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(NYPost)   Scientology now has an enemy worse than Anonymous: The Niece of its current leader   (nypost.com) divider line 95
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2013-02-10 12:12:47 AM  
5 votes:

fusillade762: They were married and sent on an assignment to Australia where - against church rules - they discovered TV and the Internet, where she read negative comments about her Uncle David.

TV is against church rules? Even Dharma & Greg?? JAG? Late seasons of Cheers?


Scientology REQUIRES every one of it's members who use a computer to install a program called Scieno Sitter onto their computer. It works in a manner similar to every other parental protection program on the market today, except that it not only blocks any websites which have negative mention of the CoS, but actively reports on that attempt to access that website back to it's master server. It also works in other programs, like Messenger programs, Skype, and IRC, and actively works to filter or block mentions of scientology scandals using keywords.
2013-02-10 11:12:27 AM  
4 votes:

Kurmudgeon: lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane

Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.


Theist:  God created everything.

Atheist:  So who created God?

Theist:  God is eternal and uncreated!

Atheist:  Why can't the universe be eternal and uncreated?

Theist:  HAHAHAHA!  That's insane!!
2013-02-10 08:31:46 AM  
4 votes:

foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?


To understand what Scientology does and why it does it, understand its history.  In World War II, Lafayette Ronald Hubbard was a mediocre US Navy officer.  He was discharged after the war, and wrote the VA asking for psychiatric help for his emotional/mental problems in the late 1940's.  His request was denied on the grounds that there was no evidence his problems were tied to his military service.  He was already by this point a pulp sci-fi writer.  He devoted himself to studying self-help books and eastern religions.  Several years later he came out with Dianetics, a self-help book that blended elements of eastern religions (talk about reincarnation mostly) with a lot of 1950's era computer jargon.

He opened a chain of "Dianetics Centers" that practiced the "auditing" counseling he advocated, which basically involved being hooked up to a crude lie detector while recounting traumatic times in your life (and past lives) while in a trance.  The idea was that all your mental and emotional problems came from bad "memory engrams" you acquired, which you could delete with help.  However, Dianetics centers began to claim that they could treat pretty much anything with this treatment, that all human frailties and weaknesses were due to engrams.  They were sued for practicing medicine without a license.

Because of the past-life elements of their practices, they rebranded themselves as a religion: Scientology.  They claimed religious exemption.  L. Ron Hubbard set up headquarters in the UK, and created his own private naval paramilitary arm of Scientology: the Sea Organization "Sea Org", with himself as Commodore.  Decades of legal battles ensued, meanwhile Scientology spread by taking advantage of the fad towards self-help books and practices.

Their teachings are a pastiche of new age and eastern religions, with some self-help dogma and you start to get into the sci-fi stuff at the higher levels.  They basically teach that everybody has a "thetan" (what most people would call spirits/souls), and those thetans have potentially godlike power over the universe, but they have lost those powers through countless lifetimes of trauma.  They promise that they can make you happier, healthier and overall better by following their treatments to eliminate those obstructions to power, to achieve a state called "clear" where your mind/spirit is clear and you can think clearly and have superhuman power.  However, that's not enough, once you get "clear", the pressure builds to become an "Operating Thetan" and become even more powerful, by learning their inner secrets.  The whole "Xenu" saga is part of the doctrine revealed at Operating Thetan level III or "OT III" as it's often called.

Meanwhile, Scientology was caught in the 1970's and early 1980's in several major scandals.  The two biggest were what Scientology called "Operation Freakout", where an author named Paulette Cooper was writing an expose book on Scientology.  They framed her for writing threatening letters to the President, and she was in deep legal trouble before the frame-job was exposed.  Even larger was what CoS called "Operation Snow White", which was a massive conspiracy to infiltrate many US Government offices and destroy or steal all records and evidence against Scientology.  Mary Sue Hubbard, L. Ron Hubbards's wife, went to Federal prison for her role in organizing that scheme.

Somehow, after this, the IRS granted Scientology its tax-exempt status, and the IRS has disobeyed court orders to disclose why they dropped their decades-long objection to doing so.  Needless to say, blackmail is suspected, but can't be confirmed.

The medical establishments treatment of them as quacks was treated as a vast conspiracy of psychiatrists to oppress mankind, and Scientology picked up the eradication of psychiatry as one of its goals.

You pay for every step of the way.  There are two ways in Scientology to get ahead: pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for their services, or join the Sea Org (involving signing a contract to them for one billion years of service, if you die, your next incarnation is expected to report in when it reaches the age of 18) and basically be a minion.  Accounts of life in the Sea Org are pretty grim, unless you're one of the inner circle.

Scientology does NOT preach treating your fellow man with respect.  Many Scientology spokesmen have said "We are not a turn the other cheek" religion.  They preach that Scientology must be spread, at all costs.

Redeeming qualities?  None.  Everything it provides that has any redeeming value can be found in other religions.  Since its teachings are basically some bits of Buddhism with a heavy layering of sci-fi and self-help on top of it.

If you want to study Scientology but not end up paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Church of Scientology, look up the "Freezone", what is essentially "Protestant Scientology", former Scientologists who still believe in Scientology but practice it away from the CoS.  Because of trademark and IP law issues, they have to use a different name.  You don't hear much about them because they don't recruit, and basically keep to themselves.  No big PR budget, no celebrity members, no flashy temples.
2013-02-10 06:20:45 AM  
4 votes:
Madbassist1,

Well documented: Scientology's attack on the group and individuals running the Cult Awareness Network (CAN).  They coordinated more than 50 Scientology members to file lawsuits (50+ Lawsuits altogether) against CAN.   Even though they basically never succeeded with a claim, the cost of defending this onslaught of lawsuits put CAN into bankruptcy* and wrecked the financial status of most of the individuals who organized CAN because they were sued not only as officers of CAN but on an individual basis.

*Scientology subsequently bought the CAN name (Trademark) in the bankruptcy auction and changed all of the information about Scientology to be positive.

There are currently 4 deaths at the Narconon (Scientology owned and operated drug treatment centers and program) at their Oklahoma facility which are under criminal investigation.   Widely reported that many "patients" at the facility were not there of their own free will.   The OSBI (Okla State Bureau of Investigation) just started their investigation in late October and it's still ongoing as there are literally thousands of leads based on the place being in business since the early 1990's.

There is also quite a bit of solid information about the death of Lisa McPherson and how Scientologist basically held her against her will, and incommunicado, at their Ft. Harrison Hotel in Clearwater, FL until her death by malnutrition.

You may want to read:   Church of Scientology of California v. Gerald Armstrong, 232 Cal. App. 3d 1060; 283 Cal. Rptr. 917 (Ct. App. 1991).  Armstrong was a former member who had been put to work collecting documents and materials in an effort to create a written biography of L Ron Hubbard.   During the course of his work, he discovered original documents which basically contradicted most of Hubbard's claims about himself.  He came to realize it was a scam and he and his wife left Scientology.

The court case centered around the fact that Armstrong had made copies of much of the most damning evidence and kept it (actually sent it to his attorney.)  The California Ct of Appeals found that, contrary to the typical application of the law, that Armstrong was actually within his rights to keep what amounted to "Stolen Material" because he had a legitimate concern about his and his wife's safety and well being and that the copied documents were perhaps the only way he could keep the church from carrying out its threats against him.

Yes, you read that right - an appellate court found that the evidence of potential harm from the Church of Scientology was so great (threats of physical violence, unethical legal practices, etc.) that they actually OK'd the theft of documents to be used as a shield from such threats!   Let that sink in for a while and consider how much legitimate evidence of a threat the church could be, that a panel of judges agreed that stealing documents from them was legally justified!

Sorry, if you are incapable of finding numerous (well documented) instances of Scientology using their resources to go after people by use of bogus lawsuits and other means - you just aren't looking very damned hard. (or you're running a false flag operation under the guise of being some disinterested outside observer.  Something also which is well documented over the years on the part of Scientology)
2013-02-10 04:40:57 AM  
4 votes:

Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.


A minor can not enter into a contract in the US without proper legal oversight (the legal guardian signs the contract, but it must be in the child's best interest).  Also, a billion year contract isn't enforceable, anyway.

/IANAL
2013-02-10 04:06:36 AM  
4 votes:

Bucky Katt: In that picture David Miscavige looks like he's offering junk bonds to only a limited number of preferred clients.


You've pretty much nailed Scientology.  It's a whack authoritarian cult, a fraudulent diploma mill, junk security boiler room, and multilevel marketing ponzi scheme all rolled together.
2013-02-10 02:45:57 AM  
4 votes:
You'll never stop Scientology as long as it's backed by the US Government.

And it's protection from taxes as a religion is that backing, and is all it needs to win the long game.

Everyone thought the Mormons would go away too... until rich people realized they could hide their money in the Morman Church.
2013-02-10 02:44:02 AM  
4 votes:
My understanding is they pull up dirt on you early on as part of the therapy, then threaten to expose you for some messing around you did with the neighbor kid when you were 5.
2013-02-10 02:27:45 AM  
4 votes:

foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?


They teach everyone who isn't a Scientologist that cults are bad.
2013-02-10 02:26:16 AM  
4 votes:
What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?
2013-02-10 05:41:02 AM  
3 votes:

Madbassist1: Like I said, Einstein, I dont condone the church or its teachings. Only a moron would. Having said that, I havent seen any evidence of most of your post. Yeah they charge a fortune for their shiat, and yeah, they probably dont want people to have contact with non believers. Force? I doubt it. Also you keep using those words "well documented" I'm gonna have to inigo montoya you on that. I'd like to see some evidence of scientology extorting or destroying anyone. Not saying its not out there, just saying I've never seen it. Since its so well documented, maybe you can point me to it?


Read the books. <i>Bare-Faced Messiah</i> by Russell Miller, <i>Inside Scientology</i> by Janet Reitman, and <i>Going Clear</i> by Lawrence Wright. These are all written by respected journalists, not disgruntled ex-members. The psychological and physical abuse within the Sea Org is horrifying, and not at all exaggerated.

The average CoS member getting auditing and personality tests is not exposed to the worst of the organization. Sea Org members are in a whole different kind of hell; a cult within the cult. It is farked beyong belief.
2013-02-10 04:58:57 AM  
3 votes:

Madbassist1: I dont condone Scientology and think its a bunch of shiat, but I do know people who have been involved with it. These articles are all hyperbolic. The person I knew who was into it, and everyone he knew who left the org, juswt got in their cars and left when they were ready. No one 'forced' them to stay, or threatened them. If you read the article, it says the same here. Sure they tried to get them to reconsider,, but any organization would do that.


I don't know of many organizations which charge their members hundreds of thousands of dollars and require them to sign over all property and items of monitary value to it to advance in their faith.

There is overwhelming documentation of the Scientology practice of Fair Game and Dead Agenting. It is not hyperbole. It's a common tactic used to silence critics of the church, and was done to anons who were outed during the Op: Chanology frequently, along with massive legal threats.

No other organized religion in the United States has a history of doing that.

Scientology also has a well-documented history of forcing family members remaining in the church to cut off all contact with those who leave it, and declares them SP - Subversive Persons who are persona non grata to the church and it's members. In addition, another well documented practice is to collect dirt on members, and threaten/blackmail them with it.

If you're meaning physical force, the SeaOrg front group has a well documented history of using international maritime laws and shady legal tactics to force servitide of it's crews in unsafe ships and in environments that no maritime flag in the world would allow had they knew about it.

Other than that, Scientology is well known for using the dirt it collects on members, as well as legal contracts, to extort and destroy the lives of people who leave the church and are considered a threat.
2013-02-10 04:13:01 AM  
3 votes:

rev. dave: I'm surprised it has so many members and has survived so long


The real number of members is around 40,000, their numbers have been dropping fast in recent years.
They lie (shocking, i know) about their members count.
2013-02-10 04:10:39 AM  
3 votes:

gibbon1: Bucky Katt: In that picture David Miscavige looks like he's offering junk bonds to only a limited number of preferred clients.

You've pretty much nailed Scientology.  It's a whack authoritarian cult, a fraudulent diploma mill, junk security boiler room, and multilevel marketing ponzi scheme all rolled together.


Fun Fact: One of the many reasons that the 9/11 Responders Medical Fund legislation was delayed so long was the insistance by Narcanon, a Scientology Front Group, that their purification rundown which they had suckered a large portion of the FDNY into despite having no scientific evidence for it's effectiveness and despite obvious indoctrination of it's people into the cult, that it be eligable for reimbursement from the Government under it.
2013-02-10 03:44:51 AM  
3 votes:

starsrift: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

It's a free market economy.


johne3819: Xai: johne3819: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

Interesting thought.  You can't make the kid work for money, nor can you physically abuse them,  However, if you let the religion do it, it's all kosher?

This is exactly what I mean - If china has child labourers, you say that they are uncivilized and yet those children even have the choice to leave!

The US allows these crazy cults to exploit kids to virtual slavery and yet there are no charges brought? This is why the US is farked up.

Not sure where you're from, but here in 'merica, we don't preciate using Xtra letters


johne3819: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

Interesting thought.  You can't make the kid work for money, nor can you physically abuse them,  However, if you let the religion do it, it's all kosher?


Now, you do realize that this wasn't a real contract that would stand up in a court of law, right, but a prop someone made with a laser printer and some calligraphy on "parchment" letter paper to fool and intimidate a seven-year-old, right?
2013-02-10 03:07:21 AM  
3 votes:

foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?


The usual shiat you just mentioned.  Treat people right, do good, work hard to help your fellow man, etc.

The values that differ from the "regular" religions are mostly analogous; life is less important than magic soul reincarnation afterlife, modern medicinepsychiatry is dangerous and evil and a tool of the  devilMarcabian Death Fleet, don't trust them what tell you things that might make you disobey the church.   But it's the differences, the John Travolta forced work camps and 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, are more *interesting* because they are the parts that let you separate one glassy-eyed cultist from another.

And it's also important to remember that they are a cult, (here defined as, "small, unpopular, and insular religion.")  and all that goes with being a cult.  Cults have to oppress the hell out of their members, because if a Catholic decides to leave the flock, do acid and fark other men for 10 years before being "saved" that is a drop in the ocean of their base, but it's a full percentage point for some cults.  And historically speaking everything the CoS does now the RCC did back then.  Sometimes as recently as after the CoS was founded.

And they are terrorists, and they should take flack, and that should cost them their existence as other herds prove more comforting for the little sheep.  But that's another story.
2013-02-10 03:01:55 AM  
3 votes:

hotter than the ads: Therapy is a large component of Scientology at the lower levels.


It's not therapy. It's basically convincing the person that they have to be completely dependant on Scientology to be happy. It's programming and brainwashing at it's basic definition.

hotter than the ads: Therapy is a large component of Scientology at the lower levels. Whether or not there's any scientific validity to their practices, I think a large portion of humanity, regardless of religion or nationality, just need someone to talk to.


There's not.

And they need someone other than Scientologists to talk to.
2013-02-10 02:52:35 AM  
3 votes:
Scientology =/= the Catholic Church, dumbasses.  You can leave the Catholic Church.
2013-02-10 02:42:25 AM  
3 votes:

foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?


Well, it starts with confession. Which is nice, people like to talk about their problems, and it usually helps a person to "talk things out", even when they're an introvert or whatnot. But the goal of scientologists is supposedly self-improvement and freedom from human limitations of psyche and mentality. Strangely, this seems to be accomplished by oppressing the human and then giving him moments of freedom from oppression. This is kind of like half-drowning someone and letting them breathe every now and then. Unsurprisingly, they then become really happy about being able to breathe - or to discontinue the metaphor, stop being oppressed. Ta da!
2013-02-10 02:41:24 AM  
3 votes:

foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?


Therapy is a large component of Scientology at the lower levels. Whether or not there's any scientific validity to their practices, I think a large portion of humanity, regardless of religion or nationality, just need someone to talk to.
2013-02-10 02:35:06 AM  
3 votes:

Wolf892: It was really nice of her to write that book and do that interview right before her vehicle, and everyone in it, including herself went over that bridge and ended in the tragic loss of all their lives....


Honestly? She's probably guaranteeing her own safety now. She's already spoken- anything that happens to her now would be very carefully scrutinized and probably end up biting the church in the ass.

The intimidation tactics probably work better when they're trying to prevent someone from talking.
2013-02-10 02:35:00 AM  
3 votes:

He looks like a farking super villain.


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"President?! Do you know how much power I'd have to give up to be President?"
2013-02-10 02:21:06 AM  
3 votes:
Lulz!

You'd think this religion was made-up by a science-fiction writer.
2013-02-10 02:18:10 AM  
3 votes:
Scientology: The religion so wacky it makes mormons look sane.
2013-02-09 11:58:09 PM  
3 votes:
Still not any more insane than more traditional religions, like Oprahism or Voodoo.
2013-02-10 08:16:43 PM  
2 votes:

Madbassist1: Made fun of? LOL what are you, 12? (Its a rhetorical question, I know you are older). Why would I want to do a google search, theres plenty of good material right here in this thread that I can follow up on. Your wiki leading the charge. As I said earlier, your wiki and silvers case cite were the only cites in this thread worth a damn. Go reread them.No evidence at all just widely reported, some say and (this one really sucks) citing other articles as sources. Thats not reporting. Thats muckraking.


Then why are you being purposely obtuse for the point of being obtuse. I think you doth protest too much. While we're on the topic, I want to address something that you posted earlier in the thread.

Madbassist1: The person I knew who was into it, and everyone he knew who left the org, juswt got in theirtheir cars and left when they were ready. No one 'forced' them to stay, or threatened them. If you read the article, it says the same here. Sure they tried to get them to reconsider,, but any organization would do that.

For someone who doesn't "know anything" about Scientology, since you're wanting to play ignorant, you know an awful lot about the lingo that Scientology speaks about their group with. They have their own langauge, and calling it "the Org" is part of it.

So I really want you to be honest with us here. You're not as dumb as you're pretending to be, are you?
2013-02-10 12:08:02 PM  
2 votes:

Jake Havechek: Pascal was a wuss.


Not to mention having some blind spots.

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2013-02-10 11:47:15 AM  
2 votes:

Bungles: Sure it's apples and oranges, but I think you've got the worst offenders mixed up, because you're ignoring scale.


Alright, the churches are bad in different ways. But the fact remains that you don't even have to acknowledge that the Church exists to be a Christian. You can get a Bible and pray or sing a hymn or whatever it is they do and never set foot in a church or give anyone a dime and still be a Christian. Not so with Scientology. Why you people keep ignoring that glaring difference eludes me.

And I'm not white knighting Christianity. This applies to all other religions. Christianity is just the one that comes up the most when the "well other religions are just as bad" argument comes up.
2013-02-10 11:13:34 AM  
2 votes:
Silverstaff: Somehow, after this, the IRS granted Scientology its tax-exempt status, and the IRS has disobeyed court orders to disclose why they dropped their decades-long objection to doing so.  Needless to say, blackmail is suspected, but can't be confirmed. 

One of the major reasons the CoS got tax exempt status was because of Operation Snow White.  It essentially farked with the IRS so much that the IRS and the rest of the US Gov essentially gave up the argument about whether it was a religion or not and granted them tax exempt status.  In fact, the CoS managed not only to get the US Gov the acknowledge Scientology as a religion but it also allowed bases outside of the US to have a certain level of protection against foreign governments.  No other religion has these same protections.

Celebrities from the CoS still lean on US Gov officials to keep the government off the Church's back.  Tom Cruise spent a significant amount of time with Dick Cheney talking to him about the CoS.  They regularly use their celebrity power to influence local officials (particularly in Florida) to make certain cases go away, such as the case of Lisa McPhee.

I've done a lot of reading about the CoS and just finished Going Clear by Lawrence Wright.  It give a really good picture of what Scientology is.  A lot of the first generation Scientologist left or were forced out after Hubbard died and Miscavige took over.  Sea Org members really can't leave.  And if people do manage to escape, they are often found and brought back because they have no money and no family to go to.  It is like escaping from Mormon compounds.  There have been a few high profile defects recently, suck as Mark "Marty" Rathburn and Tommy Davis. But their lives are not at all pleasant now for it.
2013-02-10 10:27:49 AM  
2 votes:

TheBigJerk: This is different from sprinkling magic liquid (or just declaring at birth) that a baby can never leave the church their parents are a member of and must therefore obey the holy strictures (including working 14-hour days)...how?


You guys are desperate to equate Scientology with other religions and it just isn't happening.
2013-02-10 08:40:40 AM  
2 votes:

foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?


If you are a homosexual celebrity, they will bankroll you suing the living crap our of anyone who says it (while also blackmailing you with the same information, so it's a little double edged).

If you are a homosexual celebrity who needs a wife, they will create elaborate fake castings so that you can pick one.

If you are a depressed and lonely non-celebrity, they can provide you with a sense of meaning and belonging, for a while, until they bankrupt you and lock you in a box.
2013-02-10 06:09:27 AM  
2 votes:
Scientology is a tool specially designed by L. Ron Hubbard to seperate folks with large egos and not many brains from their wallets. Why do you think it's so successful in Hollywierd?
2013-02-10 05:34:05 AM  
2 votes:

Madbassist1: Like I said, Einstein, I dont condone the church or its teachings. Only a moron would.


I don't think I ever said you were, or accused you of doing that. You don't have to protest so much.

Madbassist1: Force? I doubt it. Also you keep using those words "well documented" I'm gonna have to inigo montoya you on that. I'd like to see some evidence of scientology extorting or destroying anyone. Not saying its not out there, just saying I've never seen it. Since its so well documented, maybe you can point me to it?


Well, for starters they instituted one of the largest criminal infiltration of the US Government in American History to silence their critics. They attempted to kidnap and drug one of their largest critics.

Their attempts at censorship and legal terrorism is what started the Operation Chanology movement.

And that's just the start. Operation Clambake, a website which has for almost a decade and a half presented the cult for what it is, is also a good resource.

Scientology: The Thriving Cult of Greed and Power

Sea Org: Sweatshop labor on the high seas.
Scientology: A criminal organization.
It hits the fan.
The Daily Fail

There are dozens of other news articles just with a single google search of "Scientology crimes and abuses". Start there, and educate yourself.
2013-02-10 04:45:18 AM  
2 votes:

TappingTheVein: rev. dave: I'm surprised it has so many members and has survived so long

The real number of members is around 40,000, their numbers have been dropping fast in recent years.
They lie (shocking, i know) about their members count.



The only people I 'know' that are Co$ are all living in Hollyweird.  I have seen a few of their store front places, but there never seems to be anyone in those places.  With their reliance on blackmail, I think the Co$ started losing members about the time coming out became commonplace.  And if some of the suspected big names in Co$ ever did come out as gay, the rest of the dominoes would fall, faster than the Berlin Wall.
2013-02-10 04:42:40 AM  
2 votes:

OgreMagi: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

A minor can not enter into a contract in the US without proper legal oversight (the legal guardian signs the contract, but it must be in the child's best interest).  Also, a billion year contract isn't enforceable, anyway.

/IANAL


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2013-02-10 04:31:28 AM  
2 votes:

Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.


You can convince a 7 year old to sign a contract all you like, it just has absolutely no legal meaning whatsoever.
2013-02-10 03:50:19 AM  
2 votes:

Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?


It's not.  Scientology is a lot like Columbia House.  They can ask you to sign a contract, but if you're under 18 it isn't legally binding.
2013-02-10 03:08:58 AM  
2 votes:

Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.


It's not. It's full of total BS. And everyone knows it at the highest echelons of Scientology.

It's not those contracts that, for the most part, keep their believers in line. It's the fear of the army of lawyers being unleashed upon them, and the fear of being dead agented and having their deepest secrets outed, true or not true. Every member of scientology has a dossier collected on them from the first audit of negative information.

Paper terrorism is a powerful motivator.
Xai
2013-02-10 03:05:23 AM  
2 votes:
how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.
2013-02-10 03:02:29 AM  
2 votes:
i41.photobucket.com


Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He's a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do, I swear for His own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. Ahaha. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughin' His sick, farkin' ass off! He's a tight-ass! He's a SADIST! He's an absentee landlord! Worship that? NEVER!
2013-02-10 02:38:46 AM  
2 votes:
I'm a little over halfway through her book. There are some seriously farked up things happening in the name of this 'religion'.
2013-02-10 02:22:52 AM  
2 votes:

Oldiron_79: Scientology: The religion so wacky it makes mormons look sane.


Bishop Mitt Romney weeps for you.
2013-02-10 02:20:34 AM  
2 votes:
In that picture David Miscavige looks like he's offering junk bonds to only  a limited number of preferred clients.
2013-02-10 12:02:22 AM  
2 votes:
They were married and sent on an assignment to Australia where - against church rules - they discovered TV and the Internet, where she read negative comments about her Uncle David.

TV is against church rules? Even Dharma & Greg?? JAG? Late seasons of Cheers?
2013-02-11 03:33:39 PM  
1 votes:

Sgt Otter: The dude from "Sons of Anarchy" who murdered his landlord then killed himself was going through Narconon.  CoS wiped all mention of him from their websites before his body was cold.


One of the requirements of the CoS is that you go off ANY psychiatric medications you're taking cold turkey. The church is very anti-psychiatry, and has been since Hubbard founded it.

They quickly memory hole anything about members who commit crimes or kill themselves after doing this to avoid liability and bad publicity.
2013-02-11 10:51:57 AM  
1 votes:

Madbassist1: LOL you got me. No seriously, my knowledge of the scientology is summed up in silverstaffs post and the southpark show on the subject. Seriously.

For the record, my opinion of the 'religion' is its utter hogwash completely manufactured to make those at the top rich. It's dreck from top to bottom, and there is absolutely no redeeming value in it that I can see. Once again, my issue is not with the cult itself, or with you guys, but rather with the lame-ass articles you guys are throwing out claiming they are sources. Most of that shiat is towing a very cautious line between muckracking and libel, and if you read carefully you can see that they are very careful in what they say, and how they say it, but then the end result is OMG!!! KIDNAPPING, SLAVE LABOR!!!! WOWZA!

It irritates me, that's all.


I'm sorry for accusing you for being less than honest about Scientology, but it's not to be an ass to you (I'm not really shy about doing that, as we both know.) It's a very common tactic for the CoS to use to have it's members defend or cast doubt upon criticism of the church on internet forums, while pretending not to know or be affiliated with them. Their shills are rather easy to identify usually because they'll slip up and use the language of the CoS (Scientologists have their own secret language. I don't know if they still update the definitions, but this mirrors a usenet post with definitions of them)

Members of Scientology do not refer to it as Scientology, they typically refer to it as "The Org"
2013-02-11 02:00:06 AM  
1 votes:

saturn badger: Dansker: saturn badger: Dansker: Christianity, Islam, Buddhism etc all originated in societies that were well aware that the sun appears to move across the sky because the Earth spins on it's axis.

Better ask Galileo about that one.

When Christianity was invented Galileo was more than 1500 years from being born. At that time there was no powerful Christian clericy to supress scientific theories and put heretics under house arrest, and the ideas of the ancient greeks hadn't yet been forgotten in the mediterranian.

I was specifically talking about the Christians.They thought the sun revolved around the earth and Galileo went against it and was punished for it. The Christians were not well aware of the sun. They thought the earth was the center of things. Others were a bit more enlightened.


And I was specifically talking about the time and place of the religions' origins, and the known theories of the universe at that time, which in the case of Christianity (or the Judaic sect it started out as) was 1500+ years before Galileo, and before the majority of the ancient greek scientific writings were lost to accidental fires, natural disasters and sheer vandalism, and their teachings were forgotten in Europe.
2013-02-11 12:34:48 AM  
1 votes:

saturn badger: Dansker: Christianity, Islam, Buddhism etc all originated in societies that were well aware that the sun appears to move across the sky because the Earth spins on it's axis.

Better ask Galileo about that one.


When Christianity was invented Galileo was more than 1500 years from being born. At that time there was no powerful Christian clericy to supress scientific theories and put heretics under house arrest, and the ideas of the ancient greeks hadn't yet been forgotten in the mediterranian.
2013-02-10 10:45:18 PM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: For someone who doesn't "know anything" about Scientology, since you're wanting to play ignorant, you know an awful lot about the lingo that Scientology speaks about their group with. They have their own langauge, and calling it "the Org" is part of it.

So I really want you to be honest with us here. You're not as dumb as you're pretending to be, are you?


That's been my strong impression since about his 2nd or 3rd post.

As I said earlier, this really smacks of a false flag operation with a very willing advocate for Scientology trying to play all neutral and coy.  There's very little other explanation for the absolute refusal to acknowledge a lot of past involvement of Scientology in any number of illegal and/or unethical behaviors that are worthy of condemnation.  Either he's one of the world's leading examples of how to be obtuse, or he's a shill with an agenda.
2013-02-10 08:41:46 PM  
1 votes:

hotter than the ads: foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?

Therapy is a large component of Scientology at the lower levels. Whether or not there's any scientific validity to their practices, I think a large portion of humanity, regardless of religion or nationality, just need someone to talk to.


The therapy they administer is brainwashing.
2013-02-10 08:12:10 PM  
1 votes:

Madbassist1: , theres plenty of good material right here in this thread that I can follow up on. Your wiki leading the charge. As I said earlier, your wiki and silvers case cite were the only cites in this thread worth a damn.


Operation Clambake is a pretty good starting point too, as long as you keep your critical thinking organ engaged.
2013-02-10 05:43:00 PM  
1 votes:

Mugato: TheBigJerk: This is different from sprinkling magic liquid (or just declaring at birth) that a baby can never leave the church their parents are a member of and must therefore obey the holy strictures (including working 14-hour days)...how?

You guys are desperate to equate Scientology with other religions and it just isn't happening.


Thank you. It seems these "faithful" see a criticism about one of them (the cult) is an attack against all of them. (Kinda like gun nuts believe if the mentally ill aren't allowed to have rocket launchers, Obama is taking everyone's guns away.)
2013-02-10 04:58:53 PM  
1 votes:

Space_Poet: I tried reading Dianetics once


I tried reading Dianetics and Atlas Shrugged when I was a kid. As my wont back then I opened both to a random page and started reading.... nope.jpg.  That's the trick with books, read a random page and either you'll want to start reading from the beginning or not.

\Grew up in California.
\\Natural immunity against cults.
2013-02-10 04:26:39 PM  
1 votes:

douchebag/hater: Kome: Still not any more insane than more traditional religions, like Oprahism or Voodoo.

Aaaaaaaand we're done!

lovefirststool: Oldiron_79: Scientology: The religion so wacky it makes mormons look sane.

Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane. Mormons, Muslims, and whatever other dredge are the philosophical retards of our Johnny come lately made up dogma.

Wow. I bet you consider yourself 'tolerant' too.


Me? Noooo.

I could see how faith or belief could help on a personal level. Why do I have cancer? Why did mom die? Why is my ball team losing?

But religion, any religion, the institution, the whole man-made man-driven crusade-making, suicide-bombing, inquisitioning, child diddling fark up is worthless. Maybe it had a purpose at some point. Now it's an ongoing erosion of humanity and excuse for willful ignorance.

And no, I don't have a particularly high opinion of my fellow man, and yes, I'm a fairly intolerant arsehole. Just like your god made me.
2013-02-10 02:47:56 PM  
1 votes:

douchebag/hater: PunGent: Kurmudgeon: lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane

Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.

Atheism is a religion like Not Collecting Stamps is a hobby.

Interesting how strong projection is in some folks, though.

Get back to us when people start writing books on 'How To Not Collect Stamps' and we will have something to discuss.

See the trouble with vocal atheists is just that: their vocalization.


If only they would be SILENT, and HIDE from persecuters and pretend to be good little theists like back when atheism was a crime.  How dare they write self-help books telling people "It's okay, you're not alone in the world, the overbearing church that heaps shame and hate upon you every day is not the only thing in the world," and the like?

Monsters, that's what.
Ehh
2013-02-10 02:13:12 PM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

It's not. It's full of total BS. And everyone knows it at the highest echelons of Scientology.

It's not those contracts that, for the most part, keep their believers in line. It's the fear of the army of lawyers being unleashed upon them, and the fear of being dead agented and having their deepest secrets outed, true or not true. Every member of scientology has a dossier collected on them from the first audit of negative information.

Paper terrorism is a powerful motivator.


Just ask Joan Wood.
2013-02-10 01:29:33 PM  
1 votes:

Dansker: Farking Canuck:
Ummm ... the aim of all religions is to line the pockets of their rulers.

No, that may be the aim of most clerical systems, but Christian dogma tells its followers to give up their possessions and share their riches with the needy (not the needy priests, mind you), and the same goes for Buddhism.


Yes they say this but it is really hard to hear them from behind their huge piles of money. Scam artists tell you their snake-oil works ... this does not make it true.
2013-02-10 12:51:32 PM  
1 votes:
She was on the Opie and Anthony show on Friday. It was an interesting interview. Can't post a link on the phone though, but the whole thing is on YouTube.
2013-02-10 11:57:43 AM  
1 votes:
Pascal was a wuss.
2013-02-10 10:58:29 AM  
1 votes:

Mugato: Bungles: There really isn't true of one of the largest and fastest growing Christian congregations in the US: TV-based evangelical churches. The push and thrust for your money there is every bit as aggressive as the Scientologists.

Stop pretending that quaint Miss Marple Church of England church-roof-fund collection plate and occasional bric-a-brac sales is in any way representative of the majority of US Christian churches.

They're not as aggressive as the Scientologists. You don't have to go to those churches. And if you go, you don't have to pay. In Scientology you have to pay a specific amount if you want to stay and even if you want them to tell you what their beliefs are. Apples and Oranges.


Just think about the scale difference though.

Current estimates put the total Scientology congregation at no more than 20 or 30 thousand.

That's fewer than than estimates of the children raped by clergy of the of the Catholic Church in Ireland alone.

It's fewer than the congregation of a single mega church, pouring their money away to a snakeoil fraudster.

It's fewer than the single mothers kept as slaves in laundriesby the Catholic Church.

Sure it's apples and oranges, but I think you've got the worst offenders mixed up, because you're ignoring scale.
2013-02-10 10:12:34 AM  
1 votes:

Farking Canuck: SpdrJay: Lulz!

You'd think this religion was made-up by a science-fiction writer.

As opposed to cave men like all the other religions.


All currently existing religions originated some time within the past 5000 years, in fairly well organized societies.
Cave men? You need to read up on human history.
2013-02-10 10:00:28 AM  
1 votes:

Madbassist1: Silverstaff: foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?

To understand what Scientology does and why it does it, understand its history.  In World War II, Lafayette Ronald Hubbard was a mediocre US Navy officer.  He was discharged after the war, and wrote the VA asking for psychiatric help for his emotional/mental problems in the late 1940's.  His request was denied on the grounds that there was no evidence his problems were tied to his military service.  He was already by this point a pulp sci-fi writer.  He devoted himself to studying self-help books and eastern religions.  Several years later he came out with Dianetics, a self-help book that blended elements of eastern religions (talk about reincarnation mostly) with a lot of 1950's era computer jargon.

He opened a chain of "Dianetics Centers" that practiced the "auditing" counseling he advocated, which basically involved being hooked up to a crude lie detector while recounting traumatic times in your life (and past lives) while in a trance.  The idea was that all your mental and emotional problems came from bad "memory engrams" you acquired, which you could delete with help.  However, Dianetics centers began to claim that they could treat pretty much anything with this treatment, that all human frailties and weaknesses were due to engrams.  They were sued for practicing medicine without a license.

Because of the past-life elements of their practices, they rebranded themselves as a religion: Scientology.  They claimed religious exemption.  L. Ron Hubbard set up headquarters in the UK, and created his own private naval paramilitary arm of Scientology: the Sea Organization "Sea Org", with ...


Are there sources you would accept as legitimate? Because, so far you've attacked the source of all linked articles that others have offered. The Tampa Bay/St Petersburg Times archives have decades of stories about Scientology's misdeeds, including the Lisa McPhereson story.

Educate yourself. You've made the assertion that there is no documented evidence of criminal activity. You have been thoroughly rebutted. Now provide cites for your assertion.

Or 10/10. Weapons Grade Obtuseness
2013-02-10 09:31:00 AM  
1 votes:

Bungles: There really isn't true of one of the largest and fastest growing Christian congregations in the US: TV-based evangelical churches. The push and thrust for your money there is every bit as aggressive as the Scientologists.

Stop pretending that quaint Miss Marple Church of England church-roof-fund collection plate and occasional bric-a-brac sales is in any way representative of the majority of US Christian churches.


For every televangelist begging for money on TV and every megachurch shilling for god, you've got hundreds of smaller churches passing around the plate quietly.

Yeah, I'd say that the little bake sales and passing the collection plate is much more representative of the typical American Christian church than publicity whores with crosses.  You hear about the megachurches and televangelists because of money and marketing, but there are hundreds of thousands of smaller churches that are much more humble about the whole affair.

It's like saying that octomom and Casey Anthony are typical American mothers because you see them more on TV.  Being all over the media does not indicate being typical of anything.
2013-02-10 09:10:57 AM  
1 votes:

I drunk what: ORLY?


There's a difference between passing the collection plate at a church you don't even have to attend to be a Christian and charging people. You can buy a Bible for $10, steal one from a motel, a church might even give you one. They don't tell you the secrets of Scientology until you pay.

So yeah, kind of a difference.
2013-02-10 08:00:00 AM  
1 votes:

Waldo Pepper: Arumat: Waldo Pepper: PunGent: Kurmudgeon: lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane

Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.

Atheism is a religion like Not Collecting Stamps is a hobby.

Interesting how strong projection is in some folks, though.

it is the religion of fooling oneself into believing science is god.

Atheism isn't believing science is god.  It's believing that there is neither a god or a need for one.

keeping telling yourself that and you will always be wrong


Keep telling atheists what they believe, and you'll always sound like an idiot.
2013-02-10 07:56:01 AM  
1 votes:

HotWingAgenda:
What worries me is the chance that a few weeks from now we'll see all the headlines about how this girl is a fraud who really grew up in a Roman Catholic household and a normal family, etc.  Scientology is crazy, but this kind of supposed internal leak is too good to be true.  What if this Miscavige creep never returned her calls because he really has no connection to her?


You can stop worrying. She's one of the founders of exscientologykids.com, and has been speaking out against the church for years without anyone claiming she's a fraud.
Scientology is not denying her existense or her connection to the church; they have publicly acknowledged who she is, and that she was a member:
..The Church will not discuss private matters involving Ms. Hill, nor any of the efforts to exploit Mr. Miscavige's name.
We note that recollections in Ms. Hill's book about her schooling are dramatically at odds with the recollections of 30 of her classmates [...] it should be noted that once her time at the school was completed Ms. Hill as an adult voluntarily chose to continue in the Church's religious order (etc.)
2013-02-10 07:37:50 AM  
1 votes:
ultraholland: meh, she's got a John Travolta chin

that's a ballsy statement.
2013-02-10 07:05:33 AM  
1 votes:

Waldo Pepper: PunGent: Kurmudgeon: lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane

Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.

Atheism is a religion like Not Collecting Stamps is a hobby.

Interesting how strong projection is in some folks, though.

it is the religion of fooling oneself into believing science is god.


Atheism isn't believing science is god.  It's believing that there is neither a god or a need for one.
2013-02-10 07:04:44 AM  
1 votes:

PunGent: Kurmudgeon: lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane

Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.

Atheism is a religion like Not Collecting Stamps is a hobby.

Interesting how strong projection is in some folks, though.


And Milhouse is not a meme is a meme. If you don't understand what that means in this context, then I'd probably refrain from quoting hack magicians in the near future... Or perhaps reading some of those "science" books I bet you tell everyone you love.
2013-02-10 06:51:01 AM  
1 votes:
In all (relative) seriousness that is possible here, The church of scientology reminds me of Best Korea.
2013-02-10 06:21:34 AM  
1 votes:

BigBooper: OK. I'll bite. Why? Why is established scientific theory insane?


If you bit, why did you change the question? Rather disingenuous of you, I'd say.
There's plenty of scientists who are members of different faiths, try again.
2013-02-10 06:20:01 AM  
1 votes:

Ral: Miscavige just radiates "evil supervillain" in just about every picture I've ever seen of him.  It's so stark it's comical.


The best supervillians don't radiate anything like that. Which is how they get away with it.
I'm looking at you James Taylor.
2013-02-10 05:46:02 AM  
1 votes:

Kurmudgeon: lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane

Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.


Atheism is a religion like Not Collecting Stamps is a hobby.

Interesting how strong projection is in some folks, though.
2013-02-10 05:26:39 AM  
1 votes:

Madbassist1: Like I said, Einstein, I dont condone the church or its teachings. Only a moron would. Having said that, I havent seen any evidence of most of your post. Yeah they charge a fortune for their shiat, and yeah, they probably dont want people to have contact with non believers. Force? I doubt it. Also you keep using those words "well documented" I'm gonna have to inigo montoya you on that. I'd like to see some evidence of scientology extorting or destroying anyone. Not saying its not out there, just saying I've never seen it. Since its so well documented, maybe you can point me to it?


Holy Fark, are you serious? Do you not have access to GOOGLE on the planet you live on? You might as well be claiming that there's no proof that the Holocaust really happened.

You are either fantastically uninformed, or your a shill for the Scientologists.
2013-02-10 05:14:31 AM  
1 votes:

Kome: Still not any more insane than more traditional religions, like Oprahism or Voodoo.


Yeah, but voodoo is way cooler. They get to sacrifice chickens and dance around a big black guy in a white suit. That beats having to put up with Tom Cruise any day.
2013-02-10 04:49:22 AM  
1 votes:

lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane


Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.
2013-02-10 04:41:38 AM  
1 votes:

Jon iz teh kewl: isn't the whole purpose of religion is to REFORM conceal CRIMINALS.../


FTFY
Xai
2013-02-10 03:25:52 AM  
1 votes:

johne3819: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

Interesting thought.  You can't make the kid work for money, nor can you physically abuse them,  However, if you let the religion do it, it's all kosher?


This is exactly what I mean - If china has child labourers, you say that they are uncivilized and yet those children even have the choice to leave!

The US allows these crazy cults to exploit kids to virtual slavery and yet there are no charges brought? This is why the US is farked up.
2013-02-10 03:17:55 AM  
1 votes:
Read "Blown For Good" due to someone's recommendation here.  Good book. Also picked up the more recent one... looking forward to that.

For that matter no one has seen  Miscavige's wife in a long time.  That was also mentioned in BFG.
2013-02-10 03:11:36 AM  
1 votes:

TheBigJerk: foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?

The usual shiat you just mentioned.  Treat people right, do good, work hard to help your fellow man, etc.

The values that differ from the "regular" religions are mostly analogous; life is less important than magic soul reincarnation afterlife, modern medicinepsychiatry is dangerous and evil and a tool of the  devilMarcabian Death Fleet, don't trust them what tell you things that might make you disobey the church.   But it's the differences, the John Travolta forced work camps and 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, are more *interesting* because they are the parts that let you separate one glassy-eyed cultist from another.

And it's also important to remember that they are a cult, (here defined as, "small, unpopular, and insular religion.")  and all that goes with being a cult.  Cults have to oppress the hell out of their members, because if a Catholic decides to leave the flock, do acid and fark other men for 10 years before being "saved" that is a drop in the ocean of their base, but it's a full percentage point for some cults.  And historically speaking everything the CoS does now the RCC did back then.  Sometimes as recently as after the CoS was founded.

And they are terrorists, and they should take flack, and that should cost them their existence as other herds prove more comforting for the little sheep.  But that's another story.


every time i see CoS i think of

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2013-02-10 03:08:28 AM  
1 votes:

Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.


Interesting thought.  You can't make the kid work for money, nor can you physically abuse them,  However, if you let the religion do it, it's all kosher?
2013-02-10 02:52:25 AM  
1 votes:

HotWingAgenda: Wolf892: Genevieve Marie: Wolf892: It was really nice of her to write that book and do that interview right before her vehicle, and everyone in it, including herself went over that bridge and ended in the tragic loss of all their lives....

Honestly? She's probably guaranteeing her own safety now. She's already spoken- anything that happens to her now would be very carefully scrutinized and probably end up biting the church in the ass.

The intimidation tactics probably work better when they're trying to prevent someone from talking.

But think of all the things she has yet to say. After her first book is a success she'll want to do another one...and she'll want to help lead the charge to get more members out of the cult...nope, an "accident" is still something that can be very possible in her future. And who cares if a light is flashed on that cult? They'll just lawyer up and double down on keeping quiet or lying their assess off....If the wife of the guy who runs the whole thing can disappear, then absolutly a niece can.

What worries me is the chance that a few weeks from now we'll see all the headlines about how this girl is a fraud who really grew up in a Roman Catholic household and a normal family, etc.  Scientology is crazy, but this kind of supposed internal leak is too good to be true.  What if this Miscavige creep never returned her calls because he really has no connection to her?


DNA should clear that up....but...and I'm just adjusting my tin foil hat now, if that were to happen, it would probably be the Scientologists behind those reports trying to say she's a no body/crazy person.
2013-02-10 02:50:01 AM  
1 votes:

starsrift: johne3819: From what I've learned, the auditors take copious notes on these sessions.  They are then used to control the confessor to toe the church line.

This is all heresay and conjecture, but it's been consistent in my readings

Yeah, that's part of the stick, but foo monkey was asking about the carrot.


I hear that, but I haven't heard much carrot, it's more like stay clean or else!
2013-02-10 02:48:22 AM  
1 votes:

UsikFark: My understanding is they pull up dirt on you early on as part of the therapy, then threaten to expose you for some messing around you did with the neighbor kid when you were 5.


And this as well.  They seem to be the Eddie Haskell of religions.  The conman, and you are the mark
2013-02-10 02:47:33 AM  
1 votes:

johne3819: From what I've learned, the auditors take copious notes on these sessions.  They are then used to control the confessor to toe the church line.

This is all heresay and conjecture, but it's been consistent in my readings


Yeah, that's part of the stick, but foo monkey was asking about the carrot.
2013-02-10 02:46:17 AM  
1 votes:

starsrift: foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?

Well, it starts with confession. Which is nice, people like to talk about their problems, and it usually helps a person to "talk things out", even when they're an introvert or whatnot. But the goal of scientologists is supposedly self-improvement and freedom from human limitations of psyche and mentality. Strangely, this seems to be accomplished by oppressing the human and then giving him moments of freedom from oppression. This is kind of like half-drowning someone and letting them breathe every now and then. Unsurprisingly, they then become really happy about being able to breathe - or to discontinue the metaphor, stop being oppressed. Ta da!


From what I've learned, the auditors take copious notes on these sessions.  They are then used to control the confessor to toe the church line.

This is all heresay and conjecture, but it's been consistent in my readings
2013-02-10 02:41:26 AM  
1 votes:

Genevieve Marie: Wolf892: It was really nice of her to write that book and do that interview right before her vehicle, and everyone in it, including herself went over that bridge and ended in the tragic loss of all their lives....

Honestly? She's probably guaranteeing her own safety now. She's already spoken- anything that happens to her now would be very carefully scrutinized and probably end up biting the church in the ass.

The intimidation tactics probably work better when they're trying to prevent someone from talking.


But think of all the things she has yet to say. After her first book is a success she'll want to do another one...and she'll want to help lead the charge to get more members out of the cult...nope, an "accident" is still something that can be very possible in her future. And who cares if a light is flashed on that cult? They'll just lawyer up and double down on keeping quiet or lying their assess off....If the wife of the guy who runs the whole thing can disappear, then absolutly a niece can.
2013-02-10 02:35:02 AM  
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I'm surprised it has so many members and has survived so long.   I guess I have an overly high opinion of humanity.  There are certain levels of control from a person or organization which go over the line for almost everyone.  It seems they are way past that.
It could be that there is a totalitarian feel to it, like North Korea.  If you get out, you never get to see your family again.   Do they threaten to harm the family after someone leaves?
2013-02-10 02:34:19 AM  
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What are the odds of her "disappearing" like the guy's wife?
2013-02-10 02:29:19 AM  
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It was really nice of her to write that book and do that interview right before her vehicle, and everyone in it, including herself went over that bridge and ended in the tragic loss of all their lives....
2013-02-10 02:29:09 AM  
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Atomic Spunk: foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?

They teach everyone who isn't a Scientologist that cults are bad.


don't forget the "if you're not in the 'church,' you're a threat part"
2013-02-10 02:26:08 AM  
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Lots of people getting out of whackjob religions lately.  I wonder how long it'll be until people start going public with their death-defying escapes from the Vatican.
2013-02-10 02:19:00 AM  
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Ugly blemish removed.
2013-02-10 02:14:20 AM  
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I guess you could say, it's a......Miscavige  of Justice......
2013-02-10 12:13:16 AM  
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fusillade762: They were married and sent on an assignment to Australia where - against church rules - they discovered TV and the Internet, where she read negative comments about her Uncle David.

TV is against church rules? Even Dharma & Greg?? JAG? Late seasons of Cheers?


Even the first three seasons of Welcome Back, Kotter, and My Name Is Earl.
 
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