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2013-02-09 06:34:41 PM
$795,000 settlement

so there is that.

/Denver cops are not a good bunch.
 
2013-02-09 06:39:03 PM
Damn you got knocked the fark out
 
2013-02-09 06:43:11 PM
I'm sure the statist authoritarian scum will be in here shortly to defend the cops in question.
 
2013-02-09 06:43:21 PM
Why not give the cops a medal?

They saved the guy from worse injuries when he fell off the curb.
 
2013-02-09 07:03:42 PM
It's stuff like this that makes Dorner's words about the police look more and more credible.
 
2013-02-09 08:00:28 PM
That guy sure likes to trip.
 
2013-02-09 08:05:41 PM

LessO2: It's stuff like this that makes Dorner's words about the police look more and more credible.


The thing that gets me with Dorner is that he was fired for "making false statements". And these guys get off scott free. S*hit, we have Portland cops who have posted Nazi tributes in a public park, sexually harassed co-workers and shot an unarmed, fleeing suspect in the back and NONE of them got fired. I guess Dorner's cardinal sin was badmouthing another cop.
 
2013-02-09 08:10:05 PM
While not all P.D.'s are head bashing storm troopers many seem to be following the feds lead.
Our rights do not matter if they take even the smallest interest in us.
Cue: tin foil hat bashers,stage right.
 
2013-02-09 08:12:12 PM
Sounds legit..

FBI are upstanding types and are here to help the average citizen.  So that guy must have staged it to be spiteful.
 
2013-02-09 08:16:08 PM

LessO2: It's stuff like this that makes Dorner's words about the police look more and more credible.


Not quite. Even a crazy clock is right sometimes. That doesn't mean it's logical, just that jumping to enough conclusions is accuracy by volume. The LAPD probably is a pile of shiat just like he claimed in his little diatribe. But you can't judge that by him because he's reaching that conclusion from Crazytown and is thus unreliable.

However, the fact that they lit up two different wrong trucks looking for him like a coupla real life Barney Fifes shows they're weak and womanly (in the pejorative viking sense that was actually illegal to use) and they probably shouldn't be police officers at all. Also just look at LA. Apparently it's covered in graffiti and the cops won't come to your house to arrest a drunken driver who has just crashed his truck into it. They will not hesitate to pull you over for not having two license plates, though. This is if Adam Carola is to be believed. He is not crazy and his other observations are sound.

That is the rub. The Crazy Man is correct that the department is awful. However that doesn't mean his reasoning to get there is sound. You can't take his word for it. However, look at the LAPD's actions and look at the hubris that lets an obviously unfair system with a huge bias towards the rich parade around the term "Justice System" as though they even know the meaning of the word. Then draw your own conclusions. Do they measure up or are they just another street gang?
 
2013-02-09 08:43:25 PM

doglover: That is the rub. The Crazy Man is correct that the department is awful. However that doesn't mean his reasoning to get there is sound. You can't take his word for it.


Oh, I'm not saying Dorner is a patron saint of anything.  Of course you have to take what he says with a grain of salt, but the LAPD is far from being clean.
 
2013-02-09 08:44:45 PM
lesson learned - don't be black in Denver.  got it.  thanks guys!
 
2013-02-09 08:49:30 PM

doglover: LessO2: It's stuff like this that makes Dorner's words about the police look more and more credible.

Not quite. Even a crazy clock is right sometimes. That doesn't mean it's logical, just that jumping to enough conclusions is accuracy by volume. The LAPD probably is a pile of shiat just like he claimed in his little diatribe. But you can't judge that by him because he's reaching that conclusion from Crazytown and is thus unreliable.


Pretty much THIS.  It is definitely easy for police to get off scott free with all kinds of crimes.  That being said, killing the cops for it isn't the way to go about.  Also, killing cop's families is absolutely never the way to go about it as well.

Gotta have a sense of proportion about this.
 
2013-02-09 08:49:43 PM

LessO2: Of course you have to take what he says with a grain of sal


You have to take it with a little more than that.

He's illogical, thus unreliable.
 
2013-02-09 08:57:24 PM
Besides the two thirds of the settlement cash I hope he got health care for life for any injuries related to him running into those batons time after time.

Probably not.
 
2013-02-09 09:00:41 PM
This is what happens when you vote for Democrats or Republicans. The guy was lucky he wasn't murdered or tortured to death.
 
2013-02-09 09:02:12 PM

Klippoklondike: That being said, killing the cops for it isn't the way to go about.


Almost assuredly not, but we can't take it for granted based merely on a whack-job's manifesto. Again his logic is unreliable so even seemingly sensible conclusions are untrustworthy.

Every sensible country also has a death penalty. So while killing the police extra-judicially is probably a safe bet to be the wrong plan for various reasons ethical and historical I won't go into great detail on now, that doesn't mean "killing cops" is never the right way to go.

Look at the accusations coming out of India where a girl goes in to the cops to report one rape and is treated to a few more by the constables. That's a gallows no one would regret tossing the lever on if the accusations are true.


So again we see the unreliable crazy man's answers are landing in the potentially correct solution, much like a sufficient number of bullets from a machine gun will eventually hit a certain target on the range. However, much like an out of control machine gun, you'll want to avoid using a crazy person's answers because the risk of missing is much, much higher and you or others will be hurt. It's best to discard wholesale crazy assertions and start again from scratch.
 
2013-02-09 09:06:06 PM

DrPainMD: This is what happens when you vote for Democrats or Republicans. The guy was lucky he wasn't murdered or tortured to death.


EVERYONE IS BAD.  LOOK AT ME, I'M PRETENDING TO BE A VICTIM.
 
2013-02-09 09:09:13 PM

2wolves: Besides the two thirds of the settlement cash I hope he got health care for life for any injuries related to him running into those batons time after time.

Probably not.


Don't forget the cops don't pay that money, the taxpayers do. So they're in the clear while Denver area law abiding citizens will see a tax increase or a service decrease for the alleged sins of the police.

This is what happens when healthcare is for profit and the government is held accountable for money. The government never has any money. That's your money and my money.
 
2013-02-09 09:23:25 PM

Sgygus: $795,000 settlement

so there is that.

/Denver cops are not a good bunch.


That probably covered maybe half the hospital bills.
 
2013-02-09 09:28:05 PM
Respect mah authoritah!
 
2013-02-09 09:30:36 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2013-02-09 09:31:51 PM
Police are licensed psychopaths with government protection.
 
2013-02-09 09:32:08 PM
SCORE!  I'd let them kick the shiat out of me for a  $795,000 settlement.
 
2013-02-09 09:33:40 PM

sweet-daddy-2: While not all P.D.'s are head bashing storm troopers many seem to be following the feds lead.
Our rights do not matter if they take even the smallest interest in us.
Cue: tin foil hat bashers,stage right.


I usually find the fbi to be better than the cops when it comes to blue line cover-ups.

That pic sure as shiat looks like police brutality to me.
 
2013-02-09 09:34:44 PM
Look, if the guy didn't want to be beat within an inch of his life, he shouldn't have not been a cop.
 
2013-02-09 09:34:45 PM
Things To Do In Denver When You're Pigs.

/They tried to give the guy a Buckwheat.
 
2013-02-09 09:35:06 PM
Dude should be more careful. Street curbs may be menacing to society in that they are easy to trip over, but they're a necessary evil for channeling water.

Also don't be black.
 
2013-02-09 09:35:42 PM
OK, I had to read that three times to see what was happening here. There will be no FEDERAL charges, but the cops and the city lost the civil suit. Which makes more sense, and the last line of the article had it wrong.

Conspiracy to violate civil rights, as opposed to just beating the crap out of someone, can be a tough nut to prove. But the guy did win the beating case.
 
2013-02-09 09:36:47 PM
At least they didn't unload 50+ bullets into his vehicle.
 
2013-02-09 09:37:04 PM

fusillade762: LessO2: It's stuff like this that makes Dorner's words about the police look more and more credible.

The thing that gets me with Dorner is that he was fired for "making false statements". And these guys get off scott free. S*hit, we have Portland cops who have posted Nazi tributes in a public park, sexually harassed co-workers and shot an unarmed, fleeing suspect in the back and NONE of them got fired. I guess Dorner's cardinal sin was badmouthing another cop.

Have you seen the report of the LAPD shooting two women because they were delivering newspapers in a "similar" blue truck as Dorner?  Or the other guy shot 5 mins later driving a "similar" black truck.  Mistaken identity is a biatch when the police are involved.


http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=fHeICQpCGrI&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv% 3D fHeICQpCGrI
 
2013-02-09 09:38:26 PM
You know, for there not being a code of silence amongst cops, there sure are a lot of settlements against accusations of conspiring to cover up police crimes or brutality.
 
2013-02-09 09:38:30 PM
Yea so if a cop is approaching you and he is wearing full leather gloves( and they are not for local weather conditions), its to prevent the evidence of him smashing your face in.

/Looky yer Honor, No cuts or scrapes on my hands, so that means someone else did it.
 
2013-02-09 09:38:41 PM
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2013-02-09 09:40:08 PM

Klippoklondike: doglover: LessO2: It's stuff like this that makes Dorner's words about the police look more and more credible.

Not quite. Even a crazy clock is right sometimes. That doesn't mean it's logical, just that jumping to enough conclusions is accuracy by volume. The LAPD probably is a pile of shiat just like he claimed in his little diatribe. But you can't judge that by him because he's reaching that conclusion from Crazytown and is thus unreliable.

Pretty much THIS.  It is definitely easy for police to get off scott free with all kinds of crimes.  That being said, killing the cops for it isn't the way to go about.  Also, killing cop's families is absolutely never the way to go about it as well.

Gotta have a sense of proportion about this.


The hell is isn't.  That is exactly the kind of thing you do when genocide is the only answer left.  You exterminate the bloodline, the DNA, the very genetics of evil.

/trolling?  You'll never know.
 
2013-02-09 09:40:14 PM
So, you're saying that this guy got a $795,000 settlement because he slipped and fell down, face first, while the officers were trying to assist him - I mean, arrest him.

/of course, in court, you have to prove your case beyond any reasonable doubt...or the perp(s) go free
 
2013-02-09 09:43:12 PM

coco ebert: Sgygus: $795,000 settlement

so there is that.

/Denver cops are not a good bunch.

That probably covered maybe half the hospital bills.


That's ok, because we have the best healthcare system in the world.
 
2013-02-09 09:44:09 PM
We need guns to defend ourselves against the government, but this guy must have done something wrong, and if you haven't done anything wrong you have no reason not to let the government into the trunk of your car or read your private emails.
 
2013-02-09 09:44:28 PM
They won't be charged with civil rights violations.
 
2013-02-09 09:45:34 PM

Klippoklondike: doglover: LessO2: It's stuff like this that makes Dorner's words about the police look more and more credible.


Pretty much THIS.  It is definitely easy for police to get off scott free with all kinds of crimes.  That being said, killing the cops for it isn't the way to go about.  Also, killing cop's families is absolutely never the way to go about it as well.



I don't know, if this was my son or daughter laying in a hospital bed almost dead because of some rogue cops Dorner would look like the patron saint compared to what I would be doing
 
2013-02-09 09:47:40 PM

Sgygus: $795,000 settlement

so there is that.


The cops don't have to pay it.  The taxpayers do.  There's no incentive for the cops to stop beating the crap out of people.
 
2013-02-09 09:47:46 PM

doglover: However, the fact that they lit up two different wrong trucks looking for him like a coupla real life Barney Fifes shows they're weak and womanly (in the pejorative viking sense that was actually illegal to use)


Dafuq you just say?

(emphasis added)
 
2013-02-09 09:49:41 PM

PacificaFitz: Klippoklondike: doglover: LessO2: It's stuff like this that makes Dorner's words about the police look more and more credible.


Pretty much THIS.  It is definitely easy for police to get off scott free with all kinds of crimes.  That being said, killing the cops for it isn't the way to go about.  Also, killing cop's families is absolutely never the way to go about it as well.


I don't know, if this was my son or daughter laying in a hospital bed almost dead because of some rogue cops Dorner would look like the patron saint compared to what I would be doing


i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2013-02-09 09:50:34 PM
I am shocked, SHOCKED!
 
2013-02-09 09:53:25 PM
I didn't even realize he was black until I read that part, because he was so banged up. There's a problem with Judges in this country always taking the police officers' side, no matter what. Cops lie, swearing an oath doesn't mean a damn thing to some of them, evidence must be produced instead of this he said/she said judicial system.
 
2013-02-09 09:54:06 PM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Sgygus: $795,000 settlement

so there is that.

The cops don't have to pay it.  The taxpayers do.  There's no incentive for the cops to stop beating the crap out of people.


Next tax time, add a line item on everyone's bill:

 Your share of settlements paid to victims of police brutality:  ..........$105.00

People should have to see the cost of always electing the guy who's "toughest on crime".
 
2013-02-09 09:54:36 PM
When was the last time someone heard of one of these asshole cops actually getting in trouble? I don't mean suspended with pay or having to go to consoling, I mean that cops that violated the law they are sworn to uphold getting fired and/or jail time.
 
2013-02-09 09:54:41 PM
ionenewsone.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-09 09:56:29 PM
So the going rate for the police to beat the living shiat out of you is 795k.

Got it.
 
2013-02-09 09:57:24 PM

stiletto_the_wise: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Sgygus: $795,000 settlement

so there is that.

The cops don't have to pay it.  The taxpayers do.  There's no incentive for the cops to stop beating the crap out of people.

Next tax time, add a line item on everyone's bill:

 Your share of settlements paid to victims of police brutality:  ..........$105.00

People should have to see the cost of always electing the guy who's "toughest on crime".


Or just randomly shooting the crap out of a truck like the LAPD recently.  Everyone of those so-called officers belong in prison facing attempted murder but they'll get off scott free.  On the bright side, if the victims survive they'll be millionaires very soon.
 
2013-02-09 10:01:17 PM
kalor:

Or just randomly shooting the crap out of a truck like the LAPD recently.  Everyone of those so-called officers belong in prison facing attempted murder but they'll get off scott free.  On the bright side, if the victims survive they'll be millionaires very soon.

They'll be thousandaires after they pay their lawyers their share.
 
2013-02-09 10:01:25 PM

stiletto_the_wise: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: Sgygus: $795,000 settlement

so there is that.

The cops don't have to pay it.  The taxpayers do.  There's no incentive for the cops to stop beating the crap out of people.

Next tax time, add a line item on everyone's bill:

 Your share of settlements paid to victims of police brutality:  ..........$105.00

People should have to see the cost of always electing the guy who's "toughest on crime".


Chicago had 662 police officers with ten or more complaints against them in 2009.  http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-police-repeater-list-fed e ral-appeals-court-abuse-69722572.html

Chicago paid out $45 million in settlements for complaints filed from 2009-2011.  http://www.nbcchicago.com/investigations/unit-5-chicago-reporter-chic a go-police-ipra--149771045.html

Awesome.
 
2013-02-09 10:03:35 PM

Gyrfalcon: OK, I had to read that three times to see what was happening here. There will be no FEDERAL charges, but the cops and the city lost the civil suit. Which makes more sense, and the last line of the article had it wrong.

Conspiracy to violate civil rights, as opposed to just beating the crap out of someone, can be a tough nut to prove. But the guy did win the beating case.


But, unless the cops are sent to prison, society, as a whole, loses.
 
2013-02-09 10:10:18 PM

Sgygus: $795,000 settlement

so there is that.

/Denver cops are not a good bunch.

FTFY

 
2013-02-09 10:10:48 PM
At first I was going to click the link and think of some sarcastic joke on how they couldn't have done it. Then I saw the picture and got mad enough that I couldn't think of one. Hope those cops have an unfortunate accident.
 
2013-02-09 10:10:57 PM
A Cops Lie Haiku


Cops Lie Every Day

In Court to the Judge They Lie

Lying Sacks of shiat
 
2013-02-09 10:11:20 PM

doglover: Every sensible country also has a death penalty


/backs away slowly
 
2013-02-09 10:11:27 PM
disgusting.
 
2013-02-09 10:12:39 PM

redmid17: Chicago had 662 police officers with ten or more complaints against them in 2009.  http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-police-repeater-list-fed e ral-appeals-court-abuse-69722572.html

Chicago paid out $45 million in settlements for complaints filed from 2009-2011.  http://www.nbcchicago.com/investigations/unit-5-chicago-reporter-chic a go-police-ipra--149771045.html

Awesome.


Yet, next election season, the winner will always be the guy who shouts the loudest, "OOGABOOGABOOGA! CRIME!! MOAR POLICE!! MOAR ENFORCEMENT!! TARF ON CRIME!! HURRRRRR!"
 
2013-02-09 10:12:51 PM
Why do farkers call police, when they are the epitome of evil?
 
2013-02-09 10:15:53 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Klippoklondike: doglover: LessO2: It's stuff like this that makes Dorner's words about the police look more and more credible.

Not quite. Even a crazy clock is right sometimes. That doesn't mean it's logical, just that jumping to enough conclusions is accuracy by volume. The LAPD probably is a pile of shiat just like he claimed in his little diatribe. But you can't judge that by him because he's reaching that conclusion from Crazytown and is thus unreliable.

Pretty much THIS.  It is definitely easy for police to get off scott free with all kinds of crimes.  That being said, killing the cops for it isn't the way to go about.  Also, killing cop's families is absolutely never the way to go about it as well.

Gotta have a sense of proportion about this.

The hell is isn't.  That is exactly the kind of thing you do when genocide is the only answer left.  You exterminate the bloodline, the DNA, the very genetics of evil.

/trolling?  You'll never know.


The man exhausted his legal options entirely and was denied any sort of justice all along the way.

Once your legal means are exhausted and you're still sore from being raped, all the other options go on the table.

ALL the other options.

THAT is why justice must be blind - and reach all citizens equally, even if they happen to be cops.

/cops taking liberties with justice are exactly like state store workers stealing booze
 
2013-02-09 10:18:04 PM

stiletto_the_wise: redmid17: Chicago had 662 police officers with ten or more complaints against them in 2009.  http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/chicago-police-repeater-list-fed e ral-appeals-court-abuse-69722572.html

Chicago paid out $45 million in settlements for complaints filed from 2009-2011.  http://www.nbcchicago.com/investigations/unit-5-chicago-reporter-chic a go-police-ipra--149771045.html

Awesome.

Yet, next election season, the winner will always be the guy who shouts the loudest, "OOGABOOGABOOGA! CRIME!! MOAR POLICE!! MOAR ENFORCEMENT!! TARF ON CRIME!! HURRRRRR!"


Chicago has a lot of issues with its government. It's a little too "inbred" for my taste.
 
2013-02-09 10:18:27 PM

kombat_unit: Why do farkers call police, when they are the epitome of evil?


The only times I've ever called the cops was to get documentation for an insurance claim.  They're good for that.
 
2013-02-09 10:19:46 PM
Marcus Aurelius:
/cops taking liberties with justice are exactly like state store workers stealing booze

Makes perfect sense.  Can I try?

/cops taking liberties with justice is exactly like schoolteachers stealing pencils
 
2013-02-09 10:21:29 PM

Marcus Aurelius: doglover: Every sensible country also has a death penalty

/backs away slowly


What? Iran, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, and China are the bee's knees.
 
2013-02-09 10:22:00 PM

MNguy: Marcus Aurelius:
/cops taking liberties with justice are exactly like state store workers stealing booze

Makes perfect sense.  Can I try?

/cops taking liberties with justice is exactly like schoolteachers stealing pencils


Only if they stick the pencils up their students orifii.  We're talking felonies here.
 
2013-02-09 10:23:25 PM

doglover: Klippoklondike: That being said, killing the cops for it isn't the way to go about.

Almost assuredly not, but we can't take it for granted based merely on a whack-job's manifesto. Again his logic is unreliable so even seemingly sensible conclusions are untrustworthy.

Every sensible country also has a death penalty. So while killing the police extra-judicially is probably a safe bet to be the wrong plan for various reasons ethical and historical I won't go into great detail on now, that doesn't mean "killing cops" is never the right way to go.

Look at the accusations coming out of India where a girl goes in to the cops to report one rape and is treated to a few more by the constables. That's a gallows no one would regret tossing the lever on if the accusations are true.


So again we see the unreliable crazy man's answers are landing in the potentially correct solution, much like a sufficient number of bullets from a machine gun will eventually hit a certain target on the range. However, much like an out of control machine gun, you'll want to avoid using a crazy person's answers because the risk of missing is much, much higher and you or others will be hurt. It's best to discard wholesale crazy assertions and start again from scratch.


bulk2.destructoid.com
 
2013-02-09 10:24:51 PM

sseye: Marcus Aurelius: doglover: Every sensible country also has a death penalty

/backs away slowly

What? Iran, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, and China are the bee's knees.


The brown countries in this picture are the only places that have a death penalty for everyday crimes:

upload.wikimedia.org

America is a barbaric country, no two ways about it.
 
2013-02-09 10:26:02 PM

Sgygus: $795,000 settlement

so there is that.

/Denver cops are not a good bunch.


True, but after spending time in both cities, Chicago cops are by FAR worse. Their beatings extend to women and kids.


/CSB time

Truck broke down in Denver in the middle of Colorado Blvd. Cop comes by and eventually offers me a lift to my wife's work. As we were driving there, he slows down to check out a bunch of women walking by. After they pass by, he blurs out, "You know what the best part of being a cop is? All the tail."
 
2013-02-09 10:26:11 PM

LessO2: It's stuff like this that makes Dorner's words about the police look more and more credible.


Yep

I have very little doubt that Dorner's accusations were completely accurate.  He was fired for crossing the blue line, telling the truth about criminal acts by his partner.  It's stuff like that, and this that would make more than a few LA residents willing to hide Dorner.

The response by the LAPD proves just how chickenshiat a lot of cops are (not all, but a lot).  Little men who need a gun to feel safe, so terrified of Dorner that they shoot 3 civilians who looked nothing like Dorner, driving entirely different vehicles.
 
2013-02-09 10:26:12 PM

Marcus Aurelius: kombat_unit: Why do farkers call police, when they are the epitome of evil?

The only times I've ever called the cops was to get documentation for an insurance claim.  They're good for that.


Humm, they didn't beat you and drop narcotics to frame you immediately?
 
2013-02-09 10:29:13 PM

kombat_unit: Why do farkers call police, when they are the epitome of evil?


Why do you beat your wife?
 
2013-02-09 10:30:56 PM

SpdrJay: Police are licensed psychopaths with government protection.


Any honest psychiatrist, psychologist or counselor who has dealt with LEO's will pretty much confirm your observation.
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-09 10:31:30 PM
Up-jumped-Jesus-on-a-pogostick!
encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com
WTF is with these police? Are they actually trying to make it so the public hates them with a burning disgust?
Can we please find a way to make the shiatbag LEO's personally liable for the losses they make the public incur as a result of their criminal activity?
They can pay it back in installments, like a loan or such.
Maybe the next jackboots would not do the same after seeing that verdict.
I am sick to the teeth of paying up for jerks like these cops.
 
2013-02-09 10:33:53 PM

DrPainMD: This is what happens when you vote for Democrats or Republicans. The guy was lucky he wasn't murdered or tortured to death.


"Kenneth Michael Trentadue (December 19, 1950 - August 21, 1995) was allegedly found hanged in his cell at during the investigation of the, allegedly a suicide. Trentadue's family maintains that he was murdered by the FBI themselves and that officials at the prison engaged in a cover-up. Oklahoma City's chief medical examiner,, said of Trentadue that it was "very likely he was murdered." stated that he believes Trentadue was mistaken forJr., a suspected co-conspirator in the bombing who also died in federal custody, allegedly from suicide by hanging. In 1999, fellow-inmate Alden Gillis Baker volunteered to testify that he witnessed Trentadue's murder. A year later he was found hanged in his cell, another apparent suicide."

O.o

/also, 795,000 reasons they're innocent

PacificaFitz: Klippoklondike: doglover: LessO2: It's stuff like this that makes Dorner's words about the police look more and more credible.


Pretty much THIS.  It is definitely easy for police to get off scott free with all kinds of crimes.  That being said, killing the cops for it isn't the way to go about.  Also, killing cop's families is absolutely never the way to go about it as well.


I don't know, if this was my son or daughter laying in a hospital bed almost dead because of some rogue cops Dorner would look like the patron saint compared to what I would be doing


/in nomine patris et filii et spiritus sancti
 
2013-02-09 10:34:45 PM
Calling Christopher Dorner. Christopher Dorner to the white courtesy telephone please.....
 
2013-02-09 10:36:33 PM
Marcus Aurelius:
 We're talking felonies here.

So....stealing booze = beating a man within an inch of his life?  Not all felonies are created equal.
 
2013-02-09 10:37:39 PM

kombat_unit: Marcus Aurelius: kombat_unit: Why do farkers call police, when they are the epitome of evil?

The only times I've ever called the cops was to get documentation for an insurance claim.  They're good for that.

Humm, they didn't beat you and drop narcotics to frame you immediately?


No, no, no, no, no.  I'm a large fit white well educated and well spoken protestant male with a beautiful Italian wife and 2.1 children.  I could have shot up heroin in front of them and they'd have been embarrassed and looked the other way.
 
2013-02-09 10:40:10 PM

Marcus Aurelius: America is a barbaric country, no two ways about it.


Of course it is. A cursory glance at our government, law enforcement, and political system is a dead giveaway.
 
2013-02-09 10:40:46 PM
And now a message from Officer Friendly.

www.artskills.net
 
2013-02-09 10:40:47 PM

Smeggy Smurf: Klippoklondike: doglover: LessO2: It's stuff like this that makes Dorner's words about the police look more and more credible.

Not quite. Even a crazy clock is right sometimes. That doesn't mean it's logical, just that jumping to enough conclusions is accuracy by volume. The LAPD probably is a pile of shiat just like he claimed in his little diatribe. But you can't judge that by him because he's reaching that conclusion from Crazytown and is thus unreliable.

Pretty much THIS.  It is definitely easy for police to get off scott free with all kinds of crimes.  That being said, killing the cops for it isn't the way to go about.  Also, killing cop's families is absolutely never the way to go about it as well.

Gotta have a sense of proportion about this.

The hell is isn't.  That is exactly the kind of thing you do when genocide is the only answer left.  You exterminate the bloodline, the DNA, the very genetics of evil.

/trolling?  You'll never know.


I think we may find that the threats to the families was a psyops tactic to rattle the cops. It worked.
 
2013-02-09 10:42:07 PM

doglover: LessO2: It's stuff like this that makes Dorner's words about the police look more and more credible.

Not quite. Even a crazy clock is right sometimes. That doesn't mean it's logical, just that jumping to enough conclusions is accuracy by volume. The LAPD probably is a pile of shiat just like he claimed in his little diatribe. But you can't judge that by him because he's reaching that conclusion from Crazytown and is thus unreliable.

However, the fact that they lit up two different wrong trucks looking for him like a coupla real life Barney Fifes shows they're weak and womanly (in the pejorative viking sense that was actually illegal to use) and they probably shouldn't be police officers at all. Also just look at LA. Apparently it's covered in graffiti and the cops won't come to your house to arrest a drunken driver who has just crashed his truck into it. They will not hesitate to pull you over for not having two license plates, though. This is if Adam Carola is to be believed. He is not crazy and his other observations are sound.

That is the rub. The Crazy Man is correct that the department is awful. However that doesn't mean his reasoning to get there is sound. You can't take his word for it. However, look at the LAPD's actions and look at the hubris that lets an obviously unfair system with a huge bias towards the rich parade around the term "Justice System" as though they even know the meaning of the word. Then draw your own conclusions. Do they measure up or are they just another street gang?


I find it interesting you're trying to throw the crazy label out as much as possible.  Why so eager to discredit the guy?  Why so sure he is crazy?
 
2013-02-09 10:43:51 PM

MNguy: Marcus Aurelius:
 We're talking felonies here.

So....stealing booze = beating a man within an inch of his life?  Not all felonies are created equal.


I was putting it in the terms a citizen living in an horrible ABC/LCB state could understand.

The fundamental problem with cops is that they're the pipeline into the justice system.  They bear witness against our fellow citizens.  IF they are demonstrably less than beyond reproach, or worse, demonstrably corrupt, faith in the rule of law erodes, and for what?  The sake of a few bad cops?  Why should they be excused, when they are the ones that need to be cleaner than clean for the system to work?
 
2013-02-09 10:45:43 PM

LessO2: doglover: That is the rub. The Crazy Man is correct that the department is awful. However that doesn't mean his reasoning to get there is sound. You can't take his word for it.

Oh, I'm not saying Dorner is a patron saint of anything.  Of course you have to take what he says with a grain of salt, but the LAPD is far from being clean.


I think it is fair to say the media can twist facts as they feel the need to sell more ads and who is rubbing their belly. My question is this, what if Dorner tried to do this the legitimate way? Who would listen to him? Fark!!! He sent CNN a CD and they didn't even look at it till after the rampage started. He may have knocked on hundreds of doors and everybody answered the same way..."Yeah, buddy. We have heard it all before".

Maybe, just maybe, he isn't as crazy after all. Just pissed to the point he wanted to be heard and had to make an extreme impact to do so.
 
2013-02-09 10:49:18 PM

Alonjar: [img853.imageshack.us image 606x481]


...The fark? No. Dorner is  not Batman,  he is possibly schizophrenic and certainly mentally ill. He needs to be put in a nice padded cell, not turned into a farking martyr.

Yes, he saw some very bad things while on duty, and yes, they should be investigated, but he is not in any way a hero. He is sick and needs help. And the worst part is that he will never get it, because the LAPD will shoot him on sight no matter what he's doing, even if it's waving a white flag.

This is a tragedy, not a meme. Don't try to turn it into one.
 
2013-02-09 10:51:14 PM

Marcus Aurelius: The brown countries in this picture are the only places that have a death penalty for everyday crimes:

America is a barbaric country, no two ways about it.


So premeditated murder is a "everyday crime?" How "barbarian."
 
2013-02-09 10:52:22 PM
anarchypress.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-09 10:55:14 PM

PsiChick: Alonjar: [img853.imageshack.us image 606x481]

...The fark? No. Dorner is  not Batman,  he is possibly schizophrenic and certainly mentally ill. He needs to be put in a nice padded cell, not turned into a farking martyr.

Yes, he saw some very bad things while on duty, and yes, they should be investigated, but he is not in any way a hero. He is sick and needs help. And the worst part is that he will never get it, because the LAPD will shoot him on sight no matter what he's doing, even if it's waving a white flag.

This is a tragedy, not a meme. Don't try to turn it into one.


That's a lot of speculation you got goin on there.  Man, everyone could just post a 22 page document online, you could diagnose them, and single-handedly end the psychology field.

amazing.
 
2013-02-09 10:57:37 PM

Girion47: PsiChick: Alonjar: [img853.imageshack.us image 606x481]

...The fark? No. Dorner is  not Batman,  he is possibly schizophrenic and certainly mentally ill. He needs to be put in a nice padded cell, not turned into a farking martyr.

Yes, he saw some very bad things while on duty, and yes, they should be investigated, but he is not in any way a hero. He is sick and needs help. And the worst part is that he will never get it, because the LAPD will shoot him on sight no matter what he's doing, even if it's waving a white flag.

This is a tragedy, not a meme. Don't try to turn it into one.

That's a lot of speculation you got goin on there.  Man, everyone could just post a 22 page document online, you could diagnose them, and single-handedly end the psychology field.

amazing.


He's  shooting people and his manifesto displays multiple textbook, as in  literally in Psych textbooks, signs of mental illness. In what universe would you say there is any reasonable likelihood he's  sane?
 
2013-02-09 10:57:46 PM

RandomRandom: LessO2: It's stuff like this that makes Dorner's words about the police look more and more credible.

Yep

I have very little doubt that Dorner's accusations were completely accurate.  He was fired for crossing the blue line, telling the truth about criminal acts by his partner.  It's stuff like that, and this that would make more than a few LA residents willing to hide Dorner.

The response by the LAPD proves just how chickenshiat a lot of cops are (not all, but a lot).  Little men who need a gun to feel safe, so terrified of Dorner that they shoot 3 civilians who looked nothing like Dorner, driving entirely different vehicles.


As the vehicle approached the house, officers unloaded a barrage of bullets into the back of the truck. When the shooting stopped, they quickly realized their mistake. The truck was not a Nissan Titan, but a Toyota Tacoma. The color wasn't gray, but aqua blue. And it wasn't Dorner inside the truck, but a woman and her mother delivering copies of the Los Angeles Times.

LATimes
 
2013-02-09 10:58:22 PM

PsiChick: Alonjar: [img853.imageshack.us image 606x481]

...The fark? No. Dorner is  not Batman,  he is possibly schizophrenic and certainly mentally ill. He needs to be put in a nice padded cell, not turned into a farking martyr.

Yes, he saw some very bad things while on duty, and yes, they should be investigated, but he is not in any way a hero. He is sick and needs help. And the worst part is that he will never get it, because the LAPD will shoot him on sight no matter what he's doing, even if it's waving a white flag.

This is a tragedy, not a meme. Don't try to turn it into one.


He is one unusually highly trained, highly disturbed, highly motivated person going up against a police department that's larger than most armies in Africa.  So far he's taken out three, the LAPD have shot up civilians and made themselves look like complete idiots, and he's still out there several days later.  So he's a pretty rare bird, is what he is.  One in 330 million, to be exact.

Good thing for us he doesn't have access to something like, say, a small tactical nuclear weapon.

This time.
 
2013-02-09 10:58:24 PM
Dorner's no hero and his justifications went out the window when he killed Monica Quan and her fiance. If he'd stuck to corrupt cops I might have some sympathy for him.

Denver cops are notorious assholes. So are Portland's (Oregon).
 
2013-02-09 10:58:54 PM
Do you feel sorry for the poor little swiiiine? *oink* *oink*
 
2013-02-09 10:59:46 PM
USA!
 
2013-02-09 11:01:47 PM

PsiChick: Girion47: PsiChick: Alonjar: [img853.imageshack.us image 606x481]

...The fark? No. Dorner is  not Batman,  he is possibly schizophrenic and certainly mentally ill. He needs to be put in a nice padded cell, not turned into a farking martyr.

Yes, he saw some very bad things while on duty, and yes, they should be investigated, but he is not in any way a hero. He is sick and needs help. And the worst part is that he will never get it, because the LAPD will shoot him on sight no matter what he's doing, even if it's waving a white flag.

This is a tragedy, not a meme. Don't try to turn it into one.

That's a lot of speculation you got goin on there.  Man, everyone could just post a 22 page document online, you could diagnose them, and single-handedly end the psychology field.

amazing.

He's  shooting people and his manifesto displays multiple textbook, as in  literally in Psych textbooks, signs of mental illness. In what universe would you say there is any reasonable likelihood he's  sane?


He's shot cops so far.

And according to what I can find, there's no evidence he shot the Quan's except for the LAPD saying "He implicated himself with this manifesto"

Searching the manifesto, he makes a threat, there's no admission of guilt.  So as far as anyone is concerned, he is a prime suspect, but there really isn't any evidence tying him to the murders.
 
2013-02-09 11:02:12 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Good thing for us he doesn't have access to something like, say, a small tactical nuclear weapon.

This time.


Didn't he hint in his manifesto he has access to a shoulder-launched surface to air missile? (I think I read that on Fark. Haven't read said manifesto.)
 
2013-02-09 11:05:25 PM

PsiChick: Girion47: PsiChick: Alonjar: [img853.imageshack.us image 606x481]

...The fark? No. Dorner is  not Batman,  he is possibly schizophrenic and certainly mentally ill. He needs to be put in a nice padded cell, not turned into a farking martyr.

Yes, he saw some very bad things while on duty, and yes, they should be investigated, but he is not in any way a hero. He is sick and needs help. And the worst part is that he will never get it, because the LAPD will shoot him on sight no matter what he's doing, even if it's waving a white flag.

This is a tragedy, not a meme. Don't try to turn it into one.

That's a lot of speculation you got goin on there.  Man, everyone could just post a 22 page document online, you could diagnose them, and single-handedly end the psychology field.

amazing.

He's  shooting people and his manifesto displays multiple textbook, as in  literally in Psych textbooks, signs of mental illness. In what universe would you say there is any reasonable likelihood he's  sane?


and really?  Psych textbooks?   That's a huge collection of bullshiat psychobabble that's mostly been invented in the self interest of expanding mental issues so that psychologists have a job.     Taking one sample of writing and diagnosing schizophrenia is like finding a peice of wood on a mountain and claiming it is Noah's Ark.
 
2013-02-09 11:06:36 PM

Dr.Zom: Dorner's no hero and his justifications went out the window when he killed Monica Quan and her fiance.


Just wanted to say, THIS.
 
2013-02-09 11:07:39 PM

Marcus Aurelius: sseye: Marcus Aurelius: doglover: Every sensible country also has a death penalty

/backs away slowly

What? Iran, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, and China are the bee's knees.

The brown countries in this picture are the only places that have a death penalty for everyday crimes:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 750x381]

America is a barbaric country, no two ways about it.


I'd hang people for crimes against life, liberty or property.  Yes that means hanging 1st time offenders for property crimes.  A farking fender bender when it came from negligence?  Negligence from something preventable?  Such as yapping on a cell phone?  Yup, hang your ass.  Drunk and hit a mailbox?  Hanging.  But it would require undeniable proof from cop hating assholes that you really did fark up and hurt their life, liberty or property.  

Caveats being that if you cause harm to something that has no demonstrable effect to  your life, you don't hang.  There is no need to hang pencil thieves.

Barbaric?  Fark you.  Letting criminals go free to hurt other is barbaric.  To say otherwise is to enable evil and thus be evil yourself.  May you too hang.  Preferably from a hemp rope because hemp is good and rope is reusable.

/I'm a cheapskate motherfarker
 
2013-02-09 11:08:06 PM
He fell on the billy clubs.
 
2013-02-09 11:10:53 PM

doglover: 2wolves: Besides the two thirds of the settlement cash I hope he got health care for life for any injuries related to him running into those batons time after time.

Probably not.

Don't forget the cops don't pay that money, the taxpayers do. So they're in the clear while Denver area law abiding citizens will see a tax increase or a service decrease for the alleged sins of the police.


Then the taxpayers need to hold the police department accountable so more tax money isn't paid out for settlements.   Denver has had too many cases over the last few years of blatant police misconduct and yet nothing ever changes.
 
2013-02-09 11:12:13 PM

Dr.Zom: Marcus Aurelius: Good thing for us he doesn't have access to something like, say, a small tactical nuclear weapon.

This time.

Didn't he hint in his manifesto he has access to a shoulder-launched surface to air missile? (I think I read that on Fark. Haven't read said manifesto.)


He's trained military, so nothing you hear that's filtered via the media can be taken at face value.  But only a fatalist writes a manifesto and then goes on a serious rampage.  He's already switched to at least one backup vehicle, so he has a plan.
 
2013-02-09 11:13:25 PM

Girion47: PsiChick: Girion47: PsiChick: Alonjar: [img853.imageshack.us image 606x481]

...The fark? No. Dorner is  not Batman,  he is possibly schizophrenic and certainly mentally ill. He needs to be put in a nice padded cell, not turned into a farking martyr.

Yes, he saw some very bad things while on duty, and yes, they should be investigated, but he is not in any way a hero. He is sick and needs help. And the worst part is that he will never get it, because the LAPD will shoot him on sight no matter what he's doing, even if it's waving a white flag.

This is a tragedy, not a meme. Don't try to turn it into one.

That's a lot of speculation you got goin on there.  Man, everyone could just post a 22 page document online, you could diagnose them, and single-handedly end the psychology field.

amazing.

He's  shooting people and his manifesto displays multiple textbook, as in  literally in Psych textbooks, signs of mental illness. In what universe would you say there is any reasonable likelihood he's  sane?

and really?  Psych textbooks?   That's a huge collection of bullshiat psychobabble that's mostly been invented in the self interest of expanding mental issues so that psychologists have a job.     Taking one sample of writing and diagnosing schizophrenia is like finding a peice of wood on a mountain and claiming it is Noah's Ark.


*sigh* I am not  diagnosing schizophrenia, because  I am not a psychologist or psychiatrist. I'd imagine you think it's 'bullshiat psychobabble' because you've never actually  read one, or seen the studies where schizophrenia is one of the few universal disorders.

However, you still have not actually given anyone any reason to believe Dorner is sane, and there is evidence that he is  not sane.

Girion47: He's shot cops so far.

And according to what I can find, there's no evidence he shot the Quan's except for the LAPD saying "He implicated himself with this manifesto"

Searching the manifesto, he makes a threat, there's no admission of guilt.  So as far as anyone is concerned, he is a prime suspect, but there really isn't any evidence tying him to the murders.


...Still not seeing any evidence of sanity...I mean, yes, if he hasn't shot the Quans that's good, but there's still no evidence he's sane.

Marcus Aurelius: He is one unusually highly trained, highly disturbed, highly motivated person going up against a police department that's larger than most armies in Africa.  So far he's taken out three, the LAPD have shot up civilians and made themselves look like complete idiots, and he's still out there several days later.  So he's a pretty rare bird, is what he is.  One in 330 million, to be exact.

Good thing for us he doesn't have access to something like, say, a small tactical nuclear weapon.

This time.


He is that. This guy impresses the shiat out of me. He's just also batshiat and needs a padded cell.

...I'mma just go pray he never gets his hands on one...jebus. Did not need to consider that possibility.
 
2013-02-09 11:14:09 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Dr.Zom: Marcus Aurelius: Good thing for us he doesn't have access to something like, say, a small tactical nuclear weapon.

This time.

Didn't he hint in his manifesto he has access to a shoulder-launched surface to air missile? (I think I read that on Fark. Haven't read said manifesto.)

He's trained military, so nothing you hear that's filtered via the media can be taken at face value.  But only a fatalist writes a manifesto and then goes on a serious rampage.  He's already switched to at least one backup vehicle, so he has a plan.


Actually, that sounds like a great Archer episode.

Does ISIS have an LA office?
 
2013-02-09 11:18:45 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Marcus Aurelius: Dr.Zom: Marcus Aurelius: Good thing for us he doesn't have access to something like, say, a small tactical nuclear weapon.

This time.

Didn't he hint in his manifesto he has access to a shoulder-launched surface to air missile? (I think I read that on Fark. Haven't read said manifesto.)

He's trained military, so nothing you hear that's filtered via the media can be taken at face value.  But only a fatalist writes a manifesto and then goes on a serious rampage.  He's already switched to at least one backup vehicle, so he has a plan.

Actually, that sounds like a great Archer episode.

Does ISIS have an LA office?


No but Conway Stern did have his arm rebuilt by Krieger...

/just sayin
 
2013-02-09 11:18:58 PM

PsiChick: Alonjar: [img853.imageshack.us image 606x481]

...The fark? No. Dorner is  not Batman,  he is possibly schizophrenic and certainly mentally ill. He needs to be put in a nice padded cell, not turned into a farking martyr.

Yes, he saw some very bad things while on duty, and yes, they should be investigated, but he is not in any way a hero. He is sick and needs help. And the worst part is that he will never get it, because the LAPD will shoot him on sight no matter what he's doing, even if it's waving a white flag.

This is a tragedy, not a meme. Don't try to turn it into one.


I get what you're saying, and I agree.  But Batman had to be at least a little crazy.  Anyone who would wear a costume and run around at night beating up criminals isn't exactly normal.
 
2013-02-09 11:19:51 PM

Marcus Aurelius: He's trained military, so nothing you hear that's filtered via the media can be taken at face value.  But only a fatalist writes a manifesto and then goes on a serious rampage.  He's already switched to at least one backup vehicle, so he has a plan.


And he's had four years to set it up. God knows how many hidey holes he has.
 
2013-02-09 11:19:53 PM
Because some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with  Some men just want to watch the LAPD burn.
 
2013-02-09 11:20:32 PM

kombat_unit: Why do farkers call police, when they are the epitome of evil?


Because summoning demons to unleash upon my enemies requires ingredients I don't always have handy.
 
2013-02-09 11:21:27 PM

PsiChick: Girion47: PsiChick: Alonjar: [img853.imageshack.us image 606x481]

...The fark? No. Dorner is  not Batman,  he is possibly schizophrenic and certainly mentally ill. He needs to be put in a nice padded cell, not turned into a farking martyr.

Yes, he saw some very bad things while on duty, and yes, they should be investigated, but he is not in any way a hero. He is sick and needs help. And the worst part is that he will never get it, because the LAPD will shoot him on sight no matter what he's doing, even if it's waving a white flag.

This is a tragedy, not a meme. Don't try to turn it into one.

That's a lot of speculation you got goin on there.  Man, everyone could just post a 22 page document online, you could diagnose them, and single-handedly end the psychology field.

amazing.

He's  shooting people and his manifesto displays multiple textbook, as in  literally in Psych textbooks, signs of mental illness. In what universe would you say there is any reasonable likelihood he's  sane?


 You have absolutely no farking clue what you're talking about. There is absolute nothing textbook about his writings. They're coherent, grammatically correct, relatively tangential. Flight of ideals? Nope. Word Salad? Nope. Bit of paranoia? Well yeah, because the farking LAPD did ruin him. Under psychological duress? Sure. Psychotic? No, just no. Go play internet psychologist elsewhere.
 
2013-02-09 11:21:51 PM
I remember the time I got arrested for being drunk in public in my own home after the cops hit my girlfriend. Apparantly our late night non physical argument warranted this.

/It's the bad 90 percent of cops who ruin it for the rest of them.
//Absolute power corrupts absolutely.
///Poor guy.
 
2013-02-09 11:24:24 PM
SURRENDER YOUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS, PEOPLE


/Only law enforcement can be trusted with power
 
2013-02-09 11:24:56 PM
Prove to me that he's sane?  I don't think that how diagnoses are usually handed out.
 
2013-02-09 11:27:12 PM
media.thedenverchannel.com

African American?

Bullshiat.

Looks more like a Red Man to me.
 
2013-02-09 11:28:11 PM

PanicMan: PsiChick: Alonjar: [img853.imageshack.us image 606x481]

...The fark? No. Dorner is  not Batman,  he is possibly schizophrenic and certainly mentally ill. He needs to be put in a nice padded cell, not turned into a farking martyr.

Yes, he saw some very bad things while on duty, and yes, they should be investigated, but he is not in any way a hero. He is sick and needs help. And the worst part is that he will never get it, because the LAPD will shoot him on sight no matter what he's doing, even if it's waving a white flag.

This is a tragedy, not a meme. Don't try to turn it into one.

I get what you're saying, and I agree.  But Batman had to be at least a little crazy.  Anyone who would wear a costume and run around at night beating up criminals isn't exactly normal.


People that get into a disguise and beat citizens up to rob them are far more normal.
 
2013-02-09 11:29:58 PM
HA!

www.ttellc.net

Tiffany is a good friend of my ex wife. I'm not even a little surprised. DPD is full of crooked, violent cops. There's a graffiti of the ex during the DNC (she's on the left, 99078). The pic's date is incorrect.

www.ttellc.net
 
2013-02-09 11:31:53 PM
Denver cops suck. Dorner is going to make for some interesting news. Should have left the families out of it.
 
2013-02-09 11:32:46 PM

Popcorn Johnny: They won't be charged with civil rights violations.



"Civil rights", you say?

What is this thing you speak of?
 
2013-02-09 11:33:55 PM

Amos Quito: SURRENDER YOUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS, PEOPLE

/Only law enforcement can be trusted with power


The LAPD sees you second amendment and raises you the second largest non-military army in the world.

The air support division is especially interesting.
 
2013-02-09 11:35:09 PM
Perhaps he should have opted for this option...

i60.photobucket.com
www.calledtoyouthministry.com
 
2013-02-09 11:38:14 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Amos Quito: SURRENDER YOUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS, PEOPLE

/Only law enforcement can be trusted with power

The LAPD sees you second amendment and raises you the second largest non-military army in the world.

The air support division is especially interesting.


Uhhhh, NYPD is 34k, about 2x as big as LAPD.
 
2013-02-09 11:38:21 PM

Bender The Offender: PsiChick: Girion47: PsiChick: Alonjar: [img853.imageshack.us image 606x481]

...The fark? No. Dorner is  not Batman,  he is possibly schizophrenic and certainly mentally ill. He needs to be put in a nice padded cell, not turned into a farking martyr.

Yes, he saw some very bad things while on duty, and yes, they should be investigated, but he is not in any way a hero. He is sick and needs help. And the worst part is that he will never get it, because the LAPD will shoot him on sight no matter what he's doing, even if it's waving a white flag.

This is a tragedy, not a meme. Don't try to turn it into one.

That's a lot of speculation you got goin on there.  Man, everyone could just post a 22 page document online, you could diagnose them, and single-handedly end the psychology field.

amazing.

He's  shooting people and his manifesto displays multiple textbook, as in  literally in Psych textbooks, signs of mental illness. In what universe would you say there is any reasonable likelihood he's  sane?

 You have absolutely no farking clue what you're talking about. There is absolute nothing textbook about his writings. They're coherent, grammatically correct, relatively tangential. Flight of ideals? Nope. Word Salad? Nope. Bit of paranoia? Well yeah, because the farking LAPD did ruin him. Under psychological duress? Sure. Psychotic? No, just no. Go play internet psychologist elsewhere.


They are  not coherent. They show signs of being extremely illogical, jumping from topic to topic, constant shifting of blame (for example, when he talks about being spanked in school for starting fights), and a martyr complex. He's certainly very lucid, but he is not by any means a sane person, especially taking into account that his idea of a good solution to all of these problems is to  kill people. That's not just 'under psychological duress', that's actual, legitimate mental illness. Did you read the entire thing? His first few paragraphs would seem pretty logical until he starts skipping around randomly, that's when the other stuff starts showing up.

PanicMan: I get what you're saying, and I agree.  But Batman had to be at least a little crazy.  Anyone who would wear a costume and run around at night beating up criminals isn't exactly normal.


Oh, sure, sure. But Batman's usually logical, can stay on topic, and has a reasonable sense of who deserves what blame. Also, fictional character, so we don't actually need to treat him like a person.
 
2013-02-09 11:40:30 PM

doglover: Not quite. Even a crazy clock is right sometimes. That doesn't mean it's logical, just that jumping to enough conclusions is accuracy by volume. The LAPD probably is a pile of shiat just like he claimed in his little diatribe. But you can't judge that by him because he's reaching that conclusion from Crazytown and is thus unreliable.


How do you know it wasn't his experiences that brought him to crazytown?
Some people don't react well when they figure out things they held to be true turn out to be lies.

Never mind that Serpico thing from decades ago either.
 
2013-02-09 11:41:28 PM

Sgygus: $795,000 settlement

so there is that.

/Denver cops are not a good bunch.


I lived in Denver for 30 years and had several "interactions" with cops.  They were very professional and courteous.

/And so was I.
 
2013-02-09 11:48:17 PM
PsiChick:

Oh, sure, sure. But Batman's usually logical, can stay on topic, and has a reasonable sense of who deserves what blame. Also, fictional character, so we don't actually need to treat him like a person.



He also wore his jockey shorts over his leotard.
 
2013-02-09 11:51:54 PM
This wasn't a boating accident!
 
2013-02-09 11:53:03 PM

Marcus Aurelius: MNguy: Marcus Aurelius:
/cops taking liberties with justice are exactly like state store workers stealing booze

Makes perfect sense.  Can I try?

/cops taking liberties with justice is exactly like schoolteachers stealing pencils

Only if they stick the pencils up their students orifii.  We're talking felonies here.


"Orifii/?"  Please tell me you were joking.
 
2013-02-09 11:53:44 PM

PsiChick: Bender The Offender: PsiChick: Girion47: PsiChick: Alonjar: [img853.imageshack.us image 606x481]

...The fark? No. Dorner is  not Batman,  he is possibly schizophrenic and certainly mentally ill. He needs to be put in a nice padded cell, not turned into a farking martyr.

Yes, he saw some very bad things while on duty, and yes, they should be investigated, but he is not in any way a hero. He is sick and needs help. And the worst part is that he will never get it, because the LAPD will shoot him on sight no matter what he's doing, even if it's waving a white flag.

This is a tragedy, not a meme. Don't try to turn it into one.

That's a lot of speculation you got goin on there.  Man, everyone could just post a 22 page document online, you could diagnose them, and single-handedly end the psychology field.

amazing.

He's  shooting people and his manifesto displays multiple textbook, as in  literally in Psych textbooks, signs of mental illness. In what universe would you say there is any reasonable likelihood he's  sane?

 You have absolutely no farking clue what you're talking about. There is absolute nothing textbook about his writings. They're coherent, grammatically correct, relatively tangential. Flight of ideals? Nope. Word Salad? Nope. Bit of paranoia? Well yeah, because the farking LAPD did ruin him. Under psychological duress? Sure. Psychotic? No, just no. Go play internet psychologist elsewhere.

They are  not coherent. They show signs of being extremely illogical, jumping from topic to topic, constant shifting of blame (for example, when he talks about being spanked in school for starting fights), and a martyr complex. He's certainly very lucid, but he is not by any means a sane person, especially taking into account that his idea of a good solution to all of these problems is to  kill people. That's not just 'under psychological duress', that's actual, legitimate mental illness. Did you read the entire thing? His first few paragraphs would seem pretty logica ...


You're a dumbass. His writings are way more lucid than the average Farker and whatever deficiencies you're trying to hone in on are those of someone who has been pushed to the edge and doesn't plan to come back. They don't exactly triple check their farking work.

I don't support his actions but he's behaving in a manner not unlike many other 'heroes' we've had in the past, just with a different context being deployed around him. That kind of shiat show happened with every. single. farking. person. who has ever stood up or taken things "to the next level" throughout history.
 
2013-02-09 11:54:43 PM

Azlefty: Marcus Aurelius: The brown countries in this picture are the only places that have a death penalty for everyday crimes:

America is a barbaric country, no two ways about it.

So premeditated murder is a "everyday crime?" How "barbarian."


40-50 people are murdered in the USA every day.  Some of them are surely premeditated.  So yes, by definition premeditated murder is an "everyday crime".
 
2013-02-09 11:55:17 PM

Popcorn Johnny: They won't be charged with civil rights violations.


or anything else, apparently. Just doin' their jobs.
 
2013-02-09 11:56:30 PM
I actually worked with his father for a couple of years. One of the cops mentioned has been involved in multiple beatings but is still on the force.
 
2013-02-09 11:56:35 PM

Marcus Aurelius: Amos Quito: SURRENDER YOUR SECOND AMENDMENT RIGHTS, PEOPLE

/Only law enforcement can be trusted with power

The LAPD sees you second amendment and raises you the second largest non-military army in the world.

The air support division is especially interesting.



Yeah, right. The Mighty LAPD.

I don't know about you, but I've been watching a bunch of pantywaist PUSSIES shiatting their Blue Britches from Mexico to San Francisco because there is ONE ARMED GUY (allegedly) gunning for these EASILY IDENTIFIABLE targets over the past few days.

Imagine what they'd be doing if half the farking population was itching to get them in their sights. They'd be shedding their uniforms faster than a Tijuana whore.

Yeah, we're talking anarchy here. I don't want it, you don't want it, but that's what happens when the abuse of POWER reaches a breaking point.

/Unless the populace is disarmed
//Then we just take it
///Like good little serfs
 
2013-02-10 12:00:43 AM
Randy Murr?  Promoted to Corporal?

Randy Murr?  Really?

Good Jorb, Chief White, you miserable corrupt dime-a-dozen cops-before-civvies c*ntstain.  I suppose Devin Sparks is now Chief of Internal Affairs?

That sociopath felon should should be in prison, not cruisin' in MY police cars on MY GODDAMN streets on MY F*CKING PAYROLL.

It took TWO YEARS to fire that completely unprofessional sadistic thug Randy Murr after he was caught red-handed on POLICE video beating the sh*t out of a kid for the non-crime of talking to his Sheriff's Deputy father on his phone while Murr's buddies were beating the sh*t out of the kid's friend, (when his cop buddies saw what was going down, they kinda sorta panned the camera off to the side for a bit - just eyes wanderin', looking at the stars and such)  after which he and his partner blatently LIED in their reports.  Two years to fire them for blindingly-obvious purjury and conspiracy.

Then, of course, then-Officer Murr and his pal got quietly re-hired, didn't they?

That piece of sh*t is on MY goddam payroll.

Go f*ck yourself, Mayor Hancock, you assh*le.
Die in a hail of gunfire, Chief White, you utter enemy of your citizen employers.
 
2013-02-10 12:00:45 AM

Amos Quito: /Unless the populace is disarmed
//Then we just take it
///Like good little serfs


Only people who've never taken Chemistry think you need a gun.
 
2013-02-10 12:01:01 AM
Oh, Jesus Christ.  Another thread where you idiots treat an unstable nutter like he's the goddamn batman.
 
2013-02-10 12:02:28 AM
Dash-cam was conveniently broken?
 
2013-02-10 12:03:03 AM

BSABSVR: Oh, Jesus Christ.  Another thread where you idiots treat an unstable nutter like he's the goddamn batman.


At some point the people start betting on Ben Richards to win.
 
2013-02-10 12:03:19 AM

Marcus Aurelius: kombat_unit: Why do farkers call police, when they are the epitome of evil?

The only times I've ever called the cops was to get documentation for an insurance claim.  They're good for that.


Not really. Last year a dude skidded out and hit my car, which was parked in front of my house. farked it up in the back a little, but the damage wasn't major. Called the cops because you need a police report to establish liability. A cop finally came around and said that for something this minor ($3000 in damages, busted bumper, dented trunk) they don't file reports anymore, just get his insurance info and deal with it. I'm like, uh, gee thanks for nothing. Yeah, and so it took about a month of pulling teeth to finally get the insurance company to pay the fark up. The cops were basically worthless in that situation. They get my money just the same.
 
2013-02-10 12:03:42 AM

Gyrfalcon: OK, I had to read that three times to see what was happening here. There will be no FEDERAL charges, but the cops and the city lost the civil suit. Which makes more sense, and the last line of the article had it wrong.

Conspiracy to violate civil rights, as opposed to just beating the crap out of someone, can be a tough nut to prove. But the guy did win the beating case.


Yeah, but key word: civil case.  Those cops should all be brought up on assault charges and locked up for the next 10-20 years of their lives.  But they won't, because cops are never brought to justice for their crimes, except at the barrel of a gun.
 
2013-02-10 12:03:57 AM

stuffy: Dash-cam was conveniently broken?


Or it wasn't and the evidence on it proved insufficient to charge the cops with civil rights violations.
 
2013-02-10 12:05:10 AM

BuckTurgidson: Randy Murr?  Promoted to Corporal?

Randy Murr?  Really?

Good Jorb, Chief White, you miserable corrupt dime-a-dozen cops-before-civvies c*ntstain.  I suppose Devin Sparks is now Chief of Internal Affairs?

That sociopath felon should should be in prison, not cruisin' in MY police cars on MY GODDAMN streets on MY F*CKING PAYROLL.

It took TWO YEARS to fire that completely unprofessional sadistic thug Randy Murr after he was caught red-handed on POLICE video beating the sh*t out of a kid for the non-crime of talking to his Sheriff's Deputy father on his phone while Murr's buddies were beating the sh*t out of the kid's friend, (when his cop buddies saw what was going down, they kinda sorta panned the camera off to the side for a bit - just eyes wanderin', looking at the stars and such)  after which he and his partner blatently LIED in their reports.  Two years to fire them for blindingly-obvious purjury and conspiracy.

Then, of course, then-Officer Murr and his pal got quietly re-hired, didn't they?

That piece of sh*t is on MY goddam payroll.

Go f*ck yourself, Mayor Hancock, you assh*le.
Die in a hail of gunfire, Chief White, you utter enemy of your citizen employers.


In the police force, the shiat rises to the top.
 
2013-02-10 12:07:27 AM
Effin A.

I've seen dead guys in better condition than that kid.
 
2013-02-10 12:09:45 AM
Have vid cams installed, with the new stereo, in the vehicle.

Still, expect grief:   http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/31/3161.asp
 
2013-02-10 12:13:09 AM

lolpix: Amos Quito: /Unless the populace is disarmed
//Then we just take it
///Like good little serfs

Only people who've never taken Chemistry think you need a gun.



Don't EVEN go there.

Just be grateful that most intelligent people weigh the costs, and because they ARE intelligent, decide that it isn't worth the effort.

But should (god forbid) these folks decide that they have nothing to lose, times might just get interesting.
 
2013-02-10 12:15:04 AM

Dr.Zom: Dorner's no hero and his justifications went out the window when he killed Monica Quan and her fiance. If he'd stuck to corrupt cops I might have some sympathy for him.

Denver cops are notorious assholes. So are Portland's (Oregon).


This, in spades.

He killed a girl and her fiance, and then he shot two cops (killing one) from a city totally unrelated to his complaint. The dead cop and the other officer were from Riverside PD and had exactly zero to do with Dorner's being fired from the LAPD. Their only connection was driving up in a black&white and wearing blue uniforms.

Sorry, however anyone wants to try to justify this, and no matter how bad LAPD is--and it's gotten pretty bad, oddly enough, since one of Gates's boys assumed the helm--killing three people who have NOTHING to do with your situation does not win you points in my book.
 
2013-02-10 12:17:27 AM

BSABSVR: Oh, Jesus Christ.  Another thread where you idiots treat an unstable nutter like he's the goddamn batman.



Which nutter?

I suggest that we make the President the Commander In Chief of all Police Forces.

And you'll agree.

Until they elect a REPUBLICAN to that office.

Then you'll shiat your pretty pink panties, won't you, BSABSVR?
 
2013-02-10 12:19:47 AM

BSABSVR: Oh, Jesus Christ.  Another thread where you idiots treat an unstable nutter like he's the goddamn batman.


Batman was an unstable nutter.
 
2013-02-10 12:20:56 AM

Bender The Offender: You have absolutely no farking clue what you're talking about. There is absolute nothing textbook about his writings. They're coherent, grammatically correct, relatively tangential.


Bender The Offender: Go play internet psychologist elsewhere.


Hi!  Popcorn's great, as usual, but just a few things.  For Bender, coherent, grammatically correct, relatively tangential writings are, in many cases, the definition of textbook.  Much of this sh*t comes across as relatively sane, and any psychologist/psychiatrist will tell you as much.  Hell, anyone who's paid attention in a basic psych class and/or life in general will tell you as much.  As far as the internet shrink comment, hell, fark lets you in.  Certainly anyone can play, no?

No further comments on LA, as I haven't moved past the cited comments (and I'm just here for because fark), but cops be f*cked sometimes, anywhere and everywhere.  Common knowledge, I know, but can't trust 'em.  Bore repeating.
 
2013-02-10 12:22:08 AM

Gyrfalcon: Dr.Zom: Dorner's no hero and his justifications went out the window when he killed Monica Quan and her fiance. If he'd stuck to corrupt cops I might have some sympathy for him.

Denver cops are notorious assholes. So are Portland's (Oregon).

This, in spades.

He killed a girl and her fiance, and then he shot two cops (killing one) from a city totally unrelated to his complaint. The dead cop and the other officer were from Riverside PD and had exactly zero to do with Dorner's being fired from the LAPD. Their only connection was driving up in a black&white and wearing blue uniforms.


And Saddam Hussein was behind 9-11 and had WMD's
 
2013-02-10 12:24:25 AM

PsiChick: He's certainly very lucid, but he is not by any means a sane person


You don't seem to grasp that sane, and insane, are legal terms, not medical ones. Sane is simply does he know right from wrong. He is very, very sane.
 
2013-02-10 12:24:48 AM
This is why civilians need 30 round magazines.
 
2013-02-10 12:24:53 AM

BSABSVR: Oh, Jesus Christ.  Another thread where you idiots treat an unstable nutter like he's the goddamn batman.


But the goddamn Batman was an unstable nutter, wasn't he?  Mentally broken whack-jobs can still still be forces of good even if completely by accident.
 
2013-02-10 12:27:01 AM
Did he give a bad 3-day forecast?
 
2013-02-10 12:28:31 AM

doglover: LessO2: It's stuff like this that makes Dorner's words about the police look more and more credible.

Not quite. Even a crazy clock is right sometimes. That doesn't mean it's logical, just that jumping to enough conclusions is accuracy by volume. The LAPD probably is a pile of shiat just like he claimed in his little diatribe. But you can't judge that by him because he's reaching that conclusion from Crazytown and is thus unreliable.

However, the fact that they lit up two different wrong trucks looking for him like a coupla real life Barney Fifes shows they're weak and womanly (in the pejorative viking sense that was actually illegal to use) and they probably shouldn't be police officers at all. Also just look at LA. Apparently it's covered in graffiti and the cops won't come to your house to arrest a drunken driver who has just crashed his truck into it. They will not hesitate to pull you over for not having two license plates, though. This is if Adam Carola is to be believed. He is not crazy and his other observations are sound.

That is the rub. The Crazy Man is correct that the department is awful. However that doesn't mean his reasoning to get there is sound. You can't take his word for it. However, look at the LAPD's actions and look at the hubris that lets an obviously unfair system with a huge bias towards the rich parade around the term "Justice System" as though they even know the meaning of the word. Then draw your own conclusions. Do they measure up or are they just another street gang?


Kinda sounds like a manic depressive when you read his stuff, like it was written in small bits on different days and put together without any separation so it sounds illogical, and he did say he was suffering from depression and that people would say what you are saying!

The cops are the biggest street gang!
 
2013-02-10 12:28:39 AM

daveinsurgent: His writings are way more lucid than the average Farker


Okay, you got me.  I got it now.

/Yes, I'm a sucker, blah blah
//*bows, queen wave, etc.*
///three
 
2013-02-10 12:29:31 AM
Don't beat me!
logat.files.wordpress.com
 
2013-02-10 12:33:20 AM

lolpix: BSABSVR: Oh, Jesus Christ.  Another thread where you idiots treat an unstable nutter like he's the goddamn batman.

Batman was an unstable nutter.


Ding
 
2013-02-10 12:33:43 AM

coco ebert: Sgygus: $795,000 settlement

so there is that.

/Denver cops are not a good bunch.

That probably covered maybe half the hospital bills.


And the rest went to the lawyers!
 
2013-02-10 12:39:41 AM

Amos Quito: Gyrfalcon: Dr.Zom: Dorner's no hero and his justifications went out the window when he killed Monica Quan and her fiance. If he'd stuck to corrupt cops I might have some sympathy for him.

Denver cops are notorious assholes. So are Portland's (Oregon).

This, in spades.

He killed a girl and her fiance, and then he shot two cops (killing one) from a city totally unrelated to his complaint. The dead cop and the other officer were from Riverside PD and had exactly zero to do with Dorner's being fired from the LAPD. Their only connection was driving up in a black&white and wearing blue uniforms.

And Saddam Hussein was behind 9-11 and had WMD's


What? Dorner DIDN'T kill those three people? It was all just a big misunderstanding and he's really really sorry? Or you think the LAPD did it to frame him for a three-year old minor corruption charge that was "going to blow the lid off LAPD"? (Never mind the witnesses) That's unusually paranoid even for you.

No, I know the LAPD is pretty bad, but I seriously doubt a cop who'd been in for a couple of years and got canned for reporting his partner for beating a retarded guy had  acquired so much intel on the top brass that they're so scared of him they'd resort to murdering two innocent people and one of their own to cover it up. If that were true, then it would have to be true that Saddam Hussein really WAS behind 9/11.
 
2013-02-10 12:43:21 AM

Amos Quito: BSABSVR: Oh, Jesus Christ.  Another thread where you idiots treat an unstable nutter like he's the goddamn batman.


Which nutter?

I suggest that we make the President the Commander In Chief of all Police Forces.

And you'll agree.

Until they elect a REPUBLICAN to that office.

Then you'll shiat your pretty pink panties, won't you, BSABSVR?


and here....we...go.
 
2013-02-10 12:47:11 AM

Marcus Aurelius: sseye: Marcus Aurelius: doglover: Every sensible country also has a death penalty

/backs away slowly

What? Iran, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, and China are the bee's knees.

The brown countries in this picture are the only places that have a death penalty for everyday crimes:



America is a barbaric country, no two ways about it.


Reporter: Tell me, Mr. Gandhi, what do you think of western civilization?


Mr. Gandhi: I think it would be a good idea.
 
2013-02-10 12:54:34 AM
stiletto_the_wise:

Awesome.

Yet, next election season, the winner will always be the guy who shouts the loudest, "OOGABOOGABOOGA! CRIME!! MOAR POLICE!! MOAR ENFORCEMENT!! TARF ON CRIME!! HURRRRRR!"


Wealthy people who can afford lawyers, wealthier means better lawyers, like the status quo, as long as the cops are protecting them at everyone else s expense!
 
2013-02-10 12:56:21 AM
CSB

In 2008, I requested to do a "ride-along" with the Denver Police because I was thinking about getting out the Army and interested in law enforcement, figured Denver would be a nice place to start my post-Army career. After the shift, I remember an overwhelming feeling these were some shady mofo's and they were obviously holding back when responding to calls because I was there.

/CSB
 
2013-02-10 01:01:01 AM

Marcus Aurelius: MNguy: Marcus Aurelius:
/cops taking liberties with justice are exactly like state store workers stealing booze

Makes perfect sense.  Can I try?

/cops taking liberties with justice is exactly like schoolteachers stealing pencils

Only if they stick the pencils up their students orifii.  We're talking felonies here.


Seems like I heard that state store employees are retired/disabled/disgraced state police!!!
 
2013-02-10 01:03:53 AM

daveinsurgent: You're a dumbass. His writings are way more lucid than the average Farker and whatever deficiencies you're trying to hone in on are those of someone who has been pushed to the edge and doesn't plan to come back. They don't exactly triple check their farking work.

I don't support his actions but he's behaving in a manner not unlike many other 'heroes' we've had in the past, just with a different context being deployed around him. That kind of shiat show happened with every. single. farking. person. who has ever stood up or taken things "to the next level" throughout history.


Really.Shall we take a look, then? I'm using the copy found here, and here's what I'm seeing:

First, I'm not seeing significant trauma. I'm seeing a lot of events that suck ass, but not something an average person would be traumatized by, and I'm also seeing a solid support system and a man who knows he's innocent. So your 'pushed to the edge' theory doesn't really hold water; someone who's emotionally strong enough to want to be a police officer is not going to be traumatized by losing their job, especially if they know they're innocent (personal outlook on events is one of the biggest indicators of whether or not the event will be traumatic; the best indicator is a feeling of helplessness, which our friend does not display at any point). Now, that's not to say this isn't clearly his breaking point, but given that there is not a  typically traumatic event here, and that he clearly has other issues, that indicates that he's experiencing something beyond direct trauma. Something's farking with his brain.

Second, starting with the paragraph where our friend discusses being labeled a 'bully', he starts using very strange speech patterns. It really looks like someone else is writing. Skip down a paragraph to where he talks about being spanked as a child, and you see the same strange speech patterns. When you go down a bit farther, starting with the paragraph where he says "Luckily I don't have to live everyday like the rest of you", it continues, and on and off down the entire manifesto.  It's like reading a transcript of someone who's talking normally suddenly talking very quickly and in fractured sentences and thoughts, and the rest of this has read like a professional report until now. That's a very clear indicator that the person writing is not capable of maintaining their train of thought. Once you get past his very long hero-in-a-video-game spiel, he goes back to it with a rant on the Assault Weapons Ban\Obama. He starts switching between addressing specific people to ranting at others. At one point he skips from talking to his friends to talk about  how much he'll hate missing The Hangover III and shark week.

Third, this guy has  extreme anger issues. To start with, he admits to trying to  strangle a fellow officer for saying the n-word, as well as being honestly confused that he was spanked for punching another boy as a child and sympathizing with an elderly lady who hosed down her tenants. He occasionally throws in a furious sentence at the people he's talking about, or makes comments like "your day has come". Get past the AWB\Obama spiel, and it's pretty clear he's also holding a grudge against hismiddle school principal.

Fourth, let's look at this sentence: "Self Preservation is no longer important to me. I do not fear death as I died long ago on 1/2/09. I was told by my mother that sometimes bad things happen to good people. I refuse to accept that. " Now, this is something I'd expect to see from someone who was in a war zone or was raped, not someone who lost his job, which I did cover first--it really looks like something is altering his perceptions.

Fifth, he goes on to start talking like he basically thinks he's the hero in a video game. That's a pretty classic symptom of any delusional disorder. And this goes on for a looooong time. That's probably the clearest symptom besides the anger, mixed with some of that traumatic talking I mentioned. Here's a great example: "Whatever pre-planned responses you have established for a scenario like me, shelve it. Whatever contingency plan you have, shelve it. Whatever tertiary plan you've created, shelve it. I am a walking exigent circumstance with no OFF or reset button. " Seriously, I would write this for a fictional character and then delete it because it sounds too much like the Black Veil Brides song I'm listening to. He goes back to it repeatedly.

Sixth, he mentions previously having extreme depression right before this. Comorbidity rates correlate highly with prior disorders--in English, once something goes screwy there's a  huge chance of something  else going screwy.

Look, I don't care if you think this guy's a hero, it's your life and your role models, whatever. But he's showing symptoms of being batshiat insane. Crazy people can be heroes if you like, but that doesn't mean they aren't farking crazy.
 
2013-02-10 01:06:49 AM

NightOwl2255: PsiChick: He's certainly very lucid, but he is not by any means a sane person

You don't seem to grasp that sane, and insane, are legal terms, not medical ones. Sane is simply does he know right from wrong. He is very, very sane.


Fine, then, to use medical terms, he's symptomatic for anger issues, depression, delusions, and illogical thinking. Happier?
 
2013-02-10 01:11:26 AM

BarkingUnicorn: Sgygus: $795,000 settlement

so there is that.

/Denver cops are not a good bunch.

I lived in Denver for 30 years and had several "interactions" with cops.  They were very professional and courteous.

/And so was I.


Did you question their authority in any way and where you white at the time of these "interactions"?
 
2013-02-10 01:12:49 AM

Gyrfalcon: Amos Quito: Gyrfalcon: Dr.Zom: Dorner's no hero and his justifications went out the window when he killed Monica Quan and her fiance. If he'd stuck to corrupt cops I might have some sympathy for him.

Denver cops are notorious assholes. So are Portland's (Oregon).

This, in spades.

He killed a girl and her fiance, and then he shot two cops (killing one) from a city totally unrelated to his complaint. The dead cop and the other officer were from Riverside PD and had exactly zero to do with Dorner's being fired from the LAPD. Their only connection was driving up in a black&white and wearing blue uniforms.

And Saddam Hussein was behind 9-11 and had WMD's

What? Dorner DIDN'T kill those three people?



Personally, I'm big on the whole "innocent until proven" thing.

Given his "manifesto", the murder of the BB coach and fiance looks pretty damn damning (unconscionable,BTW), but the "ambush" of the cops? Not so sure.

We can however feel comfortable in blaming Dorner for the cops shooting up the newspaper deliverers and the dude (and chick?) in the black truck - i mean, after all, if HE (or whoever) hadn't made the cops SO paranoid and SO trigger happy, they'd all be at home watching the Disney Channel right now.

No?

Gyrfalcon: No, I know the LAPD is pretty bad, but I seriously doubt a cop who'd been in for a couple of years and got canned for reporting his partner for beating a retarded guy had acquired so much intel on the top brass that they're so scared of him they'd resort to murdering two innocent people and one of their own to cover it up. If that were true, then it would have to be true that Saddam Hussein really WAS behind 9/11.



No, it would have to be true that Saddam Hussein really WASN'T behind 9/11, and that we wasted 10 years, 100,000 + lives and bankrupted the nation for nothing.

Oh, wait...

This is getting to be MUCH too difficult to follow. I think I'm going to shift gears here. Henceforth, I shall believe whatever I am told to believe by whoever has the most firepower - until they tell me to believe otherwise.

Life's just simpler that way.


/GO TEAM!
 
2013-02-10 01:16:52 AM
DENVER - A 23-year-old man who was beaten by three Denver police officers after he questioned their authority to search the trunk of his car

Cops and criminals are the same people and live by the same code and see the world through the same prescriptions lenses.

Cops can get away with it.  And as long as we buy into barking tough guy bullsh*t at each other and not demanding better, they're gonna.

Welcome to being the meat in a criminal "justice" system industry sandwich.
 
2013-02-10 01:21:29 AM
NightOwl# : Legal terms such as "sane" and "insane" will be up for discussion when this matter reaches a court of law, and after the suspect has been evaluated by a professional.  All bets are off until then, there, Cochise.
 
2013-02-10 01:23:02 AM
we see this happen every single day because as the police are the vanguard of the justice system, and as such they will always be immune from all but a miniscule percentage of the incredibly egregious attacks they commit upon innocent civilians daily.
this is because prosecutors have a profound interest in maintaining their symbiotic relationships with law enforcement.

the only other avenue for deterrence is through civil lawsuits. unfortunately a side effect of the very important doctrine of sovereign immunity is an almost unaccountable police force. even the civil rights act in 42 U.S.C. § 1983 only allows relief if someone's civil rights have been violated, which is a very tough standard for plaintiffs to meet. what makes it almost toothless in deterring aberrant behavior by our LEOs is most jurisdictions have passed laws to indemnify the cops for even these very difficult to prove violations.

this behavior will never end until our individual state passes laws allowing civil suits against police officers personally for negligent/wilful misconduct and prohibit the indemnification of officers that behave recklessly or maliciously.

until the legislators of our respective states put these morally bankrupt officers' homes, their automobiles, and especially their pensions on the line in civil actions these rouge officers will continue to brutalize society with an impunity that would make and iraq war merc blush. as a practical matter, they are immune from the rules which govern of society.
above all else, your local police union is the ultimate enemy of law and order in america.
 
2013-02-10 01:27:25 AM

Marcus Aurelius: America is a barbaric country, no two ways about it.


How? It's a state issue.
 
2013-02-10 01:31:00 AM
Deliver brutal beatdown to small woman, get probation. Anyone but a cop would have done time for that. "Self defense". Piece of garbage.
 
2013-02-10 01:32:43 AM

PsiChick: Fine, then, to use medical terms, he's symptomatic for anger issues, depression, delusions, and illogical thinking. Happier?


None of which would be mitigating factors. All a court is concerened about is did he know right from wrong when he committed the acts. So far, all evidence is that he clearly did know what he was doing was wrong (illegal).
 
2013-02-10 01:45:13 AM
i3.mirror.co.uk


U MAD BRO?


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He mad.
 
2013-02-10 01:46:12 AM

Repo Man: Deliver brutal beatdown to small woman, get probation. Anyone but a cop would have done time for that. "Self defense". Piece of garbage.


the most important piece of this is if there wasn't video, she would have been the one spending six months in jail. if they had control of sole custody of the evidence there is a good chance it never sees the light of day.

people who abuse this incredible privilege, this legal monopoly on violence so that they may maintain order and protect us, should spend 25 years in jail. 25 years without parole.
I can't think of anything more wicked and deleterious. your local politician embezzling a million dollars from the state orphanage doesn't hold a candle to what that sick f*ck did in that video.
 
ecl
2013-02-10 02:25:54 AM

eggrolls: So the going rate for three pigs to beat the living shiat out of you is 795k and knowing they will be out there gunning for you possibly forever.

Got it.


FTFY
 
Xai
2013-02-10 03:07:59 AM
You have to love the US system, basically the local taxpayers pay $800k and the police beat the shiat out of anyone they like.
 
2013-02-10 03:11:46 AM

NightOwl2255: wrong (illegal).


In the world of the human mind, wrong and illegal are often seperate entities.  For that matter, in the legal court system, wrong and illegal are often seperate entities.
 
2013-02-10 04:23:06 AM

kombat_unit: Why do farkers call police, when they are the epitome of evil?


We don't call the police. We don't make a peace bond. We don't trust in the judicial system, we shoot guns. We rely on the streets, we do battle in the hood. I was born in the G Code, it's embedded in my blood.

/Seriously though, I only call the police names.
 
2013-02-10 04:23:54 AM
Kill them. Kill them all.
 
2013-02-10 04:49:33 AM
The fark? No. Dorner is  not Batman,  he is possibly schizophrenic and certainly mentally ill. He needs to be put in a nice padded cell, not turned into a farking martyr.

Since when are murderers automatically labelled as schizophrenic and "certainly mentally ill".
 
2013-02-10 05:04:58 AM
And next election, every Farker who is foaming at the mouth about how cops are allowed to get away with this kind of shiat will vote for politicians who will do absolutely nothing about it.
 
2013-02-10 05:41:49 AM
I will repeat what I've said many times before.  Any cop who fails to report corruption by a fellow cop is, by definition, a corrupt cop. The way things have played out in Los Angeles shows that the entire police force is rotten to the core.
 
2013-02-10 06:11:37 AM

PsiChick: Girion47: PsiChick: Alonjar: [img853.imageshack.us image 606x481]

...The fark? No. Dorner is  not Batman,  he is possibly schizophrenic and certainly mentally ill. He needs to be put in a nice padded cell, not turned into a farking martyr.

Yes, he saw some very bad things while on duty, and yes, they should be investigated, but he is not in any way a hero. He is sick and needs help. And the worst part is that he will never get it, because the LAPD will shoot him on sight no matter what he's doing, even if it's waving a white flag.

This is a tragedy, not a meme. Don't try to turn it into one.

That's a lot of speculation you got goin on there.  Man, everyone could just post a 22 page document online, you could diagnose them, and single-handedly end the psychology field.

amazing.

He's  shooting people and his manifesto displays multiple textbook, as in  literally in Psych textbooks, signs of mental illness. In what universe would you say there is any reasonable likelihood he's  sane?




*gasp* he's shooting people? Why didnt I get the memo!

Humans kill other humans to influence the world around them for as long as we have been a species... even OUR OWN COUNTRY kills millions of people all over the world to this day.... and then PsiChick comes along and claims it "isnt normal."

Our culture embraces shows and movies which favor vigilante justice, we practically beg to see Jack Bauer break laws and fark people up in the name of righteousness, we make heroes of men who sacrifice themselves to fight The Evil Corrupt System.... resorting to "fighting the good fight" is as American as apple pie... then one of our citizens accepts this as a righteous thing to do.... "Must be insane".

This man is dying for YOUR rights... even if he does plan to break a few eggs in order to make the omelet.

Sic semper tyrannis is not a new concept.

The saddest part of the whole thing is that the only thing that actually makes him abnormal is the fact that he is a true believer. He was fed the Good Guys vs Bad Guys propaganda his entire life, and ate it hook line and sinker. He thought he would be GI Joe, Captain America, Superman... and then when the reality of the world jumped up and hit him in the face, he couldnt take it.. he was so aghast at the injustice he saw, that he felt he must take extreme actions to fix the world.

I find it to be both inspiring and incredibly depressing.

He isnt a hero. He's an antihero.
 
2013-02-10 06:31:58 AM

PsiChick: Really.Shall we take a look, then? I'm using the copy found here, and here's what I'm seeing:




For the record, all that AWB crap and movie comments were not in the original manifesto. Someone lifted all that stuff off random facebook postings he made, then stuck it in there. Thats why his speech patterns change.. they are different writings from different times/events.

There are several different versions of the manifesto going around, all of them seemingly edited in some way or another.
 
2013-02-10 07:33:37 AM

BSABSVR: Oh, Jesus Christ.  Another thread where you idiots treat an unstable nutter like he's the goddamn batman.


i don't think anyone called you the Batman (yet)
 
2013-02-10 08:28:08 AM

Weaver95: lesson learned - don't be black in Denver.  got it.  thanks guys!


So I should avoid Denver at all costs is what you're saying.
 
2013-02-10 09:44:45 AM

Serious Black: Weaver95: lesson learned - don't be black in Denver.  got it.  thanks guys!

So I should avoid Denver at all costs is what you're saying.


Seriously
 
2013-02-10 09:45:09 AM
Look, there is something you farkers don't undertand. These heros put their lives on the line for us every day. They don't know who you are. You can be some punk who'd pop them in the head with a .45 over a speeding ticket. Or just because they like to see cops bleed. These brave men and women are out there on the streets making sure we can live a normal life. You watch your partner get shot in the mouth because he was 'nice' to a suspect and let 5 seconds of complacency be the reason his wife is a widow and his kids are now orphans. You watch that and tell me why cops should let their guard down just because someone 'hasn't done anything wrong yet'.

Cops are trained to react, not to think. You don't have time to think when someone suddenly reaches behind their back. You have a split second to decide if you need to stand there like a dumbass and take what's coming next, or to clear leather and drop the perp. This is why civilians need to follow an officer's directions at all times. You need to let them know you arn't a threat, and you do that by complying with everythign they say, and show you have nothing to hide by consenting to their reasonable searches. The cops only care about stopping bad people from harming you, and by allowing him to seach your car or belongings, you let him know you are not a bad person. If you are an asshole, the cops will treat you like one. If handing out an occasional thunk to the head helps remind people to behave, then so be it. It's no different from your parents spanking you as a kid. They didn't do it to be mean, they did it so you'd learn something and be better for it. If a bruised occipital lobe reminds you to be compliant  for the next cop, something that will only serve to benifit you anyways, then so be it.

You farkers need to get over your cop hate.
 
2013-02-10 09:50:41 AM

kombat_unit: Why do farkers call police, when they are the epitome of evil?


Never called the cops myself. People in my community have something called "responsibility". Perhaps you've heard of that. Also, I've never, ever been in a position where I could say "I'm sure glad there was a cop around.", and I challenge you to honestly contradict that. And even if you're one of the very few who can legitimately say that they are grateful for a LEO's help, balance that against the atrocities that these self-serving cowards commit on a daily basis.
 
2013-02-10 10:17:36 AM

trentrockport: . Also, I've never, ever been in a position where I could say "I'm sure glad there was a cop around.", and I challenge you to honestly contradict that.


How could anyone contradict your personal experience?  Are you farking retarded, or just an idiot?
 
gja [TotalFark]
2013-02-10 10:24:12 AM

MythDragon: Look, there is something you farkers don't undertand. These heros put their lives on the line for us every day. They don't know who you are. You can be some punk who'd pop them in the head with a .45 over a speeding ticket. Or just because they like to see cops bleed. These brave men and women are out there on the streets making sure we can live a normal life. You watch your partner get shot in the mouth because he was 'nice' to a suspect and let 5 seconds of complacency be the reason his wife is a widow and his kids are now orphans. You watch that and tell me why cops should let their guard down just because someone 'hasn't done anything wrong yet'.

Cops are trained to react, not to think. You don't have time to think when someone suddenly reaches behind their back. You have a split second to decide if you need to stand there like a dumbass and take what's coming next, or to clear leather and drop the perp. This is why civilians need to follow an officer's directions at all times. You need to let them know you arn't a threat, and you do that by complying with everythign they say, and show you have nothing to hide by consenting to their reasonable searches. The cops only care about stopping bad people from harming you, and by allowing him to seach your car or belongings, you let him know you are not a bad person. If you are an asshole, the cops will treat you like one. If handing out an occasional thunk to the head helps remind people to behave, then so be it. It's no different from your parents spanking you as a kid. They didn't do it to be mean, they did it so you'd learn something and be better for it. If a bruised occipital lobe reminds you to be compliant  for the next cop, something that will only serve to benifit you anyways, then so be it.

You farkers need to get over your cop hate.


WOW

9/10

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2013-02-10 10:39:04 AM

MNguy: trentrockport: . Also, I've never, ever been in a position where I could say "I'm sure glad there was a cop around.", and I challenge you to honestly contradict that.

How could anyone contradict your personal experience?  Are you farking retarded, or just an idiot?


Okay, fair catch. I obviously meant "Can you, yourself, honestly say that you've ever been glad there was a cop around?". Way to go on the name calling. I'm impressed.
 
2013-02-10 10:39:35 AM

MythDragon: Look, there is something you farkers don't undertand. These heros put their lives on the line for us every day. They don't know who you are. You can be some punk who'd pop them in the head with a .45 over a speeding ticket. Or just because they like to see cops bleed. These brave men and women are out there on the streets making sure we can live a normal life. You watch your partner get shot in the mouth because he was 'nice' to a suspect and let 5 seconds of complacency be the reason his wife is a widow and his kids are now orphans. You watch that and tell me why cops should let their guard down just because someone 'hasn't done anything wrong yet'.

Cops are trained to react, not to think. You don't have time to think when someone suddenly reaches behind their back. You have a split second to decide if you need to stand there like a dumbass and take what's coming next, or to clear leather and drop the perp. This is why civilians need to follow an officer's directions at all times. You need to let them know you arn't a threat, and you do that by complying with everythign they say, and show you have nothing to hide by consenting to their reasonable searches. The cops only care about stopping bad people from harming you, and by allowing him to seach your car or belongings, you let him know you are not a bad person. If you are an asshole, the cops will treat you like one. If handing out an occasional thunk to the head helps remind people to behave, then so be it. It's no different from your parents spanking you as a kid. They didn't do it to be mean, they did it so you'd learn something and be better for it. If a bruised occipital lobe reminds you to be compliant  for the next cop, something that will only serve to benifit you anyways, then so be it.

You farkers need to get over your cop hate.



This is all well in good, but it's the cops' apparent overzealousness to go for deadly force or physically roughing someone up over minor issues that peeves a lot of people. They have plenty of non-lethal force at their disposal: tasers, beanbag rounds, pepper spray, etc. Sure, if someone is coming at them with a weapon they should react in the strongest way possible, but these instances where they work themselves into a frenzy and perform Rodney King style beat-ups over somebody mouthing off is unacceptable. The recent bullet-riddling of the elderly ladies' truck in Torrance and another in Redondo the same day shows how trigger-happy they are. Sgt. Tackleberry was a funny guy in "Police Academy," but he's no police role model.

It's too bad that things had to get as far as Dorner's murder spree, but there are serious issues in the police forces around the country that desperately need to be fixed. The Rampart/Rodney King cops needed to be fired, and definitely did not deserve promotions! The blue wall of silence must be broken. Dorner is a looney, but his credibility on the problems in the LAPD was upheld last night, when the LAPD announced that they were going to re-investigate all allegations of misconduct, including the new allegations brought forth in Dorner's manifesto.
 
2013-02-10 10:45:22 AM

gja: WOW

9/10

Thank you.

I put some effort into that one.
 
2013-02-10 10:50:56 AM

trentrockport: MNguy: trentrockport: . Also, I've never, ever been in a position where I could say "I'm sure glad there was a cop around.", and I challenge you to honestly contradict that.

How could anyone contradict your personal experience?  Are you farking retarded, or just an idiot?

Okay, fair catch. I obviously meant "Can you, yourself, honestly say that you've ever been glad there was a cop around?". Way to go on the name calling. I'm impressed.


Obviously.  And, yes, I can say I've been happy to have a cop nearby.

/sorry about the name-calling, I need coffee
 
2013-02-10 11:42:35 AM

ecl: eggrolls: So the going rate for three pigs to beat the living shiat out of you is 795k and knowing they will be out there gunning for you possibly forever.

Got it.

FTFY


I humbly accept your correction, and thank you for your wisdom, sensei. You are absolutely correct.
 
2013-02-10 12:58:41 PM
 What you don't know of Denver story -

1. The current administration is so corrupt Satan excommunicated them. The Mayor's office down to the Chief of POlice has pissed on the rank and file for over a decade and a half. Recently demoted all detectives back to uniform and chose their own detectives willy-nilly. Rank and file so PO'd in many instances simply no longer respond to calls.

2. This trend began when the rumored #1 drug kingpin in Colorado was elected Mayor; had his employee (an illegal alien bus boy at one of his restaurants) attempt to murder the two top detectives investigating the drug network. One cop survived being shot point blank  and has never uttered a word since. The other died. The illegal alien, without any visible means of support escaped a five state APB including federal task forces and got back to Mexico. One of the rare instances where Mexico agreed to extradition.

3. This kind of corrupted administration, corrupt upper echelon and corrupt Party Officials (it's a One Party Town - D) led to a widespread hiring binge of unqualified patrol candidates and has enraged retired PDs like nothing else ever has.

The head of the snake corrupts the whole body.
 
2013-02-10 01:20:20 PM

PsiChick: He's shooting people and his manifesto displays multiple textbook, as in literally in Psych textbooks, signs of mental illness.


He's shooting people? Unlike the LAPD, who never shoots innocent people.

latimesblogs.latimes.com
msnbcmedia.msn.com

I'm not even going to get into the "textbook, as in literally in Psych textbooks" signs of mental illness the cops show on a daily basis.
 
2013-02-10 01:21:35 PM

HempHead: As the vehicle approached the house, officers unloaded a barrage of bullets into the back of the truck. When the shooting stopped, they quickly realized their mistake. The truck was not a Nissan Titan, but a Toyota Tacoma. The color wasn't gray, but aqua blue. And it wasn't Dorner inside the truck, but a woman and her mother delivering copies of the Los Angeles Times.

LATimes



The funny thing is, this is obviously bullshiat, because they shot the BACK of the truck, so it wasn't "approaching" at all.
 
ecl
2013-02-10 01:23:37 PM

MythDragon: gja: WOW

9/10
Thank you.

I put some effort into that one.


It was pretty good, yet didn't address the non-lethal abuse issues which are what most of us have suffered from so when you ended with the stop cop hate part I knew it was a troll.  It was still pretty good.
 
2013-02-10 02:31:29 PM

NightOwl2255: PsiChick: Fine, then, to use medical terms, he's symptomatic for anger issues, depression, delusions, and illogical thinking. Happier?

None of which would be mitigating factors. All a court is concerened about is did he know right from wrong when he committed the acts. So far, all evidence is that he clearly did know what he was doing was wrong (illegal).


A) Actually, every time he's been disciplined in any way for aggressive outbursts, he's shown a clear lack of understanding that he was in the wrong. Which indicates legal insanity, especially given the other potential symptoms.

B) This isn't a court. We're allowed to say 'holy fark that guy is nuts' even if the court wouldn't, especially since the courts generally don't care if someone was sane or not even in the legal sense (my mother once told me about a case where a man who was convinced aliens were following him shot at some cops and got an insane sentence because...apparently you know you're shooting at a cop when your brain is telling you it's an alien now).

Maus III: The fark? No. Dorner is  not Batman,  he is possibly schizophrenic and certainly mentally ill. He needs to be put in a nice padded cell, not turned into a farking martyr.

Since when are murderers automatically labelled as schizophrenic and "certainly mentally ill".


Oh, look, you didn't read his manifesto or any post besides that one I made, did you.

/I went over it in detail, go farking read it, that took me almost an hour to comb through and try to put all the symptoms in order.

Alonjar: *gasp* he's shooting people? Why didnt I get the memo!

Humans kill other humans to influence the world around them for as long as we have been a species... even OUR OWN COUNTRY kills millions of people all over the world to this day.... and then PsiChick comes along and claims it "isnt normal."

Our culture embraces shows and movies which favor vigilante justice, we practically beg to see Jack Bauer break laws and fark people up in the name of righteousness, we make heroes of men who sacrifice themselves to fight The Evil Corrupt System.... resorting to "fighting the good fight" is as American as apple pie... then one of our citizens accepts this as a righteous thing to do.... "Must be insane".

This man is dying for YOUR rights... even if he does plan to break a few eggs in order to make the omelet.

Sic semper tyrannis is not a new concept.

The saddest part of the whole thing is that the only thing that actually makes him abnormal is the fact that he is a true believer. He was fed the Good Guys vs Bad Guys propaganda his entire life, and ate it hook line and sinker. He thought he would be GI Joe, Captain America, Superman... and then when the reality of the world jumped up and hit him in the face, he couldnt take it.. he was so aghast at the injustice he saw, that he felt he must take extreme actions to fix the world.

I find it to be both inspiring and incredibly depressing.

He isnt a hero. He's an antihero.


...Okay. Have fun with life. Let the rest of us know when you can see the world as something that isn't a cartoon.

Alonjar: For the record, all that AWB crap and movie comments were not in the original manifesto. Someone lifted all that stuff off random facebook postings he made, then stuck it in there. Thats why his speech patterns change.. they are different writings from different times/events.

There are several different versions of the manifesto going around, all of them seemingly edited in some way or another.


Can you link to the original manifesto? I have a hard time believing a Wordpress blogger would stick random FB posts in bizarre places. The LAPD, sure, but I'd still like to see a link to the original.

I should note that, if he wrote everything in it, I'm still not convinced he's not mentally ill, but it does change a bit of it. He  did write the AWB stuff\movie comments\disconnect in being disciplined for aggression issues, but what's posted on FB  is different from what you write in a manifesto. So that would move it from 'pretty damn sure' to 'maybe'.

fredklein: He's shooting people? Unlike the LAPD, who never shoots innocent people.
(pics)

I'm not even going to get into the "textbook, as in literally in Psych textbooks" signs of mental illness the cops show on a daily basis.


...Where the  fark did I defend the LAPD? Where? I did not farking do that because  they are farking corrupt and evil, although I doubt they are legitimately mentally ill (there is a difference between 'evil' and 'mental illness'). I am not farking defending the LAPD, and I hope that the vast majority of them are replaced by competent human beings.

That does not negate what Dorner wrote all over his farking manifesto.
 
2013-02-10 03:41:34 PM

MythDragon: Look, there is something you farkers don't undertand. These heros put their lives on the line for us every day. They don't know who you are. You can be some punk who'd pop them in the head with a .45 over a speeding ticket. Or just because they like to see cops bleed. These brave men and women are out there on the streets making sure we can live a normal life. You watch your partner get shot in the mouth because he was 'nice' to a suspect and let 5 seconds of complacency be the reason his wife is a widow and his kids are now orphans. You watch that and tell me why cops should let their guard down just because someone 'hasn't done anything wrong yet'.

Cops are trained to react, not to think. You don't have time to think when someone suddenly reaches behind their back. You have a split second to decide if you need to stand there like a dumbass and take what's coming next, or to clear leather and drop the perp. This is why civilians need to follow an officer's directions at all times. You need to let them know you arn't a threat, and you do that by complying with everythign they say, and show you have nothing to hide by consenting to their reasonable searches. The cops only care about stopping bad people from harming you, and by allowing him to seach your car or belongings, you let him know you are not a bad person. If you are an asshole, the cops will treat you like one. If handing out an occasional thunk to the head helps remind people to behave, then so be it. It's no different from your parents spanking you as a kid. They didn't do it to be mean, they did it so you'd learn something and be better for it. If a bruised occipital lobe reminds you to be compliant  for the next cop, something that will only serve to benifit you anyways, then so be it.

You farkers need to get over your cop hate.


0/10. Way too obvious.

But, OK, I'll bite.

Look, there is something you farkers don't undertand. These heros put their lives on the line for us every day.

Eating donuts isn't that dangerous.

They don't know who you are. You can be some punk who'd pop them in the head with a .45 over a speeding ticket.

Everybody has the right to fight for their freedom. Traffic laws are made more for revenue generation than for public safety, and killing someone who is trying to rob you is justifiable.

Or just because they like to see cops bleed.

OK, you have a point, there. In the movies, who doesn't cheer when the Nazi takes a bullet?

These brave men and women are out there on the streets making sure we can live a normal life.

Unless, of course, they kill or cripple us. Kinda hard to live a normal life then, eh?

You watch your partner get shot in the mouth because he was 'nice' to a suspect and let 5 seconds of complacency be the reason his wife is a widow and his kids are now orphans.

The reason his wife is a widow and his kids are orphans is because he decided to take a job that requires him to be America's enemy. I hate to Godwin the post twice, but nobody gives a shiat about the Nazi's wife or kids, either.

You watch that and tell me why cops should let their guard down just because someone 'hasn't done anything wrong yet'.

Someone's done something wrong, alright; someone became a cop. BTW, it's not the philosophy of police that I have a problem with; every society needs them. It's the fact that people take the job KNOWING that they will spend most of their time ticketing/arresting people who have committed victimless crimes. Victimless crimes are not compatible with a free society.

Cops are trained to react, not to think.

Lucky thing, since most of them aren't capable of thinking. These are, for the most part, people who flunked out of pizza college.

You don't have time to think when someone suddenly reaches behind their back. You have a split second to decide if you need to stand there like a dumbass and take what's coming next, or to clear leather and drop the perp.

In the vast majority of encounters, the cop IS the perp.

This is why civilians need to follow an officer's directions at all times. You need to let them know you arn't a threat, and you do that by complying with everythign they say...

Famous last words.

...and show you have nothing to hide by consenting to their reasonable searches.

The only searches that anybody should consent to are those performed under conditions where refusing to consent is not legally allowed. If a cop wants to search you, but doesn't have the legal authority to demand the search, tell him to go pound sand.

The cops only care about stopping bad people from harming you...

That's why you got 0/10. Cops not only don't give a shiat about you, but they know that the worst of the "bad people" are wearing badges, and they do nothing about it.

...and by allowing him to seach your car or belongings, you let him know you are not a bad person. If you are an asshole, the cops will treat you like one.

There's no law against being an asshole.

If handing out an occasional thunk to the head helps remind people to behave, then so be it.

Wait. I thought you were against assaulting cops. I'm confused.

It's no different from your parents spanking you as a kid. They didn't do it to be mean, they did it so you'd learn something and be better for it.

Cops never learn. To stop one from committing a crime against you, it is almost always necessary to kill him.
 
2013-02-10 04:19:55 PM

MythDragon: You watch your partner get shot in the mouth because he was 'nice' to a suspect and let 5 seconds of complacency be the reason his wife is a widow and his kids are now orphans


Fark, you disappoint me. How has no one picked up on this? If he still has a surviving wife, why would his kids be sent to an orphange?
 
2013-02-10 04:39:11 PM

PsiChick: ...Where the fark did I defend the LAPD?


By pointing out that one side in an argument is crazy, you kinda imply the other side isn't (else you would have said 'both sides are crazy').

In any case, I find it... interesting... that many of our fictional heroes are not that different than Dorner. Batman? Saw his parents killed in front of him, became a vigilante. Superman? Illegal alien (literally!), and vigilante. X-men? Vigilantes. In addition, there are countless movies and books where the protagonist faces off against criminals or even bad cops.

The only difference is that mostly, the fictional vigilantes don't shoot at cops* (or their families). Is that, then, the difference between 'good' vigilantes and 'bad' ones? Not really. In real life, people who defend themselves against criminals are often castigated for doing so- just look at many Fark threads.

All I know is, the Dorner story would certainly not have gotten this much attention if he had done nothing.

* in many, the bad cops are caught either by their fellows or by a 'higher' agency like the State Police or FBI. This... rarely happens in real life.
 
2013-02-10 04:48:23 PM

fredklein: PsiChick: ...Where the fark did I defend the LAPD?

By pointing out that one side in an argument is crazy, you kinda imply the other side isn't (else you would have said 'both sides are crazy').

In any case, I find it... interesting... that many of our fictional heroes are not that different than Dorner. Batman? Saw his parents killed in front of him, became a vigilante. Superman? Illegal alien (literally!), and vigilante. X-men? Vigilantes. In addition, there are countless movies and books where the protagonist faces off against criminals or even bad cops.

The only difference is that mostly, the fictional vigilantes don't shoot at cops* (or their families). Is that, then, the difference between 'good' vigilantes and 'bad' ones? Not really. In real life, people who defend themselves against criminals are often castigated for doing so- just look at many Fark threads.

All I know is, the Dorner story would certainly not have gotten this much attention if he had done nothing.

* in many, the bad cops are caught either by their fellows or by a 'higher' agency like the State Police or FBI. This... rarely happens in real life.


Um, in  every boobies I have on this topic, I  also point out that Dorner's allegations are probably 100% true. So thanks for not reading a word I've said, but even if I hadn't, life is not black and white. You do not imply the other side is crazy by saying one side is; that requires actively implying it, not just denying one without mentioning the other. If I say the Democrats are crazy, that does not mean I endorse the GOP, for example.

And the difference between fictional heroes and Dorner is that fictional heroes are  fiction. They can do things that people are not allowed to IRL. Because killing people is still wrong.
 
2013-02-10 08:03:19 PM

MythDragon: MythDragon: You watch your partner get shot in the mouth because he was 'nice' to a suspect and let 5 seconds of complacency be the reason his wife is a widow and his kids are now orphans

Fark, you disappoint me. How has no one picked up on this? If he still has a surviving wife, why would his kids be sent to an orphange?


Well i assume she would die of grief.
 
2013-02-11 05:42:02 PM

PsiChick: Because killing people is still wrong.


Not always.  To use the Texan phrase, "some people need killin'".

There is a huge difference between justifiable homocide and murder.
 
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