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(NYPost)   Scientology now has an enemy worse than Anonymous: The Niece of its current leader   (nypost.com) divider line 286
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2013-02-09 11:58:09 PM
Still not any more insane than more traditional religions, like Oprahism or Voodoo.
 
2013-02-10 12:02:22 AM
They were married and sent on an assignment to Australia where - against church rules - they discovered TV and the Internet, where she read negative comments about her Uncle David.

TV is against church rules? Even Dharma & Greg?? JAG? Late seasons of Cheers?
 
2013-02-10 12:12:47 AM

fusillade762: They were married and sent on an assignment to Australia where - against church rules - they discovered TV and the Internet, where she read negative comments about her Uncle David.

TV is against church rules? Even Dharma & Greg?? JAG? Late seasons of Cheers?


Scientology REQUIRES every one of it's members who use a computer to install a program called Scieno Sitter onto their computer. It works in a manner similar to every other parental protection program on the market today, except that it not only blocks any websites which have negative mention of the CoS, but actively reports on that attempt to access that website back to it's master server. It also works in other programs, like Messenger programs, Skype, and IRC, and actively works to filter or block mentions of scientology scandals using keywords.
 
2013-02-10 12:13:16 AM

fusillade762: They were married and sent on an assignment to Australia where - against church rules - they discovered TV and the Internet, where she read negative comments about her Uncle David.

TV is against church rules? Even Dharma & Greg?? JAG? Late seasons of Cheers?


Even the first three seasons of Welcome Back, Kotter, and My Name Is Earl.
 
2013-02-10 12:22:24 AM
I'd like to Sci en her tology.
 
2013-02-10 02:14:20 AM
I guess you could say, it's a......Miscavige  of Justice......
 
2013-02-10 02:14:40 AM
That interview was the pits. It's not like she was forced to eat cold MREs everyday.
 
2013-02-10 02:18:10 AM
Scientology: The religion so wacky it makes mormons look sane.
 
2013-02-10 02:19:00 AM
i309.photobucket.com

Ugly blemish removed.
 
2013-02-10 02:20:34 AM
In that picture David Miscavige looks like he's offering junk bonds to only  a limited number of preferred clients.
 
2013-02-10 02:21:06 AM
Lulz!

You'd think this religion was made-up by a science-fiction writer.
 
2013-02-10 02:21:18 AM

Kome: Still not any more insane than more traditional religions, like Oprahism or Voodoo.


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2013-02-10 02:22:52 AM

Oldiron_79: Scientology: The religion so wacky it makes mormons look sane.


Bishop Mitt Romney weeps for you.
 
2013-02-10 02:23:32 AM
please be hot please be hot....

meh, she's got a John Travolta chin
 
2013-02-10 02:26:08 AM
Lots of people getting out of whackjob religions lately.  I wonder how long it'll be until people start going public with their death-defying escapes from the Vatican.
 
2013-02-10 02:26:16 AM
What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?
 
2013-02-10 02:26:17 AM

Oldiron_79: Scientology: The religion so wacky it makes mormons look sane.


Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane. Mormons, Muslims, and whatever other dredge are the philosophical retards of our Johnny come lately made up dogma.
 
2013-02-10 02:27:26 AM

BronyMedic: Scieno Sitter


So is there a torrent for it?
 
2013-02-10 02:27:45 AM

foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?


They teach everyone who isn't a Scientologist that cults are bad.
 
2013-02-10 02:28:08 AM
Conclusion: poeple be crazy

/ some people will do anything to belong to a group
 
2013-02-10 02:29:09 AM

Atomic Spunk: foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?

They teach everyone who isn't a Scientologist that cults are bad.


don't forget the "if you're not in the 'church,' you're a threat part"
 
2013-02-10 02:29:19 AM
It was really nice of her to write that book and do that interview right before her vehicle, and everyone in it, including herself went over that bridge and ended in the tragic loss of all their lives....
 
2013-02-10 02:32:49 AM
I point and laugh at them on my way to Frenchy's.
 
2013-02-10 02:34:19 AM
What are the odds of her "disappearing" like the guy's wife?
 
2013-02-10 02:35:00 AM

He looks like a farking super villain.


i41.photobucket.com

"President?! Do you know how much power I'd have to give up to be President?"
 
2013-02-10 02:35:02 AM
I'm surprised it has so many members and has survived so long.   I guess I have an overly high opinion of humanity.  There are certain levels of control from a person or organization which go over the line for almost everyone.  It seems they are way past that.
It could be that there is a totalitarian feel to it, like North Korea.  If you get out, you never get to see your family again.   Do they threaten to harm the family after someone leaves?
 
2013-02-10 02:35:06 AM

Wolf892: It was really nice of her to write that book and do that interview right before her vehicle, and everyone in it, including herself went over that bridge and ended in the tragic loss of all their lives....


Honestly? She's probably guaranteeing her own safety now. She's already spoken- anything that happens to her now would be very carefully scrutinized and probably end up biting the church in the ass.

The intimidation tactics probably work better when they're trying to prevent someone from talking.
 
2013-02-10 02:38:27 AM

oMaJoJ: He looks like a farking super villain.




"President?! Do you know how much power I'd have to give up to be President?"


I feel that he looks more like the reclusive billionaire type to me.

The kind that pays bums to test his latest inventions.

/ one that, perhaps, rants about lemons
 
2013-02-10 02:38:46 AM
I'm a little over halfway through her book. There are some seriously farked up things happening in the name of this 'religion'.
 
2013-02-10 02:41:24 AM

foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?


Therapy is a large component of Scientology at the lower levels. Whether or not there's any scientific validity to their practices, I think a large portion of humanity, regardless of religion or nationality, just need someone to talk to.
 
2013-02-10 02:41:26 AM

Genevieve Marie: Wolf892: It was really nice of her to write that book and do that interview right before her vehicle, and everyone in it, including herself went over that bridge and ended in the tragic loss of all their lives....

Honestly? She's probably guaranteeing her own safety now. She's already spoken- anything that happens to her now would be very carefully scrutinized and probably end up biting the church in the ass.

The intimidation tactics probably work better when they're trying to prevent someone from talking.


But think of all the things she has yet to say. After her first book is a success she'll want to do another one...and she'll want to help lead the charge to get more members out of the cult...nope, an "accident" is still something that can be very possible in her future. And who cares if a light is flashed on that cult? They'll just lawyer up and double down on keeping quiet or lying their assess off....If the wife of the guy who runs the whole thing can disappear, then absolutly a niece can.
 
2013-02-10 02:42:25 AM

foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?


Well, it starts with confession. Which is nice, people like to talk about their problems, and it usually helps a person to "talk things out", even when they're an introvert or whatnot. But the goal of scientologists is supposedly self-improvement and freedom from human limitations of psyche and mentality. Strangely, this seems to be accomplished by oppressing the human and then giving him moments of freedom from oppression. This is kind of like half-drowning someone and letting them breathe every now and then. Unsurprisingly, they then become really happy about being able to breathe - or to discontinue the metaphor, stop being oppressed. Ta da!
 
2013-02-10 02:43:53 AM

NecoConeco: I'm a little over halfway through her book. There are some seriously farked up things happening in the name of this 'religion'.


not to take anything away from this horrible cult, but....

Welcome to well, the early stages of religion.  In 1500 years, perhaps Xenu will be king
 
2013-02-10 02:44:02 AM
My understanding is they pull up dirt on you early on as part of the therapy, then threaten to expose you for some messing around you did with the neighbor kid when you were 5.
 
2013-02-10 02:45:57 AM
You'll never stop Scientology as long as it's backed by the US Government.

And it's protection from taxes as a religion is that backing, and is all it needs to win the long game.

Everyone thought the Mormons would go away too... until rich people realized they could hide their money in the Morman Church.
 
2013-02-10 02:46:09 AM

UsikFark: My understanding is they pull up dirt on you early on as part of the therapy, then threaten to expose you for some messing around you did with the neighbor kid when you were 5.


WTF! You said you'd never tell anyone!
 
2013-02-10 02:46:17 AM

starsrift: foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?

Well, it starts with confession. Which is nice, people like to talk about their problems, and it usually helps a person to "talk things out", even when they're an introvert or whatnot. But the goal of scientologists is supposedly self-improvement and freedom from human limitations of psyche and mentality. Strangely, this seems to be accomplished by oppressing the human and then giving him moments of freedom from oppression. This is kind of like half-drowning someone and letting them breathe every now and then. Unsurprisingly, they then become really happy about being able to breathe - or to discontinue the metaphor, stop being oppressed. Ta da!


From what I've learned, the auditors take copious notes on these sessions.  They are then used to control the confessor to toe the church line.

This is all heresay and conjecture, but it's been consistent in my readings
 
2013-02-10 02:46:44 AM

iheartscotch: oMaJoJ: He looks like a farking super villain.

"President?! Do you know how much power I'd have to give up to be President?"

I feel that he looks more like the reclusive billionaire type to me.

The kind that pays bums to test his latest inventions.

/ one that, perhaps, rants about lemons


Makes sense

/Burning people! He's says what we're all thinking!
 
2013-02-10 02:47:33 AM

johne3819: From what I've learned, the auditors take copious notes on these sessions.  They are then used to control the confessor to toe the church line.

This is all heresay and conjecture, but it's been consistent in my readings


Yeah, that's part of the stick, but foo monkey was asking about the carrot.
 
2013-02-10 02:48:18 AM

GranoblasticMan: UsikFark: My understanding is they pull up dirt on you early on as part of the therapy, then threaten to expose you for some messing around you did with the neighbor kid when you were 5.

WTF! You said you'd never tell anyone!


Oh, wow, is there egg on my face! I'm sorry, I mistook you for someone else. I thought you were telling people about the messing around I did with the neighbor kid when he was 5.

Phew. Glad that little secret didn't get out.
 
2013-02-10 02:48:22 AM

UsikFark: My understanding is they pull up dirt on you early on as part of the therapy, then threaten to expose you for some messing around you did with the neighbor kid when you were 5.


And this as well.  They seem to be the Eddie Haskell of religions.  The conman, and you are the mark
 
2013-02-10 02:48:22 AM

Wolf892: Genevieve Marie: Wolf892: It was really nice of her to write that book and do that interview right before her vehicle, and everyone in it, including herself went over that bridge and ended in the tragic loss of all their lives....

Honestly? She's probably guaranteeing her own safety now. She's already spoken- anything that happens to her now would be very carefully scrutinized and probably end up biting the church in the ass.

The intimidation tactics probably work better when they're trying to prevent someone from talking.

But think of all the things she has yet to say. After her first book is a success she'll want to do another one...and she'll want to help lead the charge to get more members out of the cult...nope, an "accident" is still something that can be very possible in her future. And who cares if a light is flashed on that cult? They'll just lawyer up and double down on keeping quiet or lying their assess off....If the wife of the guy who runs the whole thing can disappear, then absolutly a niece can.


What worries me is the chance that a few weeks from now we'll see all the headlines about how this girl is a fraud who really grew up in a Roman Catholic household and a normal family, etc.  Scientology is crazy, but this kind of supposed internal leak is too good to be true.  What if this Miscavige creep never returned her calls because he really has no connection to her?
 
2013-02-10 02:50:01 AM

starsrift: johne3819: From what I've learned, the auditors take copious notes on these sessions.  They are then used to control the confessor to toe the church line.

This is all heresay and conjecture, but it's been consistent in my readings

Yeah, that's part of the stick, but foo monkey was asking about the carrot.


I hear that, but I haven't heard much carrot, it's more like stay clean or else!
 
2013-02-10 02:51:10 AM

HotWingAgenda: Wolf892: Genevieve Marie: Wolf892: It was really nice of her to write that book and do that interview right before her vehicle, and everyone in it, including herself went over that bridge and ended in the tragic loss of all their lives....

Honestly? She's probably guaranteeing her own safety now. She's already spoken- anything that happens to her now would be very carefully scrutinized and probably end up biting the church in the ass.

The intimidation tactics probably work better when they're trying to prevent someone from talking.

But think of all the things she has yet to say. After her first book is a success she'll want to do another one...and she'll want to help lead the charge to get more members out of the cult...nope, an "accident" is still something that can be very possible in her future. And who cares if a light is flashed on that cult? They'll just lawyer up and double down on keeping quiet or lying their assess off....If the wife of the guy who runs the whole thing can disappear, then absolutly a niece can.

What worries me is the chance that a few weeks from now we'll see all the headlines about how this girl is a fraud who really grew up in a Roman Catholic household and a normal family, etc.  Scientology is crazy, but this kind of supposed internal leak is too good to be true.  What if this Miscavige creep never returned her calls because he really has no connection to her?


I would hope to high hell the editor would do the simplest of research....

But in today's rush to headline, wouldn't be surprised
 
2013-02-10 02:52:25 AM

HotWingAgenda: Wolf892: Genevieve Marie: Wolf892: It was really nice of her to write that book and do that interview right before her vehicle, and everyone in it, including herself went over that bridge and ended in the tragic loss of all their lives....

Honestly? She's probably guaranteeing her own safety now. She's already spoken- anything that happens to her now would be very carefully scrutinized and probably end up biting the church in the ass.

The intimidation tactics probably work better when they're trying to prevent someone from talking.

But think of all the things she has yet to say. After her first book is a success she'll want to do another one...and she'll want to help lead the charge to get more members out of the cult...nope, an "accident" is still something that can be very possible in her future. And who cares if a light is flashed on that cult? They'll just lawyer up and double down on keeping quiet or lying their assess off....If the wife of the guy who runs the whole thing can disappear, then absolutly a niece can.

What worries me is the chance that a few weeks from now we'll see all the headlines about how this girl is a fraud who really grew up in a Roman Catholic household and a normal family, etc.  Scientology is crazy, but this kind of supposed internal leak is too good to be true.  What if this Miscavige creep never returned her calls because he really has no connection to her?


DNA should clear that up....but...and I'm just adjusting my tin foil hat now, if that were to happen, it would probably be the Scientologists behind those reports trying to say she's a no body/crazy person.
 
2013-02-10 02:52:35 AM
Scientology =/= the Catholic Church, dumbasses.  You can leave the Catholic Church.
 
2013-02-10 02:53:50 AM

Arumat: Lots of people getting out of whackjob religions lately. I wonder how long it'll be until people start going public with their death-defying escapes from the Vatican.



been done already.


ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2013-02-10 03:01:55 AM

hotter than the ads: Therapy is a large component of Scientology at the lower levels.


It's not therapy. It's basically convincing the person that they have to be completely dependant on Scientology to be happy. It's programming and brainwashing at it's basic definition.

hotter than the ads: Therapy is a large component of Scientology at the lower levels. Whether or not there's any scientific validity to their practices, I think a large portion of humanity, regardless of religion or nationality, just need someone to talk to.


There's not.

And they need someone other than Scientologists to talk to.
 
2013-02-10 03:02:29 AM
i41.photobucket.com


Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He's a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts. He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do, I swear for His own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel, He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste. Taste, don't swallow. Ahaha. And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughin' His sick, farkin' ass off! He's a tight-ass! He's a SADIST! He's an absentee landlord! Worship that? NEVER!
 
2013-02-10 03:02:41 AM

Wolf892: What worries me is the chance that a few weeks from now we'll see all the headlines about how this girl is a fraud who really grew up in a Roman Catholic household and a normal family, etc. Scientology is crazy, but this kind of supposed internal leak is too good to be true. What if this Miscavige creep never returned her calls because he really has no connection to her?

DNA should clear that up....but...and I'm just adjusting my tin foil hat now, if that were to happen, it would probably be the Scientologists behind those reports trying to say she's a no body/crazy person.


No dispute there.  If I came across as defending the Hubbardists, it was strictly unintentional.

/I used to live in a neighborhood that still had sidewalks stamped with his family's construction company name
 
Xai
2013-02-10 03:05:23 AM
how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.
 
2013-02-10 03:06:54 AM

Jerseysteve22: Scientology =/= the Catholic Church, dumbasses.  You can leave the Catholic Church.


You simply say, "I break with thee! I break with thee! I break with thee!" and then throw dog poop on the Pope's shoes.
 
2013-02-10 03:07:21 AM

foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?


The usual shiat you just mentioned.  Treat people right, do good, work hard to help your fellow man, etc.

The values that differ from the "regular" religions are mostly analogous; life is less important than magic soul reincarnation afterlife, modern medicinepsychiatry is dangerous and evil and a tool of the  devilMarcabian Death Fleet, don't trust them what tell you things that might make you disobey the church.   But it's the differences, the John Travolta forced work camps and 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, are more *interesting* because they are the parts that let you separate one glassy-eyed cultist from another.

And it's also important to remember that they are a cult, (here defined as, "small, unpopular, and insular religion.")  and all that goes with being a cult.  Cults have to oppress the hell out of their members, because if a Catholic decides to leave the flock, do acid and fark other men for 10 years before being "saved" that is a drop in the ocean of their base, but it's a full percentage point for some cults.  And historically speaking everything the CoS does now the RCC did back then.  Sometimes as recently as after the CoS was founded.

And they are terrorists, and they should take flack, and that should cost them their existence as other herds prove more comforting for the little sheep.  But that's another story.
 
2013-02-10 03:07:44 AM

Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.


It's a free market economy.
 
2013-02-10 03:08:18 AM

Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.


It's not. Any contract entered into by a minor is also voidable by the minor.
 
2013-02-10 03:08:28 AM

Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.


Interesting thought.  You can't make the kid work for money, nor can you physically abuse them,  However, if you let the religion do it, it's all kosher?
 
2013-02-10 03:08:58 AM

Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.


It's not. It's full of total BS. And everyone knows it at the highest echelons of Scientology.

It's not those contracts that, for the most part, keep their believers in line. It's the fear of the army of lawyers being unleashed upon them, and the fear of being dead agented and having their deepest secrets outed, true or not true. Every member of scientology has a dossier collected on them from the first audit of negative information.

Paper terrorism is a powerful motivator.
 
2013-02-10 03:09:29 AM

Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.


especially when you could simply eat a $0.01 Hawaiian Baby Woodrose seed.  and get yourself Clear the old fashioned way
 
2013-02-10 03:10:19 AM

foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?


The cult leaders get lots of money in this pyramid-like scheme. That might make up for eternity in hell, but I'm dubious.
 
2013-02-10 03:11:30 AM

BronyMedic: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

It's not. It's full of total BS. And everyone knows it at the highest echelons of Scientology.

It's not those contracts that, for the most part, keep their believers in line. It's the fear of the army of lawyers being unleashed upon them, and the fear of being dead agented and having their deepest secrets outed, true or not true. Every member of scientology has a dossier collected on them from the first audit of negative information.

Paper terrorism is a powerful motivator.


I doubt they even try and make a line of 'negative information'  They may preach such things, but I bet they keep al the info.
 
2013-02-10 03:11:36 AM

TheBigJerk: foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?

The usual shiat you just mentioned.  Treat people right, do good, work hard to help your fellow man, etc.

The values that differ from the "regular" religions are mostly analogous; life is less important than magic soul reincarnation afterlife, modern medicinepsychiatry is dangerous and evil and a tool of the  devilMarcabian Death Fleet, don't trust them what tell you things that might make you disobey the church.   But it's the differences, the John Travolta forced work camps and 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, are more *interesting* because they are the parts that let you separate one glassy-eyed cultist from another.

And it's also important to remember that they are a cult, (here defined as, "small, unpopular, and insular religion.")  and all that goes with being a cult.  Cults have to oppress the hell out of their members, because if a Catholic decides to leave the flock, do acid and fark other men for 10 years before being "saved" that is a drop in the ocean of their base, but it's a full percentage point for some cults.  And historically speaking everything the CoS does now the RCC did back then.  Sometimes as recently as after the CoS was founded.

And they are terrorists, and they should take flack, and that should cost them their existence as other herds prove more comforting for the little sheep.  But that's another story.


every time i see CoS i think of

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2013-02-10 03:12:04 AM

johne3819: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

Interesting thought.  You can't make the kid work for money, nor can you physically abuse them,  However, if you let the religion do it, it's all kosher?


Well you cant pay a woman for sex because thats prostitution and illegal, unless you tape it then its just making a porn.
 
2013-02-10 03:12:53 AM

gregscott: foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?

The cult leaders get lots of money in this pyramid-like scheme. That might make up for eternity in hell, but I'm dubious.


a couple years in limbo is nothing compared to the life on Earth! :)
 
2013-02-10 03:17:25 AM

Oldiron_79: johne3819: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

Interesting thought.  You can't make the kid work for money, nor can you physically abuse them,  However, if you let the religion do it, it's all kosher?

Well you cant pay a woman for sex because thats prostitution and illegal, unless you tape it then its just making a porn.


touche' and you can take one bet, but multiple bets and your keeping book
 
2013-02-10 03:17:55 AM
Read "Blown For Good" due to someone's recommendation here.  Good book. Also picked up the more recent one... looking forward to that.

For that matter no one has seen  Miscavige's wife in a long time.  That was also mentioned in BFG.
 
2013-02-10 03:21:04 AM
Came here for the girl on girl comments involving Megan Phelps and Jenna Mescavige...

smoking nieces leaving their churches and religions for some naughty girl on girl anti religious super double all night fark session... it would only be worse if their uncles could watch

/Fark I am disappoint

// Jesus would approve
 
2013-02-10 03:24:05 AM

Notabunny: Jerseysteve22: Scientology =/= the Catholic Church, dumbasses.  You can leave the Catholic Church.

You simply say, "I break with thee! I break with thee! I break with thee!" and then throw dog poop on the Pope's shoes.


Enjoy the cool weather that winter brings, because I hear the climate of hell is alot warmer.
 
Xai
2013-02-10 03:25:52 AM

johne3819: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

Interesting thought.  You can't make the kid work for money, nor can you physically abuse them,  However, if you let the religion do it, it's all kosher?


This is exactly what I mean - If china has child labourers, you say that they are uncivilized and yet those children even have the choice to leave!

The US allows these crazy cults to exploit kids to virtual slavery and yet there are no charges brought? This is why the US is farked up.
 
2013-02-10 03:31:40 AM

Xai: johne3819: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

Interesting thought.  You can't make the kid work for money, nor can you physically abuse them,  However, if you let the religion do it, it's all kosher?

This is exactly what I mean - If china has child labourers, you say that they are uncivilized and yet those children even have the choice to leave!

The US allows these crazy cults to exploit kids to virtual slavery and yet there are no charges brought? This is why the US is farked up.


Not sure where you're from, but here in 'merica, we don't preciate using Xtra letters
 
2013-02-10 03:33:54 AM

Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.


"Put on your work boots and respirator--I had to pull a lotta strings to get 'em to hire a nine-year old."
 
2013-02-10 03:34:20 AM
isn't the whole purpose of religion to REFORM CRIMINALS.../
 
2013-02-10 03:36:14 AM

Xai: johne3819: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

Interesting thought.  You can't make the kid work for money, nor can you physically abuse them,  However, if you let the religion do it, it's all kosher?

This is exactly what I mean - If china has child labourers, you say that they are uncivilized and yet those children even have the choice to leave!

The US allows these crazy cults to exploit kids to virtual slavery and yet there are no charges brought? This is why the US is farked up.


But seriously, It's to preserve the real religions. Like allowing 1000 guilty to go free to ensure the justice of one innocent.
 
2013-02-10 03:44:51 AM

starsrift: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

It's a free market economy.


johne3819: Xai: johne3819: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

Interesting thought.  You can't make the kid work for money, nor can you physically abuse them,  However, if you let the religion do it, it's all kosher?

This is exactly what I mean - If china has child labourers, you say that they are uncivilized and yet those children even have the choice to leave!

The US allows these crazy cults to exploit kids to virtual slavery and yet there are no charges brought? This is why the US is farked up.

Not sure where you're from, but here in 'merica, we don't preciate using Xtra letters


johne3819: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

Interesting thought.  You can't make the kid work for money, nor can you physically abuse them,  However, if you let the religion do it, it's all kosher?


Now, you do realize that this wasn't a real contract that would stand up in a court of law, right, but a prop someone made with a laser printer and some calligraphy on "parchment" letter paper to fool and intimidate a seven-year-old, right?
 
2013-02-10 03:50:19 AM

Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?


It's not.  Scientology is a lot like Columbia House.  They can ask you to sign a contract, but if you're under 18 it isn't legally binding.
 
2013-02-10 03:54:09 AM
"It doesn't taste good," she adds. "It tastes like feet."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v_BE6lFE0o
 
2013-02-10 04:06:36 AM

Bucky Katt: In that picture David Miscavige looks like he's offering junk bonds to only a limited number of preferred clients.


You've pretty much nailed Scientology.  It's a whack authoritarian cult, a fraudulent diploma mill, junk security boiler room, and multilevel marketing ponzi scheme all rolled together.
 
2013-02-10 04:08:12 AM
"she simply got in a car with Dallas and left."

Wow. Harrowing escape!
 
2013-02-10 04:10:39 AM

gibbon1: Bucky Katt: In that picture David Miscavige looks like he's offering junk bonds to only a limited number of preferred clients.

You've pretty much nailed Scientology.  It's a whack authoritarian cult, a fraudulent diploma mill, junk security boiler room, and multilevel marketing ponzi scheme all rolled together.


Fun Fact: One of the many reasons that the 9/11 Responders Medical Fund legislation was delayed so long was the insistance by Narcanon, a Scientology Front Group, that their purification rundown which they had suckered a large portion of the FDNY into despite having no scientific evidence for it's effectiveness and despite obvious indoctrination of it's people into the cult, that it be eligable for reimbursement from the Government under it.
 
2013-02-10 04:13:01 AM

rev. dave: I'm surprised it has so many members and has survived so long


The real number of members is around 40,000, their numbers have been dropping fast in recent years.
They lie (shocking, i know) about their members count.
 
2013-02-10 04:13:16 AM

oMaJoJ: He looks like a farking super villain.
*snip*


No he doesn't.

i1222.photobucket.com

He looks like a little man who's overcompensating.
 
2013-02-10 04:31:28 AM

Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.


You can convince a 7 year old to sign a contract all you like, it just has absolutely no legal meaning whatsoever.
 
2013-02-10 04:36:04 AM
i309.photobucket.com


"Neiiiiiice!"
i41.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-10 04:40:57 AM

Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.


A minor can not enter into a contract in the US without proper legal oversight (the legal guardian signs the contract, but it must be in the child's best interest).  Also, a billion year contract isn't enforceable, anyway.

/IANAL
 
2013-02-10 04:41:38 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: isn't the whole purpose of religion is to REFORM conceal CRIMINALS.../


FTFY
 
2013-02-10 04:42:40 AM

OgreMagi: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

A minor can not enter into a contract in the US without proper legal oversight (the legal guardian signs the contract, but it must be in the child's best interest).  Also, a billion year contract isn't enforceable, anyway.

/IANAL


CHALLENGE ACCEPTED!

morethings.com
 
2013-02-10 04:45:18 AM

TappingTheVein: rev. dave: I'm surprised it has so many members and has survived so long

The real number of members is around 40,000, their numbers have been dropping fast in recent years.
They lie (shocking, i know) about their members count.



The only people I 'know' that are Co$ are all living in Hollyweird.  I have seen a few of their store front places, but there never seems to be anyone in those places.  With their reliance on blackmail, I think the Co$ started losing members about the time coming out became commonplace.  And if some of the suspected big names in Co$ ever did come out as gay, the rest of the dominoes would fall, faster than the Berlin Wall.
 
2013-02-10 04:49:22 AM

lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane


Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.
 
2013-02-10 04:50:54 AM

rev. dave: I'm surprised it has so many members and has survived so long.   I guess I have an overly high opinion of humanity.  There are certain levels of control from a person or organization which go over the line for almost everyone.  It seems they are way past that.
It could be that there is a totalitarian feel to it, like North Korea.  If you get out, you never get to see your family again.   Do they threaten to harm the family after someone leaves?


I dont condone Scientology and think its a bunch of shiat, but I do know people who have been involved with it. These articles are all hyperbolic. The person I knew who was into it, and everyone he knew who left the org, juswt got in their cars and left when they were ready. No one 'forced' them to stay, or threatened them. If you read the article, it says the same here. Sure they tried to get them to reconsider,, but any organization would do that.
 
2013-02-10 04:58:57 AM

Madbassist1: I dont condone Scientology and think its a bunch of shiat, but I do know people who have been involved with it. These articles are all hyperbolic. The person I knew who was into it, and everyone he knew who left the org, juswt got in their cars and left when they were ready. No one 'forced' them to stay, or threatened them. If you read the article, it says the same here. Sure they tried to get them to reconsider,, but any organization would do that.


I don't know of many organizations which charge their members hundreds of thousands of dollars and require them to sign over all property and items of monitary value to it to advance in their faith.

There is overwhelming documentation of the Scientology practice of Fair Game and Dead Agenting. It is not hyperbole. It's a common tactic used to silence critics of the church, and was done to anons who were outed during the Op: Chanology frequently, along with massive legal threats.

No other organized religion in the United States has a history of doing that.

Scientology also has a well-documented history of forcing family members remaining in the church to cut off all contact with those who leave it, and declares them SP - Subversive Persons who are persona non grata to the church and it's members. In addition, another well documented practice is to collect dirt on members, and threaten/blackmail them with it.

If you're meaning physical force, the SeaOrg front group has a well documented history of using international maritime laws and shady legal tactics to force servitide of it's crews in unsafe ships and in environments that no maritime flag in the world would allow had they knew about it.

Other than that, Scientology is well known for using the dirt it collects on members, as well as legal contracts, to extort and destroy the lives of people who leave the church and are considered a threat.
 
2013-02-10 05:07:41 AM
This just in. Childhood sucks...Okay, I got a lot of conflicting things going on in my head. Really, your Scientology childhood isn't so bad....compared to other cults.....And I survived other cults just fine....or did I?

Okay, maybe not.
 
2013-02-10 05:11:30 AM

BronyMedic: Madbassist1: I dont condone Scientology and think its a bunch of shiat, but I do know people who have been involved with it. These articles are all hyperbolic. The person I knew who was into it, and everyone he knew who left the org, juswt got in their cars and left when they were ready. No one 'forced' them to stay, or threatened them. If you read the article, it says the same here. Sure they tried to get them to reconsider,, but any organization would do that.

I don't know of many organizations which charge their members hundreds of thousands of dollars and require them to sign over all property and items of monitary value to it to advance in their faith.

There is overwhelming documentation of the Scientology practice of Fair Game and Dead Agenting. It is not hyperbole. It's a common tactic used to silence critics of the church, and was done to anons who were outed during the Op: Chanology frequently, along with massive legal threats.

No other organized religion in the United States has a history of doing that.

Scientology also has a well-documented history of forcing family members remaining in the church to cut off all contact with those who leave it, and declares them SP - Subversive Persons who are persona non grata to the church and it's members. In addition, another well documented practice is to collect dirt on members, and threaten/blackmail them with it.

If you're meaning physical force, the SeaOrg front group has a well documented history of using international maritime laws and shady legal tactics to force servitide of it's crews in unsafe ships and in environments that no maritime flag in the world would allow had they knew about it.

Other than that, Scientology is well known for using the dirt it collects on members, as well as legal contracts, to extort and destroy the lives of people who leave the church and are considered a threat.


Like I said, Einstein, I dont condone the church or its teachings. Only a moron would. Having said that, I havent seen any evidence of most of your post. Yeah they charge a fortune for their shiat, and yeah, they probably dont want people to have contact with non believers. Force? I doubt it. Also you keep using those words "well documented" I'm gonna have to inigo montoya you on that. I'd like to see some evidence of scientology extorting or destroying anyone. Not saying its not out there, just saying I've never seen it. Since its so well documented, maybe you can point me to it?
 
2013-02-10 05:14:31 AM

Kome: Still not any more insane than more traditional religions, like Oprahism or Voodoo.


Yeah, but voodoo is way cooler. They get to sacrifice chickens and dance around a big black guy in a white suit. That beats having to put up with Tom Cruise any day.
 
2013-02-10 05:21:17 AM

Kurmudgeon: lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane

Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.


OK. I'll bite. Why? Why is established scientific theory insane? Sure scientists don't have all the answers, but the big difference is that THEY DON'T PRETEND THEY DO!

I look at it this way:
Science: "we don't know all the answers, but we will dedicate our lives to search for the truth"
Religion: "We know the truth, and we will attack anyone who say's we don't"

Isn't the claim that you know everything, and that everyone else is wrong, the height of arrogance?

/not really an atheist
//more agnostic... And I love Science!
 
2013-02-10 05:26:39 AM

Madbassist1: Like I said, Einstein, I dont condone the church or its teachings. Only a moron would. Having said that, I havent seen any evidence of most of your post. Yeah they charge a fortune for their shiat, and yeah, they probably dont want people to have contact with non believers. Force? I doubt it. Also you keep using those words "well documented" I'm gonna have to inigo montoya you on that. I'd like to see some evidence of scientology extorting or destroying anyone. Not saying its not out there, just saying I've never seen it. Since its so well documented, maybe you can point me to it?


Holy Fark, are you serious? Do you not have access to GOOGLE on the planet you live on? You might as well be claiming that there's no proof that the Holocaust really happened.

You are either fantastically uninformed, or your a shill for the Scientologists.
 
2013-02-10 05:34:05 AM

Madbassist1: Like I said, Einstein, I dont condone the church or its teachings. Only a moron would.


I don't think I ever said you were, or accused you of doing that. You don't have to protest so much.

Madbassist1: Force? I doubt it. Also you keep using those words "well documented" I'm gonna have to inigo montoya you on that. I'd like to see some evidence of scientology extorting or destroying anyone. Not saying its not out there, just saying I've never seen it. Since its so well documented, maybe you can point me to it?


Well, for starters they instituted one of the largest criminal infiltration of the US Government in American History to silence their critics. They attempted to kidnap and drug one of their largest critics.

Their attempts at censorship and legal terrorism is what started the Operation Chanology movement.

And that's just the start. Operation Clambake, a website which has for almost a decade and a half presented the cult for what it is, is also a good resource.

Scientology: The Thriving Cult of Greed and Power

Sea Org: Sweatshop labor on the high seas.
Scientology: A criminal organization.
It hits the fan.
The Daily Fail

There are dozens of other news articles just with a single google search of "Scientology crimes and abuses". Start there, and educate yourself.
 
2013-02-10 05:38:24 AM
And to think that all of this was because a bunch of oldfart SF writers got together in the 50's and made a dare to L Ron Hubbard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9AGVARpqdk
 
2013-02-10 05:40:57 AM

rev. dave: I'm surprised it has so many members and has survived so long.   I guess I have an overly high opinion of humanity.  There are certain levels of control from a person or organization which go over the line for almost everyone.  It seems they are way past that.
It could be that there is a totalitarian feel to it, like North Korea.  If you get out, you never get to see your family again.   Do they threaten to harm the family after someone leaves?




They are notorious for inflating the number of followers they have. Most estimate no more then 750,000 world wide.
 
2013-02-10 05:41:02 AM

Madbassist1: Like I said, Einstein, I dont condone the church or its teachings. Only a moron would. Having said that, I havent seen any evidence of most of your post. Yeah they charge a fortune for their shiat, and yeah, they probably dont want people to have contact with non believers. Force? I doubt it. Also you keep using those words "well documented" I'm gonna have to inigo montoya you on that. I'd like to see some evidence of scientology extorting or destroying anyone. Not saying its not out there, just saying I've never seen it. Since its so well documented, maybe you can point me to it?


Read the books. <i>Bare-Faced Messiah</i> by Russell Miller, <i>Inside Scientology</i> by Janet Reitman, and <i>Going Clear</i> by Lawrence Wright. These are all written by respected journalists, not disgruntled ex-members. The psychological and physical abuse within the Sea Org is horrifying, and not at all exaggerated.

The average CoS member getting auditing and personality tests is not exposed to the worst of the organization. Sea Org members are in a whole different kind of hell; a cult within the cult. It is farked beyong belief.
 
2013-02-10 05:46:02 AM

Kurmudgeon: lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane

Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.


Atheism is a religion like Not Collecting Stamps is a hobby.

Interesting how strong projection is in some folks, though.
 
2013-02-10 05:49:02 AM

Bucky Katt: In that picture David Miscavige looks like he's offering junk bonds to only  a limited number of preferred clients.


If you're not inside, you're outside
It's all about bucks, kid.
The rest is conversation.

s20.postimage.org
 
Ral
2013-02-10 05:51:48 AM
Miscavige just radiates "evil supervillain" in just about every picture I've ever seen of him.  It's so stark it's comical.
 
2013-02-10 05:56:20 AM

ultraholland: please be hot please be hot....

meh, she's got a John Travolta chin


Testicles bouncing from it?
 
2013-02-10 06:09:27 AM
Scientology is a tool specially designed by L. Ron Hubbard to seperate folks with large egos and not many brains from their wallets. Why do you think it's so successful in Hollywierd?
 
2013-02-10 06:20:01 AM

Ral: Miscavige just radiates "evil supervillain" in just about every picture I've ever seen of him.  It's so stark it's comical.


The best supervillians don't radiate anything like that. Which is how they get away with it.
I'm looking at you James Taylor.
 
2013-02-10 06:20:45 AM
Madbassist1,

Well documented: Scientology's attack on the group and individuals running the Cult Awareness Network (CAN).  They coordinated more than 50 Scientology members to file lawsuits (50+ Lawsuits altogether) against CAN.   Even though they basically never succeeded with a claim, the cost of defending this onslaught of lawsuits put CAN into bankruptcy* and wrecked the financial status of most of the individuals who organized CAN because they were sued not only as officers of CAN but on an individual basis.

*Scientology subsequently bought the CAN name (Trademark) in the bankruptcy auction and changed all of the information about Scientology to be positive.

There are currently 4 deaths at the Narconon (Scientology owned and operated drug treatment centers and program) at their Oklahoma facility which are under criminal investigation.   Widely reported that many "patients" at the facility were not there of their own free will.   The OSBI (Okla State Bureau of Investigation) just started their investigation in late October and it's still ongoing as there are literally thousands of leads based on the place being in business since the early 1990's.

There is also quite a bit of solid information about the death of Lisa McPherson and how Scientologist basically held her against her will, and incommunicado, at their Ft. Harrison Hotel in Clearwater, FL until her death by malnutrition.

You may want to read:   Church of Scientology of California v. Gerald Armstrong, 232 Cal. App. 3d 1060; 283 Cal. Rptr. 917 (Ct. App. 1991).  Armstrong was a former member who had been put to work collecting documents and materials in an effort to create a written biography of L Ron Hubbard.   During the course of his work, he discovered original documents which basically contradicted most of Hubbard's claims about himself.  He came to realize it was a scam and he and his wife left Scientology.

The court case centered around the fact that Armstrong had made copies of much of the most damning evidence and kept it (actually sent it to his attorney.)  The California Ct of Appeals found that, contrary to the typical application of the law, that Armstrong was actually within his rights to keep what amounted to "Stolen Material" because he had a legitimate concern about his and his wife's safety and well being and that the copied documents were perhaps the only way he could keep the church from carrying out its threats against him.

Yes, you read that right - an appellate court found that the evidence of potential harm from the Church of Scientology was so great (threats of physical violence, unethical legal practices, etc.) that they actually OK'd the theft of documents to be used as a shield from such threats!   Let that sink in for a while and consider how much legitimate evidence of a threat the church could be, that a panel of judges agreed that stealing documents from them was legally justified!

Sorry, if you are incapable of finding numerous (well documented) instances of Scientology using their resources to go after people by use of bogus lawsuits and other means - you just aren't looking very damned hard. (or you're running a false flag operation under the guise of being some disinterested outside observer.  Something also which is well documented over the years on the part of Scientology)
 
2013-02-10 06:21:34 AM

BigBooper: OK. I'll bite. Why? Why is established scientific theory insane?


If you bit, why did you change the question? Rather disingenuous of you, I'd say.
There's plenty of scientists who are members of different faiths, try again.
 
2013-02-10 06:23:31 AM

BronyMedic: Madbassist1: Like I said, Einstein, I dont condone the church or its teachings. Only a moron would.

I don't think I ever said you were, or accused you of doing that. You don't have to protest so much.

Madbassist1: Force? I doubt it. Also you keep using those words "well documented" I'm gonna have to inigo montoya you on that. I'd like to see some evidence of scientology extorting or destroying anyone. Not saying its not out there, just saying I've never seen it. Since its so well documented, maybe you can point me to it?

Well, for starters they instituted one of the largest criminal infiltration of the US Government in American History to silence their critics. They attempted to kidnap and drug one of their largest critics.

Their attempts at censorship and legal terrorism is what started the Operation Chanology movement.

And that's just the start. Operation Clambake, a website which has for almost a decade and a half presented the cult for what it is, is also a good resource.

Scientology: The Thriving Cult of Greed and Power

Sea Org: Sweatshop labor on the high seas.
Scientology: A criminal organization.
It hits the fan.
The Daily Fail

There are dozens of other news articles just with a single google search of "Scientology crimes and abuses". Start there, and educate yourself.


Educate myself? Seriously? did you read what you consider your sources? The Wiki was solid, and I thank you for it, but the others are just unsourced hit pieces full of the hyperbolic language I spoke of earlier.

BigBooper: Madbassist1: Like I said, Einstein, I dont condone the church or its teachings. Only a moron would. Having said that, I havent seen any evidence of most of your post. Yeah they charge a fortune for their shiat, and yeah, they probably dont want people to have contact with non believers. Force? I doubt it. Also you keep using those words "well documented" I'm gonna have to inigo montoya you on that. I'd like to see some evidence of scientology extorting or destroying anyone. Not saying its not out there, just saying I've never seen it. Since its so well documented, maybe you can point me to it?

Holy Fark, are you serious? Do you not have access to GOOGLE on the planet you live on? You might as well be claiming that there's no proof that the Holocaust really happened.

You are either fantastically uninformed, or your a shill for the Scientologists.



Uninformed? Maybe. Fantastically so? Doubtful. I just read from an objective position. What I see in Brony's cites is a solid piece from wikipedia, and a bunch of unsourced allegations and reports from ex members of stuff that should be putting people in prison, but for some strange reason isn't.

What you read in those pieces may be different, but try to extract fact from that stuff an dyou come up empty. Theres a whole lot of "some say" in those pieces.

As I said before, I have no doubt that there is some truly wierd shiat going on with those folks, but I highly doubt they participate in forced labor and kidnapping.
 
2013-02-10 06:29:35 AM

lawboy87: Madbassist1,

Well documented: Scientology's attack on the group and individuals running the Cult Awareness Network (CAN).  They coordinated more than 50 Scientology members to file lawsuits (50+ Lawsuits altogether) against CAN.   Even though they basically never succeeded with a claim, the cost of defending this onslaught of lawsuits put CAN into bankruptcy* and wrecked the financial status of most of the individuals who organized CAN because they were sued not only as officers of CAN but on an individual basis.

*Scientology subsequently bought the CAN name (Trademark) in the bankruptcy auction and changed all of the information about Scientology to be positive.

There are currently 4 deaths at the Narconon (Scientology owned and operated drug treatment centers and program) at their Oklahoma facility which are under criminal investigation.   Widely reported that many "patients" at the facility were not there of their own free will.   The OSBI (Okla State Bureau of Investigation) just started their investigation in late October and it's still ongoing as there are literally thousands of leads based on the place being in business since the early 1990's.

There is also quite a bit of solid information about the death of Lisa McPherson and how Scientologist basically held her against her will, and incommunicado, at their Ft. Harrison Hotel in Clearwater, FL until her death by malnutrition.

You may want to read:   Church of Scientology of California v. Gerald Armstrong, 232 Cal. App. 3d 1060; 283 Cal. Rptr. 917 (Ct. App. 1991).  Armstrong was a former member who had been put to work collecting documents and materials in an effort to create a written biography of L Ron Hubbard.   During the course of his work, he discovered original documents which basically contradicted most of Hubbard's claims about himself.  He came to realize it was a scam and he and his wife left Scientology.

The court case centered around the fact that Armstrong had made copies of much of the mo ...


You're moving the goalposts, there, slick. I like the whole "if you're not with us, then you're with them" thing you threw in at the end, though. Being sue-happy is not a crime. I also notice you go back to "widely reported" (AKA "Some Say") on your oklahoma allegation. The appelate court ruling I can sure read, but if these guys are so damn dangerous why arent they in prison?
 
2013-02-10 06:38:15 AM
Yep slick, the reason why its  still "widely reported" is because the investigation isn't over (in regard to the Oklahoma Narconon matter.)   But what is not in Question is that there have been 4 suspicious deaths at the facility since August, 3 in October alone!

If anyone is moving goalposts, it's you.  You asked for "well documented" cases where Scientology did things to people to bring harm upon them.  I provided several instances that are well documented, along with one that is currently under investigation and you try to bring the focus on that one.

I wonder why no response or focus brought on the conspiracy of action in coordinated 50+ lawsuits against CAN?   Did they not basically ruin the lives of their opponents and cause them great financial losses?  Was it not well enough documented for you?
 
2013-02-10 06:40:09 AM
madbassist said, "but if these guys are so damn dangerous why arent they in prison? "

because they can afford to not be in prison? are all dangerous people in prison?
 
2013-02-10 06:45:51 AM

lawboy87: Yep slick, the reason why its  still "widely reported" is because the investigation isn't over (in regard to the Oklahoma Narconon matter.)   But what is not in Question is that there have been 4 suspicious deaths at the facility since August, 3 in October alone!

If anyone is moving goalposts, it's you.  You asked for "well documented" cases where Scientology did things to people to bring harm upon them.  I provided several instances that are well documented, along with one that is currently under investigation and you try to bring the focus on that one.

I wonder why no response or focus brought on the conspiracy of action in coordinated 50+ lawsuits against CAN?   Did they not basically ruin the lives of their opponents and cause them great financial losses?  Was it not well enough documented for you?


Is there something illegal about that? I'm not talking about ruining your opponents. Politicians have been doing that for centuries. I'm talking about slavery, extortion, kidnapping, murder. shiat that's illegal. What are you talking about? Also you didnt provide shiat, all due respect. You said a bunch of shiat, but didnt back it up, unlike Brony. I will say I did learn one thing though...

[http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Church_of_Scientology_v._G er ald_Armstrong&action=edit&section=4">edit] Post-litigation eventsAfter this 1991 decision, COS sued Armstrong in 1995 and 2002 for allegedly violating the confidentiality agreement. A California appellate court awarded damages to COS of $321,923 and attorneys fees of $334,671.75 in 1995, and $500,000 in damages in 2004. The court noted that "Armstrong makes no claim that he has complied, or will ever comply, with the injunction" and that Armstrong claims to now reside in Canada. Church of Scientology v. Superior Court, not reported in Cal.Rptr.3d (Cal.App. 1 Dist.), 2-7 http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Church_of_Scientology_International_v._S uperior_Court">s:Church of Scientology International v. Superior Court

So the poor poor man who was so victimized ended up owing almost a million dollars. Probably the "being a good person" penalty, amirite?
 
2013-02-10 06:47:01 AM

Kome: Still not any more insane than more traditional religions, like Oprahism or Voodoo.


what voodoo may sound like...

or perhaps...
 
2013-02-10 06:51:01 AM
In all (relative) seriousness that is possible here, The church of scientology reminds me of Best Korea.
 
2013-02-10 06:59:26 AM

PunGent: Kurmudgeon: lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane

Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.

Atheism is a religion like Not Collecting Stamps is a hobby.

Interesting how strong projection is in some folks, though.


it is the religion of fooling oneself into believing science is god.
 
2013-02-10 07:02:31 AM

fusillade762:  JAG?


www.statesidestills.com

I'll be in my bunk.
 
2013-02-10 07:04:44 AM

PunGent: Kurmudgeon: lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane

Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.

Atheism is a religion like Not Collecting Stamps is a hobby.

Interesting how strong projection is in some folks, though.


And Milhouse is not a meme is a meme. If you don't understand what that means in this context, then I'd probably refrain from quoting hack magicians in the near future... Or perhaps reading some of those "science" books I bet you tell everyone you love.
 
2013-02-10 07:05:33 AM

Waldo Pepper: PunGent: Kurmudgeon: lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane

Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.

Atheism is a religion like Not Collecting Stamps is a hobby.

Interesting how strong projection is in some folks, though.

it is the religion of fooling oneself into believing science is god.


Atheism isn't believing science is god.  It's believing that there is neither a god or a need for one.
 
2013-02-10 07:07:04 AM

lawboy87: Yep slick, the reason why its  still "widely reported" is because the investigation isn't over (in regard to the Oklahoma Narconon matter.)   But what is not in Question is that there have been 4 suspicious deaths at the facility since August, 3 in October alone!

If anyone is moving goalposts, it's you.  You asked for "well documented" cases where Scientology did things to people to bring harm upon them.  I provided several instances that are well documented, along with one that is currently under investigation and you try to bring the focus on that one.

I wonder why no response or focus brought on the conspiracy of action in coordinated 50+ lawsuits against CAN?   Did they not basically ruin the lives of their opponents and cause them great financial losses?  Was it not well enough documented for you?


http://youtu.be/Mzq2I9VveCc
 
2013-02-10 07:12:21 AM

Arumat: Waldo Pepper: PunGent: Kurmudgeon: lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane

Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.

Atheism is a religion like Not Collecting Stamps is a hobby.

Interesting how strong projection is in some folks, though.

it is the religion of fooling oneself into believing science is god.

Atheism isn't believing science is god.  It's believing that there is neither a god or a need for one.


keeping telling yourself that and you will always be wrong
 
2013-02-10 07:17:35 AM
 
2013-02-10 07:19:55 AM

Waldo Pepper: Arumat: Waldo Pepper: PunGent: Kurmudgeon: lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane

Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.

Atheism is a religion like Not Collecting Stamps is a hobby.

Interesting how strong projection is in some folks, though.

it is the religion of fooling oneself into believing science is god.

Atheism isn't believing science is god.  It's believing that there is neither a god or a need for one.

keeping telling yourself that and you will always be wrong


Meh, I'll believe what feels right to me.  You can do whatever feels right to you.
 
2013-02-10 07:37:50 AM
ultraholland: meh, she's got a John Travolta chin

that's a ballsy statement.
 
2013-02-10 07:41:14 AM
i know you can't buy beer from the stores until noon on sunday, but is it actually ILLEGAL to drink beer before that time?
 
2013-02-10 07:47:32 AM

Madbassist1: Educate myself? Seriously? did you read what you consider your sources? The Wiki was solid, and I thank you for it, but the others are just unsourced hit pieces full of the hyperbolic language I spoke of earlier.


I'm giving you some advice here. You need to read up on scientology and the Sea Org a lot more before you champion anything about them, or defend them from accusations that have been around for over fourty years.

You're pretty snarky, but you don't want to be known as a Scilon apologist on FARK. That's going to follow you forever on this website.
 
2013-02-10 07:54:31 AM

Arumat: Waldo Pepper: Arumat: Waldo Pepper: PunGent: Kurmudgeon: lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane

Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.

Atheism is a religion like Not Collecting Stamps is a hobby.

Interesting how strong projection is in some folks, though.

it is the religion of fooling oneself into believing science is god.

Atheism isn't believing science is god.  It's believing that there is neither a god or a need for one.

keeping telling yourself that and you will always be wrong

Meh, I'll believe what feels right to me.  You can do whatever feels right to you.


and there it is...someone else had that  "Do What Thou Wilt" philospohy and had connections to LRH

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley
 
2013-02-10 07:56:01 AM

HotWingAgenda:
What worries me is the chance that a few weeks from now we'll see all the headlines about how this girl is a fraud who really grew up in a Roman Catholic household and a normal family, etc.  Scientology is crazy, but this kind of supposed internal leak is too good to be true.  What if this Miscavige creep never returned her calls because he really has no connection to her?


You can stop worrying. She's one of the founders of exscientologykids.com, and has been speaking out against the church for years without anyone claiming she's a fraud.
Scientology is not denying her existense or her connection to the church; they have publicly acknowledged who she is, and that she was a member:
..The Church will not discuss private matters involving Ms. Hill, nor any of the efforts to exploit Mr. Miscavige's name.
We note that recollections in Ms. Hill's book about her schooling are dramatically at odds with the recollections of 30 of her classmates [...] it should be noted that once her time at the school was completed Ms. Hill as an adult voluntarily chose to continue in the Church's religious order (etc.)
 
2013-02-10 07:57:04 AM
That's nothing. Until you've been recruited into the Rainbow Vacuum cult, talk to the hand.
 
2013-02-10 07:58:36 AM

Kurmudgeon: lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane

Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.


Seriously, are you farking retarded?
 
2013-02-10 08:00:00 AM

Waldo Pepper: Arumat: Waldo Pepper: PunGent: Kurmudgeon: lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane

Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.

Atheism is a religion like Not Collecting Stamps is a hobby.

Interesting how strong projection is in some folks, though.

it is the religion of fooling oneself into believing science is god.

Atheism isn't believing science is god.  It's believing that there is neither a god or a need for one.

keeping telling yourself that and you will always be wrong


Keep telling atheists what they believe, and you'll always sound like an idiot.
 
2013-02-10 08:00:49 AM

Waldo Pepper: Arumat: Waldo Pepper: Arumat: Waldo Pepper: PunGent: Kurmudgeon: lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane

Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.

Atheism is a religion like Not Collecting Stamps is a hobby.

Interesting how strong projection is in some folks, though.

it is the religion of fooling oneself into believing science is god.

Atheism isn't believing science is god.  It's believing that there is neither a god or a need for one.

keeping telling yourself that and you will always be wrong

Meh, I'll believe what feels right to me.  You can do whatever feels right to you.

and there it is...someone else had that  "Do What Thou Wilt" philospohy and had connections to LRH

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley


You're one of those "If you're not afraid of Hell, why don't you rape/murder/steal at will?" kind of people aren't you?  The fact that I don't believe in a god or an afterlife guides me to do what I can to make THIS existence a better one, not just for myself but for those I come in contact with.  I generally try to do right by people, unless they provoke me to act differently.  Can you say you would do the same without the threat of eternal torment to make you be a "good boy"?
 
2013-02-10 08:01:56 AM

Dansker: Waldo Pepper: Arumat: Waldo Pepper: PunGent: Kurmudgeon: lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane

Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.

Atheism is a religion like Not Collecting Stamps is a hobby.

Interesting how strong projection is in some folks, though.

it is the religion of fooling oneself into believing science is god.

Atheism isn't believing science is god.  It's believing that there is neither a god or a need for one.

keeping telling yourself that and you will always be wrong

Keep telling atheists what they believe, and you'll always sound like an idiot.


so you are saying I would sound like an idiot trying to talk to fools..got it.
 
2013-02-10 08:06:04 AM

Waldo Pepper: Dansker: Waldo Pepper: Arumat: Waldo Pepper: PunGent: Kurmudgeon: lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane

Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.

Atheism is a religion like Not Collecting Stamps is a hobby.

Interesting how strong projection is in some folks, though.

it is the religion of fooling oneself into believing science is god.

Atheism isn't believing science is god.  It's believing that there is neither a god or a need for one.

keeping telling yourself that and you will always be wrong

Keep telling atheists what they believe, and you'll always sound like an idiot.

so you are saying I would sound like an idiot trying to talk to fools..got it.


You clearly have something. You should probably see a doctor about that.
 
2013-02-10 08:06:44 AM

Waldo Pepper: so you are saying I would sound like an idiot trying to talk to fools..got it.


no, that's just silly. What he said was, Keep telling atheists what they believe, and you'll always sound like an idiot.

You need new reading glasses.
 
2013-02-10 08:10:05 AM

Arumat: Waldo Pepper: Arumat: Waldo Pepper: Arumat: Waldo Pepper: PunGent: Kurmudgeon: lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane

Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.

Atheism is a religion like Not Collecting Stamps is a hobby.

Interesting how strong projection is in some folks, though.

it is the religion of fooling oneself into believing science is god.

Atheism isn't believing science is god.  It's believing that there is neither a god or a need for one.

keeping telling yourself that and you will always be wrong

Meh, I'll believe what feels right to me.  You can do whatever feels right to you.

and there it is...someone else had that  "Do What Thou Wilt" philospohy and had connections to LRH

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleister_Crowley

You're one of those "If you're not afraid of Hell, why don't you rape/murder/steal at will?" kind of people aren't you?  The fact that I don't believe in a god or an afterlife guides me to do what I can to make THIS existence a better one, not just for myself but for those I come in contact with.  I generally try to do right by people, unless they provoke me to act differently.  Can you say you would do the same without the threat of eternal torment to make you be a "good boy"?


at no point did I say these things. I simply compared your statement with another of the same ilk
 
2013-02-10 08:10:08 AM

Arumat: You're one of those "If you're not afraid of Hell, why don't you rape/murder/steal at will?" kind of people aren't you?


I hear a form of that statement whenever I get roped into a conversation about this crap. It's pretty farked up reasoning.
 
2013-02-10 08:14:26 AM
I've noticed a similarity between atheist and scientologist. If you say anything negative about either then they both try to switch positions and make it about the person who disagrees with them.

Atheism is a form as Satanism.
 
2013-02-10 08:16:09 AM

Waldo Pepper:
at no point did I say these things. I simply compared your statement with another of the same ilk


More idiocy. Crowley was an occultist who founded a religion.
 
2013-02-10 08:18:32 AM

Waldo Pepper: I've noticed a similarity between atheist and scientologist. If you say anything negative about either then they both try to switch positions and make it about the person who disagrees with them.

Atheism is a form as Satanism.


Are you always such an obvious troll, or are you capable of being entertaining sometimes?
 
2013-02-10 08:19:42 AM

Waldo Pepper: I've noticed a similarity between atheist and scientologist. If you say anything negative about either then they both try to switch positions and make it about the person who disagrees with them.

Atheism is a form as Satanism.


Satanism is a subset of Abrahamic beliefs that elevates the Satan character to god status. Atheists don't believe in gods.
 
2013-02-10 08:21:57 AM

Waldo Pepper: I've noticed a similarity between atheist and scientologist. If you say anything negative about either then they both try to switch positions and make it about the person who disagrees with them.

Atheism is a form as Satanism.


Yeah, I'm done with this "conversation".  You're at least as set in your ways as I am, so any point I make will be countered with this line of reasoning.  You will never accept that a viewpoint other than your own could have merit, and I'll never accept that you're not either a pompous self-righteous farkwit or a troll.
 
2013-02-10 08:25:06 AM

Mugato: Arumat: You're one of those "If you're not afraid of Hell, why don't you rape/murder/steal at will?" kind of people aren't you?

I hear a form of that statement whenever I get roped into a conversation about this crap. It's pretty farked up reasoning.


Just look them in the eyes, and tell them earnestly "fear of prosecution, most of the time ..." and keep a straight face. Works for me.
 
2013-02-10 08:26:27 AM

foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?


I tried reading Dianetics once. It's a book about improving your life through natural means, it has some good pointers, none that I remember off the top of my head because they were all so basic I just skipped over the pages and gave it back to my Scientology friend. It's basic self help stuff for weak-minded people that do not know how to be moral people without structure. Pretty much the basics for most religions. I think the allure comes from the basic structure and the need to have some blueprint for your moral (and spiritual) being which many people can't do on their own. The hook is the long term goal of being "clear" or their idea of a perfect person through lengthy steps. Now, granted, this is not a bad goal in itself and I've met a few Scientologists and former Scientologists who I thought were pretty amazing people, it's just that L. Ron's followers created a business out of it that became too lucrative to pass up. As usual, the idea of being a better person was passed up by the greedy aspects of the smarter people involved, or at least that's what I think. You know how some of us joke about if only we had lower morals we could easily milk the rubes by being Republican pundits, it's sort of like that. It's a religion based off his (L. Ron's) ideals of the perfect person, or the person he strove to be as he had a difficult life. And the rubes flocked to be milked for not being able to do that themselves.
 
2013-02-10 08:27:11 AM

Kurmudgeon: lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane

Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.


And to be quite sure, there is no such Faith as Atheism. Atheists may have faith in their belief system, but Atheism is absolute lack of Faith. Atheists are, by their very definition, Faithless, as they conclude that the universe is without God. Absence of God, and associated religion, means that they are, like Agnostics, Faithless.

And, no, neither Atheism, nor Agnosticism are religions. Neither are they Faiths. I have faith that due gravity the ground will be under my feet with every step I take, but NOBODY could misinterpret the relationship between me, my feet, and the ground as being a religious Faith (even to go as far as claiming that "Gravity is just an Atheist Conspiracy theory, anyways. I believe in Intelligent Falling").Bottom line being that you can't just jumble semantics into this because it suits your agenda. God would not be happy, brother.

/has faith in his Faith
//knows better than to try change the mind of an Atheist
 
2013-02-10 08:27:57 AM

Jorn the Younger: Waldo Pepper: I've noticed a similarity between atheist and scientologist. If you say anything negative about either then they both try to switch positions and make it about the person who disagrees with them.

Atheism is a form as Satanism.

Are you always such an obvious troll, or are you capable of being entertaining sometimes?


I did not realize I was here to entertain you, I'm sorry...hang on

there i just juggled some basketballs.....were you entertained?
 
2013-02-10 08:28:34 AM

Dansker: Satanism is a subset of Abrahamic beliefs that elevates the Satan character to god status. Atheists don't believe in gods.


Actually, LaVeyan Satanism has nothing to do with Satan. He just used it for name recognition.
 
2013-02-10 08:31:46 AM

foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?


To understand what Scientology does and why it does it, understand its history.  In World War II, Lafayette Ronald Hubbard was a mediocre US Navy officer.  He was discharged after the war, and wrote the VA asking for psychiatric help for his emotional/mental problems in the late 1940's.  His request was denied on the grounds that there was no evidence his problems were tied to his military service.  He was already by this point a pulp sci-fi writer.  He devoted himself to studying self-help books and eastern religions.  Several years later he came out with Dianetics, a self-help book that blended elements of eastern religions (talk about reincarnation mostly) with a lot of 1950's era computer jargon.

He opened a chain of "Dianetics Centers" that practiced the "auditing" counseling he advocated, which basically involved being hooked up to a crude lie detector while recounting traumatic times in your life (and past lives) while in a trance.  The idea was that all your mental and emotional problems came from bad "memory engrams" you acquired, which you could delete with help.  However, Dianetics centers began to claim that they could treat pretty much anything with this treatment, that all human frailties and weaknesses were due to engrams.  They were sued for practicing medicine without a license.

Because of the past-life elements of their practices, they rebranded themselves as a religion: Scientology.  They claimed religious exemption.  L. Ron Hubbard set up headquarters in the UK, and created his own private naval paramilitary arm of Scientology: the Sea Organization "Sea Org", with himself as Commodore.  Decades of legal battles ensued, meanwhile Scientology spread by taking advantage of the fad towards self-help books and practices.

Their teachings are a pastiche of new age and eastern religions, with some self-help dogma and you start to get into the sci-fi stuff at the higher levels.  They basically teach that everybody has a "thetan" (what most people would call spirits/souls), and those thetans have potentially godlike power over the universe, but they have lost those powers through countless lifetimes of trauma.  They promise that they can make you happier, healthier and overall better by following their treatments to eliminate those obstructions to power, to achieve a state called "clear" where your mind/spirit is clear and you can think clearly and have superhuman power.  However, that's not enough, once you get "clear", the pressure builds to become an "Operating Thetan" and become even more powerful, by learning their inner secrets.  The whole "Xenu" saga is part of the doctrine revealed at Operating Thetan level III or "OT III" as it's often called.

Meanwhile, Scientology was caught in the 1970's and early 1980's in several major scandals.  The two biggest were what Scientology called "Operation Freakout", where an author named Paulette Cooper was writing an expose book on Scientology.  They framed her for writing threatening letters to the President, and she was in deep legal trouble before the frame-job was exposed.  Even larger was what CoS called "Operation Snow White", which was a massive conspiracy to infiltrate many US Government offices and destroy or steal all records and evidence against Scientology.  Mary Sue Hubbard, L. Ron Hubbards's wife, went to Federal prison for her role in organizing that scheme.

Somehow, after this, the IRS granted Scientology its tax-exempt status, and the IRS has disobeyed court orders to disclose why they dropped their decades-long objection to doing so.  Needless to say, blackmail is suspected, but can't be confirmed.

The medical establishments treatment of them as quacks was treated as a vast conspiracy of psychiatrists to oppress mankind, and Scientology picked up the eradication of psychiatry as one of its goals.

You pay for every step of the way.  There are two ways in Scientology to get ahead: pay hundreds of thousands of dollars for their services, or join the Sea Org (involving signing a contract to them for one billion years of service, if you die, your next incarnation is expected to report in when it reaches the age of 18) and basically be a minion.  Accounts of life in the Sea Org are pretty grim, unless you're one of the inner circle.

Scientology does NOT preach treating your fellow man with respect.  Many Scientology spokesmen have said "We are not a turn the other cheek" religion.  They preach that Scientology must be spread, at all costs.

Redeeming qualities?  None.  Everything it provides that has any redeeming value can be found in other religions.  Since its teachings are basically some bits of Buddhism with a heavy layering of sci-fi and self-help on top of it.

If you want to study Scientology but not end up paying hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Church of Scientology, look up the "Freezone", what is essentially "Protestant Scientology", former Scientologists who still believe in Scientology but practice it away from the CoS.  Because of trademark and IP law issues, they have to use a different name.  You don't hear much about them because they don't recruit, and basically keep to themselves.  No big PR budget, no celebrity members, no flashy temples.
 
2013-02-10 08:33:29 AM

Mugato: Dansker: Satanism is a subset of Abrahamic beliefs that elevates the Satan character to god status. Atheists don't believe in gods.

Actually, LaVeyan Satanism has nothing to do with Satan. He just used it for name recognition.


Which still gives it a strong connection to abrahamic belief systems. And it's not the only form of Satanism. There are theistic Satanic churches.
 
2013-02-10 08:40:40 AM

foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?


If you are a homosexual celebrity, they will bankroll you suing the living crap our of anyone who says it (while also blackmailing you with the same information, so it's a little double edged).

If you are a homosexual celebrity who needs a wife, they will create elaborate fake castings so that you can pick one.

If you are a depressed and lonely non-celebrity, they can provide you with a sense of meaning and belonging, for a while, until they bankrupt you and lock you in a box.
 
2013-02-10 08:41:56 AM

Waldo Pepper: Atheism is a form as Satanism.


What the Fark? That's not even a coherent statement.
 
2013-02-10 08:46:48 AM

Kome: Still not any more insane than more traditional religions, like Oprahism or Voodoo.


christianity, islam, hindu, buddhism

scientologists look like rocket scientists compared to these retards, especially the christians

death to all christians, i'm ok you're ok

FOR SCIENCE!!!1!
 
2013-02-10 08:50:48 AM

Waldo Pepper: I've noticed a similarity between atheist and scientologist. If you say anything negative about either then they both try to switch positions and make it about the person who disagrees with them.

Atheism is a form as Satanism.


nuh uh, the boogey man can't hurt you as long as you don't believe in him

that's why i know it's a scientific fact that there is no god, because i'm an arsehole, and if he's real than he'd be one too

logic, how does it work? be rational

but just in case all my agnostic buddies are playing it safe, as long as you straddle the fence you can't lose :D

they are dumb, why worry about imaginary myths?? LOLZ lulz lulz lulz
 
2013-02-10 08:52:23 AM

I drunk what: Kome: Still not any more insane than more traditional religions, like Oprahism or Voodoo.

christianity, islam, hindu, buddhism

scientologists look like rocket scientists compared to these retards, especially the christians


Christians et al. are not so stupid that they'll pay large sums of money just to find out what their religion is about. In my book, that puts them miles ahead of Scientologists.

death to all christians

Don't worry, everybody dies.
 
2013-02-10 08:57:31 AM

Dansker: Waldo Pepper: I've noticed a similarity between atheist and scientologist. If you say anything negative about either then they both try to switch positions and make it about the person who disagrees with them.

Atheism is a form as Satanism.

Satanism is a subset of Abrahamic beliefs that elevates the Satan character to god status. Atheists don't believe in gods.


that's right, we believe in Nature and Science, and if you can't touch it with your tongue then it ain't real and we don't debate idiots who talk to their imaginary invisible sky wizard friends, for the same reason we don't debate particle physics with retards, i'm ok you're ok

there are people who can understand and use logic, science, reason, and rational and then there are you retards, i'm ok you're ok, who shouldn't be left alone without adult supervision :D

come join the side of reason, no faith required, just plain old scientific FACT Truth, we have lots of alcohol and the women adore us (because we all have giant man parts)
 
2013-02-10 09:03:01 AM

Space_Poet: Waldo Pepper: Atheism is a form as Satanism.

What the Fark? That's not even a coherent statement.


Athesists actualy have quite a bit in common with Christians.

Both profess to KNOW about the existance of God. Christians KNOW there IS a God, and Athiests KNOW there ISN'T a God.

It the agnostics who are like "eh, maybe. Can't prove it to be true, can't prove it to be false."
 
2013-02-10 09:03:08 AM

I drunk what: Dansker: Waldo Pepper: I've noticed a similarity between atheist and scientologist. If you say anything negative about either then they both try to switch positions and make it about the person who disagrees with them.

Atheism is a form as Satanism.

Satanism is a subset of Abrahamic beliefs that elevates the Satan character to god status. Atheists don't believe in gods.

that's right, we believe in Nature and Science, and if you can't touch it with your tongue then it ain't real and we don't debate idiots who talk to their imaginary invisible sky wizard friends, for the same reason we don't debate particle physics with retards, i'm ok you're ok

there are people who can understand and use logic, science, reason, and rational and then there are you retards, i'm ok you're ok, who shouldn't be left alone without adult supervision :D

come join the side of reason, no faith required, just plain old scientific FACT Truth, we have lots of alcohol and the women adore us (because we all have giant man parts)


I'm atheist, but that doesn't mean I'm on your side, where ever that is.
 
2013-02-10 09:04:29 AM

Dansker: I drunk what: Kome: Still not any more insane than more traditional religions, like Oprahism or Voodoo.

christianity, islam, hindu, buddhism

scientologists look like rocket scientists compared to these retards, especially the christians

Christians et al. are not so stupid that they'll pay large sums of money just to find out what their religion is about. In my book, that puts them miles ahead of Scientologists.


ORLY?


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I guess all those luxurious mega churches magically arrived from heaven?
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death to all christians

Don't worry, everybody dies.



yeah but they aren't doing it quick enough, we should help them
 
2013-02-10 09:08:33 AM

I drunk what: Dansker: I drunk what: Kome: Still not any more insane than more traditional religions, like Oprahism or Voodoo.

christianity, islam, hindu, buddhism

scientologists look like rocket scientists compared to these retards, especially the christians

Christians et al. are not so stupid that they'll pay large sums of money just to find out what their religion is about. In my book, that puts them miles ahead of Scientologists.

ORLY?


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I guess all those luxurious mega churches magically arrived from heaven?
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death to all christians

Don't worry, everybody dies.


yeah but they aren't doing it quick enough, we should help them


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2013-02-10 09:08:50 AM

BronyMedic: Madbassist1: Educate myself? Seriously? did you read what you consider your sources? The Wiki was solid, and I thank you for it, but the others are just unsourced hit pieces full of the hyperbolic language I spoke of earlier.

I'm giving you some advice here. You need to read up on scientology and the Sea Org a lot more before you champion anything about them, or defend them from accusations that have been around for over fourty years.

You're pretty snarky, but you don't want to be known as a Scilon apologist on FARK. That's going to follow you forever on this website.


The Irony...it burns...You're telling me not to question criticism of a farking cult or be marked as...expressing an opposing viewpoint? I ask you, which is the cult? Scientology or their critics? I mean how can I NOT be snarky when thats the argument?

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I do not condone the cult or its activities, but I see no evidence of forced labor, false imprisonment, extortion, murder, or any other illegal actions. I do want to watch the Mike Wallace documentary in hopes that it might provide substantiated allegations.

LMAO..."YOU ARE FORBIDDEN TO QUESTION OUR CRITICISM OF THE CULT" Damn you are a joke, son.
 
2013-02-10 09:09:33 AM

Dansker: I drunk what: Dansker: Waldo Pepper: I've noticed a similarity between atheist and scientologist. If you say anything negative about either then they both try to switch positions and make it about the person who disagrees with them.

Atheism is a form as Satanism.

Satanism is a subset of Abrahamic beliefs that elevates the Satan character to god status. Atheists don't believe in gods.

that's right, we believe in Nature and Science, and if you can't touch it with your tongue then it ain't real and we don't debate idiots who talk to their imaginary invisible sky wizard friends, for the same reason we don't debate particle physics with retards, i'm ok you're ok

there are people who can understand and use logic, science, reason, and rational and then there are you retards, i'm ok you're ok, who shouldn't be left alone without adult supervision :D

come join the side of reason, no faith required, just plain old scientific FACT Truth, we have lots of alcohol and the women adore us (because we all have giant man parts)

I'm atheist, but that doesn't mean I'm on your side, where ever that is.


the side of reason, logic, and rational, Science and Intelligence

are none of these things appealing to you? how about the liquor and praise from women? they love us

or if you're more interested in joining the side of bigots and hate speech and retards who think some invisible sky wizard used magic to create the universe, just so he could slaughter millions of innocent people,  you are welcome to it

we won't blame you its not your fault if you're an idiot, Nature makes you do stuff (free will is an illusion)

i'm ok you're ok
 
2013-02-10 09:10:57 AM

I drunk what: ORLY?


There's a difference between passing the collection plate at a church you don't even have to attend to be a Christian and charging people. You can buy a Bible for $10, steal one from a motel, a church might even give you one. They don't tell you the secrets of Scientology until you pay.

So yeah, kind of a difference.
 
2013-02-10 09:14:26 AM

Space_Poet: Waldo Pepper: Atheism is a form as Satanism.

What the Fark? That's not even a coherent statement.


Bald is a hair colour ;D

Not-stamp collecting is a hobby ;-P

christians are idiots, i'm ok you're ok

/death to them all, lulz jk
// ;-P
 
2013-02-10 09:15:41 AM

Mugato: I drunk what: ORLY?

There's a difference between passing the collection plate at a church you don't even have to attend to be a Christian and charging people. You can buy a Bible for $10, steal one from a motel, a church might even give you one. They don't tell you the secrets of Scientology until you pay.

So yeah, kind of a difference.


There really isn't true of one of the largest and fastest growing Christian congregations in the US: TV-based evangelical churches. The push and thrust for your money there is every bit as aggressive as the Scientologists.

Stop pretending that quaint Miss Marple Church of England church-roof-fund collection plate and occasional bric-a-brac sales is in any way representative of the majority of US Christian churches.
 
2013-02-10 09:16:55 AM

Bungles: Mugato: I drunk what: ORLY?

There's a difference between passing the collection plate at a church you don't even have to attend to be a Christian and charging people. You can buy a Bible for $10, steal one from a motel, a church might even give you one. They don't tell you the secrets of Scientology until you pay.

So yeah, kind of a difference.

There really isn't true of one of the largest and fastest growing Christian congregations in the US: TV-based evangelical churches. The push and thrust for your money there is every bit as aggressive as the Scientologists.

Stop pretending that quaint Miss Marple Church of England church-roof-fund collection plate and occasional bric-a-brac sales is in any way representative of the majority of US Christian churches.


/Jesus spiked my typing.
 
2013-02-10 09:23:26 AM

Silverstaff: foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?

To understand what Scientology does and why it does it, understand its history.  In World War II, Lafayette Ronald Hubbard was a mediocre US Navy officer.  He was discharged after the war, and wrote the VA asking for psychiatric help for his emotional/mental problems in the late 1940's.  His request was denied on the grounds that there was no evidence his problems were tied to his military service.  He was already by this point a pulp sci-fi writer.  He devoted himself to studying self-help books and eastern religions.  Several years later he came out with Dianetics, a self-help book that blended elements of eastern religions (talk about reincarnation mostly) with a lot of 1950's era computer jargon.

He opened a chain of "Dianetics Centers" that practiced the "auditing" counseling he advocated, which basically involved being hooked up to a crude lie detector while recounting traumatic times in your life (and past lives) while in a trance.  The idea was that all your mental and emotional problems came from bad "memory engrams" you acquired, which you could delete with help.  However, Dianetics centers began to claim that they could treat pretty much anything with this treatment, that all human frailties and weaknesses were due to engrams.  They were sued for practicing medicine without a license.

Because of the past-life elements of their practices, they rebranded themselves as a religion: Scientology.  They claimed religious exemption.  L. Ron Hubbard set up headquarters in the UK, and created his own private naval paramilitary arm of Scientology: the Sea Organization "Sea Org", with himself as C ...


Based on my limited knowledge of the 'religion' I think most everything you've said here is sound. My question to you is: Are you gonna source that C&P job or seriously try to make me think you wrote it?
 
2013-02-10 09:23:47 AM

Bungles: There really isn't true of one of the largest and fastest growing Christian congregations in the US: TV-based evangelical churches. The push and thrust for your money there is every bit as aggressive as the Scientologists.

Stop pretending that quaint Miss Marple Church of England church-roof-fund collection plate and occasional bric-a-brac sales is in any way representative of the majority of US Christian churches.


They're not as aggressive as the Scientologists. You don't have to go to those churches. And if you go, you don't have to pay. In Scientology you have to pay a specific amount if you want to stay and even if you want them to tell you what their beliefs are. Apples and Oranges.
 
2013-02-10 09:25:12 AM

I drunk what:
the side of reason, logic, and rational, Science and Intelligence

are none of these things appealing to you?


Of course, but I don't think you are a representative of any of that.
 
2013-02-10 09:26:07 AM

BronyMedic: fusillade762: They were married and sent on an assignment to Australia where - against church rules - they discovered TV and the Internet, where she read negative comments about her Uncle David.

TV is against church rules? Even Dharma & Greg?? JAG? Late seasons of Cheers?

Scientology REQUIRES every one of it's members who use a computer to install a program called Scieno Sitter onto their computer. It works in a manner similar to every other parental protection program on the market today, except that it not only blocks any websites which have negative mention of the CoS, but actively reports on that attempt to access that website back to it's master server. It also works in other programs, like Messenger programs, Skype, and IRC, and actively works to filter or block mentions of scientology scandals using keywords.


You should also install Apostrophe Catastrophe. It works in a manner similar to getting an icepick in each eye every time you can't tell ITS from IT IS.
 
2013-02-10 09:29:38 AM
Scientology is bullshiat, everyone knows that. If you don't, you're ignorant or idiotic.
Also my fellow atheists are being unwise and trying to defend their non-belief from trolls. You're doing it poorly as well.
 
2013-02-10 09:31:00 AM

Bungles: There really isn't true of one of the largest and fastest growing Christian congregations in the US: TV-based evangelical churches. The push and thrust for your money there is every bit as aggressive as the Scientologists.

Stop pretending that quaint Miss Marple Church of England church-roof-fund collection plate and occasional bric-a-brac sales is in any way representative of the majority of US Christian churches.


For every televangelist begging for money on TV and every megachurch shilling for god, you've got hundreds of smaller churches passing around the plate quietly.

Yeah, I'd say that the little bake sales and passing the collection plate is much more representative of the typical American Christian church than publicity whores with crosses.  You hear about the megachurches and televangelists because of money and marketing, but there are hundreds of thousands of smaller churches that are much more humble about the whole affair.

It's like saying that octomom and Casey Anthony are typical American mothers because you see them more on TV.  Being all over the media does not indicate being typical of anything.
 
2013-02-10 09:36:13 AM

I drunk what: Dansker: I drunk what: Kome: Still not any more insane than more traditional religions, like Oprahism or Voodoo.

christianity, islam, hindu, buddhism

scientologists look like rocket scientists compared to these retards, especially the christians

Christians et al. are not so stupid that they'll pay large sums of money just to find out what their religion is about. In my book, that puts them miles ahead of Scientologists.

ORLY?


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I guess all those luxurious mega churches magically arrived from heaven?


Try reading the actual words I wrote.
The bible, the Bhagadvad Ghita, The Tibetan book of the Dead, the collected writings of Sidharta/Buddha, the Quran etc are all freely available. Christian, Muslim and Taoist dogma is not a secret, and anybody can study the beliefs of various denominations to their heart's desire without paying a single dime before joining any church.
And unlike Scientology, church leaders, be they Christian, Muslim, Hindu or Sikh will not try to prosecute you for disemminating their holy scripture. Quite the opposite, they will thank you.

death to all christians

Don't worry, everybody dies.


yeah but they aren't doing it quick enough, we should help them


See, this is one of the reasons why I'm not on your side.
 
2013-02-10 09:37:11 AM

Silverstaff: For every televangelist begging for money on TV and every megachurch shilling for god, you've got hundreds of smaller churches passing around the plate quietly.


And even at the most obnoxious megachurches they don't literally hold a gun to your head. And the TV guys....they're on TV, you're at home. What can they do?

All these snarky "every religion is as bad as Scientology" is just inaccurate.

/cue someone mentioning the Crusades
 
Xai
2013-02-10 09:38:29 AM

highwayrun: starsrift: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?
...

So they got a 7-year old to sign a 'fake' contract then do 14 hour days of real work - tell me how it matters that the contract won't stand up in court again?

 
Xai
2013-02-10 09:40:19 AM

OgreMagi: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

A minor can not enter into a contract in the US without proper legal oversight (the legal guardian signs the contract, but it must be in the child's best interest).  Also, a billion year contract isn't enforceable, anyway.

/IANAL


As I said, if you're making them do 14 hour days of real work, what does it matter that the contract isn't legal? The poor kid believes it.
 
2013-02-10 09:43:35 AM

encyclopediaplushuman:
Also my fellow atheists are being unwise and trying to defend their non-belief from trolls. You're doing it poorly as well.


I don't care. I'm the kind of retard who likes arguing on the Internet, and it's a boring sunday afternoon.
Also, I'm not your fellow, pal.
 
2013-02-10 09:43:48 AM

Dansker: I drunk what:
the side of reason, logic, and rational, Science and Intelligence

are none of these things appealing to you?

Of course, but I don't think you are a representative of any of that.


well i hate god, so i'm already a master of all of them, QED

QFT

/Scientician Ph.D
 
2013-02-10 09:46:58 AM

Madbassist1: BronyMedic: Madbassist1: Educate myself? Seriously? did you read what you consider your sources? The Wiki was solid, and I thank you for it, but the others are just unsourced hit pieces full of the hyperbolic language I spoke of earlier.

I'm giving you some advice here. You need to read up on scientology and the Sea Org a lot more before you champion anything about them, or defend them from accusations that have been around for over fourty years.

You're pretty snarky, but you don't want to be known as a Scilon apologist on FARK. That's going to follow you forever on this website.

The Irony...it burns...You're telling me not to question criticism of a farking cult or be marked as...expressing an opposing viewpoint? I ask you, which is the cult? Scientology or their critics? I mean how can I NOT be snarky when thats the argument?

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I do not condone the cult or its activities, but I see no evidence of forced labor, false imprisonment, extortion, murder, or any other illegal actions. I do want to watch the Mike Wallace documentary in hopes that it might provide substantiated allegations.

LMAO..."YOU ARE FORBIDDEN TO QUESTION OUR CRITICISM OF THE CULT" Damn you are a joke, son.


How many eyewitnesses does it take to pass the Madbassist1 bar?
There have been a handful of interviews with major news networks and ex-scientologists. There are investigative journalism pieces. There are former church upper executives writing tell-alls. They're all available to you at the fu of the googles. How many of them will it take to convince you? If you're not actually interested in finding them, is your opinion valid or are you just another man who defends something about which he knows nothing?
 
2013-02-10 09:49:34 AM
God should be a guest on Letterman to clear all this up.
 
2013-02-10 09:50:14 AM
24.media.tumblr.com

seems appropriate
 
2013-02-10 09:53:13 AM

foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?


Don't you want to be at cause over MEST?
 
2013-02-10 09:54:04 AM

MythDragon:
Athesists actualy have quite a bit in common with Christians.

Both profess to KNOW about the existance of God. Christians KNOW there IS a God, and Athiests KNOW there ISN'T a God.


I'm atheist, and I don't know whether there are any gods. I just don't think there are.

It the agnostics who are like "eh, maybe. Can't prove it to be true, can't prove it to be false."

Sure, whatever makes you feel superior to everybody else.
 
2013-02-10 09:59:44 AM

I drunk what:
well i hate god,


Which one? And how can you hate what you don't believe is real?
 
2013-02-10 10:00:28 AM

Madbassist1: Silverstaff: foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?

To understand what Scientology does and why it does it, understand its history.  In World War II, Lafayette Ronald Hubbard was a mediocre US Navy officer.  He was discharged after the war, and wrote the VA asking for psychiatric help for his emotional/mental problems in the late 1940's.  His request was denied on the grounds that there was no evidence his problems were tied to his military service.  He was already by this point a pulp sci-fi writer.  He devoted himself to studying self-help books and eastern religions.  Several years later he came out with Dianetics, a self-help book that blended elements of eastern religions (talk about reincarnation mostly) with a lot of 1950's era computer jargon.

He opened a chain of "Dianetics Centers" that practiced the "auditing" counseling he advocated, which basically involved being hooked up to a crude lie detector while recounting traumatic times in your life (and past lives) while in a trance.  The idea was that all your mental and emotional problems came from bad "memory engrams" you acquired, which you could delete with help.  However, Dianetics centers began to claim that they could treat pretty much anything with this treatment, that all human frailties and weaknesses were due to engrams.  They were sued for practicing medicine without a license.

Because of the past-life elements of their practices, they rebranded themselves as a religion: Scientology.  They claimed religious exemption.  L. Ron Hubbard set up headquarters in the UK, and created his own private naval paramilitary arm of Scientology: the Sea Organization "Sea Org", with ...


Are there sources you would accept as legitimate? Because, so far you've attacked the source of all linked articles that others have offered. The Tampa Bay/St Petersburg Times archives have decades of stories about Scientology's misdeeds, including the Lisa McPhereson story.

Educate yourself. You've made the assertion that there is no documented evidence of criminal activity. You have been thoroughly rebutted. Now provide cites for your assertion.

Or 10/10. Weapons Grade Obtuseness
 
2013-02-10 10:00:47 AM

Madbassist1: Based on my limited knowledge of the 'religion' I think most everything you've said here is sound. My question to you is: Are you gonna source that C&P job or seriously try to make me think you wrote it?


Yes, I wrote that.  Sat down and wrote it.  Comparative theology is a hobby of mine, and I studied the teachings and history of Scientology as part of that.  I could write something similar about the history and doctrine of Catholicism, or Mahayana Buddhism, or Wicca (for example).

You think that was copy & paste?  If you want to waste your time trying to prove that, go ahead, but since I just sat down and typed some of what I know about the CoS, you'd just be going in circles.

You thought my off-the-cuff writing was some C&P job.  I'm kinda honored.
 
2013-02-10 10:08:08 AM

SpdrJay: Lulz!

You'd think this religion was made-up by a science-fiction writer.


As opposed to cave men like all the other religions.
 
2013-02-10 10:12:34 AM

Farking Canuck: SpdrJay: Lulz!

You'd think this religion was made-up by a science-fiction writer.

As opposed to cave men like all the other religions.


All currently existing religions originated some time within the past 5000 years, in fairly well organized societies.
Cave men? You need to read up on human history.
 
2013-02-10 10:21:47 AM

Xai: OgreMagi: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

A minor can not enter into a contract in the US without proper legal oversight (the legal guardian signs the contract, but it must be in the child's best interest).  Also, a billion year contract isn't enforceable, anyway.

/IANAL

As I said, if you're making them do 14 hour days of real work, what does it matter that the contract isn't legal? The poor kid believes it.


This is different from sprinkling magic liquid (or just declaring at birth) that a baby can never leave the church their parents are a member of and must therefore obey the holy strictures (including working 14-hour days)...how?  It's different from a parent forcing their child to do all that stuff under threat of beating...how?   It's nothing special, it's just child abuse.  It only continues to happen because of lawyers and money and the fact that it's still pretty hard to take kids away from an unfit parent.

You gotta get a great big katamari of evidence rolled up and then cram it up someone's ass all at once.
 
2013-02-10 10:22:20 AM

0Icky0: Ral: Miscavige just radiates "evil supervillain" in just about every picture I've ever seen of him.  It's so stark it's comical.

The best supervillians don't radiate anything like that. Which is how they get away with it.
I'm looking at you James Taylor.


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2013-02-10 10:27:49 AM

TheBigJerk: This is different from sprinkling magic liquid (or just declaring at birth) that a baby can never leave the church their parents are a member of and must therefore obey the holy strictures (including working 14-hour days)...how?


You guys are desperate to equate Scientology with other religions and it just isn't happening.
 
2013-02-10 10:30:05 AM

Dansker: Farking Canuck: SpdrJay: Lulz!

You'd think this religion was made-up by a science-fiction writer.

As opposed to cave men like all the other religions.

All currently existing religions originated some time within the past 5000 years, in fairly well organized societies.
Cave men? You need to read up on human history.


Transitive theology.  Caveman gods eventually became city-folk gods.

Also cave men had fairly well-organized societies and some of YOUR "well organized societies" lived in areas where caves were the best building material.

Anyhoo, I do find scientology's creation of Earth story to be more entertaining and interesting than, "let their be light."
 
2013-02-10 10:38:15 AM

Mugato: TheBigJerk: This is different from sprinkling magic liquid (or just declaring at birth) that a baby can never leave the church their parents are a member of and must therefore obey the holy strictures (including working 14-hour days)...how?

You guys are desperate to equate Scientology with other religions and it just isn't happening.


You keep trying to split hairs that ONE religion is bad but the others are okay, when the rest of us don't care because they all suck.

And my point was that the contract is irrelevant, it is simply the method.  ANY religion could be used (and *is* used) by abusers to control the abused.  Most stories I've run across where crazy abusive parent farked up his or her kid had the crazy abusive parent using god as one of his or her beat-sticks.  "The good lord told me to beat the devil outta you boy!"

But please, continue to throw tantrums in defense of a group (christians, clearly) that don't need or deserve it.
 
2013-02-10 10:39:22 AM

johne3819: starsrift: foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?

Well, it starts with confession. Which is nice, people like to talk about their problems, and it usually helps a person to "talk things out", even when they're an introvert or whatnot. But the goal of scientologists is supposedly self-improvement and freedom from human limitations of psyche and mentality. Strangely, this seems to be accomplished by oppressing the human and then giving him moments of freedom from oppression. This is kind of like half-drowning someone and letting them breathe every now and then. Unsurprisingly, they then become really happy about being able to breathe - or to discontinue the metaphor, stop being oppressed. Ta da!

From what I've learned, the auditors take copious notes on these sessions.  They are then used to control the confessor to toe the church line.

This is all heresay and conjecture, but it's been consistent in my readings


I lived in the Clearwater area for awhile & spent about a year observing scientology from within.  Had heard lots of bad things, but had always been a student of comparative religion, so I thought of it as an opportunity to see for myself their system.  They truly meet all the hallmarks of a cult.  The auditing sessions are indeed used for blackmail, as I learned when I finally tired of messing with their heads and decided to discontinue their courses & "counseling".  Fortunately, I'm far more devious than they realized.  I made up stuff for the auditing, so when they tried to blackmail me into staying, I just laughed & told them to go ahead & make my dirty laundry public.

They were so easy to fark with, it was endlessly amusing.....I was such a "covert hostile" AKA pain in the ass, I thought they'd be happy to see me go.  *she laughs, an evil laugh*
 
2013-02-10 10:42:07 AM

Dansker: MythDragon:
Athesists actualy have quite a bit in common with Christians.

Both profess to KNOW about the existance of God. Christians KNOW there IS a God, and Athiests KNOW there ISN'T a God.

I'm atheist, and I don't know whether there are any gods. I just don't think there are.

It the agnostics who are like "eh, maybe. Can't prove it to be true, can't prove it to be false."

Sure, whatever makes you feel superior to everybody else.


That would be my penis.

/And where did I say I was agnostic?
 
2013-02-10 10:42:22 AM

TheBigJerk:
Transitive theology.  Caveman gods eventually became city-folk gods.

Also cave men had fairly well-organized societies and some of YOUR "well organized societies" lived in areas where caves were the best building material.


Until the invention of agriculture most humans were nomads. Living in caves was never the norm.
"Cave men" is mostly an invention of cartoonists*.

*) yes, there were small communities in prehistoric times that lived in caves in e.g. France, but those were exceptions, not the rule.
 
2013-02-10 10:43:41 AM

TheBigJerk: But please, continue to throw tantrums in defense of a group (christians, clearly) that don't need or deserve it.


I'm not defending anything but I and others here have explained very clearly why Scientology is worse than most other religions. And I'm hardly throwing a tantrum. Trying to cram a square peg into a round hole by attempting to equate Scientology and everything else just is not working.
 
2013-02-10 10:45:56 AM

Dansker: TheBigJerk:
Transitive theology.  Caveman gods eventually became city-folk gods.

Also cave men had fairly well-organized societies and some of YOUR "well organized societies" lived in areas where caves were the best building material.

Until the invention of agriculture most humans were nomads. Living in caves was never the norm.
"Cave men" is mostly an invention of cartoonists*.

*) yes, there were small communities in prehistoric times that lived in caves in e.g. France, but those were exceptions, not the rule.


I was using the term as a measure of societal development ... not to describe their living rooms.

More of a "Uggg ... why sun come up. Must be god!! I am Zugg, high priest of the sun god, give me money and I will tell you how to please sun god!!".
 
2013-02-10 10:46:01 AM
MythDragon
/And where did I say I was agnostic?

If I inferred erroneously, you have my most sincere apology. But based on your comment, you're probably not atheist.
 
2013-02-10 10:48:37 AM

Kurmudgeon: lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane

Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.


...which is nothing like assuming a creator that created itself...

/invoking additional complexity etc...
 
2013-02-10 10:49:31 AM

foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?


Actually those would be DC-8's, not 737's. As for redeeming qualities, if your aim is to line the pockets of the rulers, it's about the best religion out there.
 
2013-02-10 10:53:31 AM

TimeCubeFan: Actually those would be DC-8's, not 737's. As for redeeming qualities, if your aim is to line the pockets of the rulers, it's about the best religion out there.


Ummm ... the aim of all religions is to line the pockets of their rulers. Scientology is doing well but it cannot challenge the riches of the catholic church ... they could end world hunger by selling off part of their art collection..
 
2013-02-10 10:58:29 AM

Mugato: Bungles: There really isn't true of one of the largest and fastest growing Christian congregations in the US: TV-based evangelical churches. The push and thrust for your money there is every bit as aggressive as the Scientologists.

Stop pretending that quaint Miss Marple Church of England church-roof-fund collection plate and occasional bric-a-brac sales is in any way representative of the majority of US Christian churches.

They're not as aggressive as the Scientologists. You don't have to go to those churches. And if you go, you don't have to pay. In Scientology you have to pay a specific amount if you want to stay and even if you want them to tell you what their beliefs are. Apples and Oranges.


Just think about the scale difference though.

Current estimates put the total Scientology congregation at no more than 20 or 30 thousand.

That's fewer than than estimates of the children raped by clergy of the of the Catholic Church in Ireland alone.

It's fewer than the congregation of a single mega church, pouring their money away to a snakeoil fraudster.

It's fewer than the single mothers kept as slaves in laundriesby the Catholic Church.

Sure it's apples and oranges, but I think you've got the worst offenders mixed up, because you're ignoring scale.
 
2013-02-10 10:59:05 AM

Farking Canuck:
I was using the term as a measure of societal development ... not to describe their living rooms.

More of a "Uggg ... why sun come up. Must be god!! I am Zugg, high priest of the sun god, give me money and I will tell you how to please sun god!!".


Christianity, Islam, Buddhism etc all originated in societies that were well aware that the sun appears to move across the sky because the Earth spins on it's axis.
 
2013-02-10 11:05:16 AM

Farking Canuck:
Ummm ... the aim of all religions is to line the pockets of their rulers.


No, that may be the aim of most clerical systems, but Christian dogma tells its followers to give up their possessions and share their riches with the needy (not the needy priests, mind you), and the same goes for Buddhism.
 
2013-02-10 11:12:27 AM

Kurmudgeon: lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane

Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.


Theist:  God created everything.

Atheist:  So who created God?

Theist:  God is eternal and uncreated!

Atheist:  Why can't the universe be eternal and uncreated?

Theist:  HAHAHAHA!  That's insane!!
 
2013-02-10 11:13:34 AM
Silverstaff: Somehow, after this, the IRS granted Scientology its tax-exempt status, and the IRS has disobeyed court orders to disclose why they dropped their decades-long objection to doing so.  Needless to say, blackmail is suspected, but can't be confirmed. 

One of the major reasons the CoS got tax exempt status was because of Operation Snow White.  It essentially farked with the IRS so much that the IRS and the rest of the US Gov essentially gave up the argument about whether it was a religion or not and granted them tax exempt status.  In fact, the CoS managed not only to get the US Gov the acknowledge Scientology as a religion but it also allowed bases outside of the US to have a certain level of protection against foreign governments.  No other religion has these same protections.

Celebrities from the CoS still lean on US Gov officials to keep the government off the Church's back.  Tom Cruise spent a significant amount of time with Dick Cheney talking to him about the CoS.  They regularly use their celebrity power to influence local officials (particularly in Florida) to make certain cases go away, such as the case of Lisa McPhee.

I've done a lot of reading about the CoS and just finished Going Clear by Lawrence Wright.  It give a really good picture of what Scientology is.  A lot of the first generation Scientologist left or were forced out after Hubbard died and Miscavige took over.  Sea Org members really can't leave.  And if people do manage to escape, they are often found and brought back because they have no money and no family to go to.  It is like escaping from Mormon compounds.  There have been a few high profile defects recently, suck as Mark "Marty" Rathburn and Tommy Davis. But their lives are not at all pleasant now for it.
 
xcv
2013-02-10 11:34:42 AM

GreatGlavinsGhost: oMaJoJ: He looks like a farking super villain.
*snip*

No he doesn't.

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He looks like a little man who's overcompensating.


Mayor of Munchkinville
 
2013-02-10 11:38:54 AM

Jon iz teh kewl: every time i see CoS i think of

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I was given one of the last books as a Christmas present this year, and decided to go back and re-read the rest of the series. I wonder what a religion thought up by Robert Jordan would end up looking like.

/Stop sniffing at me, woman! I just got out of the flaming bath!
 
2013-02-10 11:47:15 AM

Bungles: Sure it's apples and oranges, but I think you've got the worst offenders mixed up, because you're ignoring scale.


Alright, the churches are bad in different ways. But the fact remains that you don't even have to acknowledge that the Church exists to be a Christian. You can get a Bible and pray or sing a hymn or whatever it is they do and never set foot in a church or give anyone a dime and still be a Christian. Not so with Scientology. Why you people keep ignoring that glaring difference eludes me.

And I'm not white knighting Christianity. This applies to all other religions. Christianity is just the one that comes up the most when the "well other religions are just as bad" argument comes up.
 
2013-02-10 11:57:43 AM
Pascal was a wuss.
 
2013-02-10 12:01:51 PM

Oldiron_79: Scientology: The cult so wacky it makes mormons look sane.


FTFY
 
2013-02-10 12:08:02 PM

Jake Havechek: Pascal was a wuss.


Not to mention having some blind spots.

img.photobucket.com
 
2013-02-10 12:51:32 PM
She was on the Opie and Anthony show on Friday. It was an interesting interview. Can't post a link on the phone though, but the whole thing is on YouTube.
 
2013-02-10 01:29:33 PM

Dansker: Farking Canuck:
Ummm ... the aim of all religions is to line the pockets of their rulers.

No, that may be the aim of most clerical systems, but Christian dogma tells its followers to give up their possessions and share their riches with the needy (not the needy priests, mind you), and the same goes for Buddhism.


Yes they say this but it is really hard to hear them from behind their huge piles of money. Scam artists tell you their snake-oil works ... this does not make it true.
 
2013-02-10 01:33:55 PM
i41.photobucket.com
"Did you hear that, George? Lloyd Braun is in charge of his own cult!"
 
2013-02-10 01:38:12 PM

Kome: Still not any more insane than more traditional religions, like Oprahism or Voodoo.


Aaaaaaaand we're done!

lovefirststool: Oldiron_79: Scientology: The religion so wacky it makes mormons look sane.

Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane. Mormons, Muslims, and whatever other dredge are the philosophical retards of our Johnny come lately made up dogma.


Wow. I bet you consider yourself 'tolerant' too.
 
2013-02-10 01:46:32 PM

PunGent: Kurmudgeon: lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane

Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.

Atheism is a religion like Not Collecting Stamps is a hobby.

Interesting how strong projection is in some folks, though.


Get back to us when people start writing books on 'How To Not Collect Stamps' and we will have something to discuss.

See the trouble with vocal atheists is just that: their vocalization.
it's not enough for them to disbelieve/deny the existence of God/gods; no they want EVERYONE else to disbelieve/deny the existence of God/gods  too and that dear sir is the a form of religion; getting others to  believe what you believe.

And I post this as a hard-core agnostic.
 
2013-02-10 01:58:20 PM

Space_Poet: It's basic self help stuff for weak-minded people that do not know how to be moral people without structure. Pretty much the basics for most religions.


With this statement  you prove your understanding of why people have faith in a religion could fit in a thimble.

You opinion of your fellow humans is borderline disgusting.

I bet you're an atheist.
 
2013-02-10 02:03:01 PM

Arumat: Lots of people getting out of whackjob religions lately.  I wonder how long it'll be until people start going public with their death-defying escapes from the Vatican.


Exactly, seeing that the catholic church is just a privately held, for-profit industry, this company, like other for-profit "religions" (namely, scientology), has member leaving due to the economic crisis.

With most religions in the U.S., parts of the "flock" just walk away, basically because they can't afford to be a member.
 
2013-02-10 02:04:54 PM

Farking Canuck: Dansker: Farking Canuck:
Ummm ... the aim of all religions is to line the pockets of their rulers.

No, that may be the aim of most clerical systems, but Christian dogma tells its followers to give up their possessions and share their riches with the needy (not the needy priests, mind you), and the same goes for Buddhism.

Yes they say this but it is really hard to hear them from behind their huge piles of money.


Their holy scripture says it, unequivocaly, and in my country the Christian clericy is not particularly wealthy. They're not exactly poor either, but they have no huge piles of money.
And just because people like to construct exploitative power hierachies based on belief systems doesn't mean the aim of the underlying belief is to enrich and empower those at the top. It just means that human greed can find a way in spite of all good intentions.
 
2013-02-10 02:09:11 PM

douchebag/hater: You opinion of your fellow humans is borderline disgusting.


dude, roll another and inhale this time.
 
2013-02-10 02:09:41 PM

douchebag/hater:
See the trouble with vocal atheists is just that: their vocalization.
it's not enough for them to disbelieve/deny the existence of God/gods; no they want EVERYONE else to disbelieve/deny the existence of God/gods  too and that dear sir is the a form of religion; getting others to  believe what you believe.


I'm atheist, occasionally vocal about it, and I don't give a crap what other people believe, only what they do.
 
Ehh
2013-02-10 02:13:12 PM

BronyMedic: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

It's not. It's full of total BS. And everyone knows it at the highest echelons of Scientology.

It's not those contracts that, for the most part, keep their believers in line. It's the fear of the army of lawyers being unleashed upon them, and the fear of being dead agented and having their deepest secrets outed, true or not true. Every member of scientology has a dossier collected on them from the first audit of negative information.

Paper terrorism is a powerful motivator.


Just ask Joan Wood.
 
2013-02-10 02:47:56 PM

douchebag/hater: PunGent: Kurmudgeon: lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane

Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.

Atheism is a religion like Not Collecting Stamps is a hobby.

Interesting how strong projection is in some folks, though.

Get back to us when people start writing books on 'How To Not Collect Stamps' and we will have something to discuss.

See the trouble with vocal atheists is just that: their vocalization.


If only they would be SILENT, and HIDE from persecuters and pretend to be good little theists like back when atheism was a crime.  How dare they write self-help books telling people "It's okay, you're not alone in the world, the overbearing church that heaps shame and hate upon you every day is not the only thing in the world," and the like?

Monsters, that's what.
 
2013-02-10 03:03:44 PM

Dansker: and in my country the Christian clericy is not particularly wealthy


Well...maybe.  The (I am assuming Catholic) average priest lives a lot like Al Capone, who officially made no money at all, but had millions rolling in under the table and sewn into his organization, and that's just the workaday preacher.  Go up the ranks a bit and you've got boys living in great big mansions, surrounded by priceless artwork, eating super-expensive caviar, and (down-low) bangin' imported prostitutes.  To be sure he doesn't OWN any of that, but he doesn't particularly need to either.  It's the great lie we tell ourselves that ONE kind of power is different from ANOTHER kind of power.

Dansker: Farking Canuck:
I was using the term as a measure of societal development ... not to describe their living rooms.

More of a "Uggg ... why sun come up. Must be god!! I am Zugg, high priest of the sun god, give me money and I will tell you how to please sun god!!".

Christianity, Islam, Buddhism etc all originated in societies that were well aware that the sun appears to move across the sky because the Earth spins on it's axis.


Oh, I see.

You's trollin'
 
2013-02-10 03:31:18 PM

TheBigJerk: Dansker: and in my country the Christian clericy is not particularly wealthy

Well...maybe.  The (I am assuming Catholic) average priest lives a lot like Al Capone, who officially made no money at all, but had millions rolling in under the table and sewn into his organization, and that's just the workaday preacher.


You made the wrong assumption. Catholics are a tiny minority here.
Besides, my point was to differentiate between a religion's philosophy and its clericy. As in: The priests may be focused on their own enrichment and empowerment without that being the intended goal of the faith's creators or adherants.

Christianity, Islam, Buddhism etc all originated in societies that were well aware that the sun appears to move across the sky because the Earth spins on it's axis.

Oh, I see.

You's trollin'


The earth being spherical and rotating has been known since at least the ancient greeks.
 
2013-02-10 03:47:32 PM

Mugato: Bungles: Sure it's apples and oranges, but I think you've got the worst offenders mixed up, because you're ignoring scale.

Alright, the churches are bad in different ways. But the fact remains that you don't even have to acknowledge that the Church exists to be a Christian. You can get a Bible and pray or sing a hymn or whatever it is they do and never set foot in a church or give anyone a dime and still be a Christian. Not so with Scientology. Why you people keep ignoring that glaring difference eludes me.

And I'm not white knighting Christianity. This applies to all other religions. Christianity is just the one that comes up the most when the "well other religions are just as bad" argument comes up.


and there are no hidden levels or ladders one has to pay or work up to achieve greater status.
 
2013-02-10 03:50:19 PM
back to the subject of the tread.  Why hasn't anyone be able to unlock what COS found with operation snow white?
 
2013-02-10 04:02:17 PM
TheBigJerk:You gotta get a great big katamari of evidence rolled up and then cram it up someone's ass all at once.

Naaaaaa-na-na-na-na-na-na-naaaa, Katamari Suppository...
 
2013-02-10 04:26:39 PM

douchebag/hater: Kome: Still not any more insane than more traditional religions, like Oprahism or Voodoo.

Aaaaaaaand we're done!

lovefirststool: Oldiron_79: Scientology: The religion so wacky it makes mormons look sane.

Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane. Mormons, Muslims, and whatever other dredge are the philosophical retards of our Johnny come lately made up dogma.

Wow. I bet you consider yourself 'tolerant' too.


Me? Noooo.

I could see how faith or belief could help on a personal level. Why do I have cancer? Why did mom die? Why is my ball team losing?

But religion, any religion, the institution, the whole man-made man-driven crusade-making, suicide-bombing, inquisitioning, child diddling fark up is worthless. Maybe it had a purpose at some point. Now it's an ongoing erosion of humanity and excuse for willful ignorance.

And no, I don't have a particularly high opinion of my fellow man, and yes, I'm a fairly intolerant arsehole. Just like your god made me.
 
2013-02-10 04:58:53 PM

Space_Poet: I tried reading Dianetics once


I tried reading Dianetics and Atlas Shrugged when I was a kid. As my wont back then I opened both to a random page and started reading.... nope.jpg.  That's the trick with books, read a random page and either you'll want to start reading from the beginning or not.

\Grew up in California.
\\Natural immunity against cults.
 
2013-02-10 05:43:00 PM

Mugato: TheBigJerk: This is different from sprinkling magic liquid (or just declaring at birth) that a baby can never leave the church their parents are a member of and must therefore obey the holy strictures (including working 14-hour days)...how?

You guys are desperate to equate Scientology with other religions and it just isn't happening.


Thank you. It seems these "faithful" see a criticism about one of them (the cult) is an attack against all of them. (Kinda like gun nuts believe if the mentally ill aren't allowed to have rocket launchers, Obama is taking everyone's guns away.)
 
2013-02-10 06:03:56 PM

Silverstaff: Madbassist1: Based on my limited knowledge of the 'religion' I think most everything you've said here is sound. My question to you is: Are you gonna source that C&P job or seriously try to make me think you wrote it?

Yes, I wrote that.  Sat down and wrote it.  Comparative theology is a hobby of mine, and I studied the teachings and history of Scientology as part of that.  I could write something similar about the history and doctrine of Catholicism, or Mahayana Buddhism, or Wicca (for example).

You think that was copy & paste?  If you want to waste your time trying to prove that, go ahead, but since I just sat down and typed some of what I know about the CoS, you'd just be going in circles.

You thought my off-the-cuff writing was some C&P job.  I'm kinda honored.


Then you took it how I meant it. I thought it was a professional job. Nice work.
 
2013-02-10 06:14:40 PM

Uranus Is Huge!: Educate yourself. You've made the assertion that there is no documented evidence of criminal activity. You have been thoroughly rebutted. Now provide cites for your assertion.


I mde no such assertion. What I assert is that when asking you guys for information instead of giving me hard articles, I'm getting puffball BS filled not with proof but rather accusations justified by weasel words like "some say" and "highly reported". that means nothing. Brony Medic's wiki and Silverstaff's court cite are both valid examples of good sourcing so read what they cited if you want to know what I am looking for. Read everything else Brony cited except the wiki to see what I am NOT looking for.
 
2013-02-10 06:19:31 PM

Madbassist1: Uranus Is Huge!: Educate yourself. You've made the assertion that there is no documented evidence of criminal activity. You have been thoroughly rebutted. Now provide cites for your assertion.

I mde no such assertion. What I assert is that when asking you guys for information instead of giving me hard articles, I'm getting puffball BS filled not with proof but rather accusations justified by weasel words like "some say" and "highly reported". that means nothing. Brony Medic's wiki and Silverstaff's court cite are both valid examples of good sourcing so read what they cited if you want to know what I am looking for. Read everything else Brony cited except the wiki to see what I am NOT looking for.


No, you're getting made fun of because you're being incredibly obtuse in the face of numerous people telling you that mountains of information from reliable journalistic sources are only a google search away. The fact that you're incredulous about it, or unwilling to do simple research, doesn't change that fact.
 
2013-02-10 07:11:07 PM

Dansker: Jake Havechek: Pascal was a wuss.

Not to mention having some blind spots.

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I like the contrast, I just wish whoever made that hadn't mangled the Homer quote.
 
2013-02-10 07:21:22 PM

fusillade762: Dansker: Jake Havechek: Pascal was a wuss.

Not to mention having some blind spots.

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I like the contrast, I just wish whoever made that hadn't mangled the Homer quote.


This is where I emphatically stress that it wasn't me, I only gissed.
But I might make a fixed version if I find the time tomorrow, just in case religion ever comes up on Fark again. What's the correct quote?

..."gissed" is a word, right?
 
2013-02-10 07:41:04 PM

Dansker: fusillade762: Dansker: Jake Havechek: Pascal was a wuss.

Not to mention having some blind spots.

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I like the contrast, I just wish whoever made that hadn't mangled the Homer quote.

This is where I emphatically stress that it wasn't me, I only gissed.
But I might make a fixed version if I find the time tomorrow, just in case religion ever comes up on Fark again. What's the correct quote?

..."gissed" is a word, right?


"What if we've picked the wrong religion? Every week we're just making God madder and madder?"
 
2013-02-10 07:46:41 PM

fusillade762:
"What if we've picked the wrong religion? Every week we're just making God madder and madder?"


Thanks! Much better, succinct and to the point.
 
2013-02-10 07:53:03 PM

BronyMedic: No, you're getting made fun of because you're being incredibly obtuse in the face of numerous people telling you that mountains of information from reliable journalistic sources are only a google search away. The fact that you're incredulous about it, or unwilling to do simple research, doesn't change that fact.


Made fun of? LOL what are you, 12? (Its a rhetorical question, I know you are older). Why would I want to do a google search, theres plenty of good material right here in this thread that I can follow up on. Your wiki leading the charge. As I said earlier, your wiki and silvers case cite were the only cites in this thread worth a damn. Go reread them.No evidence at all just widely reported, some say and (this one really sucks) citing other articles as sources. Thats not reporting. Thats muckraking.
 
2013-02-10 08:04:17 PM

DS1970: Arumat: Lots of people getting out of whackjob religions lately.  I wonder how long it'll be until people start going public with their death-defying escapes from the Vatican.

Exactly, seeing that the catholic church is just a privately held, for-profit industry, this company, like other for-profit "religions" (namely, scientology), has member leaving due to the economic crisis.

With most religions in the U.S., parts of the "flock" just walk away, basically because they can't afford to be a member.


I was mostly joking with that statement.  I didn't start to seriously post until somebody tried to use a really stupid definition of atheism later in the thread.  Although I suppose the Pope's ex-butler would probably have a few things to say at this point.  We really need a sarcasm font on this site.
 
2013-02-10 08:12:10 PM

Madbassist1: , theres plenty of good material right here in this thread that I can follow up on. Your wiki leading the charge. As I said earlier, your wiki and silvers case cite were the only cites in this thread worth a damn.


Operation Clambake is a pretty good starting point too, as long as you keep your critical thinking organ engaged.
 
2013-02-10 08:14:41 PM
She and her husband also learned about the top-level Scientology secrets like a lot of non-church civilians did: In an episode of "South Park," the show parodied Scientology's origin story about a "galactic overlord" named Xenu and billions of alien spirits.

That's how I learned about it. I thought it was just South Park's way of being goofy till a friend of mine told me.
/not a religious person
 
2013-02-10 08:16:43 PM

Madbassist1: Made fun of? LOL what are you, 12? (Its a rhetorical question, I know you are older). Why would I want to do a google search, theres plenty of good material right here in this thread that I can follow up on. Your wiki leading the charge. As I said earlier, your wiki and silvers case cite were the only cites in this thread worth a damn. Go reread them.No evidence at all just widely reported, some say and (this one really sucks) citing other articles as sources. Thats not reporting. Thats muckraking.


Then why are you being purposely obtuse for the point of being obtuse. I think you doth protest too much. While we're on the topic, I want to address something that you posted earlier in the thread.

Madbassist1: The person I knew who was into it, and everyone he knew who left the org, juswt got in theirtheir cars and left when they were ready. No one 'forced' them to stay, or threatened them. If you read the article, it says the same here. Sure they tried to get them to reconsider,, but any organization would do that.

For someone who doesn't "know anything" about Scientology, since you're wanting to play ignorant, you know an awful lot about the lingo that Scientology speaks about their group with. They have their own langauge, and calling it "the Org" is part of it.

So I really want you to be honest with us here. You're not as dumb as you're pretending to be, are you?
 
2013-02-10 08:41:46 PM

hotter than the ads: foo monkey: What are the good points of Scientology?  What does Scientology teach?  Every major religion teaches the same fundamental rules of treating your family and fellow man with respect.  All I hear about Scientology is no medicine, silent births, forced work camps, 737s dropping bombs into volcanoes, Tom Cruise, and Jon Travolta.  What are the redeeming qualities?

Therapy is a large component of Scientology at the lower levels. Whether or not there's any scientific validity to their practices, I think a large portion of humanity, regardless of religion or nationality, just need someone to talk to.


The therapy they administer is brainwashing.
 
2013-02-10 09:13:32 PM
friedo:
The average CoS member getting auditing and personality tests is not exposed to the worst of the organization. Sea Org members are in a whole different kind of hell; a cult within the cult. It is farked beyong belief.

There's actually a cult within a cult within a cult now.  The Sea Org now has teams of fake "Navy SEALs" to complete their fake Navy.  They're people who didn't think the regular Sea Org was hardcore enough.
 
2013-02-10 09:46:38 PM

TheBigJerk: Dansker: and in my country the Christian clericy is not particularly wealthy

Well...maybe.  The (I am assuming Catholic) average priest lives a lot like Al Capone, who officially made no money at all, but had millions rolling in under the table and sewn into his organization, and that's just the workaday preacher.  Go up the ranks a bit and you've got boys living in great big mansions, surrounded by priceless artwork, eating super-expensive caviar, and (down-low) bangin' imported prostitutes.  To be sure he doesn't OWN any of that, but he doesn't particularly need to either.  It's the great lie we tell ourselves that ONE kind of power is different from ANOTHER kind of power.

i158.photobucket.com



What an average Catholic clerical residence looks like
 
2013-02-10 10:07:50 PM
It boggles my mind how many people confuse Atheism with Anti-theism.

/What would antisexual reproduction look like?
 
2013-02-10 10:11:20 PM

NecoConeco:
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What an average Catholic clerical residence looks like


I thought Father Jack would have burned the place down by now. That man is a walking molotov cocktail.
 
2013-02-10 10:45:18 PM

BronyMedic: For someone who doesn't "know anything" about Scientology, since you're wanting to play ignorant, you know an awful lot about the lingo that Scientology speaks about their group with. They have their own langauge, and calling it "the Org" is part of it.

So I really want you to be honest with us here. You're not as dumb as you're pretending to be, are you?


That's been my strong impression since about his 2nd or 3rd post.

As I said earlier, this really smacks of a false flag operation with a very willing advocate for Scientology trying to play all neutral and coy.  There's very little other explanation for the absolute refusal to acknowledge a lot of past involvement of Scientology in any number of illegal and/or unethical behaviors that are worthy of condemnation.  Either he's one of the world's leading examples of how to be obtuse, or he's a shill with an agenda.
 
2013-02-10 10:54:35 PM

johne3819: Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.

Interesting thought.  You can't make the kid work for money, nor can you physically abuse them,  However, if you let the religion do it, it's all kosher?


Pretty much.   Lots of children selling magazines door to door for the Jehovah's Witnesses.  Of course they only sign off on a lifetime plus forever-after contract when they get baptized.
 
2013-02-10 11:09:10 PM

Mugato: /cue someone mentioning the Crusades


Well, there was that Crusades thing.

/consider it mentioned
 
2013-02-10 11:18:40 PM

Dansker: Christianity, Islam, Buddhism etc all originated in societies that were well aware that the sun appears to move across the sky because the Earth spins on it's axis.


Better ask Galileo about that one.
 
2013-02-10 11:23:09 PM

Kurmudgeon: lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane

Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.


img58.imageshack.us
 
2013-02-10 11:24:39 PM

Silverstaff: To understand what Scientology does and why it does it, understand its history.  In World War II, Lafayette Ronald Hubbard was a mediocre US Navy officer.  He was discharged after the war, and wrote the VA asking for psychiatric help for his emotional/mental problems in the late 1940's.  His request was denied on the grounds that there was no evidence his problems were tied to his military service.  He was already by this point a pulp sci-fi writer.  He devoted himself to studying self-help books and eastern religions.  Several years later he came out with Dianetics, a self-help book that blended elements of eastern religions (talk about reincarnation mostly) with a lot of 1950's era computer jargon.


Per WIkipedia anyway, Ron was trying to con people from the moment he dropped out of college in 1932. He put together an expedition party to the Caribbean that year by passing himself off as an anthropologist and treasure hunter. Most of his marks bailed out on him after the ship he chartered ran way off course. After that he started writing for the pulps, probably just as a less risky way to get paid for generating bullshiat.
 
2013-02-11 12:09:12 AM

Deadwing: She was on the Opie and Anthony show on Friday. It was an interesting interview. Can't post a link on the phone though, but the whole thing is on YouTube.


This?
 
2013-02-11 12:34:48 AM

saturn badger: Dansker: Christianity, Islam, Buddhism etc all originated in societies that were well aware that the sun appears to move across the sky because the Earth spins on it's axis.

Better ask Galileo about that one.


When Christianity was invented Galileo was more than 1500 years from being born. At that time there was no powerful Christian clericy to supress scientific theories and put heretics under house arrest, and the ideas of the ancient greeks hadn't yet been forgotten in the mediterranian.
 
2013-02-11 01:38:50 AM

Dansker: saturn badger: Dansker: Christianity, Islam, Buddhism etc all originated in societies that were well aware that the sun appears to move across the sky because the Earth spins on it's axis.

Better ask Galileo about that one.

When Christianity was invented Galileo was more than 1500 years from being born. At that time there was no powerful Christian clericy to supress scientific theories and put heretics under house arrest, and the ideas of the ancient greeks hadn't yet been forgotten in the mediterranian.


I was specifically talking about the Christians.They thought the sun revolved around the earth and Galileo went against it and was punished for it. The Christians were not well aware of the sun. They thought the earth was the center of things. Others were a bit more enlightened.
 
2013-02-11 02:00:06 AM

saturn badger: Dansker: saturn badger: Dansker: Christianity, Islam, Buddhism etc all originated in societies that were well aware that the sun appears to move across the sky because the Earth spins on it's axis.

Better ask Galileo about that one.

When Christianity was invented Galileo was more than 1500 years from being born. At that time there was no powerful Christian clericy to supress scientific theories and put heretics under house arrest, and the ideas of the ancient greeks hadn't yet been forgotten in the mediterranian.

I was specifically talking about the Christians.They thought the sun revolved around the earth and Galileo went against it and was punished for it. The Christians were not well aware of the sun. They thought the earth was the center of things. Others were a bit more enlightened.


And I was specifically talking about the time and place of the religions' origins, and the known theories of the universe at that time, which in the case of Christianity (or the Judaic sect it started out as) was 1500+ years before Galileo, and before the majority of the ancient greek scientific writings were lost to accidental fires, natural disasters and sheer vandalism, and their teachings were forgotten in Europe.
 
2013-02-11 08:58:14 AM

Dansker: I drunk what:
well i hate god,

Which one? And how can you hate what you don't believe is real?


all of them, none of them, you just gotta have faith

Dansker: See, this is one of the reasons why I'm not on your side.


i'm ok you're ok, you're on our side whether you know it or not, do you think you are on their side? lulz
 
2013-02-11 09:02:11 AM

BronyMedic: So I really want you to be honest with us here. You're not as dumb as you're pretending to be, are you?


LOL you got me. No seriously, my knowledge of the scientology is summed up in silverstaffs post and the southpark show on the subject. Seriously.

For the record, my opinion of the 'religion' is its utter hogwash completely manufactured to make those at the top rich. It's dreck from top to bottom, and there is absolutely no redeeming value in it that I can see. Once again, my issue is not with the cult itself, or with you guys, but rather with the lame-ass articles you guys are throwing out claiming they are sources. Most of that shiat is towing a very cautious line between muckracking and libel, and if you read carefully you can see that they are very careful in what they say, and how they say it, but then the end result is OMG!!! KIDNAPPING, SLAVE LABOR!!!! WOWZA!

It irritates me, that's all.
 
2013-02-11 09:38:58 AM

Dansker: See, this is one of the reasons why I'm not on your side.


Please do not engage IDW ... he is not an atheist. He is a religious person trolling as a strawman atheist.

He is posting ridiculous things in a dishonest attempt to paint atheists in a bad light.
 
2013-02-11 09:39:51 AM

I drunk what:
Dansker: See, this is one of the reasons why I'm not on your side.

i'm ok you're ok, you're on our side whether you know it or not, do you think you are on their side? lulz


There are many more than two sides, and I'm mostly on my own. So thanks for the offer, but I'm not climbing into your tree house.
 
2013-02-11 09:42:44 AM
wow...

Heldal-Lund chose the name "Operation Clambake" for the organization, as a reference to statements made by , he asserts humans follow his notion of the "genetic line" of the "genetic entity", which include clams (as well as sloths, volcanoes, and a "sense of being eaten"), and certain human psychological problems descend from difficulties these clams experienced.

Oooooh boy! I'm a clam!
 
2013-02-11 09:50:42 AM

Farking Canuck: Dansker: See, this is one of the reasons why I'm not on your side.

Please do not engage IDW ... he is not an atheist. He is a religious person trolling as a strawman atheist.

He is posting ridiculous things in a dishonest attempt to paint atheists in a bad light.


Yeah, but as I said earlier, I'm the kind of retard who likes arguing on the Internet. And while I may look like an idiot, at least I'm representing as a generally polite, friendly, non-dogmatic, idiot atheist with no intention of robbing others of their faith. If someone has a problem with that, I'll politely invite them to go blow a goat:)
I'm not here to support a cause, but mostly to pass the time, shoot the shiat, and practice my written English. Nice talking to ya'.
 
2013-02-11 10:05:52 AM

Madbassist1:
Oooooh boy! I'm a clam!


I know, right? If it wasn't all thought up for the purpose of preying on the emotionally vulnerable and their children it would almost be funny.
It's such a shame that it wasn't Vonnegut who decided to turn his fake religion into something real instead of that descipable asshat.

/busy, busy, busy
 
2013-02-11 10:08:05 AM
descipable despicable
 
2013-02-11 10:51:57 AM

Madbassist1: LOL you got me. No seriously, my knowledge of the scientology is summed up in silverstaffs post and the southpark show on the subject. Seriously.

For the record, my opinion of the 'religion' is its utter hogwash completely manufactured to make those at the top rich. It's dreck from top to bottom, and there is absolutely no redeeming value in it that I can see. Once again, my issue is not with the cult itself, or with you guys, but rather with the lame-ass articles you guys are throwing out claiming they are sources. Most of that shiat is towing a very cautious line between muckracking and libel, and if you read carefully you can see that they are very careful in what they say, and how they say it, but then the end result is OMG!!! KIDNAPPING, SLAVE LABOR!!!! WOWZA!

It irritates me, that's all.


I'm sorry for accusing you for being less than honest about Scientology, but it's not to be an ass to you (I'm not really shy about doing that, as we both know.) It's a very common tactic for the CoS to use to have it's members defend or cast doubt upon criticism of the church on internet forums, while pretending not to know or be affiliated with them. Their shills are rather easy to identify usually because they'll slip up and use the language of the CoS (Scientologists have their own secret language. I don't know if they still update the definitions, but this mirrors a usenet post with definitions of them)

Members of Scientology do not refer to it as Scientology, they typically refer to it as "The Org"
 
2013-02-11 12:14:36 PM

BronyMedic: I'm sorry for accusing you for being less than honest about Scientology, but it's not to be an ass to you (I'm not really shy about doing that, as we both know.) It's a very common tactic for the CoS to use to have it's members defend or cast doubt upon criticism of the church on internet forums, while pretending not to know or be affiliated with them. Their shills are rather easy to identify usually because they'll slip up and use the language of the CoS (Scientologists have their own secret language. I don't know if they still update the definitions, but this mirrors a usenet post with definitions of them)

Members of Scientology do not refer to it as Scientology, they typically refer to it as "The Org"


I just got lucky, I guess. I was reading up on that operation clambake thing. wow. Clams???? Dayum. That link lead to some others. it is just...unbelievable that people would swallow that shiat.
 
2013-02-11 12:22:26 PM

Madbassist1: I just got lucky, I guess. I was reading up on that operation clambake thing. wow. Clams???? Dayum. That link lead to some others. it is just...unbelievable that people would swallow that shiat.


You have to remember that Scientology is a tiered religious structure. Members only get more of the church's inner belief system as they pay more into it and continue to attend as a member. The really kooky stuff doesn't start until you get up into what they term as "Original Thetan Level 3", or OT3, and by then a person has spent years in the church and tens of thousands of dollars on church counselling, auditing, and therapy sessions.

That's why they target who they do - typically disadvantaged, downtrodden, or mentally ill people - along with powerful Hollywood and business types for recruitment. Their methods are rather insidious - they not only operate as the Church of Scientology, but as multiple front groups with Orwellesque names. One of the most prevalent is the Anti-Science and Anti-Psychiatry "Citizens Commission on Human Rights", which promotes Hubbard's paranoid ideas about psychology and psychiatry in general mixed in with cleverly hidden Scientology doctrine. Others play off Hubbard's doctrines - known as Tech - onto businesses while fronting as human relations and motivation advisory corporations, and elementary and high school educators as methods for teaching students.

One of the most infamous acts of the CoS was filing multiple poorly grounded lawsuits which drove the Cult Awareness Network into bankruptcy and dissolving due to their defense against them, and then refiling the trademarks of the organization as their own. The modern Cult Awareness Network is nothing but a scientology front.

And then you have the group known as Narcanon, which is infamous for it's Anti-science methods towards treating drug addiction, and often targets desperate people during high-profile events, like the FDNY during the post 9/11 period. Their Detoxification Rundown is actually dangerous and life threatening to people addicted to narcotics.
 
2013-02-11 12:49:00 PM

Xai: how is getting a 7-year-old to sign a billion year contract legal in the US?

The US is farked up.


It isn't, no one under 18 can sign a contract.

The only way to get around it is to have a parent or guardian co-sign. I doubt even with a parent co-signing this contract would not hold up in court.
 
2013-02-11 01:01:21 PM

saturn badger: Dansker: saturn badger: Dansker: Christianity, Islam, Buddhism etc all originated in societies that were well aware that the sun appears to move across the sky because the Earth spins on it's axis.

Better ask Galileo about that one.

When Christianity was invented Galileo was more than 1500 years from being born. At that time there was no powerful Christian clericy to supress scientific theories and put heretics under house arrest, and the ideas of the ancient greeks hadn't yet been forgotten in the mediterranian.

I was specifically talking about the Christians.They thought the sun revolved around the earth and Galileo went against it and was punished for it. The Christians were not well aware of the sun. They thought the earth was the center of things. Others were a bit more enlightened.


commonsenseatheism.com

can you imagine a world without christianity?
 
2013-02-11 01:08:59 PM

I drunk what: saturn badger: Dansker: saturn badger: Dansker: Christianity, Islam, Buddhism etc all originated in societies that were well aware that the sun appears to move across the sky because the Earth spins on it's axis.

Better ask Galileo about that one.

When Christianity was invented Galileo was more than 1500 years from being born. At that time there was no powerful Christian clericy to supress scientific theories and put heretics under house arrest, and the ideas of the ancient greeks hadn't yet been forgotten in the mediterranian.

I was specifically talking about the Christians.They thought the sun revolved around the earth and Galileo went against it and was punished for it. The Christians were not well aware of the sun. They thought the earth was the center of things. Others were a bit more enlightened.

[commonsenseatheism.com image 363x323]

can you imagine a world without christianity?


what a truly horrible world that would be
 
2013-02-11 01:11:30 PM

Dansker: Farking Canuck: Dansker: See, this is one of the reasons why I'm not on your side.

Please do not engage IDW ... he is not an atheist. He is a religious person trolling as a strawman atheist.

He is posting ridiculous things in a dishonest attempt to paint atheists in a bad light.

Yeah, but as I said earlier, I'm the kind of retard who likes arguing on the Internet. And while I may look like an idiot, at least I'm representing as a generally polite, friendly, non-dogmatic, idiot atheist with no intention of robbing others of their faith. If someone has a problem with that, I'll politely invite them to go blow a goat:)
I'm not here to support a cause, but mostly to pass the time, shoot the shiat, and practice my written English. Nice talking to ya'.


Please do not engage  Farking Canuck ... he isn't a Real AtheistTM only theists speak in absolutes (or is it sith? i cant remember).  He is a religious shill trolling as a strawman atheist.

He is posting ridiculous things in a dishonest attempt to paint atheists in a bad light. But because of Poe's Trooper Law it is impossible for you to tell if he is actually that dumb or if he is just doing unfunny satire of them.

Dansker: There are many more than two sides, and I'm mostly on my own.


so what you're saying is that "you're a loner"

24.media.tumblr.com

well my name isn't dottie, and i'm confused to what the 3rd side (or choice) is in this situation?

1. Believes in God.
2. Believes there is no God.
3. ???
4. Profit

i'm agnostic about your ability to understand what words mean, i'm ok you're ok

Dansker: So thanks for the offer, but I'm not climbing into your tree house.


d1fj4sro0cm5nu.cloudfront.net

your loss dude, except our club is the he-man god haters club, same difference
 
2013-02-11 01:13:30 PM

Waldo Pepper: what a truly horrible world that would be


files.abovetopsecret.com

lulz lulz lulz
 
2013-02-11 01:15:33 PM

Waldo Pepper: PunGent: Kurmudgeon: lovefirststool: Well, to be honest, there is no religion that can appear sane

Especially the Faith called Atheism. It assumes that everything created itself.
Now that's insane.

Atheism is a religion like Not Collecting Stamps is a hobby.

Interesting how strong projection is in some folks, though.

it is the religion of fooling oneself into believing science is god.


Uh, no.  I recommend a basic dictionary.
 
2013-02-11 01:22:08 PM
"Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings."  ― Richard Dawkins


www.forkparty.com

lolz
 
2013-02-11 01:27:43 PM

I drunk what: "Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings."  ― Richard Dawkins


[www.forkparty.com image 500x374]

lolz


Damnit. You owe me a new keyboard!
 
2013-02-11 02:41:33 PM
BronyMedic:

And then you have the group known as Narcanon, which is infamous for it's Anti-science methods towards treating drug addiction, and often targets desperate people during high-profile events, like the FDNY during the post 9/11 period. Their Detoxification ...

The dude from "Sons of Anarchy" who murdered his landlord then killed himself was going through Narconon.  CoS wiped all mention of him from their websites before his body was cold.
 
2013-02-11 03:33:39 PM

Sgt Otter: The dude from "Sons of Anarchy" who murdered his landlord then killed himself was going through Narconon.  CoS wiped all mention of him from their websites before his body was cold.


One of the requirements of the CoS is that you go off ANY psychiatric medications you're taking cold turkey. The church is very anti-psychiatry, and has been since Hubbard founded it.

They quickly memory hole anything about members who commit crimes or kill themselves after doing this to avoid liability and bad publicity.
 
2013-02-11 04:42:44 PM

I drunk what:
so what you're saying is that "you're a loner"


Yadda-yadda-yadda, I don't make monkeys, I just train them!
Are we done?

well my name isn't dottie, and i'm confused to what the 3rd side (or choice) is in this situation?

1. Believes in God.
2. Believes there is no God.
3. ???
4. Profit


Oh ye of little nuance and imagination!

Obviously there's:
3a: Liberal Atheist
3b: Stalinist Tyrannic Atheist
3c: Anti-religionist Non-believer
3d: Neo-fascist Atheist
3e: Buddhist
3f: Anti-Jehovian Atheist of the latter day Farkers
3g: Bokononist Atheist
3h: HeMan God Haters Club
etc.

And don't get me started on 4h, subsection XVII: Presbyterians.
 
2013-02-11 04:50:40 PM

Dansker: I drunk what:
so what you're saying is that "you're a loner"

Yadda-yadda-yadda, I don't make monkeys, I just train them!
Are we done?

well my name isn't dottie, and i'm confused to what the 3rd side (or choice) is in this situation?

1. Believes in God.
2. Believes there is no God.
3. ???
4. Profit

Oh ye of little nuance and imagination!

Obviously there's:
3a: Liberal Atheist
3b: Stalinist Tyrannic Atheist
3c: Anti-religionist Non-believer
3d: Neo-fascist Atheist
3e: Buddhist
3f: Anti-Jehovian Atheist of the latter day Farkers
3g: Bokononist Atheist
3h: HeMan God Haters Club
etc.

And don't get me started on 4h, subsection XVII: Presbyterians.


so what you're trying to say is that i'm ok you're ok? exactly!

vote democrat

death to christians, FOR SCIENCE!

atheism is the only logical, rational choice, to become a FREE THINKER, who owns reason

debate me :D
 
2013-02-11 05:29:59 PM

BronyMedic: I drunk what: "Science flies you to the moon. Religion flies you into buildings."  ― Richard Dawkins


[www.forkparty.com image 500x374]

lolz

Damnit. You owe me a new keyboard!


LULZ ROFL

*brofisting*

or *brohoofing* i'm ok you're ok
 
2013-02-12 06:22:59 PM

I drunk what: Dansker: I drunk what:
so what you're saying is that "you're a loner"

Yadda-yadda-yadda, I don't make monkeys, I just train them!
Are we done?

well my name isn't dottie, and i'm confused to what the 3rd side (or choice) is in this situation?

1. Believes in God.
2. Believes there is no God.
3. ???
4. Profit

Oh ye of little nuance and imagination!

Obviously there's:
3a: Liberal Atheist
3b: Stalinist Tyrannic Atheist
3c: Anti-religionist Non-believer
3d: Neo-fascist Atheist
3e: Buddhist
3f: Anti-Jehovian Atheist of the latter day Farkers
3g: Bokononist Atheist
3h: HeMan God Haters Club
etc.

And don't get me started on 4h, subsection XVII: Presbyterians.

so what you're trying to say is that i'm ok you're ok? exactly!

vote democrat

death to christians, FOR SCIENCE!

atheism is the only logical, rational choice, to become a FREE THINKER, who owns reason

debate me :D


how does asking for a debate on fark show any sign of logical, rational or reasonable thinking?
 
2013-02-13 05:15:17 AM

Waldo Pepper: how does asking for a debate on fark show any sign of logical, rational or reasonable thinking?


You get smart and funny votes.
 
2013-02-13 07:28:41 AM

Slaxl: Waldo Pepper: how does asking for a debate on fark show any sign of logical, rational or reasonable thinking?

You get smart and funny votes.


well dang I shall give up my day job
 
2013-02-13 08:57:00 AM

Waldo Pepper: how does asking for a debate on fark show any sign of logical, rational or reasonable thinking?


upload.wikimedia.org

you must turn over the 8 and brown

FOR SCIENCE!

Nature is natural stuff.  There is no God because i'm an asshole.

it's ok to admit that you're afraid to debate me, because like most racists bigots you simply fear the things you cannot understand, but don't worry i will pity you
 
2013-02-13 09:03:32 AM
0.999 = 1.000

QED

be sure to mind your P's and Q's; Q > P therefore vote democrat
 
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