going on and he wasn't even aware that his players had been arrested and investigated for a bunch of stuff.  People were calling for his head, he was too valuable to the university to get canned though.

biatch, I give you everything you ask for.  Please twist this anyway you want, whatever makes you happy.
 
2013-02-11 07:26:56 PM
67.18.219.83

/ "I don't know and I don't wanna Know" -pa
 
2013-02-11 07:31:08 PM

Champion of the Sun: biatch, I give you everything you ask for. Please twist this anyway you want, whatever makes you happy.


So here we has an individual who has run one of the nation's premier sports programs for decades. Not one of his staff, his family,  nor any of his players -hundreds of people who worked with him on a daily basis over the past decade- has mentioned any mental deficiency whatsoever.

Yet here you are, -having never met the man- claiming that he was mentally deficient and functionally senile.

So who's doing the twisting here?
 
2013-02-11 09:07:13 PM

Champion of the Sun: roc6783: ***snip***  The evidence doesn't show that.  Curly, Schultz, and Spanier, yeah, those guys should burn.  Joe should be hated.  But stating that he engaged in a conspiracy to aid child rape, when both reports say the opposite, is not right.


And the bold part is where you keep tripping people up.  The Freeh Report takes e-mails that refer to a "him" or "the coach" and attributes Paterno as the subject, which makes him knowledgeable about the cover up, and in one instance an e-mail suggests that he recommends not going to authorities.  I can't say what the Paterno family report says beyond the fact that it disagrees with the attributions in the Freeh report.  Neither one shows that Paterno was NOT part of the cover up just as much as the other guys.
 
2013-02-11 09:42:35 PM

roc6783: Champion of the Sun: roc6783: ***snip***  The evidence doesn't show that.  Curly, Schultz, and Spanier, yeah, those guys should burn.  Joe should be hated.  But stating that he engaged in a conspiracy to aid child rape, when both reports say the opposite, is not right.

And the bold part is where you keep tripping people up.  The Freeh Report takes e-mails that refer to a "him" or "the coach" and attributes Paterno as the subject, which makes him knowledgeable about the cover up, and in one instance an e-mail suggests that he recommends not going to authorities.  I can't say what the Paterno family report says beyond the fact that it disagrees with the attributions in the Freeh report.  Neither one shows that Paterno was NOT part of the cover up just as much as the other guys.


Show so exact quotes or stfu and gtfo with your lies. Thanks.
 
2013-02-12 01:07:11 AM

Peter von Nostrand: Joe ran cover for a pedo. No amount of reports attacking the people who investigated it will change that fact


All of you saying this , I *THINK* thats the point of the story here, that the accusation Freeh made was not accurate.  But hey, go on trouncing a man who, before this report, you would have had no reason to believe anything horrible about.

/ not that you should trust the family's interpretation for God sake....
 
2013-02-12 11:43:23 AM

justtray: roc6783: Champion of the Sun: roc6783: ***snip***  

Show so exact quotes or stfu and gtfo with your lies. Thanks.


Ummm...what the hell did I say that could even be possibly interpreted as a lie?  I said neither report definitively shows whether or not Paterno was part of a cover up, and people's opinions will likely be swayed by whether or not they think a head coach of a major football program would have no clue about what is going on in his locker room or with his staff.  I also said that the only way a definitive answer could be found is if the other people charged with the cover up all had corroborating accounts of what Paterno knew and when he knew, but also noted that I do not think it is very likely that will ever happen as it would not serve any of their interests to reveal that information publicly or privately.

Please enlighten me as to where I said anything that is not true.
 
2013-02-12 11:44:32 AM

DaintySavage: gimmegimme: Champion of the Sun: gimmegimme: I guess you're right. If someone told me that my buddy was doing "something of a sexual nature" to a young boy, I would tell my boss and then completely forget about it without asking another question ever.

Yeah, I would report it to the police too.  But as far as I know, neither of us in a 75 year old man who is in charge of a multi-million dollar enterprise.  A decrepit old football coach was told this information, he put it in the hands of his bosses and the campus police.  Should he have called the state police instead?  Is calling 911 better than telling a police chief?

But a grad assistant coach told him an incredible story, he told his bosses, they said they'd investigate it and take care of it.  He told the right people about it.  It wasn't morally enough, probably.  I just don't see how it's cool to say he conspired to cover up child rape based on what he knew about the situation.  His bosses for sure though, they knew more about it and worked to cover it up.

He deserves to lose his legacy, perfectly reasonable to say he didn't do enough.

Paterno did not call the "police."  He called the guy who orders Post-its for the police.  If someone is breaking into my home, I'm not, for example, going to call the HR rep for the policemen's union.  I'm going to call the police.

And if he knew that Sandusky had raped children and took no action to bring Sandusky to justice (as you concede), how is he not part of the cover-up?

Ok, i've read enough of your crap. Let's get a few things out in the open first.
1) I hate PSU
2) I have laughed at the video of JP crapping his pants on the sideline many a time
3) I absolutely despise PSU fans

Now that is out of the way, you are just being a huge jackass. The person he told, Schultz, was the man who had direct contact with the police, not some HR person ordering sharpies. Down playing his position to such an extreme degree makes you look like an uneducated moron. The grown man ...


And the reason no one said anything was fear of speaking out against an incredibly powerful entity on campus, the football program.  If only there was someone in charge of that program who could have stopped this...
 
2013-02-12 12:59:55 PM
Nice to see that time to think and new information has not even slightly abated the inane, frothing at the mouth reaction of most people to this story.

"NO NO NO DONT WANNA HEAR ANY I JUST KNOW WHAT I KNOW JOE PA EVIL FOOTBALL CULTURE DERP DERP DERP"
 
2013-02-12 02:51:15 PM
Still no word on DA(who was actually in a position to get the ball rolling with a posecution) that went missing.  Don't know how much the school could have even done at the time with only allegations (even if there was eye witnesses) and no criminal charges.
 
2013-02-12 10:03:17 PM

born_yesterday: Does anyone else remember the ESPN ad for college football, the one that had all the coaches trying to recruit the ad's protagonist? The one where JoPa literally--and I mean literally--growls at the camera "Come to Penn State!", then snarls? I've always wondered, WTF were they thinking?


Big Ten Network, and it was on for at least 3 years before the allegations.
 
2013-02-12 10:05:35 PM

flynn80: Still no word on DA(who was actually in a position to get the ball rolling with a posecution) that went missing.  Don't know how much the school could have even done at the time with only allegations (even if there was eye witnesses) and no criminal charges.


A case this big could've gone to the Pennsylvania AG.  And it did.  But the AG at the time had better things to do...like become governor and pass the buck on to the next AG, who proceeded to fumble.

/Yeah, if Corbett is being truthful in saying he had a case against Sandusky as AG, he's just as culpable as Curley and Schultz, and probably should be impeached over it.
 
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