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2013-02-10 12:16:49 AM  
They got surveillance footage of him here in town on monday tossing some unneeded loaded magazines in the trash.  An employee found them and the boss took them to a police substation across the street.  On camera, the boss was all "my employee missed him by 30 minutes.  Thank god he didn't run into him, who knows what would have happened!"

I'm guessing Chris would have said "yo" and continued his biz.  He hadn't killed anyone yet, and throwing ammo into the trash is AFAIK not a crime.

The media hysteria is out of control.  I fear the cops more than Dorner at this point.
 
2013-02-10 01:45:15 AM  

Snotnose: I fear the cops more than Dorner at this point.


and for good reason since they attacked without warning truck delivering news papers, driven by two women an opened fire on it...with no warning. http://ktla.com/2013/02/09/delivering-newspapers-then-caught-in-a-hai l -of-lapd-bullets/#axzz2KTSh2cbT

"To protect and Serve" my ass.
 
2013-02-10 02:34:12 AM  
You think the writer is really named "Randy Economy?" What a bizarre pen name.
 
2013-02-10 03:03:37 AM  
These are the people you want to entrust with an assault weapons ban?
 
2013-02-10 07:12:12 AM  

cman: These are the people you want to entrust with an assault weapons ban?


Which people are you referring to? The police, angry people, criminals, or did you just mean black people?
 
2013-02-10 07:15:12 AM  
Meanwhile the police shooting up random civilians have gotten away scott free.
 
2013-02-10 07:16:24 AM  
The text moving around every time the photo changed almost made me seasick...
 
2013-02-10 07:16:34 AM  

Snotnose: I'm guessing Chris would have said "yo" and continued his biz. He hadn't killed anyone yet, and throwing ammo into the trash is AFAIK not a crime.


Lol wut?
 
2013-02-10 07:19:45 AM  
This is one of those stories I'm conflict on who I support

/the ex-cop who went a little ballistic after despising the corruption witnessed in his line of work
//or the retarded chips who are corrupted and do such moronic things and get away with it

///i feel sad that America has went full retard this fast in my lifetime
 
2013-02-10 07:21:01 AM  
Meanwhile the police shooting up random civilians have gotten away scott free.

Funny how the news isn't quick to mention that.... or that a precipitating event in this guy's breakdown was when he witnessed other officers brutalizing an unarmed suspect, and when he tried to report it he was basically fired for not being a team player.
 
2013-02-10 07:21:09 AM  

generallyso: Meanwhile the police shooting up random civilians have gotten away scott free.


Hey, those guys were judged by a jury of their peers.
Sadly, those peers are also police.
 
2013-02-10 07:21:45 AM  

Snotnose: They got surveillance footage of him here in town on monday tossing some unneeded loaded magazines in the trash.  An employee found them and the boss took them to a police substation across the street.  On camera, the boss was all "my employee missed him by 30 minutes.  Thank god he didn't run into him, who knows what would have happened!"

I'm guessing Chris would have said "yo" and continued his biz.  He hadn't killed anyone yet, and throwing ammo into the trash is AFAIK not a crime.

The media hysteria is out of control.  I fear the cops more than Dorner at this point.


You do realize that he's a suspect in three murders, one of them a cop, right?
 
2013-02-10 07:22:04 AM  
Can someone more in the know fill me in? This story, or the lapd's version (plus accusations made in the "manifesto"), doesn't add up. Is there more here? Conspiracy? Has this guy actually killed anyone yet?
Or is he just a killer duckhead who happens to work for the lapd (who nobody trusts enough to have people not think an enemy of theirs is probably innocent)
 
2013-02-10 07:24:39 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Snotnose: They got surveillance footage of him here in town on monday tossing some unneeded loaded magazines in the trash.  An employee found them and the boss took them to a police substation across the street.  On camera, the boss was all "my employee missed him by 30 minutes.  Thank god he didn't run into him, who knows what would have happened!"

I'm guessing Chris would have said "yo" and continued his biz.  He hadn't killed anyone yet, and throwing ammo into the trash is AFAIK not a crime.

The media hysteria is out of control.  I fear the cops more than Dorner at this point.

You do realize that he's a suspect in three murders, one of them a cop, right?


i.imgur.com
 
2013-02-10 07:24:56 AM  
Link

There has been some sort of gang war looking for an informant, and for second time someone has been shot at due to confusion. Luckily nobody has died.

Here are some comments from one of their discussion boards.

I believe that if you were not there to witness and experience the situations PERSONALLY, it is inappropriate to spend time speculating on whether it was a "Good Shoot" or a "Bad Shoot". Those that were there know what happened and after a through investigation, if there was wrongdoing, people will be held accountable in accordance with civil and criminal law.

No of course not. But no one is ever going to be 100% right.
So you've never made a mistake? You are 100% on shoot no shoot drills at the range and in real life? How many times have you felt your life was in imminent danger? Have you faced the fear of a serial killer trying to hunt you and gun you down?
I think all in all as law enforcement, and Southern California business organizations in particular, does pretty darn good. But as long as you have humans behind the trigger, we will never be perfect.

No one has said they did a good job. But they don't need to be crucified. People here (not necessarily you) have called the murders, assassins, etc etc. Talking about how Dorner should be treated like any other bad guy on the street like we would have to opportunity to give him commands or ever try to take him alive without him killing us first. That's all BS. Dorner himself says so. This isn't a normal law enforcement scenario, it's never happened before here... one of our former own, well trained and well armed hunting us and our families. The stress here is unimaginable.
 
2013-02-10 07:25:32 AM  
You can't fool me, that's Tyler Perry!
 
2013-02-10 07:25:50 AM  
optikeye: and for good reason since they attacked without warning truck delivering news papers, driven by two women an opened fire on it...with no warning

It's pretty telling that the cops just opened fire on the vehicle without warning.

U.S. Law enforcement wants this guy dead. No trial. No arrest.

I'd be incredibly surprised if Dorner is captured and arrested and faces trial.
 
2013-02-10 07:28:26 AM  
I've got a randy economy, if you know what I mean and I think you do
 
2013-02-10 07:28:49 AM  
LDM90
You can't fool me, that's Tyler Perry!


His eyes say angry comedian, not closeted homosexual.
 
2013-02-10 07:29:09 AM  
Gunning down an elderly Spanish lady in SoCal.? That's just what the cops call "Friday " in LA.

Were the cops who shot those innocent ladies arrested? Of course not. .. this is the LAPD and when they get tired sometimes they get cranky.

If we need to take away the guns from anyone right now it seems like we should take them away from the cops.
 
2013-02-10 07:29:57 AM  

No Time To Explain: This is one of those stories I'm conflict on who I support

/the ex-cop who went a little ballistic after despising the corruption witnessed in his line of work
//or the retarded chips who are corrupted and do such moronic things and get away with it

///i feel sad that America has went full retard this fast in my lifetime


I completely understand your plight.

Cops are idiots for the most part and way out of control, they are to far removed from the society they mean to protect.

However, Dorner killed innocent family members, and there is no justice in that.  He needs to be hunted and brought to justice.

The two are separate in my opinion, but when they clash more will die.

It's tragic all around.
 
2013-02-10 07:31:45 AM  
Another wackjob liberal going off the deep end.
 
2013-02-10 07:33:09 AM  
The LAPD says they are reopening the investigation regarding his termination. He was fired for complaining about the misconduct of other officers and nothing more, plain and simple retailation. He claims the murder victims were the participants or family members of those officers who got him fired.

If you ruin someone's life and you give them no reason to be a part of society, they tend to be pretty anti-social.
 
2013-02-10 07:38:01 AM  
tshauk
ops are idiots for the most part and way out of control, they are to far removed from the society they mean to protect.
However, Dorner killed innocent family members, and there is no justice in that. He needs to be hunted and brought to justice.
The two are separate in my opinion, but when they clash more will die.


They are all bad, derp. I am sure police do everything possible to bring him in alive.

With his knowledge and training of how things work, his determination and tools available, this guy is going to cause a lot of destruction before taking his own life. Be safe Brothers!

This. For some reason this story is sending shivers down my spine.. and I'm thousands of miles away on a keyboard. I could only imagine how it is for the officers in that area and the ones being targeted. I hope no more innocents are hurt in this rampage, but I doubt he's going down easily.

No way is this going to end without lead flying, he's way past the point of no return. I wonder what he's armed with and how much ammo. If he's in the wild like they think I would imagine he brought a rifle.
A helicopter with your best marksmen on board will hopefully finish the job.

I wouldn't doubt this guy has a ballistic vest. Maybe even plates.
Don't think a shotgun could do much.

A slug will penetrate his head just fine.
 
2013-02-10 07:38:29 AM  

tshauk: No Time To Explain: This is one of those stories I'm conflict on who I support

/the ex-cop who went a little ballistic after despising the corruption witnessed in his line of work
//or the retarded chips who are corrupted and do such moronic things and get away with it

///i feel sad that America has went full retard this fast in my lifetime

I completely understand your plight.

Cops are idiots for the most part and way out of control, they are to far removed from the society they mean to protect.

However, Dorner killed innocent family members, and there is no justice in that.  He needs to be hunted and brought to justice.

The two are separate in my opinion, but when they clash more will die.

It's tragic all around.


I've met a lot of cops over the years and haven't noticed a higher percentage of idiots in that population than any other, and in fact far less than what I find in some Fark threads.

Good on you though for working so hard for your fark counterculture merit badge.

This guy was scum the minute he put this plot together and killed innocent people. Even if he was kicked off the force inappropriately (and there is no evidence he was) he warrants no sympathy from anyone.
 
2013-02-10 07:39:05 AM  
So, what upcoming "an innocent man, who knows to much and is now being hunted by a corrupt system that must silence him at costs and needs to find the real killer to clear his name" movie is this a viral marketing campaign for?
 
2013-02-10 07:39:52 AM  

mexican bathtub cheese: The LAPD says they are reopening the investigation regarding his termination. He was fired for complaining about the misconduct of other officers and nothing more, plain and simple retailation. He claims the murder victims were the participants or family members of those officers who got him fired.

If you ruin someone's life and you give them no reason to be a part of society, they tend to be pretty anti-social.


nice handle
 
2013-02-10 07:41:11 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Snotnose: They got surveillance footage of him here in town on monday tossing some unneeded loaded magazines in the trash.  An employee found them and the boss took them to a police substation across the street.  On camera, the boss was all "my employee missed him by 30 minutes.  Thank god he didn't run into him, who knows what would have happened!"

I'm guessing Chris would have said "yo" and continued his biz.  He hadn't killed anyone yet, and throwing ammo into the trash is AFAIK not a crime.

The media hysteria is out of control.  I fear the cops more than Dorner at this point.

You do realize that he's a suspect in three murders, one of them a cop, right?


He's a suspect that the police are trying to execute. Until this goes to trial or height confesses - I'm skeptical about the accusations made about both the LAPD and Dorner.
 
2013-02-10 07:42:15 AM  
This guy is no different than the Sandy Hook shooter or the Colorado
Theatre shooter, he may have killed innocent people. I think LAPD made the right choice
in firing him after all he may be a murderer.
 
2013-02-10 07:42:44 AM  
Might as well get this in here where it belongs:

forums.radioreference.com
 
2013-02-10 07:43:49 AM  

jakomo002: optikeye: and for good reason since they attacked without warning truck delivering news papers, driven by two women an opened fire on it...with no warning

It's pretty telling that the cops just opened fire on the vehicle without warning.

U.S. Law enforcement wants this guy dead. No trial. No arrest.

I'd be incredibly surprised if Dorner is captured and arrested and faces trial.


Well, remember - they've opened fire on multiple vehicles.

While police were responding to the first truck attack, they encountered another suspicious vehicle and opened fire on that one.
 
2013-02-10 07:44:03 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: Snotnose: They got surveillance footage of him here in town on monday tossing some unneeded loaded magazines in the trash.  An employee found them and the boss took them to a police substation across the street.  On camera, the boss was all "my employee missed him by 30 minutes.  Thank god he didn't run into him, who knows what would have happened!"

I'm guessing Chris would have said "yo" and continued his biz.  He hadn't killed anyone yet, and throwing ammo into the trash is AFAIK not a crime.

The media hysteria is out of control.  I fear the cops more than Dorner at this point.

You do realize that he's a suspect in three murders, one of them a cop, right?


But all have connections to the LAPD and people he specifically had a grudge against. He's not on a rampage, per se. He's gone Rambo, literally. He's acting very rationally with a plan straight out of an action movie. I do not think he's a danger to the public, save the people related to the cops he's gunning for. Everyone else is okay. He's not after body count, just fuedin' with his former associates.

Also, I don't care how many crazy people are trying to kill you: if you're a cop you cannot just shoot randomly. When the crazy man names me as a target and I'm pretty sure I see him I can shoot randomly because I'm a civilian with no formal training and no oaths to uphold anything. I'll still go to jail, but I'm under no obligations to follow any specific rules of engagement. I can sleep well knowing I may have farked up, but I did the best I could. . . till Bubba gets horny.

Police have a higher standard. They are sworn to uphold the law and protect the public. And if they aren't sworn thus, I say we change their training and fire anyone who won't swear the new oath on the spot. The idea of cops shooting the wrong truck TWICE. Unacceptable. Clearly, regardless of how comic book this rogue cop gets in his villainy, the LAPD is seriously farked up and needs an enema.
 
2013-02-10 07:44:26 AM  
Relax, the cops got the guy... here's the picture of his gray Nissan pickup...
latimesblogs.latimes.com
 
2013-02-10 07:45:09 AM  
Enemabag Jones: I am sure police do everything possible to bring him in alive.

Based on what evidence, exactly? Because that truck wasn't the only one the cops shot up.


http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/07/local/la-me-la-fear-20130208/ 2

About 25 minutes after that shooting, Torrance police opened fire after spotting another truck similar to Dorner's at Flagler Lane and Beryl Street. No one was reported hurt.

"If I had a [Nissan] Titan, I would park it today," said Walter Howe, 60, at a Torrance Starbucks.



Betcha Mr. Howe has lived in L.A. long enough to make that informed decision.
 
2013-02-10 07:45:44 AM  

tshauk: No Time To Explain: This is one of those stories I'm conflict on who I support

/the ex-cop who went a little ballistic after despising the corruption witnessed in his line of work
//or the retarded chips who are corrupted and do such moronic things and get away with it

///i feel sad that America has went full retard this fast in my lifetime

I completely understand your plight.

Cops are idiots for the most part and way out of control, they are to far removed from the society they mean to protect.

However, Dorner killed innocent family members, and there is no justice in that.  He needs to be hunted and brought to justice.

The two are separate in my opinion, but when they clash more will die.

It's tragic all around.


He hasn't gone to trial nor has he confessed to killing anyone.

It's a bit presumptive to accuse and condemn him after he's only been named a suspect.
 
2013-02-10 07:46:28 AM  
bullwrinkle
This guy is no different than the Sandy Hook shooter or the Colorado
Theatre shooter, he may have killed innocent people. I think LAPD made the right choice
in firing him after all he may be a murderer.


OK, fine. Then are the police possibly guilty of attempted murder for opening fire on targets when they didn't know who was being shot at?
 
2013-02-10 07:47:00 AM  

bullwrinkle: This guy is no different than the Sandy Hook shooter or the Colorado
Theatre shooter, he may have killed innocent people. I think LAPD made the right choice
in firing him after all he may be a murderer.


Lolwut
 
2013-02-10 07:47:21 AM  

mexican bathtub cheese: The LAPD says they are reopening the investigation regarding his termination.


Somehow I don't think he's getting his job back. He killed three people.

Apparently if he had just shot them for no reason, he'd be a valued member of the force.
 
2013-02-10 07:47:35 AM  
Update:
Christopher Dorner Manhunt: LAPD Reopens Case That Led to Suspected Cop-Killer's Firing

ABC News
Feb. 9, 2013


Still though, there is something really funky about all this. It is almost like there is too much attention to details and the media is not only speculating themselves, but reporting speculation of others in a manner that fans the flames. I don't know what to think at this point.

If you haven't seen this..........

From: Christopher Jordan Dorner /7648
To: America
Subj: Last resort
Regarding CF# 07-004281

PDF | about 120k | 11 pages
(freepdfhosting.com)
 
2013-02-10 07:48:01 AM  

Triumph: You think the writer is really named "Randy Economy?" What a bizarre pen name.


And yet he's real... with a poorly formatted blog

I had a vision of Greenspan doing an Austin Powers impression.
 
2013-02-10 07:49:39 AM  

sanriosucks: Can someone more in the know fill me in? This story, or the lapd's version (plus accusations made in the "manifesto"), doesn't add up. Is there more here? Conspiracy? Has this guy actually killed anyone yet?
Or is he just a killer duckhead who happens to work for the lapd (who nobody trusts enough to have people not think an enemy of theirs is probably innocent)




Typical mass media proganda bullshiat.

He was a true boy scout... joinend police explorers as a kid, found $8k cash and turned it in to a church, joined the military where he went into intelligence work.. eventually was allowed to switch to non active reserves and complete his dream of joining the LAPD.

Then when he's an officer, he sees rampant racism and abuse of citizens.  The day that sparked this whole mess, he had handcuffed a mentally ill suspect, and a female cop walked over and started kicking the suspect in the face... while he was on the ground handcuffed.

So Mr GI Joe here reports her for excessive force... which goes to a review panel, they say Uh we dont prosecute cops, sorry, she didnt do it... but you're now fired for filing a "false report". and lying about this abuse that never happened.

Because he was fired from the LAPD for "creating a false report", it completely boned his military security clearance and destroyed any chance he has of working anything other than a security guard.

Having everything stripped from him, and seeing rampant corruption going unchecked, as well as racism etc, he has become The Punisher, the Dark Knight, he who watches the watchmen.  He has vowed to cut the corruption out of the LAPD by force, using his tactical training and access to secure military intelligence systems.

He is the terror that flaps in the night.  He will kill every police officer he can to root this evil from the land.  Only by waging assymetrical warfare against the LAPD was he able to bring attention to a corrupted system, and his injustice he has had to endure because he chose to do the right thing.

He is the creak in the hallway.  He is the wind rustling at the back of your neck.  Because his life was torn from him and destroyed to protect criminal cops, forcing him into these actions, he will never get to have a family.  For forcing this fate upon him, none of the cops families shall be safe.  All they hold dear is at risk... for once, the hunters become the hunted.  The tyrants are afraid, for justice has come for them.

He is a good man pushed too far... and he is prepared to give his life, so that you may live yours in freedom and liberty.

He is an American Hero.
 
2013-02-10 07:49:44 AM  
 
2013-02-10 07:49:56 AM  

wildcardjack: Triumph: You think the writer is really named "Randy Economy?" What a bizarre pen name.

And yet he's real... with a poorly formatted blog

I had a vision of Greenspan doing an Austin Powers impression.


Only sailors raise the minimum wage, baby. Yeah!
 
2013-02-10 07:50:16 AM  

doglover: Bathia_Mapes: Snotnose: They got surveillance footage of him here in town on monday tossing some unneeded loaded magazines in the trash.  An employee found them and the boss took them to a police substation across the street.  On camera, the boss was all "my employee missed him by 30 minutes.  Thank god he didn't run into him, who knows what would have happened!"

I'm guessing Chris would have said "yo" and continued his biz.  He hadn't killed anyone yet, and throwing ammo into the trash is AFAIK not a crime.

The media hysteria is out of control.  I fear the cops more than Dorner at this point.

You do realize that he's a suspect in three murders, one of them a cop, right?

But all have connections to the LAPD and people he specifically had a grudge against. He's not on a rampage, per se. He's gone Rambo, literally. He's acting very rationally with a plan straight out of an action movie. I do not think he's a danger to the public, save the people related to the cops he's gunning for. Everyone else is okay. He's not after body count, just fuedin' with his former associates.

Also, I don't care how many crazy people are trying to kill you: if you're a cop you cannot just shoot randomly. When the crazy man names me as a target and I'm pretty sure I see him I can shoot randomly because I'm a civilian with no formal training and no oaths to uphold anything. I'll still go to jail, but I'm under no obligations to follow any specific rules of engagement. I can sleep well knowing I may have farked up, but I did the best I could. . . till Bubba gets horny.

Police have a higher standard. They are sworn to uphold the law and protect the public. And if they aren't sworn thus, I say we change their training and fire anyone who won't swear the new oath on the spot. The idea of cops shooting the wrong truck TWICE. Unacceptable. Clearly, regardless of how comic book this rogue cop gets in his villainy, the LAPD is seriously farked up and needs an enema.


Specifically what factual evidence are you using to condemn Dorner as a murderer? Given the source of the accusations and the execution team they've sent - I think it's pretty important to demand this goes to trial before we start calling anyone a murderer.
 
2013-02-10 07:50:18 AM  

jakomo002: optikeye: and for good reason since they attacked without warning truck delivering news papers, driven by two women an opened fire on it...with no warning

It's pretty telling that the cops just opened fire on the vehicle without warning.

U.S. Law enforcement wants this guy dead. No trial. No arrest.

I'd be incredibly surprised if Dorner is captured and arrested and faces trial.


How much you wanna bet that, if Dorner would have been in the blue truck which they riddled with bullets, they would have finished him off after checking who was inside.
 
2013-02-10 07:50:30 AM  
jakomo002,
Enemabag Jones: I am sure police do everything possible to bring him in alive.
Based on what evidence, exactly? Because that truck wasn't the only one the cops shot up.
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/07/local/la-me-la-fear-20130208/ 2
About 25 minutes after that shooting, Torrance police opened fire after spotting another truck similar to Dorner's at Flagler Lane and Beryl Street. No one was reported hurt.
"If I had a [Nissan] Titan, I would park it today," said Walter Howe, 60, at a Torrance Starbucks.
Betcha Mr. Howe has lived in L.A. long enough to make that informed decision.


Did you read my entire post? Cause you are easily confused or trolling.
 
2013-02-10 07:51:20 AM  

thrgd456: If we need to take away the guns from anyone right now it seems like we should take them away from the cops.


This.
 
2013-02-10 07:52:07 AM  

homelessdude: Update:
Christopher Dorner Manhunt: LAPD Reopens Case That Led to Suspected Cop-Killer's Firing
ABC News
Feb. 9, 2013

Still though, there is something really funky about all this. It is almost like there is too much attention to details and the media is not only speculating themselves, but reporting speculation of others in a manner that fans the flames. I don't know what to think at this point.

If you haven't seen this..........

From: Christopher Jordan Dorner /7648
To: America
Subj: Last resort
Regarding CF# 07-004281
PDF | about 120k | 11 pages
(freepdfhosting.com)


Lol

Agency reopens investigation to examine whether or not it made the right call.

That'll solve it, LAPD.
 
2013-02-10 07:53:48 AM  

Alonjar: sanriosucks: Can someone more in the know fill me in? This story, or the lapd's version (plus accusations made in the "manifesto"), doesn't add up. Is there more here? Conspiracy? Has this guy actually killed anyone yet?
Or is he just a killer duckhead who happens to work for the lapd (who nobody trusts enough to have people not think an enemy of theirs is probably innocent)



Typical mass media proganda bullshiat.

He was a true boy scout... joinend police explorers as a kid, found $8k cash and turned it in to a church, joined the military where he went into intelligence work.. eventually was allowed to switch to non active reserves and complete his dream of joining the LAPD.

Then when he's an officer, he sees rampant racism and abuse of citizens.  The day that sparked this whole mess, he had handcuffed a mentally ill suspect, and a female cop walked over and started kicking the suspect in the face... while he was on the ground handcuffed.

So Mr GI Joe here reports her for excessive force... which goes to a review panel, they say Uh we dont prosecute cops, sorry, she didnt do it... but you're now fired for filing a "false report". and lying about this abuse that never happened.

Because he was fired from the LAPD for "creating a false report", it completely boned his military security clearance and destroyed any chance he has of working anything other than a security guard.

Having everything stripped from him, and seeing rampant corruption going unchecked, as well as racism etc, he has become The Punisher, the Dark Knight, he who watches the watchmen.  He has vowed to cut the corruption out of the LAPD by force, using his tactical training and access to secure military intelligence systems.

He is the terror that flaps in the night.  He will kill every police officer he can to root this evil from the land.  Only by waging assymetrical warfare against the LAPD was he able to bring attention to a corrupted system, and his injustice he has had to endure because he chose to do the right thing.

He is the creak in the hallway.  He is the wind rustling at the back of your neck.  Because his life was torn from him and destroyed to protect criminal cops, forcing him into these actions, he will never get to have a family.  For forcing this fate upon him, none of the cops families shall be safe.  All they hold dear is at risk... for once, the hunters become the hunted.  The tyrants are afraid, for justice has come for them.

He is a good man pushed too far... and he is prepared to give his life, so that you may live yours in freedom and liberty.

He is an American Hero.


Well, if he did kill anyone, he's not a hero but part of the crime problem.
 
2013-02-10 07:58:02 AM  

Bontesla: tshauk: No Time To Explain: This is one of those stories I'm conflict on who I support

/the ex-cop who went a little ballistic after despising the corruption witnessed in his line of work
//or the retarded chips who are corrupted and do such moronic things and get away with it

///i feel sad that America has went full retard this fast in my lifetime

I completely understand your plight.

Cops are idiots for the most part and way out of control, they are to far removed from the society they mean to protect.

However, Dorner killed innocent family members, and there is no justice in that.  He needs to be hunted and brought to justice.

The two are separate in my opinion, but when they clash more will die.

It's tragic all around.

He hasn't gone to trial nor has he confessed to killing anyone.

It's a bit presumptive to accuse and condemn him after he's only been named a suspect.


Point taken, I have should have stated "if" he killed innocent family members.....
 
2013-02-10 07:58:27 AM  

Nina Haagen Dazs: Interesting.  http://leaksource.wordpress.com/2013/02/07/christopher-dorner-v-lapd- c ase-file/


He seems like a pretty stand up guy in 2007.
 
2013-02-10 07:58:48 AM  

Bontesla: Specifically what factual evidence are you using to condemn Dorner as a murderer?


I'm not the judicial system. I don't have the burden of legal proof. I can extrapolate based on circumstantial evidence using deductive reasoning.

Given he is fleeing arrest.
Given that he left a manifesto.
Given that people connected to people connected directly to names in the manifesto are dead.
Given that the police are acting like scared little children, just like any bullies do when they meet a bigger bully.

I feel it is with some degree of certainly close to 100 that I can assume he is in fact a murderer. So I do not pepper my language with superfluous qualifiers like a biatch. I'm going out on a limb. It's a very sturdy limb and I have no fear it's going to break. However, you've caught me extrapolating and bully for you. If the stars align and he hasn't actually killed anyone, I'll buy you a beer. Until then, I'm calling him a murderer because all signs point that way.
 
2013-02-10 07:58:59 AM  

Alonjar: sanriosucks: Can someone more in the know fill me in? This story, or the lapd's version (plus accusations made in the "manifesto"), doesn't add up. Is there more here? Conspiracy? Has this guy actually killed anyone yet?
Or is he just a killer duckhead who happens to work for the lapd (who nobody trusts enough to have people not think an enemy of theirs is probably innocent)



Typical mass media proganda bullshiat.

He was a true boy scout... joinend police explorers as a kid, found $8k cash and turned it in to a church, joined the military where he went into intelligence work.. eventually was allowed to switch to non active reserves and complete his dream of joining the LAPD.

Then when he's an officer, he sees rampant racism and abuse of citizens.  The day that sparked this whole mess, he had handcuffed a mentally ill suspect, and a female cop walked over and started kicking the suspect in the face... while he was on the ground handcuffed.

So Mr GI Joe here reports her for excessive force... which goes to a review panel, they say Uh we dont prosecute cops, sorry, she didnt do it... but you're now fired for filing a "false report". and lying about this abuse that never happened.

Because he was fired from the LAPD for "creating a false report", it completely boned his military security clearance and destroyed any chance he has of working anything other than a security guard.

Having everything stripped from him, and seeing rampant corruption going unchecked, as well as racism etc, he has become The Punisher, the Dark Knight, he who watches the watchmen.  He has vowed to cut the corruption out of the LAPD by force, using his tactical training and access to secure military intelligence systems.

He is the terror that flaps in the night.  He will kill every police officer he can to root this evil from the land.  Only by waging assymetrical warfare against the LAPD was he able to bring attention to a corrupted system, and his injustice he has had to endure because he chose to do the right thing.

He is the creak in the hallway.  He is the wind rustling at the back of your neck.  Because his life was torn from him and destroyed to protect criminal cops, forcing him into these actions, he will never get to have a family.  For forcing this fate upon him, none of the cops families shall be safe.  All they hold dear is at risk... for once, the hunters become the hunted.  The tyrants are afraid, for justice has come for them.

He is a good man pushed too far... and he is prepared to give his life, so that you may live yours in freedom and liberty.

He is an American Hero.


You forgot to open with ' In a world....'
 
2013-02-10 07:59:13 AM  
Call me jaded, but all those pictures do is make him look more like a criminal.  There's no difference in body appearance from his smiling uniform picture.
 
2013-02-10 08:00:00 AM  
There is no excuse for what this guy is doing. None. He is a monster. And I find it somewhat appalling that he is being turned into a folk hero.

With that said the LAPD has been a problem for decades. Scandal after scandal. The fact that people are even cheering this guy on shows a deep disrespect and distrust for them. When people say the words LA Justice its not a good thing.

I do hope they catch this guy very soon..Like right now soon.
 
2013-02-10 08:00:14 AM  
Is he going to use his .50 cal or what damnit!  I want him to pull off some quigleys.  But only people involved in the corruption of course.
 
2013-02-10 08:00:42 AM  

k_46r_a: The text moving around every time the photo changed almost made me seasick...


you don't have a motion sickness issue do you?
25.media.tumblr.com

how can i help?
 
2013-02-10 08:00:58 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: tshauk: No Time To Explain: This is one of those stories I'm conflict on who I support

/the ex-cop who went a little ballistic after despising the corruption witnessed in his line of work
//or the retarded chips who are corrupted and do such moronic things and get away with it

///i feel sad that America has went full retard this fast in my lifetime

I completely understand your plight.

Cops are idiots for the most part and way out of control, they are to far removed from the society they mean to protect.

However, Dorner killed innocent family members, and there is no justice in that.  He needs to be hunted and brought to justice.

The two are separate in my opinion, but when they clash more will die.

It's tragic all around.

I've met a lot of cops over the years and haven't noticed a higher percentage of idiots in that population than any other, and in fact far less than what I find in some Fark threads.

Good on you though for working so hard for your fark counterculture merit badge.

This guy was scum the minute he put this plot together and killed innocent people. Even if he was kicked off the force inappropriately (and there is no evidence he was) he warrants no sympathy from anyone.


You met cops?  individuals are much smarted than the collective.

YES, police act like idiots too, and with much more frequency than should be tolerated.

Can I have my badge now?
 
2013-02-10 08:03:35 AM  

doglover: Bontesla: Specifically what factual evidence are you using to condemn Dorner as a murderer?

I'm not the judicial system. I don't have the burden of legal proof. I can extrapolate based on circumstantial evidence using deductive reasoning.

Given he is fleeing arrest.
Given that he left a manifesto.
Given that people connected to people connected directly to names in the manifesto are dead.
Given that the police are acting like scared little children, just like any bullies do when they meet a bigger bully.

I feel it is with some degree of certainly close to 100 that I can assume he is in fact a murderer. So I do not pepper my language with superfluous qualifiers like a biatch. I'm going out on a limb. It's a very sturdy limb and I have no fear it's going to break. However, you've caught me extrapolating and bully for you. If the stars align and he hasn't actually killed anyone, I'll buy you a beer. Until then, I'm calling him a murderer because all signs point that way.

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-10 08:03:56 AM  
 
2013-02-10 08:04:05 AM  

iron_city_ap: You forgot to open with ' In a world... '




Damn. Well, we'll revise it for reposting in future dorner threads :P. and id like to wordsmith the hero part into something more... antihero...
 
2013-02-10 08:05:17 AM  

doglover: Bontesla: Specifically what factual evidence are you using to condemn Dorner as a murderer?

I'm not the judicial system. I don't have the burden of legal proof. I can extrapolate based on circumstantial evidence using deductive reasoning.

Given he is fleeing arrest.
Given that he left a manifesto.
Given that people connected to people connected directly to names in the manifesto are dead.
Given that the police are acting like scared little children, just like any bullies do when they meet a bigger bully.

I feel it is with some degree of certainly close to 100 that I can assume he is in fact a murderer. So I do not pepper my language with superfluous qualifiers like a biatch. I'm going out on a limb. It's a very sturdy limb and I have no fear it's going to break. However, you've caught me extrapolating and bully for you. If the stars align and he hasn't actually killed anyone, I'll buy you a beer. Until then, I'm calling him a murderer because all signs point that way.


He's on the run but the LAPD are also trying to kill him. This isn't remotely conclusive.

The manifesto isn't a confession of murder and thus isn't evidence for or against murder.

One person connected to someone named in the manifesto has been killed. In a parking lot in a nearby town. So, again, that's not remotely conclusive.

You've told a story given a certain set of facts. That story is the same one being told by an organization accused of illegal activity.

Unless he's convicted, in a court or law, I think it's fair to withhold judgment.
 
2013-02-10 08:05:25 AM  

Cerebral Knievel: So, what upcoming "an innocent man, who knows to much and is now being hunted by a corrupt system that must silence him at costs and needs to find the real killer to clear his name" movie is this a viral marketing campaign for?


I heard they are looking at him for the role...
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-10 08:05:31 AM  

tshauk: I've met a lot of cops over the years and haven't noticed a higher percentage of idiots in that population than any other, and in fact far less than what I find in some Fark threads.


thats not really giving credit to idiots. Please- think of the idiots.
 
2013-02-10 08:06:26 AM  

ItchyMcDoogle: There is no excuse for what this guy is doing. None. He is a monster. And I find it somewhat appalling that he is being turned into a folk hero.

With that said the LAPD has been a problem for decades. Scandal after scandal. The fact that people are even cheering this guy on shows a deep disrespect and distrust for them. When people say the words LA Justice its not a good thing.

I do hope they catch this guy very soon..Like right now soon.


He's a monster for...?
 
2013-02-10 08:06:35 AM  
The LAPD look so dumb.. Shooting up innocents. Then they re-opened the case.. To the public that looks like +1 for Dorner. Then they have the stupidity to say "we're not re-opening it for Dorner but for the public".. To the public that looks like +1 for Dorner..

This guy is doing a hell of a job of making them look retarded.
 
2013-02-10 08:06:40 AM  

alienated: tshauk: I've met a lot of cops over the years and haven't noticed a higher percentage of idiots in that population than any other, and in fact far less than what I find in some Fark threads.

thats not really giving credit to idiots. Please- think of the idiots.


Those aren't my words.  Just sayin.
 
2013-02-10 08:07:12 AM  
Dorner is the deadest walking black man alive at present.

Yesterday I posted something along the lines the what Aemrica does best is train people to kill. And some responded back, supposed finishing my sentence saying that the people who are killed "needed killing".

And I'd like to say to that asshole: You tell that to the family of Aiyanna Jones. Tell that to the family of Treyvon Martin. Tell that to the family of Oscar Grant.

Find me the story of even one white person suspiciously shot by the police in 2012. Just one. Any one. Does this happen to white people? I know poor white folks get harassed by the police, but killed? Just outright killed? Sometimes some uppity white woman gets tased, but killed?

I just would like to know if anyone knows of a white person outright killed by the police just for walking, or sleeping in a house where a criminal might be or for surrendering to the police and got shot while laying down in handcuffs because the cop mistook his gun for a taser.

Does this shiat happen to white people?

If it does, I would really like to know and I would like to start adding these stories to the collective. Because once this shiat really starts happening to white folk on a daily basis, America is truly farked.
 
2013-02-10 08:08:31 AM  

ItchyMcDoogle: When people say the words LA Justice its not a good thing.


Anytime you use the word "justice" when referring to anything in the legal system, it's hubris. There is no justice inherent in any part of America's legal system. It's a system of rules and punishments for breaking said rules coupled with mechanisms to enforce the system on those who are unwilling to cooperate peacefully. It is not, however, justice.

Justice can be had if you do the right things, grease the right palms, and go to temple with enough of the right lawyers to either afford them or get a freebie. But much like extrajudicial justice, you can't really get it without heroic efforts on your part. The closest thing the legal system has to justice is the death penalty, and even that's so slow it's hardly worth it.

But then, justice doesn't really make things right, it just makes things even. "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" I believe is the saying.

Never call courts, lawyers, police, or judges "Justice". It's "Law". Law is important, vital even, to the success of a nation, but it is not justice and you're going to make bad assumptions about your chances playing with that fire if you mix the two words up in your head.
 
2013-02-10 08:09:56 AM  
He's in here.
Just waiting to show him off.
farm9.staticflickr.com
 
2013-02-10 08:10:26 AM  

Hermione_Granger: Dorner is the deadest walking black man alive at present.

Yesterday I posted something along the lines the what Aemrica does best is train people to kill. And some responded back, supposed finishing my sentence saying that the people who are killed "needed killing".

And I'd like to say to that asshole: You tell that to the family of Aiyanna Jones. Tell that to the family of Treyvon Martin. Tell that to the family of Oscar Grant.

Find me the story of even one white person suspiciously shot by the police in 2012. Just one. Any one. Does this happen to white people? I know poor white folks get harassed by the police, but killed? Just outright killed? Sometimes some uppity white woman gets tased, but killed?

I just would like to know if anyone knows of a white person outright killed by the police just for walking, or sleeping in a house where a criminal might be or for surrendering to the police and got shot while laying down in handcuffs because the cop mistook his gun for a taser.

Does this shiat happen to white people?

If it does, I would really like to know and I would like to start adding these stories to the collective. Because once this shiat really starts happening to white folk on a daily basis, America is truly farked.


Brace yourself,,,and Welcome to Fark.
 
2013-02-10 08:10:34 AM  

Hermione_Granger: Dorner is the deadest walking black man alive at present.

Yesterday I posted something along the lines the what Aemrica does best is train people to kill. And some responded back, supposed finishing my sentence saying that the people who are killed "needed killing".

And I'd like to say to that asshole: You tell that to the family of Aiyanna Jones. Tell that to the family of Treyvon Martin. Tell that to the family of Oscar Grant.

Find me the story of even one white person suspiciously shot by the police in 2012. Just one. Any one. Does this happen to white people? I know poor white folks get harassed by the police, but killed? Just outright killed? Sometimes some uppity white woman gets tased, but killed?

I just would like to know if anyone knows of a white person outright killed by the police just for walking, or sleeping in a house where a criminal might be or for surrendering to the police and got shot while laying down in handcuffs because the cop mistook his gun for a taser.

Does this shiat happen to white people?

If it does, I would really like to know and I would like to start adding these stories to the collective. Because once this shiat really starts happening to white folk on a daily basis, America is truly farked.


10/10.. You're going to get a shiat load of bites on this one.. Allstar quality trolling.
 
2013-02-10 08:11:28 AM  
>Deep Contact
He's in here.
Just waiting to show him off.

What is the big deal about a few five gallon buckets?
 
2013-02-10 08:11:59 AM  

Hermione_Granger: If it does, I would really like to know and I would like to start adding these stories to the collective. Because once this shiat really starts happening to white folk on a daily basis, America is truly farked.


Put. the.bong.down.
 
2013-02-10 08:14:08 AM  
 wants to be a fark mod.
 
2013-02-10 08:14:37 AM  
I wonder if they meant to put "suspected killed" in both photo captions or if it was a repeated Freudian typo.

Also, re: LAPD reopening his case, I read somewhere that if it's an open case the documentation may be exempt from FOI requests. If that's true, reopening it may just be LAPD's way of making an end run around Dorner's plea to the media to look into it.
 
2013-02-10 08:15:32 AM  

styckx: Hermione_Granger: Dorner is the deadest walking black man alive at present.

Yesterday I posted something along the lines the what Aemrica does best is train people to kill. And some responded back, supposed finishing my sentence saying that the people who are killed "needed killing".

And I'd like to say to that asshole: You tell that to the family of Aiyanna Jones. Tell that to the family of Treyvon Martin. Tell that to the family of Oscar Grant.

Find me the story of even one white person suspiciously shot by the police in 2012. Just one. Any one. Does this happen to white people? I know poor white folks get harassed by the police, but killed? Just outright killed? Sometimes some uppity white woman gets tased, but killed?

I just would like to know if anyone knows of a white person outright killed by the police just for walking, or sleeping in a house where a criminal might be or for surrendering to the police and got shot while laying down in handcuffs because the cop mistook his gun for a taser.

Does this shiat happen to white people?

If it does, I would really like to know and I would like to start adding these stories to the collective. Because once this shiat really starts happening to white folk on a daily basis, America is truly farked.

10/10.. You're going to get a shiat load of bites on this one.. Allstar quality trolling.


I agree  10/10
 
2013-02-10 08:16:17 AM  
I am looking forward to seeing an attractive, blond, upper-middle class female of breeding age in a foreign made pickup be the next accidental target.

Because unlike random older men or hispanic women that deliver papers, their would be a great public outcry.

/Extra points for daughters of politicans or rich community leaders.
 
2013-02-10 08:18:05 AM  

BalugaJoe: wants to be a fark mod.


I mod on a live telly show place. its not fun, half the time. The other half- its boring. Anyone who wants to modmin anything is a bit off. No offense meant to Fark folks, but, they already know that they are a bit off, so ...
 
2013-02-10 08:18:23 AM  

Enemabag Jones: >Deep Contact
He's in here.
Just waiting to show him off.

What is the big deal about a few five gallon buckets?


Fish bait.
 
2013-02-10 08:19:42 AM  

styckx: Hermione_Granger: Dorner is the deadest walking black man alive at present.

Yesterday I posted something along the lines the what Aemrica does best is train people to kill. And some responded back, supposed finishing my sentence saying that the people who are killed "needed killing".

And I'd like to say to that asshole: You tell that to the family of Aiyanna Jones. Tell that to the family of Treyvon Martin. Tell that to the family of Oscar Grant.

Find me the story of even one white person suspiciously shot by the police in 2012. Just one. Any one. Does this happen to white people? I know poor white folks get harassed by the police, but killed? Just outright killed? Sometimes some uppity white woman gets tased, but killed?

I just would like to know if anyone knows of a white person outright killed by the police just for walking, or sleeping in a house where a criminal might be or for surrendering to the police and got shot while laying down in handcuffs because the cop mistook his gun for a taser.

Does this shiat happen to white people?

If it does, I would really like to know and I would like to start adding these stories to the collective. Because once this shiat really starts happening to white folk on a daily basis, America is truly farked.

10/10.. You're going to get a shiat load of bites on this one.. Allstar quality trolling.


12/10.  Only because I don't think he's kidding.
 
2013-02-10 08:19:54 AM  

optikeye: Snotnose: I fear the cops more than Dorner at this point.

and for good reason since they attacked without warning truck delivering news papers, driven by two women an opened fire on it...with no warning. http://ktla.com/2013/02/09/delivering-newspapers-then-caught-in-a-hai l -of-lapd-bullets/#axzz2KTSh2cbT

"To protect and Serve" my ass.


I was thinking the Wanted Suspects posting would be them.  Weird.

Have they posted the Wanted pictures of the armed gang members that shot those two women, anywhere else, yet?
 
2013-02-10 08:21:57 AM  

jakomo002: optikeye: and for good reason since they attacked without warning truck delivering news papers, driven by two women an opened fire on it...with no warning

It's pretty telling that the cops just opened fire on the vehicle without warning.

U.S. Law enforcement wants this guy dead. No trial. No arrest.

I'd be incredibly surprised if Dorner is captured and arrested and faces trial.


I don't know. he might turn himself in to another police dept other than LA. If he thinks they're getting close to him.
 
2013-02-10 08:24:32 AM  
I don't know if this was posted in previous threads. Michael Ruppert on the matter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a9yDJ06Z2-w&feature=player_embedded
 
2013-02-10 08:25:09 AM  
Nice MySpace angle dood.

cdn.ebaumsworld.com
 
2013-02-10 08:27:08 AM  

HindiDiscoMonster: Cerebral Knievel: So, what upcoming "an innocent man, who knows to much and is now being hunted by a corrupt system that must silence him at costs and needs to find the real killer to clear his name" movie is this a viral marketing campaign for?

I heard they are looking at him for the role...
[3.bp.blogspot.com image 505x604]




I haven't seen him around for a while. Hopefully they can dig him up.
 
2013-02-10 08:27:40 AM  

Deep Contact: Enemabag Jones: >Deep Contact
He's in here.
Just waiting to show him off.

What is the big deal about a few five gallon buckets?

Fish bait.


"I can go slow ahead. Come down here and chum some of this shiat" (youtube)
 
2013-02-10 08:28:17 AM  

Hermione_Granger: Dorner is the deadest walking black man alive at present.

Yesterday I posted something along the lines the what Aemrica does best is train people to kill. And some responded back, supposed finishing my sentence saying that the people who are killed "needed killing".

And I'd like to say to that asshole: You tell that to the family of Aiyanna Jones. Tell that to the family of Treyvon Martin. Tell that to the family of Oscar Grant.

Find me the story of even one white person suspiciously shot by the police in 2012. Just one. Any one. Does this happen to white people? I know poor white folks get harassed by the police, but killed? Just outright killed? Sometimes some uppity white woman gets tased, but killed?

I just would like to know if anyone knows of a white person outright killed by the police just for walking, or sleeping in a house where a criminal might be or for surrendering to the police and got shot while laying down in handcuffs because the cop mistook his gun for a taser.

Does this shiat happen to white people?

If it does, I would really like to know and I would like to start adding these stories to the collective. Because once this shiat really starts happening to white folk on a daily basis, America is truly farked.



Here you go:  http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/24/us/houston-disabled-man-shooting
 
2013-02-10 08:30:18 AM  
Hobodeluxe
I don't know. he might turn himself in to another police dept other than LA. If he thinks they're getting close to him.


I would go FBI. The extradition process back to California would be pretty dangerous. We are talking about survival tatics right out of the plot of a Michael Crichton movie.

/I bet he would be pretty suicidal and might not survive the trip back to LA. Hiding a gun in his anus with an improper patdown, video camera is broken. Something like that.
 
2013-02-10 08:30:56 AM  
He accuses senior black officers of farking with junior white officers.

/have not heard this covered yet
 
2013-02-10 08:31:36 AM  

Alonjar: sanriosucks: Can someone more in the know fill me in? This story, or the lapd's version (plus accusations made in the "manifesto"), doesn't add up. Is there more here? Conspiracy? Has this guy actually killed anyone yet?
Or is he just a killer duckhead who happens to work for the lapd (who nobody trusts enough to have people not think an enemy of theirs is probably innocent)



Typical mass media proganda bullshiat.

He was a true boy scout... joinend police explorers as a kid, found $8k cash and turned it in to a church, joined the military where he went into intelligence work.. eventually was allowed to switch to non active reserves and complete his dream of joining the LAPD.

Then when he's an officer, he sees rampant racism and abuse of citizens.  The day that sparked this whole mess, he had handcuffed a mentally ill suspect, and a female cop walked over and started kicking the suspect in the face... while he was on the ground handcuffed.

So Mr GI Joe here reports her for excessive force... which goes to a review panel, they say Uh we dont prosecute cops, sorry, she didnt do it... but you're now fired for filing a "false report". and lying about this abuse that never happened.

Because he was fired from the LAPD for "creating a false report", it completely boned his military security clearance and destroyed any chance he has of working anything other than a security guard.

Having everything stripped from him, and seeing rampant corruption going unchecked, as well as racism etc, he has become The Punisher, the Dark Knight, he who watches the watchmen.  He has vowed to cut the corruption out of the LAPD by force, using his tactical training and access to secure military intelligence systems.

He is the terror that flaps in the night.  He will kill every police officer he can to root this evil from the land.  Only by waging assymetrical warfare against the LAPD was he able to bring attention to a corrupted system, and his injustice he has had to endure because he chose to do the right thing.

He is the creak in the hallway.  He is the wind rustling at the back of your neck.  Because his life was torn from him and destroyed to protect criminal cops, forcing him into these actions, he will never get to have a family.  For forcing this fate upon him, none of the cops families shall be safe.  All they hold dear is at risk... for once, the hunters become the hunted.  The tyrants are afraid, for justice has come for them.

He is a good man pushed too far... and he is prepared to give his life, so that you may live yours in freedom and liberty.

He is an American Hero.


I would like to subscribe to your newsletter.
 
2013-02-10 08:32:10 AM  
The cops are out to kill his butt so he won't be a problem anymore.
If the piggies are shooting up the pickups of newspaper delivery ladies, this dude hasn't got a chance.

/Is that LLBean he's wearing?
 
2013-02-10 08:37:47 AM  
Look for him at the Montecito Casino.
 
2013-02-10 08:41:02 AM  
Don't worry guys, LAPD's taking care of the women they shot up, they're so apologetic they're giving them a new truck
 
2013-02-10 08:41:16 AM  

Enemabag Jones: There has been some sort of gang war looking for an informant, and for second time someone has been shot at due to confusion. Luckily nobody has died.


Jesus Christ, that's insane. Police stop a small white dude when they are looking for a large black dude, and ask him a bunch of questions because he was driving a similar vehicle. Dude is obviously not the droids they are looking for so why even bother asking him questions about where he is going and what he is doing? And then a 2nd cop slams his cruiser into his truck because "he was coming right at us"? Seems to me the cop was coming right at him.

And yet not one Goddamn thing will happen to the cops who pull this shiat. Shooting at every Nissan truck you see because the bad guy *might* be in it? Wounding civilans and making no attempt to make sure of the target? How the fark can they be allowed to do this shiat?

Is someone is *actively* trying to kill me. Say they are shooting at me, and I return fire, and one of my bullets misses and injures an innocent person,  I am held responsible. Criminal and cival penalties all around. Doesn't matter that it was the other guy trying to kill me that forced me to respond. But if a cop goes "Hey, the killer was driving a black Ford F-150, and there is someone in a green Toyota Tundra, better empty three mags into it as it drives by and force it off the road into a ditch with my cruiser, and then shoot some more, just in case" He is found to "have acted in accordance with dept policy"

Fark these people.
 
2013-02-10 08:44:25 AM  

HotIgneous Intruder: The cops are out to kill his butt so he won't be a problem anymore.
If the piggies are shooting up the pickups of newspaper delivery ladies, this dude hasn't got a chance.

/Is that LLBean he's wearing?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHei4OrwT2o
 
2013-02-10 08:44:54 AM  

maddogdelta: Relax, the cops got the guy... here's the picture of his gray Nissan pickup...
[latimesblogs.latimes.com image 580x378]



Is that a 46 I see?  46 or more shots fired when you can't even see the vehicles occupants?  Are these clowns still on the force?
 
2013-02-10 08:45:55 AM  

pi8you: Don't worry guys, LAPD's taking care of the women they shot up, they're so apologetic they're giving them a new truck


They'll be getting more than that once their lawyer is done with this.. An shiatty internet Fark lawyer could score them a few million with that open and shut case..
 
2013-02-10 08:47:34 AM  
There seems to be a greater amount of derp in this thread than in most others on Fark.

I don't know how this plays out for Dorner, whether his course of action will do more harm than good in ending police corruption, what's the truth in his dismissal and complaints against LAPD, etc.

But America has a real problem with corruption and injustice in all of its institutions, and it's especially bad within law enforcement.  Police departments, both rural and urban, have officers who abuse their authority and are every bit the criminals that the police are supposed to protect us from.  Someone could spend weeks watching all of the YouTube videos of incidents of police brutality and general thuggery.

And those videos represent merely a tiny fraction of the abuses...just the ones in which luck allowed a recording device to be present.

It's well past time for the federal government to become involved in cleaning up our police departments and we should demand that cleaning up the police becomes a major initiative from the Obama Administration.
 
2013-02-10 08:49:23 AM  

IntertubeUser: There seems to be a greater amount of derp in this thread than in most others on Fark.

I don't know how this plays out for Dorner, whether his course of action will do more harm than good in ending police corruption, what's the truth in his dismissal and complaints against LAPD, etc.

But America has a real problem with corruption and injustice in all of its institutions, and it's especially bad within law enforcement.  Police departments, both rural and urban, have officers who abuse their authority and are every bit the criminals that the police are supposed to protect us from.  Someone could spend weeks watching all of the YouTube videos of incidents of police brutality and general thuggery.

And those videos represent merely a tiny fraction of the abuses...just the ones in which luck allowed a recording device to be present.

It's well past time for the federal government to become involved in cleaning up our police departments and we should demand that cleaning up the police becomes a major initiative from the Obama Administration.


The problem is that is a bunch of corrupt assholes `cleaning up' a bunch of corrupt assholes..  You're just going to be left with the same shiat unfortunately.
 
2013-02-10 08:52:21 AM  

maddogdelta: Relax, the cops got the guy... here's the picture of his gray Nissan pickup...
[latimesblogs.latimes.com image 580x378]



I want to know who the hell shot up the tailgate so I can point at him and laugh.
 
2013-02-10 08:53:49 AM  

pi8you: Don't worry guys, LAPD's taking care of the women they shot up, they're so apologetic they're giving them a new truck


But only if they don't sue I bet.

And I am still convinced that if Dorner had been in the truck and survived the cops would have finished him off.
 
2013-02-10 08:55:12 AM  

pi8you: Don't worry guys, LAPD's taking care of the women they shot up, they're so apologetic they're giving them a new truck


Actually, they "arranged" for a civilian to donate a truck.

Article's suspect, though.  The Commander met with the women in their home, but the mother is in the hospital.

Also, how will a paralyzed woman drive a truck?
 
2013-02-10 08:55:31 AM  

generallyso: Meanwhile the police shooting up random civilians have gotten away scott free.


Even more than that.  Police murder citizens- free vacation for officer.  Anyone murders police - killer goes to top of U.S. most wanted.
 
2013-02-10 08:55:49 AM  

styckx: pi8you: Don't worry guys, LAPD's taking care of the women they shot up, they're so apologetic they're giving them a new truck

They'll be getting more than that once their lawyer is done with this.. An shiatty internet Fark lawyer could score them a few million with that open and shut case..


No doubt, but the LAPD has to do something to try and minimize the damage done. It looks far worse if they had done nothing at all.
 
2013-02-10 09:01:08 AM  
http://leaksource.wordpress.com/2013/02/07/christopher-dorner-v-lapd-c ase-file/

Reposted from previous page.
/thanks to original poster
//this was was great read
 
2013-02-10 09:01:23 AM  
Wasn't this cancelled on ABC?
 
2013-02-10 09:04:23 AM  
i595.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-10 09:05:39 AM  

styckx: IntertubeUser: There seems to be a greater amount of derp in this thread than in most others on Fark.

I don't know how this plays out for Dorner, whether his course of action will do more harm than good in ending police corruption, what's the truth in his dismissal and complaints against LAPD, etc.

But America has a real problem with corruption and injustice in all of its institutions, and it's especially bad within law enforcement.  Police departments, both rural and urban, have officers who abuse their authority and are every bit the criminals that the police are supposed to protect us from.  Someone could spend weeks watching all of the YouTube videos of incidents of police brutality and general thuggery.

And those videos represent merely a tiny fraction of the abuses...just the ones in which luck allowed a recording device to be present.

It's well past time for the federal government to become involved in cleaning up our police departments and we should demand that cleaning up the police becomes a major initiative from the Obama Administration.

The problem is that is a bunch of corrupt assholes `cleaning up' a bunch of corrupt assholes..  You're just going to be left with the same shiat unfortunately.


But it's corrupt assholes from outside the local police departments' clique of corrupt assholes.

If the federal government isn't up to the job, then the only recourse is a few thousand Christopher Dorners out there and we give up on this notion about the rule of law.
 
2013-02-10 09:08:27 AM  

fnordfocus: Also, how will a paralyzed woman drive a truck?


Dunno, considering none of the women are paralyzed.  One shot in the hand, one injured by broken glass.
 
2013-02-10 09:09:04 AM  
Doctor Funkenstein
[From a previous entry]
LDM90
You can't fool me, that's Tyler Perry!
His eyes say angry comedian, not closeted homosexual.


I think I have this man identified.
 
2013-02-10 09:13:52 AM  

Enemabag Jones: Doctor Funkenstein
[From a previous entry]
LDM90
You can't fool me, that's Tyler Perry!
His eyes say angry comedian, not closeted homosexual.

I think I have this man identified.


It can only be topped if, when they catch him, he looks into the closest camera and says, "Was that wrong?  Should I not have done that?"
 
2013-02-10 09:14:18 AM  
"Do not deploy airships or gunships. SA-7 Manpads will be waiting." .... Excuse me? Did he bring home a stack of weapons from Iraq? It'll be interesting to see if he has any outside help.
 
2013-02-10 09:14:47 AM  

maddogdelta: Relax, the cops got the guy... here's the picture of his gray Nissan pickup...
[latimesblogs.latimes.com image 580x378]


What?!  No, that was just a mistake.
They found him a while later driving a Gray Nissan pickup and ran it off the road.

dl.dropbox.com
 
2013-02-10 09:18:05 AM  
flexflint
"Do not deploy airships or gunships. SA-7 Manpads will be waiting." .... Excuse me? Did he bring home a stack of weapons from Iraq? It'll be interesting to see if he has any outside help.


I don't believe in what he did, but he is more likeable then those hunting him recently.
/Read in possible folk hero following.
 
2013-02-10 09:19:01 AM  

flexflint: "Do not deploy airships or gunships. SA-7 Manpads will be waiting." .... Excuse me? Did he bring home a stack of weapons from Iraq? It'll be interesting to see if he has any outside help.


I wouldn't be surprised if he had help considering all of the wild goose changes he's provided. He's hiding out and has expensive weaponry.
 
2013-02-10 09:19:40 AM  

Triumph: You think the writer is really named "Randy Economy?" What a bizarre pen name.


Sounds porny.
 
2013-02-10 09:22:30 AM  
I will wait for the movie on this.
 
2013-02-10 09:24:44 AM  

khyberkitsune: fnordfocus: Also, how will a paralyzed woman drive a truck?

Dunno, considering none of the women are paralyzed.  One shot in the hand, one injured by broken glass.


The mother was shot twice in the back.
 
2013-02-10 09:25:39 AM  
There's only one thing worse than a bad guy with a gun.


A load of good guys with shiatloads of guns.
 
2013-02-10 09:29:36 AM  
They will not take Dorner in custody alive. They will put a bullet in his head when they find him and claim he committed suicide. The cops are more evil than this guy.
 
2013-02-10 09:33:42 AM  
I figured that they would have located this guy by now. The abandoned truck,  magazines, and motel surveillance photos may have been planted to throw the cops off his trail.
 
2013-02-10 09:38:12 AM  
lunkhed
There's only one thing worse than a bad guy with a gun.
A load of good lawful evil guys with shiatloads of guns shooting at random Japanese pickup trucks..
 
2013-02-10 09:41:28 AM  
The fact that the cops are idiots doesn't make this guy less of an asshole.

It is terrifying that this crazy son of a b*tch has fans.
 
2013-02-10 09:43:36 AM  

Snotnose: I fear the cops more than Dorner at this point.


There are suspects all over America wanted for killing a few people and threatening others. It's really too bad they don't go after each of them with the same gusto. But just because it's one of their own doesn't mean they should chuck good judgment and discipline to the side. That has obviously happened given who they've shot up already.
 
2013-02-10 09:53:46 AM  

The Muthaship: The fact that the cops are idiots doesn't make this guy less of an asshole.

It is terrifying that this crazy son of a b*tch has fans.


Meh. He comes across as a really good guy.
Based on what we actually know - why does he come across as an asshole?
 
2013-02-10 09:54:58 AM  
This dude started out as the consummate boyscout. Nobody just snaps out after a successful carreer without provocation. I am more inclined to believe that this dude got shat on and.is trying to get the truth out, rather than believe he's just a loose cannon.
If there is one thing I am sure of, its that you cannot sit around and wait for someone to give you your rights. You have to take them. Stand up for yourself and defend your.position, with violence if necessary.
 
2013-02-10 09:57:38 AM  

Alonjar: He is a good man pushed too far... and he is prepared to give his life, so that you may live yours in freedom and liberty.

He is an American Hero.


What an utter crock of horseshiat. He targets innocent relatives of those he holds a grudge against.

/you're a moron.
 
2013-02-10 09:57:48 AM  

tshauk: No Time To Explain: This is one of those stories I'm conflict on who I support

/the ex-cop who went a little ballistic after despising the corruption witnessed in his line of work
//or the retarded chips who are corrupted and do such moronic things and get away with it

///i feel sad that America has went full retard this fast in my lifetime

I completely understand your plight.

Cops are idiots for the most part and way out of control, they are to far removed from the society they mean to protect.

However, Dorner killed innocent family members, and there is no justice in that.  He needs to be hunted and brought to justice.

The two are separate in my opinion, but when they clash more will die.

It's tragic all around.


Generalize to the whole population much?
 
2013-02-10 09:58:02 AM  

The Muthaship: The fact that the cops are idiots doesn't make this guy less of an asshole.

It is terrifying that this crazy son of a b*tch has fans.


Yup, but in today's dumbshiat society it's always binary. The cops can be bad AND this narcissistic prick can be bad also, there is not a critical mass of bad forcing the two to be mutually exclusive.

If you understand that and still root for Dorner then I genuinely hope the LAPD shoots you up next.
 
2013-02-10 09:58:31 AM  

IntertubeUser: If the federal government isn't up to the job, then the only recourse is a few thousand Christopher Dorners out there and we give up on this notion about the rule of law.


Meanwhile, the American arms industry starts doing the dougie in their corporate offices.

The Muthaship: The fact that the cops are idiots doesn't make this guy less of an asshole.

It is terrifying that this crazy son of a b*tch has fans.


Welcome to Fark.

The crazy S.O.B. is shooting innocents as well. Yeah, no, not a fan here.
 
2013-02-10 09:59:03 AM  

MahicanDream: The Muthaship: The fact that the cops are idiots doesn't make this guy less of an asshole.

It is terrifying that this crazy son of a b*tch has fans.

Yup, but in today's dumbshiat society it's always binary. The cops can be bad AND this narcissistic prick can be bad also, there is not a critical mass of bad forcing the two to be mutually exclusive.

If you understand that and still root for Dorner then I genuinely hope the LAPD shoots you up next.


Oh you sound sane.
 
2013-02-10 09:59:51 AM  

Bontesla: The Muthaship: The fact that the cops are idiots doesn't make this guy less of an asshole.

It is terrifying that this crazy son of a b*tch has fans.

Meh. He comes across as a really good guy.
Based on what we actually know - why does he come across as an asshole?


He killed innocent people, WHAT A SWELL FELLA!

Fark is really showing its' ass on this story, bunch of idiots.
 
2013-02-10 10:00:14 AM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: IntertubeUser: If the federal government isn't up to the job, then the only recourse is a few thousand Christopher Dorners out there and we give up on this notion about the rule of law.

Meanwhile, the American arms industry starts doing the dougie in their corporate offices.

The Muthaship: The fact that the cops are idiots doesn't make this guy less of an asshole.

It is terrifying that this crazy son of a b*tch has fans.

Welcome to Fark.

The crazy S.O.B. is shooting innocents as well. Yeah, no, not a fan here.


He's suspected of shooting innocents. The LAPD have actually shot innocents.
 
2013-02-10 10:00:21 AM  

Bontesla: The Muthaship: The fact that the cops are idiots doesn't make this guy less of an asshole.

It is terrifying that this crazy son of a b*tch has fans.

Meh. He comes across as a really good guy.
Based on what we actually know - why does he come across as an asshole?



When you threaten to murder people, innocent family members: YOU"RE AN ASSHOLE

Muthaship is right, just because Cops are douche nozzle does not change this fact.
 
2013-02-10 10:00:22 AM  

tshauk: No Time To Explain: This is one of those stories I'm conflict on who I support

/the ex-cop who went a little ballistic after despising the corruption witnessed in his line of work
//or the retarded chips who are corrupted and do such moronic things and get away with it

///i feel sad that America has went full retard this fast in my lifetime

I completely understand your plight.

Cops are idiots for the most part and way out of control, they are to far removed from the society they mean to protect.

However, Dorner killed innocent family members, and there is no justice in that.  He needs to be hunted and brought to justice.

The two are separate in my opinion, but when they clash more will die.

It's tragic all around.


You like to hear yourself talk and you're convinced your opinion really counts for something.
 
2013-02-10 10:00:53 AM  

Bontesla: Based on what we actually know - why does he come across as an asshole?


I understand you want a conviction in court before you believe he's done anything wrong.  I am basing my opinion on how it appears now, that he's killed 3 people and plans to kill more.  If that turns out to be false, my opinion will change,
 
2013-02-10 10:01:38 AM  

Bontesla: MahicanDream: The Muthaship: The fact that the cops are idiots doesn't make this guy less of an asshole.

It is terrifying that this crazy son of a b*tch has fans.

Yup, but in today's dumbshiat society it's always binary. The cops can be bad AND this narcissistic prick can be bad also, there is not a critical mass of bad forcing the two to be mutually exclusive.

If you understand that and still root for Dorner then I genuinely hope the LAPD shoots you up next.

Oh you sound sane.


Says the person who called Dorner a "good guy". I suppose Ed Gein was just a misunderstood artist too, right?
 
2013-02-10 10:01:49 AM  

cygnusx13: tshauk: No Time To Explain: This is one of those stories I'm conflict on who I support

/the ex-cop who went a little ballistic after despising the corruption witnessed in his line of work
//or the retarded chips who are corrupted and do such moronic things and get away with it

///i feel sad that America has went full retard this fast in my lifetime

I completely understand your plight.

Cops are idiots for the most part and way out of control, they are to far removed from the society they mean to protect.

However, Dorner killed innocent family members, and there is no justice in that.  He needs to be hunted and brought to justice.

The two are separate in my opinion, but when they clash more will die.

It's tragic all around.

You like to hear yourself talk and you're convinced your opinion really counts for something.


It counted enough to inspire a response from you, glad I could occupy your time with thoughts of ME.
 
2013-02-10 10:02:48 AM  
I just came here for the fanboys.
Fark, you never dissapoint.
 
2013-02-10 10:03:15 AM  

Bontesla: He's suspected of shooting innocents.


And OJ didn't kill Nicole and Ron. Got it.
 
2013-02-10 10:03:19 AM  

MahicanDream: Bontesla: The Muthaship: The fact that the cops are idiots doesn't make this guy less of an asshole.

It is terrifying that this crazy son of a b*tch has fans.

Meh. He comes across as a really good guy.
Based on what we actually know - why does he come across as an asshole?

He killed innocent people, WHAT A SWELL FELLA!

Fark is really showing its' ass on this story, bunch of idiots.


He hasn't confessed.
He hasn't been charged.
He hasn't been convicted.
He's a suspect. He's wanted for questioning for connections to the crimes. At this stage in the investigation - it's not unusual for suspects to be ruled out or become witnesses.

You're a villager with the pitchfork. Way to give into mass stupidity.
 
2013-02-10 10:05:09 AM  

Bontesla: You're a villager with the pitchfork. Way to give into mass stupidity.


C'mon. Say it. You know you want to.  All the other hip stick it to The Man kids are saying it.  C'mon, say it.  Just once.  "Sheeple."
 
2013-02-10 10:06:18 AM  

tshauk: Bontesla: The Muthaship: The fact that the cops are idiots doesn't make this guy less of an asshole.

It is terrifying that this crazy son of a b*tch has fans.

Meh. He comes across as a really good guy.
Based on what we actually know - why does he come across as an asshole?


When you threaten to murder people, innocent family members: YOU"RE AN ASSHOLE

Muthaship is right, just because Cops are douche nozzle does not change this fact.


He didn't threaten to murder anyone. He threatened to deny them medical treatment and threatened to destroy their lives by exposing wha Dorner feels is the truth.

The cops' responses do not change the facts and this isn't a mutually exclusive relationship. Both can be bad.

However, at this point in time, the only thing we've established is that the cops are actually injuring innocent people. Dorner is wanted for questioning.
 
2013-02-10 10:07:28 AM  

The Muthaship: Bontesla: Based on what we actually know - why does he come across as an asshole?

I understand you want a conviction in court before you believe he's done anything wrong.  I am basing my opinion on how it appears now, that he's killed 3 people and plans to kill more.  If that turns out to be false, my opinion will change,


You're basing your opinion by assuming things. It's not a factual conclusion. I think it's smart to wait for evidence before we start assigning guilt.
 
2013-02-10 10:09:32 AM  

Bontesla: I think it's smart to wait for evidence before we start assigning guilt.


That's well and good.  Do you support the people in here who are cheering for him based on their belief that he's done what he's alleged to have done, but has done so for good reasons?
 
2013-02-10 10:09:33 AM  

MahicanDream: Bontesla: MahicanDream: The Muthaship: The fact that the cops are idiots doesn't make this guy less of an asshole.

It is terrifying that this crazy son of a b*tch has fans.

Yup, but in today's dumbshiat society it's always binary. The cops can be bad AND this narcissistic prick can be bad also, there is not a critical mass of bad forcing the two to be mutually exclusive.

If you understand that and still root for Dorner then I genuinely hope the LAPD shoots you up next.

Oh you sound sane.

Says the person who called Dorner a "good guy". I suppose Ed Gein was just a misunderstood artist too, right?


Based on the facts: he was considered a really good guy.

He's wanted for questioning in conjunction with crimes that could change my opinion. But until those facts are established - they don't factor into my judgment.

God forbid people wait to collect evidence before making up their minds.
 
2013-02-10 10:10:37 AM  

styckx: The LAPD look so dumb.. Shooting up innocents. Then they re-opened the case.. To the public that looks like +1 for Dorner. Then they have the stupidity to say "we're not re-opening it for Dorner but for the public".. To the public that looks like +1 for Dorner..

This guy is doing a hell of a job of making them look retarded.




It's only ONE GUY!
 
2013-02-10 10:10:44 AM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Bontesla: He's suspected of shooting innocents.

And OJ didn't kill Nicole and Ron. Got it.


LOL that doesn't help your argument.
 
2013-02-10 10:12:22 AM  

Bontesla: MahicanDream: Bontesla: The Muthaship: The fact that the cops are idiots doesn't make this guy less of an asshole.

It is terrifying that this crazy son of a b*tch has fans.

Meh. He comes across as a really good guy.
Based on what we actually know - why does he come across as an asshole?

He killed innocent people, WHAT A SWELL FELLA!

Fark is really showing its' ass on this story, bunch of idiots.

He hasn't confessed.
He hasn't been charged.
He hasn't been convicted.
He's a suspect. He's wanted for questioning for connections to the crimes. At this stage in the investigation - it's not unusual for suspects to be ruled out or become witnesses.

You're a villager with the pitchfork. Way to give into mass stupidity.


You are confusing informed opinion with mass stupidity, likely because you cannot differentiate the two.

Dorner submits a ranting manifesto in which he states he will target family members of the LAPD. He posts on Facebook that he will bring warfare to the LAPD and its' families. Sure, this could all be one massive setup, however the simpler explanation is that this guy killed those people.

You are wearing tin-foil on your head.
 
2013-02-10 10:12:40 AM  
For good or ill, there is a war brewing over movie rights to this, guaranteed.
 
2013-02-10 10:13:06 AM  
Alonjar: ypical mass media proganda bullshiat.
 
He was a true boy scout... joinend police explorers as a kid, found $8k cash and turned it in to a church, joined the military where he went into intelligence work.. eventually was allowed to switch to non active reserves and complete his dream of joining the LAPD...

And Dennis Raider, the serial killer know as BTK (Bind, Torture and Kill) was a Boy Scout leader and head of his church's congregation. Robert Yates, another serial killer who 17 murdered prostitutes was a decorated helicopter pilot for Army National Guard. John Wayne Gacy Jr, yet another serial killer who killed 33 boys and young men was a Boy Scout as well. Ted Bundy, a serial killer who raped and murdered thirty woman (of those he admitted to killing) ? Yes. Another Boy Scout.  David Berkowitz was in the US Army, served in Korea.


According to you, these men came from good backgrounds.

You have got a serious case of misplaced hero worship. And it's damn creepy. Dorner is a narcissist  who has the public on his side, at least that's what he thinks. But the media is going to grow restless and bored of him and I am willing to bet my whole bank account that he is going to kill a civilian just to put his name in the news cycles and then blame the cops for his actions. He wants attention not justice. It's all in his manifesto.

I am not saying that the police force isn't crawling with corrupt cops. They are. But Dorner isn't an "American hero." He's a serial killer.(Instead of prostitutes and young boys, he is targeting law officers and ANYONE related to them.) You can say snap. But they all start somewhere.
 
2013-02-10 10:13:11 AM  

The Muthaship: Bontesla: I think it's smart to wait for evidence before we start assigning guilt.

That's well and good.  Do you support the people in here who are cheering for him based on their belief that he's done what he's alleged to have done, but has done so for good reasons?


We don't know what the hell he's done until he's questioned.

I think it's stupid for anyone to be fans of anyone involved at this point.

I root for Dorner's survival and subsequent investigation handled by someone other than the LAPD. I also root for an investigation of the LAPD.
 
2013-02-10 10:14:03 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: This guy was scum the minute he put this plot together and killed innocent people. Even if he was kicked off the force inappropriately (and there is no evidence he was) he warrants no sympathy from anyone.


Oh look, another "the cops can do no wrong" blind supporter.  How's life with your head buried that far in the sand?
 
2013-02-10 10:16:06 AM  

Bontesla: Based on the facts: he was considered a really good guy.

He's wanted for questioning in conjunction with crimes that could change my opinion. But until those facts are established - they don't factor into my judgment.

God forbid people wait to collect evidence before making up their minds.


What facts are there establishing that he is a "good guy"? He likes Louis CK? He wants to know what's up with Michelle Obama's bangs? OMG HE'S JUST LIKE US!

Besides the part where he murdered people, but I suppose his own warnings of violence are inadmissible in a court of Fark.
 
2013-02-10 10:16:22 AM  

Bontesla: LOL that doesn't help your argument.


www.bsmpg.com
 
2013-02-10 10:16:50 AM  

MahicanDream: Bontesla: MahicanDream: Bontesla: The Muthaship: The fact that the cops are idiots doesn't make this guy less of an asshole.

It is terrifying that this crazy son of a b*tch has fans.

Meh. He comes across as a really good guy.
Based on what we actually know - why does he come across as an asshole?

He killed innocent people, WHAT A SWELL FELLA!

Fark is really showing its' ass on this story, bunch of idiots.

He hasn't confessed.
He hasn't been charged.
He hasn't been convicted.
He's a suspect. He's wanted for questioning for connections to the crimes. At this stage in the investigation - it's not unusual for suspects to be ruled out or become witnesses.

You're a villager with the pitchfork. Way to give into mass stupidity.

You are confusing informed opinion with mass stupidity, likely because you cannot differentiate the two.

Dorner submits a ranting manifesto in which he states he will target family members of the LAPD. He posts on Facebook that he will bring warfare to the LAPD and its' families. Sure, this could all be one massive setup, however the simpler explanation is that this guy killed those people.

You are wearing tin-foil on your head.


You don't have an informed opinion. You have an interpretation of a handful of facts. You don't even have all of the facts as there's an ongoing investigation. You're seriously claiming that despite all of the sh*t you don't know (and aren't aware of what you don't know) - you can make an informed decision?

Stupidity of the masses.
 
2013-02-10 10:18:23 AM  
"Deadly consequences" and "The attacks will stop" statements he made, makes me think he has himself assigned guilt on some level.

But you're right, he did not threaten murder.

Bontesia: I think it's stupid for anyone to be fans of anyone involved at this point.
I root for Dorner's survival and subsequent investigation handled by someone other than the LAPD. I also root for an investigation of the LAPD.


Agreed
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-10 10:18:31 AM  

Hermione_Granger: Dorner is the deadest walking black man alive at present.

Yesterday I posted something along the lines the what Aemrica does best is train people to kill. And some responded back, supposed finishing my sentence saying that the people who are killed "needed killing".

And I'd like to say to that asshole: You tell that to the family of Aiyanna Jones. Tell that to the family of Treyvon Martin. Tell that to the family of Oscar Grant.

Find me the story of even one white person suspiciously shot by the police in 2012. Just one. Any one. Does this happen to white people? I know poor white folks get harassed by the police, but killed? Just outright killed? Sometimes some uppity white woman gets tased, but killed?

I just would like to know if anyone knows of a white person outright killed by the police just for walking, or sleeping in a house where a criminal might be or for surrendering to the police and got shot while laying down in handcuffs because the cop mistook his gun for a taser.

Does this shiat happen to white people?

If it does, I would really like to know and I would like to start adding these stories to the collective. Because once this shiat really starts happening to white folk on a daily basis, America is truly farked.


Sigh, I know you're troll-o-the-day but you asked for an example of something, so here you go.
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-802721
LGT article showing a young man shot for cops stupidity and ignorance in thinking some car audio were parts of a pipe bomb or such. Shot 19 times!

You can GIS as well as the next person so I refuse to sit and do your due diligence for you. You need to learn to do that BEFORE posting a troll line such as this.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak  post a troll and to remove all doubt."
 
2013-02-10 10:19:43 AM  
i595.photobucket.com

"Calm down, LAPD.  Now is not the time for shooting Asian women.  That comes later."
 
2013-02-10 10:19:48 AM  
If the police find him, he will die. Not that he doesn't likely deserve it (if he killed Lawrence and Quan), but he really needs get to a TV station somewhere to help ensure he doesn't die in custody. The LAPD wants him silenced. If he wants to shine some sunlight on their corruption, he's going to have to do it from death row.
 
2013-02-10 10:20:21 AM  

Bontesla: You don't have an informed opinion. You have an interpretation of a handful of facts. You don't even have all of the facts as there's an ongoing investigation. You're seriously claiming that despite all of the sh*t you don't know (and aren't aware of what you don't know) - you can make an informed decision?


None of us can, at this stage. I'm remaining agnostic until facts (not media yammer) are more plentiful.
 
2013-02-10 10:20:39 AM  
Holy balls, going through the thread...Do you "wait for the evidence" people realize you are choosing to ignore incriminating, non circumstantial evidence?  It's bullsh*t.  Either admit that this is entertainment for you and being a contrarian on the internet is fun--or actually "wait for the evidence."

The idea that the wrongful termination, the manifesto, the threats, the ballistic evidence, the public ambush with witnesses leading to a dead cop, the media frenzy that ensued-- all of this could possibly be a massive setup by the LAPD?  Holy sh*t, you people need a week of sensory deprivation clinics.
 
2013-02-10 10:21:41 AM  

MahicanDream: Bontesla: Based on the facts: he was considered a really good guy.

He's wanted for questioning in conjunction with crimes that could change my opinion. But until those facts are established - they don't factor into my judgment.

God forbid people wait to collect evidence before making up their minds.

What facts are there establishing that he is a "good guy"? He likes Louis CK? He wants to know what's up with Michelle Obama's bangs? OMG HE'S JUST LIKE US!

Besides the part where he murdered people, but I suppose his own warnings of violence are inadmissible in a court of Fark.


Based on the former Chief of Police's statements. He handled the original accusation that Dorner's training officer misused force in arresting a suspect.
 
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2013-02-10 10:21:48 AM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Bontesla: LOL that doesn't help your argument.

[www.bsmpg.com image 400x298]


Love that movie. Laughed myself sore in the ribs at some of the lines.
 
2013-02-10 10:26:35 AM  

Bontesla: You don't have an informed opinion. You have an interpretation of a handful of facts. You don't even have all of the facts as there's an ongoing investigation. You're seriously claiming that despite all of the sh*t you don't know (and aren't aware of what you don't know) - you can make an informed decision?

Stupidity of the masses.


My opinion comes from facts, I am not making a value judgement based on who I think the guy is. Whether he is a good guy or not is irrelevant, yet you keep repeating it like some mantra to counteract reality. The only facts we have all point to him doing this, including his own warnings of violence.
 
2013-02-10 10:28:07 AM  

tshauk: "Deadly consequences" and "The attacks will stop" statements he made, makes me think he has himself assigned guilt on some level.

But you're right, he did not threaten murder.

Bontesia: I think it's stupid for anyone to be fans of anyone involved at this point.
I root for Dorner's survival and subsequent investigation handled by someone other than the LAPD. I also root for an investigation of the LAPD.

Agreed


If you don't think there's deadly consequences for exposing corruption then you haven't been paying attention.

Look - Dorner's statements aren't conclusive. If he survives to trial - that will likely be part of the story the District Attorney tells - but he'll have to establish an interpretation of the events. It isn't a confession.

Dorner could be guilty and could have written an intentionally vague confession just for the defense. I'm not defending Dorner. I'm saying that we shouldn't be convicting the man in the press for crimes he hasn't been criminally charged and convicted for in a court of law.

His "manifesto" isn't an admission of much.
 
2013-02-10 10:32:16 AM  

Bontesla: MahicanDream: Bontesla: Based on the facts: he was considered a really good guy.

He's wanted for questioning in conjunction with crimes that could change my opinion. But until those facts are established - they don't factor into my judgment.

God forbid people wait to collect evidence before making up their minds.

What facts are there establishing that he is a "good guy"? He likes Louis CK? He wants to know what's up with Michelle Obama's bangs? OMG HE'S JUST LIKE US!

Besides the part where he murdered people, but I suppose his own warnings of violence are inadmissible in a court of Fark.

Based on the former Chief of Police's statements. He handled the original accusation that Dorner's training officer misused force in arresting a suspect.


And there it is, an admission that you believe this all MUST be some sort of conspiracy, willfully ignoring evidence pointing to the contrary.

I honestly hope the guy WAS dicked over by the LAPD. Life. Is. Not. Fair. We all deal with that, but we do not all end up killing people or authoring self-important manifestos. Dude's coping skills are missing because he likely is a mental defect, not necessarily in a measurable way but instead in the way he processes good and bad.
 
2013-02-10 10:32:24 AM  

Bontesla: God forbid people wait to collect evidence before making up their minds.


There's nothing wrong with a snap judgement when nothing's on the line and you recognize it for what it is.

As soon as there's any evidence he DIDN'T kill three people, public opinion will change.
 
2013-02-10 10:33:00 AM  

MahicanDream: Bontesla: You don't have an informed opinion. You have an interpretation of a handful of facts. You don't even have all of the facts as there's an ongoing investigation. You're seriously claiming that despite all of the sh*t you don't know (and aren't aware of what you don't know) - you can make an informed decision?

Stupidity of the masses.

My opinion comes from facts, I am not making a value judgement based on who I think the guy is. Whether he is a good guy or not is irrelevant, yet you keep repeating it like some mantra to counteract reality. The only facts we have all point to him doing this, including his own warnings of violence.


Your opinion stems from a few facts - not all facts.

And much of what you consider facts are actually just the interpretation of facts. That's pretty common. People, in general, have difficulty determining the difference between the facts and the story. It's not a life skill that we teach and learn.
 
2013-02-10 10:33:43 AM  

MahicanDream: Bontesla: MahicanDream: Bontesla: Based on the facts: he was considered a really good guy.

He's wanted for questioning in conjunction with crimes that could change my opinion. But until those facts are established - they don't factor into my judgment.

God forbid people wait to collect evidence before making up their minds.

What facts are there establishing that he is a "good guy"? He likes Louis CK? He wants to know what's up with Michelle Obama's bangs? OMG HE'S JUST LIKE US!

Besides the part where he murdered people, but I suppose his own warnings of violence are inadmissible in a court of Fark.

Based on the former Chief of Police's statements. He handled the original accusation that Dorner's training officer misused force in arresting a suspect.

And there it is, an admission that you believe this all MUST be some sort of conspiracy, willfully ignoring evidence pointing to the contrary.

I honestly hope the guy WAS dicked over by the LAPD. Life. Is. Not. Fair. We all deal with that, but we do not all end up killing people or authoring self-important manifestos. Dude's coping skills are missing because he likely is a mental defect, not necessarily in a measurable way but instead in the way he processes good and bad.


Lolwut
 
2013-02-10 10:34:44 AM  

Bontesla: If you don't think there's deadly consequences for exposing corruption then you haven't been paying attention.


He wasn't exposing corruption.  He says he was wrongfully terminated for lying, 5 years ago, after he accused his supervisor of abusing a prisoner.  After he started the shooting rampage, his disciplinary case was reopened.  This is not how police corruption works.  What's the cover up?  Hell, where's the corruption?  Does Dorner even allude to knowing anything about anything that doesn't concern how he feels he was treated unfairly?

If you're going to live in TV land, stop pretending your "opinion" is actually superior.
 
2013-02-10 10:35:34 AM  

doglover: Bontesla: God forbid people wait to collect evidence before making up their minds.

There's nothing wrong with a snap judgement when nothing's on the line and you recognize it for what it is.

As soon as there's any evidence he DIDN'T kill three people, public opinion will change.


That's not how our criminal justice works.
We prove guilt. Not innocence.
 
2013-02-10 10:35:38 AM  

doglover: Given he is fleeing arrest.
Given that he left a manifesto.
Given that people connected to people connected directly to names in the manifesto are dead.
Given that the police are acting like scared little children, just like any bullies do when they meet a bigger bully.

I feel it is with some degree of certainly close to 100 that I can assume he is in fact a murderer.


Holy crap, that is one huge gorramleap  to an unrelated conclusion.  I feel it is with some degree of certainty close to 100 that I can assume that you are a politician.
 
2013-02-10 10:35:50 AM  

Alonjar: sanriosucks: Can someone more in the know fill me in? This story, or the lapd's version (plus accusations made in the "manifesto"), doesn't add up. Is there more here? Conspiracy? Has this guy actually killed anyone yet?
Or is he just a killer duckhead who happens to work for the lapd (who nobody trusts enough to have people not think an enemy of theirs is probably innocent)



Typical mass media proganda bullshiat.

He was a true boy scout... joinend police explorers as a kid, found $8k cash and turned it in to a church, joined the military where he went into intelligence work.. eventually was allowed to switch to non active reserves and complete his dream of joining the LAPD.

Then when he's an officer, he sees rampant racism and abuse of citizens.  The day that sparked this whole mess, he had handcuffed a mentally ill suspect, and a female cop walked over and started kicking the suspect in the face... while he was on the ground handcuffed.

So Mr GI Joe here reports her for excessive force... which goes to a review panel, they say Uh we dont prosecute cops, sorry, she didnt do it... but you're now fired for filing a "false report". and lying about this abuse that never happened.

Because he was fired from the LAPD for "creating a false report", it completely boned his military security clearance and destroyed any chance he has of working anything other than a security guard.

Having everything stripped from him, and seeing rampant corruption going unchecked, as well as racism etc, he has become The Punisher, the Dark Knight, he who watches the watchmen.  He has vowed to cut the corruption out of the LAPD by force, using his tactical training and access to secure military intelligence systems.

He is the terror that flaps in the night.  He will kill every police officer he can to root this evil from the land.  Only by waging assymetrical warfare against the LAPD was he able to bring attention to a corrupted system, and his injustice he has had to endure because he chose to do the right thing.

He is the creak in the hallway.  He is the wind rustling at the back of your neck.  Because his life was torn from him and destroyed to protect criminal cops, forcing him into these actions, he will never get to have a family.  For forcing this fate upon him, none of the cops families shall be safe.  All they hold dear is at risk... for once, the hunters become the hunted.  The tyrants are afraid, for justice has come for them.

He is a good man pushed too far... and he is prepared to give his life, so that you may live yours in freedom and liberty.

He is an American Hero.


Plagiarism aside, you put that together pretty well.
 
2013-02-10 10:36:29 AM  

Bontesla: Your opinion stems from a few facts - not all facts.


Your opinion stems from no facts--even though they are available.  i hope that works out.
 
2013-02-10 10:36:34 AM  

thamike: Holy balls, going through the thread...Do you "wait for the evidence" people realize you are choosing to ignore incriminating, non circumstantial evidence?  It's bullsh*t.  Either admit that this is entertainment for you and being a contrarian on the internet is fun--or actually "wait for the evidence."

The idea that the wrongful termination, the manifesto, the threats, the ballistic evidence, the public ambush with witnesses leading to a dead cop, the media frenzy that ensued-- all of this could possibly be a massive setup by the LAPD?  Holy sh*t, you people need a week of sensory deprivation clinics.


We are all just sheeple for falling for all of that evidence though, dontcha know. Clearly the LAPD were also forcing Ronaniah Tusiasapdsspdsfpppo to be Manti Teo's girlfriend, they caused the power outage at the Superbowl, and they are not allowing Congress to make a deal to avoid sequestration.
 
2013-02-10 10:37:00 AM  

thamike: Bontesla: If you don't think there's deadly consequences for exposing corruption then you haven't been paying attention.

He wasn't exposing corruption.  He says he was wrongfully terminated for lying, 5 years ago, after he accused his supervisor of abusing a prisoner.  After he started the shooting rampage, his disciplinary case was reopened.  This is not how police corruption works.  What's the cover up?  Hell, where's the corruption?  Does Dorner even allude to knowing anything about anything that doesn't concern how he feels he was treated unfairly?

If you're going to live in TV land, stop pretending your "opinion" is actually superior.


I've been saying that he thinks he's exposing corruption.

All we have are accusations.
 
2013-02-10 10:37:49 AM  

thamike: Bontesla: Your opinion stems from a few facts - not all facts.

Your opinion stems from no facts--even though they are available.  i hope that works out.


What do you think my opinion is? You seem confused.
 
2013-02-10 10:37:57 AM  

Bontesla: As soon as there's any evidence he DIDN'T kill three people, public opinion will change.

That's not how our criminal justice works.
We prove guilt. Not innocence.


Right, but that is how public opinion works. As the comment you were replying to clearly states.
 
2013-02-10 10:39:35 AM  

thamike: Bontesla: As soon as there's any evidence he DIDN'T kill three people, public opinion will change.

That's not how our criminal justice works.
We prove guilt. Not innocence.

Right, but that is how public opinion works. As the comment you were replying to clearly states.


That's why I inserted "criminal justice" into my response.

:)
 
2013-02-10 10:41:16 AM  

Bontesla: MahicanDream: Bontesla: You don't have an informed opinion. You have an interpretation of a handful of facts. You don't even have all of the facts as there's an ongoing investigation. You're seriously claiming that despite all of the sh*t you don't know (and aren't aware of what you don't know) - you can make an informed decision?

Stupidity of the masses.

My opinion comes from facts, I am not making a value judgement based on who I think the guy is. Whether he is a good guy or not is irrelevant, yet you keep repeating it like some mantra to counteract reality. The only facts we have all point to him doing this, including his own warnings of violence.

Your opinion stems from a few facts - not all facts.

And much of what you consider facts are actually just the interpretation of facts. That's pretty common. People, in general, have difficulty determining the difference between the facts and the story. It's not a life skill that we teach and learn.


Well which is it, does my opinion come from a few facts or just things I am confusing as facts? You don't even know how to prosecute my argument coherently. That's pretty common. People in general have difficulty determining the difference between analyzing an argument and attacking it because they feel a suspected murderer is "a good guy". It's not a life skill that we teach and learn, clearly.
 
2013-02-10 10:42:48 AM  

Bontesla: I've been saying that he thinks he's exposing corruption.

All we have are accusations.


No, there is quite a bit of incriminating evidence.  Enough to go to trial, and if he's connected with a murder weapon, or even evidence of him found at either scene--more than enough to convict.

If you want to know what the evidence is, the internet is your oyster.

Bontesla: What do you think my opinion is? You seem confused.


Your opinion is vaguely contrary to the opinion to the people you're chatting with.  I'm not confused.  You're just another internet contrarian armed with nothing but speculation, conjecture and convenient relativity when needed.  And I don't think any less of you for it, it's just obvious you are not here to fill a pair of constructive boots.
 
2013-02-10 10:43:24 AM  

Bontesla: That's not how our criminal justice works.


There is no justice system. It's a legal system. And your naive faith in it would chill me if I had less wine in my blood and the Pacific ocean wasn't between me and the shores of sweet Columbia.
 
2013-02-10 10:43:36 AM  
LA and the surrounding areas have has gang problems for a long time. It's unfortunate that the cops in LA are one of those gangs.

As for Dorner, he's obviously crazy. He thinks Tebow is a great football player for Christ sake!
 
2013-02-10 10:45:21 AM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Bontesla: You're a villager with the pitchfork. Way to give into mass stupidity.

C'mon. Say it. You know you want to.  All the other hip stick it to The Man kids are saying it.  C'mon, say it.  Just once.  "Sheeple."


Close the city and tell the people
That something's coming to call
Death and darkness are rushing forward
To stamp light from the wall!

Oh! You've nothing to say
They'll drag you away!
If you listen to fools,
The mob rules, the mob rules
 
2013-02-10 10:46:06 AM  
Just go rent Rambo and settle.
 
2013-02-10 10:46:28 AM  

Hermione_Granger: Dorner is the deadest walking black man alive at present.

Yesterday I posted something along the lines the what Aemrica does best is train people to kill. And some responded back, supposed finishing my sentence saying that the people who are killed "needed killing".

And I'd like to say to that asshole: You tell that to the family of Aiyanna Jones. Tell that to the family of Treyvon Martin. Tell that to the family of Oscar Grant.

Find me the story of even one white person suspiciously shot by the police in 2012. Just one. Any one. Does this happen to white people? I know poor white folks get harassed by the police, but killed? Just outright killed? Sometimes some uppity white woman gets tased, but killed?

I just would like to know if anyone knows of a white person outright killed by the police just for walking, or sleeping in a house where a criminal might be or for surrendering to the police and got shot while laying down in handcuffs because the cop mistook his gun for a taser.

Does this shiat happen to white people?

If it does, I would really like to know and I would like to start adding these stories to the collective. Because once this shiat really starts happening to white folk on a daily basis, America is truly farked.


It happened here in central Florida recently. Cops charged into the wrong apartment and killed the guy.
 
2013-02-10 10:46:35 AM  

styckx: Hermione_Granger: Dorner is the deadest walking black man alive at present.

Yesterday I posted something along the lines the what Aemrica does best is train people to kill. And some responded back, supposed finishing my sentence saying that the people who are killed "needed killing".

And I'd like to say to that asshole: You tell that to the family of Aiyanna Jones. Tell that to the family of Treyvon Martin. Tell that to the family of Oscar Grant.

Find me the story of even one white person suspiciously shot by the police in 2012. Just one. Any one. Does this happen to white people? I know poor white folks get harassed by the police, but killed? Just outright killed? Sometimes some uppity white woman gets tased, but killed?

I just would like to know if anyone knows of a white person outright killed by the police just for walking, or sleeping in a house where a criminal might be or for surrendering to the police and got shot while laying down in handcuffs because the cop mistook his gun for a taser.

Does this shiat happen to white people?

If it does, I would really like to know and I would like to start adding these stories to the collective. Because once this shiat really starts happening to white folk on a daily basis, America is truly farked.

10/10.. You're going to get a shiat load of bites on this one.. Allstar quality trolling.
Since when are legitimate observations trolling?  It's not hard to make the argument that non white people are treated differently by the police.

 
2013-02-10 10:46:49 AM  
Meanwhile, this are the same folks a lot of people on the left think are the only ones "responsible enough" to posses firearms.
 
2013-02-10 10:50:53 AM  

MahicanDream: Bontesla: MahicanDream: Bontesla: You don't have an informed opinion. You have an interpretation of a handful of facts. You don't even have all of the facts as there's an ongoing investigation. You're seriously claiming that despite all of the sh*t you don't know (and aren't aware of what you don't know) - you can make an informed decision?

Stupidity of the masses.

My opinion comes from facts, I am not making a value judgement based on who I think the guy is. Whether he is a good guy or not is irrelevant, yet you keep repeating it like some mantra to counteract reality. The only facts we have all point to him doing this, including his own warnings of violence.

Your opinion stems from a few facts - not all facts.

And much of what you consider facts are actually just the interpretation of facts. That's pretty common. People, in general, have difficulty determining the difference between the facts and the story. It's not a life skill that we teach and learn.

Well which is it, does my opinion come from a few facts or just things I am confusing as facts? You don't even know how to prosecute my argument coherently. That's pretty common. People in general have difficulty determining the difference between analyzing an argument and attacking it because they feel a suspected murderer is "a good guy". It's not a life skill that we teach and learn, clearly.


I said you were doing both.
 
2013-02-10 10:52:41 AM  

thamike: Bontesla: I've been saying that he thinks he's exposing corruption.

All we have are accusations.

No, there is quite a bit of incriminating evidence.  Enough to go to trial, and if he's connected with a murder weapon, or even evidence of him found at either scene--more than enough to convict.

If you want to know what the evidence is, the internet is your oyster.

Bontesla: What do you think my opinion is? You seem confused.

Your opinion is vaguely contrary to the opinion to the people you're chatting with.  I'm not confused.  You're just another internet contrarian armed with nothing but speculation, conjecture and convenient relativity when needed.  And I don't think any less of you for it, it's just obvious you are not here to fill a pair of constructive boots.


We have damning evidence of corruption?
 
2013-02-10 10:53:27 AM  
Let's get it over with.
reason.com
 
2013-02-10 10:54:18 AM  

Bontesla: The Muthaship: Bontesla: I think it's smart to wait for evidence before we start assigning guilt.

That's well and good.  Do you support the people in here who are cheering for him based on their belief that he's done what he's alleged to have done, but has done so for good reasons?

We don't know what the hell he's done until he's questioned.

I think it's stupid for anyone to be fans of anyone involved at this point.

I root for Dorner's survival and subsequent investigation handled by someone other than the LAPD. I also root for an investigation of the LAPD.


You have my vote.
 
2013-02-10 10:54:50 AM  

doglover: Bontesla: That's not how our criminal justice works.

There is no justice system. It's a legal system. And your naive faith in it would chill me if I had less wine in my blood and the Pacific ocean wasn't between me and the shores of sweet Columbia.


I have a lot more faith in the legal system than in some scared cops running around with itchy trigger fingers.

/Columbia?
 
2013-02-10 10:56:34 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: You do realize that he's a suspect in three murders, one of them a cop, right?


You do realize the LAPD has killed more than three people, right? On a scale of bodycounts (not to mention all the other 'minor' things the cops do, like assault, illegal searches, etc), the LAPD is by far the more dangerous.
 
2013-02-10 10:57:39 AM  

doglover: Bontesla: That's not how our criminal justice works.

There is no justice system. It's a legal system. And your naive faith in it would chill me if I had less wine in my blood and the Pacific ocean wasn't between me and the shores of sweet Columbia.


I've also said that if the system is broken then it needs reformed.

But it's called the Criminal Justice system. That's not me misplacing faith in something broken. It's me saying we should first rely on existing mechanisms.
 
2013-02-10 10:59:49 AM  

Bontesla: But it's called the Criminal Justice system.


Calling herpes a cold sore doesn't reduce your chance of shingles.
 
2013-02-10 10:59:55 AM  

Bontesla: MahicanDream: Bontesla: MahicanDream: Bontesla: You don't have an informed opinion. You have an interpretation of a handful of facts. You don't even have all of the facts as there's an ongoing investigation. You're seriously claiming that despite all of the sh*t you don't know (and aren't aware of what you don't know) - you can make an informed decision?

Stupidity of the masses.

My opinion comes from facts, I am not making a value judgement based on who I think the guy is. Whether he is a good guy or not is irrelevant, yet you keep repeating it like some mantra to counteract reality. The only facts we have all point to him doing this, including his own warnings of violence.

Your opinion stems from a few facts - not all facts.

And much of what you consider facts are actually just the interpretation of facts. That's pretty common. People, in general, have difficulty determining the difference between the facts and the story. It's not a life skill that we teach and learn.

Well which is it, does my opinion come from a few facts or just things I am confusing as facts? You don't even know how to prosecute my argument coherently. That's pretty common. People in general have difficulty determining the difference between analyzing an argument and attacking it because they feel a suspected murderer is "a good guy". It's not a life skill that we teach and learn, clearly.

I said you were doing both.


So, to summarize, my opinion comes from facts AND it comes just from things I am confusing as facts. That is one hell of an argument, accusing me of possessing Schroedinger's facts/not facts and all. Between that stunningly dumb statement of yours and the assertion that Dorner is a good guy there is no  way you can be serious. Nice trolling, many bites.
 
2013-02-10 11:02:17 AM  

MNguy: doglover: Bontesla: That's not how our criminal justice works.

There is no justice system. It's a legal system. And your naive faith in it would chill me if I had less wine in my blood and the Pacific ocean wasn't between me and the shores of sweet Columbia.

I have a lot more faith in the legal system than in some scared cops running around with itchy trigger fingers.

/Columbia?


Washington D.C.

D. C.

What the hell do you think DC stands for?
 
2013-02-10 11:03:32 AM  

MahicanDream: Bontesla: MahicanDream: Bontesla: MahicanDream: Bontesla: You don't have an informed opinion. You have an interpretation of a handful of facts. You don't even have all of the facts as there's an ongoing investigation. You're seriously claiming that despite all of the sh*t you don't know (and aren't aware of what you don't know) - you can make an informed decision?

Stupidity of the masses.

My opinion comes from facts, I am not making a value judgement based on who I think the guy is. Whether he is a good guy or not is irrelevant, yet you keep repeating it like some mantra to counteract reality. The only facts we have all point to him doing this, including his own warnings of violence.

Your opinion stems from a few facts - not all facts.

And much of what you consider facts are actually just the interpretation of facts. That's pretty common. People, in general, have difficulty determining the difference between the facts and the story. It's not a life skill that we teach and learn.

Well which is it, does my opinion come from a few facts or just things I am confusing as facts? You don't even know how to prosecute my argument coherently. That's pretty common. People in general have difficulty determining the difference between analyzing an argument and attacking it because they feel a suspected murderer is "a good guy". It's not a life skill that we teach and learn, clearly.

I said you were doing both.

So, to summarize, my opinion comes from facts AND it comes just from things I am confusing as facts. That is one hell of an argument, accusing me of possessing Schroedinger's facts/not facts and all. Between that stunningly dumb statement of yours and the assertion that Dorner is a good guy there is no  way you can be serious. Nice trolling, many bites.


Oh ffs. Are you normally this dense or is it when you're trying to white knight a cause online?

I'm saying you're not making an informed opinion because your information largely consists of partial facts and partial interpretation of facts. Further - you don't have the tools to be aware what evidence you're not privy to.

As a result what you think of as being informed isn't.
 
2013-02-10 11:05:24 AM  
doglover:

Washington D.C.

D. C.

What the hell do you think DC stands for?


So it's the Pacific Ocean between Tokyo and the shores of DC?  Gotcha, my bad.
 
2013-02-10 11:05:47 AM  
http://leaksource.wordpress.com/2013/02/07/christopher-dorner-v-lapd-c ase-file/

Reposting from upthread for anyone interested.
 
2013-02-10 11:06:52 AM  
As a long-time lurker, usually anything I'd have to contribute to a thread gets said by someone else, hence I saw no reason to get involved before now just to post "THIS" all the time.

I've not yet seen this though, and it's what comes to mind first when this news story comes up:

cdn.ebaumsworld.com

"Ever notice how you come across somebody once in a while you shouldn't have farked with? That's me Dorner".
 
2013-02-10 11:13:15 AM  

MNguy: So it's the Pacific Ocean between Tokyo and the shores of DC? Gotcha, my bad.


District of Columbia.

Amerigo Vespucci just drew a map, the Italian coont that was.

Christopher Columbus established trade and colonies and even became the first European dictator in the Americas.

For the longest time, the USA was also referred to as Columbia. It's not my fault the Bolivians had the good taste to steal a great name for two fine continents. It's a nice name. I use it when I'm drunk because I never liked the idea that some cartographer gets all the glory while Columbus risked his ass.
 
2013-02-10 11:17:08 AM  

doglover: MNguy: So it's the Pacific Ocean between Tokyo and the shores of DC? Gotcha, my bad.

District of Columbia.

Amerigo Vespucci just drew a map, the Italian coont that was.

Christopher Columbus established trade and colonies and even became the first European dictator in the Americas.

For the longest time, the USA was also referred to as Columbia. It's not my fault the Bolivians had the good taste to steal a great name for two fine continents. It's a nice name. I use it when I'm drunk because I never liked the idea that some cartographer gets all the glory while Columbus risked his ass.


The country, Colombia, even willfully mis-spells the great man's name.  For shame.
 
2013-02-10 11:20:52 AM  

MNguy: The country, Colombia, even willfully mis-spells the great man's name.


Nah. His name in Spanish is Colon with an accent over the second o which I can't type.
 
2013-02-10 11:22:58 AM  

doglover: MNguy: The country, Colombia, even willfully mis-spells the great man's name.

Nah. His name in Spanish is Colon with an accent over the second o which I can't type.


So who changed his name to Columbus?  I bet it was that biatch Isabella.
 
2013-02-10 11:24:14 AM  
The LAPD needs to be taken off this case, police chief resassigned, governor sends in the national guard or something. The cops are scared, out of control, they've shot at three totally innocent civilians.

Obama -- IT IS TIME FOR A BEER SUMMIT.
 
2013-02-10 11:26:37 AM  

MNguy: So who changed his name to Columbus?



I dunno... the Jews?
 
2013-02-10 11:26:38 AM  
timemilitary.files.wordpress.com
He was just two weeks away from retirement.

/Two weeks!
 
2013-02-10 11:26:47 AM  

Alonjar: racism

American hero

Hermione_Granger:  Aiyanna Jones Treyvon Martin  Oscar Grant

farked.



I realize that it is more than likely that both of you are trolls, but on the odd chance that you aren't, would your opinion of Dorner change at all if you knew that he is as of this writing the only suspect in the murders of a black man and and Asian-American woman?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/06/christopher-dorner-lapd-off ic er_n_2635783.html
 
2013-02-10 11:30:58 AM  
I can't believe the NRA isn't all over this story: regardless of which side you believe, what a perfect story against gun control!

If you believe Dorner,  you should have a legal right to defend yourself against a corrupt police force and the government that is too corrupt to fix it.
If you believe the LAPD, you should have the legal right to defend yourself against a highly trained, armed and crazed ex-soldier/policeman.

If you still believe in gun control, you still have your right to be a pussy, stick your head in the sand , and hope that your precious govt/police give two shiats about your anonymous ass or your family - I hope that works out for you.
 
2013-02-10 11:31:15 AM  

Nina Haagen Dazs: Interesting.  http://leaksource.wordpress.com/2013/02/07/christopher-dorner-v-lapd- c ase-file/


That's hilarious:

"There were no boot marks on Gettler's face or shirt and no bruising on his face. When Gettler was taken to the police station, he did not tell the watch commander or a physician, who treated his facial injuries, that he was kicked in the face."

'He didn't get kicked in the face- he had no injuries to the face... but, as we treating his facial injuries (of which he had none!), he never mentioned getting any facial injuries.'

/oh, BTW, bruises take time to show up
//and a kick with the point of a shoe won't leave a shoeprint
 
2013-02-10 11:35:49 AM  

styckx:
This guy is doing a hell of a job of making them look retarded.


"We don't need his help to look retarded"
- LAPD spokesman


/not really, but I wouldn't be very surprised
 
2013-02-10 11:36:18 AM  

tirob: Alonjar: racism
American hero

Hermione_Granger:  Aiyanna Jones Treyvon Martin  Oscar Grant

farked.


I realize that it is more than likely that both of you are trolls, but on the odd chance that you aren't, would your opinion of Dorner change at all if you knew that he is as of this writing the only suspect in the murders of a black man and and Asian-American woman?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/06/christopher-dorner-lapd-off ic er_n_2635783.html




Not really.. race isnt a major factor here. This is about the thin blue line.
 
2013-02-10 11:39:13 AM  

doglover: "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" I believe is the saying.


"Eye for an eye" does not "leave the whole world blind". It leaves the victims and the criminals blind. (And the victims would be blind no matter how/if the criminals were punished.) The rest of us can see quite well.
 
2013-02-10 11:40:27 AM  

generallyso: Meanwhile the police shooting up random civilians have gotten away scott free.


As a great man once said "I'm the only one in this room professional enough, that I know of, to carry this Glock 40."
 
2013-02-10 11:48:43 AM  

fredklein: Nina Haagen Dazs: Interesting.  http://leaksource.wordpress.com/2013/02/07/christopher-dorner-v-lapd- c ase-file/

That's hilarious:

"There were no boot marks on Gettler's face or shirt and no bruising on his face. When Gettler was taken to the police station, he did not tell the watch commander or a physician, who treated his facial injuries, that he was kicked in the face."

'He didn't get kicked in the face- he had no injuries to the face... but, as we treating his facial injuries (of which he had none!), he never mentioned getting any facial injuries.'

/oh, BTW, bruises take time to show up
//and a kick with the point of a shoe won't leave a shoeprint


haha.
 
2013-02-10 11:55:40 AM  

Triumph: You think the writer is really named "Randy Economy?" What a bizarre pen name.


The byline on an article I just read a few minutes ago on this subject from a major news outlet was "Michael R. Blood".
 
2013-02-10 11:55:44 AM  

naptapper: Another wackjob liberal going off the deep end.


latimesblogs.latimes.com

Yeah, those wacky liberals.
Every time I see this meme, I'll just post this picture.

Guns shoot bullets, this is the problem.
Liberals, conservatives, citizens and police must solve this problem.
All together.
 
2013-02-10 11:57:16 AM  

jakomo002: optikeye: and for good reason since they attacked without warning truck delivering news papers, driven by two women an opened fire on it...with no warning

It's pretty telling that the cops just opened fire on the vehicle without warning.

U.S. Law enforcement wants this guy dead. No trial. No arrest.

I'd be incredibly surprised if Dorner is captured and arrested and faces trial.


According to his manifesto he's clear that he isn't worried about surviving to face trial.
 
2013-02-10 11:58:04 AM  
Meanwhile, the cops are on edge. Unholstered weapons at checkpoints? They've gone apeshiat at Big Bear.
director-lang-metro.medianewsgroup.com
 
2013-02-10 11:59:33 AM  
Full on ninjas too
director-lang-ieng.medianewsgroup.com
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-10 12:02:17 PM  

dr_blasto: Full on ninjas too
[director-lang-ieng.medianewsgroup.com image 742x540]


Wait! It snows in California?

/ i keed
//Donner party, your table is ready.
 
2013-02-10 12:05:43 PM  
That dude is dead, either from exposure or because he's already shot himself.

His Navy Reserve job was basically a glorified security guard. The sort of training he would have received in the military would have absolutely no effect on his being prepared to go all Rambo in the snowy mountains. He's dead.
 
2013-02-10 12:06:46 PM  
Normally I'd feel the need to post and make fun of all the idiots, but Bontesla is doing a bang up job.

/total e-crush.
 
2013-02-10 12:10:49 PM  
The best possible outcome of this would be the capture of Dorner with no more bloodshed, a fair trial, and a complete reassessment and restructure of of LAPD's officer misconduct review policies and the establishment of a civilian review board with teeth. LAPD and the city of Los Angeles  (and our entire nation) needs this shakeup for its own good.The LAPD has a long-term malignancy that needs to be excised for the good of the city of Los Angeles. No more "thin blue line".

If policies change for the better, Dorner may have in the end, saved more lives than he has taken. Allegedly.

/I hear Cal Worthington's is having a sale on used blue/grey Japanese pickups.
//go see Cal, go see Cal, go see Cal
///come on down!
 
2013-02-10 12:13:14 PM  
Interesting phenomenon in this thread: Cop haters whiteknighting....a cop.
 
2013-02-10 12:19:59 PM  

Girion47: Normally I'd feel the need to post and make fun of all the idiots, but Bontesla is doing a bang up job.

/total e-crush.


I know. Intelligence is a turn-on for me too.
 
2013-02-10 12:21:59 PM  
If I were LL Cool J, I wouldn't be going outside until this knuckle head is caught.

static.tvguide.com
 
2013-02-10 12:29:48 PM  

Bontesla: We have damning evidence of corruption?


See, you're under the impression that despite the fact that I have given you detailed explanation of what you're doing here, that I'm going to play this game with you.  This is Fark.  I'm sure you'll find 3 or 4 people willing to exhaustively show you things you could easily look up for yourself.
 
2013-02-10 12:31:58 PM  

Alonjar: tirob: Alonjar: racism
American hero

Hermione_Granger:  Aiyanna Jones Treyvon Martin  Oscar Grant

farked.


I realize that it is more than likely that both of you are trolls, but on the odd chance that you aren't, would your opinion of Dorner change at all if you knew that he is as of this writing the only suspect in the murders of a black man and and Asian-American woman?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/02/06/christopher-dorner-lapd-off ic er_n_2635783.html

Not really.. race isnt a major factor here. This is about the thin blue line.


OK, then, a hypothetical:  Same two victims, same set of facts except that the only suspect is a white ex-cop who was dismissed from the force, and who left behind a manifesto excoriating Asians and blacks for "anti-white racism."  Would such a suspect have your sympathy as well?
 
2013-02-10 12:45:11 PM  

mbillips: That dude is dead, either from exposure or because he's already shot himself.

His Navy Reserve job was basically a glorified security guard. The sort of training he would have received in the military would have absolutely no effect on his being prepared to go all Rambo in the snowy mountains. He's dead.


Isn't he in Big Bear? It's a ski resort.
 
2013-02-10 12:51:11 PM  

tirob: OK, then, a hypothetical:  Same two victims, same set of facts except that the only suspect is a white ex-cop who was dismissed from the force, and who left behind a manifesto excoriating Asians and blacks for "anti-white racism."  Would such a suspect have your sympathy as well?


Does this hypothetical situation also include an alternative universe where the LAPD regularly abused a caucasian underclass while blacks held a near monopoly on political and economic influence? How far down the rabbit hole do we need to travel before your question isn't False Equivalence?
 
2013-02-10 12:53:50 PM  

dr_blasto: Meanwhile, the cops are on edge. Unholstered weapons at checkpoints? They've gone apeshiat at Big Bear.
[director-lang-metro.medianewsgroup.com image 743x540]


Thats farking scary dude.

If more uninvolved people havent been killed by police during this manhunt, they will be as it goes on.  And dont call the cops out on it to their face, they will fark your life.
 
2013-02-10 12:53:52 PM  

mbillips: That dude is dead, either from exposure or because he's already shot himself.

His Navy Reserve job was basically a glorified security guard. The sort of training he would have received in the military would have absolutely no effect on his being prepared to go all Rambo in the snowy mountains. He's dead.


Nah. Read his manifesto. He thinks WAY too highly of himself to commit suicide. (What type of person threatens a killing spree in one paragraph and then writes about his favorite comedians in the next? Someone who thinks ALL of his opinions are headline news worthy.)

Ten bucks says he is crashing on a friend's couch. He has an accomplice out there. He isn't a lone wolf.
 
2013-02-10 12:59:38 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: The best possible outcome of this would be the capture of Dorner with no more bloodshed


I'd guess that the chances of this happening are minimal.  Dorner is the only suspect in the murders of a Riverside, CA cop and the daughter of an ex LAPD captain.  He's not only armed, he's had extensive training in the use of guns.  If the cops find him alive, they'll shoot first and ask questions later.
 
2013-02-10 01:00:08 PM  
In their paranoia, the cops are searching trucks. Forcing the driver to open the thing at gunpoint. Apparently the cops can do whatever they want without repercussion.
l2.yimg.com
 
2013-02-10 01:03:35 PM  

dr_blasto: In their paranoia, the cops are searching trucks. Forcing the driver to open the thing at gunpoint. Apparently the cops can do whatever they want without repercussion.
[l2.yimg.com image 512x324]


If a cop was going to do that to me, I'd tell him to open it himself.  fark you if you think I'm trusting you to aim a gun by my head.
 
2013-02-10 01:05:22 PM  

orclover: dr_blasto: Meanwhile, the cops are on edge. Unholstered weapons at checkpoints? They've gone apeshiat at Big Bear.
[director-lang-metro.medianewsgroup.com image 743x540]

Thats farking scary dude.

If more uninvolved people havent been killed by police during this manhunt, they will be as it goes on.  And dont call the cops out on it to their face, they will fark your life.


Bad behavior from the people who are supposed to be trained and professional. The response by these people to Dorner is a bigger threat to public safety than their target. The Tacoma they shot up? Read the rest of the story, they shot the whole neighborhood up. Bullets all over the place.
 
2013-02-10 01:06:22 PM  

dr_blasto: In their paranoia, the cops are searching trucks. Forcing the driver to open the thing at gunpoint. Apparently the cops can do whatever they want without repercussion.
[l2.yimg.com image 512x324]


Son, that's a good way to get yourself shot.
 
2013-02-10 01:07:15 PM  

amquelbettamin: Nice MySpace angle dood.

[cdn.ebaumsworld.com image 250x333]


she's german right?
 
2013-02-10 01:07:27 PM  

BraveNewCheneyWorld: dr_blasto: In their paranoia, the cops are searching trucks. Forcing the driver to open the thing at gunpoint. Apparently the cops can do whatever they want without repercussion.
[l2.yimg.com image 512x324]

If a cop was going to do that to me, I'd tell him to open it himself.  fark you if you think I'm trusting you to aim a gun by my head.


No shiat, tell the farker to get his partner to do that. Unless he's already drawn and pointing at you, in that case you're farked either way.
 
2013-02-10 01:14:09 PM  
Why is everyone making this dude out to be Jason Borne, Rambo and Dirty Harry all rolled into one?  He had a couple of years on a mediocre metropolitan police department and was on a security detail in the Navy Reserves.

I'll bet most of the guys I shoot IDPA with are more highly trained than this clown.
 
2013-02-10 01:16:31 PM  

Hickory-smoked: tirob: OK, then, a hypothetical:  Same two victims, same set of facts except that the only suspect is a white ex-cop who was dismissed from the force, and who left behind a manifesto excoriating Asians and blacks for "anti-white racism."  Would such a suspect have your sympathy as well?

Does this hypothetical situation also include an alternative universe where the LAPD regularly abused a caucasian underclass while blacks held a near monopoly on political and economic influence? How far down the rabbit hole do we need to travel before your question isn't False Equivalence?


About three meters?

All right then, no, my hypothetical question doesn't include the alternative universe you describe.  Do you sympathize with my hypothetical suspect sympathetic anyway?  Do you sympathize with Dorner, knowing that he is the only suspect in the murders of a black man and and Asian-American woman, given the existence of what you appear to believe is a near monopoly by whites on political and economic influence, and what you refer to as the regular abuse of a black underclass by the LAPD?
 
2013-02-10 01:20:17 PM  

dr_blasto: In their paranoia, the cops are searching trucks. Forcing the driver to open the thing at gunpoint. Apparently the cops can do whatever they want without repercussion.
[l2.yimg.com image 512x324]


yeah fark that.  I've seen their accuracy, no way in hell do I want to be downrange from a cop.  Not to mention they don't have a right to search my vehicle without a warrant.
 
2013-02-10 01:22:57 PM  
Girion47:
yeah fark that.  I've seen their accuracy, no way in hell do I want to be downrange from a cop.  Not to mention they don't have a right to search my vehicle without a warrant.

Exactly THIS.
 
2013-02-10 01:26:10 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: The best possible outcome of this would be the capture of Dorner with no more bloodshed, a fair trial, and a complete reassessment and restructure of of LAPD's officer misconduct review policies and the establishment of a civilian review board with teeth. LAPD and the city of Los Angeles  (and our entire nation) needs this shakeup for its own good.The LAPD has a long-term malignancy that needs to be excised for the good of the city of Los Angeles. No more "thin blue line".

<b>If policies change for the better, Dorner may have in the end, saved more lives than he has taken. Allegedly.</b>

/I hear Cal Worthington's is having a sale on used blue/grey Japanese pickups.
//go see Cal, go see Cal, go see Cal
///come on down!


That is far and away the dumbest and most inhumane thing I have read here regarding this narcissistic prick. Excellent job dirtying the lives and deaths of the two people Dorner murdered.
 
2013-02-10 01:28:37 PM  

tshauk: Girion47:
yeah fark that.  I've seen their accuracy, no way in hell do I want to be downrange from a cop.  Not to mention they don't have a right to search my vehicle without a warrant.

Exactly THIS.


They actually can search your vehicle without a warrant, if they pull you over.  They can definitely search you car and person on private property, such as a ski resort, if the proprietors have given them permission.  Same goes for home and apartment rentals, as well as hotel rooms.  It's your house that they can't search without a warrant (and even then, they can come in if a suspect just went inside.  I'm not saying it's right, just that it's true.
 
2013-02-10 01:29:00 PM  

dr_blasto: BraveNewCheneyWorld: dr_blasto: In their paranoia, the cops are searching trucks. Forcing the driver to open the thing at gunpoint. Apparently the cops can do whatever they want without repercussion.
[l2.yimg.com image 512x324]

If a cop was going to do that to me, I'd tell him to open it himself.  fark you if you think I'm trusting you to aim a gun by my head.

No shiat, tell the farker to get his partner to do that. Unless he's already drawn and pointing at you, in that case you're farked either way.


I'd tell him to get it over with and shoot me. We're doomed anyways.
 
2013-02-10 01:29:02 PM  

MahicanDream: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: The best possible outcome of this would be the capture of Dorner with no more bloodshed, a fair trial, and a complete reassessment and restructure of of LAPD's officer misconduct review policies and the establishment of a civilian review board with teeth. LAPD and the city of Los Angeles  (and our entire nation) needs this shakeup for its own good.The LAPD has a long-term malignancy that needs to be excised for the good of the city of Los Angeles. No more "thin blue line".

<b>If policies change for the better, Dorner may have in the end, saved more lives than he has taken. Allegedly.</b>

/I hear Cal Worthington's is having a sale on used blue/grey Japanese pickups.
//go see Cal, go see Cal, go see Cal
///come on down!

That is far and away the dumbest and most inhumane thing I have read here regarding this narcissistic prick. Excellent job dirtying the lives and deaths of the two people Dorner murdered.


Who has he murdered?  Because from what I have read, no evidence has been found at the scene of the crime that links Dorner to the murder's he's being held responsible for.  All that exists is circumstantial speculation based on what he wrote in his "manifesto"
 
2013-02-10 01:31:06 PM  

thamike: tshauk: Girion47:
yeah fark that.  I've seen their accuracy, no way in hell do I want to be downrange from a cop.  Not to mention they don't have a right to search my vehicle without a warrant.

Exactly THIS.

They actually can search your vehicle without a warrant, if they pull you over.  They can definitely search you car and person on private property, such as a ski resort, if the proprietors have given them permission.  Same goes for home and apartment rentals, as well as hotel rooms.  It's your house that they can't search without a warrant (and even then, they can come in if a suspect just went inside.  I'm not saying it's right, just that it's true.


Not really

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/30328976/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/jus ti ces-limit-car-searches-without-warrant/
 
2013-02-10 01:32:00 PM  

MahicanDream: That is far and away the dumbest and most inhumane thing I have read here regarding this narcissistic prick. Excellent job dirtying the lives and deaths of the two people Dorner murdered.


The guy killed 3 people, but the LAPD is doing their best to lose the PR battle in this, as usual.  They've already fired far more rounds at innocent people with zero provocation.
 
2013-02-10 01:35:41 PM  

dr_blasto: In their paranoia, the cops are searching trucks. Forcing the driver to open the thing at gunpoint. Apparently the cops can do whatever they want without repercussion.
[l2.yimg.com image 512x324]


Why wouldn't they search trucks? You think Donner is going to stick with one type of vehicle? And they aren't pointing it at the driver. They are pointing it at the opening so that if Donner is in there they have him covered. You think Donner is going to toss up his hands and say, "Well, you got me. Hide and Seek is over" if they find him in a vehicle? What gives you any clue that he would do that?
 
2013-02-10 01:37:37 PM  

mekki: dr_blasto: In their paranoia, the cops are searching trucks. Forcing the driver to open the thing at gunpoint. Apparently the cops can do whatever they want without repercussion.
[l2.yimg.com image 512x324]

Why wouldn't they search trucks? You think Donner is going to stick with one type of vehicle? And they aren't pointing it at the driver. They are pointing it at the opening so that if Donner is in there they have him covered. You think Donner is going to toss up his hands and say, "Well, you got me. Hide and Seek is over" if they find him in a vehicle? What gives you any clue that he would do that?


With a spread like this, would you want to be anywhere near where they're aiming?

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-10 01:38:38 PM  

Girion47: Who has he murdered? Because from what I have read, no evidence has been found at the scene of the crime that links Dorner to the murder's he's being held responsible for. All that exists is circumstantial speculation based on what he wrote in his "manifesto"


He has motive. And in his "manifesto" he confessed to targeting Quan and his family, and any of the subsequent targets he named.  He also said that he didn't intend to live through this, but he felt the killings would clear his name.  That is why he is the primary suspect.  Then there are several witness accounts involving the first traffic stop met with armed response, and then the ambush. That is not circumstantial evidence, let alone speculation.  That's corroborating evidence. It would be a stretch to suspect anybody else at this point.
 
2013-02-10 01:40:37 PM  

Girion47: Not really


I'm aware of that, and am glad that reforms are being implemented,  but it really doesn't negate what I said.
 
2013-02-10 01:41:44 PM  

Girion47: MahicanDream: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: The best possible outcome of this would be the capture of Dorner with no more bloodshed, a fair trial, and a complete reassessment and restructure of of LAPD's officer misconduct review policies and the establishment of a civilian review board with teeth. LAPD and the city of Los Angeles  (and our entire nation) needs this shakeup for its own good.The LAPD has a long-term malignancy that needs to be excised for the good of the city of Los Angeles. No more "thin blue line".

<b>If policies change for the better, Dorner may have in the end, saved more lives than he has taken. Allegedly.</b>

/I hear Cal Worthington's is having a sale on used blue/grey Japanese pickups.
//go see Cal, go see Cal, go see Cal
///come on down!

That is far and away the dumbest and most inhumane thing I have read here regarding this narcissistic prick. Excellent job dirtying the lives and deaths of the two people Dorner murdered.

Who has he murdered?  Because from what I have read, no evidence has been found at the scene of the crime that links Dorner to the murder's he's being held responsible for.  All that exists is circumstantial speculation based on what he wrote in his "manifesto"


OK CSI:Fark, go on believing that the guy who wrote that because he never had a family he is terminating yours, along with the threat of asymetrical warfare upon the LAPD and their families, had nothing to do with the murders. Just realize you can be like the others here, defending him or lionizing him or both, but when he is found dead in the mountains the rest of us won't shed a tear for that murderer. If you want to exchange humanity for a conspiracy theory go ahead, you are in the right place for that it seems.
 
2013-02-10 01:44:05 PM  

MahicanDream: Girion47: MahicanDream: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: The best possible outcome of this would be the capture of Dorner with no more bloodshed, a fair trial, and a complete reassessment and restructure of of LAPD's officer misconduct review policies and the establishment of a civilian review board with teeth. LAPD and the city of Los Angeles  (and our entire nation) needs this shakeup for its own good.The LAPD has a long-term malignancy that needs to be excised for the good of the city of Los Angeles. No more "thin blue line".

<b>If policies change for the better, Dorner may have in the end, saved more lives than he has taken. Allegedly.</b>

/I hear Cal Worthington's is having a sale on used blue/grey Japanese pickups.
//go see Cal, go see Cal, go see Cal
///come on down!

That is far and away the dumbest and most inhumane thing I have read here regarding this narcissistic prick. Excellent job dirtying the lives and deaths of the two people Dorner murdered.

Who has he murdered?  Because from what I have read, no evidence has been found at the scene of the crime that links Dorner to the murder's he's being held responsible for.  All that exists is circumstantial speculation based on what he wrote in his "manifesto"

OK CSI:Fark, go on believing that the guy who wrote that because he never had a family he is terminating yours, along with the threat of asymetrical warfare upon the LAPD and their families, had nothing to do with the murders. Just realize you can be like the others here, defending him or lionizing him or both, but when he is found dead in the mountains the rest of us won't shed a tear for that murderer. If you want to exchange humanity for a conspiracy theory go ahead, you are in the right place for that it seems.


I just find it incredibly sad that fellow US citizens are so ready to throw out due process with this guy.  He's been convicted in your mind and you don't even want to wait for an appointed judge to hand him a proper sentence, just a bullet from some fatass bully that has a shiny piece of metal on his shirt.
 
2013-02-10 01:45:47 PM  

MahicanDream: Girion47: MahicanDream: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: The best possible outcome of this would be the capture of Dorner with no more bloodshed, a fair trial, and a complete reassessment and restructure of of LAPD's officer misconduct review policies and the establishment of a civilian review board with teeth. LAPD and the city of Los Angeles  (and our entire nation) needs this shakeup for its own good.The LAPD has a long-term malignancy that needs to be excised for the good of the city of Los Angeles. No more "thin blue line".

<b>If policies change for the better, Dorner may have in the end, saved more lives than he has taken. Allegedly.</b>

/I hear Cal Worthington's is having a sale on used blue/grey Japanese pickups.
//go see Cal, go see Cal, go see Cal
///come on down!

That is far and away the dumbest and most inhumane thing I have read here regarding this narcissistic prick. Excellent job dirtying the lives and deaths of the two people Dorner murdered.

Who has he murdered?  Because from what I have read, no evidence has been found at the scene of the crime that links Dorner to the murder's he's being held responsible for.  All that exists is circumstantial speculation based on what he wrote in his "manifesto"

OK CSI:Fark, go on believing that the guy who wrote that because he never had a family he is terminating yours, along with the threat of asymetrical warfare upon the LAPD and their families, had nothing to do with the murders. Just realize you can be like the others here, defending him or lionizing him or both, but when he is found dead in the mountains the rest of us won't shed a tear for that murderer. If you want to exchange humanity for a conspiracy theory go ahead, you are in the right place for that it seems.


Despite the fact that he is probably a murderer and his solution in his manifesto is, well, crazy - there are some highly salient points made which are amplified given LAPD's reaction and how they have conducted themselves so far. Obviously, we should be focused on apprehending him and stopping any future bloodshed, but the corruption and incompetency needs to be addressed sooner rather than later.
 
2013-02-10 01:52:13 PM  

Kit Fister: And we should feel nothing about the LAPD shooting up innocent civilians, doing far more damage than Dorner has done?

If the guy is guilty, prove it in a court of law. Give us evidence that clearly shows he's guilty.


Again, there is not a critical mass of outrage. I can absolutely despise Dorner AND despise the LAPD, which I do.

He is afforded due process in a court of law, not a court of public opinion. Until he is held accountable in a court of law I will reaffirm my position that he murdered three people.
 
2013-02-10 01:52:24 PM  

Kit Fister: And we should feel nothing about the LAPD shooting up innocent civilians, doing far more damage than Dorner has done?


I'm still wondering how Dorner being a viable primary suspect, and the LAPD repeatedly f*cking up are mutually exclusive, opposing viewpoints.
 
2013-02-10 01:52:57 PM  

mekki: dr_blasto: In their paranoia, the cops are searching trucks. Forcing the driver to open the thing at gunpoint. Apparently the cops can do whatever they want without repercussion.
[l2.yimg.com image 512x324]

Why wouldn't they search trucks? You think Donner is going to stick with one type of vehicle? And they aren't pointing it at the driver. They are pointing it at the opening so that if Donner is in there they have him covered. You think Donner is going to toss up his hands and say, "Well, you got me. Hide and Seek is over" if they find him in a vehicle? What gives you any clue that he would do that?


He's downrange of the pistol. The cop is threatening him, even if he isn't intending to. This is improper.

Of course, they're all well-trained professionals and given how well they handled staying on target while shooting those newspaper people, well:
director-lang-metro.medianewsgroup.com
 
2013-02-10 01:55:12 PM  

JustFarkinAround: I can't believe the NRA isn't all over this story: regardless of which side you believe, what a perfect story against gun control!

If you believe Dorner,  you should have a legal right to defend yourself against a corrupt police force and the government that is too corrupt to fix it.
If you believe the LAPD, you should have the legal right to defend yourself against a highly trained, armed and crazed ex-soldier/policeman.

If you still believe in gun control, you still have your right to be a pussy, stick your head in the sand , and hope that your precious govt/police give two shiats about your anonymous ass or your family - I hope that works out for you.


And if you believe that two elderly Hispanic women in a blue Toyota Tacoma are similar enough to a middle aged black man in a grey Nissan Titan to justify unloading your weapons at them, you should be really happy!
 
2013-02-10 01:55:16 PM  
Kit Fister:
Again, no evidence has been found positively linking the deaths with Dorner. Circumstantial evidence based on his manifesto is all they have to even begin to hold him accountable.

Remember that thing about Innocent until Proven Guilty? How about the pesky requirement of proof beyond a reasonable doubt?  The LAPD cannot just say the guy's guilty. They have to PROVE it in a court of law. So far, no evidence has been found to get anywhere near there.

The more I read about the whole thing, the more it smells like the guy threatened the wrong people, and they used him as a scape goat to clear a couple murders and at the same time kill or shut up a guy who is planning to blow the whistle on some shady shiat that would make the LAPD look REALLY bad.

Then again, there's not much out there that the LAPD does that would make them look GOOD.


*I* can believe he's guilty of whatever I want, and will, based on what has been presented in the press so far.  That whole "innocent until proven guilty" bit refers to the government, and whether he can be sentenced, not the court of public opinion.  This is why everyone believes OJ is guilty, but he wasn't in prison until he farked up again.

But by your logic, they're using him to clear a few of murders of FAMILY OF THE LAPD.  Aren't those the kinds of murders they, you know, actually want to solve?
 
2013-02-10 02:03:17 PM  
This one has that birdhouse covered:
director-lang-metro.medianewsgroup.com
 
2013-02-10 02:07:33 PM  

mekki: dr_blasto: In their paranoia, the cops are searching trucks. Forcing the driver to open the thing at gunpoint. Apparently the cops can do whatever they want without repercussion.
[l2.yimg.com image 512x324]

Why wouldn't they search trucks? You think Donner is going to stick with one type of vehicle? And they aren't pointing it at the driver. They are pointing it at the opening so that if Donner is in there they have him covered. You think Donner is going to toss up his hands and say, "Well, you got me. Hide and Seek is over" if they find him in a vehicle? What gives you any clue that he would do that?


Rational decisions made by the LAPD that should lead you to trust one of them while his pistol is pointed in your direction:
i1099.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-10 02:07:51 PM  
TTL/DNR...

But I came to say that a Black man in Irvine stands out like, well, a Black man in Irvine.

Police there are used to harassing anything a shade darker than a tanning-bed-addicted soccer mom.  Not at all surprised they were able to somehow find random surveillance footage of him in town.

/my wife spent her teen years there
//she's attractive & successful
 
2013-02-10 02:08:29 PM  

mekki: dr_blasto: In their paranoia, the cops are searching trucks. Forcing the driver to open the thing at gunpoint. Apparently the cops can do whatever they want without repercussion.
[l2.yimg.com image 512x324]

Why wouldn't they search trucks? You think Donner is going to stick with one type of vehicle? And they aren't pointing it at the driver. They are pointing it at the opening so that if Donner is in there they have him covered. You think Donner is going to toss up his hands and say, "Well, you got me. Hide and Seek is over" if they find him in a vehicle? What gives you any clue that he would do that?


Not twitchy at all:
i1099.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-10 02:12:08 PM  

Kit Fister: SubBass49: TTL/DNR...

But I came to say that a Black man in Irvine stands out like, well, a Black man in Irvine.

Police there are used to harassing anything a shade darker than a tanning-bed-addicted soccer mom.  Not at all surprised they were able to somehow find random surveillance footage of him in town.

/my wife spent her teen years there
//she's attractive & successful

So how'd she end up with you?  ;)


Pure luck on my part...lol
 
2013-02-10 02:14:03 PM  

chupathingie: Alonjar: He is a good man pushed too far... and he is prepared to give his life, so that you may live yours in freedom and liberty.

He is an American Hero.

What an utter crock of horseshiat. He targets innocent relatives of those he holds a grudge against.

/you're a moron.


So far all he's killed are cops.
 
2013-02-10 02:14:38 PM  

mekki: Why wouldn't they search trucks? You think Donner is going to stick with one type of vehicle? And they aren't pointing it at the driver. They are pointing it at the opening so that if Donner is in there they have him covered. You think Donner is going to toss up his hands and say, "Well, you got me. Hide and Seek is over" if they find him in a vehicle? What gives you any clue that he would do that?


LA is not Baghdad, and the LAPD are not Blackwater.  There are rules here.  You cannot just start shooting up civilian vehicles because they kind of sort of look similar to the one you're looking for.  I'm not a cop, but I would hope that the investigative standards in the LAPD are advanced enough that cops can distinguish between two Hispanic women and a black man.
 
2013-02-10 02:18:08 PM  

MahicanDream: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: The best possible outcome of this would be the capture of Dorner with no more bloodshed, a fair trial, and a complete reassessment and restructure of of LAPD's officer misconduct review policies and the establishment of a civilian review board with teeth. LAPD and the city of Los Angeles  (and our entire nation) needs this shakeup for its own good.The LAPD has a long-term malignancy that needs to be excised for the good of the city of Los Angeles. No more "thin blue line".

<b>If policies change for the better, Dorner may have in the end, saved more lives than he has taken. Allegedly.</b>

/I hear Cal Worthington's is having a sale on used blue/grey Japanese pickups.
//go see Cal, go see Cal, go see Cal
///come on down!

That is far and away the dumbest and most inhumane thing I have read here regarding this narcissistic prick. Excellent job dirtying the lives and deaths of the two people Dorner murdered.


Lol, one of two things happened here: A) you misread my comment, or B) you're trollin'. Please elaborate.

Nothing I said above had anything to do with any of the alleged victims of the fugitive, Christopher Dorner, and I'm not justifying his alleged actions. LAPD is a rogue organization, and has been since the days of Daryl Gates. They are the leaders and catalyst for militarized police forces.

Much like the NYPD, they have declared themselves a national police force with unlimited jurisdiction in the US  and abroad. They need to be put on a short leash by the people.The  last thing we want as citizens is a militarized force policing us, as there is hardly a worse option available. Military are designed for one purpose; to break things and kill people, and ours is particularly good at it.

/I wouldn't let a rabid attack dog babysit my children, would you?
 
2013-02-10 02:20:32 PM  

tirob: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: The best possible outcome of this would be the capture of Dorner with no more bloodshed

I'd guess that the chances of this happening are minimal.  Dorner is the only suspect in the murders of a Riverside, CA cop and the daughter of an ex LAPD captain.  He's not only armed, he's had extensive training in the use of guns.  If the cops find him alive, they'll shoot first and ask questions later.


My expectations also. I hope they surprise me.
 
2013-02-10 02:36:56 PM  
They've cut back on the number in the search party at Bear Mountain to 25. Sounds like they think he's either dead or has moved to a different area.

https://twitter.com/IEBeatriz/status/300660009476452353
 
2013-02-10 02:57:40 PM  
The latest news report has even MORE people-who-look-nothing-like-Dorner being fired on by Our Heroes in Blue. It sounds like the cops simply intend to keep shooting random civilians until they eventually get Dorner by sheer inclusiveness.
 
2013-02-10 02:57:47 PM  
I am not advocating violence, but I might feel a little twinge of trollolol if he takes out the cops that fired on these innocent women.
 
2013-02-10 03:05:21 PM  

UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: They need to be put on a short leash by the people.The last thing we want as citizens is a militarized force policing us, as there is hardly a worse option available.


There is a worse option--armed citizenry heading into gang territory and wiping out everyone, heading east from Western Ave. and just slashing and burning,  trying to take Temple St. and Rampart for good.   But i notice this "armed citizenry" idea that gets kicked around by armchair warriors is almost unanimously against the sort of inept police, and not the gangsters.
 
2013-02-10 03:10:00 PM  

Mentat: JustFarkinAround: I can't believe the NRA isn't all over this story: regardless of which side you believe, what a perfect story against gun control!

If you believe Dorner,  you should have a legal right to defend yourself against a corrupt police force and the government that is too corrupt to fix it.
If you believe the LAPD, you should have the legal right to defend yourself against a highly trained, armed and crazed ex-soldier/policeman.

If you still believe in gun control, you still have your right to be a pussy, stick your head in the sand , and hope that your precious govt/police give two shiats about your anonymous ass or your family - I hope that works out for you.

And if you believe that two elderly Hispanic women in a blue Toyota Tacoma are similar enough to a middle aged black man in a grey Nissan Titan to justify unloading your weapons at them, you should be really happy!


Don't misunderstand my statement - I dont back the LAPD here, and I think their gung-ho 'shoot anything that moves' is abhorrent.  Obviously, there's corruption in the LAPD, but this guy has no reason to kill his "enemy's" children - that's terrorism to kill innocents.  This guy should've contacted the LA Times or Geraldo Rivera and made the talk show circuit as a whistleblower.
 
2013-02-10 03:10:08 PM  

mksmith: The latest news report has even MORE people-who-look-nothing-like-Dorner being fired on by Our Heroes in Blue. It sounds like the cops simply intend to keep shooting random civilians until they eventually get Dorner by sheer inclusiveness.


I am glad cops cannot shoot for shiat...maybe they should be limited to 7 rd mags or  less...much less.  One round in a top pocket?
 
2013-02-10 03:10:45 PM  

generallyso: Meanwhile the police shooting up random civilians have gotten away scott free.


Of COURSE.
 
2013-02-10 03:11:41 PM  

iq_in_binary: chupathingie: Alonjar: He is a good man pushed too far... and he is prepared to give his life, so that you may live yours in freedom and liberty.

He is an American Hero.

What an utter crock of horseshiat. He targets innocent relatives of those he holds a grudge against.

/you're a moron.

So far all he's killed are cops.


You say that as if it justifies murdering people. You're also factually incorrect (in as much as he's the prime suspect):

"Several reports confirm that police are now on the manhunt for former LAPD officer Christopher Jordan Dorner, the man suspected of murdering Cal State Fullerton basketball coach Monica Quan and her fiancé Keith Lawrence on Sunday, Feb. 3."
 
2013-02-10 03:15:03 PM  
i1099.photobucket.com

"These blast points are far too precise to have been made by sandpeople."
 
2013-02-10 03:16:37 PM  

thamike: UNAUTHORIZED FINGER: They need to be put on a short leash by the people.The last thing we want as citizens is a militarized force policing us, as there is hardly a worse option available.

There is a worse option--armed citizenry heading into gang territory and wiping out everyone, heading east from Western Ave. and just slashing and burning,  trying to take Temple St. and Rampart for good.   But i notice this "armed citizenry" idea that gets kicked around by armchair warriors is almost unanimously against the sort of inept police, and not the gangsters.


That'd be AWESOME!

confessionsofacurlymind.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-10 03:17:48 PM  

Kit Fister: Not sure how I see actively hunting down and killing the Gang Bangers and taking back the cities once and for all as a "Bad" thing, per se.


The fact that it's complete fantasy on multiple levels is a start.
 
2013-02-10 03:23:07 PM  

Kit Fister: thamike: There is a worse option--armed citizenry heading into gang territory and wiping out everyone, heading east from Western Ave. and just slashing and burning, trying to take Temple St. and Rampart for good. But i notice this "armed citizenry" idea that gets kicked around by armchair warriors is almost unanimously against the sort of inept police, and not the gangsters.

Not sure how I see actively hunting down and killing the Gang Bangers and taking back the cities once and for all as a "Bad" thing, per se.


Only problem is that it would end up becoming an all-out "race war" instead of what it was intended to be.  Only takes one or two cases of some White guy thinking a Black or Latino teenager is a gang member because of how they're dressed, and filling them full of lead, before the entire thing erupts into racial chaos.

As someone that works in a gang-infested neighborhood, and lives in another, I'm not interested in this at all.
 
2013-02-10 03:35:40 PM  
Kit Fister:
Not sure how I see actively hunting down and killing the Gang Bangers and taking back the cities once and for all as a "Bad" thing, per se.

Kit Fister:
Remember that thing about Innocent until Proven Guilty? How about the pesky requirement of proof beyond a reasonable doubt?  The LAPD cannot just say the guy's guilty. They have to PROVE it in a court of law. So far, no evidence has been found to get anywhere near there.


Pick a side, man.
 
2013-02-10 03:36:00 PM  

dr_blasto: Meanwhile, the cops are on edge. Unholstered weapons at checkpoints? They've gone apeshiat at Big Bear.
[director-lang-metro.medianewsgroup.com image 743x540]


I'm surprised the photographer didn't get a bullet in the eyepiece.
 
2013-02-10 03:37:38 PM  

mbillips: That dude is dead, either from exposure or because he's already shot himself.

His Navy Reserve job was basically a glorified security guard. The sort of training he would have received in the military would have absolutely no effect on his being prepared to go all Rambo in the snowy mountains. He's dead.


...which is exactly what Rambo would have us believe.
 
2013-02-10 03:40:00 PM  

tirob: Hermione


First of all, Dorner is scum. If he truly killed those people, then to hell with him. The sooner they get him the better.

But the shiat he's talking about is real. The police preying on the poor of any color and minorities is no joke. No trolling. Dead serious.

Get Dorner. Period. Then re-evalutate every single man and woman who serves on the LAPD and their service history; any history of complaints, any shoddy police work, any hint of corruption...best case scenarios should be censured, worst cases should be out on their ass.

I was also dead serious about wanting to know if these kinds of killing happen to white folks on the daily. Why would I be trolling about this? Do you somehow feel that white life is less valuable than anyone else? Why would this be a joke.

So far I've only gotten three responses and two of them with links. Damn. That's a higher number than I thought and it is worrisome. Don't you all get it? When we deny justice to even the least of us, then justice slides down the drain for all of us.

It's kind of pathetic that ya'll would think I'm trolling. Seriously. Those murders by the police happened. And black people worry about this kind of thing all the time. Like all the farking time. My question wondering whether white people have this level of fear of the police is valid, because honestly, I don't see it if it does. But it seems like it's open season on all of us.

fark. Just fark.
 
2013-02-10 03:50:44 PM  

Hermione_Granger: tirob: Hermione

But the shiat he's talking about is real. The police preying on the poor of any color and minorities is no joke. No trolling. Dead serious.

It's kind of pathetic that ya'll would think I'm trolling. Seriously. Those murders by the police happened. And black people worry about this kind of thing all the time. Like all the farking time. My question wondering whether white people have this level of fear of the police is valid, because honestly, I don't see it if it does. But it seems like it's open season on all of us.

fark. Just fark.


Black people do indeed worry about this sort of thing, and not without grounds.  Very few of them, however, react to their fears, however well grounded, by going on vindictive shooting rampages.  And fewer still go on vindictive shooting rampages in which most of the victims are *themselves* people of color and minorities while attempting to "justify" their actions by crying "racism!"
 
2013-02-10 03:55:31 PM  

JustFarkinAround: I can't believe the NRA isn't all over this story: regardless of which side you believe, what a perfect story against gun control!

If you believe Dorner,  you should have a legal right to defend yourself against a corrupt police force and the government that is too corrupt to fix it.
If you believe the LAPD, you should have the legal right to defend yourself against a highly trained, armed and crazed ex-soldier/policeman.

If you still believe in gun control, you still have your right to be a pussy, stick your head in the sand , and hope that your precious govt/police give two shiats about your anonymous ass or your family - I hope that works out for you.



I do not believe I could have said this any better.
 
2013-02-10 03:56:37 PM  

Girion47: Normally I'd feel the need to post and make fun of all the idiots, but Bontesla is doing a bang up job.

/total e-crush.


Lol I think we're accidentally working in shifts.
 
2013-02-10 04:08:05 PM  

JustFarkinAround: Mentat: JustFarkinAround: I can't believe the NRA isn't all over this story: regardless of which side you believe, what a perfect story against gun control!

If you believe Dorner,  you should have a legal right to defend yourself against a corrupt police force and the government that is too corrupt to fix it.
If you believe the LAPD, you should have the legal right to defend yourself against a highly trained, armed and crazed ex-soldier/policeman.

If you still believe in gun control, you still have your right to be a pussy, stick your head in the sand , and hope that your precious govt/police give two shiats about your anonymous ass or your family - I hope that works out for you.

And if you believe that two elderly Hispanic women in a blue Toyota Tacoma are similar enough to a middle aged black man in a grey Nissan Titan to justify unloading your weapons at them, you should be really happy!

Don't misunderstand my statement - I dont back the LAPD here, and I think their gung-ho 'shoot anything that moves' is abhorrent.  Obviously, there's corruption in the LAPD, but this guy has no reason to kill his "enemy's" children - that's terrorism to kill innocents.  This guy should've contacted the LA Times or Geraldo Rivera and made the talk show circuit as a whistleblower.


That's not technically how an act is determined to be an act of terrorism.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-10 04:14:11 PM  

SubBass49: Police there are used to harassing anything a shade darker than a tanning-bed-addicted soccer mom.


encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com
/would be a person of interest for certain by THAT standard
//imjustsayin
///3
 
2013-02-10 04:17:56 PM  
I notice all you gun control freaks consistently advocate that guns shall only be in the hands of the military and the police.

That works okay until you consider:  The military and the police are just as susceptible to mental illness as anyone else, and if one of them goes berserk and kills someone, you may want a gun if he comes after you.
 
2013-02-10 04:18:22 PM  

Bontesla: JustFarkinAround: Mentat: JustFarkinAround: I can't believe the NRA isn't all over this story: regardless of which side you believe, what a perfect story against gun control!

If you believe Dorner,  you should have a legal right to defend yourself against a corrupt police force and the government that is too corrupt to fix it.
If you believe the LAPD, you should have the legal right to defend yourself against a highly trained, armed and crazed ex-soldier/policeman.

If you still believe in gun control, you still have your right to be a pussy, stick your head in the sand , and hope that your precious govt/police give two shiats about your anonymous ass or your family - I hope that works out for you.

And if you believe that two elderly Hispanic women in a blue Toyota Tacoma are similar enough to a middle aged black man in a grey Nissan Titan to justify unloading your weapons at them, you should be really happy!

Don't misunderstand my statement - I dont back the LAPD here, and I think their gung-ho 'shoot anything that moves' is abhorrent.  Obviously, there's corruption in the LAPD, but this guy has no reason to kill his "enemy's" children - that's terrorism to kill innocents.  This guy should've contacted the LA Times or Geraldo Rivera and made the talk show circuit as a whistleblower.

That's not technically how an act is determined to be an act of terrorism.


This. Also, totally would sponsor Bontesla for TF.
 
2013-02-10 04:31:48 PM  

Kit Fister: tirob: Hermione_Granger: tirob: Hermione

But the shiat he's talking about is real. The police preying on the poor of any color and minorities is no joke. No trolling. Dead serious.

It's kind of pathetic that ya'll would think I'm trolling. Seriously. Those murders by the police happened. And black people worry about this kind of thing all the time. Like all the farking time. My question wondering whether white people have this level of fear of the police is valid, because honestly, I don't see it if it does. But it seems like it's open season on all of us.

fark. Just fark.

Black people do indeed worry about this sort of thing, and not without grounds.  Very few of them, however, react to their fears, however well grounded, by going on vindictive shooting rampages.  And fewer still go on vindictive shooting rampages in which most of the victims are *themselves* people of color and minorities while attempting to "justify" their actions by crying "racism!"

Maybe if instead of destroying the city, the minority communities targeted LAPD after the Rodney King thing, the LAPD would have gotten its shiat together.


It has never worked like that in the past anywhere in this country.

And I would be careful about talking about minority *communities* destroying anything.  If you look at the Rodney King riots, and the Watts riot 27 years before, and similar ghetto riots elsewhere in the US, you will find that only a small percentage of the people in the communities you talk about actually participated in the riots.
 
2013-02-10 04:36:29 PM  
Now the Drone Wars, begun they have.
Why not just nuke 4 states from orbit?
Should get him.
 
2013-02-10 05:11:40 PM  
I think it's pretty clear that cops are exactly the sort of people that fundies talk about, people that are unable to act or think rationally or in the best interest of society and are motivated purely by fear of consequence, these are unfortunately NOT the same people that are considered criminals, but there is still only one solution get rid of ALL cops, that mean DHS,LAPD, NYPD, TSA, All of them. I predict a 5% rise in crime(overall) as these people revert to there actual nature.
 
2013-02-10 05:18:17 PM  

Bontesla: JustFarkinAround: Mentat: JustFarkinAround: I can't believe the NRA isn't all over this story: regardless of which side you believe, what a perfect story against gun control!

If you believe Dorner,  you should have a legal right to defend yourself against a corrupt police force and the government that is too corrupt to fix it.
If you believe the LAPD, you should have the legal right to defend yourself against a highly trained, armed and crazed ex-soldier/policeman.

If you still believe in gun control, you still have your right to be a pussy, stick your head in the sand , and hope that your precious govt/police give two shiats about your anonymous ass or your family - I hope that works out for you.

And if you believe that two elderly Hispanic women in a blue Toyota Tacoma are similar enough to a middle aged black man in a grey Nissan Titan to justify unloading your weapons at them, you should be really happy!

Don't misunderstand my statement - I dont back the LAPD here, and I think their gung-ho 'shoot anything that moves' is abhorrent.  Obviously, there's corruption in the LAPD, but this guy has no reason to kill his "enemy's" children - that's terrorism to kill innocents.  This guy should've contacted the LA Times or Geraldo Rivera and made the talk show circuit as a whistleblower.

That's not technically how an act is determined to be an act of terrorism.


From M-W:
Terrorism: the systematic use of terror as a means of coercion
Terror: violent or destructive acts (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands <insurrection and revolutionary terror>

Dorner wants people to investigate the LAPD and he commits violence against a group of people (including innocent people) - now, how is this NOT terrorism???
 
2013-02-10 05:26:07 PM  
If this happened in Detroit, the guy would be compared to RoboCop.

BUT it would never happen in Detroit, because there's nobody with any ethics or decency in the entire city government. If there's a good cop (or politician) in Detroit, I'd be completely surprised to meet him or her.
 
2013-02-10 05:57:39 PM  

Enemabag Jones: bullwrinkle
This guy is no different than the Sandy Hook shooter or the Colorado
Theatre shooter, he may have killed innocent people. I think LAPD made the right choice
in firing him after all he may be a murderer.

OK, fine. Then are the police possibly guilty of attempted murder for opening fire on targets when they didn't know who was being shot at?


No but  I would be alright with them getting fired. The women that were shot at will get a big pay day
and will never deliver papers again.
 
2013-02-10 06:38:33 PM  

Kit Fister: Bontesla: JustFarkinAround: Mentat: JustFarkinAround: I can't believe the NRA isn't all over this story: regardless of which side you believe, what a perfect story against gun control!

If you believe Dorner,  you should have a legal right to defend yourself against a corrupt police force and the government that is too corrupt to fix it.
If you believe the LAPD, you should have the legal right to defend yourself against a highly trained, armed and crazed ex-soldier/policeman.

If you still believe in gun control, you still have your right to be a pussy, stick your head in the sand , and hope that your precious govt/police give two shiats about your anonymous ass or your family - I hope that works out for you.

And if you believe that two elderly Hispanic women in a blue Toyota Tacoma are similar enough to a middle aged black man in a grey Nissan Titan to justify unloading your weapons at them, you should be really happy!

Don't misunderstand my statement - I dont back the LAPD here, and I think their gung-ho 'shoot anything that moves' is abhorrent.  Obviously, there's corruption in the LAPD, but this guy has no reason to kill his "enemy's" children - that's terrorism to kill innocents.  This guy should've contacted the LA Times or Geraldo Rivera and made the talk show circuit as a whistleblower.

That's not technically how an act is determined to be an act of terrorism.

This. Also, totally would sponsor Bontesla for TF.


Aww. Thank you for that consideration.
 
2013-02-10 06:51:37 PM  

JustFarkinAround: Bontesla: JustFarkinAround: Mentat: JustFarkinAround: I can't believe the NRA isn't all over this story: regardless of which side you believe, what a perfect story against gun control!

If you believe Dorner,  you should have a legal right to defend yourself against a corrupt police force and the government that is too corrupt to fix it.
If you believe the LAPD, you should have the legal right to defend yourself against a highly trained, armed and crazed ex-soldier/policeman.

If you still believe in gun control, you still have your right to be a pussy, stick your head in the sand , and hope that your precious govt/police give two shiats about your anonymous ass or your family - I hope that works out for you.

And if you believe that two elderly Hispanic women in a blue Toyota Tacoma are similar enough to a middle aged black man in a grey Nissan Titan to justify unloading your weapons at them, you should be really happy!

Don't misunderstand my statement - I dont back the LAPD here, and I think their gung-ho 'shoot anything that moves' is abhorrent.  Obviously, there's corruption in the LAPD, but this guy has no reason to kill his "enemy's" children - that's terrorism to kill innocents.  This guy should've contacted the LA Times or Geraldo Rivera and made the talk show circuit as a whistleblower.

That's not technically how an act is determined to be an act of terrorism.

From M-W:
Terrorism: the systematic use of terror as a means of coercion
Terror: violent or destructive acts (as bombing) committed by groups in order to intimidate a population or government into granting their demands <insurrection and revolutionary terror>

Dorner wants people to investigate the LAPD and he commits violence against a group of people (including innocent people) - now, how is this NOT terrorism???


Terrorism isn't about violence. It's quite possible to successfully commit terrorism without any violence. Terrorism is about creating terror and using terror as leverage in order to achieve or gain something that would otherwise be denied to you.

Acts of terrorism are aimed at large swaths of people or large targets because the goal is to force the government (or people in charge) to give in to their demands. They're also carried out by a group of people that is seen as having less power.

While Dorner may be striking terror into his opponents - his actions aren't creating nationwide terror.
 
2013-02-10 06:55:11 PM  
You know, usually when they release photos of the killers/suspects they have those dead eyes or look totally insane...this guy looked so smiley and nice. It's sad. What a clusterfark.
 
2013-02-10 07:11:42 PM  

raatz01: You know, usually when they release photos of the killers/suspects they have those dead eyes or look totally insane...this guy looked so smiley and nice. It's sad. What a clusterfark.


Well at the time of the pictures he was the picture perfect example of a strong and honest human being who was at peace with his life.
Something happened, which he tried to explain in a 30 page memo.
Now he probably doesn't smile any more.
 
2013-02-10 07:35:09 PM  

tirob: Hermione


I think I'm gonna have you google "fallacy flip" in regards to Racism 101 on that last bit.

Geesh.
 
2013-02-10 07:53:28 PM  

thamike: Kit Fister: Not sure how I see actively hunting down and killing the Gang Bangers and taking back the cities once and for all as a "Bad" thing, per se.

The fact that it's complete fantasy on multiple levels is a start.


Do they not think the gang members would be armed? Probably better than they are? And that they know their own territory a lot better? I would expect a massacre of civilians, and I can't say they wouldn't deserve it, based solely on stupidity.
 
2013-02-10 08:04:50 PM  

Hermione_Granger: tirob: Hermione

I think I'm gonna have you google "fallacy flip" in regards to Racism 101 on that last bit.

Geesh.



I did as you asked and nothing pertinent came up.  It would help me if you could explain exactly what it is you are getting at.
 
2013-02-10 08:23:22 PM  
thrgd456:
If we need to take away the guns from anyone right now it seems like we should take them away from the cops.

Agreed.  Only good guys should have guns.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-11 09:52:10 AM  

bullwrinkle: Enemabag Jones: bullwrinkle
This guy is no different than the Sandy Hook shooter or the Colorado
Theatre shooter, he may have killed innocent people. I think LAPD made the right choice
in firing him after all he may be a murderer.

OK, fine. Then are the police possibly guilty of attempted murder for opening fire on targets when they didn't know who was being shot at?

No but  I would be alright with them getting fired. The women that were shot at will get a big pay day
and will never deliver papers again.


I will posit you are quite correct.
AND ALL ON OUR TAX DOLLARS.
Just Farking wonderful.
 
2013-02-11 07:53:09 PM  

orclover: raatz01: You know, usually when they release photos of the killers/suspects they have those dead eyes or look totally insane...this guy looked so smiley and nice. It's sad. What a clusterfark.

Well at the time of the pictures he was the picture perfect example of a strong and honest human being who was at peace with his life.
Something happened, which he tried to explain in a 30 page memo.
Now he probably doesn't smile any more.


An otherwise "good guy" over the edge.  Really dangerous now.  I dont doubt he was mistreated by the LAPD.
 
2013-02-11 08:48:52 PM  

orclover: raatz01: You know, usually when they release photos of the killers/suspects they have those dead eyes or look totally insane...this guy looked so smiley and nice. It's sad. What a clusterfark.

Well at the time of the pictures he was the picture perfect example of a strong and honest human being who was at peace with his life.
Something happened, which he tried to explain in a 30 page memo.
Now he probably doesn't smile any more.


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