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(CBS New York)   Victim's family shocked that even though a gym is require to have defibrillator, and staff trained to use it, they don't actually have to use it   (newyork.cbslocal.com) divider line 13
    More: Stupid, Long Island, Jonathan Lippman, negligence, gyms, Appeals Court, automated external defibrillators  
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2013-02-09 09:09:54 PM  
4 votes:
FTFA: A doctor and medical student began cardio-pulmonary resuscitation, then paramedics arrived and shocked Miglino, but he died.

And that is why paramedics are no longer allowed to participate in "Wear Your Favorite Halloween Mask to Work Day".
2013-02-09 11:12:04 PM  
3 votes:

UsikFark: ZackDanger: OR

The guy had a pulse and respirations when the trainer first got there... but then deteriorated by the time the Doctor got next to him?

Maybe the doctor strangled him with a stethoscope just to be sure he didn't have a pulse.


Maybe the trainer accidentally checked the pulse on a guy lifting weights *next* to the victim... and then the doctor did CPR on a punching bag that was laying in the corner and THERE NEVER WAS A VICTIM.

The paramedics were just milk men.
2013-02-09 09:22:30 PM  
3 votes:

BronyMedic: Ed Finnerty: And that is why paramedics are no longer allowed to participate in "Wear Your Favorite Halloween Mask to Work Day".

Not all arrest rhythms are shockable, and are only able to be treated by identifying the reversable causes and correcting them as quickly as possible. Some of those you can reverse in the field, some of those you can't. Even shockable rhythms can turn into an irreversable asystole depending on how long the patient has been down, and what's going on with them to cause it in the first place.


I'm not questioning anything anyone did, or why. I would have no idea what to do in that situation. I just pictured the paramedics walking in with gorilla masks on and scaring the guy. I was much funnier in my head, I assure you.
2013-02-10 09:26:55 AM  
2 votes:
This is why you don't let rookie EMTs have shock paddles, they view the world like this:
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2013-02-09 10:57:32 PM  
2 votes:

Britney Spear's Speculum: And that's why the court should throw this case out.  It will do more harm than good if they rule that the club was negligible.


What a negligible club might look like:

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/it's negligent
2013-02-10 02:08:07 AM  
1 votes:

UsikFark: Ed Finnerty: FTFA: A doctor and medical student began cardio-pulmonary resuscitation, then paramedics arrived and shocked Miglino, but he died.

And that is why paramedics are no longer allowed to participate in "Wear Your Favorite Halloween Mask to Work Day".

Relevant:

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[The old man clutches his chest.]

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2013-02-10 12:14:47 AM  
1 votes:
AEDs at gyms give people a false sense of security, he said, because nowhere in the U.S. are they mandated to use them.

Defibrillators do not give me a false sense of security. There is nothing about a publicly available defibrillator that says "it's ok if I have a heart attack here." The only place I feel safe having a heart attack is in a bed in a hospital room with a cardiologist and surgeon in the room.
2013-02-09 11:17:54 PM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: ZackDanger: UsikFark: ZackDanger: OR

The guy had a pulse and respirations when the trainer first got there... but then deteriorated by the time the Doctor got next to him?

Maybe the doctor strangled him with a stethoscope just to be sure he didn't have a pulse.

Maybe the trainer accidentally checked the pulse on a guy lifting weights *next* to the victim... and then the doctor did CPR on a punching bag that was laying in the corner and THERE NEVER WAS A VICTIM.

The paramedics were just milk men.

Maybe, just maybe, the reverse vampires actually set this up to murder him!


Maybe there was this guy in the midwest who invented a car that runs on water... and then the government decided to silence him... and they framed the trainer for the murder. But he was going to talk... so the government had to kill that random guy in the gym, so the trainer would mistakenly not do CPR (the government implanted into the gym guy, unbeknownst to him, during his sleep, a device in his blood stream to mimic a pulse), and then the trainer would be found negligent and sent to jail, and then when he was in jail his cell mate, tripping on government supplied acid, would murder the trainer, and then that other jail guy would fry in the electric chair.

All wrapped up nicely.
2013-02-09 10:47:16 PM  
1 votes:
Maybe at that gym, full attempt to save your live in the case of an emergency is only for the platinum members.  Good thing he didn't have a basic membership, they would have just asked him to leave for blocking equipment.  For an extra $5 per month, in the state of emergency a hot trainer of your choice will freshen their breath before performing mouth to mouth and will continue until you ask them to stop.
2013-02-09 10:46:05 PM  
1 votes:

ltdanman44: vygramul: cretinbob: If he wasn't in a shockable rhythm, it wouldn't have mattered anyway.
AED's give a false sense of security.

They treat a very small subset of shockable rhythms to begin with.  Like fewer than 20% of them.

the automated external defibrillator  can determine this. it just needs to be hooked up to the patient, and they did not do this.


If it is so damned automated then why didnt it hook itself up to the dead dude?
2013-02-09 10:45:10 PM  
1 votes:

BronyMedic: QUICK! GO BOIL WATER! AND I NEED TOWELS. LOTS OF TOWELS!


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2013-02-09 10:41:53 PM  
1 votes:
How Dead Dave got his name: Years ago this supervisor at NJ Bell (Dave) treated everybody like shiat. One day Dave had a heart attack in his office right in front of a field tech. The tech said "oh well" and just left. A secretary found Dave near dead not long afterward and called an ambulance.

When Dead Dave came back to work he tried to get the tech fired. But there was nothing in the union handbook or the employee manual stating you had to call an ambulance or notify someone in such an emergency so the guy kept his job. And from that day on a certain dooshbag was forever known as Dead Dave.
2013-02-09 10:23:30 PM  
1 votes:

"...they aren't required to actually use them on a stricken patron, the state's highest court ruled Thursday."


For heaven's sake why not? As Farkers above have said, you can put the pads on a person and the defib won't shock the person unless it detects that the person needs it. And remembering my training, compression is very important, even more than breathing into the person's airway. You have to keep the blood moving and everything oxygenated or the person's brain is screwed.

The funniest part of the training is when they tell you that before pads are applied, you should quickly shave down any hairy chests and remove any body piercing on the victims including nipple piercings. Or else if a shock is applied it will just jump in between the piercings (at least that's how I remember the trainer explaining it).

 
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