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(Los Cerritos News)   Last known photos of Christopher Dorner released by Irvine Police Department on Saturday. Dorner is now one of the MOST WANTED SUSPECTS in AMERICA   (loscerritosnews.net) divider line 315
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2013-02-10 10:12:40 AM  
For good or ill, there is a war brewing over movie rights to this, guaranteed.
 
2013-02-10 10:13:06 AM  
Alonjar: ypical mass media proganda bullshiat.
 
He was a true boy scout... joinend police explorers as a kid, found $8k cash and turned it in to a church, joined the military where he went into intelligence work.. eventually was allowed to switch to non active reserves and complete his dream of joining the LAPD...

And Dennis Raider, the serial killer know as BTK (Bind, Torture and Kill) was a Boy Scout leader and head of his church's congregation. Robert Yates, another serial killer who 17 murdered prostitutes was a decorated helicopter pilot for Army National Guard. John Wayne Gacy Jr, yet another serial killer who killed 33 boys and young men was a Boy Scout as well. Ted Bundy, a serial killer who raped and murdered thirty woman (of those he admitted to killing) ? Yes. Another Boy Scout.  David Berkowitz was in the US Army, served in Korea.


According to you, these men came from good backgrounds.

You have got a serious case of misplaced hero worship. And it's damn creepy. Dorner is a narcissist  who has the public on his side, at least that's what he thinks. But the media is going to grow restless and bored of him and I am willing to bet my whole bank account that he is going to kill a civilian just to put his name in the news cycles and then blame the cops for his actions. He wants attention not justice. It's all in his manifesto.

I am not saying that the police force isn't crawling with corrupt cops. They are. But Dorner isn't an "American hero." He's a serial killer.(Instead of prostitutes and young boys, he is targeting law officers and ANYONE related to them.) You can say snap. But they all start somewhere.
 
2013-02-10 10:13:11 AM  

The Muthaship: Bontesla: I think it's smart to wait for evidence before we start assigning guilt.

That's well and good.  Do you support the people in here who are cheering for him based on their belief that he's done what he's alleged to have done, but has done so for good reasons?


We don't know what the hell he's done until he's questioned.

I think it's stupid for anyone to be fans of anyone involved at this point.

I root for Dorner's survival and subsequent investigation handled by someone other than the LAPD. I also root for an investigation of the LAPD.
 
2013-02-10 10:14:03 AM  

IamKaiserSoze!!!: This guy was scum the minute he put this plot together and killed innocent people. Even if he was kicked off the force inappropriately (and there is no evidence he was) he warrants no sympathy from anyone.


Oh look, another "the cops can do no wrong" blind supporter.  How's life with your head buried that far in the sand?
 
2013-02-10 10:16:06 AM  

Bontesla: Based on the facts: he was considered a really good guy.

He's wanted for questioning in conjunction with crimes that could change my opinion. But until those facts are established - they don't factor into my judgment.

God forbid people wait to collect evidence before making up their minds.


What facts are there establishing that he is a "good guy"? He likes Louis CK? He wants to know what's up with Michelle Obama's bangs? OMG HE'S JUST LIKE US!

Besides the part where he murdered people, but I suppose his own warnings of violence are inadmissible in a court of Fark.
 
2013-02-10 10:16:22 AM  

Bontesla: LOL that doesn't help your argument.


www.bsmpg.com
 
2013-02-10 10:16:50 AM  

MahicanDream: Bontesla: MahicanDream: Bontesla: The Muthaship: The fact that the cops are idiots doesn't make this guy less of an asshole.

It is terrifying that this crazy son of a b*tch has fans.

Meh. He comes across as a really good guy.
Based on what we actually know - why does he come across as an asshole?

He killed innocent people, WHAT A SWELL FELLA!

Fark is really showing its' ass on this story, bunch of idiots.

He hasn't confessed.
He hasn't been charged.
He hasn't been convicted.
He's a suspect. He's wanted for questioning for connections to the crimes. At this stage in the investigation - it's not unusual for suspects to be ruled out or become witnesses.

You're a villager with the pitchfork. Way to give into mass stupidity.

You are confusing informed opinion with mass stupidity, likely because you cannot differentiate the two.

Dorner submits a ranting manifesto in which he states he will target family members of the LAPD. He posts on Facebook that he will bring warfare to the LAPD and its' families. Sure, this could all be one massive setup, however the simpler explanation is that this guy killed those people.

You are wearing tin-foil on your head.


You don't have an informed opinion. You have an interpretation of a handful of facts. You don't even have all of the facts as there's an ongoing investigation. You're seriously claiming that despite all of the sh*t you don't know (and aren't aware of what you don't know) - you can make an informed decision?

Stupidity of the masses.
 
2013-02-10 10:18:23 AM  
"Deadly consequences" and "The attacks will stop" statements he made, makes me think he has himself assigned guilt on some level.

But you're right, he did not threaten murder.

Bontesia: I think it's stupid for anyone to be fans of anyone involved at this point.
I root for Dorner's survival and subsequent investigation handled by someone other than the LAPD. I also root for an investigation of the LAPD.


Agreed
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-10 10:18:31 AM  

Hermione_Granger: Dorner is the deadest walking black man alive at present.

Yesterday I posted something along the lines the what Aemrica does best is train people to kill. And some responded back, supposed finishing my sentence saying that the people who are killed "needed killing".

And I'd like to say to that asshole: You tell that to the family of Aiyanna Jones. Tell that to the family of Treyvon Martin. Tell that to the family of Oscar Grant.

Find me the story of even one white person suspiciously shot by the police in 2012. Just one. Any one. Does this happen to white people? I know poor white folks get harassed by the police, but killed? Just outright killed? Sometimes some uppity white woman gets tased, but killed?

I just would like to know if anyone knows of a white person outright killed by the police just for walking, or sleeping in a house where a criminal might be or for surrendering to the police and got shot while laying down in handcuffs because the cop mistook his gun for a taser.

Does this shiat happen to white people?

If it does, I would really like to know and I would like to start adding these stories to the collective. Because once this shiat really starts happening to white folk on a daily basis, America is truly farked.


Sigh, I know you're troll-o-the-day but you asked for an example of something, so here you go.
http://ireport.cnn.com/docs/DOC-802721
LGT article showing a young man shot for cops stupidity and ignorance in thinking some car audio were parts of a pipe bomb or such. Shot 19 times!

You can GIS as well as the next person so I refuse to sit and do your due diligence for you. You need to learn to do that BEFORE posting a troll line such as this.

"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak  post a troll and to remove all doubt."
 
2013-02-10 10:19:43 AM  
i595.photobucket.com

"Calm down, LAPD.  Now is not the time for shooting Asian women.  That comes later."
 
2013-02-10 10:19:48 AM  
If the police find him, he will die. Not that he doesn't likely deserve it (if he killed Lawrence and Quan), but he really needs get to a TV station somewhere to help ensure he doesn't die in custody. The LAPD wants him silenced. If he wants to shine some sunlight on their corruption, he's going to have to do it from death row.
 
2013-02-10 10:20:21 AM  

Bontesla: You don't have an informed opinion. You have an interpretation of a handful of facts. You don't even have all of the facts as there's an ongoing investigation. You're seriously claiming that despite all of the sh*t you don't know (and aren't aware of what you don't know) - you can make an informed decision?


None of us can, at this stage. I'm remaining agnostic until facts (not media yammer) are more plentiful.
 
2013-02-10 10:20:39 AM  
Holy balls, going through the thread...Do you "wait for the evidence" people realize you are choosing to ignore incriminating, non circumstantial evidence?  It's bullsh*t.  Either admit that this is entertainment for you and being a contrarian on the internet is fun--or actually "wait for the evidence."

The idea that the wrongful termination, the manifesto, the threats, the ballistic evidence, the public ambush with witnesses leading to a dead cop, the media frenzy that ensued-- all of this could possibly be a massive setup by the LAPD?  Holy sh*t, you people need a week of sensory deprivation clinics.
 
2013-02-10 10:21:41 AM  

MahicanDream: Bontesla: Based on the facts: he was considered a really good guy.

He's wanted for questioning in conjunction with crimes that could change my opinion. But until those facts are established - they don't factor into my judgment.

God forbid people wait to collect evidence before making up their minds.

What facts are there establishing that he is a "good guy"? He likes Louis CK? He wants to know what's up with Michelle Obama's bangs? OMG HE'S JUST LIKE US!

Besides the part where he murdered people, but I suppose his own warnings of violence are inadmissible in a court of Fark.


Based on the former Chief of Police's statements. He handled the original accusation that Dorner's training officer misused force in arresting a suspect.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-10 10:21:48 AM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Bontesla: LOL that doesn't help your argument.

[www.bsmpg.com image 400x298]


Love that movie. Laughed myself sore in the ribs at some of the lines.
 
2013-02-10 10:26:35 AM  

Bontesla: You don't have an informed opinion. You have an interpretation of a handful of facts. You don't even have all of the facts as there's an ongoing investigation. You're seriously claiming that despite all of the sh*t you don't know (and aren't aware of what you don't know) - you can make an informed decision?

Stupidity of the masses.


My opinion comes from facts, I am not making a value judgement based on who I think the guy is. Whether he is a good guy or not is irrelevant, yet you keep repeating it like some mantra to counteract reality. The only facts we have all point to him doing this, including his own warnings of violence.
 
2013-02-10 10:28:07 AM  

tshauk: "Deadly consequences" and "The attacks will stop" statements he made, makes me think he has himself assigned guilt on some level.

But you're right, he did not threaten murder.

Bontesia: I think it's stupid for anyone to be fans of anyone involved at this point.
I root for Dorner's survival and subsequent investigation handled by someone other than the LAPD. I also root for an investigation of the LAPD.

Agreed


If you don't think there's deadly consequences for exposing corruption then you haven't been paying attention.

Look - Dorner's statements aren't conclusive. If he survives to trial - that will likely be part of the story the District Attorney tells - but he'll have to establish an interpretation of the events. It isn't a confession.

Dorner could be guilty and could have written an intentionally vague confession just for the defense. I'm not defending Dorner. I'm saying that we shouldn't be convicting the man in the press for crimes he hasn't been criminally charged and convicted for in a court of law.

His "manifesto" isn't an admission of much.
 
2013-02-10 10:32:16 AM  

Bontesla: MahicanDream: Bontesla: Based on the facts: he was considered a really good guy.

He's wanted for questioning in conjunction with crimes that could change my opinion. But until those facts are established - they don't factor into my judgment.

God forbid people wait to collect evidence before making up their minds.

What facts are there establishing that he is a "good guy"? He likes Louis CK? He wants to know what's up with Michelle Obama's bangs? OMG HE'S JUST LIKE US!

Besides the part where he murdered people, but I suppose his own warnings of violence are inadmissible in a court of Fark.

Based on the former Chief of Police's statements. He handled the original accusation that Dorner's training officer misused force in arresting a suspect.


And there it is, an admission that you believe this all MUST be some sort of conspiracy, willfully ignoring evidence pointing to the contrary.

I honestly hope the guy WAS dicked over by the LAPD. Life. Is. Not. Fair. We all deal with that, but we do not all end up killing people or authoring self-important manifestos. Dude's coping skills are missing because he likely is a mental defect, not necessarily in a measurable way but instead in the way he processes good and bad.
 
2013-02-10 10:32:24 AM  

Bontesla: God forbid people wait to collect evidence before making up their minds.


There's nothing wrong with a snap judgement when nothing's on the line and you recognize it for what it is.

As soon as there's any evidence he DIDN'T kill three people, public opinion will change.
 
2013-02-10 10:33:00 AM  

MahicanDream: Bontesla: You don't have an informed opinion. You have an interpretation of a handful of facts. You don't even have all of the facts as there's an ongoing investigation. You're seriously claiming that despite all of the sh*t you don't know (and aren't aware of what you don't know) - you can make an informed decision?

Stupidity of the masses.

My opinion comes from facts, I am not making a value judgement based on who I think the guy is. Whether he is a good guy or not is irrelevant, yet you keep repeating it like some mantra to counteract reality. The only facts we have all point to him doing this, including his own warnings of violence.


Your opinion stems from a few facts - not all facts.

And much of what you consider facts are actually just the interpretation of facts. That's pretty common. People, in general, have difficulty determining the difference between the facts and the story. It's not a life skill that we teach and learn.
 
2013-02-10 10:33:43 AM  

MahicanDream: Bontesla: MahicanDream: Bontesla: Based on the facts: he was considered a really good guy.

He's wanted for questioning in conjunction with crimes that could change my opinion. But until those facts are established - they don't factor into my judgment.

God forbid people wait to collect evidence before making up their minds.

What facts are there establishing that he is a "good guy"? He likes Louis CK? He wants to know what's up with Michelle Obama's bangs? OMG HE'S JUST LIKE US!

Besides the part where he murdered people, but I suppose his own warnings of violence are inadmissible in a court of Fark.

Based on the former Chief of Police's statements. He handled the original accusation that Dorner's training officer misused force in arresting a suspect.

And there it is, an admission that you believe this all MUST be some sort of conspiracy, willfully ignoring evidence pointing to the contrary.

I honestly hope the guy WAS dicked over by the LAPD. Life. Is. Not. Fair. We all deal with that, but we do not all end up killing people or authoring self-important manifestos. Dude's coping skills are missing because he likely is a mental defect, not necessarily in a measurable way but instead in the way he processes good and bad.


Lolwut
 
2013-02-10 10:34:44 AM  

Bontesla: If you don't think there's deadly consequences for exposing corruption then you haven't been paying attention.


He wasn't exposing corruption.  He says he was wrongfully terminated for lying, 5 years ago, after he accused his supervisor of abusing a prisoner.  After he started the shooting rampage, his disciplinary case was reopened.  This is not how police corruption works.  What's the cover up?  Hell, where's the corruption?  Does Dorner even allude to knowing anything about anything that doesn't concern how he feels he was treated unfairly?

If you're going to live in TV land, stop pretending your "opinion" is actually superior.
 
2013-02-10 10:35:34 AM  

doglover: Bontesla: God forbid people wait to collect evidence before making up their minds.

There's nothing wrong with a snap judgement when nothing's on the line and you recognize it for what it is.

As soon as there's any evidence he DIDN'T kill three people, public opinion will change.


That's not how our criminal justice works.
We prove guilt. Not innocence.
 
2013-02-10 10:35:38 AM  

doglover: Given he is fleeing arrest.
Given that he left a manifesto.
Given that people connected to people connected directly to names in the manifesto are dead.
Given that the police are acting like scared little children, just like any bullies do when they meet a bigger bully.

I feel it is with some degree of certainly close to 100 that I can assume he is in fact a murderer.


Holy crap, that is one huge gorramleap  to an unrelated conclusion.  I feel it is with some degree of certainty close to 100 that I can assume that you are a politician.
 
2013-02-10 10:35:50 AM  

Alonjar: sanriosucks: Can someone more in the know fill me in? This story, or the lapd's version (plus accusations made in the "manifesto"), doesn't add up. Is there more here? Conspiracy? Has this guy actually killed anyone yet?
Or is he just a killer duckhead who happens to work for the lapd (who nobody trusts enough to have people not think an enemy of theirs is probably innocent)



Typical mass media proganda bullshiat.

He was a true boy scout... joinend police explorers as a kid, found $8k cash and turned it in to a church, joined the military where he went into intelligence work.. eventually was allowed to switch to non active reserves and complete his dream of joining the LAPD.

Then when he's an officer, he sees rampant racism and abuse of citizens.  The day that sparked this whole mess, he had handcuffed a mentally ill suspect, and a female cop walked over and started kicking the suspect in the face... while he was on the ground handcuffed.

So Mr GI Joe here reports her for excessive force... which goes to a review panel, they say Uh we dont prosecute cops, sorry, she didnt do it... but you're now fired for filing a "false report". and lying about this abuse that never happened.

Because he was fired from the LAPD for "creating a false report", it completely boned his military security clearance and destroyed any chance he has of working anything other than a security guard.

Having everything stripped from him, and seeing rampant corruption going unchecked, as well as racism etc, he has become The Punisher, the Dark Knight, he who watches the watchmen.  He has vowed to cut the corruption out of the LAPD by force, using his tactical training and access to secure military intelligence systems.

He is the terror that flaps in the night.  He will kill every police officer he can to root this evil from the land.  Only by waging assymetrical warfare against the LAPD was he able to bring attention to a corrupted system, and his injustice he has had to endure because he chose to do the right thing.

He is the creak in the hallway.  He is the wind rustling at the back of your neck.  Because his life was torn from him and destroyed to protect criminal cops, forcing him into these actions, he will never get to have a family.  For forcing this fate upon him, none of the cops families shall be safe.  All they hold dear is at risk... for once, the hunters become the hunted.  The tyrants are afraid, for justice has come for them.

He is a good man pushed too far... and he is prepared to give his life, so that you may live yours in freedom and liberty.

He is an American Hero.


Plagiarism aside, you put that together pretty well.
 
2013-02-10 10:36:29 AM  

Bontesla: Your opinion stems from a few facts - not all facts.


Your opinion stems from no facts--even though they are available.  i hope that works out.
 
2013-02-10 10:36:34 AM  

thamike: Holy balls, going through the thread...Do you "wait for the evidence" people realize you are choosing to ignore incriminating, non circumstantial evidence?  It's bullsh*t.  Either admit that this is entertainment for you and being a contrarian on the internet is fun--or actually "wait for the evidence."

The idea that the wrongful termination, the manifesto, the threats, the ballistic evidence, the public ambush with witnesses leading to a dead cop, the media frenzy that ensued-- all of this could possibly be a massive setup by the LAPD?  Holy sh*t, you people need a week of sensory deprivation clinics.


We are all just sheeple for falling for all of that evidence though, dontcha know. Clearly the LAPD were also forcing Ronaniah Tusiasapdsspdsfpppo to be Manti Teo's girlfriend, they caused the power outage at the Superbowl, and they are not allowing Congress to make a deal to avoid sequestration.
 
2013-02-10 10:37:00 AM  

thamike: Bontesla: If you don't think there's deadly consequences for exposing corruption then you haven't been paying attention.

He wasn't exposing corruption.  He says he was wrongfully terminated for lying, 5 years ago, after he accused his supervisor of abusing a prisoner.  After he started the shooting rampage, his disciplinary case was reopened.  This is not how police corruption works.  What's the cover up?  Hell, where's the corruption?  Does Dorner even allude to knowing anything about anything that doesn't concern how he feels he was treated unfairly?

If you're going to live in TV land, stop pretending your "opinion" is actually superior.


I've been saying that he thinks he's exposing corruption.

All we have are accusations.
 
2013-02-10 10:37:49 AM  

thamike: Bontesla: Your opinion stems from a few facts - not all facts.

Your opinion stems from no facts--even though they are available.  i hope that works out.


What do you think my opinion is? You seem confused.
 
2013-02-10 10:37:57 AM  

Bontesla: As soon as there's any evidence he DIDN'T kill three people, public opinion will change.

That's not how our criminal justice works.
We prove guilt. Not innocence.


Right, but that is how public opinion works. As the comment you were replying to clearly states.
 
2013-02-10 10:39:35 AM  

thamike: Bontesla: As soon as there's any evidence he DIDN'T kill three people, public opinion will change.

That's not how our criminal justice works.
We prove guilt. Not innocence.

Right, but that is how public opinion works. As the comment you were replying to clearly states.


That's why I inserted "criminal justice" into my response.

:)
 
2013-02-10 10:41:16 AM  

Bontesla: MahicanDream: Bontesla: You don't have an informed opinion. You have an interpretation of a handful of facts. You don't even have all of the facts as there's an ongoing investigation. You're seriously claiming that despite all of the sh*t you don't know (and aren't aware of what you don't know) - you can make an informed decision?

Stupidity of the masses.

My opinion comes from facts, I am not making a value judgement based on who I think the guy is. Whether he is a good guy or not is irrelevant, yet you keep repeating it like some mantra to counteract reality. The only facts we have all point to him doing this, including his own warnings of violence.

Your opinion stems from a few facts - not all facts.

And much of what you consider facts are actually just the interpretation of facts. That's pretty common. People, in general, have difficulty determining the difference between the facts and the story. It's not a life skill that we teach and learn.


Well which is it, does my opinion come from a few facts or just things I am confusing as facts? You don't even know how to prosecute my argument coherently. That's pretty common. People in general have difficulty determining the difference between analyzing an argument and attacking it because they feel a suspected murderer is "a good guy". It's not a life skill that we teach and learn, clearly.
 
2013-02-10 10:42:48 AM  

Bontesla: I've been saying that he thinks he's exposing corruption.

All we have are accusations.


No, there is quite a bit of incriminating evidence.  Enough to go to trial, and if he's connected with a murder weapon, or even evidence of him found at either scene--more than enough to convict.

If you want to know what the evidence is, the internet is your oyster.

Bontesla: What do you think my opinion is? You seem confused.


Your opinion is vaguely contrary to the opinion to the people you're chatting with.  I'm not confused.  You're just another internet contrarian armed with nothing but speculation, conjecture and convenient relativity when needed.  And I don't think any less of you for it, it's just obvious you are not here to fill a pair of constructive boots.
 
2013-02-10 10:43:24 AM  

Bontesla: That's not how our criminal justice works.


There is no justice system. It's a legal system. And your naive faith in it would chill me if I had less wine in my blood and the Pacific ocean wasn't between me and the shores of sweet Columbia.
 
2013-02-10 10:43:36 AM  
LA and the surrounding areas have has gang problems for a long time. It's unfortunate that the cops in LA are one of those gangs.

As for Dorner, he's obviously crazy. He thinks Tebow is a great football player for Christ sake!
 
2013-02-10 10:45:21 AM  

Jim_Tressel's_O-Face: Bontesla: You're a villager with the pitchfork. Way to give into mass stupidity.

C'mon. Say it. You know you want to.  All the other hip stick it to The Man kids are saying it.  C'mon, say it.  Just once.  "Sheeple."


Close the city and tell the people
That something's coming to call
Death and darkness are rushing forward
To stamp light from the wall!

Oh! You've nothing to say
They'll drag you away!
If you listen to fools,
The mob rules, the mob rules
 
2013-02-10 10:46:06 AM  
Just go rent Rambo and settle.
 
2013-02-10 10:46:28 AM  

Hermione_Granger: Dorner is the deadest walking black man alive at present.

Yesterday I posted something along the lines the what Aemrica does best is train people to kill. And some responded back, supposed finishing my sentence saying that the people who are killed "needed killing".

And I'd like to say to that asshole: You tell that to the family of Aiyanna Jones. Tell that to the family of Treyvon Martin. Tell that to the family of Oscar Grant.

Find me the story of even one white person suspiciously shot by the police in 2012. Just one. Any one. Does this happen to white people? I know poor white folks get harassed by the police, but killed? Just outright killed? Sometimes some uppity white woman gets tased, but killed?

I just would like to know if anyone knows of a white person outright killed by the police just for walking, or sleeping in a house where a criminal might be or for surrendering to the police and got shot while laying down in handcuffs because the cop mistook his gun for a taser.

Does this shiat happen to white people?

If it does, I would really like to know and I would like to start adding these stories to the collective. Because once this shiat really starts happening to white folk on a daily basis, America is truly farked.


It happened here in central Florida recently. Cops charged into the wrong apartment and killed the guy.
 
2013-02-10 10:46:35 AM  

styckx: Hermione_Granger: Dorner is the deadest walking black man alive at present.

Yesterday I posted something along the lines the what Aemrica does best is train people to kill. And some responded back, supposed finishing my sentence saying that the people who are killed "needed killing".

And I'd like to say to that asshole: You tell that to the family of Aiyanna Jones. Tell that to the family of Treyvon Martin. Tell that to the family of Oscar Grant.

Find me the story of even one white person suspiciously shot by the police in 2012. Just one. Any one. Does this happen to white people? I know poor white folks get harassed by the police, but killed? Just outright killed? Sometimes some uppity white woman gets tased, but killed?

I just would like to know if anyone knows of a white person outright killed by the police just for walking, or sleeping in a house where a criminal might be or for surrendering to the police and got shot while laying down in handcuffs because the cop mistook his gun for a taser.

Does this shiat happen to white people?

If it does, I would really like to know and I would like to start adding these stories to the collective. Because once this shiat really starts happening to white folk on a daily basis, America is truly farked.

10/10.. You're going to get a shiat load of bites on this one.. Allstar quality trolling.
Since when are legitimate observations trolling?  It's not hard to make the argument that non white people are treated differently by the police.

 
2013-02-10 10:46:49 AM  
Meanwhile, this are the same folks a lot of people on the left think are the only ones "responsible enough" to posses firearms.
 
2013-02-10 10:50:53 AM  

MahicanDream: Bontesla: MahicanDream: Bontesla: You don't have an informed opinion. You have an interpretation of a handful of facts. You don't even have all of the facts as there's an ongoing investigation. You're seriously claiming that despite all of the sh*t you don't know (and aren't aware of what you don't know) - you can make an informed decision?

Stupidity of the masses.

My opinion comes from facts, I am not making a value judgement based on who I think the guy is. Whether he is a good guy or not is irrelevant, yet you keep repeating it like some mantra to counteract reality. The only facts we have all point to him doing this, including his own warnings of violence.

Your opinion stems from a few facts - not all facts.

And much of what you consider facts are actually just the interpretation of facts. That's pretty common. People, in general, have difficulty determining the difference between the facts and the story. It's not a life skill that we teach and learn.

Well which is it, does my opinion come from a few facts or just things I am confusing as facts? You don't even know how to prosecute my argument coherently. That's pretty common. People in general have difficulty determining the difference between analyzing an argument and attacking it because they feel a suspected murderer is "a good guy". It's not a life skill that we teach and learn, clearly.


I said you were doing both.
 
2013-02-10 10:52:41 AM  

thamike: Bontesla: I've been saying that he thinks he's exposing corruption.

All we have are accusations.

No, there is quite a bit of incriminating evidence.  Enough to go to trial, and if he's connected with a murder weapon, or even evidence of him found at either scene--more than enough to convict.

If you want to know what the evidence is, the internet is your oyster.

Bontesla: What do you think my opinion is? You seem confused.

Your opinion is vaguely contrary to the opinion to the people you're chatting with.  I'm not confused.  You're just another internet contrarian armed with nothing but speculation, conjecture and convenient relativity when needed.  And I don't think any less of you for it, it's just obvious you are not here to fill a pair of constructive boots.


We have damning evidence of corruption?
 
2013-02-10 10:53:27 AM  
Let's get it over with.
reason.com
 
2013-02-10 10:54:18 AM  

Bontesla: The Muthaship: Bontesla: I think it's smart to wait for evidence before we start assigning guilt.

That's well and good.  Do you support the people in here who are cheering for him based on their belief that he's done what he's alleged to have done, but has done so for good reasons?

We don't know what the hell he's done until he's questioned.

I think it's stupid for anyone to be fans of anyone involved at this point.

I root for Dorner's survival and subsequent investigation handled by someone other than the LAPD. I also root for an investigation of the LAPD.


You have my vote.
 
2013-02-10 10:54:50 AM  

doglover: Bontesla: That's not how our criminal justice works.

There is no justice system. It's a legal system. And your naive faith in it would chill me if I had less wine in my blood and the Pacific ocean wasn't between me and the shores of sweet Columbia.


I have a lot more faith in the legal system than in some scared cops running around with itchy trigger fingers.

/Columbia?
 
2013-02-10 10:56:34 AM  

Bathia_Mapes: You do realize that he's a suspect in three murders, one of them a cop, right?


You do realize the LAPD has killed more than three people, right? On a scale of bodycounts (not to mention all the other 'minor' things the cops do, like assault, illegal searches, etc), the LAPD is by far the more dangerous.
 
2013-02-10 10:57:39 AM  

doglover: Bontesla: That's not how our criminal justice works.

There is no justice system. It's a legal system. And your naive faith in it would chill me if I had less wine in my blood and the Pacific ocean wasn't between me and the shores of sweet Columbia.


I've also said that if the system is broken then it needs reformed.

But it's called the Criminal Justice system. That's not me misplacing faith in something broken. It's me saying we should first rely on existing mechanisms.
 
2013-02-10 10:59:49 AM  

Bontesla: But it's called the Criminal Justice system.


Calling herpes a cold sore doesn't reduce your chance of shingles.
 
2013-02-10 10:59:55 AM  

Bontesla: MahicanDream: Bontesla: MahicanDream: Bontesla: You don't have an informed opinion. You have an interpretation of a handful of facts. You don't even have all of the facts as there's an ongoing investigation. You're seriously claiming that despite all of the sh*t you don't know (and aren't aware of what you don't know) - you can make an informed decision?

Stupidity of the masses.

My opinion comes from facts, I am not making a value judgement based on who I think the guy is. Whether he is a good guy or not is irrelevant, yet you keep repeating it like some mantra to counteract reality. The only facts we have all point to him doing this, including his own warnings of violence.

Your opinion stems from a few facts - not all facts.

And much of what you consider facts are actually just the interpretation of facts. That's pretty common. People, in general, have difficulty determining the difference between the facts and the story. It's not a life skill that we teach and learn.

Well which is it, does my opinion come from a few facts or just things I am confusing as facts? You don't even know how to prosecute my argument coherently. That's pretty common. People in general have difficulty determining the difference between analyzing an argument and attacking it because they feel a suspected murderer is "a good guy". It's not a life skill that we teach and learn, clearly.

I said you were doing both.


So, to summarize, my opinion comes from facts AND it comes just from things I am confusing as facts. That is one hell of an argument, accusing me of possessing Schroedinger's facts/not facts and all. Between that stunningly dumb statement of yours and the assertion that Dorner is a good guy there is no  way you can be serious. Nice trolling, many bites.
 
2013-02-10 11:02:17 AM  

MNguy: doglover: Bontesla: That's not how our criminal justice works.

There is no justice system. It's a legal system. And your naive faith in it would chill me if I had less wine in my blood and the Pacific ocean wasn't between me and the shores of sweet Columbia.

I have a lot more faith in the legal system than in some scared cops running around with itchy trigger fingers.

/Columbia?


Washington D.C.

D. C.

What the hell do you think DC stands for?
 
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