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(Discovery)   Artist decodes stray DNA of strangers to produce life-like pictures of them   (news.discovery.com) divider line 61
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2013-02-09 10:17:37 PM
Interesting article. Brings up the question of how much privacy can we really have when bits of DNA just fall off of us naturally, or get discarded on a used napkin.
 
2013-02-09 10:35:37 PM
Bet the CIA hires her within the month.
 
2013-02-09 11:04:09 PM

Not a lot of detail in that DNA model: gender, eye colour, maternal race.

By that measure, I am a British male with brown eyes. So I did a Google for images of British Males with Brown Eyes. Apart from that guy who played James Bond and some porn stars, a couple of schmucks and a lot of pictures of dragon flies for some reason, there was nobody who looked much like me.

But here's an interesting British male with brown eyes:


img.scoop.it

Just kidding. He's a Neanderthal.
Not even the same species as I am.

Kinda cute for a cave man, though.
He could star in a couple of movies.
A Hell of a lot less scary than Carrot Top.
 
2013-02-09 11:54:16 PM
This could change how Maury reveals the real father.
 
2013-02-10 12:11:08 AM

WordyGrrl: Interesting article. Brings up the question of how much privacy can we really have when bits of DNA just fall off of us naturally, or get discarded on a used napkin.


You want to hear a neat trick?  The bacterial communities on your skin are so unique to you that I could identify you by sampling the surface of your computer mouse.
 
2013-02-10 12:17:22 AM
 
2013-02-10 12:18:05 AM
Riiiiiight.
 
2013-02-10 12:19:51 AM
Yeah, "life like" is a tad misleading.
 
2013-02-10 12:20:07 AM
I am calling bullshiat on this one
 
2013-02-10 12:27:15 AM

WordyGrrl: Interesting article. Brings up the question of how much privacy can we really have when bits of DNA just fall off of us naturally, or get discarded on a used napkin.


Hmm. I may have to change my masturbation habits.
 
2013-02-10 12:30:17 AM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: WordyGrrl: Interesting article. Brings up the question of how much privacy can we really have when bits of DNA just fall off of us naturally, or get discarded on a used napkin.

Hmm. I may have to change my masturbation habits.


10/10.
 
2013-02-10 12:32:16 AM

brantgoose: Not a lot of detail in that DNA model: gender, eye colour, maternal race.


With a little work, her technique could beat police sketch artists.

But how does she know there's a "family resemblance" to anonymous people?
 
2013-02-10 12:32:22 AM

brantgoose: Not a lot of detail in that DNA model: gender, eye colour, maternal race.

By that measure, I am a British male with brown eyes. So I did a Google for images of British Males with Brown Eyes. Apart from that guy who played James Bond and some porn stars, a couple of schmucks and a lot of pictures of dragon flies for some reason, there was nobody who looked much like me.

But here's an interesting British male with brown eyes:


[img.scoop.it image 403x538]

Just kidding. He's a Neanderthal.
Not even the same species as I am.

Kinda cute for a cave man, though.
He could star in a couple of movies.
A Hell of a lot less scary than Carrot Top.

Is that Shawn White?
 
2013-02-10 12:33:30 AM

brantgoose: Not a lot of detail in that DNA model: gender, eye colour, maternal race.

By that measure, I am a British male with brown eyes. So I did a Google for images of British Males with Brown Eyes. Apart from that guy who played James Bond and some porn stars, a couple of schmucks and a lot of pictures of dragon flies for some reason, there was nobody who looked much like me.

But here's an interesting British male with brown eyes:


[img.scoop.it image 403x538]

Just kidding. He's a Neanderthal.
Not even the same species as I am.

Kinda cute for a cave man, though.
He could star in a couple of movies.
A Hell of a lot less scary than Carrot Top.


Whoa, according to genetics we are twins.
/I believe genetics can also see several other physical traits like certain aspects of ears/nose/mouth characteristics
/never the less

kibbled: I am calling bullshiat on this one

 
2013-02-10 12:33:35 AM
I thought this would be way more cool. But it's just someone who figured out the sex, eye color and race and created some random face based on that. Hell, I can do that by sampling starcraft handles.
 
2013-02-10 12:35:20 AM

lack of warmth: This could change how Maury reveals the real father.


Forensic reconstruction of the father:
www.myfacewhen.net
 
2013-02-10 12:35:42 AM
I clone slaves from my sweatsocks.

So there, "artiste."
 
2013-02-10 12:36:53 AM
Actually, scratch that. I took a sample of an anonymous person on battle.net. Based on this "data", I predict that they're male and korean.

MAGIC
 
2013-02-10 12:37:56 AM

The Ghost of Tom Ace: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: WordyGrrl: Interesting article. Brings up the question of how much privacy can we really have when bits of DNA just fall off of us naturally, or get discarded on a used napkin.

Hmm. I may have to change my masturbation habits.

10/10.


Relevant
 
2013-02-10 12:45:03 AM

twizzted: Relevant


Wow, those guys really think they are funny.  Good for them.
 
2013-02-10 12:54:06 AM
FTFA:
After settling on which one looked the most aesthetically pleasing

Science, it works, biatches.
 
2013-02-10 12:56:39 AM

MusicMakeMyHeadPound: WordyGrrl: Interesting article. Brings up the question of how much privacy can we really have when bits of DNA just fall off of us naturally, or get discarded on a used napkin.

Hmm. I may have to change my masturbation habits.


Relax...they'll only get half the chromosomes:)
 
2013-02-10 12:58:53 AM

Nuclear Monk: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: WordyGrrl: Interesting article. Brings up the question of how much privacy can we really have when bits of DNA just fall off of us naturally, or get discarded on a used napkin.

Hmm. I may have to change my masturbation habits.

Relax...they'll only get half the chromosomes:)


Well, it's not just gametes he's leaving behind...
 
2013-02-10 12:59:28 AM
Scientists have figured out the genes for characteristics like clefted chins, widows peaks, and attached vs detached earlobes.
 
2013-02-10 01:00:26 AM

SanjiSasuke: I believe genetics can also see several other physical traits like certain aspects of ears/nose/mouth characteristics


But since TFA says "maternal", I think that is journalism-major-speak for mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA).

So it identifies more than just "British" or whatever. The haplogroups are separated out.

However, I rather doubt the mtDNA does much for this. It is more about oxidative phosphorylation and transfer RNA purposes. It isn't going to tell you much about lip ratios.

In any case, it will become a possibility, but this article is about an artist, not a scientist.
 
2013-02-10 01:03:18 AM
meh

from watching tv "life like" worries me less than mentat's post

a person's surface bacteria ought to be private
 
2013-02-10 01:05:06 AM

WordyGrrl: Interesting article. Brings up the question of how much privacy can we really have when bits of DNA just fall off of us naturally, or get discarded on a used napkin.


What someone concerned about his stray DNA might look like:

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-10 01:05:19 AM

twizzted: The Ghost of Tom Ace: MusicMakeMyHeadPound: WordyGrrl: Interesting article. Brings up the question of how much privacy can we really have when bits of DNA just fall off of us naturally, or get discarded on a used napkin.

Hmm. I may have to change my masturbation habits.

10/10.

Relevant


Thank you for that.  I probably wouldn't have found it quite as funny if it wasn't an inside joke with my friends and I to talk with heavy Chicago and/or Andrew Dice Clay accents when we get drunk.  I'm going to start incorporating 10/10 now into my routine now.
 
2013-02-10 01:05:49 AM
So this artist can tell what someone's hair color is by looking at their hair.

Will the wonders of science never cease?
 
2013-02-10 01:16:53 AM
Conceptually it raises interesting avenues of potential futures, but as it stands, it's just someone make VAST generalizations out of less information then could found on...you name it, drivers license, a Facebook profile, birth certificate...

Privacy may become an outmoded concept in our future, on a variety of fronts.
 
2013-02-10 01:18:06 AM

BarkingUnicorn: brantgoose: Not a lot of detail in that DNA model: gender, eye colour, maternal race.

With a little work, her technique could beat police sketch artists.

But how does she know there's a "family resemblance" to anonymous people?


No, it couldn't. Not as-is, and I am willing to bet that even with a proper attempt accounting for every known genetic switch related to our external looks, even after you go through huge expense, and expend vast amount of processing power, you'd still get something that at best vaguely resembled the person and quite possibly looked nothing like them.

There's absolutely no family resemblance at all in this attention whore's "art". It says it right in the article: the only things considered are "gender, eye color and maternal ethnicity". In other words, if you don't look to have the same ethnicity as your mother, it won't look even slightly like you. Even if you do, the *only* characteristics beyond skin color that it will share with you are gender (which was only a 50/50 guess anyway), and eye color (which wouldn't have been much harder to guess.)

Beyond that, any characteristic that happens to look like you or anyone in your family will be arrived at completely accidentally. (And the law of averages says the vast majority will be guessed wrongly, and look absolutely nothing like the person.)

Quick: Choose the first random non-family member you see who has the same gender, eye color, and ethnicity as you. That's how strong the "family resemblance" will be to your own.

I've seen some shiat on Fark in my day, but this turd floats right near the top.
 
2013-02-10 01:22:26 AM

Mentat: WordyGrrl: Interesting article. Brings up the question of how much privacy can we really have when bits of DNA just fall off of us naturally, or get discarded on a used napkin.

You want to hear a neat trick?  The bacterial communities on your skin are so unique to you that I could identify you by sampling the surface of your computer mouse.


Couldn't they just get your fingerprints from your mouse a lot easier? I mean, cool idea, just a weird example.
 
2013-02-10 01:23:21 AM

brantgoose: Not a lot of detail in that DNA model: gender, eye colour, maternal race.

By that measure, I am a British male with brown eyes. So I did a Google for images of British Males with Brown Eyes. Apart from that guy who played James Bond and some porn stars, a couple of schmucks and a lot of pictures of dragon flies for some reason, there was nobody who looked much like me.

But here's an interesting British male with brown eyes:




Just kidding. He's a Neanderthal.
Not even the same species as I am.

Kinda cute for a cave man, though.
He could star in a couple of movies.
A Hell of a lot less scary than Carrot Top.


Well my moms mitochondrial line(mom's mom's etc back to your bloodlines genetic Eve) is Scotish and my dad's Y chromosome line(dad's dad's etc back to your bloodlines genetic Adam) Is so English it shat the Queen, Yet I am mostly of German ancestry and look more like a north central europen continental than someone from the British Isles.
 
2013-02-10 01:27:21 AM
 
2013-02-10 01:28:01 AM
She mentions using a file "diff" on github to compare peoples genetic markers. If you had a large database of photos and the dna for each, you could use facial recognition software to match markers to features.
 
2013-02-10 01:35:20 AM

Mentalpatient87: Mentat: WordyGrrl: Interesting article. Brings up the question of how much privacy can we really have when bits of DNA just fall off of us naturally, or get discarded on a used napkin.

You want to hear a neat trick?  The bacterial communities on your skin are so unique to you that I could identify you by sampling the surface of your computer mouse.

Couldn't they just get your fingerprints from your mouse a lot easier? I mean, cool idea, just a weird example.


It's not much of a forensics tool except on CSI:Miami.  There have been some neat studies though.  They did the biogeography of a guys face and showed, for example, that the microbes on the lips match the oral cavity more than the rest of the facial skin.  They also found an unusual patch on the bridge of the guy's nose.  It turned out that it matched his hand.  He wore glasses, so whenever he adjusted his glasses, it left behind a hand community on the bridge of his nose.  They've shown that the initial colonizing bacteria in a newborn will match the mothers vagina for natural birth and her skin for C-section.
 
2013-02-10 01:38:04 AM

gweilo8888: BarkingUnicorn: brantgoose: Not a lot of detail in that DNA model: gender, eye colour, maternal race.

With a little work, her technique could beat police sketch artists.

But how does she know there's a "family resemblance" to anonymous people?

No, it couldn't. Not as-is, and I am willing to bet that even with a proper attempt accounting for every known genetic switch related to our external looks, even after you go through huge expense, and expend vast amount of processing power, you'd still get something that at best vaguely resembled the person and quite possibly looked nothing like them.

There's absolutely no family resemblance at all in this attention whore's "art". It says it right in the article: the only things considered are "gender, eye color and maternal ethnicity". In other words, if you don't look to have the same ethnicity as your mother, it won't look even slightly like you. Even if you do, the *only* characteristics beyond skin color that it will share with you are gender (which was only a 50/50 guess anyway), and eye color (which wouldn't have been much harder to guess.)

Beyond that, any characteristic that happens to look like you or anyone in your family will be arrived at completely accidentally. (And the law of averages says the vast majority will be guessed wrongly, and look absolutely nothing like the person.)

Quick: Choose the first random non-family member you see who has the same gender, eye color, and ethnicity as you. That's how strong the "family resemblance" will be to your own.

I've seen some shiat on Fark in my day, but this turd floats right near the top.


You haven' seen many police sketches, have you?
 
2013-02-10 01:40:50 AM

BarkingUnicorn: brantgoose: Not a lot of detail in that DNA model: gender, eye colour, maternal race.

With a little work, her technique could beat police sketch artists.


4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-10 01:53:45 AM
www.daysoftheyear.com

Looks just like him.
 
2013-02-10 01:54:48 AM

Mentat: Mentalpatient87: Mentat: WordyGrrl: Interesting article. Brings up the question of how much privacy can we really have when bits of DNA just fall off of us naturally, or get discarded on a used napkin.

You want to hear a neat trick?  The bacterial communities on your skin are so unique to you that I could identify you by sampling the surface of your computer mouse.

Couldn't they just get your fingerprints from your mouse a lot easier? I mean, cool idea, just a weird example.

It's not much of a forensics tool except on CSI:Miami.  There have been some neat studies though.  They did the biogeography of a guys face and showed, for example, that the microbes on the lips match the oral cavity more than the rest of the facial skin.  They also found an unusual patch on the bridge of the guy's nose.  It turned out that it matched his hand.  He wore glasses, so whenever he adjusted his glasses, it left behind a hand community on the bridge of his nose.  They've shown that the initial colonizing bacteria in a newborn will match the mothers vagina for natural birth and her skin for C-section.


Interesting, but I want to know more. Let me try an old CSI trick... Enhance! ENHANCE! No wait. I don't want to know that much about Mom's hoo hoo.

/Just had a sneezing fit due to it being pollen season here, but am wiping the screen frantically because my hair is naturally reddish-blond and well... I've seen the redhead threads.
 
2013-02-10 02:11:02 AM
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2013-02-10 02:18:10 AM
www.queenalpo.com
 
2013-02-10 02:23:37 AM
of them
 
2013-02-10 03:45:21 AM
The physical appearance of an animal, especially something like a face, is highly dependent on random chance and environmental factors and can not be determined solely from DNA.

This is BS, as others have already stated.
 
2013-02-10 04:07:20 AM
Meh. I think George W. Bush is a much better artist than Heather Dewey-Hagborg.
 
2013-02-10 05:12:18 AM

SanjiSasuke: brantgoose: Not a lot of detail in that DNA model: gender, eye colour, maternal race.

By that measure, I am a British male with brown eyes. So I did a Google for images of British Males with Brown Eyes. Apart from that guy who played James Bond and some porn stars, a couple of schmucks and a lot of pictures of dragon flies for some reason, there was nobody who looked much like me.

But here's an interesting British male with brown eyes:


[img.scoop.it image 403x538]

Just kidding. He's a Neanderthal.
Not even the same species as I am.

Kinda cute for a cave man, though.
He could star in a couple of movies.
A Hell of a lot less scary than Carrot Top.

Whoa, according to genetics we are twins.
/I believe genetics can also see several other physical traits like certain aspects of ears/nose/mouth characteristics
/never the less kibbled: I am calling bullshiat on this one


Not to mention the environmental impact of the womb and beyond on your looks.
 
2013-02-10 08:27:29 AM
Read TFA. So very very tired of artists who want to "start a conversation." So much of the art world is signalling behavior these days; group think and endless self-affirmation amongst the chattering classes.  Technique? Creativity? Insight?  Originality?  Fark all that, I'm going to "start a conversation" about electronic privacy by installing video cameras in the art gallery! Whee!
 
2013-02-10 08:57:22 AM
Or another way of saying it is "Artist with fetish for soiled garbage makes up faces to justify it".
 
2013-02-10 08:59:06 AM
Also, those faces look an awful lot like randomized FaceGen heads.
 
2013-02-10 09:37:17 AM
This is a bunch of nonsense.
 
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