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HiFiGuy		2013-02-10 12:49:37 PM

snocone: Sending these local yokels after Dorner is really STUPID in the most perfect sense.

Any "real" police force would issue locate, do not approach orders.

SAT analogy time: "LAPD:Emma Hernandez and Margie Carranza::George Zimmerman:Trayvon Martin"

/Tunnel Vision,anyone?

BraveNewCheneyWorld		2013-02-10 12:52:56 PM

Mrtraveler01: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Mrtraveler01: Don't expect him to come back. He got awfully quiet when I pointed this out to him earlier.

Ah, the lies you tell yourself. You were supposed to realize that between your quote and mine, he doesn't vote for people who he thinks won't win as many "non vote wasters" do. You just couldn't make the 1 step connection. Considering the fact that you insisted that I do your gis for very basic info, I can tell that you're not especially interested in the truth though.

So supporting and voting for Huntsman = Being a fan for Obama?

That's one hell of a connection you made there!

Keep trying..

"I think you've done a hell of a job with what you have been dealt and how you have managed it. " -not an Obama fan

No Time To Explain		2013-02-10 12:54:27 PM

This doesn't show that the cops are tense and stressed out from one of their own, it just expands the known knowledge that many on the force are grossly incompetent, abuse their power over the public they're meant to serve and perfect (ironically serving their own interests and putting the public in harm's way).

If the LAPD wants to fix all this PR damage, they'll find Dorner without killing him (good luck on that one), bring him to rightful justice, get rid of any and all on the force found out to be abusing their badge (i don't over in the states, but i know that will never happen, ESPECIALLY considering it's the LAPD)

/maybe I'm one of the many living in a fantasy world for thinking cops should be held accountable for any and all wrongdoings
//police brutality is the very rare case I'm willing to go eye for an eye
///I must be blind

Mrtraveler01		2013-02-10 12:55:01 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Mrtraveler01: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Mrtraveler01: Don't expect him to come back. He got awfully quiet when I pointed this out to him earlier.

Ah, the lies you tell yourself. You were supposed to realize that between your quote and mine, he doesn't vote for people who he thinks won't win as many "non vote wasters" do. You just couldn't make the 1 step connection. Considering the fact that you insisted that I do your gis for very basic info, I can tell that you're not especially interested in the truth though.

So supporting and voting for Huntsman = Being a fan for Obama?

That's one hell of a connection you made there!

Keep trying..

"I think you've done a hell of a job with what you have been dealt and how you have managed it. " -not an Obama fan

So why didn't he vote for Obama then if he was a fan?

BraveNewCheneyWorld		2013-02-10 01:00:42 PM

Mrtraveler01: So why didn't he vote for Obama then if he was a fan?

You're kidding, right? Do you have the memory of a goldfish?

BraveNewCheneyWorld: he doesn't vote for people who he thinks won't win as many "non vote wasters" do.

JohnNS		2013-02-10 01:01:23 PM

Not to defend the LAPD, but in today's fat society they may have very well looked like a large black man...

/not proud of that one

Mrtraveler01		2013-02-10 01:02:10 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Mrtraveler01: So why didn't he vote for Obama then if he was a fan?

You're kidding, right? Do you have the memory of a goldfish?

BraveNewCheneyWorld: he doesn't vote for people who he thinks won't win as many "non vote wasters" do.

So he didn't vote for Obama and voted for Huntsman in the GOP primaries because he didn't think Obama would win?

AgentKGB		2013-02-10 01:10:15 PM

Bungles: I think one of the biggest difference with the USA and the rest of the Western world isn't the religiosity or the guns or political circus or the lack of social safety nets, but the nature of the police.

No-one in the UK or France or Australia or Germany or Canada or New Zealand would think twice about going up to a policeman and asking for directions or just a chat. The police in the US just seem to be wired and scary and angry.

It seems to have happened over a number of years... I know this is a bad example, and I'm sorry, but if you watch the first few seasons of COPS the police were normal sized men and women and they only used the violence that was necessary. If you watch COPS now it's a bunch of roided up freaks with arms and legs the size of hams tackling and spearing people ¼ - ½ their size.

orclover		2013-02-10 01:10:49 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: ausfahrk: Real Women Drink Akvavit: You can fight it, of course, but if the cop shows up in traffic court, you'll probably lose, citizen.

Heck, the cop would probably just pistol-whip you to death in the courtroom for interrupting his hookers and blow time, while his buddies fired random shots to hold back the crowd, sounds like...

Pretty much. Just another day in LA the USA. LAPD, scumbags all.

Americans in general have no idea how corrrupt their law enforcement has gotten. If they are not being bothered directly then they assume everything is fine and under control. They even have a mental filter to remove the dirty images that may happen in front of them day to day. I would put APD up there as just as corrupt as LAPD after witnessing them in action for over 30 years (got real bad after a lot LAPD came to austin and got management positions). We simply have less cops than LAPD so less incidents. Frankly APD scares the fark out of me after all I have witnessed. I honestly wouldnt mind California as a place to live if not for all the corruption of LAPD.

I just want a small place in a small town with a very very small police force that knows everybody. Never happen.

StokeyBob		2013-02-10 01:12:31 PM

Rich Cream: Ed Finnerty: Wow. Looks like a few cops need to spend more time at the shooting range.

Just look at that center-mass grouping on the tailgate. Center-mass of the truck but that's what they shot at. Right?

I was sort of looking at the grouping on the truck...

then I remember mention of all of the other things that were hit in the area.

StokeyBob		2013-02-10 01:17:40 PM

Police seeking Dorner opened fire in a second case of mistaken identity

LordJiro		2013-02-10 01:21:22 PM

orclover: ExperianScaresCthulhu: ausfahrk: Real Women Drink Akvavit: You can fight it, of course, but if the cop shows up in traffic court, you'll probably lose, citizen.

Heck, the cop would probably just pistol-whip you to death in the courtroom for interrupting his hookers and blow time, while his buddies fired random shots to hold back the crowd, sounds like...

Pretty much. Just another day in LA the USA. LAPD, scumbags all.

Americans in general have no idea how corrrupt their law enforcement has gotten. If they are not being bothered directly then they assume everything is fine and under control. They even have a mental filter to remove the dirty images that may happen in front of them day to day. I would put APD up there as just as corrupt as LAPD after witnessing them in action for over 30 years (got real bad after a lot LAPD came to austin and got management positions). We simply have less cops than LAPD so less incidents. Frankly APD scares the fark out of me after all I have witnessed. I honestly wouldnt mind California as a place to live if not for all the corruption of LAPD.

I just want a small place in a small town with a very very small police force that knows everybody. Never happen.

The mere fact that a cop can get away with almost anything with nothing more than "paid administrative leave" ('Being dragged out of the spotlight until people stop looking') has corrupted police. Power corrupts, and corruption without consequences just breeds MORE corruption.

vygramul		2013-02-10 01:22:33 PM

Mrtraveler01: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Mrtraveler01: So why didn't he vote for Obama then if he was a fan?

You're kidding, right? Do you have the memory of a goldfish?

BraveNewCheneyWorld: he doesn't vote for people who he thinks won't win as many "non vote wasters" do.

So he didn't vote for Obama and voted for Huntsman in the GOP primaries because he didn't think Obama would win?

Doesn't CA have voter registration and closed primaries?

BraveNewCheneyWorld		2013-02-10 01:26:04 PM

StokeyBob: Police seeking Dorner opened fire in a second case of mistaken identity

They don't even have plausible deniability anymore. They're openly trying to murder him.

LordJiro		2013-02-10 01:27:57 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: StokeyBob: Police seeking Dorner opened fire in a second case of mistaken identity

They don't even have plausible deniability anymore. They're openly trying to murder him.

Yep. At this point, Dorner could walk into the station, unarmed, to turn himself in, and he'd still get gunned down. And the officer(s) who did it would get a slap on the wrist at best.

obeymatt		2013-02-10 01:28:12 PM

R.I.P. Grey Nissan Titan

99.998er		2013-02-10 01:28:32 PM

ha-ha-guy: Lost Thought 00: By accepting the truck, they will be waiving their right to sue the department for any further damages, with the courts saying that the truck is sufficient compensation

The women have a lawyer. Unless this lawyer is like Quan and purposefully sandbagging cases to protect LAPD, no way he'll let them accept the truck

Cosmo Kramer would accept an exterior detail on existing truck

DS1970		2013-02-10 01:32:26 PM

If this isn't an argument for citizens arming themselves, I don't know what is.

Yes, my firearms are protecting me not even primarily from criminals, but from the "serve and protect" SS who constantly abuse their badges and are just plain - sloppy. Like this incident.

I mean, WTF?! The truck "looked like" the one they were chasing?! "Looked like"?! So two innocent civilians are now shooting victims - to the very badge sworn to protect them. If cops could shoot worth sh*t, the women would be dead.

Notice this side story of the manhunt has *poof* - disappeared from media reporting. In was an unthing.

neongoats		2013-02-10 01:32:57 PM

At this point they are just blowing away any pickup truck, it seems. You know, even ones calmly driving towards them by white old guys.

This is inspiring me to pull out the ice-t cd's and fire up some classic Dre.

Rich Cream		2013-02-10 01:33:00 PM

StokeyBob: I was sort of looking at the grouping on the truck...

The driver's side is shot up because he is supposed to be alone. Which means they couldn't see the second person which means they couldn't see the first person which means they were firing at the truck.

ShawnDoc		2013-02-10 01:33:56 PM

Just in this one thread, I've seen the women identified as white, Hispanic, and Asian. Which is it?

Girion47		2013-02-10 01:35:49 PM

I'm curious if the women fired back, how would they be viewed? Probably as cop killers, and be charged with something. Even if they were returning fire against a hostile force that initially assaulted them.

BraveNewCheneyWorld		2013-02-10 01:36:25 PM

DS1970: Yes, my firearms are protecting me not even primarily from criminals, but from the "serve and protect" SS who constantly abuse their badges and are just plain - sloppy. Like this incident.

If cops shoot you thinking you're someone else, and you do manage to shoot them in self defense, you're getting executed anyway, which is nice.

pyrotek85		2013-02-10 01:36:31 PM

ShawnDoc: Just in this one thread, I've seen the women identified as white, Hispanic, and Asian. Which is it?

I'm guessing Hispanic due to the names, but I'm pretty sure I've seen all three descriptions in news reports myself (probably corrected at this point).

Neeps		2013-02-10 01:37:23 PM

If Dorner were only killing cops, and not innocent family members too, I'd be wishing him well.

fark the police.

I got a "non-life-threatening" injury when they broke down the wrong door in my apartment complex a few years back.
Yeah, it didn't kill me. It's just given me pain that will never go away and rendered my chosen career impossible.

Anyone who still thinks cops are the good guys is either incredibly naive of completely insane.

Rich Cream		2013-02-10 01:38:14 PM

DS1970: Notice this side story of the manhunt has *poof* - disappeared from media reporting. In was an unthing.

It was merely an accidental miss-identification by people who only have the best of intentions.

pyrotek85		2013-02-10 01:38:43 PM

Girion47: I'm curious if the women fired back, how would they be viewed? Probably as cop killers, and be charged with something. Even if they were returning fire against a hostile force that initially assaulted them.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: DS1970: Yes, my firearms are protecting me not even primarily from criminals, but from the "serve and protect" SS who constantly abuse their badges and are just plain - sloppy. Like this incident.

If cops shoot you thinking you're someone else, and you do manage to shoot them in self defense, you're getting executed anyway, which is nice.

Yeah you're pretty much screwed if you fire back. Same deal if they do a swat raid on the wrong house.

Rootus		2013-02-10 01:38:58 PM

The lawsuit needs to be big. Very big. Ultimately it's the taxpayer that is liable, so the cost needs to be high enough that even when it's split amongst all the citizens of LA it still stings a bit personally. Make people get off their lazy ass and demand accountability from their public servants. Or make police get malpractice insurance, LOL.

Rich Cream		2013-02-10 01:38:59 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: If cops shoot you thinking you're someone else, and you do manage to shoot them in self defense, you're getting executed anyway, which is nice.

Don't want to be the martyr for the cause?

Girion47		2013-02-10 01:41:12 PM

pyrotek85: Girion47: I'm curious if the women fired back, how would they be viewed? Probably as cop killers, and be charged with something. Even if they were returning fire against a hostile force that initially assaulted them.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: DS1970: Yes, my firearms are protecting me not even primarily from criminals, but from the "serve and protect" SS who constantly abuse their badges and are just plain - sloppy. Like this incident.

If cops shoot you thinking you're someone else, and you do manage to shoot them in self defense, you're getting executed anyway, which is nice.

Yeah you're pretty much screwed if you fire back. Same deal if they do a swat raid on the wrong house.

which is why no-knock warrants shouldn't be illegal, it puts everyone involved in a dangerously volatile situation.

Girion47		2013-02-10 01:41:52 PM

Girion47: pyrotek85: Girion47: I'm curious if the women fired back, how would they be viewed? Probably as cop killers, and be charged with something. Even if they were returning fire against a hostile force that initially assaulted them.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: DS1970: Yes, my firearms are protecting me not even primarily from criminals, but from the "serve and protect" SS who constantly abuse their badges and are just plain - sloppy. Like this incident.

If cops shoot you thinking you're someone else, and you do manage to shoot them in self defense, you're getting executed anyway, which is nice.

Yeah you're pretty much screwed if you fire back. Same deal if they do a swat raid on the wrong house.

which is why no-knock warrants should~~n't~~ be illegal, it puts everyone involved in a dangerously volatile situation.

FTFM

ongbok		2013-02-10 01:42:18 PM

Real Women Drink Akvavit: Not in California. If you are doing the speed limit and it's raining, you can be ticketed for driving that fast in "unsafe conditions". You can also be ticketed for "creating unsafe driving conditions" if you're going below the speed limit. You can fight it, of course, but if the cop shows up in traffic court, you'll probably lose, citizen. Whether or not you get stopped if you are not doing anything wrong is sometimes merely a question of "how bored is the cop?".

I believe that is true all over.

Here if you get into an accident, no matter who is at fault, all of the drivers involved get a ticket for the accident, and one for driving to fast for conditions, no matter what the conditions are. The saddest example of this was when one of my friends was rear ended. He was stopped in the left turn lane waiting to make a left turn. I guess this lady was trying to get into the turn lane and somehow hit him on the passenger side of his car in the rear. When the police came he gave them both a ticket for the accident, and gave them both a ticket for driving too fast for conditions. Yes, he gave my friend a ticket for driving too fast for conditions despite the fact that he wasn't moving, never mind the fact that it was midday and dry.

But back to these cops. Shouldn't there be video of this shooting? Don't these cars have dashboard cams that start up when the cars are put into park or the door opens? Or did they disable those in the cars of the cops that were put on assassin duty?

DogBoyTheCat		2013-02-10 01:42:42 PM

I'm curious about something....
From what I gather(which may not be correct), the cops blocked off the vehicle, with no lights flashing, in early dawn hours(which might make it difficult to see who's blocking your vehicle) and opened fire.
What might have happened if the persons in question thought they were being carjacked/robbed by persons unknown and shot back?

pete1729		2013-02-10 01:43:50 PM

MBrady: pete1729: Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this situation precisely what is meant by 'a Second Amendment solution'?

You mean that the two women didn't shoot back and kill a few cops, because most gun owners go to the range several times a month and are probably better shots than most cops?

I don't know if I would have returned fire in that situation. You know you're outmanned and outgunned. If your enemy has ceased firing your odds might be better if you held. That's a really tough call. Almost impossible if you're ambushed. The people in the truck had little in the way of cover.

My post was referring to Dornings.

DogBoyTheCat		2013-02-10 01:44:09 PM

"DISTURB & OPPRESS"

neongoats		2013-02-10 01:44:42 PM

Neeps: If Dorner were only killing cops, and not innocent family members too, I'd be wishing him well.

fark the police.

I got a "non-life-threatening" injury when they broke down the wrong door in my apartment complex a few years back.
Yeah, it didn't kill me. It's just given me pain that will never go away and rendered my chosen career impossible.

Anyone who still thinks cops are the good guys is either incredibly naive of completely insane.

The "innocent family members" he has allegedly killed are cops. And was heavily reported that way initially, until they LAPD pr machine started referring to their other side professions and hiding their cop-ness.

vygramul		2013-02-10 01:44:53 PM

LordJiro: BraveNewCheneyWorld: StokeyBob: Police seeking Dorner opened fire in a second case of mistaken identity

They don't even have plausible deniability anymore. They're openly trying to murder him.

Yep. At this point, Dorner could walk into the station, unarmed, to turn himself in, and he'd still get gunned down. And the officer(s) who did it would get a slap on the wrist at best.

Followed by thousands of pats on the shoulder.

LordJiro		2013-02-10 01:46:45 PM

DS1970: If this isn't an argument for citizens arming themselves, I don't know what is.

Yes, my firearms are protecting me not even primarily from criminals, but from the "serve and protect" SS who constantly abuse their badges and are just plain - sloppy. Like this incident.

I mean, WTF?! The truck "looked like" the one they were chasing?! "Looked like"?! So two innocent civilians are now shooting victims - to the very badge sworn to protect them. If cops could shoot worth sh*t, the women would be dead.

Notice this side story of the manhunt has *poof* - disappeared from media reporting. In was an unthing.

Newsflash, sparky. The cops are, more likely than not, going to be better trained and better prepared than a random civilian, even if their actual armaments are comparable. Not to mention that, if you kill one cop in 'self-defense', you're going to be facing down the business end of a SWAT team before long.

The answer to this isn't to make the citizenry more heavily armed. It's to stop letting police be above the law.

99.998er		2013-02-10 01:47:18 PM

Joe Friday: Ah, sure, but just like every other foaming, rabid psycho in this city with a foolproof plan, you've forgotten you're facing the single finest fighting force ever assembled.

lucksi		2013-02-10 01:48:06 PM

Girion47: I'm curious if the women fired back, how would they be viewed?

They'd be viewed at a closed casket funeral

pyrotek85		2013-02-10 01:48:29 PM

Girion47: Girion47: pyrotek85: Girion47: I'm curious if the women fired back, how would they be viewed? Probably as cop killers, and be charged with something. Even if they were returning fire against a hostile force that initially assaulted them.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: DS1970: Yes, my firearms are protecting me not even primarily from criminals, but from the "serve and protect" SS who constantly abuse their badges and are just plain - sloppy. Like this incident.

If cops shoot you thinking you're someone else, and you do manage to shoot them in self defense, you're getting executed anyway, which is nice.

Yeah you're pretty much screwed if you fire back. Same deal if they do a swat raid on the wrong house.

which is why no-knock warrants shouldn't be illegal, it puts everyone involved in a dangerously volatile situation.

FTFM

I've never understood the benefit of them. Unless it's an actual hostage situation, why not just pick the guy up when he leaves his house to get the mail or something? I don't even know how they end up hitting the wrong house at all, don't they do surveillance beforehand and watch for any patterns or number of occupants? Do they just do it spur of the moment?

Dimensio		2013-02-10 01:52:04 PM

DS1970: If this isn't an argument for citizens arming themselves, I don't know what is.

In fact, the situation is a vindication of California's "may issue" concealed weapons permit system.

Were California not to deny the right to keep and bear arms in public to most citizens, a law-abiding armed citizen witnessing the police opening fire on a vehicle without warning may, justifiably, mistake the police officer for a mass shooter and, in an attempt to stop the shooting, use deadly force against the police officer. As such, California's current system may have actually saved police officer lives.

ongbok		2013-02-10 01:52:35 PM

StokeyBob: Police seeking Dorner opened fire in a second case of mistaken identity

FTA
"The circumstances of the incident known to the responding officers would have led a reasonable officer under normal circumstances - and these were far from normal circumstances - to believe that fellow officers were being shot at and that the vehicle traveling toward them posed a serious risk.

They used the "It's coming right at me" defense.

That statement was just sad.

namegoeshere		2013-02-10 01:53:18 PM

It's funny (in a not-funny-actually-pretty-sick sort of way) that the second incident occurred when officers freaked out at the cry of "shots fired" and shot the hell out of the random pickup that had to be passing because it might maybe be trying to kill them, when the only shots fired was the LAPD trying to kill two unarmed and not dangerous women who were not committing any sort of crime. And then they call it a justified shooting:

In a statement to The Times, the department said: "The circumstances of the incident known to the responding officers would have led a reasonable officer under normal circumstances - and these were far from normal circumstances - to believe that fellow officers were being shot at and that the vehicle traveling toward them posed a serious risk.
"In the split seconds available to them," the statement continued, "action was appropriate to intervene and stop the actions of the driver of that vehicle."

It's like Yakety Sax should be playing continuously wherever LAPD officers are present.

orclover		2013-02-10 01:54:29 PM

neongoats: The "innocent family members" he has allegedly killed are cops. And was heavily reported that way initially, until they LAPD pr machine started referring to their other side professions and hiding their cop-ness.

Its kind of funny how that fact has been completely glossed over durring the evolution of this story. You have to be paying attention and check a few sources but you can find it if you dig around enough. Both the daughter and the fiance, both cops. This wasn't some teenage heartthrob and her quarterback boyfriend.

The propaganda machine has been running on overtime throughout ALL of this and it has been amazing to watch. I honestly cant tell the difference between the paid opinion swayers posting here and the usual trolling.

Girion47		2013-02-10 01:54:31 PM

pyrotek85: Girion47: Girion47: pyrotek85: Girion47: I'm curious if the women fired back, how would they be viewed? Probably as cop killers, and be charged with something. Even if they were returning fire against a hostile force that initially assaulted them.

BraveNewCheneyWorld: DS1970: Yes, my firearms are protecting me not even primarily from criminals, but from the "serve and protect" SS who constantly abuse their badges and are just plain - sloppy. Like this incident.

If cops shoot you thinking you're someone else, and you do manage to shoot them in self defense, you're getting executed anyway, which is nice.

Yeah you're pretty much screwed if you fire back. Same deal if they do a swat raid on the wrong house.

which is why no-knock warrants shouldn't be illegal, it puts everyone involved in a dangerously volatile situation.

FTFM

I've never understood the benefit of them. Unless it's an actual hostage situation, why not just pick the guy up when he leaves his house to get the mail or something? I don't even know how they end up hitting the wrong house at all, don't they do surveillance beforehand and watch for any patterns or number of occupants? Do they just do it spur of the moment?

I don't know, but this article really bothers me.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/25/jose-guerena-arizona-_n_867 02 0.html

iq_in_binary		2013-02-10 01:54:43 PM

BraveNewCheneyWorld: Mrtraveler01: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Christopher Dorner, a pro gun control, piers morgan/obama fan

Is there a citation for this or are you just pulling stuff out of your ass?

It's in Christopher Dorner's "manifesto". Maybe you should do a shred of research before acting like a jack ass.

He also said he didn't vote because Huntsman didn't win the Republican Primary.

So you're being either deliberately obtuse or you're incapable of finding the unedited manifesto, either way it doesn't do much to suggest you're capable of logical thought.

tekmo		2013-02-10 01:55:22 PM

I'm only surprised the LAPD didn't invent some crime to charge those women with.

Surely, "operating a vehicle while police are edgy," or "refusal to die during lethal use of force" is a crime by now.

FTP

iq_in_binary		2013-02-10 01:55:36 PM

beta_plus: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Mrtraveler01: BraveNewCheneyWorld: Christopher Dorner, a pro gun control, piers morgan/obama fan

Is there a citation for this or are you just pulling stuff out of your ass?

It's in Christopher Dorner's "manifesto". Maybe you should do a shred of research before acting like a jack ass.

OH SNAP!!!!!

Full Text of his manifesto.

/liberals need to stop tearing this country apart with their ideology of hate

Oh look, he's a Republican, his personal favorite was Huntsman.

Girion47		2013-02-10 01:57:10 PM

tekmo: I'm only surprised the LAPD didn't invent some crime to charge those women with.

Surely, "operating a vehicle while police are edgy," or "refusal to die during lethal use of force" is a crime by now.

FTP

Not being a police officer is a crime they can charge you with at any time.

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