snocone: Just be damned glad they don't have nukes.

Yep. If LAPD had its way California would be nothing but a glass parking lot all the way from the Mexican border to Humboldt county.

studebaker hoch: Frank N Stein

The professionalism and the marksmanship is tagged throughout that vehicle. Only cops, with their intense training, are capable of the safe operation of firearms.

I have no "cop-hate", but that is so wrong that I don't know what to think anymore.

I can't believe that picture is real.


It's real.

Seven cops emptied their weapons into that pickup, hitting the 71 year old Hispanic woman (back seat - folding newspapers) in the back twice. Her daughter (driving) was injured by flying broken glass.

The Seven cops  involved are on paid vacation administrative leave, and will continue to be until they are absolved of all wrongdoing - which could take several days.

nmemkha: Funny all the cops apologists and resident Fark LEOs seem to have disappeared.

So have the farkers from the gun grabbing threads who said "the government will just mow you all down if you oppose them and don't turn them in".

/Don't worry though, give it one media cycle and they'll both be back

Seriously, guys, and I'm talking to my brother and sister LEO's here, quit shooting at anything that moves. The odds of you actually pulling this guy over are slim, and before you pull your sidearm and start hosing a vehicle down, you might want to restrain yourself long enough to IDENTIFY YOUR TARGET, let alone determine he's armed and a threat. Comon guys, you know better. Relax a bit.

I'm not saying this would be a good thing, but what if the Dormer Protection Legion started taking shots at police cars all over southern California, do we get marshal law?

Glancing Blow: I'm not saying this would be a good thing, but what if the Dormer Protection Legion started taking shots at police cars all over southern California, do we get marshal law?

Long answer: Yes.

snocone: Igor Jakovsky: StrangeQ: Igor Jakovsky: Remember the Rampart scandal in the late 90's?  The fallout from that supposedly helped clean up the LAPD.  Maybe they've gone back to their old ways.  Im not sure who to believe here,  Why do many farkers automatically believe this guys manifesto?  Regardless, if this guy is putting hits out on LAPD and/or their families then fark him.  There are other ways to go about whistle blowing and unlawful termination without getting all shooty.

Like what?  File a report?  A complaint?  Do you really think, with the rampant police corruption in this country, that such a thing would have any effect at all?  The police have shown that they are good at one thing and one thing only: protecting their own.  They don't give a damn about you or anyone else who isn't carrying a badge.  But go ahead, blow that whistle.  If you stick around long enough you might even get to see one of them carrying the paperwork off to the bathroom so they can wipe their ass with it before flushing it down the drain.

In what world do you think targeting cops and their families is an acceptable response to perceived corruption?  Again, I ask, how do you know everything that he claims is true?  In my original response when the Rampart scandal came to light, the perpetrators were farked and the CRASH program was shut down.  Like I said you can fight corruption without getting shooty.

Nice fanasy.
Never happen IRL.
citation? see: History

Where was anything in my post historically inaccurate?  I provided an example of what happened when corruption was found in the LAPD and uncovered, the perpetrators and their program were sacked,

Glancing Blow: I'm not saying this would be a good thing, but what if the Dormer Protection Legion started taking shots at police cars all over southern California, do we get marshal law?

No need, the next time the LAPD mows down a minority there'll be riots.

SubBass49: Glancing Blow: I'm not saying this would be a good thing, but what if the Dormer Protection Legion started taking shots at police cars all over southern California, do we get marshal law?

Long answer: Yes.

Next Q: how many (police alleged) shootings would have to occur?


/you see where I'm headed

Glancing Blow: I'm not saying this would be a good thing, but what if the Dormer Protection Legion started taking shots at police cars all over southern California, do we get marshal law?


It's an Authoritarian's wet dream.

Fail in Human Form: Glancing Blow: I'm not saying this would be a good thing, but what if the Dormer Protection Legion started taking shots at police cars all over southern California, do we get marshal law?

No need, the next time the LAPD mows down a minority there'll be riots.

Dorner has essentially lobbed the shiat in the direction of the fan...it may hit the fan based on it's own current trajectory, or the LAPD may end up helping it to get there faster.  Either way, some crazier stuff is gonna go down before this is all over...

Krieghund: Despite subby's headline, this wasn't LAPD. It was the Torrance Police Department.

And it's old news.

I came here hoping there was a lead on a vehicle Dorner is using. I haven't heard anything about vehicles missing from the Big Bear area, which leads me to suspect he's still up there.

My guess is he's either dead from hypothermia or a self inflicted bullet to the head, but they won't find the body till spring. And that may very well have been his intention.

/thats my call too. He's probably pulled into a forest trail somewhere with a bullet in his head. Pussies like this usually off themselves.  Would be a shame if the LAPD killed a few innocent folk trying to get the guy that was already dead.

Glancing Blow: SubBass49: Glancing Blow: I'm not saying this would be a good thing, but what if the Dormer Protection Legion started taking shots at police cars all over southern California, do we get marshal law?

Long answer: Yes.

Next Q: how many (police alleged) shootings would have to occur?


/you see where I'm headed

Too many conspiracy movie plots are now running through my head.  Feel like this whole thing is a screen-writer's wet dream...

It wasn't the screwup that speaks so loudly to me, even though it was an unjustifiable epic fail in every way.
It was the LAPD official response;


"The circumstances of the incident known to the responding officers would have led a reasonable officer under normal circumstances - and these were far from normal circumstances - to believe that fellow officers were being shot at and that the vehicle traveling toward them posed a serious risk. In the split seconds available to them, action was appropriate to intervene and stop the actions of the driver of that vehicle."
That is the LAPD for you; Nothing to see here, move along.

/Godspeed Dorner, and happy hunting. Please get some more of them off the streets for us, God knows no one else will.

SubBass49: Glancing Blow: I'm not saying this would be a good thing, but what if the Dormer Protection Legion started taking shots at police cars all over southern California, do we get marshal law?

Long answer: Yes.


Who would enforce this martial law?

ONE GUY has 20,000 LEO's all over SoCal wearing Depends under their Kevlar.

What would happen if there were TWO guys? 20? 200?

Glancing Blow: SubBass49: Glancing Blow: I'm not saying this would be a good thing, but what if the Dormer Protection Legion started taking shots at police cars all over southern California, do we get marshal law?

Long answer: Yes.

Next Q: how many (police alleged) shootings would have to occur?


/you see where I'm headed

This is a good question. In Utah I would suggest only one. In LA I would suggest the same. Only one old white guy.

SubBass49: Fail in Human Form: Glancing Blow: I'm not saying this would be a good thing, but what if the Dormer Protection Legion started taking shots at police cars all over southern California, do we get marshal law?

No need, the next time the LAPD mows down a minority there'll be riots.

Dorner has essentially lobbed the shiat in the direction of the fan...it may hit the fan based on it's own current trajectory, or the LAPD may end up helping it to get there faster.  Either way, some crazier stuff is gonna go down before this is all over...

Well said

Sin_City_Superhero: SubBass49:
LA Mayor just offered up a $1 million reward for info that leads to his arrest...said the money was offered up by businesses, unions, etc.

Any of that money come from the Police Union?

Most of it actually...after the mayor spoke, the LAPD chief confirmed that much.  Said it came from police organizations all over the state...

Good thing I'm not black and I don't drive a pick up truck.

PsyLord: Good thing I'm not black and I don't drive a pick up truck.

Hopefully you don't have a white Lexus with Nevada plates either...was there a BOLO for that the other evening?

SubBass49: PsyLord: Good thing I'm not black and I don't drive a pick up truck.

Hopefully you don't have a white Lexus with Nevada plates either...was there a BOLO for that the other evening?

Yep, white Lexux

Satanic_Hamster: You know what, I usually label anyone advocating violence against police officers on fark as trolls/idiots.  But at this point, I'm going to have to make two suggestions:
No one in LA leave their homes until this guy is caught.
And if you see a cop?  Shoot first.

Obama needs to deploy the army or national guard to protect the citizens of LA from the police.


Fighting fires with gasoline?

Always works well.

aerojockey: Look, I hate to be "that guy" who admits there might be teeniest possibility of a 1% justification for police brutality, but.

Based on the guy's looks and the fact that he's a surfer and that he drives a blue pick-up, I'm not so sure this guy wasn't stupid enough to get it into his head to play a little "joke" on the police after being stopped and questioned.  "So they're having manhunt.  Wouldn't it be funny if I made a beeline for the next police car I saw as if I was a suicide bomber?  Then I'd turn away at the last minute.  We'd all get a kick out of that."

This is probably not what happened.  I have no reason to believe that's what happened.  All I'm saying is, if that was what happened, it wouldn't surprise me.

... Regardless of your disclaimer, I now have a lower opinion of you as a person.

Sin_City_Superhero: SubBass49: Sin_City_Superhero: SubBass49:
LA Mayor just offered up a $1 million reward for info that leads to his arrest...said the money was offered up by businesses, unions, etc.

Any of that money come from the Police Union?

Most of it actually...after the mayor spoke, the LAPD chief confirmed that much.  Said it came from police organizations all over the state...

They'll never have to pay a dime. The money is only paid for information leading to Dorner's arrest, and they have no intention of arresting him.

Clicks "smart" button/

To all those who think that this show of violence and terrorism on the part of the cops will change anything: you are idiots. It will change things alright; this type of random, psychotic violence on the part of the cops will be justified, legitimized, and will become standard procedure all over the country.

Amos Quito: Sin_City_Superhero: SubBass49: Sin_City_Superhero: SubBass49:
LA Mayor just offered up a $1 million reward for info that leads to his arrest...said the money was offered up by businesses, unions, etc.

Any of that money come from the Police Union?

Most of it actually...after the mayor spoke, the LAPD chief confirmed that much.  Said it came from police organizations all over the state...

They'll never have to pay a dime. The money is only paid for information leading to Dorner's arrest, and they have no intention of arresting him.

Clicks "smart" button/

Well...that was fun:   Can't find that article. Tastes like chicken.

Lost Thought 00: SubBass49: [25.media.tumblr.com image 500x500]

LA Mayor just offered up a $1 million reward for info that leads to his arrest...said the money was offered up by businesses, unions, etc.

It will never be paid. Rewards are never actually paid out anymore. Their lawyers will find some wiggle room to get out of it

the loophole here is there won't be an arrest.

snocone: Igor Jakovsky: snocone: Igor Jakovsky: StrangeQ: Igor Jakovsky: Remember the Rampart scandal in the late 90's?  The fallout from that supposedly helped clean up the LAPD.  Maybe they've gone back to their old ways.  Im not sure who to believe here,  Why do many farkers automatically believe this guys manifesto?  Regardless, if this guy is putting hits out on LAPD and/or their families then fark him.  There are other ways to go about whistle blowing and unlawful termination without getting all shooty.

Like what?  File a report?  A complaint?  Do you really think, with the rampant police corruption in this country, that such a thing would have any effect at all?  The police have shown that they are good at one thing and one thing only: protecting their own.  They don't give a damn about you or anyone else who isn't carrying a badge.  But go ahead, blow that whistle.  If you stick around long enough you might even get to see one of them carrying the paperwork off to the bathroom so they can wipe their ass with it before flushing it down the drain.

In what world do you think targeting cops and their families is an acceptable response to perceived corruption?  Again, I ask, how do you know everything that he claims is true?  In my original response when the Rampart scandal came to light, the perpetrators were farked and the CRASH program was shut down.  Like I said you can fight corruption without getting shooty.

Nice fanasy.
Never happen IRL.
citation? see: History

Where was anything in my post historically inaccurate?  I provided an example of what happened when corruption was found in the LAPD and uncovered, the perpetrators and their program were sacked,

This must be where I came in during that movie.
Some few underlings were thrown under the bus. Like they will this time!!!
Your Environment of Corruption? No worries, mate, alive and very well.

citation: see Catholic Church Environment of Pedarasts
there are others, what is your perversion?

Well, OK except the LAPD Chief got canned along with the "underlings" and their program, .and a Catholic Church reference?  That is great.

F-14Tomcat: "When the vehicles collided, Perdue's air bag went off, blocking the view of the driver, and one officer fired three rounds."

This is a bald faced lie.  Airbags can't deploy and remain inflated. That is only something you see in movies for dramatic or comedic effect.  Airbags inflate almost instantly and deflate almost as fast. They have holes the size of half-dollars in the back of the bag.

The LAPD wouldn't lie to cover their own asses.  C'mon man!

Smeggy Smurf: We'd all be much safer if we'd just turn in our guns.  If we do that then Dorner wont have any guns either.  Oh wait, he won't comply because he knows the pigs are trigger happy fascists happy to murder you for the hell of it.

Nobody is asking law-biding citizens to hand over their guns. You're an idiot.

randomjsa: ZzeusS: I don't like innocents being hurt, but this thing with corrupt police offers being hunted? Total enjoyment.

It's just a shame that he isn't some far right winger instead of a left winger... Because then he would be MONSTER.

Gonna agree with randomjsa, for once. If the man is guilty of what he is accused of, then he is a farking psycho and needs to be locked up or put down. He may have a point about the LAPD, and the LAPD may be proving his points succinctly, but f*ck that guy. Let's not at all glorify his actions.

LavenderWolf: Smeggy Smurf: We'd all be much safer if we'd just turn in our guns.  If we do that then Dorner wont have any guns either.  Oh wait, he won't comply because he knows the pigs are trigger happy fascists happy to murder you for the hell of it.

Nobody is asking law-biding citizens to hand over their guns. You're an idiot.

Um, the California State Senate is brewing up a bill that does just that.

A cop buddy of mine told me about 20 years ago that the cops from the generation before him almost always went into the job for the power and authority.  He even joked that they were identifiable by big, mountain-gorilla guts and mustaches.  His generation generally went into the cop profession to help people (he was a journalist first, but a journalist sees the bad stuff and can't do anything about it like a cop can).  But this is a suburb of Kansas City, and nothing like LA or Chicago where, he said, almost nobody wants to be a cop except for the power/authority freaks.  We can attrition-out of the power freaks, given time, but can LA?

And who thinks that the LAPD re-opening his grievance case will produce anything worthwhile?  It should be the California Bureau of Investigation (or whatever they're BI is called) or the FBI if the Fed can be given jurisdiction.  If the LAPD (and maybe surrounding PDs as well) are even a little bit as dysfunctional, corrupt, and dangerous as he claims, they can't be the ones to do the investigation.  Don't get me wrong, his exposure of the Departments' possible screwedupness is good, but he's done it in about the worst possible way.  No excusing his choice of methods to alert us.

I don't know what Dorner's history or military training is, but he could go to ground for a week or two, pop up and kill a cop or two, then drop out again.  He'd probably have to have help to do that, but it fits his Robin Hood role.  If he decides to give himself up, which is only likely so he can have his literal day in court, he can only do it by contacting an attorney who will be by his side with cameras and journalists to make sure he doesn't 'suicide' and makes it to court.  I hope he does that before he kills again.

Popcorn Johnny: Lost Thought 00: Also, it should be a minimum 20 year sentence for any officer who discharges their weapon without visual confirmation of an armed attacker

That's just flat out farking ridiculous.  How about we give you 20 years in prison when you make a mistake at work?

This is why the smart and funny buttons aren't sufficient.  Fark needs a stupid button, too!

MrHappyRotter: Popcorn Johnny: Lost Thought 00: Also, it should be a minimum 20 year sentence for any officer who discharges their weapon without visual confirmation of an armed attacker

That's just flat out farking ridiculous.  How about we give you 20 years in prison when you make a mistake at work?

This is why the smart and funny buttons aren't sufficient.  Fark needs a stupid button, too!

THIS

MrHappyRotter: Popcorn Johnny: Lost Thought 00: Also, it should be a minimum 20 year sentence for any officer who discharges their weapon without visual confirmation of an armed attacker

That's just flat out farking ridiculous.  How about we give you 20 years in prison when you make a mistake at work?

This is why the smart and funny buttons aren't sufficient.  Fark needs a stupid button, too!

Fair enough, I expect the same treatment though.  The example I posted in another thread was having a restraining order against a person with a hit lit who started taking out targets.  If I light up the wrong person I expect the same consideration from prosecution as you're willing to give them.