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(YouTube) Video Today's SHMHC remembers Metallica's Cliff Burton, who would have turned 51 today but had his life cut short in 1986. Here's the classic Disposable Heroes (Some not safe for work language, duh)   (youtube.com) divider line 119
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2013-02-10 11:59:22 AM  
I got to see them open for Ozzy in Chattanooga just 2 months before his death.
It was a great show from Battery to Paranoid.
 
2013-02-10 12:21:58 PM  
I saw him at the Philly Spectrum (w/Ozzy) on the Master of Puppets/Ultimate Sin tour. He was in great form, but Jake E Lee (from Ozzy's band) had a horrible night. I remember Cliff's solo like it was yesterday.

/Miss you (and what used to be Metallica), Cliff.
 
2013-02-10 12:25:45 PM  
"This is a new one..."
 
2013-02-10 12:28:59 PM  
This is the song that made me love Metallica. I'd liked the little I'd heard before, but this is the song where I was like hell yeah...
 
2013-02-10 12:31:21 PM  
Is it just me, the thin buzzing quality of vhs-youtube-laptop speakers combo, or Kirk just stunk up on most of that solo?
 
2013-02-10 12:31:24 PM  
Ahhh, back when Metallica was still putting out metal. Good times. I still think the band started it's slow decline with Cliff's death. Sure Justice was still a metal album, but that was it. Pretty much everything that followed was more hard rock than metal. Nothing wrong with that mind you since I still like a fair amount of their stuff after Justice, but it just wasn't metal anymore.
 
2013-02-10 12:38:35 PM  
Finally, a SHMHC that no one can complain about.   Unless, like me, you can complain that you missed the Ozzy/Metallica tour in 86.

In retrospect, Burton was definitely the soul of Metallica.  The modern Metallica is way too Lars-centric for my tastes.
 
2013-02-10 12:41:23 PM  
I musically broke up with Metallica during the Napster shenanigans and the whole testifying in front of congress thing. Like none of them ever made a mix tape. Douchebags should have been grateful.

/better quality than a mix tape made over the radio just means less people will think you suck
//maybe
 
2013-02-10 12:52:01 PM  

Krymson Tyde: I got to see them open for Ozzy in Chattanooga just 2 months before his death.
It was a great show from Battery to Paranoid.


My wife has a backstage pass from that tour with Ozzy's and all of Metallica's autographs on it, including Cliff Burton's, from when they came through Salt Lake. She didn't even know who they were, they were just the other band at the Ozzy show.

/her dad knew the head of security at the venue
//wonder what that thing's worth?
 
2013-02-10 12:55:16 PM  
Rob Trujillo has been a member of Metallica for more than twice as long as Cliff ever was.
 
2013-02-10 12:58:11 PM  

rickycal78: Ahhh, back when Metallica was still putting out metal. Good times. I still think the band started it's slow decline with Cliff's death. Sure Justice was still a metal album, but that was it. Pretty much everything that followed was more hard rock than metal. Nothing wrong with that mind you since I still like a fair amount of their stuff after Justice, but it just wasn't metal anymore.


I was with them all the way up until St. Anger.  That CD was....unforgivable.  At least before that CD you had the excuse of saying they sounded more polished, more like professional musicians.  St. Anger was just a confused, shiatty mess.
 
2013-02-10 01:02:31 PM  

poot_rootbeer: Rob Trujillo has been a member of Metallica for more than twice as long as Cliff ever was.


Yet Cliff had contributed to the band almost twice as much as Rob has. Cliff actually had some real musical training and did a lot of songwriting.
 
2013-02-10 01:03:08 PM  

poot_rootbeer: Rob Trujillo has been a member of Metallica for more than twice as long as Cliff ever was.


Yeah, during the worst years.  Also, he's only been with the band for ONE studio release which is best described as forgettable, as opposed to the three groundbreaking, Metallica-shaping albums that Cliff was a huge part of.  Nice try, though.  I'm sure if no one in this thread knew fark-all about Metallica, that might have been a good post for you.
 
2013-02-10 01:03:47 PM  

mooseyfate: rickycal78: Ahhh, back when Metallica was still putting out metal. Good times. I still think the band started it's slow decline with Cliff's death. Sure Justice was still a metal album, but that was it. Pretty much everything that followed was more hard rock than metal. Nothing wrong with that mind you since I still like a fair amount of their stuff after Justice, but it just wasn't metal anymore.

I was with them all the way up until St. Anger.  That CD was....unforgivable.  At least before that CD you had the excuse of saying they sounded more polished, more like professional musicians.  St. Anger was just a confused, shiatty mess.


Dont' get me wrong, I still like the band, St. Anger notwithstanding, but they've long since stopped doing metal.
 
2013-02-10 01:05:47 PM  
And Metallica has sucked ever since.

Three great albums followed by decades of crap.
 
2013-02-10 01:07:19 PM  

rickycal78: mooseyfate: rickycal78: Ahhh, back when Metallica was still putting out metal. Good times. I still think the band started it's slow decline with Cliff's death. Sure Justice was still a metal album, but that was it. Pretty much everything that followed was more hard rock than metal. Nothing wrong with that mind you since I still like a fair amount of their stuff after Justice, but it just wasn't metal anymore.

I was with them all the way up until St. Anger.  That CD was....unforgivable.  At least before that CD you had the excuse of saying they sounded more polished, more like professional musicians.  St. Anger was just a confused, shiatty mess.

Dont' get me wrong, I still like the band, St. Anger notwithstanding, but they've long since stopped doing metal.


I think it goes without saying that after ...And Justice for All they started focusing more on appearance, commercial success, and mainstream accessibility.  Metal bands can do that, but Metallica also changed the way they wrote music and the way their songs sounded.  Essentially, they turned themselves into something more people could digest, which is pretty much the definition of Alternative Rock.  I don't blame them, but I'm not going to deny it either.  I just happened to not care until St. Anger.
 
2013-02-10 01:08:13 PM  
I'd forgotten how good they used to be live.
 
2013-02-10 01:12:47 PM  

Hetfield: I'd forgotten how good they used to be live.


Your name with that post in this thread made me smile this morning.  Thanks.
 
2013-02-10 01:16:02 PM  

mooseyfate: Hetfield: I'd forgotten how good they used to be live.

Your name with that post in this thread made me smile this morning.  Thanks.


It's an honor and a privilege.
 
2013-02-10 01:21:56 PM  
Strange to hear him say "here's a new one".

As I was marveling at how James can play and sing at the same time...he messes up the verse. LOL
 
2013-02-10 01:26:32 PM  
I was lucky enough to see the Metallica/Ozzy show right before the accident too. That show remains one of the best I've ever seen. It was mind blowing.


/I might have been tripping too...
 
2013-02-10 01:33:03 PM  

Great_Milenko: Finally, a SHMHC that no one can complain about.




Ride the Lightning was their last good album. Master of Puppets was a boring slog and they just got worse from there. Though this version is far better than the album's.

Thrash
New Trad
Doom
 
2013-02-10 01:37:19 PM  

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: Krymson Tyde: I got to see them open for Ozzy in Chattanooga just 2 months before his death.
It was a great show from Battery to Paranoid.

My wife has a backstage pass from that tour with Ozzy's and all of Metallica's autographs on it, including Cliff Burton's, from when they came through Salt Lake. She didn't even know who they were, they were just the other band at the Ozzy show.

/her dad knew the head of security at the venue
//wonder what that thing's worth?


Probably not very much. My birthday is coming up so I'd happily take that worthless relic off your hands.
 
2013-02-10 01:41:43 PM  

SPna15: Great_Milenko: Finally, a SHMHC that no one can complain about.

Ride the Lightning was their last good album. Master of Puppets was a boring slog and they just got worse from there. Though this version is far better than the album's.

Thrash
New Trad
Doom


Oh christ, you're one of those Farkers.  I'll be standing way over there.  Away from you and your terrible "musical superiority".
 
2013-02-10 01:42:20 PM  
I saw them in Edinburgh, Scotland about 2 weeks before Cliff died. They all hung outside and drank with a handful of us kids after the show during load-out. Really nice guys back then (even Lars). Anthrax was the opening band. What a great show.
 
2013-02-10 01:47:12 PM  

mooseyfate: SPna15: Great_Milenko: Finally, a SHMHC that no one can complain about.

Ride the Lightning was their last good album. Master of Puppets was a boring slog and they just got worse from there. Though this version is far better than the album's.

Thrash
New Trad
Doom

Oh christ, you're one of those Farkers.  I'll be standing way over there.  Away from you and your terrible "musical superiority".




You're obviously new to these threads.

I honestly don't give a sh*t about Metallica one way or another at this point, I just wanted to prove Great Milenko wrong.

New Manilla Road album is f*cking awesome as expected.
 
2013-02-10 01:48:17 PM  
This is still my favorite Metallica tune.

Too bad Cliff had to die for the rest of em to turn into the colossal dbags they are today.
 
2013-02-10 01:52:16 PM  

SPna15: Great_Milenko: Finally, a SHMHC that no one can complain about.

Ride the Lightning was their last good album. Master of Puppets was a boring slog and they just got worse from there. Though this version is far better than the album's.

Thrash
New Trad
Doom


The first 2 bands you listed were pretty decent, although I could have done without half a video of the band members asses in the bolded one.

The third band you listed seemed to be as much a boring slog as you called MoP. 18-19 minute songs of that stuff? Sheesh.
 
kab
2013-02-10 01:52:53 PM  

SPna15: Master of Puppets was a boring slog


There are times when opinions are actually completely incorrect.  This is one of them.
 
2013-02-10 01:56:51 PM  
I got married June 14, 1986, my best man and ushers left the reception early to go to the Long Beach show, I honeymooned in Vegas and ended up in an emergency room, it's been all downhill from then, never eat shrimp cocktail from the buffet.
 
2013-02-10 02:09:54 PM  
It would have been funny to see if Cliff would get a haircut and put on hip clothes.

And yes, he would have. Too much money on the table.
 
2013-02-10 02:11:41 PM  

rickycal78: The third band you listed seemed to be as much a boring slog as you called MoP. 18-19 minute songs of that stuff? Sheesh.


Well it's a good thing they aren't a thrash band then. MoP was boring thrash album.

Thrash
till
Death
 
2013-02-10 02:13:40 PM  

SPna15: mooseyfate: SPna15: Great_Milenko: Finally, a SHMHC that no one can complain about.

Ride the Lightning was their last good album. Master of Puppets was a boring slog and they just got worse from there. Though this version is far better than the album's.

Thrash
New Trad
Doom

Oh christ, you're one of those Farkers.  I'll be standing way over there.  Away from you and your terrible "musical superiority".

You're obviously new to these threads.

I honestly don't give a sh*t about Metallica one way or another at this point, I just wanted to prove Great Milenko wrong.

New Manilla Road album is f*cking awesome as expected.


Is it wrong that every time I hear those guys I can't help but think they'd be better served with a slightly more powerful vocalist? To me he sounds a bit like Robert Halford at times, but his wails just don't seem to carry the oomph Halford's voice has.
 
2013-02-10 02:21:28 PM  

mooseyfate: SPna15: Great_Milenko: Finally, a SHMHC that no one can complain about.

Ride the Lightning was their last good album. Master of Puppets was a boring slog and they just got worse from there. Though this version is far better than the album's.

Thrash
New Trad
Doom

Oh christ, you're one of those Farkers.  I'll be standing way over there.  Away from you and your terrible "musical superiority".


The New Trad link isn't too bad.  Not even close to being as good as Master of Puppets though.
 
2013-02-10 02:27:19 PM  

rickycal78: SPna15: mooseyfate: SPna15: Great_Milenko: Finally, a SHMHC that no one can complain about.

Ride the Lightning was their last good album. Master of Puppets was a boring slog and they just got worse from there. Though this version is far better than the album's.

Thrash
New Trad
Doom

Oh christ, you're one of those Farkers.  I'll be standing way over there.  Away from you and your terrible "musical superiority".

You're obviously new to these threads.

I honestly don't give a sh*t about Metallica one way or another at this point, I just wanted to prove Great Milenko wrong.

New Manilla Road album is f*cking awesome as expected.

Is it wrong that every time I hear those guys I can't help but think they'd be better served with a slightly more powerful vocalist? To me he sounds a bit like Robert Halford at times, but his wails just don't seem to carry the oomph Halford's voice has.


Well, they have two vocalists now. The newer guy Hellroadie, and Mark the guy who basically runs the band. Hellroadie actually has a pretty good range, though Manilla Road isn't the kind of band that lets him show off that range very often. Mark nowadays sounds like an old guy, but he's never really sounded like Halford to me. Back in his heyday I always thought he sounded like a gruffer and more American Ozzy. And when he wanted to, he could be vicious as hell.
 
2013-02-10 02:30:05 PM  

Great_Milenko: mooseyfate: SPna15: Great_Milenko: Finally, a SHMHC that no one can complain about.

Ride the Lightning was their last good album. Master of Puppets was a boring slog and they just got worse from there. Though this version is far better than the album's.

Thrash
New Trad
Doom

Oh christ, you're one of those Farkers.  I'll be standing way over there.  Away from you and your terrible "musical superiority".

The New Trad link isn't too bad.  Not even close to being as good as Master of Puppets though.


At least I'm trying to make this thread better than just circlejerking about how Metallica has sucked for the past two and a half decades.
 
2013-02-10 02:30:54 PM  

mooseyfate: poot_rootbeer: Rob Trujillo has been a member of Metallica for more than twice as long as Cliff ever was.

Yeah, during the worst years.  Also, he's only been with the band for ONE studio release which is best described as forgettable, as opposed to the three groundbreaking, Metallica-shaping albums that Cliff was a huge part of.  Nice try, though.  I'm sure if no one in this thread knew fark-all about Metallica, that might have been a good post for you.


While I am probably one of the bigger Metallica supporters a person could probably ever meet and I may be a bit biased, but to call "Death Magnetic" really forgettable, I can't agree with you on that.  It had quite a few really solid songs on there, definitely a throwback to their earlier stuff.  It might not be quite in the same league as Puppets, but it is one of their more solid albums IMO.
 
2013-02-10 02:38:25 PM  

SPna15: Well, they have two vocalists now. The newer guy Hellroadie, and Mark the guy who basically runs the band. Hellroadie actually has a pretty good range, though Manilla Road isn't the kind of band that lets him show off that range very often. Mark nowadays sounds like an old guy, but he's never really sounded like Halford to me. Back in his heyday I always thought he sounded like a gruffer and more American Ozzy. And when he wanted to, he could be vicious as hell.


Suppose I should have clarified, Mark's vocals often tend to have a style similar to Halford's only without the oomph behind it, at least IMO.
 
2013-02-10 02:48:23 PM  
 
2013-02-10 03:16:47 PM  
Ugh, another crappy metal posting........Just kidding, I like metallica as much as the next guy, thou Black album is my favorite. Mainly cause I was 8 years old, glued to MTV,and thats what was projected into my brain constantly.

//Just finally got around to listening to their old stuff 2 years ago lol. Way late to the party.
 
2013-02-10 03:21:47 PM  

HighZoolander: Ride the Lightning was better, but Master of Puppets was still a good album; everything they did after that is useless


Not so, Justice introduced a 11 year old me to metal that wasn't the glam/hair metal I was used to hearing on the radio back in those days.
 
2013-02-10 03:23:57 PM  
They played a shiatty little bar in Toledo back in the early/ mid '80's. I asked the guy putting up the flyers on the telephone poles near our park about them because I thought the way they wrote their name on the flyer was cool. (I was about 13 and a longhair) The guy said they were heavy, and to tell my friends. He said he was the vocalist. He gave me a flyer, and climbed into the van full of denim wearing longhairs and took off. I thought they were just a local band. Csb
 
2013-02-10 03:24:06 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: I musically broke up with Metallica during the Napster shenanigans and the whole testifying in front of congress thing. Like none of them ever made a mix tape. Douchebags should have been grateful.

/better quality than a mix tape made over the radio just means less people will think you suck
//maybe


That's pretty much exactly when I stopped buying anything new of theirs also. Still listen to KTA, RtL, and MoP regularly. A few songs from the black album make there way into my giant random playlist from time to time, but yeah, nothing past that album.
 
2013-02-10 03:29:58 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: I musically broke up with Metallica during the Napster shenanigans and the whole testifying in front of congress thing. Like none of them ever made a mix tape. Douchebags should have been grateful.

/better quality than a mix tape made over the radio just means less people will think you suck
//maybe


Waaaaah! I can't steal music as easily off the Internet as I used to! I love Metallica but I don't want to actually pay them for their product! Waaaaah!

/Just bought one of Eric Calderone's (AKA erock) albums because his YouTube channel is great and I've gotten many hours of enjoyment from it. I won't listen to it very often, but I want this guy to get rich.
 
2013-02-10 03:42:52 PM  

mooseyfate: poot_rootbeer: Rob Trujillo has been a member of Metallica for more than twice as long as Cliff ever was.

Yeah, during the worst years.  Also, he's only been with the band for ONE studio release which is best described as forgettable, as opposed to the three groundbreaking, Metallica-shaping albums that Cliff was a huge part of.  Nice try, though.  I'm sure if no one in this thread knew fark-all about Metallica, that might have been a good post for you.


One studio release? Wasn't Rob with them for St. Anger, Death Magnetic, and Lulu (I think that's the name of album they did with Lou Reed)?

/I liked Death Magnetic.
//Too bad everybody gave up with them after St. Anger.
 
2013-02-10 03:48:38 PM  
 
2013-02-10 03:55:02 PM  
I love it when SHMHC greenlights new, underground metal.

Enshine
New Uncle Acid & the Deadbeats
 
2013-02-10 03:55:05 PM  

barneyfifesbullet: It would have been funny to see if Cliff would get a haircut and put on hip clothes.

And yes, he would have. Too much money on the table.


Not necessarily.

He actually had talent. Who's to say how long he would have hung around past Master of Puppets, anyway? Early 90s, at the latest?

Oh, and a Metallica thread without

25.media.tumblr.com

is disappointing.

/this is the major part of Robert Trujillo's contribution to Metallica.
//Never forgive Trujillo for rerecording the bass parts for the abominations that were 2002's rerecorded Blizzard of Ozz and Diary of a Madman. If he was willing to do that, he fits in perfectly with post-Napster Metallica.
 
2013-02-10 03:56:41 PM  

SPna15: Doom


excellent!

rickycal78: Not so, Justice introduced a 11 year old me to metal that wasn't the glam/hair metal I was used to hearing on the radio back in those days.


Well, I'm glad that at least someone got something out of it - and I'm sad that you couldn't have heard something better that wasn't glam.
 
2013-02-10 04:07:09 PM  
Metallica introduced a 9 year old me to heavy metal with Justice.  I thought it was awesome and for that I'm grateful.  After having been listening to metal for a long time, I can't remember the last time I've put on any Metallica.  I don't know that they would even make my top 50 bands list...doubtful.

/for a professional metal drummer, Lars is maybe the least skilled on the planet.
 
2013-02-10 04:13:40 PM  
Still love Metallica. Saw them a couple years ago on the Death Magnetic Tour, Rob is a great bassist.

I just wish they would put out more albums.
 
2013-02-10 04:26:53 PM  

HighZoolander: SPna15: Doom

excellent!

rickycal78: Not so, Justice introduced a 11 year old me to metal that wasn't the glam/hair metal I was used to hearing on the radio back in those days.

Well, I'm glad that at least someone got something out of it - and I'm sad that you couldn't have heard something better that wasn't glam.


Where I grew up I was lucky to have even the one radio station that played any kind of rock. Every other radio station in that area was either country or top 40. The only reason I found anything heavier at the time was because of the older sister of one of my friends and one of my uncles. My buddy's sister had a bunch of Judas Priest, Metallica, Suicidal Tendencies, Exodus, and some of the glam stuff. Then one day I discovered my uncle's music collection that had stuff from Metallica, Megadeth, Anthrax, Judas Priest, and lots of Iron Maiden.
 
2013-02-10 04:32:30 PM  
Hetfield has always been one of the greatest rhythm guitarist ever in metal.

As for the influence of Cliff, et al, I simply put forth that after Cliff died they brought in Jason. Listen to the albums by Flotsam & Jetsam with Jason, then listen for And Justice For All. Sound familiar? Like VERY familiar? His influence (though washed out in mixing) was all over that album, then they went and hired Bob Rock as a producer. For some reason, Rob Trujillo is asked to contribute very little musically, and I think that's because Bob Rock convinced them they were all musical masters, when inf act, Rob could play circles around all of them put together musically. I've seen Rob live with many other bands, and that dude is farking talented.

Once the Black Album went big, Metallica was writing their own future and could do anything they wanted. They were surrounded by Yes Men that were telling them everything sounds great. Hell, Bob Rock,l their farking producer, played Bass for them in the studio for a while. He was so enamored with them, he wanted to be one of them. Some Kind Of Monster was the final nail in their coffin. Props to Hetfield for getting sober, and sticking to his guns about time spent with the band and recording and all that (when it comes to recovery, he has to make the rules), but the whole mess was a whiny biatchfest. And the fans ate it up.

These new fans were the ones they used to make fun of, the ones they used to hate, they became exactly what they used to rail against. Is it selling out? Well, I don't know a single person in a band that plays original music that is doing it for charity, they all want to make it big, be rich and have loads of women, drugs and booze. I don't call it so much selling out as it was finding the perfect fit musically for as many people's tastes as possible.

In closing, Metallica are not sellouts, they are to metal what McDonald's is to Fast Food. Metallica is nothing more than a business. They are not a band, they are a business. They craft music with marketing in mind for it. I'll also add Metallica is America's answer to Nickelback. That's right, Metallica is no better than Nickelback anymore, and should be universally loathed for the same reasons
 
2013-02-10 04:37:02 PM  
A band like Nickelback wouldn't even dare to make an album like Lulu, nor would Lou Reed even give them the time or day.
 
2013-02-10 04:40:17 PM  

DontBeSoDigital: A band like Nickelback wouldn't even dare to make an album like Lulu, nor would Lou Reed even give them the time or day.


Yeah, but Metallica shouldn't have dared. The few sample tracks I heard from that were horrible.
 
2013-02-10 04:43:28 PM  
It's pretty rough, no doubt. But I think Junior Dad is pretty great. It would have been better as an EP. Lou Reed's voice is tough to get through.
 
2013-02-10 04:44:58 PM  

DontBeSoDigital: A band like Nickelback wouldn't even dare to make an album like Lulu, nor would Lou Reed even give them the time or day.


LuLu sounded like an old man reading bad poetry over his grandsons garage band. St. Anger was such a misfire, it's amazing it was greenlit by the distributor, but this goes back to my statement about Yes Men. Metallica can do anything at this point and their loyal fans will eat it up as the greatest thing since the last thing they did.

Death Magnetic was a bloated mess with terrible producing and mixing (the master tapes were ok which can be found on the Guitair Hero series). Songs were far longer than they needed to be, stupid intros that had nothing to do with the songs, hardly any solos, and all around horrid lyrics (though admittedly not nearly as bad as St. anger lyrics). They were trying to be something and missed the mark and what we, the fans got, was an overly loud mess, with some ok moments in the mix. I've personally tried remixing the songs to make them straight forward hard rock and metal songs, and was somewhat successful with it. I also know there were tons of torrents available (which gave me the idea to try it myself) that were all much better than their finished product.

Since Cliff's death, they have released 7 proper albums. That's about an album every 4 years. None of them are as metal as anything done with Cliff, and only 1 came close. Cliff was the heart and soul of the band, and was in charge of arrangements, chord changes and completely in control of the muscial direction. I offer up these 6 mediocre albums that had none of his influence on them as proof.
 
2013-02-10 04:49:13 PM  
Metallica and "Master of Puppets" was literally life-changing for me. I remember the first time I listened to this album like it was yesterday - it was 27 YEARS ago...damn.

/get off my lawn
//Master! Master!
 
2013-02-10 04:52:04 PM  
This week I've been listening to Taake - Hordalands Doedskvad part VII black metal

Janvs - Fvlgvres black metal

Xanthrochroid - In Putris Stagnum symphonic black metal (new/debut album)
 
kab
2013-02-10 05:39:08 PM  

HST's Dead Carcass: Songs were far longer than they needed to be


The pop music thread is that way  --->
 
2013-02-10 05:45:32 PM  

kab: HST's Dead Carcass: Songs were far longer than they needed to be

The punk music thread is that way  --->

 
2013-02-10 05:47:47 PM  

Adebisi: I love it when SHMHC greenlights new, underground metal.

Enshine
New Uncle Acid & the Deadbeats


Thanks for Uncle Acid, that had a feel like old Alice Cooper. Started me thinking back.
 
2013-02-10 05:52:16 PM  
SPna15

That Stygian song kills! How come they never broke out?
 
2013-02-10 05:53:02 PM  

kab: HST's Dead Carcass: Songs were far longer than they needed to be

The pop music thread is that way  --->


The majority of the songs were all over the 3-6 minute sweet spot most songs fall into. Granted much of their earlier works from Kill 'Em All to ...And Justice for All did too, they managed to not feel bloated. What HST's Dead Carcass mentioned about lousy production values and intro's that didn't mesh with the main body of the song are what made them seem too long. Death Magnetic seemed like it had a lot of potential, but the way it was put together sounded like shiat. Not to mention Jame's voice seemed to be going to hell too.
 
2013-02-10 06:04:31 PM  

rickycal78: kab: HST's Dead Carcass: Songs were far longer than they needed to be

The pop music thread is that way  --->

The majority of the songs were all over the 3-6 minute sweet spot most songs fall into. Granted much of their earlier works from Kill 'Em All to ...And Justice for All did too, they managed to not feel bloated. What HST's Dead Carcass mentioned about lousy production values and intro's that didn't mesh with the main body of the song are what made them seem too long. Death Magnetic seemed like it had a lot of potential, but the way it was put together sounded like shiat. Not to mention Jame's voice seemed to be going to hell too.


I still argue that had St. Anger and Death Magnetic had any other band name on the albums, they wouldn't have sold jack squat. The brand name of Metallica sold those albums, the music that is on them was not worth the millions of CD sales.
 
2013-02-10 06:04:32 PM  
Nothing, and I mean nothing is funnier on fark then a Metallica thread.....


We need a year end award to the farker who posts, the most "they sucked after Cliff died" posts.
 
2013-02-10 06:04:58 PM  

ybishop: SPna15

That Stygian song kills! How come they never broke out?


From what I can tell from looking them up it appears they broke up. Also note the time that the demo he posted was done. Early 90s, by that time the rock/metal scene was getting bloated with the various grunge bands of the day.
 
2013-02-10 06:11:52 PM  

El Brujo: This week I've been listening to Taake - Hordalands Doedskvad part VII black metal

Janvs - Fvlgvres black metal

Xanthrochroid - In Putris Stagnum symphonic black metal (new/debut album)


I tried. But you've got to be kidding...

Vomit Rock sucks, learn to sing/scream. I hate it when the singer sounds like a cat trying to upchuck a hairball. Many many otherwise great bands have been reduced to the unlistenable category by a vomiter instead of a screamer or singer.
 
2013-02-10 06:13:19 PM  

Mike Chewbacca: Real Women Drink Akvavit: I musically broke up with Metallica during the Napster shenanigans and the whole testifying in front of congress thing. Like none of them ever made a mix tape. Douchebags should have been grateful.

/better quality than a mix tape made over the radio just means less people will think you suck
//maybe

Waaaaah! I can't steal music as easily off the Internet as I used to! I love Metallica but I don't want to actually pay them for their product! Waaaaah!

/Just bought one of Eric Calderone's (AKA erock) albums because his YouTube channel is great and I've gotten many hours of enjoyment from it. I won't listen to it very often, but I want this guy to get rich.


Actually, if you'd pull your head out of Ulrich's nether regions long enough to learn something about the mysterious instrument you are using to sling your assumptions, you'd know that in order to play anything you find online - anything - your box has to load it first. It's already in your TIF/cache (depends on your OS) so I never used things like Napster. I was deeply offended by the whining about how downloads were costing them so much money that we ended up with the computer age version of jackbooted thugs who were suing people who didn't even know what Napster was (or little old people who didn't even use a computer and settling out of court for $5,000 a pop cuz they couldn't afford a lawyer) and the hypocrisy of whining about people with crappy skillz downloading, not over the fact they were doing so, but over the fact that the quality was so much better they didn't have to buy the album to see how Metallica truly sounds.

This is computer 101 stuff. No need to illegally download anything when you can find it on the internet somewhere (in many cases, on the band's own website/MySpace page), play it and they just give it to you on your hard drive. If you like it, pull it out of your TIF/cache and buy something from the band. If you don't - nuke it. Easy and hardly illegal or immoral.

One of my favorite places to find new, mostly unsigned, bands right now and just pull the stuff out of my cache is Mikseri. I then contact the bands if I like them and buy some of their swag so they actually get monies and stuff. If I don't *digital version of mushroom cloud goes here*. I've got some really nifty stuff now, some from bands that no longer exist, which makes me sad, but they got beer money straight to them from me. It's win-win.
 
2013-02-10 06:15:29 PM  

Loneman1: mooseyfate: poot_rootbeer: Rob Trujillo has been a member of Metallica for more than twice as long as Cliff ever was.

Yeah, during the worst years.  Also, he's only been with the band for ONE studio release which is best described as forgettable, as opposed to the three groundbreaking, Metallica-shaping albums that Cliff was a huge part of.  Nice try, though.  I'm sure if no one in this thread knew fark-all about Metallica, that might have been a good post for you.

While I am probably one of the bigger Metallica supporters a person could probably ever meet and I may be a bit biased, but to call "Death Magnetic" really forgettable, I can't agree with you on that.  It had quite a few really solid songs on there, definitely a throwback to their earlier stuff.  It might not be quite in the same league as Puppets, but it is one of their more solid albums IMO.



I think Death Magnetic is one of their weakest albums. It's the only one of their albums that feels to me like they were doing it for someone other than themselves. every riff seemed like they were writing it because it's what they thought other people wanted to hear. the lyrics had no heart backing them up, it's like James wrote the most generic shiat he could think up. you may not like St. Anger ('you' in the whoever is reading this sense), but you can't really say that what James was singing about wasn't from his heart. While Death Magnetic has some 'cool' riffs, the whole thing feels uninspired.
 
2013-02-10 06:20:54 PM  

Klom Dark: El Brujo: This week I've been listening to Taake - Hordalands Doedskvad part VII black metal

Janvs - Fvlgvres black metal

Xanthrochroid - In Putris Stagnum symphonic black metal (new/debut album)

I tried. But you've got to be kidding...

Vomit Rock sucks, learn to sing/scream. I hate it when the singer sounds like a cat trying to upchuck a hairball. Many many otherwise great bands have been reduced to the unlistenable category by a vomiter instead of a screamer or singer.


don't care
 
2013-02-10 06:22:50 PM  

HST's Dead Carcass: rickycal78: kab: HST's Dead Carcass: Songs were far longer than they needed to be

The pop music thread is that way  --->

The majority of the songs were all over the 3-6 minute sweet spot most songs fall into. Granted much of their earlier works from Kill 'Em All to ...And Justice for All did too, they managed to not feel bloated. What HST's Dead Carcass mentioned about lousy production values and intro's that didn't mesh with the main body of the song are what made them seem too long. Death Magnetic seemed like it had a lot of potential, but the way it was put together sounded like shiat. Not to mention Jame's voice seemed to be going to hell too.

I still argue that had St. Anger and Death Magnetic had any other band name on the albums, they wouldn't have sold jack squat. The brand name of Metallica sold those albums, the music that is on them was not worth the millions of CD sales.


I'll agree on St. Anger, but based on the singles that were released I can see people taking a chance and picking up Death Magnetic. I actually liked The Day That Never Comes and one of the variations of Cyanide (wasn't the studio version) that I heard before looking up the rest of the album and deciding not to get it.
 
2013-02-10 06:41:42 PM  

rickycal78: HST's Dead Carcass: rickycal78: kab: HST's Dead Carcass: Songs were far longer than they needed to be

The pop music thread is that way  --->

The majority of the songs were all over the 3-6 minute sweet spot most songs fall into. Granted much of their earlier works from Kill 'Em All to ...And Justice for All did too, they managed to not feel bloated. What HST's Dead Carcass mentioned about lousy production values and intro's that didn't mesh with the main body of the song are what made them seem too long. Death Magnetic seemed like it had a lot of potential, but the way it was put together sounded like shiat. Not to mention Jame's voice seemed to be going to hell too.

I still argue that had St. Anger and Death Magnetic had any other band name on the albums, they wouldn't have sold jack squat. The brand name of Metallica sold those albums, the music that is on them was not worth the millions of CD sales.

I'll agree on St. Anger, but based on the singles that were released I can see people taking a chance and picking up Death Magnetic. I actually liked The Day That Never Comes and one of the variations of Cyanide (wasn't the studio version) that I heard before looking up the rest of the album and deciding not to get it.


Forgot to mention the instrumental from Death Magnetic that helped make it seem like a return to form, Suicide and Redemption, that was one of the gems on that album.

I'll also say this, there were portions of various songs on St. Anger that were good, but somehow were surrounded by shiat. I'm not sure if it was some kind of fluke, or if the good parts of these songs were the initial riffs that was built off of to finish the song, but the end result was a bunch of over all crap.
 
2013-02-10 06:45:11 PM  

RockofAges: *massive snip*

Bandcamp is also awesome this way. That's how I found Screaming Savior and I think Forgotten Tomb as well. Datassette for all you electronic music fans too.


I like a wide variety of music, but mostly metal, pretty heavy on the Nordic bands, so I love Mikseri, but will definitely check out Bandcamp as this is the first I've heard of it. Thanks, dude! I love finding new stuff, no matter from what country it hails. My music philosophy is the same one I use for food. If you like it, screw what other people think and enjoy!

Heh. On the radio station portion of Mikseri they added a "download MP3" button ages ago. (Some of the band pages have the same thing for some, if not all, of their songs). I just keep forgetting to use it I'm so used to pulling things out of my cache. Not only that, it plays the song again as it is downloading, and I may not necessarily want to hear the song a second time right that moment. I just want it for the future, or am undecided on the band in general and giving them a chance to give me an ear worm.
 
2013-02-10 06:49:05 PM  

RockofAges: Bandcamp is also awesome this way.


Bandcamp
is
awesome
 
2013-02-10 07:05:30 PM  
 
2013-02-10 07:23:05 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: I was deeply offended by the whining about how downloads were costing them so much money that we ended up with the computer age version of jackbooted thugs who were suing people who didn't even know what Napster was (or little old people who didn't even use a computer and settling out of court for $5,000 a pop cuz they couldn't afford a lawyer) and the hypocrisy of whining about people with crappy skillz downloading, not over the fact they were doing so, but over the fact that the quality was so much better they didn't have to buy the album to see how Metallica truly sounds.


To be fair, you're leaving out the part where unreleased music Metallica were working on at the time (I think it was a demo for what would later be "Fuel") was ripped from their hard drives by hackers then shared over Napster, and that whole ordeal was Lars's main gripe. On the one hand, it's pretty enviable and telling of how big Metallica were that their fans were so ravenous for new art they'd go to that end--but on the other hand, it's not exactly the fan-liest or most ethical thing to hack one's favorite artist's data, rip their half-baked music, and distribute it either.

For what it's worth, Lars has since pulled a 180 on how he feels about Metallica's music being freely available on the Internet (as I recall, he specifically cited the benefit of the easy availability of their music holds for metalheads in countries where Metallica, metal, and all secular music are straight up illegal/banned), but he'll never be able to shake that RIAA figurehead image ascribed to him by the peanut gallery, probably because he was the best known and (sadly) most ironic voice in the public arena on the issue.

I'm not saying any iteration of Lars's opinion is purely in the right or wrong on the much bigger filesharing/Internet piracy issue, just that, in the big picture, the whole Ulrich v Napster case (NOT RIAA v Grandma) is much less black and white than how popular history seems to remember it--and that, in the smaller picture, your comparison of copy/pasting readily available streaming music from a cache doesn't equate with savvy hackers tracking down an IP, cracking its node, accessing and downloading a popular artist's unfinished work, then sharing it with the world.

/FIRE BAD
 
2013-02-10 07:55:40 PM  

SPna15: RockofAges: Bandcamp is also awesome this way.

Bandcamp
is
awesome


Holy crap! I didn't know that Cultes des Ghoules would have a new album this year - that's the best news I've had all week. Also, glad to see that Abhorer's albums will finally be available. Good  on ya, HHR.
 
2013-02-10 07:57:26 PM  
They may not be what they once were, but I'd still wet my pants if I got to meet Hetfield today. Then I'd go back in time and tell my 14-year old self who just heard Blackened for the first time all about it.
 
2013-02-10 08:04:04 PM  

AnotherBluesStringer: mooseyfate: poot_rootbeer: Rob Trujillo has been a member of Metallica for more than twice as long as Cliff ever was.

Yeah, during the worst years.  Also, he's only been with the band for ONE studio release which is best described as forgettable, as opposed to the three groundbreaking, Metallica-shaping albums that Cliff was a huge part of.  Nice try, though.  I'm sure if no one in this thread knew fark-all about Metallica, that might have been a good post for you.

One studio release? Wasn't Rob with them for St. Anger, Death Magnetic, and Lulu (I think that's the name of album they did with Lou Reed)?

/I liked Death Magnetic.
//Too bad everybody gave up with them after St. Anger.


Bob Rock played bass for St. Anger.  Rob toured with them to promote the album, but he wasn't even in Metallica yet when St. Anger was being recorded.
 
2013-02-10 08:05:07 PM  
And even if he had been in the band for St. Anger, it's not exactly something you want to try and hold up against Cliff Burton's time with Metallica.
 
2013-02-10 08:07:18 PM  

mooseyfate: Bob Rock played bass for St. Anger. Rob toured with them to promote the album, but he wasn't even in Metallica yet when St. Anger was being recorded.


Also, he's a member in as much as he's a hired mercenary to the group. The other 3 split all the money and he gets a solid paycheck for his role in the group. He has no power to influence anything outside of his bass parts, and should someone else in the band want him to do it different, he does it different. He's a session player that gets to be in band pictures, as far as the other 3 are concerned.
 
2013-02-10 08:08:22 PM  

saintwrathchild: Real Women Drink Akvavit: I was deeply offended by the whining about how downloads were costing them so much money that we ended up with the computer age version of jackbooted thugs who were suing people who didn't even know what Napster was (or little old people who didn't even use a computer and settling out of court for $5,000 a pop cuz they couldn't afford a lawyer) and the hypocrisy of whining about people with crappy skillz downloading, not over the fact they were doing so, but over the fact that the quality was so much better they didn't have to buy the album to see how Metallica truly sounds.

To be fair, you're leaving out the part where unreleased music Metallica were working on at the time (I think it was a demo for what would later be "Fuel") was ripped from their hard drives by hackers then shared over Napster, and that whole ordeal was Lars's main gripe. On the one hand, it's pretty enviable and telling of how big Metallica were that their fans were so ravenous for new art they'd go to that end--but on the other hand, it's not exactly the fan-liest or most ethical thing to hack one's favorite artist's data, rip their half-baked music, and distribute it either.

For what it's worth, Lars has since pulled a 180 on how he feels about Metallica's music being freely available on the Internet (as I recall, he specifically cited the benefit of the easy availability of their music holds for metalheads in countries where Metallica, metal, and all secular music are straight up illegal/banned), but he'll never be able to shake that RIAA figurehead image ascribed to him by the peanut gallery, probably because he was the best known and (sadly) most ironic voice in the public arena on the issue.

I'm not saying any iteration of Lars's opinion is purely in the right or wrong on the much bigger filesharing/Internet piracy issue, just that, in the big picture, the whole Ulrich v Napster case (NOT RIAA v Grandma) is much less black and white than how popular history see ...


That was not cool. Not cool at all. If you want to poke around out of curiosity and can do it without getting caught, don't cause damage and don't share your shenanigans outside of the hack and crack world. Don't even share it there, because they know how to go look for themselves for the most part. (or are learning and need the practice) Also be prepared to be Mitnicked. Kevin "The Condor" Mitnick was legendary - and still got caught and spent years in prison with hundreds of millions in "damages" he was ordered to pay - and he didn't take anything.

The cracking incident is one aspect of that whole thing I do not fault anyone for being upset about. If someone had stolen my stuff and put it up on Scribd without my permission, I'd be ticked. I'm a chef, so the almost obligatory cookbook will some day be written, but in the meantime, I have no problem with sharing with others. However, that's if they ASK. I will also post my creations and even the beginnings of ideas on open forums, so then everyone who wants it can get it just by looking. If they just busted into my drive, well, "ticked" doesn't begin to describe my most likely reaction, especially since I do share my creations freely. It would be like they raped my poor Lilith. (My fav computer's name.) That would be unacceptable to me. Totally.
 
2013-02-10 08:16:51 PM  

Real Women Drink Akvavit: saintwrathchild: Real Women Drink Akvavit: I was deeply offended by the whining about how downloads were costing them so much money that we ended up with the computer age version of jackbooted thugs who were suing people who didn't even know what Napster was (or little old people who didn't even use a computer and settling out of court for $5,000 a pop cuz they couldn't afford a lawyer) and the hypocrisy of whining about people with crappy skillz downloading, not over the fact they were doing so, but over the fact that the quality was so much better they didn't have to buy the album to see how Metallica truly sounds.

To be fair, you're leaving out the part where unreleased music Metallica were working on at the time (I think it was a demo for what would later be "Fuel") was ripped from their hard drives by hackers then shared over Napster, and that whole ordeal was Lars's main gripe. On the one hand, it's pretty enviable and telling of how big Metallica were that their fans were so ravenous for new art they'd go to that end--but on the other hand, it's not exactly the fan-liest or most ethical thing to hack one's favorite artist's data, rip their half-baked music, and distribute it either.

For what it's worth, Lars has since pulled a 180 on how he feels about Metallica's music being freely available on the Internet (as I recall, he specifically cited the benefit of the easy availability of their music holds for metalheads in countries where Metallica, metal, and all secular music are straight up illegal/banned), but he'll never be able to shake that RIAA figurehead image ascribed to him by the peanut gallery, probably because he was the best known and (sadly) most ironic voice in the public arena on the issue.

I'm not saying any iteration of Lars's opinion is purely in the right or wrong on the much bigger filesharing/Internet piracy issue, just that, in the big picture, the whole Ulrich v Napster case (NOT RIAA v Grandma) is much less black and white than how po ...


That's ok, they're releasing unfinished demo's as an EP from the Death Magnetic sessions. They've become so lazy and rich, they don't even bother to finish tunes for release. I guess they're paying them back by charging for unfinished songs.
 
2013-02-10 08:30:05 PM  
Cliff and I were neighbors as kids. He was probably just leaving elementary school/entering junior high; I finished junior high and entered high school. He was just a sweetie, even as a kid. Most of the guys in the neighborhood were teen jerks in an 'I coulda totally kicked his a** / I coulda totally had her" kind of way (including his big brother, Scott), but I remember Cliff as a genuine and thoughtful kid. We'd sit on the curb together contemplating the meaning of life.

Last time I saw him was 1981, I think - I'd been living in Sacramento and was moving back to town. Rented a U-haul and he turned out to be working there. Didn't recognize him after all those years; he had his trademark orange mane and he just said "Hi", and when I looked puzzled, he said, "Cliff Burton!" Sad end to a good guy, but I'm glad he enjoyed success with the band.
 
2013-02-10 08:46:28 PM  
This concert happened two months before I was born.

I loved Metallica when I was in high school.

Just dropping by to make a bunch of you Farkers feel old.
 
2013-02-10 09:30:34 PM  

Lachwen: This concert happened two months before I was born.

I loved Metallica when I was in high school.

Just dropping by to make a bunch of you Farkers feel old.


Same here.  Got my first Metallica tape when I was 8 and I was hooked until St. Anger.
 
2013-02-10 09:35:46 PM  

mooseyfate: rickycal78: Ahhh, back when Metallica was still putting out metal. Good times. I still think the band started it's slow decline with Cliff's death. Sure Justice was still a metal album, but that was it. Pretty much everything that followed was more hard rock than metal. Nothing wrong with that mind you since I still like a fair amount of their stuff after Justice, but it just wasn't metal anymore.

I was with them all the way up until St. Anger.  That CD was....unforgivable.  At least before that CD you had the excuse of saying they sounded more polished, more like professional musicians.  St. Anger was just a confused, shiatty mess.


To be fair, Metallica were a confused, shiatty mess when they were making that album. Jason had just quit due to major creative differences between him and James, who would shortly thereafter check himself into rehab because of his alcoholism, and Lars was in the middle of suing Napster. Plus they were going through group therapy to try to iron out some of their kinks, with their therapist eventually becoming one of those kinks.

/and Kirk got a speeding ticket
 
2013-02-10 09:43:05 PM  

King Something: mooseyfate: rickycal78: Ahhh, back when Metallica was still putting out metal. Good times. I still think the band started it's slow decline with Cliff's death. Sure Justice was still a metal album, but that was it. Pretty much everything that followed was more hard rock than metal. Nothing wrong with that mind you since I still like a fair amount of their stuff after Justice, but it just wasn't metal anymore.

I was with them all the way up until St. Anger.  That CD was....unforgivable.  At least before that CD you had the excuse of saying they sounded more polished, more like professional musicians.  St. Anger was just a confused, shiatty mess.

To be fair, Metallica were are a confused, shiatty mess when they were making that album. Jason had just quit due to major creative differences between him and James, who would shortly thereafter check himself into rehab because of his alcoholism, and Lars was in the middle of suing Napster. Plus they were going through group therapy to try to iron out some of their kinks, with their therapist eventually becoming one of those kinks.

/and Kirk got a speeding ticket



Fixed.

/Kirk's always had a lead foot.
 
2013-02-10 10:01:17 PM  
I always find it funny that people give so much shiat to Metallica after their "sell out" phase, but Megadeth gets a free pass for pandering to the fans and regurgitating the same "thrashy" album over and over since 2004 despite releasing two albums that were poppier than anything Metallica ever did.
 
2013-02-10 10:29:46 PM  

CZMisfitsFan: I always find it funny that people give so much shiat to Metallica after their "sell out" phase, but Megadeth gets a free pass for pandering to the fans and regurgitating the same "thrashy" album over and over since 2004 despite releasing two albums that were poppier than anything Metallica ever did.


As someone else mentioned upthread, Metallica didn't sell out so much as they did what they set out to do. That is make a whole lotta moolah and be "big". Also, I've never heard anyone other than one of said pandered to fans rave about Mustaine at all. I have been at a pool hall and heard someone complain when something came on the jukebox "this was Megadeth's last GOOD album". Only once, though. I don't hang out there, though.

Metal head types, no matter which subgenre they prefer (if any), can be a bit catty, if not outright elitist, so the Metallica and Megadeth (I can't name a single album of theirs, I don't think) hate is simply par for the course. Drunken college age karaoke chicks are worse, but they tend not to wear spiked gauntlets and other sharp, potentially dangerous things (or burn churches or get stabby on each other or send letter bombs to people they don't like, etc).

/guilty of that elitist thing sometimes myself
//I've gotten better about that sort of thing over the years and am now more helpful than elitist
yay, me?
 
2013-02-10 11:00:57 PM  

CZMisfitsFan: I always find it funny that people give so much shiat to Metallica after their "sell out" phase, but Megadeth gets a free pass for pandering to the fans and regurgitating the same "thrashy" album over and over since 2004 despite releasing two albums that were poppier than anything Metallica ever did.


I've never heard anyone give Megadeth a "free pass". They catch just as much shiat for their substandard/sellout albums.
 
2013-02-10 11:09:53 PM  

Adebisi: CZMisfitsFan: I always find it funny that people give so much shiat to Metallica after their "sell out" phase, but Megadeth gets a free pass for pandering to the fans and regurgitating the same "thrashy" album over and over since 2004 despite releasing two albums that were poppier than anything Metallica ever did.

I've never heard anyone give Megadeth a "free pass". They catch just as much shiat for their substandard/sellout albums.


It also doesn't help that Dave's gone just a bit nuts over the years, as well as some accusing Dave of using pre-recorded vocals at live performances.
 
2013-02-10 11:25:20 PM  
I used to be, no joke, Metallica's #1 fan and to hear them go from Whiplash to Nothing Else Matters was heartbreaking. It was all downhill from there.

What's next, a free-form jazz exploration?

home.comcast.net
 
2013-02-10 11:34:55 PM  
Death Magnetic is the most unlistenable music I have ever heard.
 
2013-02-10 11:49:16 PM  
Slayer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7KsPZ1f7MDs

vs

Metallica:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bg92QpjRcJk

vs

NWA:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiX7GTelTPM

16 years old when these songs were on MTV...

Child of the early nineties...
 
2013-02-10 11:59:11 PM  
RIP Metallica
 
2013-02-11 12:27:50 AM  
God this makes me so sad... not just at Cliff's death, but what a reminder it was at how good they used to be. Hard to imagine now there was a time when Lars was a capable drummer.
 
2013-02-11 01:14:49 AM  
 
2013-02-11 01:20:37 AM  
Ice T It was a good day. Couple years later.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViK8PwbJmxo

Couple years earlier: Metallica

Seek and Destroy:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVM8DUhdLyo
 
2013-02-11 01:24:07 AM  

rickycal78: It also doesn't help that Dave's gone just a bit nuts over the years, as well as some accusing Dave of using pre-recorded vocals at live performances.


That sounds like an improvement.  Unless they're using his vocals, then it's a wash.
 
2013-02-11 01:39:47 AM  

Duck_of_Doom: rickycal78: It also doesn't help that Dave's gone just a bit nuts over the years, as well as some accusing Dave of using pre-recorded vocals at live performances.

That sounds like an improvement.  Unless they're using his vocals, then it's a wash.


It would really be hilarious if someone accidentally put some of Hetfield's singing on when Mustaine was lip synching. The look on his face just as he realized it would be priceless.
 
2013-02-11 02:01:11 AM  
El Brujo:
/for a professional metal drummer, Lars is maybe the least skilled on the planet.

So much this.

But what really strikes me is how watered down his live performances are compared to his studio performances. What a lack of regard for your own art.

And fark the endurance excuse. Old man Peart is pushing 60 and still replicating his studio performances hit for hit, and usually faster than in the studio, in almost 3 hour shows. Ditto every other metal drummer I've seen live, young and old. It's a kind of "not giving a shiat" attitude towards the whole live performance thing vibe that's very annoying.
 
2013-02-11 02:14:48 AM  

rickycal78: kab: HST's Dead Carcass: Songs were far longer than they needed to be

The pop music thread is that way  --->

The majority of the songs were all over the 3-6 minute sweet spot most songs fall into. Granted much of their earlier works from Kill 'Em All to ...And Justice for All did too, they managed to not feel bloated. What HST's Dead Carcass mentioned about lousy production values and intro's that didn't mesh with the main body of the song are what made them seem too long. Death Magnetic seemed like it had a lot of potential, but the way it was put together sounded like shiat. Not to mention Jame's voice seemed to be going to hell too.


Death Magnetic, to me, sounded like a desperate clutch at glory days past. Sorry dudes, that ship sailed. Hard to sound like the voice of disenfranchised youth when you're a 40-50 something millionaire.
 
2013-02-11 02:42:51 AM  

poot_rootbeer: Rob Trujillo has been a member of Metallica for more than twice as long as Cliff ever was.


And Jason Newsted was better than both of 'em. Your point?

/Why, yes, I do prefer Sammy Hagar, why do you ask?
 
2013-02-11 03:51:58 AM  

IlGreven: poot_rootbeer: Rob Trujillo has been a member of Metallica for more than twice as long as Cliff ever was.

And Jason Newsted was better than both of 'em. Your point?

/Why, yes, I do prefer Sammy Hagar, why do you ask?


I honestly don't know if Newsted was technically better than Burton or not, but there's no way he could have made something as awesome as Orion. Cliff wasn't just the cool guy bass player, I believe he had the most musical training of anyone in the band and could write an awesome piece of music.
 
2013-02-11 04:57:38 AM  
Death Magnetic, to me, sounded like a desperate clutch at glory days past. Sorry dudes, that ship sailed. Hard to sound like the voice of disenfranchised youth when you're a 40-50 something millionaire.

SO very much this. How am I supposed to take Lars as a serious metal musician when he's sipping Christal and buying 8 million dollar art pieces?
 
2013-02-11 05:53:37 AM  

ybishop: Death Magnetic, to me, sounded like a desperate clutch at glory days past. Sorry dudes, that ship sailed. Hard to sound like the voice of disenfranchised youth when you're a 40-50 something millionaire.

SO very much this. How am I supposed to take Lars as a serious metal musician when he's sipping Christal and buying 8 million dollar art pieces?


I don't mind him using his cash as much as I mind replacing every kick pattern in the records with kick-snare-kick-snare-kick-snare...
 
2013-02-11 05:55:03 AM  

browntimmy: IlGreven: poot_rootbeer: Rob Trujillo has been a member of Metallica for more than twice as long as Cliff ever was.

And Jason Newsted was better than both of 'em. Your point?

/Why, yes, I do prefer Sammy Hagar, why do you ask?

I honestly don't know if Newsted was technically better than Burton or not, but there's no way he could have made something as awesome as Orion. Cliff wasn't just the cool guy bass player, I believe he had the most musical training of anyone in the band and could write an awesome piece of music.


Have you heard Newsted's latest EP "METAL"? it's... Metal. \m/
 
2013-02-11 07:59:21 AM  

Mike Chewbacca: Real Women Drink Akvavit: I musically broke up with Metallica during the Napster shenanigans and the whole testifying in front of congress thing. Like none of them ever made a mix tape. Douchebags should have been grateful.

/better quality than a mix tape made over the radio just means less people will think you suck
//maybe

Waaaaah! I can't steal music as easily off the Internet as I used to! I love Metallica but I don't want to actually pay them for their product! Waaaaah!

/Just bought one of Eric Calderone's (AKA erock) albums because his YouTube channel is great and I've gotten many hours of enjoyment from it. I won't listen to it very often, but I want this guy to get rich.


Read the liner notes to Garage Inc sometime - Hetfield and Ulrich admit in that to committing lots of copyright infringement in their youth, and mostly of obscure bands that never sold many copies in the first place, so it is funny they became one of the leading anti-piracy voices around that time.
 
2013-02-11 08:32:37 AM  
Cliff might just be the most overrated bass player of all time... The only reason we think he is so good is because he died during Metallica's golden age.

I'm not saying he is a bad bass player ...just WAY overrated.
 
2013-02-11 09:22:05 AM  

Perlin Noise: Cliff might just be the most overrated bass player of all time... The only reason we think he is so good is because he died during Metallica's golden age.

I'm not saying he is a bad bass player ...just WAY overrated.


He sure as hell ain't no Michael Anthony.
 
2013-02-11 12:28:34 PM  

Perlin Noise: Cliff might just be the most overrated bass player of all time... The only reason we think he is so good is because he died during Metallica's golden age.

I'm not saying he is a bad bass player ...just WAY overrated.


Thank you. As a musician/composer, hats off and deepest respect. As a bass player... Eh. Distorted guitar licks on a bass don't impress me much.
 
2013-02-11 12:39:21 PM  

xria: Mike Chewbacca: Real Women Drink Akvavit: I musically broke up with Metallica during the Napster shenanigans and the whole testifying in front of congress thing. Like none of them ever made a mix tape. Douchebags should have been grateful.

/better quality than a mix tape made over the radio just means less people will think you suck
//maybe

Waaaaah! I can't steal music as easily off the Internet as I used to! I love Metallica but I don't want to actually pay them for their product! Waaaaah!

/Just bought one of Eric Calderone's (AKA erock) albums because his YouTube channel is great and I've gotten many hours of enjoyment from it. I won't listen to it very often, but I want this guy to get rich.

Read the liner notes to Garage Inc sometime - Hetfield and Ulrich admit in that to committing lots of copyright infringement in their youth, and mostly of obscure bands that never sold many copies in the first place, so it is funny they became one of the leading anti-piracy voices around that time.




Yes, and when they were starting out, they encouraged fans to make copies of their demos for their friends. But Napster is orders of magnitude larger than what the guys did in their youth. Making three bootlegged cassettes for friends is nothing like leaving your pc connected to Napster 24/7 for weeks at a time.
 
2013-02-11 03:58:44 PM  
As was kind of noted before, Metallica changed from metal to hard rock when they took on Bob Rock to produce their self-titled album. The difference between Master of Puppets with Cliff and ...And Justice for All without Cliff is almost nil. The massive change was when Bob Rock came on board.
 
2013-02-11 05:08:33 PM  

madgonad: As was kind of noted before, Metallica changed from metal to hard rock when they took on Bob Rock to produce their self-titled album. The difference between Master of Puppets with Cliff and ...And Justice for All without Cliff is almost nil. The massive change was when Bob Rock came on board.


Which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but he did encourage the band members to polish their weak-points.  Kirk and James took proper guitar lessons, James was sent to a voice coach to make his voice more useful, and Lars, I'm assuming, was sent to the United States Asshole Academy to study Douchenomics under Professor John Fitzgerald Page.
 
2013-02-11 09:29:44 PM  
1986, Poplar Creek Music Theater, 15 years old. We walked in Ozzy fans, walked out Metallica fans.  Proud to say I still am, except for the St Anger album (Shoot me again not too bad) and that farkin Memory Remains song. Hey, they can't all be good.
 
2013-02-13 09:51:12 AM  

ybishop: Death Magnetic, to me, sounded like a desperate clutch at glory days past. Sorry dudes, that ship sailed. Hard to sound like the voice of disenfranchised youth when you're a 40-50 something millionaire.

SO very much this. How am I supposed to take Lars as a serious metal musician when he's sipping Christal and buying 8 million dollar art pieces?


Death Magnetic had some bright spots on it.  But it was an overall depressing album.  Because it was the first album in something like 20 years where they didn't have Bob Rock, and without his influence it was a much better album than anything over that period.  It depresses me because I think we could have had some really good Metallica through the 90s and 00s without bob rock shiatting all over things.
 
2013-02-13 07:44:20 PM  

Texas Gabe: I used to be, no joke, Metallica's #1 fan and to hear them go from Whiplash to Nothing Else Matters was heartbreaking. It was all downhill from there.


I don't know about #1 fan, but I was a big fan of them when I was in high school. I was a senior waiting for their new album to come out. I was all jazzed up about it because I liked all their other albums and thought they were getting heavier and heavier. Puppets killed. Justice was great. The next album was going to rip my face off right! And then the black album came out and I was all like

oi47.tinypic.com

never bought another album of theirs.
 
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