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(USA Today)   Arizona colleges begin heavy pursuit of out-of-state students. Mostly because it's hard to find anyone under the age of 65 who lives in Arizona   (usatoday.com) divider line 78
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2013-02-10 07:49:46 AM
Begin? They were doing this in 1996.
 
2013-02-10 08:31:24 AM
Do you have to live in Arizona to go there?
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-10 08:33:35 AM
In Massachusetts "tuition" is fairly low because it goes into the state budget and is sent back to schools in the discretion of the legislature. "Fees" make up the bulk of student expenses because they are retained in the university* system.

* Massachusetts renamed state colleges to universities because graduates felt stigmatized by having degrees from a mere college.
 
2013-02-10 08:41:27 AM

ZAZ: In Massachusetts "tuition" is fairly low because it goes into the state budget and is sent back to schools in the discretion of the legislature. "Fees" make up the bulk of student expenses because they are retained in the university* system.

* Massachusetts renamed state colleges to universities because graduates felt stigmatized by having degrees from a mere college.


As opposed to being stigmatized by the fact that they lived in Massachusetts.
 
2013-02-10 08:42:12 AM

MemeSlave: As opposed to being stigmatized by the fact that they lived in Massachusetts.


Well played, Sir.
 
2013-02-10 08:42:28 AM
Less than 15% of AZ is 65+. But lol, cause Arizona MUST be largely over 65 cause conservatives whine whine.
 
2013-02-10 08:44:36 AM

ZAZ: * Massachusetts renamed state colleges to universities because graduates felt stigmatized by having degrees from a mere college.


Eh, my college did the same. I still would never claim that I attended "university", although I do admit that it was a fairly reputable college.
 
2013-02-10 08:47:01 AM
For example, there is no nationally standardized definition of the term in the United States although the term has traditionally been used to designate research institutions and was once reserved for research doctorate-granting institutions.[58] Some states, such as Massachusetts, will only grant a school "university status" if it grants at least two doctoral degrees.[59]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University


Yes, Massachusetts is known for it's poor higher education system.

/facepalm
 
2013-02-10 08:53:32 AM
I grew up in California and graduated from the University of Arizona. Californians who went to the U of A were calling it "UC Tucson" when I was enrolled.
 
2013-02-10 08:56:01 AM
I don't suppose this could have anything to do with the fact that most students don't want to go to school in a state where they might not be white enough to not be stopped and inspected by the cops. When you put up a sign that says "brown people beware" on the border of your state you have to expect that brown people won't come.
 
2013-02-10 09:15:47 AM

NewportBarGuy: Begin? They were doing this in 1996.


Long before that even. That year round sun is pretty attractive.

/ Course, it's not as nice as Germany
 
2013-02-10 09:22:47 AM

MachineHead: Yes, Massachusetts is known for it's poor higher education system.

/facepalm


Did you go to the School for Useles's Apostrophe's in Massachusett's?
 
2013-02-10 09:23:49 AM
That's because higher ed is a big business now. U of A needs more costumers, I mean students. With the shiat schools they got in that state they'll have a hard time finding future debt slaves, I mean high school students, within their own state.
 
2013-02-10 09:28:41 AM
If you are ever having trouble understanding why a University does what it does; the answer is almost certain 'for money'.

Why do universities want out of state students - for money.

I've personally seen students who live 'in-state' be offered seats into very competitive programs; but on the condition that they pay 'out-of-state' tuition.  Why?  Because of money.
 
2013-02-10 09:40:29 AM
State universities only seem like big businesses because of declining state revenue. You want more robust public institutions? Then stop this anti-tax mindset and fund them properly!!
 
2013-02-10 09:46:55 AM

coco ebert: State universities only seem like big businesses because of declining state revenue. You want more robust public institutions? Then stop this anti-tax mindset and fund them properly!!


I agree in principle, but damn if I'm gonna raise my taxes while also paying on my student loans so others can get for free what I'm still paying for.
 
2013-02-10 09:57:45 AM
You want more students to attend? Lower the price! Hey colleges, you do not to replace those computers every year or remodel the cafeteria just to add a Starbucks (local community college did this), or money for tacky decorative statues. Most students couldn't give a shiat. Just give a clean classroom and basic dorms and buildings. Oh wait, then you couldn't justify raising tuition and salaries every year...
 
2013-02-10 09:58:22 AM
I'm snacking on Soylent Green right now and so I'm getting a kick out of . . . whoa.  This stuff is made in Scottsdale?
 
2013-02-10 09:59:09 AM

arbitterm: When you put up a sign that says "brown people beware" on the border of your state you have to expect that brown people won't come.


Is that all it takes, cause I can make that sign in my garage & post them myself...
 
2013-02-10 09:59:59 AM

Fark_Guy_Rob: I've personally seen students who live 'in-state' be offered seats into very competitive programs; but on the condition that they pay 'out-of-state' tuition. Why? Because of money.


When I first entered college, I had the option to take 'Honors". Prestigious, right? Wrong.
Do you know what "Honors" meant? You paid extra.
You were allowed to take special Honors classes, which cost extra. You were allowed to live in the special Honors dorms, which cost extra.
How about farking no?
 
2013-02-10 10:04:01 AM

Fark_Guy_Rob: If you are ever having trouble understanding why _____________ does what it does; the answer is almost certain 'for money'.


FTFY.
 
2013-02-10 10:31:22 AM

ZAZ: * Massachusetts renamed state colleges to universities because graduates felt stigmatized by having degrees from a mere college.


Where I went to school, a college was a sub-unit of a university. For example, you had the Department of Mechanical Engineering in the College of Engineering at the University of Wherever.
And you actually got your degree from the college.
 
2013-02-10 10:31:37 AM

MachineHead: Yes, Massachusetts is known for it's poor higher education system.


Boston's not a big college town.
 
2013-02-10 10:32:57 AM
Given the weapons grade derp we have been seeing out of Arizona, I have to ask:  Are the state colleges allowed to teach that the earth is 4.5 billion years old and that species evolve?
 
2013-02-10 10:36:25 AM
Don't worry. Corinthian Colleges will scoop up all the business.
 
2013-02-10 10:39:13 AM
When I was at ASU, 1983/4, 80% of the out of state students were from Illinois.  NAU has offices in Alaska, and have had that for decades (oil money and native american grants).

Subby doesn't know anything about Arizona.  We keep all the retirees locked up on the west side of town, and only then are they here during the winter.
 
2013-02-10 11:19:46 AM
MBZ321: You want more students to attend? Lower the price! Hey colleges, you do not to replace those computers every year or remodel the cafeteria just to add a Starbucks (local community college did this), or money for tacky decorative statues. Most students couldn't give a shiat. Just give a clean classroom and basic dorms and buildings. Oh wait, then you couldn't justify raising tuition and salaries every year...

You're a book burning Nazi that thinks the earth is flat because you questioned how the money is spent instead of just blindly saying give them more money.

AmIdoingitrite?
 
2013-02-10 11:22:37 AM

pciszek: Given the weapons grade derp we have been seeing out of Arizona, I have to ask:  Are the state colleges allowed to teach that the earth is 4.5 billion years old and that species evolve?


Yes, because Arizona really hasn't gone down that road yet. We haven't gone the way of Texas quite yet. There might be some pockets where they have, but it's not state mandated.

/Actually helped write a textbook on AZ history as a college senior on an internship a few years ago
//And it was done by the state historical society
/No derp was happening there, I promise
 
2013-02-10 11:23:11 AM
Lots of people move to Arizona from California, but only when they have two felonies on their record.
 
2013-02-10 11:34:02 AM

Krieghund: ZAZ: * Massachusetts renamed state colleges to universities because graduates felt stigmatized by having degrees from a mere college.

Where I went to school, a college was a sub-unit of a university. For example, you had the Department of Mechanical Engineering in the College of Engineering at the University of Wherever.
And you actually got your degree from the college.


That's the way it was for me too.  A college only offers one type of degree (like BA only for a liberal arts college) and a University is a collection of colleges (though they're sometimes called schools)
 
2013-02-10 11:38:06 AM
He lets them know "there are big concerts. There are buses. We have Walmart and Home Depot."


Walmart AND Home Deport. In your face Manhattan.
 
2013-02-10 11:43:40 AM

pciszek: Given the weapons grade derp we have been seeing out of Arizona, I have to ask: Are the state colleges allowed to teach that the earth is 4.5 billion years old and that species evolve?


Shouldn't you have learned that already by the time you get to college?
 
2013-02-10 11:49:29 AM

ZAZ: * Massachusetts renamed state colleges to universities because graduates felt stigmatized by having degrees from a mere college.


I don't get this. There are a lot of excellent colleges out there that aren't universities.
 
2013-02-10 11:59:50 AM

Oldiron_79: MBZ321: You want more students to attend? Lower the price! Hey colleges, you do not to replace those computers every year or remodel the cafeteria just to add a Starbucks (local community college did this), or money for tacky decorative statues. Most students couldn't give a shiat. Just give a clean classroom and basic dorms and buildings. Oh wait, then you couldn't justify raising tuition and salaries every year...

You're a book burning Nazi that thinks the earth is flat because you questioned how the money is spent instead of just blindly saying give them more money.

AmIdoingitrite?


I figured most students these days were on student loans or the GI Bill, so colleges would probably see that as a money-grab from Uncle Sam and keep raising tuition.  Or is there a cap for federal assistance?

/also have to account for inflation, dollar value, etc
 
2013-02-10 12:13:51 PM

Pentaxian: ZAZ: * Massachusetts renamed state colleges to universities because graduates felt stigmatized by having degrees from a mere college.

I don't get this. There are a lot of excellent colleges out there that aren't universities.


Not only that (assuming we're talking about undergrad degrees), a college would almost be better, because "college" usually is code for "doesn't offer graduate degrees."  That means an undergrad student who came from a college most likely learned from actual professors, while an undergrad from a university would (in most cases) imply that the student mostly learned from overworked graduate student instructors.

I suppose if you're getting a graduate or professional degree a university would look better, but otherwise I agree with you.  A Harvard would still be an awesome school whether they call it a "college" or "university," and West Bumfark Community College wouldn't be better if they renamed it West Bumfark Community University.

/Also, MIT is an "institute," from its name, and that doesn't seem to lower its appeal.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2013-02-10 12:21:21 PM
Boston Globe article on renaming state colleges to state universities
Fark thread on story

The state schools affected would not be allowed to call themselves "universities" if they were private (see Wikipedia link upthread and reference within).
 
2013-02-10 12:41:56 PM
Hasn't the university of phoenix been spamming doing this for years?
 
2013-02-10 12:54:18 PM

AirForbes1: I grew up in California and graduated from the University of Arizona. Californians who went to the U of A were calling it "UC Tucson" when I was enrolled.


Sounds about right.

\Go, Wildcats!
 
2013-02-10 12:56:27 PM
Anyone who tries to explain this using words other than "money" is fooling himself.
 
2013-02-10 01:03:19 PM
Arizona should promote ExploitedCollegeGirls dot com; it's based near Arizona State U and offers financial aid.
 
2013-02-10 01:08:58 PM
I just don't see the advantage for out-of-state students to go to Arizona state schools. Do students really have that much extra money to blow on out-of-state tuition? For the most part it's not like one state school is really more prestigious than another.
 
2013-02-10 01:19:49 PM

DrewCurtisJr: pciszek: Given the weapons grade derp we have been seeing out of Arizona, I have to ask: Are the state colleges allowed to teach that the earth is 4.5 billion years old and that species evolve?

Shouldn't you have learned that already by the time you get to college?


Should?  Yes.  Required?  No.  I never took Geology in high school, and Biology, while strongly encouraged, was not a requirement.  You could take Chemistry and Physics, avoiding the age of the Earth and evolution, and still look ambitiously college-bound on your transcript.  And that was at a fairly decent suburban school with a healthy tax base--most American schools are weaker in the sciences than the one I went to.
 
2013-02-10 01:21:00 PM

Somaticasual: Hasn't the university of phoenix been spamming doing this for years?


Does the for-profit University of Phoenix franchise have any connection to Arizona other than the name?
 
2013-02-10 01:27:48 PM

pciszek: Somaticasual: Hasn't the university of phoenix been spamming doing this for years?

Does the for-profit University of Phoenix franchise have any connection to Arizona other than the name?


Yes, it is located here.  There is also University of Phoenix Stadium, where the Arizona Cardinals lose.  I was hoping that the stadium would have taken the first sponsorship opportunity extended to it for naming rights.  Then we would have The Pink Taco Stadium.
 
2013-02-10 02:13:09 PM

desertgeek: pciszek: Given the weapons grade derp we have been seeing out of Arizona, I have to ask:  Are the state colleges allowed to teach that the earth is 4.5 billion years old and that species evolve?

Yes, because Arizona really hasn't gone down that road yet. We haven't gone the way of Texas quite yet. There might be some pockets where they have, but it's not state mandated.

/Actually helped write a textbook on AZ history as a college senior on an internship a few years ago
//And it was done by the state historical society
/No derp was happening there, I promise


As someone that has worked with ASU graduates, I have to concur.

/Then again, ASU has a bit of a reputation, so I guess I could have worked with someone that was the exception of the rule
 
2013-02-10 02:54:01 PM

AirForbes1: I grew up in California and graduated from the University of Arizona. Californians who went to the U of A were calling it "UC Tucson" when I was enrolled.


There are so many Chicago kids at Mizzou that it's given the local Cardinals fans fits.
 
2013-02-10 02:55:37 PM

pciszek: Given the weapons grade derp we have been seeing out of Arizona, I have to ask: Are the state colleges allowed to teach that the earth is 4.5 billion years old and that species evolve?


A few years ago, the Derp Brigade in Arizona was talking about completely defunding public Arizona universities and remodeling them on the University of Phoenix model.  It was bad enough that some faculty actually left the state.  Fortunately, the Republican behind that effort was recalled.
 
2013-02-10 02:57:41 PM

Franco: That's because higher ed is a big business now. U of A needs more costumers, I mean students. With the shiat schools they got in that state they'll have a hard time finding future debt slaves, I mean high school students, within their own state.


Also, the drop-out rate in Arizona is farking high high high. Those who do manage to gradeate with a decent high school education want to get the hell out and go to a serious university.
 
2013-02-10 03:01:55 PM

ZAZ: In Massachusetts "tuition" is fairly low because it goes into the state budget and is sent back to schools in the discretion of the legislature. "Fees" make up the bulk of student expenses because they are retained in the university* system.

* Massachusetts renamed state colleges to universities because graduates felt stigmatized by having degrees from a mere college.


In FL the community colleges started offering 4 year degrees in some programs.  Then they changed the names from community colleges to state colleges.  If you see a resume' from Florida with State College on it, it is really from a community college.
 
2013-02-10 03:08:39 PM

MBZ321: You want more students to attend? Lower the price! Hey colleges, you do not to replace those computers every year or remodel the cafeteria just to add a Starbucks (local community college did this), or money for tacky decorative statues. Most students couldn't give a shiat. Just give a clean classroom and basic dorms and buildings. Oh wait, then you couldn't justify raising tuition and salaries every year...


Cut down on the number of administrators.  Never happen, since the way an administrator gets more pay is to create more administrative positions they can supervise, but colleges and universities have way too many administrators, and pay them way too much.

According to one study the ideal faculty to administrator ratio is 3:1.  Actual ratio is 0.56:1 as of 2008.
 
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