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(Salon)   For the last time, don't sell off property that's not yours, don't piss off a native tribe, and most definitely don't start a land war in Ecuador. "If they want to strip the gold from our lands, they will have to kill every last one of us"   (salon.com) divider line 23
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2013-02-10 11:05:54 AM
5 votes:
This crap has been happening all over South America for too many years. The last time I flew through Lima, I literally thought we were going to have a stopover in Tokyo. I asked the azafata at the Aerolineas Argentinas desk, "This IS the flight to Buenos Aires, correct? Really?" Get on any flight to Peru and half the people on the plane will be speaking Japanese. They own the country. Holy shiat, they even elected a guy named Fujimori, ruled for like a DECADE when I was in South America. He was like Margaret Thatcher.

Almost everybody I knew in Chile in the 90s is now part of the Chilean Indigenous Movement. They want to restore lands to the displaced, especially the Mapuches in Southern Chile. It kinda started when the music group Illapu was allowed back into the country after being exiled by Pinochet. Really interesting history. I don't think there's a book. Maybe I can find a publisher. Anyways... The Indigenous Movement really took off in the 90s, and Chileans became very European about recycling, dams, and how they WRECK ecosystems, etc. It's all very annoying for a person trying to get a job. But holy crap... MY friends are the leading generation of a movement of fairness. It's all very inspiring.

One of my best friends grew up in a really bad part of Santiago in the 80s. Just imagine the lifestyle. But as teenagers, I loved him because he was like a New-Yorker. He was polite, but sharp. We were in a cab once in Osorno, Chile, and he tells the cab driver, "Look, I'm going to talk to you like a Santiaguino. I know this craphole and I don't want to 'see the sights,' so let's just skip this shiat and get us to where I told you we need to go."

He and his whole generation (my generation) is part of the hippy indigenous rights movement in South America. There are a lot of them, and they believe in social justice, especially the ones from my generation who grew up under a dictatorship. (Do yourself a favor and buy some iTunes stuff from Illapu and Los Prisioneros. You won't be sorry.) That being said, Ecuador needs to get their shiat together. First of all, it took them like 7 wars to lose half their territory. I'm surprised they still have access to the ocean. Second, they own the Galapagos. How they didn't lose those islands to some sort of turtle insurrection, I'm shocked. They really need to re-focus on tourism, because EVERYWHERE in South America is beautiful. God, It's just beautiful.

Go there. Be there. Contribute to the economy, so they don't have to sell it to China. Seriously.
2013-02-10 01:54:13 PM
2 votes:

Lorelle: topcon:Get real.

I can relate to what that tribe's going through, because I'm 1/4 San Carlos Apache.


Yeah, great.  Yet you've been living in and enjoying the benefits of having lived in the United States your entire life.

But then you like to talk about how horrible it is.
2013-02-10 01:01:34 PM
2 votes:
The most dangerous place on earth to stand is between the wealthy and more wealth.
2013-02-10 12:58:26 PM
2 votes:
I was all "yeah, fight the power!" until i heard it was China.

It can't be bargained with. It can't be reasoned with. It doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop until you are dead.
2013-02-10 12:55:34 PM
2 votes:
Looks like our oil, gold, land etc. managed to get under some brown people again.
2013-02-10 10:29:31 AM
2 votes:
You'd think these morons would have learned by now that they don't tolerate our shiat in Ecuador, or most of South America for that matter.  They want us to play by the rules and our corporations are so used to compliant Libertarian whores they don't even wonder if people don't want them there.
2013-02-10 08:37:39 AM
2 votes:
Sadly, I'm sure some in the government and the corporations would be more than happy to do that. Instead they'll probably get a forced relocation to slums.
2013-02-10 02:17:16 PM
1 votes:

Quantum Apostrophe: Mentalpatient87: Quantum Apostrophe: Um, we'll be mining asteroids (with 3D printers, no less!) within montns, nay, hours. What's the obsession with digging in this rock?
/Oh yeah, reality

Are we testing the waters to see if it's safe to threadshiat the Geek tab again? You're so predictable.

Not a lot of faith in your fantasies, eh? Face it, in ten years we'll all still be here, using mass manufactured items right here on this planet. We'll be spinning metal in turbines and burning chemicals to fly, not using warp drives. We'll grow our food in the ground with fertilizers, not 3D printing food. We'll mine gold from mines with shovels and poor people, just like now. Space will still be an empty hostile vacuum with nothing in it.

Every single story about mining, fracking and science just confirms that there is no other way to do things. There is no glorious future of space mining and 3D printed plenty.

But you'll keep hoping and wishing. I'm not the only predictable one here.

Ten years will go by in a flash. You'll lose some hair, gain some weight, get some wrinkles, buy a house, start a family, and not a single one of your fantasies will come even remotely true.

Yet you'll go to the hospital and use the latest technologies and drugs to live as long as possible.



Um, I hate to break it to you but 3D printing is already happening, we're 12 years away from having no need for fossil fuels produced underground, and they just found bacteria that can process gold, and we have filtration equipment that could be utilized to pull separate gold suspended in the sea, where there is estimated to be more gold than anywhere on land combined.
If we could somehow get the coal, natural gas and oil companies to spend 545 Billion dollars they spent in 2011, on renewables, we'd only need 3 years of investment to be completely free of coal, natural gas and oil forever (saving resource costs of 143 Billion dollars a year, and cutting end user and business costs for energy by 70%)
3D Metal Printing procedures
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6Px6RSL9Ac">http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=i6Px6RSL9Ac
3D Tool Production
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8aghzpO_UZE">http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=8aghzpO_UZE
3D Plastic Production
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_vloWVgf0o">http://www.youtube.com/w atch?v=8_vloWVgf0o

Gold in the ocean
http://oceanservice.noaa.gov/facts/gold.html">http://oceanservice.no aa.gov/facts/gold.html

So Quantum Apostrophe, I think it's time to stop ranting.

Also, I think it's time to start rethinking how and where we get our resources from, as the ground isn't the only game in town anymore.
2013-02-10 02:12:18 PM
1 votes:

Lorelle: topcon: Yeah, great.  Yet you've been living in and enjoying the benefits of having lived in the United States your entire life.

But then you like to talk about how horrible it is.

WTF?!? Where did I mention anything about "how horrible it is?"

Dude, please share with the rest of us whatever it is you're smoking.

Now that I think about it, occasionally I have "enjoyed" the "benefits" of being discriminated against for not being white.


Did you not mention how "Europeans messed up what is now the U.S.?"

And if that's really your picture in your profile, I'd REALLY like to know how many times you've been discriminated against, because you look white, if not maybe Italian or something.  Yes, I saw the part where you said you were 1/4 native.  I'm sure you've been oppressed by the man your entire life over that.
2013-02-10 02:02:43 PM
1 votes:

topcon: Yeah, great.  Yet you've been living in and enjoying the benefits of having lived in the United States your entire life.

But then you like to talk about how horrible it is.


WTF?!? Where did I mention anything about "how horrible it is?"

Dude, please share with the rest of us whatever it is you're smoking.

Now that I think about it, occasionally I have "enjoyed" the "benefits" of being discriminated against for not being white.
2013-02-10 01:54:31 PM
1 votes:
The Chinese have a long and storied history of dealing with small, indigenous tribes by wiping them the hell out. The only reason more tribes in South America haven't ended up this way is because up to this point, the South Americans have been dealing with the US and Europe, who are extremely touchy-feely about dealing with native tribes (at the societal level; if it was up to the businesses they would have been given smallpox blankets a loooong time ago). When these tribes put themselves between the Chinese government/businesses and their money, it will be fast, effective, and terminal for the tribesmen.
2013-02-10 01:48:50 PM
1 votes:
topcon:Get real.

I can relate to what that tribe's going through, because I'm 1/4 San Carlos Apache.
2013-02-10 01:29:23 PM
1 votes:
topcon

Look at what the Chinese are doing in Africa. They're the new slavemasters. They'll do the same thing wherever they're allowed to go.

Yeah, like the earlier set of exploiters, but without the `yellow man's burden' of promoting some sort of Mission civilisatrice

/here's to the locals indulging, frequently, in their cultural practice of the tzantza
/get ahead, my friends
2013-02-10 01:16:45 PM
1 votes:

topcon: Look at what the Chinese are doing in Africa.  They're the new slavemasters.  They'll do the same thing wherever they're allowed to go.


And yet African countries are happy to have them, because the Chinese don't care if they have a corrupt dictator overseeing a country full of women popping out future AIDS orphans - to them, it's strictly business.  Money from the US, Canada, or European countries comes with all kinds of strings attached about ending corruption, being more transparent, establishing democracy, teaching safe sex (or in the case of the US, teaching abstinence), etc.
2013-02-10 01:15:11 PM
1 votes:

Mentalpatient87: Quantum Apostrophe: Um, we'll be mining asteroids (with 3D printers, no less!) within montns, nay, hours. What's the obsession with digging in this rock?
/Oh yeah, reality

Are we testing the waters to see if it's safe to threadshiat the Geek tab again? You're so predictable.


Not a lot of faith in your fantasies, eh? Face it, in ten years we'll all still be here, using mass manufactured items right here on this planet. We'll be spinning metal in turbines and burning chemicals to fly, not using warp drives. We'll grow our food in the ground with fertilizers, not 3D printing food. We'll mine gold from mines with shovels and poor people, just like now. Space will still be an empty hostile vacuum with nothing in it.

Every single story about mining, fracking and science just confirms that there is no other way to do things. There is no glorious future of space mining and 3D printed plenty.

But you'll keep hoping and wishing. I'm not the only predictable one here.

Ten years will go by in a flash. You'll lose some hair, gain some weight, get some wrinkles, buy a house, start a family, and not a single one of your fantasies will come even remotely true.

Yet you'll go to the hospital and use the latest technologies and drugs to live as long as possible.
2013-02-10 01:09:11 PM
1 votes:
Ecmo,

Another newsletter subscriber here too please.
2013-02-10 01:06:48 PM
1 votes:
What's wrong with the world today is for far too many people, money for them is more important than life for anybody else.
2013-02-10 01:02:53 PM
1 votes:
That article made me cry.

Ecuador's government is going to fark up that beautiful land just like the Europeans farked up what is now the U.S.
2013-02-10 01:01:46 PM
1 votes:
I've been to that area of Ecuador and met some of the locals. What made me marvel at the sheer lack of farks given was the oil pipelines they were building. They'd cut straight through the lowland forest for miles and if the pipe hit a small mountain it would just go up the side of the mountain without deviating. If the pipeline went through a village, the villagers had best hope that it didn't leak or burst and blow hot crude all over the village, there were stories of kids killed that way.

If anything, gold mining is worse.

/goes to RTFA
2013-02-10 12:55:40 PM
1 votes:
Look at what the Chinese are doing in Africa.  They're the new slavemasters.  They'll do the same thing wherever they're allowed to go.

www.examiner.com
2013-02-10 12:52:35 PM
1 votes:

ecmoRandomNumbers: This crap has been happening all over South America for too many years. The last time I flew through Lima, I literally thought we were going to have a stopover in Tokyo. I asked the azafata at the Aerolineas Argentinas desk, "This IS the flight to Buenos Aires, correct? Really?" Get on any flight to Peru and half the people on the plane will be speaking Japanese. They own the country. Holy shiat, they even elected a guy named Fujimori, ruled for like a DECADE when I was in South America. He was like Margaret Thatcher.

Almost everybody I knew in Chile in the 90s is now part of the Chilean Indigenous Movement. They want to restore lands to the displaced, especially the Mapuches in Southern Chile. It kinda started when the music group Illapu was allowed back into the country after being exiled by Pinochet. Really interesting history. I don't think there's a book. Maybe I can find a publisher. Anyways... The Indigenous Movement really took off in the 90s, and Chileans became very European about recycling, dams, and how they WRECK ecosystems, etc. It's all very annoying for a person trying to get a job. But holy crap... MY friends are the leading generation of a movement of fairness. It's all very inspiring.

One of my best friends grew up in a really bad part of Santiago in the 80s. Just imagine the lifestyle. But as teenagers, I loved him because he was like a New-Yorker. He was polite, but sharp. We were in a cab once in Osorno, Chile, and he tells the cab driver, "Look, I'm going to talk to you like a Santiaguino. I know this craphole and I don't want to 'see the sights,' so let's just skip this shiat and get us to where I told you we need to go."

He and his whole generation (my generation) is part of the hippy indigenous rights movement in South America. There are a lot of them, and they believe in social justice, especially the ones from my generation who grew up under a dictatorship. (Do yourself a favor and buy some iTunes stuff from Illapu and Los Prisioneros. ...


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2013-02-10 12:52:17 PM
1 votes:

naughtyrev: Sadly, I'm sure some in the government and the corporations would be more than happy to do that. Instead they'll probably get a forced relocation to slums.


See also, that tribe that's being chased out of their homes so Brazil can have a shiny new dam.
2013-02-10 11:20:26 AM
1 votes:
The Sioux would like a word with you
 
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