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(Time)   Researcher: "Marijuana users have double the risk of stroke." Data: "All but 1 marijuana user also tested positive for nicotine". TFA: "Cigarettes quadruple risk of stroke." Math: "Study suggests marijuana halves risk of stroke in smokers"   (healthland.time.com) divider line 26
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2013-02-10 03:08:50 PM
6 votes:
The study, however, could not separate tobacco smokers from marijuana smokers, because all but one of those testing positive for marijuana in the urine also showed signs of nicotine. Still, Barber said to Everyday Health "We know cannabis can cause changes in blood pressure and heart rate that are associated with increased stroke risk. Importantly, it can also cause heart palpitations, [a sign of atrial fibrillation]. And atrial fibrillation is very strongly associated with stroke."

but you don't know that, because you weren't able to screen out anyone who also was a tobacco smoker/user.  that destroys your entire study.
2013-02-10 02:46:19 PM
5 votes:
Dudes, just get high. Stop insisting on rationalizing it.

/tired of hearing about how weed cures AIDS and keeps you hard 24/7 and has riboflavin
2013-02-10 03:38:34 PM
4 votes:
Not this chit again!!!
facepalm until it hurts, a lot

For all of recorded history, mankind has used and appreciated marijuana, one of the safest plants and psychoactive chemical families on the planet.
Almost as if we were made to go together.

The rest is bullchit to steal your money and fund Nanny.
2013-02-10 03:46:48 PM
3 votes:

snocone: Weaver95: Mugato: Dudes, just get high. Stop insisting on rationalizing it.

/tired of hearing about how weed cures AIDS and keeps you hard 24/7 and has riboflavin

I think what most people find irritating is this weird obsession from anti-cannabis folks corrupting science to support their hard line political views.  its like they're actively avoiding unbiased studies of the substance.

That alone should tell you something, but "the Deniers" are immune to self recognition.
"It is not Crap when We say it!"


the few valid unbiased studies that did manage to get done all come to the same conclusion - cannabis is (relatively speaking) rather harmless.  certainly less so than liquor and tobacco.  it even has agricultural and medical uses, as well as recreational ones.  is it completely harmless?  well I don't think anything in this world is ever completely harmless....drink enough water and it'll kill you after all.  as far as practical concerns, cannabis is about as harmless as yer gonna get.  But even if you don't want to believe that, then you still have to believe this - cannabis doesn't fit the requirements to be a Schedule I substance.  even the DEA admits this fact....they just tell you to STFU and stop asking about it 'cause they're not gonna change.
2013-02-10 03:41:32 PM
3 votes:

Mugato: Dudes, just get high. Stop insisting on rationalizing it.

/tired of hearing about how weed cures AIDS and keeps you hard 24/7 and has riboflavin


The only reason there are this many people trying to rationalize it, is because it is still farking illegal, and mindless asshats still believe it is dangerous due to what their parents saw when watching Reefer Madness.
2013-02-10 03:11:12 PM
3 votes:

Mugato: Dudes, just get high. Stop insisting on rationalizing it.

/tired of hearing about how weed cures AIDS and keeps you hard 24/7 and has riboflavin


I think what most people find irritating is this weird obsession from anti-cannabis folks corrupting science to support their hard line political views.  its like they're actively avoiding unbiased studies of the substance.
2013-02-10 10:02:15 PM
2 votes:
I smoke medicinal weed everyday. I use certian strains for focus, to be alert, certian ones for pain and nasua relief. One does not work or fix the other. IT really IS the best medicine esp. if you mix/match/really understand your strains. I don't nap and eat junk food all day. I work hard, work out daily despite the broken leg less than a year ago from a truck hitting me, it helps with the cognitive and emotional issues that linger from that and previous issues. IT really is that and crisps. Sorry if you think this makes me a bad person. Vicodin farks with me badly, most pain pills make me a zombie or vomit, as well as fark with the medicine I take for minor brain damage. Im 31, trying to start a family, and relativly normal. I smoke weed. I was an acholhic from 22-28. I now drink a beer once evry 3 or 4 months if that. My fiance has a jaw with injuries from an abusive ex bf and was a drinker too, until I introduced her to weed last year. She has now stopped drinking cold turkey, maintains a steady job, and sleeps better at night than she has in years.

TLDR; take your brownie comments and eat a bag of dicks.
2013-02-10 06:08:27 PM
2 votes:
all of the pot smokers I know are also tobacco smokers.  they also drink lots of coffee, and energy drinks.

probably a lot of doritos besides.

and booze, they drink a lot of hard alcohol.

why is weed the one everyone picks on?
2013-02-10 04:59:43 PM
2 votes:

bobtheallmighty: detritus: tweek46420: detritus: Stop smoking it, ya dingus!

Its only really twice the ammount if you're an idiot in the first place. Rolling joints wastes alot of weed compared to say a properly packed gravity bong. That and every vape I have tried has fallen flat compared to the high I get off a good bong or pipe rip, and I dont need to be plugged into a wall. (yes I know there are portable vapes, I own one, they are meh) and yes I have even vsped from the Volcano, its still just "ok" compared to smoking the stuff.


Yeah, the constricting of blood vessels, lack of oxygen and endless coughing really adds to the high.

You can also take the vaporized weed and extract the remaining thc in butter instead of turning it into ash and soot, and if you use a hose with a vaporizer, it collects a nice golden brown layer of pure honey-like resin that doesn't taste like ass that you can extract.  Sorry, I did the bong/pipe culture, it took a little getting used to but I'd never look back.  What would fill up a bowl for 3-4 hits becomes 20-30.  I cut my consumption in half and argue that I get even more ripped.
Also, you should be plugged into a wall.  Do it indoors.  Cuts down your chances of getting in legal trouble exponentially.
2013-02-10 04:00:57 PM
2 votes:

thenumber5: snocone: Not this chit again!!!
facepalm until it hurts, a lot

For all of recorded history, mankind has used and appreciated marijuana, one of the safest plants and psychoactive chemical families on the planet.
Almost as if we were made to go together.

The rest is bullchit to steal your money and fund Nanny.

if you feel your life sucks so much you have to get high to make it to the next day, good for you

but stop acting like the rest of humanity is some how missing out on naping and eating


No one said you're missing out.  In fact, no one cares at all about you or what you do.

I think what he was saying was more along the lines of "get your nose out of my farking business and let me enjoy whatever harmless enjoyment I want in the privacy of my own home."
2013-02-10 03:45:48 PM
2 votes:
Stop smoking it, ya dingus!

i.imgur.com

Stupid hippies and their bong/joint culture.  Keep the weed, remove hippies.
2013-02-10 03:34:40 PM
2 votes:
In the end, it will be found that MJ has absolutely zero effect on a person's risk of a stroke and that many dollars were wasted trying to support a political stance.  If that will be publicized is anybody's guess.
2013-02-10 03:31:18 PM
2 votes:
And the fact that those who smoked more marijuana had less risk means that it might have had some protective effect - if it turned out that they smoked cigarettes at the same rate.

/bad study is bad
2013-02-11 05:07:07 AM
1 votes:

Mugato: Dudes, just get high. Stop insisting on rationalizing it.

/tired of hearing about how weed cures AIDS and keeps you hard 24/7 and has riboflavin


I don't get high, but I am very much an advocate of medical marijuana. It saved my cat's life when he was diagnosed with early-stage small-cell lymphoma of the stomach lining. He was at death's door, and we tried every medication on the veterinary list, plus a few human meds to reduce his nausea and stimulate his appetite - nothing worked, not even the latest, greatest human drug which cost me $50 a tablet. As a last stab before euthanasia, I suggested trying pot. The vet shrugged and said we had nothing to lose. I gave it to him, and he immediately stopped showing symptoms of nausea. Within two weeks, we were able to take out his e-tube, as he was eating on his own and gaining weight. We were then able to put him on chemo to treat the lymphoma. He's alive now, nearly 4 years later, all thanks to marijuana.

Legalise it.
2013-02-11 12:21:24 AM
1 votes:

Jument: vd61: I smoke medicinal weed everyday. I use certian strains for focus, to be alert, certian ones for pain and nasua relief. One does not work or fix the other. IT really IS the best medicine esp. if you mix/match/really understand your strains. I don't nap and eat junk food all day. I work hard, work out daily despite the broken leg less than a year ago from a truck hitting me, it helps with the cognitive and emotional issues that linger from that and previous issues. IT really is that and crisps. Sorry if you think this makes me a bad person. Vicodin farks with me badly, most pain pills make me a zombie or vomit, as well as fark with the medicine I take for minor brain damage. Im 31, trying to start a family, and relativly normal. I smoke weed. I was an acholhic from 22-28. I now drink a beer once evry 3 or 4 months if that. My fiance has a jaw with injuries from an abusive ex bf and was a drinker too, until I introduced her to weed last year. She has now stopped drinking cold turkey, maintains a steady job, and sleeps better at night than she has in years.

TLDR; take your brownie comments and eat a bag of dicks.

If you're saying that weed makes you more alert and basically smarter, well I don't play a scientist on TV but bullshiat.


Different strains exist to target specific ailments, and not to just achieve a high. The treatment for ADHD is to ply the brain with stimulation. Its not unreasonable to assume certain individuals would benefit from a dose of thc to relieve anxiety thusly increasing that persons ability to focus and function at a normal rate.
2013-02-10 07:12:52 PM
1 votes:

Mugato: Dudes, just get high. Stop insisting on rationalizing it.

/tired of hearing about how weed cures AIDS and keeps you hard 24/7 and has riboflavin


Poor baby.  You know what else is annoying?

Going to jail for an activity that is much less harmful than many legal activities.  Maybe you should try it and get some perspective.  (Going to jail, not smoking pot.)
2013-02-10 05:26:35 PM
1 votes:
Didn't read the article, but if subby is interpreting it correctly, it seems to me that this study shows that people who smoke weed are very likely to use tobacco, too.  Which seems accurate to me based purely on my own experience.
2013-02-10 04:57:09 PM
1 votes:

The Angry Hand of God: Just because you don't put an open flame to it, doesn't mean you aren't burning it.


On the contrary; that's *exactly* what it means.  "Burning" implies some kind of combustion / oxidation.  In the case of pot, the burning plant-matter provides heat that vaporizes some of the active THC (while destroying the rest of it in the process).

If you're simply heating a chemical until it vaporizes without combustion, that is not "burning" -- unless you also consider boiling water into steam to be "burning" the water.  ...because the principle is the same.
2013-02-10 04:37:23 PM
1 votes:

The Angry Hand of God: detritus: tweek46420: detritus: Stop smoking it, ya dingus!

[i.imgur.com image 358x358]

Stupid hippies and their bong/joint culture.  Keep the weed, remove hippies.

not everyone has $600 to spend on a vaporizer

/and screw you...hippies grow great weed and can still get LSD

Hippies would prefer you smoke it because you use literally twice the amount you would need with a vaporizer.  The vaporizer would pay for itself, but it would require you to get out of your haze and stop buying weed for a while to do it.  Since it's not addictive, what's your excuse?

I wouldn't at all say that a vaporizer cuts your weed consumption in half.  On top of it, I still consider vaporizing smoking.  Just because you don't put an open flame to it, doesn't mean you aren't burning it.


520 degrees is when it starts burning, releasing known carcinogens from smoke.  Vaporization temperatures are far less than that.  No flame = no combustion = no smoke.  It is not smoking, it's vaporizing.  Marijuana smoke has known carcinogens, just like cigarettes.  Marijuana vapor does not.
2013-02-10 04:33:12 PM
1 votes:

VTGremlin: Weaver95: Still, Barber said to Everyday Health "We know cannabis can cause changes in blood pressure and heart rate that are associated with increased stroke risk.

I can't comment on the stroke risk, but it most definitely increases blood flow for me. A lot. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal though.


Actual data supports that evidence, as well. As a consequence of increased blood flow, and dilation of the blood vessels, smoking weed actually makes your lungs function more efficiently.
2013-02-10 04:31:29 PM
1 votes:

Mugato: Dudes, just get high. Stop insisting on rationalizing it.

/tired of hearing about how weed cures AIDS and keeps you hard 24/7 and has riboflavin


I don't need to rationalize it. I often smoke it for recreational purposes. Far more often than I use it medicinally.

Nonetheless, I started as a medicinal user, for pain relief from a severe injury that plagues me to this day.

Acting like everyone who has a reason other than "for fun" is just rationalizing it is absurdly naive.
2013-02-10 04:21:24 PM
1 votes:

tweek46420: detritus: Stop smoking it, ya dingus!

[i.imgur.com image 358x358]

Stupid hippies and their bong/joint culture.  Keep the weed, remove hippies.

not everyone has $600 to spend on a vaporizer

/and screw you...hippies grow great weed and can still get LSD


Hippies would prefer you smoke it because you use literally twice the amount you would need with a vaporizer.  The vaporizer would pay for itself, but it would require you to get out of your haze and stop buying weed for a while to do it.  Since it's not addictive, what's your excuse?
2013-02-10 04:17:05 PM
1 votes:

thenumber5: snocone: Not this chit again!!!
facepalm until it hurts, a lot

For all of recorded history, mankind has used and appreciated marijuana, one of the safest plants and psychoactive chemical families on the planet.
Almost as if we were made to go together.

The rest is bullchit to steal your money and fund Nanny.

if you feel your life sucks so much you have to get high to make it to the next day, good for you

but stop acting like the rest of humanity is some how missing out on naping and eating


Oh, you like a diet of lies and bullchit.
Now, I understand.
My life definately does not suck so much I NEED to force prohibition on anyfarkinbody, unlike the sociopathic mindset you represent.
2013-02-10 03:51:32 PM
1 votes:

detritus: Stop smoking it, ya dingus!

[i.imgur.com image 358x358]

Stupid hippies and their bong/joint culture.  Keep the weed, remove hippies.


not everyone has $600 to spend on a vaporizer

/and screw you...hippies grow great weed and can still get LSD
2013-02-10 03:40:51 PM
1 votes:

trapped-in-CH: They should put MJ in cigarettes.

/marketing genius


Definately NOT!
Don't let them fark up a good thing. When the marketers/pushers get done with it, you will not be able to recognize the adulterated stuff and IT WILL BE BAD FOR YOU THEN.
2013-02-10 03:35:32 PM
1 votes:
Headline suggests subby failed statistics.
 
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