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2013-02-09 10:01:17 PM
kalor:

Or just randomly shooting the crap out of a truck like the LAPD recently.  Everyone of those so-called officers belong in prison facing attempted murder but they'll get off scott free.  On the bright side, if the victims survive they'll be millionaires very soon.

They'll be thousandaires after they pay their lawyers their share.
 
2013-02-09 10:01:25 PM

stiletto_the_wise: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Sgygus: $795,000 settlement

so there is that.

The cops don't have to pay it.  The taxpayers do.  There's no incentive for the cops to stop beating the crap out of people.

Next tax time, add a line item on everyone's bill:

 Your share of settlements paid to victims of police brutality:  ..........$105.00

People should have to see the cost of always electing the guy who's "toughest on crime".


Chicago had 662 police officers with ten or more complaints against them in 2009.  http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-police-repeater-list-fed e ral-appeals-court-abuse-69722572.html

Chicago paid out $45 million in settlements for complaints filed from 2009-2011.  http://www.nbcchicago.com/investigations/unit-5-chicago-reporter-chic a go-police-ipra--149771045.html

Awesome.
 
2013-02-09 10:03:35 PM

Gyrfalcon: OK, I had to read that three times to see what was happening here. There will be no FEDERAL charges, but the cops and the city lost the civil suit. Which makes more sense, and the last line of the article had it wrong.

Conspiracy to violate civil rights, as opposed to just beating the crap out of someone, can be a tough nut to prove. But the guy did win the beating case.


But, unless the cops are sent to prison, society, as a whole, loses.
 
2013-02-09 10:10:18 PM

Sgygus: $795,000 settlement

so there is that.

/Denver cops are not a good bunch.

FTFY

 
2013-02-09 10:10:48 PM
At first I was going to click the link and think of some sarcastic joke on how they couldn't have done it. Then I saw the picture and got mad enough that I couldn't think of one. Hope those cops have an unfortunate accident.
 
2013-02-09 10:10:57 PM
A Cops Lie Haiku


Cops Lie Every Day

In Court to the Judge They Lie

Lying Sacks of shiat
 
2013-02-09 10:11:20 PM

doglover: Every sensible country also has a death penalty


/backs away slowly
 
2013-02-09 10:11:27 PM
disgusting.
 
2013-02-09 10:12:39 PM

redmid17: Chicago had 662 police officers with ten or more complaints against them in 2009.  http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-police-repeater-list-fed e ral-appeals-court-abuse-69722572.html

Chicago paid out $45 million in settlements for complaints filed from 2009-2011.  http://www.nbcchicago.com/investigations/unit-5-chicago-reporter-chic a go-police-ipra--149771045.html

Awesome.


Yet, next election season, the winner will always be the guy who shouts the loudest, "OOGABOOGABOOGA! CRIME!! MOAR POLICE!! MOAR ENFORCEMENT!! TARF ON CRIME!! HURRRRRR!"
 
2013-02-09 10:12:51 PM
Why do farkers call police, when they are the epitome of evil?
 
2013-02-09 10:15:53 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Klippoklondike: doglover: LessO2: It's stuff like this that makes Dorner's words about the police look more and more credible.

Not quite. Even a crazy clock is right sometimes. That doesn't mean it's logical, just that jumping to enough conclusions is accuracy by volume. The LAPD probably is a pile of shiat just like he claimed in his little diatribe. But you can't judge that by him because he's reaching that conclusion from Crazytown and is thus unreliable.

Pretty much THIS.  It is definitely easy for police to get off scott free with all kinds of crimes.  That being said, killing the cops for it isn't the way to go about.  Also, killing cop's families is absolutely never the way to go about it as well.

Gotta have a sense of proportion about this.

The hell is isn't.  That is exactly the kind of thing you do when genocide is the only answer left.  You exterminate the bloodline, the DNA, the very genetics of evil.

/trolling?  You'll never know.


The man exhausted his legal options entirely and was denied any sort of justice all along the way.

Once your legal means are exhausted and you're still sore from being raped, all the other options go on the table.

ALL the other options.

THAT is why justice must be blind - and reach all citizens equally, even if they happen to be cops.

/cops taking liberties with justice are exactly like state store workers stealing booze
 
2013-02-09 10:18:04 PM

stiletto_the_wise: redmid17: Chicago had 662 police officers with ten or more complaints against them in 2009.  http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-police-repeater-list-fed e ral-appeals-court-abuse-69722572.html

Chicago paid out $45 million in settlements for complaints filed from 2009-2011.  http://www.nbcchicago.com/investigations/unit-5-chicago-reporter-chic a go-police-ipra--149771045.html

Awesome.

Yet, next election season, the winner will always be the guy who shouts the loudest, "OOGABOOGABOOGA! CRIME!! MOAR POLICE!! MOAR ENFORCEMENT!! TARF ON CRIME!! HURRRRRR!"


Chicago has a lot of issues with its government. It's a little too "inbred" for my taste.
 
2013-02-09 10:18:27 PM

kombat_unit: Why do farkers call police, when they are the epitome of evil?


The only times I've ever called the cops was to get documentation for an insurance claim.  They're good for that.
 
2013-02-09 10:19:46 PM
Marcus Aurelius:
/cops taking liberties with justice are exactly like state store workers stealing booze

Makes perfect sense.  Can I try?

/cops taking liberties with justice is exactly like schoolteachers stealing pencils
 
2013-02-09 10:21:29 PM

Marcus Aurelius: doglover: Every sensible country also has a death penalty

/backs away slowly


What? Iran, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, and China are the bee's knees.
 
2013-02-09 10:22:00 PM

MNguy: Marcus Aurelius:
/cops taking liberties with justice are exactly like state store workers stealing booze

Makes perfect sense.  Can I try?

/cops taking liberties with justice is exactly like schoolteachers stealing pencils


Only if they stick the pencils up their students orifii.  We're talking felonies here.
 
2013-02-09 10:23:25 PM

doglover: Klippoklondike: That being said, killing the cops for it isn't the way to go about.

Almost assuredly not, but we can't take it for granted based merely on a whack-job's manifesto. Again his logic is unreliable so even seemingly sensible conclusions are untrustworthy.

Every sensible country also has a death penalty. So while killing the police extra-judicially is probably a safe bet to be the wrong plan for various reasons ethical and historical I won't go into great detail on now, that doesn't mean "killing cops" is never the right way to go.

Look at the accusations coming out of India where a girl goes in to the cops to report one rape and is treated to a few more by the constables. That's a gallows no one would regret tossing the lever on if the accusations are true.


So again we see the unreliable crazy man's answers are landing in the potentially correct solution, much like a sufficient number of bullets from a machine gun will eventually hit a certain target on the range. However, much like an out of control machine gun, you'll want to avoid using a crazy person's answers because the risk of missing is much, much higher and you or others will be hurt. It's best to discard wholesale crazy assertions and start again from scratch.


bulk2.destructoid.com
 
2013-02-09 10:24:51 PM

sseye: Marcus Aurelius: doglover: Every sensible country also has a death penalty

/backs away slowly

What? Iran, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, and China are the bee's knees.


The brown countries in this picture are the only places that have a death penalty for everyday crimes:

upload.wikimedia.org

America is a barbaric country, no two ways about it.
 
2013-02-09 10:26:02 PM

Sgygus: $795,000 settlement

so there is that.

/Denver cops are not a good bunch.


True, but after spending time in both cities, Chicago cops are by FAR worse. Their beatings extend to women and kids.


/CSB time

Truck broke down in Denver in the middle of Colorado Blvd. Cop comes by and eventually offers me a lift to my wife's work. As we were driving there, he slows down to check out a bunch of women walking by. After they pass by, he blurs out, "You know what the best part of being a cop is? All the tail."
 
2013-02-09 10:26:11 PM

LessO2: It's stuff like this that makes Dorner's words about the police look more and more credible.


Yep

I have very little doubt that Dorner's accusations were completely accurate.  He was fired for crossing the blue line, telling the truth about criminal acts by his partner.  It's stuff like that, and this that would make more than a few LA residents willing to hide Dorner.

The response by the LAPD proves just how chickenshiat a lot of cops are (not all, but a lot).  Little men who need a gun to feel safe, so terrified of Dorner that they shoot 3 civilians who looked nothing like Dorner, driving entirely different vehicles.
 
2013-02-09 10:26:12 PM

Marcus Aurelius: kombat_unit: Why do farkers call police, when they are the epitome of evil?

The only times I've ever called the cops was to get documentation for an insurance claim.  They're good for that.


Humm, they didn't beat you and drop narcotics to frame you immediately?
 
2013-02-09 10:29:13 PM

kombat_unit: Why do farkers call police, when they are the epitome of evil?


Why do you beat your wife?
 
2013-02-09 10:30:56 PM

SpdrJay: Police are licensed psychopaths with government protection.


Any honest psychiatrist, psychologist or counselor who has dealt with LEO's will pretty much confirm your observation.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-09 10:31:30 PM
Up-jumped-Jesus-on-a-pogostick!
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
WTF is with these police? Are they actually trying to make it so the public hates them with a burning disgust?
Can we please find a way to make the shiatbag LEO's personally liable for the losses they make the public incur as a result of their criminal activity?
They can pay it back in installments, like a loan or such.
Maybe the next jackboots would not do the same after seeing that verdict.
I am sick to the teeth of paying up for jerks like these cops.
 
2013-02-09 10:33:53 PM

DrPainMD: This is what happens when you vote for Democrats or Republicans. The guy was lucky he wasn't murdered or tortured to death.


"Kenneth Michael Trentadue (December 19, 1950 - August 21, 1995) was allegedly found hanged in his cell at during the investigation of the, allegedly a suicide. Trentadue's family maintains that he was murdered by the FBI themselves and that officials at the prison engaged in a cover-up. Oklahoma City's chief medical examiner,, said of Trentadue that it was "very likely he was murdered." stated that he believes Trentadue was mistaken forJr., a suspected co-conspirator in the bombing who also died in federal custody, allegedly from suicide by hanging. In 1999, fellow-inmate Alden Gillis Baker volunteered to testify that he witnessed Trentadue's murder. A year later he was found hanged in his cell, another apparent suicide."

O.o

/also, 795,000 reasons they're innocent

PacificaFitz: Klippoklondike: doglover: LessO2: It's stuff like this that makes Dorner's words about the police look more and more credible.


Pretty much THIS.  It is definitely easy for police to get off scott free with all kinds of crimes.  That being said, killing the cops for it isn't the way to go about.  Also, killing cop's families is absolutely never the way to go about it as well.


I don't know, if this was my son or daughter laying in a hospital bed almost dead because of some rogue cops Dorner would look like the patron saint compared to what I would be doing


/in nomine patris et filii et spiritus sancti
 
2013-02-09 10:34:45 PM
Calling Christopher Dorner. Christopher Dorner to the white courtesy telephone please.....
 
2013-02-09 10:36:33 PM
Marcus Aurelius:
 We're talking felonies here.

So....stealing booze = beating a man within an inch of his life?  Not all felonies are created equal.
 
2013-02-09 10:37:39 PM

kombat_unit: Marcus Aurelius: kombat_unit: Why do farkers call police, when they are the epitome of evil?

The only times I've ever called the cops was to get documentation for an insurance claim.  They're good for that.

Humm, they didn't beat you and drop narcotics to frame you immediately?


No, no, no, no, no.  I'm a large fit white well educated and well spoken protestant male with a beautiful Italian wife and 2.1 children.  I could have shot up heroin in front of them and they'd have been embarrassed and looked the other way.
 
2013-02-09 10:40:10 PM

Marcus Aurelius: America is a barbaric country, no two ways about it.


Of course it is. A cursory glance at our government, law enforcement, and political system is a dead giveaway.
 
2013-02-09 10:40:46 PM
And now a message from Officer Friendly.

www.artskills.net
 
2013-02-09 10:40:47 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Klippoklondike: doglover: LessO2: It's stuff like this that makes Dorner's words about the police look more and more credible.

Not quite. Even a crazy clock is right sometimes. That doesn't mean it's logical, just that jumping to enough conclusions is accuracy by volume. The LAPD probably is a pile of shiat just like he claimed in his little diatribe. But you can't judge that by him because he's reaching that conclusion from Crazytown and is thus unreliable.

Pretty much THIS.  It is definitely easy for police to get off scott free with all kinds of crimes.  That being said, killing the cops for it isn't the way to go about.  Also, killing cop's families is absolutely never the way to go about it as well.

Gotta have a sense of proportion about this.

The hell is isn't.  That is exactly the kind of thing you do when genocide is the only answer left.  You exterminate the bloodline, the DNA, the very genetics of evil.

/trolling?  You'll never know.


I think we may find that the threats to the families was a psyops tactic to rattle the cops. It worked.
 
2013-02-09 10:42:07 PM

doglover: LessO2: It's stuff like this that makes Dorner's words about the police look more and more credible.

Not quite. Even a crazy clock is right sometimes. That doesn't mean it's logical, just that jumping to enough conclusions is accuracy by volume. The LAPD probably is a pile of shiat just like he claimed in his little diatribe. But you can't judge that by him because he's reaching that conclusion from Crazytown and is thus unreliable.

However, the fact that they lit up two different wrong trucks looking for him like a coupla real life Barney Fifes shows they're weak and womanly (in the pejorative viking sense that was actually illegal to use) and they probably shouldn't be police officers at all. Also just look at LA. Apparently it's covered in graffiti and the cops won't come to your house to arrest a drunken driver who has just crashed his truck into it. They will not hesitate to pull you over for not having two license plates, though. This is if Adam Carola is to be believed. He is not crazy and his other observations are sound.

That is the rub. The Crazy Man is correct that the department is awful. However that doesn't mean his reasoning to get there is sound. You can't take his word for it. However, look at the LAPD's actions and look at the hubris that lets an obviously unfair system with a huge bias towards the rich parade around the term "Justice System" as though they even know the meaning of the word. Then draw your own conclusions. Do they measure up or are they just another street gang?


I find it interesting you're trying to throw the crazy label out as much as possible.  Why so eager to discredit the guy?  Why so sure he is crazy?
 
2013-02-09 10:43:51 PM

MNguy: Marcus Aurelius:
 We're talking felonies here.

So....stealing booze = beating a man within an inch of his life?  Not all felonies are created equal.


I was putting it in the terms a citizen living in an horrible ABC/LCB state could understand.

The fundamental problem with cops is that they're the pipeline into the justice system.  They bear witness against our fellow citizens.  IF they are demonstrably less than beyond reproach, or worse, demonstrably corrupt, faith in the rule of law erodes, and for what?  The sake of a few bad cops?  Why should they be excused, when they are the ones that need to be cleaner than clean for the system to work?
 
2013-02-09 10:45:43 PM

LessO2: doglover: That is the rub. The Crazy Man is correct that the department is awful. However that doesn't mean his reasoning to get there is sound. You can't take his word for it.

Oh, I'm not saying Dorner is a patron saint of anything.  Of course you have to take what he says with a grain of salt, but the LAPD is far from being clean.


I think it is fair to say the media can twist facts as they feel the need to sell more ads and who is rubbing their belly. My question is this, what if Dorner tried to do this the legitimate way? Who would listen to him? Fark!!! He sent CNN a CD and they didn't even look at it till after the rampage started. He may have knocked on hundreds of doors and everybody answered the same way..."Yeah, buddy. We have heard it all before".

Maybe, just maybe, he isn't as crazy after all. Just pissed to the point he wanted to be heard and had to make an extreme impact to do so.
 
2013-02-09 10:49:18 PM

Alonjar: [img853.imageshack.us image 606x481]


...The fark? No. Dorner is  not Batman,  he is possibly schizophrenic and certainly mentally ill. He needs to be put in a nice padded cell, not turned into a farking martyr.

Yes, he saw some very bad things while on duty, and yes, they should be investigated, but he is not in any way a hero. He is sick and needs help. And the worst part is that he will never get it, because the LAPD will shoot him on sight no matter what he's doing, even if it's waving a white flag.

This is a tragedy, not a meme. Don't try to turn it into one.
 
2013-02-09 10:51:14 PM

Marcus Aurelius: The brown countries in this picture are the only places that have a death penalty for everyday crimes:

America is a barbaric country, no two ways about it.


So premeditated murder is a "everyday crime?" How "barbarian."
 
2013-02-09 10:52:22 PM
anarchypress.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-09 10:55:14 PM

PsiChick: Alonjar: [img853.imageshack.us image 606x481]

...The fark? No. Dorner is  not Batman,  he is possibly schizophrenic and certainly mentally ill. He needs to be put in a nice padded cell, not turned into a farking martyr.

Yes, he saw some very bad things while on duty, and yes, they should be investigated, but he is not in any way a hero. He is sick and needs help. And the worst part is that he will never get it, because the LAPD will shoot him on sight no matter what he's doing, even if it's waving a white flag.

This is a tragedy, not a meme. Don't try to turn it into one.


That's a lot of speculation you got goin on there.  Man, everyone could just post a 22 page document online, you could diagnose them, and single-handedly end the psychology field.

amazing.
 
2013-02-09 10:57:37 PM

Girion47: PsiChick: Alonjar: [img853.imageshack.us image 606x481]

...The fark? No. Dorner is  not Batman,  he is possibly schizophrenic and certainly mentally ill. He needs to be put in a nice padded cell, not turned into a farking martyr.

Yes, he saw some very bad things while on duty, and yes, they should be investigated, but he is not in any way a hero. He is sick and needs help. And the worst part is that he will never get it, because the LAPD will shoot him on sight no matter what he's doing, even if it's waving a white flag.

This is a tragedy, not a meme. Don't try to turn it into one.

That's a lot of speculation you got goin on there.  Man, everyone could just post a 22 page document online, you could diagnose them, and single-handedly end the psychology field.

amazing.


He's  shooting people and his manifesto displays multiple textbook, as in  literally in Psych textbooks, signs of mental illness. In what universe would you say there is any reasonable likelihood he's  sane?
 
2013-02-09 10:57:46 PM

RandomRandom: LessO2: It's stuff like this that makes Dorner's words about the police look more and more credible.

Yep

I have very little doubt that Dorner's accusations were completely accurate.  He was fired for crossing the blue line, telling the truth about criminal acts by his partner.  It's stuff like that, and this that would make more than a few LA residents willing to hide Dorner.

The response by the LAPD proves just how chickenshiat a lot of cops are (not all, but a lot).  Little men who need a gun to feel safe, so terrified of Dorner that they shoot 3 civilians who looked nothing like Dorner, driving entirely different vehicles.


As the vehicle approached the house, officers unloaded a barrage of bullets into the back of the truck. When the shooting stopped, they quickly realized their mistake. The truck was not a Nissan Titan, but a Toyota Tacoma. The color wasn't gray, but aqua blue. And it wasn't Dorner inside the truck, but a woman and her mother delivering copies of the Los Angeles Times.

LATimes
 
2013-02-09 10:58:22 PM

PsiChick: Alonjar: [img853.imageshack.us image 606x481]

...The fark? No. Dorner is  not Batman,  he is possibly schizophrenic and certainly mentally ill. He needs to be put in a nice padded cell, not turned into a farking martyr.

Yes, he saw some very bad things while on duty, and yes, they should be investigated, but he is not in any way a hero. He is sick and needs help. And the worst part is that he will never get it, because the LAPD will shoot him on sight no matter what he's doing, even if it's waving a white flag.

This is a tragedy, not a meme. Don't try to turn it into one.


He is one unusually highly trained, highly disturbed, highly motivated person going up against a police department that's larger than most armies in Africa.  So far he's taken out three, the LAPD have shot up civilians and made themselves look like complete idiots, and he's still out there several days later.  So he's a pretty rare bird, is what he is.  One in 330 million, to be exact.

Good thing for us he doesn't have access to something like, say, a small tactical nuclear weapon.

This time.
 
2013-02-09 10:58:24 PM
Dorner's no hero and his justifications went out the window when he killed Monica Quan and her fiance. If he'd stuck to corrupt cops I might have some sympathy for him.

Denver cops are notorious assholes. So are Portland's (Oregon).
 
2013-02-09 10:58:54 PM
Do you feel sorry for the poor little swiiiine? *oink* *oink*
 
2013-02-09 10:59:46 PM
USA!
 
2013-02-09 11:01:47 PM

PsiChick: Girion47: PsiChick: Alonjar: [img853.imageshack.us image 606x481]

...The fark? No. Dorner is  not Batman,  he is possibly schizophrenic and certainly mentally ill. He needs to be put in a nice padded cell, not turned into a farking martyr.

Yes, he saw some very bad things while on duty, and yes, they should be investigated, but he is not in any way a hero. He is sick and needs help. And the worst part is that he will never get it, because the LAPD will shoot him on sight no matter what he's doing, even if it's waving a white flag.

This is a tragedy, not a meme. Don't try to turn it into one.

That's a lot of speculation you got goin on there.  Man, everyone could just post a 22 page document online, you could diagnose them, and single-handedly end the psychology field.

amazing.

He's  shooting people and his manifesto displays multiple textbook, as in  literally in Psych textbooks, signs of mental illness. In what universe would you say there is any reasonable likelihood he's  sane?


He's shot cops so far.

And according to what I can find, there's no evidence he shot the Quan's except for the LAPD saying "He implicated himself with this manifesto"

Searching the manifesto, he makes a threat, there's no admission of guilt.  So as far as anyone is concerned, he is a prime suspect, but there really isn't any evidence tying him to the murders.
 
2013-02-09 11:02:12 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Good thing for us he doesn't have access to something like, say, a small tactical nuclear weapon.

This time.


Didn't he hint in his manifesto he has access to a shoulder-launched surface to air missile? (I think I read that on Fark. Haven't read said manifesto.)
 
2013-02-09 11:05:25 PM

PsiChick: Girion47: PsiChick: Alonjar: [img853.imageshack.us image 606x481]

...The fark? No. Dorner is  not Batman,  he is possibly schizophrenic and certainly mentally ill. He needs to be put in a nice padded cell, not turned into a farking martyr.

Yes, he saw some very bad things while on duty, and yes, they should be investigated, but he is not in any way a hero. He is sick and needs help. And the worst part is that he will never get it, because the LAPD will shoot him on sight no matter what he's doing, even if it's waving a white flag.

This is a tragedy, not a meme. Don't try to turn it into one.

That's a lot of speculation you got goin on there.  Man, everyone could just post a 22 page document online, you could diagnose them, and single-handedly end the psychology field.

amazing.

He's  shooting people and his manifesto displays multiple textbook, as in  literally in Psych textbooks, signs of mental illness. In what universe would you say there is any reasonable likelihood he's  sane?


and really?  Psych textbooks?   That's a huge collection of bullshiat psychobabble that's mostly been invented in the self interest of expanding mental issues so that psychologists have a job.     Taking one sample of writing and diagnosing schizophrenia is like finding a peice of wood on a mountain and claiming it is Noah's Ark.
 
2013-02-09 11:06:36 PM

Dr.Zom: Dorner's no hero and his justifications went out the window when he killed Monica Quan and her fiance.


Just wanted to say, THIS.
 
2013-02-09 11:07:39 PM

Marcus Aurelius: sseye: Marcus Aurelius: doglover: Every sensible country also has a death penalty

/backs away slowly

What? Iran, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, and China are the bee's knees.

The brown countries in this picture are the only places that have a death penalty for everyday crimes:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 750x381]

America is a barbaric country, no two ways about it.


I'd hang people for crimes against life, liberty or property.  Yes that means hanging 1st time offenders for property crimes.  A farking fender bender when it came from negligence?  Negligence from something preventable?  Such as yapping on a cell phone?  Yup, hang your ass.  Drunk and hit a mailbox?  Hanging.  But it would require undeniable proof from cop hating assholes that you really did fark up and hurt their life, liberty or property.  

Caveats being that if you cause harm to something that has no demonstrable effect to  your life, you don't hang.  There is no need to hang pencil thieves.

Barbaric?  Fark you.  Letting criminals go free to hurt other is barbaric.  To say otherwise is to enable evil and thus be evil yourself.  May you too hang.  Preferably from a hemp rope because hemp is good and rope is reusable.

/I'm a cheapskate motherfarker
 
2013-02-09 11:08:06 PM
He fell on the billy clubs.
 
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