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(YouTube) Video Today's SHMHC remembers Metallica's Cliff Burton, who would have turned 51 today but had his life cut short in 1986. Here's the classic Disposable Heroes (Some not safe for work language, duh)   (youtube.com) divider line 119
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2013-02-10 11:59:22 AM
I got to see them open for Ozzy in Chattanooga just 2 months before his death.
It was a great show from Battery to Paranoid.
 
2013-02-10 12:21:58 PM
I saw him at the Philly Spectrum (w/Ozzy) on the Master of Puppets/Ultimate Sin tour. He was in great form, but Jake E Lee (from Ozzy's band) had a horrible night. I remember Cliff's solo like it was yesterday.

/Miss you (and what used to be Metallica), Cliff.
 
2013-02-10 12:25:45 PM
"This is a new one..."
 
2013-02-10 12:28:59 PM
This is the song that made me love Metallica. I'd liked the little I'd heard before, but this is the song where I was like hell yeah...
 
2013-02-10 12:31:21 PM
Is it just me, the thin buzzing quality of vhs-youtube-laptop speakers combo, or Kirk just stunk up on most of that solo?
 
2013-02-10 12:31:24 PM
Ahhh, back when Metallica was still putting out metal. Good times. I still think the band started it's slow decline with Cliff's death. Sure Justice was still a metal album, but that was it. Pretty much everything that followed was more hard rock than metal. Nothing wrong with that mind you since I still like a fair amount of their stuff after Justice, but it just wasn't metal anymore.
 
2013-02-10 12:38:35 PM
Finally, a SHMHC that no one can complain about.   Unless, like me, you can complain that you missed the Ozzy/Metallica tour in 86.

In retrospect, Burton was definitely the soul of Metallica.  The modern Metallica is way too Lars-centric for my tastes.
 
2013-02-10 12:41:23 PM
I musically broke up with Metallica during the Napster shenanigans and the whole testifying in front of congress thing. Like none of them ever made a mix tape. Douchebags should have been grateful.

/better quality than a mix tape made over the radio just means less people will think you suck
//maybe
 
2013-02-10 12:52:01 PM

Krymson Tyde: I got to see them open for Ozzy in Chattanooga just 2 months before his death.
It was a great show from Battery to Paranoid.


My wife has a backstage pass from that tour with Ozzy's and all of Metallica's autographs on it, including Cliff Burton's, from when they came through Salt Lake. She didn't even know who they were, they were just the other band at the Ozzy show.

/her dad knew the head of security at the venue
//wonder what that thing's worth?
 
2013-02-10 12:55:16 PM
Rob Trujillo has been a member of Metallica for more than twice as long as Cliff ever was.
 
2013-02-10 12:58:11 PM

rickycal78: Ahhh, back when Metallica was still putting out metal. Good times. I still think the band started it's slow decline with Cliff's death. Sure Justice was still a metal album, but that was it. Pretty much everything that followed was more hard rock than metal. Nothing wrong with that mind you since I still like a fair amount of their stuff after Justice, but it just wasn't metal anymore.


I was with them all the way up until St. Anger.  That CD was....unforgivable.  At least before that CD you had the excuse of saying they sounded more polished, more like professional musicians.  St. Anger was just a confused, shiatty mess.
 
2013-02-10 01:02:31 PM

poot_rootbeer: Rob Trujillo has been a member of Metallica for more than twice as long as Cliff ever was.


Yet Cliff had contributed to the band almost twice as much as Rob has. Cliff actually had some real musical training and did a lot of songwriting.
 
2013-02-10 01:03:08 PM

poot_rootbeer: Rob Trujillo has been a member of Metallica for more than twice as long as Cliff ever was.


Yeah, during the worst years.  Also, he's only been with the band for ONE studio release which is best described as forgettable, as opposed to the three groundbreaking, Metallica-shaping albums that Cliff was a huge part of.  Nice try, though.  I'm sure if no one in this thread knew fark-all about Metallica, that might have been a good post for you.
 
2013-02-10 01:03:47 PM

mooseyfate: rickycal78: Ahhh, back when Metallica was still putting out metal. Good times. I still think the band started it's slow decline with Cliff's death. Sure Justice was still a metal album, but that was it. Pretty much everything that followed was more hard rock than metal. Nothing wrong with that mind you since I still like a fair amount of their stuff after Justice, but it just wasn't metal anymore.

I was with them all the way up until St. Anger.  That CD was....unforgivable.  At least before that CD you had the excuse of saying they sounded more polished, more like professional musicians.  St. Anger was just a confused, shiatty mess.


Dont' get me wrong, I still like the band, St. Anger notwithstanding, but they've long since stopped doing metal.
 
2013-02-10 01:05:47 PM
And Metallica has sucked ever since.

Three great albums followed by decades of crap.
 
2013-02-10 01:07:19 PM

rickycal78: mooseyfate: rickycal78: Ahhh, back when Metallica was still putting out metal. Good times. I still think the band started it's slow decline with Cliff's death. Sure Justice was still a metal album, but that was it. Pretty much everything that followed was more hard rock than metal. Nothing wrong with that mind you since I still like a fair amount of their stuff after Justice, but it just wasn't metal anymore.

I was with them all the way up until St. Anger.  That CD was....unforgivable.  At least before that CD you had the excuse of saying they sounded more polished, more like professional musicians.  St. Anger was just a confused, shiatty mess.

Dont' get me wrong, I still like the band, St. Anger notwithstanding, but they've long since stopped doing metal.


I think it goes without saying that after ...And Justice for All they started focusing more on appearance, commercial success, and mainstream accessibility.  Metal bands can do that, but Metallica also changed the way they wrote music and the way their songs sounded.  Essentially, they turned themselves into something more people could digest, which is pretty much the definition of Alternative Rock.  I don't blame them, but I'm not going to deny it either.  I just happened to not care until St. Anger.
 
2013-02-10 01:08:13 PM
I'd forgotten how good they used to be live.
 
2013-02-10 01:12:47 PM

Hetfield: I'd forgotten how good they used to be live.


Your name with that post in this thread made me smile this morning.  Thanks.
 
2013-02-10 01:16:02 PM

mooseyfate: Hetfield: I'd forgotten how good they used to be live.

Your name with that post in this thread made me smile this morning.  Thanks.


It's an honor and a privilege.
 
2013-02-10 01:21:56 PM
Strange to hear him say "here's a new one".

As I was marveling at how James can play and sing at the same time...he messes up the verse. LOL
 
2013-02-10 01:26:32 PM
I was lucky enough to see the Metallica/Ozzy show right before the accident too. That show remains one of the best I've ever seen. It was mind blowing.


/I might have been tripping too...
 
2013-02-10 01:33:03 PM

Great_Milenko: Finally, a SHMHC that no one can complain about.




Ride the Lightning was their last good album. Master of Puppets was a boring slog and they just got worse from there. Though this version is far better than the album's.

Thrash
New Trad
Doom
 
2013-02-10 01:37:19 PM

purple kool-aid and a jigger of formaldehyde: Krymson Tyde: I got to see them open for Ozzy in Chattanooga just 2 months before his death.
It was a great show from Battery to Paranoid.

My wife has a backstage pass from that tour with Ozzy's and all of Metallica's autographs on it, including Cliff Burton's, from when they came through Salt Lake. She didn't even know who they were, they were just the other band at the Ozzy show.

/her dad knew the head of security at the venue
//wonder what that thing's worth?


Probably not very much. My birthday is coming up so I'd happily take that worthless relic off your hands.
 
2013-02-10 01:41:43 PM

SPna15: Great_Milenko: Finally, a SHMHC that no one can complain about.

Ride the Lightning was their last good album. Master of Puppets was a boring slog and they just got worse from there. Though this version is far better than the album's.

Thrash
New Trad
Doom


Oh christ, you're one of those Farkers.  I'll be standing way over there.  Away from you and your terrible "musical superiority".
 
2013-02-10 01:42:20 PM
I saw them in Edinburgh, Scotland about 2 weeks before Cliff died. They all hung outside and drank with a handful of us kids after the show during load-out. Really nice guys back then (even Lars). Anthrax was the opening band. What a great show.
 
2013-02-10 01:47:12 PM

mooseyfate: SPna15: Great_Milenko: Finally, a SHMHC that no one can complain about.

Ride the Lightning was their last good album. Master of Puppets was a boring slog and they just got worse from there. Though this version is far better than the album's.

Thrash
New Trad
Doom

Oh christ, you're one of those Farkers.  I'll be standing way over there.  Away from you and your terrible "musical superiority".




You're obviously new to these threads.

I honestly don't give a sh*t about Metallica one way or another at this point, I just wanted to prove Great Milenko wrong.

New Manilla Road album is f*cking awesome as expected.
 
2013-02-10 01:48:17 PM
This is still my favorite Metallica tune.

Too bad Cliff had to die for the rest of em to turn into the colossal dbags they are today.
 
2013-02-10 01:52:16 PM

SPna15: Great_Milenko: Finally, a SHMHC that no one can complain about.

Ride the Lightning was their last good album. Master of Puppets was a boring slog and they just got worse from there. Though this version is far better than the album's.

Thrash
New Trad
Doom


The first 2 bands you listed were pretty decent, although I could have done without half a video of the band members asses in the bolded one.

The third band you listed seemed to be as much a boring slog as you called MoP. 18-19 minute songs of that stuff? Sheesh.
 
kab
2013-02-10 01:52:53 PM

SPna15: Master of Puppets was a boring slog


There are times when opinions are actually completely incorrect.  This is one of them.
 
2013-02-10 01:56:51 PM
I got married June 14, 1986, my best man and ushers left the reception early to go to the Long Beach show, I honeymooned in Vegas and ended up in an emergency room, it's been all downhill from then, never eat shrimp cocktail from the buffet.
 
2013-02-10 02:09:54 PM
It would have been funny to see if Cliff would get a haircut and put on hip clothes.

And yes, he would have. Too much money on the table.
 
2013-02-10 02:11:41 PM

rickycal78: The third band you listed seemed to be as much a boring slog as you called MoP. 18-19 minute songs of that stuff? Sheesh.


Well it's a good thing they aren't a thrash band then. MoP was boring thrash album.

Thrash
till
Death
 
2013-02-10 02:13:40 PM

SPna15: mooseyfate: SPna15: Great_Milenko: Finally, a SHMHC that no one can complain about.

Ride the Lightning was their last good album. Master of Puppets was a boring slog and they just got worse from there. Though this version is far better than the album's.

Thrash
New Trad
Doom

Oh christ, you're one of those Farkers.  I'll be standing way over there.  Away from you and your terrible "musical superiority".

You're obviously new to these threads.

I honestly don't give a sh*t about Metallica one way or another at this point, I just wanted to prove Great Milenko wrong.

New Manilla Road album is f*cking awesome as expected.


Is it wrong that every time I hear those guys I can't help but think they'd be better served with a slightly more powerful vocalist? To me he sounds a bit like Robert Halford at times, but his wails just don't seem to carry the oomph Halford's voice has.
 
2013-02-10 02:21:28 PM

mooseyfate: SPna15: Great_Milenko: Finally, a SHMHC that no one can complain about.

Ride the Lightning was their last good album. Master of Puppets was a boring slog and they just got worse from there. Though this version is far better than the album's.

Thrash
New Trad
Doom

Oh christ, you're one of those Farkers.  I'll be standing way over there.  Away from you and your terrible "musical superiority".


The New Trad link isn't too bad.  Not even close to being as good as Master of Puppets though.
 
2013-02-10 02:27:19 PM

rickycal78: SPna15: mooseyfate: SPna15: Great_Milenko: Finally, a SHMHC that no one can complain about.

Ride the Lightning was their last good album. Master of Puppets was a boring slog and they just got worse from there. Though this version is far better than the album's.

Thrash
New Trad
Doom

Oh christ, you're one of those Farkers.  I'll be standing way over there.  Away from you and your terrible "musical superiority".

You're obviously new to these threads.

I honestly don't give a sh*t about Metallica one way or another at this point, I just wanted to prove Great Milenko wrong.

New Manilla Road album is f*cking awesome as expected.

Is it wrong that every time I hear those guys I can't help but think they'd be better served with a slightly more powerful vocalist? To me he sounds a bit like Robert Halford at times, but his wails just don't seem to carry the oomph Halford's voice has.


Well, they have two vocalists now. The newer guy Hellroadie, and Mark the guy who basically runs the band. Hellroadie actually has a pretty good range, though Manilla Road isn't the kind of band that lets him show off that range very often. Mark nowadays sounds like an old guy, but he's never really sounded like Halford to me. Back in his heyday I always thought he sounded like a gruffer and more American Ozzy. And when he wanted to, he could be vicious as hell.
 
2013-02-10 02:30:05 PM

Great_Milenko: mooseyfate: SPna15: Great_Milenko: Finally, a SHMHC that no one can complain about.

Ride the Lightning was their last good album. Master of Puppets was a boring slog and they just got worse from there. Though this version is far better than the album's.

Thrash
New Trad
Doom

Oh christ, you're one of those Farkers.  I'll be standing way over there.  Away from you and your terrible "musical superiority".

The New Trad link isn't too bad.  Not even close to being as good as Master of Puppets though.


At least I'm trying to make this thread better than just circlejerking about how Metallica has sucked for the past two and a half decades.
 
2013-02-10 02:30:54 PM

mooseyfate: poot_rootbeer: Rob Trujillo has been a member of Metallica for more than twice as long as Cliff ever was.

Yeah, during the worst years.  Also, he's only been with the band for ONE studio release which is best described as forgettable, as opposed to the three groundbreaking, Metallica-shaping albums that Cliff was a huge part of.  Nice try, though.  I'm sure if no one in this thread knew fark-all about Metallica, that might have been a good post for you.


While I am probably one of the bigger Metallica supporters a person could probably ever meet and I may be a bit biased, but to call "Death Magnetic" really forgettable, I can't agree with you on that.  It had quite a few really solid songs on there, definitely a throwback to their earlier stuff.  It might not be quite in the same league as Puppets, but it is one of their more solid albums IMO.
 
2013-02-10 02:38:25 PM

SPna15: Well, they have two vocalists now. The newer guy Hellroadie, and Mark the guy who basically runs the band. Hellroadie actually has a pretty good range, though Manilla Road isn't the kind of band that lets him show off that range very often. Mark nowadays sounds like an old guy, but he's never really sounded like Halford to me. Back in his heyday I always thought he sounded like a gruffer and more American Ozzy. And when he wanted to, he could be vicious as hell.


Suppose I should have clarified, Mark's vocals often tend to have a style similar to Halford's only without the oomph behind it, at least IMO.
 
2013-02-10 02:48:23 PM
 
2013-02-10 03:16:47 PM
Ugh, another crappy metal posting........Just kidding, I like metallica as much as the next guy, thou Black album is my favorite. Mainly cause I was 8 years old, glued to MTV,and thats what was projected into my brain constantly.

//Just finally got around to listening to their old stuff 2 years ago lol. Way late to the party.
 
2013-02-10 03:21:47 PM

HighZoolander: Ride the Lightning was better, but Master of Puppets was still a good album; everything they did after that is useless


Not so, Justice introduced a 11 year old me to metal that wasn't the glam/hair metal I was used to hearing on the radio back in those days.
 
2013-02-10 03:23:57 PM
They played a shiatty little bar in Toledo back in the early/ mid '80's. I asked the guy putting up the flyers on the telephone poles near our park about them because I thought the way they wrote their name on the flyer was cool. (I was about 13 and a longhair) The guy said they were heavy, and to tell my friends. He said he was the vocalist. He gave me a flyer, and climbed into the van full of denim wearing longhairs and took off. I thought they were just a local band. Csb
 
2013-02-10 03:24:06 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: I musically broke up with Metallica during the Napster shenanigans and the whole testifying in front of congress thing. Like none of them ever made a mix tape. Douchebags should have been grateful.

/better quality than a mix tape made over the radio just means less people will think you suck
//maybe


That's pretty much exactly when I stopped buying anything new of theirs also. Still listen to KTA, RtL, and MoP regularly. A few songs from the black album make there way into my giant random playlist from time to time, but yeah, nothing past that album.
 
2013-02-10 03:29:58 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: I musically broke up with Metallica during the Napster shenanigans and the whole testifying in front of congress thing. Like none of them ever made a mix tape. Douchebags should have been grateful.

/better quality than a mix tape made over the radio just means less people will think you suck
//maybe


Waaaaah! I can't steal music as easily off the Internet as I used to! I love Metallica but I don't want to actually pay them for their product! Waaaaah!

/Just bought one of Eric Calderone's (AKA erock) albums because his YouTube channel is great and I've gotten many hours of enjoyment from it. I won't listen to it very often, but I want this guy to get rich.
 
2013-02-10 03:42:52 PM

mooseyfate: poot_rootbeer: Rob Trujillo has been a member of Metallica for more than twice as long as Cliff ever was.

Yeah, during the worst years.  Also, he's only been with the band for ONE studio release which is best described as forgettable, as opposed to the three groundbreaking, Metallica-shaping albums that Cliff was a huge part of.  Nice try, though.  I'm sure if no one in this thread knew fark-all about Metallica, that might have been a good post for you.


One studio release? Wasn't Rob with them for St. Anger, Death Magnetic, and Lulu (I think that's the name of album they did with Lou Reed)?

/I liked Death Magnetic.
//Too bad everybody gave up with them after St. Anger.
 
2013-02-10 03:48:38 PM
 
2013-02-10 03:55:02 PM
I love it when SHMHC greenlights new, underground metal.

Enshine
New Uncle Acid & the Deadbeats
 
2013-02-10 03:55:05 PM

barneyfifesbullet: It would have been funny to see if Cliff would get a haircut and put on hip clothes.

And yes, he would have. Too much money on the table.


Not necessarily.

He actually had talent. Who's to say how long he would have hung around past Master of Puppets, anyway? Early 90s, at the latest?

Oh, and a Metallica thread without

25.media.tumblr.com

is disappointing.

/this is the major part of Robert Trujillo's contribution to Metallica.
//Never forgive Trujillo for rerecording the bass parts for the abominations that were 2002's rerecorded Blizzard of Ozz and Diary of a Madman. If he was willing to do that, he fits in perfectly with post-Napster Metallica.
 
2013-02-10 03:56:41 PM

SPna15: Doom


excellent!

rickycal78: Not so, Justice introduced a 11 year old me to metal that wasn't the glam/hair metal I was used to hearing on the radio back in those days.


Well, I'm glad that at least someone got something out of it - and I'm sad that you couldn't have heard something better that wasn't glam.
 
2013-02-10 04:07:09 PM
Metallica introduced a 9 year old me to heavy metal with Justice.  I thought it was awesome and for that I'm grateful.  After having been listening to metal for a long time, I can't remember the last time I've put on any Metallica.  I don't know that they would even make my top 50 bands list...doubtful.

/for a professional metal drummer, Lars is maybe the least skilled on the planet.
 
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