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(Bleacher Report)   The Leafs can't win the Stanley Cup or even the playoffs but they may have just started the next NHL arms race   (bleacherreport.com) divider line 70
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2013-02-10 09:11:02 AM
All four lines had points, two of the six goals from the defence (including Phaneuf's first of the season) and all the article wants to talk about is the fighting.  To be fair Montreal was taking the night off in nearly every catagory, but The Leafs came out and had a nearly complete game from everyone last night. Bozak's face off numbers were off, and he's still the third star kinda night...
 
2013-02-10 09:58:12 AM
Arms race?  Or did they just shine a light on how small and soft the Canadiens are?
 
2013-02-10 10:05:08 AM

sno man: All four lines had points, two of the six goals from the defence (including Phaneuf's first of the season) and all the article wants to talk about is the fighting.  To be fair Montreal was taking the night off in nearly every catagory, but The Leafs came out and had a nearly complete game from everyone last night. Bozak's face off numbers were off, and he's still the third star kinda night...


Well, it's easy for all four of your lines to have points when the other team rolls over and lets you have the puck. Aside from about 10 minutes in the 2nd period, where the Leafs decided to make it challenging by turning the puck over every 20 seconds, Montreal had nothing going for them.

As far as Colton Orr deciding to wind up for a half-court knee-first charging, not sure what the point of that was.
 
2013-02-10 10:10:02 AM

Special J: Arms race?  Or did they just shine a light on how small and soft the Canadiens are?

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Soff
 
2013-02-10 10:14:26 AM
Most enjoyable hockey game I watched in a long time, not as one side as it looked either Reimer just played great in the second when the Habs were applying all the pressure.
Now that Burke is gone the Leafs can finally put a 'truculent' team on the ice
 
2013-02-10 10:20:59 AM

Special J: Arms race?  Or did they just shine a light on how small and soft the Canadiens are?


Leafs had a game like that against Boston last Saturday and got schooled.  The radio chatter for the first half of the week was how small and soft the Leafs were and now they've won three-in-a-row .  Did the Leafs make a bunch of trades I missed this week?
 
2013-02-10 10:26:06 AM
No, but they've dressed all the gorillas, which fits in with Carlyle's style.  This time it worked, but they've tried this before and ended up lowering their already dismal PK numbers.
 
2013-02-10 10:27:13 AM
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2013-02-10 10:35:03 AM
In other news, Marc Crawford is offended that somebody else in the NHL has stolen his trademark coaching style

www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com

/What, nobody seriously injured by Leafs? Never mind
 
2013-02-10 10:47:01 AM

CodeMonkey4Life: Most enjoyable hockey game I watched in a long time, not as one side as it looked either Reimer just played great in the second when the Habs were applying all the pressure.
Now that Burke is gone the Leafs can finally put a 'truculent' team on the ice


Now that Burke is gone... How many trades have the Leafs made? None?

The arms race was started by the Boston Goons I mean Bruins. Habs and Leafs are the two softest teams in the division.
 
2013-02-10 11:04:42 AM
The Bay Street Boobies.


/Go Sabres
 
2013-02-10 11:05:19 AM
Montreal's new owners, the Molsons, will take the necessary steps to match the goon squads from Boston and Toronto. They did so in the 60's and 70's when they owned the team with players like  Ferguson, Harris, Bouchard and Robinson. I am not a Therrien fan but rest assured that there won't be a repeat of Carlyle's brand of hockey in Montreal.
 
2013-02-10 11:07:53 AM

Bullseyed: CodeMonkey4Life: Most enjoyable hockey game I watched in a long time, not as one side as it looked either Reimer just played great in the second when the Habs were applying all the pressure.
Now that Burke is gone the Leafs can finally put a 'truculent' team on the ice

Now that Burke is gone... How many trades have the Leafs made? None?

The arms race was started by the Boston Goons I mean Bruins. Habs and Leafs are the two softest teams in the division.


Yeah well, the Bruins have a recent Stanley Cup to show for it. Time to adapt.

PS The Bruins will still win.
 
2013-02-10 11:17:14 AM
PK:  77.5%  If Carlyle can't figure out how to raise that number, the Leafs can book their 10th place finish again.
 
2013-02-10 11:28:13 AM
How is winning the Stanley Cup different from winning the playoffs?
 
2013-02-10 11:33:54 AM

Les_Nordiques: Montreal's new owners, the Molsons, will take the necessary steps to match the goon squads from Boston and Toronto. They did so in the 60's and 70's when they owned the team with players like  Ferguson, Harris, Bouchard and Robinson. I am not a Therrien fan but rest assured that there won't be a repeat of Carlyle's brand of hockey in Montreal.

goon squad? By beating the Flyers with skill (and Robinson badass-ness) they saved hockey from becoming a goon team league. They had tough guys but they definitely weren't goons, not compared to the teams of the day.
 
2013-02-10 11:36:07 AM

Special J: PK:  77.5%  If Carlyle can't figure out how to raise that number, the Leafs can book their 10th place finish again.


Hey 21st is way better than last year's 30th.  The 24th PP that can't score is improved too.

/Baby Steps.

//how about the team 4th in faceoffs?  5th place in the east?  Reimer 8th (!) in save percentage?
 
2013-02-10 11:37:34 AM

sno man: Special J: Arms race?  Or did they just shine a light on how small and soft the Canadiens are?

Leafs had a game like that against Boston last Saturday and got schooled.  The radio chatter for the first half of the week was how small and soft the Leafs were and now they've won three-in-a-row .  Did the Leafs make a bunch of trades I missed this week?



No. Fraser or whoever didn't leak a gallon of blood all over himself for once, and Colton Orr proved his usual machoness  by running Plekanec and sucker punching Bourque.  I guess that is considered a "win" by Toronto when it comes to toughness.
 
2013-02-10 11:46:12 AM
Yonge Street Bullies?
 
2013-02-10 11:49:56 AM

S.A.S.Q.U.A.T.C.H.: No. Fraser or whoever didn't leak a gallon of blood all over himself for once, and Colton Orr proved his usual machoness by running Plekanec and sucker punching Bourque. I guess that is considered a "win" by Toronto when it comes to toughness.


I'm not sure that's entirely sure that's fair (didn't Plekanec pull a 10 year old's level stunt tossing Orr's stick into the Montreal end just before that?), but it does kinda go to my point about the silliness of the Arms Race premise of the article.
 
2013-02-10 12:00:58 PM
When I read the headline I thought subby was talking about the arms the Leafs were chomping on last night
 
2013-02-10 12:08:48 PM
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2013-02-10 12:13:26 PM
No. Fraser or whoever didn't leak a gallon of blood all over himself for once, and Colton Orr proved his usual machoness  by running Plekanec and sucker punching Bourque.  I guess that is considered a "win" by Toronto when it comes to toughness.

Sucker punch?
Protect yourself at all times.
Don't grab someone from behind and not expect to get punched, especially from Orr.
 
2013-02-10 12:18:51 PM

wichitaleaf: No. Fraser or whoever didn't leak a gallon of blood all over himself for once, and Colton Orr proved his usual machoness  by running Plekanec and sucker punching Bourque.  I guess that is considered a "win" by Toronto when it comes to toughness.

Sucker punch?
Protect yourself at all times.
Don't grab someone from behind and not expect to get punched, especially from Orr.


Don't let facts get in the way of whiny Hab fans. Is there a bigger collection of babies in the league? I don't think so.

Destroyed. Mr Bean Pacoiretty is a big whiny pussssy
 
2013-02-10 12:34:19 PM
Yay! Back to the days of goon squadding on the 4th line! Lets see how many elite players on the most marketable teams they take out before Shannahan notices? I love it when the best players on my favorite teams are concussed because they played a team that sucked so bad the only way they could compete is by concussing the other team's best players!

/maybe they should start contraction so goons never make it out of the AHL
 
2013-02-10 12:57:09 PM

sno man: Special J: Arms race?  Or did they just shine a light on how small and soft the Canadiens are?

Leafs had a game like that against Boston last Saturday and got schooled.  The radio chatter for the first half of the week was how small and soft the Leafs were and now they've won three-in-a-row .  Did the Leafs make a bunch of trades I missed this week?


Schooled?
It was 1-0.
Granted they lost but 1-0 is not schooled.
 
2013-02-10 01:02:16 PM
Frazer McLaren laughing in Josh Gorges face was one of the highlights of my weekend.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fpxV127-emw

Article sucks BTW.
 
2013-02-10 01:03:11 PM

germ78: Yay! Back to the days of goon squadding on the 4th line! Lets see how many elite players on the most marketable teams they take out before Shannahan notices? I love it when the best players on my favorite teams are concussed because they played a team that sucked so bad the only way they could compete is by concussing the other team's best players!

/maybe they should start contraction so goons never make it out of the AHL


Montreal would know all about concussing players, since they did the same to Reimer in the Bell Centre last year.
 
2013-02-10 01:18:48 PM

wichitaleaf: sno man: Special J: Arms race?  Or did they just shine a light on how small and soft the Canadiens are?

Leafs had a game like that against Boston last Saturday and got schooled.  The radio chatter for the first half of the week was how small and soft the Leafs were and now they've won three-in-a-row .  Did the Leafs make a bunch of trades I missed this week?

Schooled?
It was 1-0.
Granted they lost but 1-0 is not schooled.


I'm a bleed blue, member of Leaf Nation kinda Leaf fan and watched that game, they got schooled.
 
2013-02-10 01:21:12 PM
Gallagher pushed Phaneuf into Reimer .. and got his ass handed to him
Pacioretti was choking Grabby and got bit
Plekanec got his for pulling a Crosby biatch like move to Torontos toughest player
Gionta was getting hit all night and leafs got revenge for him concussing Reimer
Gorges got dummied for being a mouth off
Bourque thought he'd be the 3rd man in a fight and got owned

This beatdown was years in the making. It was a release.
 
2013-02-10 01:23:48 PM
This is bullshiat. Grabby faces a hearing at 4 pm today for his bite. I've seen a lot of head shots that didn't even get a hearing.
 
2013-02-10 01:23:54 PM

Malcolm_Sex: When I read the headline I thought subby was talking about the arms the Leafs were chomping on last night


Grabo's getting a meeting for that.
 
2013-02-10 01:24:19 PM
good. hockey lost its balls, thanks to Bettman. The league is better without vaginas like Crosby, Burrows, Ruutu, Tootoo, etc being able to run around like little pukes witout someone coming along and caving their skulls in.
 
2013-02-10 01:33:34 PM

sno man: Malcolm_Sex: When I read the headline I thought subby was talking about the arms the Leafs were chomping on last night

Grabo's getting a meeting for that.


He'll probably get one game for it, maybe two.  God the post game interviews with the Habs players were hilarious.  To hear them talk you'd think Toronto sent their fourth line over the boards to start the 3rd and left them there the whole period.  It was an ugly game that got chippy then dirty.  Suck it up and move on.
 
2013-02-10 01:37:16 PM

Flappyhead: sno man: Malcolm_Sex: When I read the headline I thought subby was talking about the arms the Leafs were chomping on last night

Grabo's getting a meeting for that.

He'll probably get one game for it, maybe two.  God the post game interviews with the Habs players were hilarious.  To hear them talk you'd think Toronto sent their fourth line over the boards to start the 3rd and left them there the whole period.  It was an ugly game that got chippy then dirty.  Suck it up and move on.


it's grabby so it's more likely a warning or a fine.
 
2013-02-10 01:41:51 PM

ontariolightning: This is bullshiat. Grabby faces a hearing at 4 pm today for his bite. I've seen a lot of head shots that didn't even get a hearing.


It's not Disciplinary, it's Player Safety, so I don't think there will be anything supplemental wise...  It doesn't look like Pacioretty is getting a similar call about the headlock across the mouth and nose though.
 
2013-02-10 01:46:13 PM

sno man: ontariolightning: This is bullshiat. Grabby faces a hearing at 4 pm today for his bite. I've seen a lot of head shots that didn't even get a hearing.

It's not Disciplinary, it's Player Safety, so I don't think there will be anything supplemental wise...  It doesn't look like Pacioretty is getting a similar call about the headlock across the mouth and nose though.


malkin didnt get a player safety hearing for his tomahawk slash to the helmet. I call BS. Shanahan is in someones pocket
 
2013-02-10 02:05:29 PM
Lets hope the Blue Jays win the arms race
 
2013-02-10 02:43:33 PM
respect for mclaren, he couldve destroyed gorges if he wanted to.
respect for gorges sticking up for his teammate and to continue biatching at em while heading to the lockerroom.

gotta love leafs/canadiens.  they play 6 times right?  im kinda confused with scheduling.
 
2013-02-10 02:47:26 PM
Was anyone really surprised that a Toronto - Montreal game involved fights, big hits, general unpleasantness, and overt hatred? It is Toronto-Montreal after all. Toronto made it clear early: Touch Reimer, feel pain. It's hard to blame them. Montreal knocked him out for the season last year, best to start off with the message that they won't be given that chance again. So that on top of an otherwise normal Toronto-Montreal game makes for the game last night.

Did Orr cross the line with his bull charge? Yeah. Even with the stick throwing, Orr doesn't need to make that kind of rush, he just needs to make a good hit. It's not like he won't get the chance to make before the game ends. But the Bourque one-punch had me laughing. "You really thought that was a good idea Rene? How about now?"

The "bite" is so questionable. Big scrum after the whistle, and Pacioretty spends the whole time trying to wrech Grabbo's head off. Then he sticks his arm into the guys mouth while the guy is yelling? The whole meeting today should be:

"Did you mean to bite him?"
"No. I was yelling, the arm went in, I may have grazed it with my teeth while trying to yell at the other guy. Sorry"
"K, good meeting"
 
2013-02-10 02:58:54 PM
Ah, the Leafs won a game and the parade route is being planned. All is normal in the world once more.
 
2013-02-10 03:04:30 PM

dragonchild: How is winning the Stanley Cup different from winning the playoffs?


If the Leafs ever make it to the Stanley cup finals again, and lose... blood will flow in the streets.


Of vancouver
 
2013-02-10 03:11:59 PM
Did they bring their frkkin' toys with them?
 
2013-02-10 03:24:27 PM

sno man: Malcolm_Sex: When I read the headline I thought subby was talking about the arms the Leafs were chomping on last night

Grabo's getting a meeting for that.


To me, if someone has their hand over my mouth and nose and my hands are unable to move them; I'm going to bite that hand. That's just pure instinct.

If anything, the Habs player (was itPacioretty? I can't remember now) shouldn't have had his bare hands there. That said, Grabovski is probably getting 1 game off for that.
 
2013-02-10 03:27:53 PM

BudTheSpud: germ78: Yay! Back to the days of goon squadding on the 4th line! Lets see how many elite players on the most marketable teams they take out before Shannahan notices? I love it when the best players on my favorite teams are concussed because they played a team that sucked so bad the only way they could compete is by concussing the other team's best players!

/maybe they should start contraction so goons never make it out of the AHL

Montreal would know all about concussing players, since they did the same to Reimer in the Bell Centre last year.


Exactly, sorry Montreal, but running goalies has ramifications, loved how they stood up when they looked to try that again.
 
2013-02-10 03:39:28 PM

gorgon38: BudTheSpud: germ78: Yay! Back to the days of goon squadding on the 4th line! Lets see how many elite players on the most marketable teams they take out before Shannahan notices? I love it when the best players on my favorite teams are concussed because they played a team that sucked so bad the only way they could compete is by concussing the other team's best players!

/maybe they should start contraction so goons never make it out of the AHL

Montreal would know all about concussing players, since they did the same to Reimer in the Bell Centre last year.

Exactly, sorry Montreal, but running goalies has ramifications, loved how they stood up when they looked to try that again.


I was unaware of the recent past history between these teams. My ire was directed more at how teams can send barely able to play 4th liners to take out the opposing team's best player and scuttle their playoff chances. See also: Torres' illegal hit on Hossa in last year's playoffs.

/it didn't help that the future Hamilton hockey franchise's normally average goalie decided to stand on his head in that series either
 
2013-02-10 03:51:02 PM

germ78: I was unaware of the recent past history between these teams. My ire was directed more at how teams can send barely able to play 4th liners to take out the opposing team's best player and scuttle their playoff chances. See also: Torres' illegal hit on Hossa in last year's playoffs.


The issue with your example is that Torres actually can play (every season he's played 70+ games, he's scored at least 14 goals and 30 points), he just loses his farking mind once in a while and gets suspended for it.

If anything, incidents where a player is hurt due to contact should be reviewable right away (unless it's very obvious what happened). If the NHL did that, Torres would've been ejected from that playoff game and we wouldn't have had those 2 phantom head shot match penalties that got overturned after the game (which the penalized team lost due to the call in both cases). It might slow the game down, but it might do more to prevent injuries from happening since players will know that they can't get away with it at all.
 
2013-02-10 04:46:16 PM
I'll be at tonight's Bruins/Sabres game.
Look for the guy in first row center ice with a sign giving a shout out to Fark.
 
2013-02-10 04:49:07 PM

gas giant: I'll be at tonight's Bruins/Sabres game.
Look for the guy in first row center ice with a sign giving a shout out to Fark.


dont they have some hatred going too?
 
2013-02-10 05:09:55 PM

gas giant: I'll be at tonight's Bruins/Sabres game.
Look for the guy in first row center ice with a sign giving a shout out to Fark.


Cool!  Alas, no local coverage here for that game. :^(
 
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