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(YouTube) Video Today's SHMHC remembers Metallica's Cliff Burton, who would have turned 51 today but had his life cut short in 1986. Here's the classic Disposable Heroes (Some not safe for work language, duh)   (youtube.com) divider line 122
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2013-02-11 12:27:50 AM
God this makes me so sad... not just at Cliff's death, but what a reminder it was at how good they used to be. Hard to imagine now there was a time when Lars was a capable drummer.
 
2013-02-11 01:14:49 AM
 
2013-02-11 01:20:37 AM
Ice T It was a good day. Couple years later.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViK8PwbJmxo

Couple years earlier: Metallica

Seek and Destroy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVM8DUhdLyo
 
2013-02-11 01:24:07 AM

rickycal78: It also doesn't help that Dave's gone just a bit nuts over the years, as well as some accusing Dave of using pre-recorded vocals at live performances.


That sounds like an improvement.  Unless they're using his vocals, then it's a wash.
 
2013-02-11 01:39:47 AM

Duck_of_Doom: rickycal78: It also doesn't help that Dave's gone just a bit nuts over the years, as well as some accusing Dave of using pre-recorded vocals at live performances.

That sounds like an improvement.  Unless they're using his vocals, then it's a wash.


It would really be hilarious if someone accidentally put some of Hetfield's singing on when Mustaine was lip synching. The look on his face just as he realized it would be priceless.
 
2013-02-11 02:01:11 AM
El Brujo:
/for a professional metal drummer, Lars is maybe the least skilled on the planet.

So much this.

But what really strikes me is how watered down his live performances are compared to his studio performances. What a lack of regard for your own art.

And fark the endurance excuse. Old man Peart is pushing 60 and still replicating his studio performances hit for hit, and usually faster than in the studio, in almost 3 hour shows. Ditto every other metal drummer I've seen live, young and old. It's a kind of "not giving a shiat" attitude towards the whole live performance thing vibe that's very annoying.
 
2013-02-11 02:14:48 AM

rickycal78: kab: HST's Dead Carcass: Songs were far longer than they needed to be

The pop music thread is that way  --->

The majority of the songs were all over the 3-6 minute sweet spot most songs fall into. Granted much of their earlier works from Kill 'Em All to ...And Justice for All did too, they managed to not feel bloated. What HST's Dead Carcass mentioned about lousy production values and intro's that didn't mesh with the main body of the song are what made them seem too long. Death Magnetic seemed like it had a lot of potential, but the way it was put together sounded like shiat. Not to mention Jame's voice seemed to be going to hell too.


Death Magnetic, to me, sounded like a desperate clutch at glory days past. Sorry dudes, that ship sailed. Hard to sound like the voice of disenfranchised youth when you're a 40-50 something millionaire.
 
2013-02-11 02:42:51 AM

poot_rootbeer: Rob Trujillo has been a member of Metallica for more than twice as long as Cliff ever was.


And Jason Newsted was better than both of 'em. Your point?

/Why, yes, I do prefer Sammy Hagar, why do you ask?
 
2013-02-11 03:51:58 AM

IlGreven: poot_rootbeer: Rob Trujillo has been a member of Metallica for more than twice as long as Cliff ever was.

And Jason Newsted was better than both of 'em. Your point?

/Why, yes, I do prefer Sammy Hagar, why do you ask?


I honestly don't know if Newsted was technically better than Burton or not, but there's no way he could have made something as awesome as Orion. Cliff wasn't just the cool guy bass player, I believe he had the most musical training of anyone in the band and could write an awesome piece of music.
 
2013-02-11 04:57:38 AM
Death Magnetic, to me, sounded like a desperate clutch at glory days past. Sorry dudes, that ship sailed. Hard to sound like the voice of disenfranchised youth when you're a 40-50 something millionaire.

SO very much this. How am I supposed to take Lars as a serious metal musician when he's sipping Christal and buying 8 million dollar art pieces?
 
2013-02-11 05:53:37 AM

ybishop: Death Magnetic, to me, sounded like a desperate clutch at glory days past. Sorry dudes, that ship sailed. Hard to sound like the voice of disenfranchised youth when you're a 40-50 something millionaire.

SO very much this. How am I supposed to take Lars as a serious metal musician when he's sipping Christal and buying 8 million dollar art pieces?


I don't mind him using his cash as much as I mind replacing every kick pattern in the records with kick-snare-kick-snare-kick-snare...
 
2013-02-11 05:55:03 AM

browntimmy: IlGreven: poot_rootbeer: Rob Trujillo has been a member of Metallica for more than twice as long as Cliff ever was.

And Jason Newsted was better than both of 'em. Your point?

/Why, yes, I do prefer Sammy Hagar, why do you ask?

I honestly don't know if Newsted was technically better than Burton or not, but there's no way he could have made something as awesome as Orion. Cliff wasn't just the cool guy bass player, I believe he had the most musical training of anyone in the band and could write an awesome piece of music.


Have you heard Newsted's latest EP "METAL"? it's... Metal. \m/
 
2013-02-11 07:59:21 AM

Mike Chewbacca: Real Women Drink Akvavit: I musically broke up with Metallica during the Napster shenanigans and the whole testifying in front of congress thing. Like none of them ever made a mix tape. Douchebags should have been grateful.

/better quality than a mix tape made over the radio just means less people will think you suck
//maybe

Waaaaah! I can't steal music as easily off the Internet as I used to! I love Metallica but I don't want to actually pay them for their product! Waaaaah!

/Just bought one of Eric Calderone's (AKA erock) albums because his YouTube channel is great and I've gotten many hours of enjoyment from it. I won't listen to it very often, but I want this guy to get rich.


Read the liner notes to Garage Inc sometime - Hetfield and Ulrich admit in that to committing lots of copyright infringement in their youth, and mostly of obscure bands that never sold many copies in the first place, so it is funny they became one of the leading anti-piracy voices around that time.
 
2013-02-11 08:32:37 AM
Cliff might just be the most overrated bass player of all time... The only reason we think he is so good is because he died during Metallica's golden age.

I'm not saying he is a bad bass player ...just WAY overrated.
 
2013-02-11 09:22:05 AM

Perlin Noise: Cliff might just be the most overrated bass player of all time... The only reason we think he is so good is because he died during Metallica's golden age.

I'm not saying he is a bad bass player ...just WAY overrated.


He sure as hell ain't no Michael Anthony.
 
2013-02-11 12:28:34 PM

Perlin Noise: Cliff might just be the most overrated bass player of all time... The only reason we think he is so good is because he died during Metallica's golden age.

I'm not saying he is a bad bass player ...just WAY overrated.


Thank you. As a musician/composer, hats off and deepest respect. As a bass player... Eh. Distorted guitar licks on a bass don't impress me much.
 
2013-02-11 12:39:21 PM

xria: Mike Chewbacca: Real Women Drink Akvavit: I musically broke up with Metallica during the Napster shenanigans and the whole testifying in front of congress thing. Like none of them ever made a mix tape. Douchebags should have been grateful.

/better quality than a mix tape made over the radio just means less people will think you suck
//maybe

Waaaaah! I can't steal music as easily off the Internet as I used to! I love Metallica but I don't want to actually pay them for their product! Waaaaah!

/Just bought one of Eric Calderone's (AKA erock) albums because his YouTube channel is great and I've gotten many hours of enjoyment from it. I won't listen to it very often, but I want this guy to get rich.

Read the liner notes to Garage Inc sometime - Hetfield and Ulrich admit in that to committing lots of copyright infringement in their youth, and mostly of obscure bands that never sold many copies in the first place, so it is funny they became one of the leading anti-piracy voices around that time.




Yes, and when they were starting out, they encouraged fans to make copies of their demos for their friends. But Napster is orders of magnitude larger than what the guys did in their youth. Making three bootlegged cassettes for friends is nothing like leaving your pc connected to Napster 24/7 for weeks at a time.
 
2013-02-11 03:58:44 PM
As was kind of noted before, Metallica changed from metal to hard rock when they took on Bob Rock to produce their self-titled album. The difference between Master of Puppets with Cliff and ...And Justice for All without Cliff is almost nil. The massive change was when Bob Rock came on board.
 
2013-02-11 05:08:33 PM

madgonad: As was kind of noted before, Metallica changed from metal to hard rock when they took on Bob Rock to produce their self-titled album. The difference between Master of Puppets with Cliff and ...And Justice for All without Cliff is almost nil. The massive change was when Bob Rock came on board.


Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but he did encourage the band members to polish their weak-points.  Kirk and James took proper guitar lessons, James was sent to a voice coach to make his voice more useful, and Lars, I'm assuming, was sent to the United States Asshole Academy to study Douchenomics under Professor John Fitzgerald Page.
 
2013-02-11 09:29:44 PM
1986, Poplar Creek Music Theater, 15 years old. We walked in Ozzy fans, walked out Metallica fans.  Proud to say I still am, except for the St Anger album (Shoot me again not too bad) and that farkin Memory Remains song. Hey, they can't all be good.
 
2013-02-13 09:51:12 AM

ybishop: Death Magnetic, to me, sounded like a desperate clutch at glory days past. Sorry dudes, that ship sailed. Hard to sound like the voice of disenfranchised youth when you're a 40-50 something millionaire.

SO very much this. How am I supposed to take Lars as a serious metal musician when he's sipping Christal and buying 8 million dollar art pieces?


Death Magnetic had some bright spots on it.  But it was an overall depressing album.  Because it was the first album in something like 20 years where they didn't have Bob Rock, and without his influence it was a much better album than anything over that period.  It depresses me because I think we could have had some really good Metallica through the 90s and 00s without bob rock shiatting all over things.
 
2013-02-13 07:44:20 PM

Texas Gabe: I used to be, no joke, Metallica's #1 fan and to hear them go from Whiplash to Nothing Else Matters was heartbreaking. It was all downhill from there.


I don't know about #1 fan, but I was a big fan of them when I was in high school. I was a senior waiting for their new album to come out. I was all jazzed up about it because I liked all their other albums and thought they were getting heavier and heavier. Puppets killed. Justice was great. The next album was going to rip my face off right! And then the black album came out and I was all like

oi47.tinypic.com

never bought another album of theirs.
 
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