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Xai
2013-02-10 03:05:23 AM
how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.
 
2013-02-10 03:06:54 AM

Jerseysteve22: Scientology =/= the Catholic Church, dumbasses.  You can leave the Catholic Church.


You simply say, "I break with thee! I break with thee! I break with thee!" and then throw dog poop on the Pope's shoes.
 
2013-02-10 03:07:21 AM

foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?


The usual shiat you just mentioned.  Treat people right, do good, work hard to help your fellow man, etc.

The values that differ from the "regular" religions are mostly analogous; life is less important than magic soul reincarnation afterlife, modern medicinepsychiatry is dangerous and evil and a tool of the  devilMarcabian Death Fleet, don't trust them what tell you things that might make you disobey the church.   But it's the differences, the John Travolta forced work camps and 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, are more *interesting* because they are the parts that let you separate one glassy-eyed cultist from another.

And it's also important to remember that they are a cult, (here defined as, "small, unpopular, and insular religion.")  and all that goes with being a cult.  Cults have to oppress the hell out of their members, because if a Catholic decides to leave the flock, do acid and fark other men for 10 years before being "saved" that is a drop in the ocean of their base, but it's a full percentage point for some cults.  And historically speaking everything the CoS does now the RCC did back then.  Sometimes as recently as after the CoS was founded.

And they are terrorists, and they should take flack, and that should cost them their existence as other herds prove more comforting for the little sheep.  But that's another story.
 
2013-02-10 03:07:44 AM

Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.


It's a free market economy.
 
2013-02-10 03:08:18 AM

Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.


It's not. Any contract entered into by a minor is also voidable by the minor.
 
2013-02-10 03:08:28 AM

Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.


Interesting thought.  You can't make the kid work for money, nor can you physically abuse them,  However, if you let the religion do it, it's all kosher?
 
2013-02-10 03:08:58 AM

Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.


It's not. It's full of total BS. And everyone knows it at the highest echelons of Scientology.

It's not those contracts that, for the most part, keep their believers in line. It's the fear of the army of lawyers being unleashed upon them, and the fear of being dead agented and having their deepest secrets outed, true or not true. Every member of scientology has a dossier collected on them from the first audit of negative information.

Paper terrorism is a powerful motivator.
 
2013-02-10 03:09:29 AM

Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.


especially when you could simply eat a $0.01 Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seed.  and get yourself Clear the old fashioned way
 
2013-02-10 03:10:19 AM

foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?


The cult leaders get lots of money in this pyramid-like scheme. That might make up for eternity in hell, but I'm dubious.
 
2013-02-10 03:11:30 AM

BronyMedic: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

It's not. It's full of total BS. And everyone knows it at the highest echelons of Scientology.

It's not those contracts that, for the most part, keep their believers in line. It's the fear of the army of lawyers being unleashed upon them, and the fear of being dead agented and having their deepest secrets outed, true or not true. Every member of scientology has a dossier collected on them from the first audit of negative information.

Paper terrorism is a powerful motivator.


I doubt they even try and make a line of 'negative information'  They may preach such things, but I bet they keep al the info.
 
2013-02-10 03:11:36 AM

TheBigJerk: foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?

The usual shiat you just mentioned.  Treat people right, do good, work hard to help your fellow man, etc.

The values that differ from the "regular" religions are mostly analogous; life is less important than magic soul reincarnation afterlife, modern medicinepsychiatry is dangerous and evil and a tool of the  devilMarcabian Death Fleet, don't trust them what tell you things that might make you disobey the church.   But it's the differences, the John Travolta forced work camps and 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, are more *interesting* because they are the parts that let you separate one glassy-eyed cultist from another.

And it's also important to remember that they are a cult, (here defined as, "small, unpopular, and insular religion.")  and all that goes with being a cult.  Cults have to oppress the hell out of their members, because if a Catholic decides to leave the flock, do acid and fark other men for 10 years before being "saved" that is a drop in the ocean of their base, but it's a full percentage point for some cults.  And historically speaking everything the CoS does now the RCC did back then.  Sometimes as recently as after the CoS was founded.

And they are terrorists, and they should take flack, and that should cost them their existence as other herds prove more comforting for the little sheep.  But that's another story.


every time i see CoS i think of

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-02-10 03:12:04 AM

johne3819: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

Interesting thought.  You can't make the kid work for money, nor can you physically abuse them,  However, if you let the religion do it, it's all kosher?


Well you cant pay a woman for sex because thats prostitution and illegal, unless you tape it then its just making a porn.
 
2013-02-10 03:12:53 AM

gregscott: foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?

The cult leaders get lots of money in this pyramid-like scheme. That might make up for eternity in hell, but I'm dubious.


a couple years in limbo is nothing compared to the life on Earth! :)
 
2013-02-10 03:17:25 AM

Oldiron_79: johne3819: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

Interesting thought.  You can't make the kid work for money, nor can you physically abuse them,  However, if you let the religion do it, it's all kosher?

Well you cant pay a woman for sex because thats prostitution and illegal, unless you tape it then its just making a porn.


touche' and you can take one bet, but multiple bets and your keeping book
 
2013-02-10 03:17:55 AM
Read "Blown For Good" due to someone's recommendation here.  Good book. Also picked up the more recent one... looking forward to that.

For that matter no one has seen  Miscavige's wife in a long time.  That was also mentioned in BFG.
 
2013-02-10 03:21:04 AM
Came here for the girl on girl comments involving Megan Phelps and Jenna Mescavige...

smoking nieces leaving their churches and religions for some naughty girl on girl anti religious super double all night fark session... it would only be worse if their uncles could watch

/Fark I am disappoint

// Jesus would approve
 
2013-02-10 03:24:05 AM

Notabunny: Jerseysteve22: Scientology =/= the Catholic Church, dumbasses.  You can leave the Catholic Church.

You simply say, "I break with thee! I break with thee! I break with thee!" and then throw dog poop on the Pope's shoes.


Enjoy the cool weather that winter brings, because I hear the climate of hell is alot warmer.
 
Xai
2013-02-10 03:25:52 AM

johne3819: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

Interesting thought.  You can't make the kid work for money, nor can you physically abuse them,  However, if you let the religion do it, it's all kosher?


This is exactly what I mean - If china has child labourers, you say that they are uncivilized and yet those children even have the choice to leave!

The US allows these crazy cults to exploit kids to virtual slavery and yet there are no charges brought? This is why the US is farked up.
 
2013-02-10 03:31:40 AM

Xai: johne3819: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

Interesting thought.  You can't make the kid work for money, nor can you physically abuse them,  However, if you let the religion do it, it's all kosher?

This is exactly what I mean - If china has child labourers, you say that they are uncivilized and yet those children even have the choice to leave!

The US allows these crazy cults to exploit kids to virtual slavery and yet there are no charges brought? This is why the US is farked up.


Not sure where you're from, but here in 'merica, we don't preciate using Xtra letters
 
2013-02-10 03:33:54 AM

Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.


"Put on your work boots and respirator--I had to pull a lotta strings to get 'em to hire a nine-year old."
 
2013-02-10 03:34:20 AM
isn't the whole purpose of religion to REFORM CRIMINALS.../
 
2013-02-10 03:36:14 AM

Xai: johne3819: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

Interesting thought.  You can't make the kid work for money, nor can you physically abuse them,  However, if you let the religion do it, it's all kosher?

This is exactly what I mean - If china has child labourers, you say that they are uncivilized and yet those children even have the choice to leave!

The US allows these crazy cults to exploit kids to virtual slavery and yet there are no charges brought? This is why the US is farked up.


But seriously, It's to preserve the real religions. Like allowing 1000 guilty to go free to ensure the justice of one innocent.
 
2013-02-10 03:44:51 AM

starsrift: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

It's a free market economy.


johne3819: Xai: johne3819: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

Interesting thought.  You can't make the kid work for money, nor can you physically abuse them,  However, if you let the religion do it, it's all kosher?

This is exactly what I mean - If china has child labourers, you say that they are uncivilized and yet those children even have the choice to leave!

The US allows these crazy cults to exploit kids to virtual slavery and yet there are no charges brought? This is why the US is farked up.

Not sure where you're from, but here in 'merica, we don't preciate using Xtra letters


johne3819: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

Interesting thought.  You can't make the kid work for money, nor can you physically abuse them,  However, if you let the religion do it, it's all kosher?


Now, you do realize that this wasn't a real contract that would stand up in a court of law, right, but a prop someone made with a laser printer and some calligraphy on "parchment" letter paper to fool and intimidate a seven-year-old, right?
 
2013-02-10 03:50:19 AM

Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?


It's not.  Scientology is a lot like Columbia House.  They can ask you to sign a contract, but if you're under 18 it isn't legally binding.
 
2013-02-10 03:54:09 AM
"It doesn't taste good," she adds. "It tastes like feet."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v_BE6lFE0o
 
2013-02-10 04:06:36 AM

Bucky Katt: In that picture David Miscavige looks like he's offering junk bonds to only a limited number of preferred clients.


You've pretty much nailed Scientology.  It's a whack authoritarian cult, a fraudulent diploma mill, junk security boiler room, and multilevel marketing ponzi scheme all rolled together.
 
2013-02-10 04:08:12 AM
"she simply got in a car with Dallas and left."

Wow. Harrowing escape!
 
2013-02-10 04:10:39 AM

gibbon1: Bucky Katt: In that picture David Miscavige looks like he's offering junk bonds to only a limited number of preferred clients.

You've pretty much nailed Scientology.  It's a whack authoritarian cult, a fraudulent diploma mill, junk security boiler room, and multilevel marketing ponzi scheme all rolled together.


Fun Fact: One of the many reasons that the 9/11 Responders Medical Fund legislation was delayed so long was the insistance by Narcanon, a Scientology Front Group, that their purification rundown which they had suckered a large portion of the FDNY into despite having no scientific evidence for it's effectiveness and despite obvious indoctrination of it's people into the cult, that it be eligable for reimbursement from the Government under it.
 
2013-02-10 04:13:01 AM

rev. dave: I'm surprised it has so many members and has survived so long


The real number of members is around 40,000, their numbers have been dropping fast in recent years.
They lie (shocking, i know) about their members count.
 
2013-02-10 04:13:16 AM

oMaJoJ: He looks like a farking super villain.
*snip*


No he doesn't.

i1222.photobucket.com

He looks like a little man who's overcompensating.
 
2013-02-10 04:31:28 AM

Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.


You can convince a 7 year old to sign a contract all you like, it just has absolutely no legal meaning whatsoever.
 
2013-02-10 04:36:04 AM
i309.photobucket.com


"Neiiiiiice!"
i41.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-10 04:40:57 AM

Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.


A minor can not enter into a contract in the US without proper legal oversight (the legal guardian signs the contract, but it must be in the child's best interest).  Also, a billion year contract isn't enforceable, anyway.

/IANAL
 
2013-02-10 04:41:38 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: isn't the whole purpose of religion is to REFORM conceal CRIMINALS.../


FTFY
 
2013-02-10 04:42:40 AM

OgreMagi: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

A minor can not enter into a contract in the US without proper legal oversight (the legal guardian signs the contract, but it must be in the child's best interest).  Also, a billion year contract isn't enforceable, anyway.

/IANAL


CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!

morethings.com
 
2013-02-10 04:45:18 AM

TappingTheVein: rev. dave: I'm surprised it has so many members and has survived so long

The real number of members is around 40,000, their numbers have been dropping fast in recent years.
They lie (shocking, i know) about their members count.



The only people I 'know' that are Co$ are all living in Hollyweird.  I have seen a few of their store front places, but there never seems to be anyone in those places.  With their reliance on blackmail, I think the Co$ started losing members about the time coming out became commonplace.  And if some of the suspected big names in Co$ ever did come out as gay, the rest of the dominoes would fall, faster than the Berlin Wall.
 
2013-02-10 04:49:22 AM

lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane


Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.
 
2013-02-10 04:50:54 AM

rev. dave: I'm surprised it has so many members and has survived so long.   I guess I have an overly high opinion of humanity.  There are certain levels of control from a person or organization which go over the line for almost everyone.  It seems they are way past that.
It could be that there is a totalitarian feel to it, like North Korea.  If you get out, you never get to see your family again.   Do they threaten to harm the family after someone leaves?


I dont condone Scientology and think its a bunch of shiat, but I do know people who have been involved with it. These articles are all hyperbolic. The person I knew who was into it, and everyone he knew who left the org, juswt got in their cars and left when they were ready. No one 'forced' them to stay, or threatened them. If you read the article, it says the same here. Sure they tried to get them to reconsider,, but any organization would do that.
 
2013-02-10 04:58:57 AM

Madbassist1: I dont condone Scientology and think its a bunch of shiat, but I do know people who have been involved with it. These articles are all hyperbolic. The person I knew who was into it, and everyone he knew who left the org, juswt got in their cars and left when they were ready. No one 'forced' them to stay, or threatened them. If you read the article, it says the same here. Sure they tried to get them to reconsider,, but any organization would do that.


I don't know of many organizations which charge their members hundreds of thousands of dollars and require them to sign over all property and items of monitary value to it to advance in their faith.

There is overwhelming documentation of the Scientology practice of Fair Game and Dead Agenting. It is not hyperbole. It's a common tactic used to silence critics of the church, and was done to anons who were outed during the Op: Chanology frequently, along with massive legal threats.

No other organized religion in the United States has a history of doing that.

Scientology also has a well-documented history of forcing family members remaining in the church to cut off all contact with those who leave it, and declares them SP - Subversive Persons who are persona non grata to the church and it's members. In addition, another well documented practice is to collect dirt on members, and threaten/blackmail them with it.

If you're meaning physical force, the SeaOrg front group has a well documented history of using international maritime laws and shady legal tactics to force servitide of it's crews in unsafe ships and in environments that no maritime flag in the world would allow had they knew about it.

Other than that, Scientology is well known for using the dirt it collects on members, as well as legal contracts, to extort and destroy the lives of people who leave the church and are considered a threat.
 
2013-02-10 05:07:41 AM
This just in. Childhood sucks...Okay, I got a lot of conflicting things going on in my head. Really, your Scientology childhood isn't so bad....compared to other cults.....And I survived other cults just fine....or did I?

Okay, maybe not.
 
2013-02-10 05:11:30 AM

BronyMedic: Madbassist1: I dont condone Scientology and think its a bunch of shiat, but I do know people who have been involved with it. These articles are all hyperbolic. The person I knew who was into it, and everyone he knew who left the org, juswt got in their cars and left when they were ready. No one 'forced' them to stay, or threatened them. If you read the article, it says the same here. Sure they tried to get them to reconsider,, but any organization would do that.

I don't know of many organizations which charge their members hundreds of thousands of dollars and require them to sign over all property and items of monitary value to it to advance in their faith.

There is overwhelming documentation of the Scientology practice of Fair Game and Dead Agenting. It is not hyperbole. It's a common tactic used to silence critics of the church, and was done to anons who were outed during the Op: Chanology frequently, along with massive legal threats.

No other organized religion in the United States has a history of doing that.

Scientology also has a well-documented history of forcing family members remaining in the church to cut off all contact with those who leave it, and declares them SP - Subversive Persons who are persona non grata to the church and it's members. In addition, another well documented practice is to collect dirt on members, and threaten/blackmail them with it.

If you're meaning physical force, the SeaOrg front group has a well documented history of using international maritime laws and shady legal tactics to force servitide of it's crews in unsafe ships and in environments that no maritime flag in the world would allow had they knew about it.

Other than that, Scientology is well known for using the dirt it collects on members, as well as legal contracts, to extort and destroy the lives of people who leave the church and are considered a threat.


Like I said, Einstein, I dont condone the church or its teachings. Only a moron would. Having said that, I havent seen any evidence of most of your post. Yeah they charge a fortune for their shiat, and yeah, they probably dont want people to have contact with non believers. Force? I doubt it. Also you keep using those words "well documented" I'm gonna have to inigo montoya you on that. I'd like to see some evidence of scientology extorting or destroying anyone. Not saying its not out there, just saying I've never seen it. Since its so well documented, maybe you can point me to it?
 
2013-02-10 05:14:31 AM

Kome: Still not any more insane than more traditional religions, like Oprahism or Voodoo.


Yeah, but voodoo is way cooler. They get to sacrifice chickens and dance around a big black guy in a white suit. That beats having to put up with Tom Cruise any day.
 
2013-02-10 05:21:17 AM

Kurmudgeon: lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane

Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.


OK. I'll bite. Why? Why is established scientific theory insane? Sure scientists don't have all the answers, but the big difference is that THEY DON'T PRETEND THEY DO!

I look at it this way:
Science: "we don't know all the answers, but we will dedicate our lives to search for the truth"
Religion: "We know the truth, and we will attack anyone who say's we don't"

Isn't the claim that you know everything, and that everyone else is wrong, the height of arrogance?

/not really an atheist
//more agnostic... And I love Science!
 
2013-02-10 05:26:39 AM

Madbassist1: Like I said, Einstein, I dont condone the church or its teachings. Only a moron would. Having said that, I havent seen any evidence of most of your post. Yeah they charge a fortune for their shiat, and yeah, they probably dont want people to have contact with non believers. Force? I doubt it. Also you keep using those words "well documented" I'm gonna have to inigo montoya you on that. I'd like to see some evidence of scientology extorting or destroying anyone. Not saying its not out there, just saying I've never seen it. Since its so well documented, maybe you can point me to it?


Holy Fark, are you serious? Do you not have access to GOOGLE on the planet you live on? You might as well be claiming that there's no proof that the Holocaust really happened.

You are either fantastically uninformed, or your a shill for the Scientologists.
 
2013-02-10 05:34:05 AM

Madbassist1: Like I said, Einstein, I dont condone the church or its teachings. Only a moron would.


I don't think I ever said you were, or accused you of doing that. You don't have to protest so much.

Madbassist1: Force? I doubt it. Also you keep using those words "well documented" I'm gonna have to inigo montoya you on that. I'd like to see some evidence of scientology extorting or destroying anyone. Not saying its not out there, just saying I've never seen it. Since its so well documented, maybe you can point me to it?


Well, for starters they instituted one of the largest criminal infiltration of the US Government in American History to silence their critics. They attempted to kidnap and drug one of their largest critics.

Their attempts at censorship and legal terrorism is what started the Operation Chanology movement.

And that's just the start. Operation Clambake, a website which has for almost a decade and a half presented the cult for what it is, is also a good resource.

Scientology: The Thriving Cult of Greed and Power

Sea Org: Sweatshop labor on the high seas.
Scientology: A criminal organization.
It hits the fan.
The Daily Fail

There are dozens of other news articles just with a single google search of "Scientology crimes and abuses". Start there, and educate yourself.
 
2013-02-10 05:38:24 AM
And to think that all of this was because a bunch of oldfart SF writers got together in the 50's and made a dare to L Ron Hubbard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9AGVARpqdk
 
2013-02-10 05:40:57 AM

rev. dave: I'm surprised it has so many members and has survived so long.   I guess I have an overly high opinion of humanity.  There are certain levels of control from a person or organization which go over the line for almost everyone.  It seems they are way past that.
It could be that there is a totalitarian feel to it, like North Korea.  If you get out, you never get to see your family again.   Do they threaten to harm the family after someone leaves?




They are notorious for inflating the number of followers they have. Most estimate no more then 750,000 world wide.
 
2013-02-10 05:41:02 AM

Madbassist1: Like I said, Einstein, I dont condone the church or its teachings. Only a moron would. Having said that, I havent seen any evidence of most of your post. Yeah they charge a fortune for their shiat, and yeah, they probably dont want people to have contact with non believers. Force? I doubt it. Also you keep using those words "well documented" I'm gonna have to inigo montoya you on that. I'd like to see some evidence of scientology extorting or destroying anyone. Not saying its not out there, just saying I've never seen it. Since its so well documented, maybe you can point me to it?


Read the books. <i>Bare-Faced Messiah</i> by Russell Miller, <i>Inside Scientology</i> by Janet Reitman, and <i>Going Clear</i> by Lawrence Wright. These are all written by respected journalists, not disgruntled ex-members. The psychological and physical abuse within the Sea Org is horrifying, and not at all exaggerated.

The average CoS member getting auditing and personality tests is not exposed to the worst of the organization. Sea Org members are in a whole different kind of hell; a cult within the cult. It is farked beyong belief.
 
2013-02-10 05:46:02 AM

Kurmudgeon: lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane

Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.


Atheism is a religion like Not Collecting Stamps is a hobby.

Interesting how strong projection is in some folks, though.
 
2013-02-10 05:49:02 AM

Bucky Katt: In that picture David Miscavige looks like he's offering junk bonds to only  a limited number of preferred clients.


If you're not inside, you're outside
It's all about bucks, kid.
The rest is conversation.

s20.postimage.org
 
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