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(Time)   Researcher: "Marijuana users have double the risk of stroke." Data: "All but 1 marijuana user also tested positive for nicotine". TFA: "Cigarettes quadruple risk of stroke." Math: "Study suggests marijuana halves risk of stroke in smokers"   ( healthland.time.com) divider line
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2013-02-10 02:46:19 PM  
Dudes, just get high. Stop insisting on rationalizing it.

/tired of hearing about how weed cures AIDS and keeps you hard 24/7 and has riboflavin
 
2013-02-10 03:08:50 PM  
The study, however, could not separate tobacco smokers from marijuana smokers, because all but one of those testing positive for marijuana in the urine also showed signs of nicotine. Still, Barber said to Everyday Health "We know cannabis can cause changes in blood pressure and heart rate that are associated with increased stroke risk. Importantly, it can also cause heart palpitations, [a sign of atrial fibrillation]. And atrial fibrillation is very strongly associated with stroke."

but you don't know that, because you weren't able to screen out anyone who also was a tobacco smoker/user.  that destroys your entire study.
 
2013-02-10 03:11:12 PM  

Mugato: Dudes, just get high. Stop insisting on rationalizing it.

/tired of hearing about how weed cures AIDS and keeps you hard 24/7 and has riboflavin


I think what most people find irritating is this weird obsession from anti-cannabis folks corrupting science to support their hard line political views.  its like they're actively avoiding unbiased studies of the substance.
 
2013-02-10 03:23:28 PM  
That headline's too complicated man. I need another toke.
 
2013-02-10 03:26:36 PM  
If they smoke, they stroke
 
2013-02-10 03:26:45 PM  

Mugato: Dudes, just get high. Stop insisting on rationalizing it.

/tired of hearing about how weed cures AIDS and keeps you hard 24/7 and has riboflavin


oddly enough my Mary Jane PF Flyers make me run faster, jump higher and score with more cheerleaders after teh big game!
 
2013-02-10 03:28:00 PM  
They should put MJ in cigarettes.

/marketing genius
 
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2013-02-10 03:30:17 PM  
who agreed to have their urine tested for marijuana within 72 hours of the stroke

Study shows tobacco smoking pot smokers are more likely to agree to urine tests.
 
2013-02-10 03:31:18 PM  
And the fact that those who smoked more marijuana had less risk means that it might have had some protective effect - if it turned out that they smoked cigarettes at the same rate.

/bad study is bad
 
2013-02-10 03:31:48 PM  
The hot box is now the stroke box.
 
2013-02-10 03:34:40 PM  
In the end, it will be found that MJ has absolutely zero effect on a person's risk of a stroke and that many dollars were wasted trying to support a political stance.  If that will be publicized is anybody's guess.
 
2013-02-10 03:35:32 PM  
Headline suggests subby failed statistics.
 
2013-02-10 03:36:45 PM  
My GPA would had been a tad bit higher if I had done better on my urine tests.
 
2013-02-10 03:38:34 PM  
Not this chit again!!!
facepalm until it hurts, a lot

For all of recorded history, mankind has used and appreciated marijuana, one of the safest plants and psychoactive chemical families on the planet.
Almost as if we were made to go together.

The rest is bullchit to steal your money and fund Nanny.
 
2013-02-10 03:40:51 PM  

trapped-in-CH: They should put MJ in cigarettes.

/marketing genius


Definately NOT!
Don't let them fark up a good thing. When the marketers/pushers get done with it, you will not be able to recognize the adulterated stuff and IT WILL BE BAD FOR YOU THEN.
 
2013-02-10 03:41:32 PM  

Mugato: Dudes, just get high. Stop insisting on rationalizing it.

/tired of hearing about how weed cures AIDS and keeps you hard 24/7 and has riboflavin


The only reason there are this many people trying to rationalize it, is because it is still farking illegal, and mindless asshats still believe it is dangerous due to what their parents saw when watching Reefer Madness.
 
2013-02-10 03:42:00 PM  

Weaver95: The study, however, could not separate tobacco smokers from marijuana smokers, because all but one of those testing positive for marijuana in the urine also showed signs of nicotine. Still, Barber said to Everyday Health "We know cannabis can cause changes in blood pressure and heart rate that are associated with increased stroke risk. Importantly, it can also cause heart palpitations, [a sign of atrial fibrillation]. And atrial fibrillation is very strongly associated with stroke."

but you don't know that, because you weren't able to screen out anyone who also was a tobacco smoker/user.  that destroys your entire study.


No, when your patient population is "people who agree to be tested for illicit drugs," your study is already destroyed.
 
2013-02-10 03:42:53 PM  

Weaver95: Mugato: Dudes, just get high. Stop insisting on rationalizing it.

/tired of hearing about how weed cures AIDS and keeps you hard 24/7 and has riboflavin

I think what most people find irritating is this weird obsession from anti-cannabis folks corrupting science to support their hard line political views.  its like they're actively avoiding unbiased studies of the substance.


That alone should tell you something, but "the Deniers" are immune to self recognition.
"It is not Crap when We say it!"
 
2013-02-10 03:44:21 PM  

snocone: Not this chit again!!!
facepalm until it hurts, a lot

For all of recorded history, mankind has used and appreciated marijuana, one of the safest plants and psychoactive chemical families on the planet.
Almost as if we were made to go together.

The rest is bullchit to steal your money and fund Nanny.


if you feel your life sucks so much you have to get high to make it to the next day, good for you

but stop acting like the rest of humanity is some how missing out on naping and eating
 
2013-02-10 03:45:48 PM  
Stop smoking it, ya dingus!

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Stupid hippies and their bong/joint culture.  Keep the weed, remove hippies.
 
2013-02-10 03:46:48 PM  

snocone: Weaver95: Mugato: Dudes, just get high. Stop insisting on rationalizing it.

/tired of hearing about how weed cures AIDS and keeps you hard 24/7 and has riboflavin

I think what most people find irritating is this weird obsession from anti-cannabis folks corrupting science to support their hard line political views.  its like they're actively avoiding unbiased studies of the substance.

That alone should tell you something, but "the Deniers" are immune to self recognition.
"It is not Crap when We say it!"


the few valid unbiased studies that did manage to get done all come to the same conclusion - cannabis is (relatively speaking) rather harmless.  certainly less so than liquor and tobacco.  it even has agricultural and medical uses, as well as recreational ones.  is it completely harmless?  well I don't think anything in this world is ever completely harmless....drink enough water and it'll kill you after all.  as far as practical concerns, cannabis is about as harmless as yer gonna get.  But even if you don't want to believe that, then you still have to believe this - cannabis doesn't fit the requirements to be a Schedule I substance.  even the DEA admits this fact....they just tell you to STFU and stop asking about it 'cause they're not gonna change.
 
2013-02-10 03:51:32 PM  

detritus: Stop smoking it, ya dingus!

[i.imgur.com image 358x358]

Stupid hippies and their bong/joint culture.  Keep the weed, remove hippies.


not everyone has $600 to spend on a vaporizer

/and screw you...hippies grow great weed and can still get LSD
 
2013-02-10 04:00:57 PM  

thenumber5: snocone: Not this chit again!!!
facepalm until it hurts, a lot

For all of recorded history, mankind has used and appreciated marijuana, one of the safest plants and psychoactive chemical families on the planet.
Almost as if we were made to go together.

The rest is bullchit to steal your money and fund Nanny.

if you feel your life sucks so much you have to get high to make it to the next day, good for you

but stop acting like the rest of humanity is some how missing out on naping and eating


No one said you're missing out.  In fact, no one cares at all about you or what you do.

I think what he was saying was more along the lines of "get your nose out of my farking business and let me enjoy whatever harmless enjoyment I want in the privacy of my own home."
 
2013-02-10 04:07:15 PM  
So wait has my smoking pot canceled out the effects of smoking cigarettes as far a strokes go?
/Oh dear I've gone cross eyed.
 
2013-02-10 04:07:57 PM  

Weaver95: The study, however, could not separate tobacco smokers from marijuana smokers, because all but one of those testing positive for marijuana in the urine also showed signs of nicotine. Still, Barber said to Everyday Health "We know cannabis can cause changes in blood pressure and heart rate that are associated with increased stroke risk. Importantly, it can also cause heart palpitations, [a sign of atrial fibrillation]. And atrial fibrillation is very strongly associated with stroke."

but you don't know that, because you weren't able to screen out anyone who also was a tobacco smoker/user.  that destroys your entire study.


But the could legitimately compare smokers of cigarettes with smokers of cigarettes and marijuana. If the latter group has better health, that might suggest that marijuana produces some beneficial effects that counters the negative effects of nicotine, or the combination of nicotine and THC is not as bad a nicotine itself.

I do know some people who smoke weed but not cigarettes. Not many. (Well, I don't know many people who smoke weed, nor many people who smoke in general.)
 
2013-02-10 04:10:20 PM  
Control for age, subby, and then we'll talk.
 
2013-02-10 04:17:05 PM  

thenumber5: snocone: Not this chit again!!!
facepalm until it hurts, a lot

For all of recorded history, mankind has used and appreciated marijuana, one of the safest plants and psychoactive chemical families on the planet.
Almost as if we were made to go together.

The rest is bullchit to steal your money and fund Nanny.

if you feel your life sucks so much you have to get high to make it to the next day, good for you

but stop acting like the rest of humanity is some how missing out on naping and eating


Oh, you like a diet of lies and bullchit.
Now, I understand.
My life definately does not suck so much I NEED to force prohibition on anyfarkinbody, unlike the sociopathic mindset you represent.
 
2013-02-10 04:21:24 PM  

tweek46420: detritus: Stop smoking it, ya dingus!

[i.imgur.com image 358x358]

Stupid hippies and their bong/joint culture.  Keep the weed, remove hippies.

not everyone has $600 to spend on a vaporizer

/and screw you...hippies grow great weed and can still get LSD


Hippies would prefer you smoke it because you use literally twice the amount you would need with a vaporizer.  The vaporizer would pay for itself, but it would require you to get out of your haze and stop buying weed for a while to do it.  Since it's not addictive, what's your excuse?
 
2013-02-10 04:25:40 PM  

detritus: tweek46420: detritus: Stop smoking it, ya dingus!

[i.imgur.com image 358x358]

Stupid hippies and their bong/joint culture.  Keep the weed, remove hippies.

not everyone has $600 to spend on a vaporizer

/and screw you...hippies grow great weed and can still get LSD

Hippies would prefer you smoke it because you use literally twice the amount you would need with a vaporizer.  The vaporizer would pay for itself, but it would require you to get out of your haze and stop buying weed for a while to do it.  Since it's not addictive, what's your excuse?


I wouldn't at all say that a vaporizer cuts your weed consumption in half.  On top of it, I still consider vaporizing smoking.  Just because you don't put an open flame to it, doesn't mean you aren't burning it.
 
2013-02-10 04:26:08 PM  
O-bla-di, o-bla-da, life goes on, brah!...
Lala how the life goes on.
 
2013-02-10 04:29:45 PM  
Has anyone had any success with making a e-cig into a one hit vaporizer?
 
2013-02-10 04:31:18 PM  

Weaver95: Still, Barber said to Everyday Health "We know cannabis can cause changes in blood pressure and heart rate that are associated with increased stroke risk.


I can't comment on the stroke risk, but it most definitely increases blood flow for me. A lot. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal though.
 
2013-02-10 04:31:29 PM  

Mugato: Dudes, just get high. Stop insisting on rationalizing it.

/tired of hearing about how weed cures AIDS and keeps you hard 24/7 and has riboflavin


I don't need to rationalize it. I often smoke it for recreational purposes. Far more often than I use it medicinally.

Nonetheless, I started as a medicinal user, for pain relief from a severe injury that plagues me to this day.

Acting like everyone who has a reason other than "for fun" is just rationalizing it is absurdly naive.
 
2013-02-10 04:33:12 PM  

VTGremlin: Weaver95: Still, Barber said to Everyday Health "We know cannabis can cause changes in blood pressure and heart rate that are associated with increased stroke risk.

I can't comment on the stroke risk, but it most definitely increases blood flow for me. A lot. Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal though.


Actual data supports that evidence, as well. As a consequence of increased blood flow, and dilation of the blood vessels, smoking weed actually makes your lungs function more efficiently.
 
2013-02-10 04:34:18 PM  

detritus: tweek46420: detritus: Stop smoking it, ya dingus!

[i.imgur.com image 358x358]

Stupid hippies and their bong/joint culture.  Keep the weed, remove hippies.

not everyone has $600 to spend on a vaporizer

/and screw you...hippies grow great weed and can still get LSD

Hippies would prefer you smoke it because you use literally twice the amount you would need with a vaporizer.  The vaporizer would pay for itself, but it would require you to get out of your haze and stop buying weed for a while to do it.  Since it's not addictive, what's your excuse?


Some people just have a preference for smoking it. I prefer blunts, myself.
 
2013-02-10 04:34:45 PM  

LavenderWolf: I don't need to rationalize it. I often smoke it for recreational purposes. Far more often than I use it medicinally.


I smoke cause it's fun and a nice stress reliever,my fiance smokes for the same reason BUT it does relieve the pressure on his eyes from glaucoma and his numerous back problems. Since he's an epileptic his seizure meds interact poorly with pain meds,no relief and he just pukes all night til he seizures out if he takes opioids. Pot on the other hand give him relief and relaxation.
 
2013-02-10 04:37:23 PM  

The Angry Hand of God: detritus: tweek46420: detritus: Stop smoking it, ya dingus!

[i.imgur.com image 358x358]

Stupid hippies and their bong/joint culture.  Keep the weed, remove hippies.

not everyone has $600 to spend on a vaporizer

/and screw you...hippies grow great weed and can still get LSD

Hippies would prefer you smoke it because you use literally twice the amount you would need with a vaporizer.  The vaporizer would pay for itself, but it would require you to get out of your haze and stop buying weed for a while to do it.  Since it's not addictive, what's your excuse?

I wouldn't at all say that a vaporizer cuts your weed consumption in half.  On top of it, I still consider vaporizing smoking.  Just because you don't put an open flame to it, doesn't mean you aren't burning it.


520 degrees is when it starts burning, releasing known carcinogens from smoke.  Vaporization temperatures are far less than that.  No flame = no combustion = no smoke.  It is not smoking, it's vaporizing.  Marijuana smoke has known carcinogens, just like cigarettes.  Marijuana vapor does not.
 
2013-02-10 04:37:41 PM  

The Angry Hand of God: I wouldn't at all say that a vaporizer cuts your weed consumption in half.  On top of it, I still consider vaporizing smoking.  Just because you don't put an open flame to it, doesn't mean you aren't burning it.


I'd say it cuts is by more than half, tbh. And if you go even more potent/efficient, the scale gets absurd. I bought a gram of wax for $30 damn near six months ago, and I've probably got another two weeks of it left with use ~3 times a week. The case of Fat Tire I bought last weekend was gone in three days.

And though I'm not 100% positive, I think by definition vaporizing means you aren't burning it.
 
2013-02-10 04:38:40 PM  
So a badly designed study. If they had simply removed the cigarette users they would have found out that it wasn't the cigarettes causing the stroke.
 
2013-02-10 04:40:13 PM  

Mugato: Dudes, just get high. Stop insisting on rationalizing it.

/tired of hearing about how weed cures AIDS and keeps you hard 24/7 and has riboflavin


Exactly. All I hear is how hemp is great for rope and all that crap but you don't have to prove anything to me. I don't judge so don't give me the pre-written bullcrap.
 
2013-02-10 04:40:35 PM  
As a sufferer of a severe ulcer in my stomach, I don't know what I'd do without mary jane to help me out.
 
2013-02-10 04:45:05 PM  

detritus: tweek46420: detritus: Stop smoking it, ya dingus!

[i.imgur.com image 358x358]

Stupid hippies and their bong/joint culture.  Keep the weed, remove hippies.

not everyone has $600 to spend on a vaporizer

/and screw you...hippies grow great weed and can still get LSD

Hippies would prefer you smoke it because you use literally twice the amount you would need with a vaporizer.  The vaporizer would pay for itself, but it would require you to get out of your haze and stop buying weed for a while to do it.  Since it's not addictive, what's your excuse?


Its only really twice the ammount if you're an idiot in the first place. Rolling joints wastes alot of weed compared to say a properly packed gravity bong. That and every vape I have tried has fallen flat compared to the high I get off a good bong or pipe rip, and I dont need to be plugged into a wall. (yes I know there are portable vapes, I own one, they are meh) and yes I have even vsped from the Volcano, its still just "ok" compared to smoking the stuff.
 
2013-02-10 04:49:10 PM  

tweek46420: detritus: Stop smoking it, ya dingus!

[i.imgur.com image 358x358]

Stupid hippies and their bong/joint culture.  Keep the weed, remove hippies.

not everyone has $600 to spend on a vaporizer


Arizer Extreme, ~$160 shipped, does everything that a volcano does.  That's about 75% off.  I also failed to mention that the odor is far, far less with vaporizers.
 
2013-02-10 04:49:43 PM  

detritus: tweek46420: detritus: Stop smoking it, ya dingus!

[i.imgur.com image 358x358]

Stupid hippies and their bong/joint culture.  Keep the weed, remove hippies.

not everyone has $600 to spend on a vaporizer

/and screw you...hippies grow great weed and can still get LSD

Hippies would prefer you smoke it because you use literally twice the amount you would need with a vaporizer.  The vaporizer would pay for itself, but it would require you to get out of your haze and stop buying weed for a while to do it.  Since it's not addictive, what's your excuse?


because while vaping is nice...I kind of like the taste of a nice bowl

I also like dabs of oil
 
2013-02-10 04:50:08 PM  

trapped-in-CH: They should put MJ in cigarettes.

/marketing genius


"They" do -- it's called a joint.  Brilliant!
 
2013-02-10 04:57:09 PM  

The Angry Hand of God: Just because you don't put an open flame to it, doesn't mean you aren't burning it.


On the contrary; that's *exactly* what it means.  "Burning" implies some kind of combustion / oxidation.  In the case of pot, the burning plant-matter provides heat that vaporizes some of the active THC (while destroying the rest of it in the process).

If you're simply heating a chemical until it vaporizes without combustion, that is not "burning" -- unless you also consider boiling water into steam to be "burning" the water.  ...because the principle is the same.
 
2013-02-10 04:59:43 PM  

bobtheallmighty: detritus: tweek46420: detritus: Stop smoking it, ya dingus!

Its only really twice the ammount if you're an idiot in the first place. Rolling joints wastes alot of weed compared to say a properly packed gravity bong. That and every vape I have tried has fallen flat compared to the high I get off a good bong or pipe rip, and I dont need to be plugged into a wall. (yes I know there are portable vapes, I own one, they are meh) and yes I have even vsped from the Volcano, its still just "ok" compared to smoking the stuff.


Yeah, the constricting of blood vessels, lack of oxygen and endless coughing really adds to the high.

You can also take the vaporized weed and extract the remaining thc in butter instead of turning it into ash and soot, and if you use a hose with a vaporizer, it collects a nice golden brown layer of pure honey-like resin that doesn't taste like ass that you can extract.  Sorry, I did the bong/pipe culture, it took a little getting used to but I'd never look back.  What would fill up a bowl for 3-4 hits becomes 20-30.  I cut my consumption in half and argue that I get even more ripped.
Also, you should be plugged into a wall.  Do it indoors.  Cuts down your chances of getting in legal trouble exponentially.
 
2013-02-10 05:04:29 PM  
I don't know how things are today, but, 25-ish years ago, when I was in college and knew a fair number of pot smokers, it was very rare to find someone who smoked weed but not tobacco.  I would suspect that with the decline in tobacco smoking, especially among those with at least a college education, it's more common to find people who smoke weed but not tobacco these days, but that's only a guess.
 
2013-02-10 05:24:31 PM  

Mugato: Dudes, just get high. Stop insisting on rationalizing it.


Yes please. It's not going to make you a better person or healthier or give you world peace, etc. Please, please stop trying to claim that pot is all that and a bag of crisps.

/I will stick to red wine
//because it's good for my heart!
 
2013-02-10 05:26:35 PM  
Didn't read the article, but if subby is interpreting it correctly, it seems to me that this study shows that people who smoke weed are very likely to use tobacco, too.  Which seems accurate to me based purely on my own experience.
 
2013-02-10 05:40:19 PM  
its a different high with the vaporizor, and a different taste. i prefer an old fashioned bong hit.
 
2013-02-10 05:46:43 PM  

detritus: Sorry, I did the bong/pipe culture, it took a little getting used to but I'd never look back.


Conversely I tried a vaporizer, found it to be too much hassle, and went back to smoking. Too much time waiting for it to heat up, too much time charging batteries, too much time not sure if I'm getting anything and then suddenly it's on fire... But I'm sure you've got a paragraph for that one, too.
 
2013-02-10 05:55:32 PM  

Jument: Mugato: Dudes, just get high. Stop insisting on rationalizing it.

Yes please. It's not going to make you a better person or healthier or give you world peace, etc. Please, please stop trying to claim that pot is all that and a bag of crisps.

/I will stick to red wine
//because it's good for my heart!


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2013-02-10 05:58:37 PM  

Mentalpatient87: detritus: Sorry, I did the bong/pipe culture, it took a little getting used to but I'd never look back.

Conversely I tried a vaporizer, found it to be too much hassle, and went back to smoking. Too much time waiting for it to heat up, too much time charging batteries, too much time not sure if I'm getting anything and then suddenly it's on fire... But I'm sure you've got a paragraph for that one, too.


Summary:  My life sucks so much I can't wait 10 minutes or pay the electric bill.
 
2013-02-10 05:59:36 PM  

Weaver95: The study, however, could not separate tobacco smokers from marijuana smokers, because all but one of those testing positive for marijuana in the urine also showed signs of nicotine. Still, Barber said to Everyday Health "We know cannabis can cause changes in blood pressure and heart rate that are associated with increased stroke risk. Importantly, it can also cause heart palpitations, [a sign of atrial fibrillation]. And atrial fibrillation is very strongly associated with stroke."

but you don't know that, because you weren't able to screen out anyone who also was a tobacco smoker/user.  that destroys your entire study.


Now, now.  Don't go throwing facts around.  This study proves the Devil's Weed Kills.  Move along.  We still have room in our prisons for these evil-doers.
 
2013-02-10 06:03:02 PM  

detritus: Summary: My life sucks so much I can't wait 10 minutes or pay the electric bill.


Aww, I only get a one-sentence dismissal? Now I'll never get into the Vaporizer Cool Kids Club.
 
2013-02-10 06:04:14 PM  

Weaver95: snocone: Weaver95: Mugato: Dudes, just get high. Stop insisting on rationalizing it.

/tired of hearing about how weed cures AIDS and keeps you hard 24/7 and has riboflavin

I think what most people find irritating is this weird obsession from anti-cannabis folks corrupting science to support their hard line political views.  its like they're actively avoiding unbiased studies of the substance.

That alone should tell you something, but "the Deniers" are immune to self recognition.
"It is not Crap when We say it!"

the few valid unbiased studies that did manage to get done all come to the same conclusion - cannabis is (relatively speaking) rather harmless.  certainly less so than liquor and tobacco.  it even has agricultural and medical uses, as well as recreational ones.  is it completely harmless?  well I don't think anything in this world is ever completely harmless....drink enough water and it'll kill you after all.  as far as practical concerns, cannabis is about as harmless as yer gonna get.  But even if you don't want to believe that, then you still have to believe this - cannabis doesn't fit the requirements to be a Schedule I substance.  even the DEA admits this fact....they just tell you to STFU and stop asking about it 'cause they're not gonna change.


It is Schedule 1 because Congress says it is. There is nothing else to be said about it. The DEA has to follow federal law. Until we elect enougn Congresscritters who view marijuana prohibition repeal as a top priority, it will remain a Schedule I drug. No scientific study will affect the legality of weed because at the end of the day, the only ways it will change is if Congress repeals it or the Supreme Court invalidates that portion of the law as unconstitutional because of selective enforcement or something.
 
2013-02-10 06:08:27 PM  
all of the pot smokers I know are also tobacco smokers.  they also drink lots of coffee, and energy drinks.

probably a lot of doritos besides.

and booze, they drink a lot of hard alcohol.

why is weed the one everyone picks on?
 
2013-02-10 06:10:58 PM  
My pee-pee is orange because I've been eating Cheesy Puffs and watching porn.
 
2013-02-10 06:23:50 PM  

snocone: Not this chit again!!!
facepalm until it hurts, a lot

For all of recorded history, mankind has used and appreciated marijuana, one of the safest plants and psychoactive chemical families on the planet.
Almost as if we were made to go together.

The rest is bullchit to steal your money and fund Nanny.


More like, everyone that had a negative or neutral response to it has been weeded out of the gene pool.
 
2013-02-10 06:39:50 PM  
Spliffy tag?
 
2013-02-10 06:53:26 PM  

trapped-in-CH: They should put MJ in cigarettes.

/marketing genius


they probably already do.  It'd be hard to notice after they've basically sprayed it with everything they could find under the kitchen sink,  Would explain why smokers always say they feel 'relaxed' after a butt.
 
2013-02-10 06:57:34 PM  
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2013-02-10 07:12:52 PM  

Mugato: Dudes, just get high. Stop insisting on rationalizing it.

/tired of hearing about how weed cures AIDS and keeps you hard 24/7 and has riboflavin


Poor baby.  You know what else is annoying?

Going to jail for an activity that is much less harmful than many legal activities.  Maybe you should try it and get some perspective.  (Going to jail, not smoking pot.)
 
2013-02-10 07:43:26 PM  

BolloxReader: It is Schedule 1 because Congress says it is


Incorrect.  Scheduling is an administrative responsibility.  Obama could order the drug rescheduled, and fire the DEA head until his orders were carried out.
 
2013-02-10 08:58:49 PM  
A Terrible HumanHas anyone had any success with making a e-cig into a one hit vaporizer?

Check out the Cloud Vapez.  It's all you want ... and more.
 
2013-02-10 09:14:22 PM  
or statistically, smoking pot makes you twice as likely to die from something OTHER than stroke.
 
2013-02-10 09:26:58 PM  

A Terrible Human: Has anyone had any success with making a e-cig into a one hit vaporizer?


They make them for hash oil one is called the ivapor.
 
2013-02-10 09:37:52 PM  

madgordy: all of the pot smokers I know are also tobacco smokers.  they also drink lots of coffee, and energy drinks.

probably a lot of doritos besides.

and booze, they drink a lot of hard alcohol.

why is weed the one everyone picks on?


Because it's the only one of those activities that's illegal, even though it's probably the least harmful out of all the ones you listed.
 
2013-02-10 09:38:29 PM  

knobmaker: Mugato: Dudes, just get high. Stop insisting on rationalizing it.

/tired of hearing about how weed cures AIDS and keeps you hard 24/7 and has riboflavin

Poor baby.  You know what else is annoying?

Going to jail for an activity that is much less harmful than many legal activities.  Maybe you should try it and get some perspective.  (Going to jail, not smoking pot.)


going to say, if you got arrested for drug use, you where not doing it the privacy of your own home
 
2013-02-10 10:02:15 PM  
I smoke medicinal weed everyday. I use certian strains for focus, to be alert, certian ones for pain and nasua relief. One does not work or fix the other. IT really IS the best medicine esp. if you mix/match/really understand your strains. I don't nap and eat junk food all day. I work hard, work out daily despite the broken leg less than a year ago from a truck hitting me, it helps with the cognitive and emotional issues that linger from that and previous issues. IT really is that and crisps. Sorry if you think this makes me a bad person. Vicodin farks with me badly, most pain pills make me a zombie or vomit, as well as fark with the medicine I take for minor brain damage. Im 31, trying to start a family, and relativly normal. I smoke weed. I was an acholhic from 22-28. I now drink a beer once evry 3 or 4 months if that. My fiance has a jaw with injuries from an abusive ex bf and was a drinker too, until I introduced her to weed last year. She has now stopped drinking cold turkey, maintains a steady job, and sleeps better at night than she has in years.

TLDR; take your brownie comments and eat a bag of dicks.
 
2013-02-10 10:04:31 PM  
Blah blah blah, can we all just acknowledge that marijuana's biggest risk is affecting developing brains for people under 25 years of age and move on. I'm getting tired of every poorly represented study fueling the false belief that marijuana has zero negative side effects under any circumstances. Articles like this just encourage people to think ALL negative research results are a lie.
 
2013-02-10 10:42:05 PM  
Didn't say it had no negative side effects, I said compared to the myriad of options out there...
 
2013-02-10 10:45:52 PM  
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2013-02-10 10:57:59 PM  

vd61: I smoke medicinal weed everyday. I use certian strains for focus, to be alert, certian ones for pain and nasua relief. One does not work or fix the other. IT really IS the best medicine esp. if you mix/match/really understand your strains. I don't nap and eat junk food all day. I work hard, work out daily despite the broken leg less than a year ago from a truck hitting me, it helps with the cognitive and emotional issues that linger from that and previous issues. IT really is that and crisps. Sorry if you think this makes me a bad person. Vicodin farks with me badly, most pain pills make me a zombie or vomit, as well as fark with the medicine I take for minor brain damage. Im 31, trying to start a family, and relativly normal. I smoke weed. I was an acholhic from 22-28. I now drink a beer once evry 3 or 4 months if that. My fiance has a jaw with injuries from an abusive ex bf and was a drinker too, until I introduced her to weed last year. She has now stopped drinking cold turkey, maintains a steady job, and sleeps better at night than she has in years.

TLDR; take your brownie comments and eat a bag of dicks.


If you're saying that weed makes you more alert and basically smarter, well I don't play a scientist on TV but bullshiat.
 
2013-02-10 10:59:31 PM  

dericwater: Weaver95: The study, however, could not separate tobacco smokers from marijuana smokers, because all but one of those testing positive for marijuana in the urine also showed signs of nicotine. Still, Barber said to Everyday Health "We know cannabis can cause changes in blood pressure and heart rate that are associated with increased stroke risk. Importantly, it can also cause heart palpitations, [a sign of atrial fibrillation]. And atrial fibrillation is very strongly associated with stroke."

but you don't know that, because you weren't able to screen out anyone who also was a tobacco smoker/user.  that destroys your entire study.

But the could legitimately compare smokers of cigarettes with smokers of cigarettes and marijuana. If the latter group has better health, that might suggest that marijuana produces some beneficial effects that counters the negative effects of nicotine, or the combination of nicotine and THC is not as bad a nicotine itself.

I do know some people who smoke weed but not cigarettes. Not many. (Well, I don't know many people who smoke weed, nor many people who smoke in general.)


I smoke weed.
I do not smoke tobacco.
I do not drink alcohol.
 
2013-02-10 11:02:50 PM  

bobtheallmighty: detritus: tweek46420: detritus: Stop smoking it, ya dingus!

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Stupid hippies and their bong/joint culture.  Keep the weed, remove hippies.

not everyone has $600 to spend on a vaporizer

/and screw you...hippies grow great weed and can still get LSD

Hippies would prefer you smoke it because you use literally twice the amount you would need with a vaporizer.  The vaporizer would pay for itself, but it would require you to get out of your haze and stop buying weed for a while to do it.  Since it's not addictive, what's your excuse?

Its only really twice the ammount if you're an idiot in the first place. Rolling joints wastes alot of weed compared to say a properly packed gravity bong. That and every vape I have tried has fallen flat compared to the high I get off a good bong or pipe rip, and I dont need to be plugged into a wall. (yes I know there are portable vapes, I own one, they are meh) and yes I have even vsped from the Volcano, its still just "ok" compared to smoking the stuff.


I love the volcano.  Inhaling less plant matter and more keif is a good thing.
 
2013-02-10 11:03:01 PM  

Jument: vd61: I smoke medicinal weed everyday. I use certian strains for focus, to be alert, certian ones for pain and nasua relief. One does not work or fix the other. IT really IS the best medicine esp. if you mix/match/really understand your strains. I don't nap and eat junk food all day. I work hard, work out daily despite the broken leg less than a year ago from a truck hitting me, it helps with the cognitive and emotional issues that linger from that and previous issues. IT really is that and crisps. Sorry if you think this makes me a bad person. Vicodin farks with me badly, most pain pills make me a zombie or vomit, as well as fark with the medicine I take for minor brain damage. Im 31, trying to start a family, and relativly normal. I smoke weed. I was an acholhic from 22-28. I now drink a beer once evry 3 or 4 months if that. My fiance has a jaw with injuries from an abusive ex bf and was a drinker too, until I introduced her to weed last year. She has now stopped drinking cold turkey, maintains a steady job, and sleeps better at night than she has in years.

TLDR; take your brownie comments and eat a bag of dicks.

If you're saying that weed makes you more alert and basically smarter, well I don't play a scientist on TV but bullshiat.


Not saying it makes me smarter. I was already smart as shiat before. The accident farked up my head, and I'd already had a history of siezures prior. Weed allows me to focus/not spiral anxiety out of control that a truck m ay hit us walking to work, as well as focus properly and work back at the level I was prior.
 
2013-02-10 11:04:37 PM  
Yes I will say some strains make you more alert. This is true. You can disbelieve if you like. It's about using the right kinds for the right times or ailments, and not over indulging or using. You know..like most medicine.
 
2013-02-10 11:05:40 PM  
And yes, not drinking has helped.
 
2013-02-10 11:09:28 PM  

Jument: vd61: I smoke medicinal weed everyday. I use certian strains for focus, to be alert, certian ones for pain and nasua relief. One does not work or fix the other. IT really IS the best medicine esp. if you mix/match/really understand your strains. I don't nap and eat junk food all day. I work hard, work out daily despite the broken leg less than a year ago from a truck hitting me, it helps with the cognitive and emotional issues that linger from that and previous issues. IT really is that and crisps. Sorry if you think this makes me a bad person. Vicodin farks with me badly, most pain pills make me a zombie or vomit, as well as fark with the medicine I take for minor brain damage. Im 31, trying to start a family, and relativly normal. I smoke weed. I was an acholhic from 22-28. I now drink a beer once evry 3 or 4 months if that. My fiance has a jaw with injuries from an abusive ex bf and was a drinker too, until I introduced her to weed last year. She has now stopped drinking cold turkey, maintains a steady job, and sleeps better at night than she has in years.

TLDR; take your brownie comments and eat a bag of dicks.

If you're saying that weed makes you more alert and basically smarter, well I don't play a scientist on TV but bullshiat.


Sativa vs Indica.  One is uplifting.  The other is more sedate.  He never said it made him smart.  If I smoke Sativa, I can also grab my camera, go for a hike, and take some nice photos.  If I want to fall asleep quickly, I smoke Indica.
 
2013-02-10 11:11:34 PM  
I always hear so much about vaporizers, never anything really in-depth and always suggesting a $600 piece of equipment.  Aren't there cheaper alternatives?  Reviews, newbie guides, etc?
The intarwebs are full of pages that are just fluffed up advertisements.  "This vaporizer may be $500, but it will cure your dogs cancer and make the stars brighter in your neighborhood!"
 
2013-02-11 12:08:32 AM  

Xyphoid: I always hear so much about vaporizers, never anything really in-depth and always suggesting a $600 piece of equipment.  Aren't there cheaper alternatives?  Reviews, newbie guides, etc?
The intarwebs are full of pages that are just fluffed up advertisements.  "This vaporizer may be $500, but it will cure your dogs cancer and make the stars brighter in your neighborhood!"


While cheaper version are on the market the majority have very inaccurate temperature readings and otherwise break. Volcanos are reliable and offer the best assortment of after market accessories with accurate temperature control. Vaporizing is a different high compared to smoking, but does not offer the taste of smoking bud out of nice glass. Most people see 300$+ smoking devices as out of their price range, but if smoking is something you do everyday its worthy to invest in your hobby to achieve maximum enjoyment. If you take an interest in glass and have the privilege to experience nice scientific glass you will understand the difference. The design that goes into high quality scientific boro glass creates specific pressures and flows that filter smoke without increased drag while preserving flavor. Its the combination of form and function also know as art.
 
2013-02-11 12:17:41 AM  
E-cigarette-like pocket vaporizers that use refillable cartridges run $70 and up, Xyphoid.  These vaporizers do want butter hash or oil, not flowers, however.
 
2013-02-11 12:21:24 AM  

Jument: vd61: I smoke medicinal weed everyday. I use certian strains for focus, to be alert, certian ones for pain and nasua relief. One does not work or fix the other. IT really IS the best medicine esp. if you mix/match/really understand your strains. I don't nap and eat junk food all day. I work hard, work out daily despite the broken leg less than a year ago from a truck hitting me, it helps with the cognitive and emotional issues that linger from that and previous issues. IT really is that and crisps. Sorry if you think this makes me a bad person. Vicodin farks with me badly, most pain pills make me a zombie or vomit, as well as fark with the medicine I take for minor brain damage. Im 31, trying to start a family, and relativly normal. I smoke weed. I was an acholhic from 22-28. I now drink a beer once evry 3 or 4 months if that. My fiance has a jaw with injuries from an abusive ex bf and was a drinker too, until I introduced her to weed last year. She has now stopped drinking cold turkey, maintains a steady job, and sleeps better at night than she has in years.

TLDR; take your brownie comments and eat a bag of dicks.

If you're saying that weed makes you more alert and basically smarter, well I don't play a scientist on TV but bullshiat.


Different strains exist to target specific ailments, and not to just achieve a high. The treatment for ADHD is to ply the brain with stimulation. Its not unreasonable to assume certain individuals would benefit from a dose of thc to relieve anxiety thusly increasing that persons ability to focus and function at a normal rate.
 
2013-02-11 01:47:24 AM  

DerpHerder: Xyphoid: I always hear so much about vaporizers, never anything really in-depth and always suggesting a $600 piece of equipment.  Aren't there cheaper alternatives?  Reviews, newbie guides, etc?
The intarwebs are full of pages that are just fluffed up advertisements.  "This vaporizer may be $500, but it will cure your dogs cancer and make the stars brighter in your neighborhood!"

While cheaper version are on the market the majority have very inaccurate temperature readings and otherwise break. Volcanos are reliable and offer the best assortment of after market accessories with accurate temperature control. Vaporizing is a different high compared to smoking, but does not offer the taste of smoking bud out of nice glass. Most people see 300$+ smoking devices as out of their price range, but if smoking is something you do everyday its worthy to invest in your hobby to achieve maximum enjoyment. If you take an interest in glass and have the privilege to experience nice scientific glass you will understand the difference. The design that goes into high quality scientific boro glass creates specific pressures and flows that filter smoke without increased drag while preserving flavor. Its the combination of form and function also know as art.


So what you're saying is that the volcano really is worthwhile?
I read earlier something about resin buildup in the hoses (and would that apply to the main area?) - how does that cleaning issue get dealt with?  Cleanliness is next to un-arrestable...ness.
 
2013-02-11 03:29:01 AM  

Xyphoid: DerpHerder: Xyphoid: I always hear so much about vaporizers, never anything really in-depth and always suggesting a $600 piece of equipment.  Aren't there cheaper alternatives?  Reviews, newbie guides, etc?
The intarwebs are full of pages that are just fluffed up advertisements.  "This vaporizer may be $500, but it will cure your dogs cancer and make the stars brighter in your neighborhood!"

While cheaper version are on the market the majority have very inaccurate temperature readings and otherwise break. Volcanos are reliable and offer the best assortment of after market accessories with accurate temperature control. Vaporizing is a different high compared to smoking, but does not offer the taste of smoking bud out of nice glass. Most people see 300$+ smoking devices as out of their price range, but if smoking is something you do everyday its worthy to invest in your hobby to achieve maximum enjoyment. If you take an interest in glass and have the privilege to experience nice scientific glass you will understand the difference. The design that goes into high quality scientific boro glass creates specific pressures and flows that filter smoke without increased drag while preserving flavor. Its the combination of form and function also know as art.

So what you're saying is that the volcano really is worthwhile?
I read earlier something about resin buildup in the hoses (and would that apply to the main area?) - how does that cleaning issue get dealt with?  Cleanliness is next to un-arrestable...ness.


volcano has no hoses, it uses bags
you really are not going to be traveling too much with your volcano as its kind of large  and needs to be plugged in
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and if you have the cash it totally worth it
 
2013-02-11 04:25:30 AM  

dericwater: Weaver95: The study, however, could not separate tobacco smokers from marijuana smokers, because all but one of those testing positive for marijuana in the urine also showed signs of nicotine. Still, Barber said to Everyday Health "We know cannabis can cause changes in blood pressure and heart rate that are associated with increased stroke risk. Importantly, it can also cause heart palpitations, [a sign of atrial fibrillation]. And atrial fibrillation is very strongly associated with stroke."

but you don't know that, because you weren't able to screen out anyone who also was a tobacco smoker/user.  that destroys your entire study.

But the could legitimately compare smokers of cigarettes with smokers of cigarettes and marijuana. If the latter group has better health, that might suggest that marijuana produces some beneficial effects that counters the negative effects of nicotine, or the combination of nicotine and THC is not as bad a nicotine itself.

I do know some people who smoke weed but not cigarettes. Not many. (Well, I don't know many people who smoke weed, nor many people who smoke in general.)


The only problem with this approach is that MJ opens up the lungs and lets bad chemicals affect your lung to a greater degree which can affect results in a negative way without MJ having negative effects.

Double blind testing FTW

Tobacco
MJ
Tobacco and MJ
neither (control)

I would guess that tobacco and MJ would have the worst health because the MJ opens up the lungs to the bad effects of tobacco...
 
2013-02-11 04:28:06 AM  

Princess Ryans Knickers: So a badly designed study. If they had simply removed the cigarette users they would have found out that it wasn't the cigarettes causing the stroke.


A single person does not a study make...
 
2013-02-11 05:07:07 AM  

Mugato: Dudes, just get high. Stop insisting on rationalizing it.

/tired of hearing about how weed cures AIDS and keeps you hard 24/7 and has riboflavin


I don't get high, but I am very much an advocate of medical marijuana. It saved my cat's life when he was diagnosed with early-stage small-cell lymphoma of the stomach lining. He was at death's door, and we tried every medication on the veterinary list, plus a few human meds to reduce his nausea and stimulate his appetite - nothing worked, not even the latest, greatest human drug which cost me $50 a tablet. As a last stab before euthanasia, I suggested trying pot. The vet shrugged and said we had nothing to lose. I gave it to him, and he immediately stopped showing symptoms of nausea. Within two weeks, we were able to take out his e-tube, as he was eating on his own and gaining weight. We were then able to put him on chemo to treat the lymphoma. He's alive now, nearly 4 years later, all thanks to marijuana.

Legalise it.
 
2013-02-11 06:15:12 AM  
Men wearing expensive suits, have precision haircuts, make over $200K a year, work on the top floors of an office tower and drive black luxury German automobiles are hazardous to the health of the entire planet,
 
2013-02-11 07:12:02 AM  
Perhaps we should start a war on derp before things get worse.
 
2013-02-11 07:15:05 AM  

Xyphoid: I always hear so much about vaporizers, never anything really in-depth and always suggesting a $600 piece of equipment.  Aren't there cheaper alternatives?  Reviews, newbie guides, etc?
The intarwebs are full of pages that are just fluffed up advertisements.  "This vaporizer may be $500, but it will cure your dogs cancer and make the stars brighter in your neighborhood!"


There are plenty of cheaper options.  I've heard many people say the volcano is worth it if you have the money to spend, but that doesn't mean there aren't cheaper options that also kick ass.  I bought mine for $150 4 years ago and I still use it pretty much exclusively, when I have any herb.  Before I bought mine I did some reading on the forums over at grasscity.com.  As with any internet forum you have to take what you read with a grain of salt, but there are a lot of very knowledgeable people there, and I've never regretted the purchase.

Now some people claim that using a vaporizer produces a different high.  I personally never noticed a difference, but everyone is different.

Xyphoid: I read earlier something about resin buildup in the hoses (and would that apply to the main area?) - how does that cleaning issue get dealt with?


I've had some success cleaning mine with pipe cleaners and rubbing alcohol, but it's a real pain in the ass.  Replacement hoses are pretty damn cheap, so I just buy a replacement every few months or so.  The glass parts are easier to clean than most pipes, and if they get happen to get broken by a clumsy roommate or a drunken girlfriend they aren't terribly expensive to replace.
 
2013-02-11 08:55:25 AM  
the pot thread troll is the lowest form of troll, they are the ones who can't make it in the big show on the politics tab.
 
2013-02-11 12:06:31 PM  
I bought a knock off Volcano from China used for $10 from someone moving.  Had used the real volcano many times, and tried other hand held, portable vaps.

The Chinese Volcano was complete crap.  Not accurate at all the the temp settings, the fan was weak, and it got REAL hot.
The hand held one I had was OK for camping trips and the like.  More of a show piece.  I gave it away.

A friend has been using the German Volcano for about 10 years now.  He has Asthma, and other than in edibles, he vapes.  He has said his consumption has been cut in half because of the efficiency of the Volcano.  He's mastered the temp settings.  Lower vape temp for parties, and higher temp (not scorching the weed) for himself.

I smoke about an ounce per month.  Chronic nerve pain from lower back fusion and also in the neck from bulged discs.  I should probably suck it up and get one.

/Colorado
 
2013-02-11 12:29:59 PM  
Want to know what vaped weed tastes like?  Next time you light a bowl of quality weed, instead of putting the fire over the bowl and sucking it into the depths of the green matter obliterating into a charred piled of ash, just hold the flame way above it, and slowly lower it inhaling softly.  When you taste it, you'll know it.  Same with Hash.  Just hold the flame over it until it bubbles.  Don't burn it.  355f-392F releases the TCH by vaporizing.
255f in the oven.
 
2013-02-11 12:51:28 PM  

Xyphoid: DerpHerder: Xyphoid: I always hear so much about vaporizers, never anything really in-depth and always suggesting a $600 piece of equipment.  Aren't there cheaper alternatives?  Reviews, newbie guides, etc?
The intarwebs are full of pages that are just fluffed up advertisements.  "This vaporizer may be $500, but it will cure your dogs cancer and make the stars brighter in your neighborhood!"

While cheaper version are on the market the majority have very inaccurate temperature readings and otherwise break. Volcanos are reliable and offer the best assortment of after market accessories with accurate temperature control. Vaporizing is a different high compared to smoking, but does not offer the taste of smoking bud out of nice glass. Most people see 300$+ smoking devices as out of their price range, but if smoking is something you do everyday its worthy to invest in your hobby to achieve maximum enjoyment. If you take an interest in glass and have the privilege to experience nice scientific glass you will understand the difference. The design that goes into high quality scientific boro glass creates specific pressures and flows that filter smoke without increased drag while preserving flavor. Its the combination of form and function also know as art.

So what you're saying is that the volcano really is worthwhile?
I read earlier something about resin buildup in the hoses (and would that apply to the main area?) - how does that cleaning issue get dealt with?  Cleanliness is next to un-arrestable...ness.


As someone else stated the Volcano utilizies bags that attach to the vaporizer via a connector and once the bag is filledd you attacg a mouth piece which has a valve which ones when pressed down on the lips and closes when released. Cleaning is very important with any smoking device rubbing alcohol and salt work wonders for glass. I've never owned a Volcano myself but soaking in alcohol would more then like clean the adapter you'd have to look into how it is constructed as alcohol might cause rust. Boiling water also works well with removing build up it just takes long then alcohol. Don't even clean peice with anything other then hot water or alcohol and salt (it act as an abbrasive to dislodge buildup).
 
2013-02-11 12:53:33 PM  
Man that was a lot of spelling mistakes.
 
2013-02-11 04:36:31 PM  

thenumber5: snocone: Not this chit again!!!
facepalm until it hurts, a lot

For all of recorded history, mankind has used and appreciated marijuana, one of the safest plants and psychoactive chemical families on the planet.
Almost as if we were made to go together.

The rest is bullchit to steal your money and fund Nanny.

if you feel your life sucks so much you have to get high to make it to the next day, good for you

but stop acting like the rest of humanity is some how missing out on naping and eating



You sound like a bitter douchebag.  You should probably try some pot.
 
2013-02-11 07:23:17 PM  

DerpHerder: Xyphoid: DerpHerder: Xyphoid: I always hear so much about vaporizers, never anything really in-depth and always suggesting a $600 piece of equipment.  Aren't there cheaper alternatives?  Reviews, newbie guides, etc?
The intarwebs are full of pages that are just fluffed up advertisements.  "This vaporizer may be $500, but it will cure your dogs cancer and make the stars brighter in your neighborhood!"

While cheaper version are on the market the majority have very inaccurate temperature readings and otherwise break. Volcanos are reliable and offer the best assortment of after market accessories with accurate temperature control. Vaporizing is a different high compared to smoking, but does not offer the taste of smoking bud out of nice glass. Most people see 300$+ smoking devices as out of their price range, but if smoking is something you do everyday its worthy to invest in your hobby to achieve maximum enjoyment. If you take an interest in glass and have the privilege to experience nice scientific glass you will understand the difference. The design that goes into high quality scientific boro glass creates specific pressures and flows that filter smoke without increased drag while preserving flavor. Its the combination of form and function also know as art.

So what you're saying is that the volcano really is worthwhile?
I read earlier something about resin buildup in the hoses (and would that apply to the main area?) - how does that cleaning issue get dealt with?  Cleanliness is next to un-arrestable...ness.

As someone else stated the Volcano utilizies bags that attach to the vaporizer via a connector and once the bag is filledd you attacg a mouth piece which has a valve which ones when pressed down on the lips and closes when released. Cleaning is very important with any smoking device rubbing alcohol and salt work wonders for glass. I've never owned a Volcano myself but soaking in alcohol would more then like clean the adapter you'd have to look into how it is ...


It should also be noted if you are looking inot getting a volcano, the bags are cheap to replace too, they are just plastic turkey oven bags from the super market that clip to the valve/hand piece. They are very well built I will give them that, but I still prefer my glass.

As for portable vapes, the only one I have every liked enough to buy was the Magic Launch Box. and it only set me back about $110, came with a charger and a set of battries that lasted about 3 months of heavy use before I needed new ones. It was a bit tricky to learn how to use though, since the temp is controled by air flow.
 
2013-02-11 08:34:33 PM  

bobtheallmighty: As for portable vapes, the only one I have every liked enough to buy was the Magic Launch Box. and it only set me back about $110, came with a charger and a set of battries that lasted about 3 months of heavy use before I needed new ones. It was a bit tricky to learn how to use though, since the temp is controled by air flow.


This is the one I have, and it's a pain in the ass. So much so that I went back to smoking.
 
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